19 year old twin brothers headed to Boston, found dead in Georgia mountains

[quote] According to the outlet, family members said the siblings booked a 7 a.m. flight to Boston on March 7 — 24 hours before they were discovered in an area that they believe Qaadir and Naazir had never visited before.

[quote] The plane tickets were found in their wallets, family members added.

[quote] “We want answers, we want to know exactly what happened to the twins,” Samira Brawner, the twins' aunt, told WXIA.

[quote] “They’re very protective of each other. They love each other,” their uncle, Rahim Brawner, added. “They’re like inseparable. I couldn’t imagine them hurting each other because I’ve never seen them get into a fistfight before.”

[quote] Samira said the location where the teens were located — roughly 90 miles away from Lawrenceville — was one they had "never even heard of."

[quote] “How did they end up out in the mountains? They don’t hike out there, they’ve never been out there,” she continued. “They don’t know anything about Hiawassee, Georgia, ... So how did they end up right there?”

[quote] A spokesperson for the GBI told PEOPLE on Sunday, March 16 that an autopsy is complete and official results are pending additional forensic tests.

"Murder suicide?"

That's very weird. I thought only lovers do that?

Maybe it was a case of "forbidden love."

Seems really odd

[Quote] The plane tickets were found in their wallets

Is this story from 1995? What plane tickets? Did they mean Apple Wallets? Did they mean boarding passes??

No doubt tired of having to explain how to spell Qaadir and Naazir.

"twins...both 19" - they would hardly be different ages, would they?

Was it the homosex?

[quote] Was it the homosex?

The brother on the right definitely has gayface.

Calling this a murder-suicide is weird, unless the police know something that we don't.

So they bought tickets to Boston, threw off their family, and went way out to the middle of nowhere to kill themselves.

“They love each other.” “Inseparable.” It does all sound like twincest gone tragic, but then I’m a Datalounger so who knows.

HI GEORGIA!

Qaadir and Naazir?

How strange- when I was on Reddit earlier today, there was a man who was part of identical twins who posted that his brother had committed suicide (at 58) and felt a part of him was lost. Other identical twins posted about their experiences losing their twin stated the same thing. I guess these twins couldn't abide living without each other.

[quote] I guess these twins couldn't abide living without each other.

But they didn't have to kill each other.

Why not just live with whatever it was that was bothering them, and deal with it?

Whatever it was that caused them to actually kill each other, must have been so forbidden, that they had to go to such an extreme to stop it.

That's why I'm leaning towards thinking that they were in love with each other.

Cute twin twinks rarely indulge in murder/suicide. You hardly ever hear about siblings in general killing each other. Something stinks about this case and it sounds like the cops called it a murder/suicide because they have nothing else to go on, or maybe they do and are gathering evidence. But being smalltown Georgia I'd bet on the former.

Bell Mountain is a very strange place. I've been up there before. Near the top there's a stairway up to a lookout platform on the top of the ridge. I can't fathom why they picked this place to do away with themselves if they didn't even know where Bell Mountain is. And it's not a place that's easy to find for someone who has no idea where to go. I have a feeling someone else was involved in this thing.

Damn -- just when I thought DL couldn't get any weirder...

Why should I care about this again?

[quote] Bell Mountain is a very strange place. I've been up there before. Near the top there's a stairway up to a lookout platform on the top of the ridge. I can't fathom why they picked this place to do away with themselves if they didn't even know where Bell Mountain is. And it's not a place that's easy to find for someone who has no idea where to go.

Wow, R14.

That's quite a beautiful place.

And very dramatic for a "Romeo and Juliet" type of ending.

Why am I hearing dueling banjos in my head when I read about this?

The family shouldn't just accept anything the "authorities" tell them without some pushback.

If they had BBC they could have made H U G E dollars on Fansonly. ⬛ 🍆

The gunshot wounds were only there to distract from the double autoerotic asphyxiation.

GASP

[quote] That's quite a beautiful place

If you can ignore all the graffiti.

Yes, literally every rock up there is heavily painted. It's turned into quite an art installation.

R17, I agree. It seems like a band of mountain men were involved. Or perhaps some online pervert led the twins astray. I don’t know if there was a note or not but one twin could have been forced at gunpoint to write a note.

