Do you think the stock market will crash?

I wish Leon would jump out of a window but narcissists don't commit suicide.

The market has ALWAYS bounced back since the Great Depression, so yes. No one who is 8 years or more from retirement should worry. However, your immediate plans for a yacht, a Parisian pied-a-terre and a hung Dominican pool boy will have to be put on hold.

My favorite thing about Occupy Wall Street was during the financial crisis when they would stand there and hold up posters to the higher windows that read, JUMP, YOU FUCKERS.

The stockmarket is always incredibly skittish, but the US economy was literally the best in the world less than 100 days ago, so you'd think there'd be a fair way to go before real disaster could ensue. The licensed advisers I've heard on recent podcasts have been saying what's happening now is pretty much business as usual in terms of market figures (ie we get drops like this once every 5 years, and twice as bad once every 10 years). Any major transition, such as these tariffs (or the European Common Market when that was first established) will create worldwide economic chaos for a while, but while that equates to a few years of harm, it doesn't often equate to disaster.

If the combination of tariffs and global alliance shifts throws the world economy into a spiral things could get much worse, of course. It's unprecedented to see the world's largest economy shoot itself and its usual trading partners in both feet like this.

Make sure there's plenty of gold in your portfolio. It gains value when stocks drop, and even when they don't it still gives good returns, just not quite AS good as stocks. Buying physical gold is now easy through ETFs. It won't give you dividends, though.

Businessmen did not jump out of windows. That’s a legend that’s been built up over the years.

Eventually but slowly. It will take awhile for Trump damage to process.

NOT the hung Dominican pool boy R2!

Eventualy..

I sure hope not.

Too many unknowns. This is a most unsettling and unstable time. I do think a 2-3 year downturn or slump is likely. Hopefully not a historic crash.

Of course it will. There's a big recession on the way and even Trump himself is making noises about how there will be some difficult times.

Yes, the stock market will crash, especially if the GOP passes its planned $5 trillion tax cut for the rich. Within a year, the economy will tank as will the stock market

We took our retirement account out of the stock market in Jan 2025. It's now just cd's and treasury instruments. We are planning to move to Mexico soon. Our biggest concern now is US currency restrictions and outbound remittances (how do we get our $ out of the US before the USD is heavily devalued). When dictators, authoritarian regimes rule, they often place restrictions on currency. I can see trump maga doing this as well.

[quote]Trump himself is making noises

You sure those aren't just sharts you're hearing, r10?

R12. They’re all laughing at you.

Just convert it all to bitcoin and you’re on your way. Yea—that’s the ticket!

Yes I heard many wet and sloppy sharts too R13. But that's normal for Trump n'est pas?

r12, as ultra conservative (financially), elderly retirees, why would you think we would entertain bitcoin and other crypto ? I don't get the humor, if that is what was intended.

The humor lies in the steps you said you took making little or no financial sense, so you might as well go off the cliff.

No OP It's going to be a bumpy 3 months or more, but I've recently bought more stock as I did in March of 2020 and of July of 2008 both times when the market was down, and stocks were cheaper. And once again the market will eventually rise.

Stock market today: Wall Street rises after the Fed signals a move to keep longer-term rates lower

Well, the market is gonna be shit tomorrow cause the Fed didn’t lower the interest rate a bit. The only reason the market went up today and s because all the investors anticipated ole’ Greenspan was going to lower the rate a bit. Trump must be furious.

That comment makes no sense^

R19, ummm… have you traveled back in time about 20 years? Greenspan?

R20 Most of the people commenting on DL know nothing about the stock market or finances including the OP

The main reason the market hasn’t fallen more quickly is the vast majority of retirement savings in the U.S. is held in 401ks and what other option do those people have? Sure they could move it into other portfolios, but the investment advisors steer people away from that because the management fees are lower and it doesn’t make them they as much money.

[R20], Most of the people commenting on DL know nothing about the stock market or finances including R22.

Notice that this post has punctuation, the lack of which always warns people about a pompous poster's overreach on the subject at hand:

Oh, dear x 2.

but the stock market doesn't depend on punctuation dear

r17, buying low and selling at a high is not a good strategy? mmm, ok. I'll stick with the tried and true strategy of “Bulls make money, bears make money, and pigs get slaughtered”

I wrote no such thing. If that’s intended for me, you missed the mark—completely. ¡Buen viaje!…you’ll need it.

A crash to get a bailout?

This is the best video on why the current US administration wants a stock market crash.

Good ole Gary has a new video up.

It's natural to get spooked by a stock market correction like the one we're currently in the midst of. But it's also important to remember that market corrections are fairly common.

Since 1929, the S&P 500 index has fallen into correction territory 56 times, per a Reuters analysis of data from Yardeni Research. But here's some encouraging news — of those 56 corrections, only 22 became bear markets, defined as a drop of 20% or more from recent highs.

Even more importantly, the stock market has a strong history of recovering from corrections. Invesco says the average time for the market to recover from a decline of 5% to 10% is three months. For a drop of 10% to 20%, it's eight months. But either way, the market does tend to recoup losses like these over time and reward investors who stick with it.

Thank you, R30. I will be able to sleep a little more soundly tonight after reading your post. I appreciate the stats.

The US falling to facism is a black swan event.

Yeah, I'm more worried about the country crashing.

I've been investing quite a bit the last few weeks. Depends on your stomach for volatility I suppose.

I usually buy on the dips, but this feels different. I invest weekly, but have been diverting that to cash. Don’t try to catch a falling knife.

We haven’t seen the impact of tariffs, layoffs, government funding cuts, and a lot of the other treats in store.

I don think so. It has its daily ups and downs but ultimately it’s going to be relatively stable.

Also - Berkshire Hathaway stock has not been hit very hard so far under Trump. Warren Buffett saw this coming.

Not a crash but perhaps a longer term decline, with attendant peaks and valleys? There will be a correction, no doubt. The housing market alone would be a driver for correction, the price of housing is astoundingly high and overvalued.

Long term, it will always recover though.

It will always recover under a democracy.

What is this thing you call "democracy"?

[quote] What is this thing you call "democracy"?

It’s not witty or sage. It’s just cliche at this point. 🙄

I don’t know ANYONE is bringing up “market correction.” This stock market drop is due solely to the politics of Dump, Dump and Dump. It’s no market correction whatsoever.

R37 Berkshire-Hathaway’s A and B shares are up 17% since January, 27% over the past 12 months.

He’s sitting on cash.

I don't think it will crash brutally -- consider the "why" of all of this.

(1) the market has been overheated and a correction was due anyway, and

(2) Trump, and tariffs in particular. All it'll take to simmer that down is for Trump to fold on most or all of these stupid fight-picking tariffs and threats thereof. He's highly manipulable and inconstant.

The whole scenario feels to me more like a bumpy slumpy sideways/confused market for the next few years. Don't expect gains, but a 2008-2009 level wipeout doesn't look likely either.

The stock market has been overvalued for a long time. We’re likely to get a correction, especially. Given that the Administrations policies will hurt growth areas like hospitality and health care.

R12, if the USD is devalued, global currency will suffer. There will be no place on earth to hide from an economic catastrophe of that nature. Be prepared to sell your body for food and shelter.

R46 Shit. Most of us will starve.

R4 tell that to my dear Hulda

Tesla Inc NASDAQ: TSLA 246.71 USD▲ +10.45 (+4.42%) today

This will not gladden the heart of Butchy Walz

Why is Tesla up? WTF?

Maybe Trump will order a million Teslas for use as government cars. And maybe Musk will give him a 10% kickback? That seems right for these SCUMBAGS. In reality, stock prices fluctuate but Tesla’s trend is down. It may stabilize for awhile but the brand name is shit.

My husband and I are retiring in the next 3 months (we are 67 and 64), and moving to Europe this summer. We are intending to live mostly on Social Security. I've never really panicked about past downturns; my portfolio is low-medium risk now. I'm not going to adjust any of the allocations.

I think we are definitely in for a White House-inspired downturn -- likely similar to the one of 2008/09.

Much to the chagrin of Tampon Tim, no.

Stocks Recover Much Of Losses—Tesla Rebounds—As Wall Street Bets Trump's Reciprocal Tariffs Won’t Be So Bad⬆️⬆️⬆️

Copium injection. Reality will soon fuck it in the ass.