What a creepy place to die. If they were going to be abducted and murdered I can't imagine the killer(s) dragging them both up to the top of a mountain in the middle of bumfuck nowhere.

Sadly I can see why they haven't ruled out murder suicide.

They could have been lured up to the mountain by a “photographer” or other pervy imposter. A number of young women have met their fate in this manner.

Cute kids.

I also don't buy the murder suicide angle. I'm not a detective, I just play one on DL, however.

I lost my twin (not my murder or suicide, though) and it devastated me

It's possible they didn't want their family to know they committed suicide, so they went to a remote location where they thought the bodies wouldn't be found. I've read about other cases where people committed suicide in remote locations, and the bodies weren't found for months or even years

Internet sleuths are on the case!

[quote] I lost my twin (not my murder or suicide, though) and it devastated me

As a twin R27, could you shed insight as to why they would both kill themselves at the same time?

I can see one of them perhaps wanting to do it, but BOTH? At the same time?

Does that seem right or "normal" to you?

NBC 11Alive report.

I am skeptical of murder/suicide, but will withhold judgment until more information comes to light.

R29, it's a weird case for sure...but they might have been so enmeshed that one wanted to commit suicide and the other was like "I can't live without him"

Why assume they both wanted it? One brother kills the other out of jealousy or rage, then offs himself because his life is fucked at that point.

I believe it was murder, but not suicide. I hope this gets investigated properly.

r29 "insight as to why they would both kill themselves at the same time?"

How on earth would a complete stranger have any insight?

I don't want to go back and read through the articles, but was anything said about finding a vehicle. They certainly didn't walk from metro Atlanta up to Bell Mountain.

You can drive to the top of Bell Mountain.

Cute kids. Sad bizarre story.

This was not a murder suicide.

Twincest, suicide pact or drug dealing gone wrong. VERY wrong.

Depressing how much racist commentary this has generated at various news sites.

Were they hitchhiking and got picked up? Did they drive? How did they get to the mountain? Did they have their phones? Many missing details.

I thought of the Marcus twins when I saw this. Stewart and Cyril. Gay Gynos. They committed suicide by overdose. They were older and twisted.

These boys are adorable. Twins usually have a balance mechanism that grounds their social behavior and provides an almost telepathic understanding. They don't look like drug addicts or psychopaths. Someone killed them.

Young Arabic men in rural Georgia with no history of violence suddenly turn up dead.

Lebanese born Brown University professor denied entry to US.

Yeah, nothing to see here.

[quote] I thought of the Marcus twins when I saw this. Stewart and Cyril. Gay Gynos. They committed suicide by overdose. They were older and twisted.

Were they the basis for the movie "Dead Ringers" with Jeremy Irons?

Cute guys, but they're both giving Harold Perrineau in Romeo+ Juliet

R43 they were not "Arabic". You are part of the reason USA has gone straight down the shitter. I bet you actually graduated from an American HS. And you type these stupidities.

R44 - Yes.

I love how the reporter points out that the twins are both 19.

r48 You and r5 - both

They were Black, native Georgians, r43.

The mountain is not a remote or beautiful place. It’s filled with garbage and graffiti.

They look very handsome and sweet. Their family also seems close and concerned. Sad.

If you've ever had friends or dated someone of a different race, you’ve probably had a moment where cultural differences became clear. Maybe you’ve even gotten a friendly reality check about something that’s common for white people but pretty uncommon for others.

Like, say, climbing up a rock to take pictures under a waterfall. I had a friend who, whenever they got invited to do something like that, would jokingly ask, “Have you ever seen a Black person do this?” It was their way of lovingly saying, “Yeah, this isn’t really our thing.”

That’s exactly what came to mind here.

Two Black boys, 90 miles from home, out in the mountains? That just doesn’t track. No history of exploring/hiking. Tickets still in their wallets as if they were going to leave because why buy tickets at all if you were going to do that? That’s not something you’d typically see, and when something feels that out of place, you have to ask: Did they really go there on their own, or were they put there?

Because the more likely truth? They were murdered and dumped there.

I bet it’s drug dealing gone horribly wrong, R53.

Theory:

They owed someone a LOT of money, & were either circumvented at the airport, taken to the mountains & murdered, or decided to off themselves before someone else did.