A booster shot is good news

TESLA INC TSLA: NASDAQ

Automobiles

$272.49+$23.78(+9.56%) Market open: 1:15:22 PM ET, 03/24/2025

Now it’s only down 30 percent year to date!

Yes, Debbie Downer we know and now is the time to buy more stock as I did last week/ Historically the market has always bounced back even from the Great Depression.

R57 "Historically the market has always bounced back even from the Great Depression."

That's true. The stock market in the United States lost 90% of its value from the peak of 1929 until the lowest point it reached in 1932. It's just that it took until 1954 (along with WW II and the Korean War) to regain its pre-crash value. That was an awfully slow "bounce" back. Not everyone has 25 years to wait.

It bounced back in only a few years after 2008 and2020. Currently it's already showing signs of recovery. And like so many other people I am invested for the long term. I have an IRA, CDs and a money market account, but their combined growth is negligible compared to the stock market which of course carries with it greater risk but the returns for me in the last 20 years have really paid off.

The question is, "who loses and who gains?" from this cycle. POTUS policies are a major influence on the fluctuations and he's likely keeping his buddies/masters in the know.

R59 Investors gain. During the first Trump presidency some of my stocks reached an all-time high in February of 2020 just before we shut down for the pandemic. And in February of 2021 my stock values increase. Historically the stock market has always fluctuated.

^^^ increased and increased in February of 2025 as well

R60 Smart investors gain. During the first Trump presidency some of my stocks reached an all-time high in February of 2020 just before we shut down for the pandemic. And in 2021 thanks to the vaccine makers Merck and Moderna my stock values increased.

[quote]It bounced back in only a few years after 2008 and2020. Currently it's already showing signs of recovery.

It's way too soon to call what's happening now a recovery. The market is basically nuts and reacts skittishly to everything that happens, so ups and downs within any given few weeks don't really matter.

The US is in such political chaos that it is not clear to anyone yet how serious the medium-to-long-term consequences will be in any given area of the administration, let alone economically. We also know that successive US governments failed to introduce most of the controls on the market (and on business) that the global financial crisis of 2008 indicated were required, so that we won't really know how Wild West it is out there until the wheels start to fall off properly again.

In no previous administration has the basic science that creates the IP for new technology 10-20 down the road been defunded en masse.

DL's "comfortable well off " financial mastermind checks WSJ for his inevitable windfall profits.

[Quote] Much to the chagrin of Tampon Tim,

Is that what passes for humor on Gab, frogface?

[quote] The stock market in the United States lost 90% of its value from the peak of 1929 until the lowest point it reached in 1932. It's just that it took until 1954 (along with WW II and the Korean War) to regain its pre-crash value. That was an awfully slow "bounce" back. Not everyone has 25 years to wait.

I haven’t vetted this article, but it addresses what I thought would be true, which is the DOW of this period was not representative of the market as a whole, so pointing out that the DOW didn’t recover until 1954 doesn’t reflect what many investors would have experienced. It also mentions about the effect of dividends on calculating when investors recovered their investment. We focus so much on stock price now, but there were big dividends back then that made up for slow stock price appreciation.

Down by a lot today. Too depressing to check the exact numbers.

not a great day for the stock market. Thanksalot to our fearless leader.

....

At least we won't be confused about pronouns anymore!

R2 is right. In '87, I lost a bunch. By the time Clinton was giving Lewinksi facials, I was back in the game and bigger than ever!

R73 And your stock portfolio was doing well, too.

So glad we got out of stock market (we are retired) back in Dec 2024 and Feb 2025 (we lucked out and soil at the high). We can consider (conservatively) getting back into to the markets when the smoke clears.

Pretty sure all the assholes in Trump’s inner circle and family invested in Gold before he went public.

[quote]we lucked out and soil at the high

Pics please.

I have soiled myself occasionally when high too.

I think all the money I made in the market last year is fast vanishing. Fuck you MAGA morons.

The grim view is that the market has not fully priced in the cost of Trump’s actions. Traders still believe that Trump will be talked out of the worst of it. I’m not sure of that.