The south is one of the most corrupt places in our country. Not too difficult for two kids to royally fuck things up with the wrong set of people.

Stay away from drugs, drug addicts and drug dealers. All three will bring nothing but a shit ton of problems into your life & cause nothing but pain & chaos.

NOT worth it.

There must be some evidence for the police to conclude double suicide. Plus, if it was murder, why do it in such an odd location? Difficult to reach. Nowhere to hide the bodies. Risk of witnesses.

I once met a man with a sense of adventure. He was dressed to thrill wherever he went, he said “Let’s make love on a mountain top under the stars on a big hard rock”.

I said “In these shoes? I don’t think so”.

I said “Honey, let’s do it here”.

Brava R56!

[quote] I bet it’s drug dealing gone horribly wrong

No R54, these two boys don't strike me as drug users or drug dealers.

Not even a little bit.

And their family looks very straight laced.

I think you're being an idiot racist, assuming that all black people use or deal drugs.

R55, that’s not their conclusion, that’s their guess. They are still waiting for autopsies and investigating.

[quote] The south is one of the most corrupt places in our country

Oh do shut the fuck up.

Prob gay and unable to come out

It may not be a final conclusion, but that doesn’t make it a “guess.” It’s their assessment after having investigated the scene.

It’s natural for the family to be in denial.

That place looks sort of evil, very surreal.

It hasn't been said where, on the mountain, they were found. Other than the rock outcropping at the very top the mountain is heavily forested

I live here in Georgia. What I have noticed is that among friends and friendly co workers, the Black people I know are very close families, they go to church regularly and they keep their kids close. The kids do well in school, they are on sports teams, and in bands, and associate with like minded families. Their kids grow up together. So, close knit families, close knit communities. Their social circles are limited to others like themselves. Their parents do this for their safety and security and happiness. And it sometimes places them in danger because they live in a bubble. It's not that their so open and trusting. It's that they can sometimes lack judgement and be foolish. There are a lot of Trumpers here. Some of them are very aggressive and emboldened now. I have a very good friend who's Gay and works a supplemental job as a cashier in a supermarket. He's very obviously Gay. Femme. Earing. Multi colored hair. voice, manner, etc. He moved t o Atlanta because the small semi rural area he lived in, where his Mama still lives in north Georgia, is a sundown area. He was not just unwelcome, he was in danger. He used to shake his head and just say, "You have no idea." So the possibility that they met with foul play, is real. It was the first thing I thought of when I saw their pictures. We don't know anything about their mode of transportation. They said they were flying to Boston to visit friends. Were they driving? Did they take Uber or Lyft to the airport? I'd start there. Did they recover their phones? Are they looking at their computers?

In my mind's eye I see the possibility of a drug deal gone bad. And the bad guy(s) went out of their way to make those kids suffer.

R66 this doesn't look like a drug deal. IMO after seeing their pictures I thought homophobic hate crime.

R65, you're not kidding. North Georgia is terrifying and from first appearances, I fit right in. I can't imagine sticking out up there

Call me crazy but I just don’t think it was suicide.

R6 has made me laugh out loud, against my decidedly curmudgeonly air.

Georgia is the place where groups of white men still hunt and gun down black men on the side of the road. The people on here saying it was drug related are so out of touch with what the black community even looks like. These kids don’t even look like they know how to hold a joint.

There are so many questions. What 19 year olds these days have out of state friends the family wouldn’t know about? Who were these friends they were meeting? Why were they meeting? I think they were meeting a third person in Georgia who was involved in whatever was gonna “happen in Boston” and ended up robbing, killing them. I am sure money was involved. They were set up.

These twins looked like sweet gay boys not drug taking gang bangers. Some of you are blind.

The Atlanta Child Murders were never really solved. Weren’t those black, questionable gay young men found dead in and around the woods of Atlanta?

[quote] Georgia is the place where groups of white men still hunt and gun down black men on the side of the road.

What utter bullshit.

[quote]The Atlanta Child Murders were never really solved.

Yes they were

[quote] The Atlanta Child Murders were never really solved.

r73 are you kidding? Wayne Williams was responsible for the Atlanta Child Murders.

[quote] The investigation was closed following the conviction of Wayne Bertram Williams for two of the murders in 1982; after the trial, law enforcement linked Williams to 20 more of the 29 murders.