I’m cashing out my portfolio, and purchasing an eightball of meth and a larger donged Puerto Rican hustler!

You're soaking in it.

A recession, yes. A crash, no.

I'm holding off retirement for another couple of years...

Trump is shorting America’s futures

Everyone needs to be like George Bailey when there was a run on the bank and the Building & Loan. Don’t panic.

I'm cashing out MY portfolio and treating myself to the fanciest dinner Little Caesar's can offer!

Jr says he's moved to Bitcoin. Tells ta all ya need to know bout daddy's plans.

Miss Dennis! Stockbroker call to say hello before he jump out of window!

[quote] There will be no place on earth to hide from an economic catastrophe of that nature. Be prepared to sell your body for food and shelter.

I'm ready!

I’m buying the dip (hopefully!!!)..

Better to go with those above who are buying the Bottom

Guys, please stock up on the everyday essentials that you need/use. And, try to postpone larger purchases or buy now.

I've bee doing that over the last month....

R4 - Revisionist fantasy.

Smart, R92.

Ok, R93.

“The image of vast numbers of investors jumping out of office windows simply did not occur.”

r93, let them think the guys jumped. You and I - we know different.

The Dow is down 4% today alone, and approximately double that since Jan 21 (the first full working day of the Trump 2.0 presidency).

R95 That's because they were shooting themselves in the head, or hanging themselves instead. How old are you, anyways? 14? I'm an old guy and knew a lot of people who lived through all of that.

Fifth-worst point drop for the Dow in history and the biggest drop since Trump's first term.

In a question about Thursday's stock market sell-off driven by tariffs, President Trump said "it's going very well."

So should I shift to higher risk stocks now?

How now, Dow Jones?

Doesn't anyone close to his fucker tell him the truth? Are they all afraid to piss him off?

Now he's saying the tariffs are open for negotiation.

It's chaos. Quelle surprise.

Hope so

It's never been a better time to have just been poor all along.

^^^^ there's a Buddhist parable along those lines

R103, if this wasn’t the right thing to do then why did he do it?

He’s a sociopath?

[Quote]It's never been a better time to have just been poor all along.

New Poor screams. Old Poor softly whimpers.

I think he is tanking the market deliberately so him and his cronies can buy in. Then when the market hits a low, he lifts the tariffs so those same cronies can sell. It's all one giant insider trading scam.

Who the fuck cares if the stock market crashes, it's just relative as they've been enjoying bloated returns for years.

Tariffs are a corporate tax, THAT'S WHY CORPORATIONS HATE THEM. I can't believe posters want us to cry over the stock market. I don't give a shit if investers lose some money, you're the problem. J

Just because Trump is doing this doesn't mean it's wrong. Let the POS do the one right thing in this shitshow of an administration.

Or maybe tariffs are VAT tax. Consumers wind up paying them.

R111 , are you special? Consumers will pay for the tariffs. Don’t worry about corporations, Trump promised to cut their taxes in the new tax bill.

I guess you have no savings or $ for retirement. Otherwise the market drop would affect you.

[quote]Who the fuck cares if the stock market crashes, it's just relative as they've been enjoying bloated returns for years.

On behalf of the millions of Americans about to lose their retirement funds, I sincerely hope you're one of the first sent to the guillotines.

[quote] I guess you have no savings or $ for retirement.

It's the opposite. I'm retired and have savings in FDIC products because I need the principal to be there. I don't put my life savings in a casino. Investors/gamblers want interest rates to go to zero which would mean interest on my savings will evaporate. Who's crying for me?

Voters like R111 are why the US is in this mess.

[quote] So should I shift to higher risk stocks now?

Be smarter and go in a certificate of deposit with some friends.

My right wing pals are SOOOOOO cranky these days

That scares me

Fox News is not showing the stock market ticker for the first time in 28 years.

A few days before your Orange Turd was inaugurated my financial advisor moved 80% of my retirement nest egg out of the stock market and into bonds and annuities. So now I'm a bit more calm as I watch everything go to shit so long as it doesn't affect my finances.

Burn, Baby burn!!

R120, unless you're a few years from retirement, your financial advisor is complete shit.