BTW, Mindhunter on Netflix did a great job with the Atlanta Child Murders backstory, in case you're interested in the psychology behind the Atlanta Child Murders.

r54 / r66 You sound quite limited.

Utter bullshit r74? This was in 2020, this decade, lest you forget…

Not sure about your information….

[quote]Authorities in March 2019 reopened the investigation into a series of child murders that took place between the 1970s and 80s to re-examine the evidence in the hopes that technological breakthroughs might point to a definite killer in the cases, MOST OF WHIXH WERE NEVER SOLVED.

Williams was never convicted for the murders. He was convicted of the murders of two adults. That is what he is in jail for. They never proved he was the Atlanta Child Killer.

r80 the FBI would like a word....

Not to derail the thread, but R81 and others, Williams was convicted of killing 2 adults. He was never even tried for any of the child murders. There were 29! murders. The FBI “linked” him to 20 of those murders. That means 9 child murders are definitely still unsolved. And I am guessing the FBI with no leads and a dead end case found it easier to pin murders on someone already in jail.

These were black kids, possibly gay, in lates 70s/80s Georgia. How do you fucking CLOSE a case with 9 murdered children still unsolved?

That’s why they reopened the investigation because as I said from the beginning, the Atlanta Children’s Murders were never solved - and these black boys remind me me of how the others were found - murdered in the woods.

Yes, R77, I watched it. There was a subtext with the murders. First of all there was that huge gulf between the APD and the Black community. people with information who were never interviewed. Victims families with no follow up. Not realizing the several of the victims were friends and knew one another. Then there was the Mayor and the Atlanta political structure determined to promote a positive image of the city and hating the negative publicity this would generate. And the rumors and assumptions that since many members of the police department were "former" KKK members it was the Klan killing young black teenaged boys. In fact the Black community, including families of the victims were convinced the cops were colluding with the Klan. Mindhunters did a really good job. It was in Season 2. I wish the series had continued. The fact was these were mostly low income kids who hustled for a living. Some had dreams of making it big in the entertainment field and Wayne Williams claimed he was looking for "the next Michael Jackson." He lured the kids then killed them. He was definitely guilty.

r83 that's correct. The huge thing they shone a light on was that these kids wouldn't have just gotten into a car with some white person...but they would've with a black person.

Exactly, R84! I forgot that part.

The plane tickets might not be particularly significant. Perhaps they were planning to off themselves in Boston but then decided to just do it somewhere local?

R86 then why spend the money? Something about this is not making sense. Including that they had "plane tickets in their pocket?" the only paper I can think of is a boarding pass. Would they have gone to the airport, got their boarding passes and t hen left to go to the mountain top and kill themselves? WTF? Was the family lying? Maybe they were. Maybe the whole "going to Boston to visit friends" thing is something the family made up. Or maybe the reason they got killed?

I was more sympathetic before I read “start their own fashion line”.

They were 19, it's okay to have dreams like that at 19.

“Murder-Suicide” between young Black men in Georgia is peckerwood code for “we lynched them”.

I was in Washington. I had nothing to do with this.

"Plane tickets" could easily be boarding passes in their mobile wallets.

Are some of you posting from 1983?

Of course, it's the DL.

[Quote]I was more sympathetic before I read “start their own fashion line”.

So I guess there's our gay confirmation.

Honestly, what Atlanta drug dealer is driving someone to the top of a mountain to kill them? Some of you have watched too much Ozark.

The plain ticket in wallet is what’s so odd. When was the last time you even printed up a boarding pass? Di kids even use printers anymore? The only time I’ve had a paper ticket in the last seven years was at the airport after I’ve checked in. I still think they were murdered by a third person. It makes no sense.

I watched Mindhunter as well. This is from the author:

[quote]Former FBI profiler John E. Douglas wrote in his book Mindhunter: Inside the FBI's Elite Serial Crime Unit that, in his opinion, "forensic and behavioral evidence points conclusively to Wayne Williams as the killer of eleven young men in Atlanta." He added, however, that he believed there was "no strong evidence linking him to all or even most of the deaths and disappearances of children in that city between 1979 and 1981"

How do you not even try someone for the murders of 11 people even if they are already convicted for something else? How do you close a case with so many outstanding unsolved murders. But everyone is just saying - oh he definitely did it, going off of gut feelings, because it’s just black kids and no one really cares to get to the bottom of it. You have one of the most notorious serial murders in American history and we close it with a “probably.” Makes no sense.

The family members are still asking for the truth.

[quote] This was in 2020, this decade, lest you forget

That was one incident. You try to make it sound like roving gangs of white men are roaming the streets just looking for black males to gun down. As usual with your type of nitwittery, you exaggerate everything to the extreme in failed attempts to prove your ignorant points.

Yes, It's such an isolated incident R96....

I guess black men just love going to north Georgia, Hiawassee County and killing themselves.... This was just last year, March 2024, in the same town, also ruled a suicide...

[quote] The FBI “linked” him to 20 of those murders. That means 9 child murders are definitely still unsolved. And I am guessing the FBI with no leads and a dead end case found it easier to pin murders on someone already in jail.

Did they have a common MO with the ones he was linked to?

Did the killings stop when he was arrested?

r98: yes and yes

Exactly, R99. And I will add that when I watched Mindhunters, the mothers of the "unsolved" were very upset with the way it was handled, but the FBI guys tried to explain to them, t hat they didn't have enough hard evidence to risk charging then losing the cases. They definitely had him for two murders. The similarities with the others were obvious. So R98 's questions were answered. Same MO and killings stopped. For example the guy at the recording studio could not absolutely confirm that some of those kids were with Williams, but he did confirm one of the older victims was.

The point made earlier about the kids unwilling to go with white guys is legit. Those kids were paranoid and so were their parents and neighbors, about white men taking the kids. White men were the "boogie man" to them. So no kid was going to go into a car with a white guy. Wayne Williams seemed harmless. So while it appears that the remaining cases were not solved, it was only because the kind of evidence that would stand up at trial wasn't there or wasn't enough. And few people were disposed to believe a Black Person killed Black children. The popular urban theory is that the Klan did it or maybe the cops d id it. Remember too, they didn't have the technology or the forensic science back t hen to investigate it they way they would now.

I love how you all are arguing the case from the the evidence presented on the a television show. I saw the show too. Those aren't all of the facts. Those are the facts that make sense in the narrative of the show. They have reopened the investigation a handful of times - THAT ALONE should tell you they question if they have the right person OR all of the people involved.

[quote]Did the killings stop when he was arrested?

We will never know because they stopped looking for links. You have 9 dead children who were never linked to Williams at all - BUT they stopped investigating.

BTW, when they reopened the case they were looking for murders all the way up until 1985, way after Williams was arrested. I don't know how you are saying - "It looks like this, so it's probably that." Going on haunches and probability, when it comes to murder, and being satisfied with that is much easier to do when the victims look nothing like you.

The case is far from closed. But because no one really cares about black victims from 40 years ago and people are satisfied that someone is behind bars, that's good enough.

[quote] They have reopened the investigation a handful of times - THAT ALONE should tell you they question if they have the right person OR all of the people involved.

Well, it tells me SOMEONE getting attention questions whether they have the right person, not necessarily that they question it themselves.

The mothers were angry. Even though the FBI knew he was "the one" the mothers felt like he should have been put on trial for killing their kids. I get it. Most people would understand how they felt.

Agreed, r103.

How can you say someone killed 29 people and not even put them on trial for it?

What was his motive anyway? I watched Mind Hunter many times, I agree, it should be renewed, I'd love to see the storyline about their psycho, adopted, kid progress. Was he raping them? I never understood that part.

Williams was a serial killer who hated the "nasty little street kids who got what they deserved." He told the FBI agents that. He contrasted himself, as a well brought up, industrious person with these "losers."

This article from 1982(!) in the Washington Post sheds quite a lot of light on motivation of the killer, and how Wayne Williams matched up:

[quote] But many Atlanta residents still wonder why a near-brilliant young man would murder poor ghetto youths of his own race. He has consistently said he is innocent and is appealing his convictions.

[quote] Prosecutors portrayed Williams, 23, as a self-styled music promoter who sought to absolve his own sense of failure by committing black genocide. But Howard said he believed it boiled down to power. "He was a nobody who wanted to be a somebody," said the scientist. "But in order for him to feel he had power, he had . . . to show others he had power."