R107, the point of imposing tariffs was precisely to get other countries to renegotiate trade deals that he feels are not beneficial for the US.

That poster is an idiot, r114, but it's also idiotic to say people are going to lose their retirement funds.

[quote]Buying physical gold is now easy through ETFs.

Okay I just put all my money in a gold ETF! So when will they be delivering my physical gold to me??

[quote]I think all the money I made in the market last year is fast vanishing.

Did you sell? If so, it's not vanishing. I'd you didn't sell then you didn't "make" it.

I retired early at 55 seven years ago r121. I lost almost 6K from my 500k retirement nest egg in January. I've now regained that loss and then some, so I think my financial advisor knows what she's doing.

As someone who is a few years away from retirement I am quite pleased to have moved as much as I was allowed from the CREF to the TIAA side of my retirement account. And since I am still working and haven’t changed my aggressive automatic investment strategy for new money I am buying the dip. Although I expect this is the little dip before the big one, like on some roller coasters.

IF it doesn’t crash the economy, and, IF the rest of the world doesn’t link arms in united opposition, I suspect the White House tariff strategy goes something like this:

1. To select countries the WH will say “let’s make a deal.” (To China: “Junior Mint needs more hotel permits.” To Denmark: “You have a choice - we can trash your economy, or we can lower your tariff rate back to zero, [italic] provided[/italic] you drop any opposition to our taking Greenland.”)

2. To Republicans and oligarchs it’ll quietly say, “The plebes will be paying hundreds of billions dollars more, every year, in higher prices on virtually everything they buy. ALL the extra money they pay in increased tariffs goes to the Treasury. We can use/redistribute their cash to cover trillion dollar tax cuts for me and the wealthiest of my friends.”

Looks like another brutal day for the markets. Thank you President Trump.

The unemployment numbers come out this morning. Early signs were better than expected, but those often prove wrong.

S&P futures are down about 16% from their peak. The Russell 2000 is already in a bear market. Something wicked this way comes ...

Or, R128, the US finds out that countries can trade around the US. As a Canadian, I’d welcome better access to European markets, especially the auto sector. Maybe git some of them there Jhina lectric vee-hicles to replace that there Teslar.

Something wicked already came this way last November 5.

Sign of the times -

Now, not only will long time Tesla owners need apologetic bumper stickers, so will Americans traveling abroad.

Dow futures down 1,300 points, S&P and NASDAQ future both down more then 3%. The 10-year Treasury yield dropped over 17 basis points and the 2-year Treasury yield shed over 22 basis points.

Trump is golfing. All is well !!!!

He can't play a fiddle so it's going to be golf.

To be honest, r137, he can't play golf either.

[quote] Okay I just put all my money in a gold ETF! So when will they be delivering my physical gold to me??

4-6 weeks

Felt like this orange pos is just power-tripping. He could easily stop all this market chaos .It's basically like an insider trading within his cohorts.

The Naz and the Russell 2000 both now in bear markets. The S&P is about 2% away from it.

Look out below!

Repeating

CNBC:

The stock market is on track for its largest two day loss in value since the last time Trump was President.

[quote] Tariffs are a corporate tax, THAT'S WHY CORPORATIONS HATE THEM. I can't believe posters want us to cry over the stock market. I don't give a shit if investers lose some money, you're the problem. J

When the stock market collapses, 'investors' lose money. When 'investors' lose money, less money is available to grow businesses, provide services, pay wages, build communities and create jobs. A stock market collapse has immediate downstream impacts for non-investors. It is all connected -- it is not "them" and "us." If my employer's stock takes it hit, it must look elsewhere to replace that value for shareholders -- i.e. layoffs.

It’s fine it sends its love

Yes, and it's step one of the final last gasps of this country. But hey, at least we don't have a woman president and at least the voters that didn't vote because of Palestine can feel righteous as the entire thing collapses.

Dow down 2,000 points while Trump golfs.

[quote]Fox News is not showing the stock market ticker for the first time in 28 years.

Silly Librulz! Object permanence is a conspiracy.

R126, ok, so you're in retirement as opposed to a few years from retirement. Same difference. Why did your financial advisor lose almost 6K from your retirement nest egg in January?

Twitter now has a different take on Trump's mocking of Joe Biden:

[quote] They called him Sleepy Joe Biden because you could sleep peacefully knowing that your 401(k) wouldn't be shattered.

The fat fuck always tries this hoary old tactic. Set the house on fire, shut off the water supply, and sit on the telephone until everyone around you either caves or dies of smoke inhalation.

Instead of paying his bills, he lets them rot and go to collection or a lawsuit. Then he calls five sleazy attorneys to countersue the original creditor, and scares them into settling for a lower amount.

Instead of negotiating a real trade pact, or just leaving things alone, he enacts temporary tariffs that scare the fuck out of people until they're willing to eat ANY amount of shit to make it go away.

Trouble is, you can only do that once or twice before people get wise to the tactic and stop falling for it. Also, in a global economy, the US will suffer staggering economic losses for every day that this continues. He's burning down his own house.

Guess burning down his own house is what he meant by America First.

My 401k did quite well through the Biden years. Shifted the distributions to 25% stocks, 25% bonds and 50% money market in January. Still losing some money but glad I made the shift.

Our trade partners already resent U.S. dominance. They may not play ball.

That last time it was this bad was because of Covid. So Trump after 90 days has hurt the market as much as Covid!! What an amazing stable genius.

The world economic system has supported American interests because it was set up after World War II when most other countries were in shambles. The idiot Trump can’t understand this, but it will be very obvious when it is set up against American interests.

The Spectator Index:

For first time ever, the 🇺🇸 Dow Jones Industrial Average has fallen by over 1,500 points on two consecutive days.

[quote]Do you think the stock market will crash?

To answer your original question, OP, that ship has sailed.

Trump supporter and all around obnoxious guy Dave Portnoy says he lost 7 million today.

[quote] For first time ever, the 🇺🇸 Dow Jones Industrial Average has fallen by over 1,500 points on two consecutive days.

That’s a bigger record than Booker holding the Senate floor the longest.

[quote] Do you think the stock market will crash?

Has anyone termed today Orange Friday yet? If not, I claim it.

You have to look at it in percentage terms, not absolute points. The 87 crash and the Covid crash are both far larger, as single-day events.

In 1987, I worked on a system that required a stock index value at market close be entered manually each day. The system abended because there was a validity check that interpreted the entered value on the crash day as being a keying error since it was outside of the allowable delta.

That cunt voted for it, r158.

Fuck him, fuck his fefes and fuck his fucking stock portfolio!

Fuck his covfefes, too!

Could... will... is.

And Europe's response to the tariffs isn't even announced yet.

That will be the trigger for Monday's rout.

WINNING!

The question is not whether it'll come back, but how long will it take.

It took Japan's market 30 years to recover from the the crash in the 1990s. The Nikkei 225 index, Japan's benchmark stock market index, only surpassed its previous high, set in 1989, in February 2024, after 34 years

Some of us don't have that kind of time...

My portfolio is down about 20%. I'm heavily invested in tech stocks so I can leave a lot of money to animal charities. That fat fuck owes me.

[quote]My portfolio is down about 20%. I'm heavily invested in tech stocks so I can leave a lot of money to animal charities. That fat fuck owes me.

The only think that makes me smile is knowing that a lot of rethugs, tech bros, and corporate turncoats who went to bend the knee to him are suffering a LOT more than the pain the rest of us are feeling.

Amazon is down 10% since Monday - Hi Jeff.

R169 Bezo, Musk and most other billionaires have their money in hedge funds. The percentage of their loss is usually below 5%. It's the rest of us who get hurt.

[quote][R169] Bezo, Musk and most other billionaires have their money in hedge funds. The percentage of their loss is usually below 5%.

Yes and no.

A majority of Bezo's and Musk's wealth is tied directly to their companies' stock prices. Bezos still owns something like 8.5% of Amazon - market cap of $1.81 trillion - meaning that $150-ish billion of his net worth of $212 billion is Amazon.

It’s amazing how Musk is the #1 wealthiest person in the world now. He’s full of shit and people bought it.

Being impoverished and thrown into the streets are all that some will understand.

R168 I could have typed exactly what you said. Exactly. Including the animal charities.

In my case it's PETA (I know, I know, but I love them), Humane League, maybe Mercy for Animals, and various shelters around the country.

Yes. Drumpf et al are deliberately collapsing the economy for the benefit of the mega-rich ruling class, and as a means of stamping out dissent.

Love you both, R168 and R174

You give me hope.

I can’t believe millions of people were dumb enough to fall for this idiot twice. I used to think my view of humanity was too dark but it wasn’t dark enough

Well, the stock market is crashing. Stupid Americans strike again

Too many people don't want it to crash, and they too have influence. You see that with today's rally. I think the rest of 2025 is going to be messy and volatile and an overall downturn, but probably down 10% to 15% overall, not a 'Crash crash' like in late 2008 or March 2020.

Really depends on whether we have a recession. The average drawdown in recessions is about 30%, which would mean 4900 or so on the S&P.

Trump's buddies and favorite countries took a lot of money out of the stock market to help him crash it.

Trumps's buddies and favorite countries will put a lot of money back into the stock market to help make it seem like he's improving the economy.

^ nah, the markets are too big to manipulate that way

the market is crashing because the tariffs are undoing the globalization trend of the last 40 years and no knows if this will last or what the end product will look like

The market tried to rally but failed. Just more damage done by an idiot for no reason.

[quote]Too many people don't want it to crash, and they too have influence. You see that with today's rally.

You were saying?

Fun fact: most of the 1929 crash happened in the two years following Black Monday, where the markets lost 90% of their value.

Dow 4,300 here we come!!!

A lot of the volatility we’ve seen in the markets is an effect of high-volume electronic trading. Even in 2008, the volume of shares traded in millisecond time scale solely based on computer algorithms was not even in the same universe as today. When a magic number is reached unimaginable numbers of shares are dumped instantly by computers and are just as quickly bought back up when it dips to their preset buy commands. Human traders are just not that reliably fickle (an oxymoron?) getting in and out solely based on share price.

The bottoms, at least for now, seem to have been reached for gold and silver. They plummeted in the first couple of days of the downturn, but have stabilized and have hovered around 3000/oz and 30/oz gold/silver. The Asian trading days are them both recover as I think they generally see both as dependable hedges, while many novice and younger Western investors see them as antiquated relics. I don’t believe Bitcoin has found its perigee but is close. I think it will settle and flirt with 72/73000.

All of this goes out the window if Trump gets crazier or the Congress doesn’t find its balls and the tariffs are longterm. I predict metals will benefit from this and Bitcoin will suffer.

Which reminds me, I’ve always found it ridiculous on it face when the Trump/Musk administration scream at the tops of their lungs that American is going to become the world leader in crypto when they are both pump and dumping shitcoina left and right and Trump is openly using a his own crypto platform, World Liberty, to illegally take bribes of around $400,000,000 so far, if their self reported numbers are to be believed. Institutional investors and sovereign wealth funds are not generally fans of that type of wheeling and dealing, thus why India isn’t an economic power even approaching China.

I expect to retire in about 8 years. This will give me time for the markets to rally again when a Dem is President

[quote] I expect to retire in about 8 years. This will give me time for the markets to rally again when a Dem is President

What will you do if Vance or other Republican is elected in 2028?

[quote]All of this goes out the window if Trump gets crazier

So, all of this goes out the window.

Trump posted on Truth Social that “THIS IS A GREAT TIME TO BUY!!!” A few hours later, his tariff plans were on hold and markets immediately turned positive.

Yeah r182 the markets are too big to manipulate that way.

How is that market manipulation, r190?

[quote]A lot of the volatility we’ve seen in the markets is an effect of high-volume electronic trading. Even in 2008, the volume of shares traded in millisecond time scale solely based on computer algorithms was not even in the same universe as today.

R186, there's a fantastic novel by Robert Harris called The Fear Index about quant trading, inspired by the 2008 crash.

S&P futures down 2%. Here we go again...

I said yesterday to a friend, don’t be surprised if the market is down today. Dump didn’t fix the problem, he created incredible uncertainty with our economic allies. The roller coaster will continue until our allies see the issue as fixed and Dump stops dumping on nations like Canada and the EU.

^Just to correct myself, the EU is of course not a nation.

[quote] I said yesterday to a friend, don’t be surprised if the market is down today.

A few minutes ago a reporter asked me what I thought and how I would describe the rise and fall of Pepsicola stock. I told him it was one helluva ride!

I thought the Big Business oligarchy runs everything (according to DL)? This doesn't sound like what they want to me.

Nobody is going to trust the US again. No matter what lard assed yam, his idiots or anyone else says.

He’s unhinged, willing to crash the global economy in a fit of pique and has no fucking idea what he’s doing. Nor does he care.

Other countries will isolate us, cut us off then demand we pay off our debt while mad fat Donnie rants and golfs.

Thanks, maggots. We’re all fucked thanks to your stupidity, bigotry and myopic jingoism.

markets cratering again, while the 10-year has barely budged at 4.37% and gold is up to $3172 an oz

that's Miss Market rendering her 'no confidence' verdict on Tarifflandia

Yesterday, on news that the Orange Julius wasn’t going to immediately crater the economy, the stock market rose dramatically and 🦊 restored its ticker tape to its long held spot in the corner of its screen. (What a coinkydink!)

Today, Fox is delivering a feed from the WH where he is sitting with his cabinet crowing about his economic record and financial acumen. The DOW is down more than 1,000 points and, darn it, that ticker tape seems to have disappeared, again.

^^^^ ignore the meltdown and it will just go away

I’m looking forward to a recession. America deserves one

Markets in Asia are busy tonight dumping US treasury bonds and buying gold.

Capitalism is fun!

That is not good news, r203. I don’t remember a time in the recent past where that has happened. US treasury Bonds have always been the go-to in financial crises. This is making me very nervous.

Things will work themselves out.

Not necessarily in way that is good for anyone, r205. People who lived through the Depression or were victims of the 2008 collapse never recovered.

There is major market manipulation going on right now, this latest down turn is all because of Trump's tariffs and chaos. Since Trump is unpredictable no one can accurately predict what the stock market will do. With Biden you didn't have worry about him purposely sabotaging the market. Trump is also threatening war with Iran, that would make the markets go down. Trump could decide tomorrow to abandon tariffs, probably unlikely, but he might declare victory and go on to messing up something else.

However I think Trump doing things to purposely hurt the market, buy stocks when they go down and then undo the stuff that made the market go down and sell when stocks go up. We will never know because he doesn't release his taxes. He could also not be investing at all but letting other billionaires know what he is about to do, in return for a kickback of their profits. No one can really predict the market but when someone in power is manipulating it, who knows what will happen.

I always said I would never invest in Tesla because that is what Musk has done his whole life, he seems to purposely crash his stock but somehow he just keeps getting richer. Of course when you know what will happen next you can make good investments.

I see people above thinking there might be another crash like the great depression, that is unlikely unless Trump prevents safeguards from happening. Now the stock market can suspend trading for a time period or a day, the Fed can buy stocks to prop them up like they did in 2008. Government has tools to keep things from crashing too bad as long as Trump doesn't block them from using them. The economy is basically pretty strong there aren't economic conditions causing this, just Trump causing it. If Trump is determined to tank the market though, there is probably no stopping him.

r208 = Ursula Upper

It's a casino. I don't do casinos.

[quote] People who lived through the Depression or were victims of the 2008 collapse never recovered.

My grandmother survived the Depression and recovered and lived another fifty years. All of her kids went to college

[quote] Nobody is going to trust the US again.

Until they need 200 million in foreign aid

[quote]Until they need 200 million in foreign aid

Well played.

Beijing retaliates with 145% tariffs on US goods.

gold up another 2%, treasuries still selling off

It’s already crashed. The Trump recession is here.

R212 we aren’t doing foreign aid anymore.

[quote] gold up another 2%

Yes!

here's your answer OP

It is coming back. I’ve regained some dollars.

I’m back to where I was with my investments from when the assclown started with his trade wars.

The highest highs inevitably lead to the lowest lows. Especially when it sinks in that the Big Beautiful Bill will add $4 trillion to the national deficit.

the stock market is known to fluctuate and it rallied back after 2008, 2021 and March of this year when I wisely invested in more stocks 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