[quote] Because so many fibers matched, the scientists advised investigators to look for a single killer, he said. A crime lab profile revealed for the first time today predicted the killer would be a "young, black male on the fringe of his peer group," said Howard.

[quote] "We knew he was ego-deficient because he responded to the newspapers," he said. "He put bodies in the open so they could be found. He enjoyed our puzzlement. We knew he was a loner because no one responded to the $100,000 reward."

[quote] Howard implied that police deduced the killer was black because "we knew he killed from a positon of trust because autopsies showed the victims were killed [most by aspyxiation] with very little struggle. And as the suspect got braver, he killed individuals who were stronger. We could see him gain confidence."

[quote] After Williams' arrest, the latest forensic technology was used by Atlanta authorities and by the FBI in Washington to match fibers from the victims with others from Williams' carpet, bedspread, dog and cars.

[quote] Williams denied any prior contact with the victims, but the tiny fibers proved he lied, said Howard.

[quote] "The fibers made the association," he said.

Very cute boys. Like said up the thread, the location is just very weird. I doubt if they got caught up with some trade that they would do out of their way to discard their bodies at this location. And trade is my theory, they were really young and look relatively docile

R94, a great thinker among us.

[quote] Firefighter Arrested in Case Involving Twin Brothers, 19, Who Were Found Dead on Georgia Mountain

An arrest has been made in the case of the twin brothers found dead atop a Georgia mountain.

The Georgia Bureau of Investigation said that Scott Kerlin, 42, is being charged with misdemeanor obstruction.

"Kerlin is a volunteer firefighter in Towns County who took photos of the Lewis twins’ death scene and shared them publicly," the GBI said in a statement on Tuesday.

PEOPLE has reached out to a GBI spokesperson to ask if Kerlin was present at the crime scene in an official capacity or if he went there on his own accord.

Kerlin did not respond to a request for comment.

The bodies of Qaadir Malik Lewis and Naazir Rahim Lewis, both 19, were discovered by a group of hikers on Bell Mountain just before noon on March 8, according to the GBI.

Both teenagers had gunshot wounds, and a preliminary investigation by the GBI and the Towns County Sheriff's Office determined the case of death to be murder-suicide.

The official and cause and manner of death has yet to be released however, with the medical examiner saying that additional forensic testing is needed after completing the brothers' autopsies.

Family members of the two brothers have been adamant in declaring that they do not believe the deaths were a murder-suicide, and have urged authorities to continue their investigation.

"My nephews wouldn’t do this! They came from a family of love, and twins wanted so much for their future, they had dreams of starting their very own clothing line," the brothers' aunt Yasmine Brawner said after launching a GoFundMe to raise money for their funerals.

Brawner and other family members have said that the brothers had no ties to Bear Mountain, which is 90 miles north of their home in Lawrenceville.

Family members also said that the brothers had been planning to fly to Boston the day after their bodies were discovered, and were discovered with the plane tickets in their pockets.

"Something happened at Bell mountain that ended the lives of 19 year old Qaadir and Naazir, which needs to be further investigated," said Brawner.

They look like nice kids, but 19 with no jobs mentioned, apparently not in school, and a vague plan to “start a fashion line” as the family’s only specific evidence of them having bright futures makes me feel like I’m not irredeemably racist to think that they might have been involved in drugs or some other sketchy activity. Pretty sure I’d think the same thing if they were white, Asian, or Latino. But it’s “might have.”

The tickets in their wallets is very weird. Is it common now to refer to your Apple wallet as just your wallet? Makes me think they lied to their family.

Also can’t fathom how they ended up near a hiking trail. No matter what they were involved in or how they died, it doesn’t make sense. You wouldn’t carry two bodies up a mountain to dump them, that’s not a spot it would be easy to lure those kids to, and it’s unlikely they would choose to go there.

Maybe it was case of folie à deux like The Swedish Motorway Twins?

^ let’s be honest r112, if they were white - drug related WOULD NOT be one of the first things that popped into your head. One of them being a gun nut maybe, gun violence. The autism troll would have been all over it as well. But drugs? No… That’s because they’re black and from Atlanta.

Here's a story: Even though it is not related, a couple went for a boat ride at a lake in Georgia. Not the notorious Lake Lanier, but another one. Lake Oconee, which is smaller. It was the man's 50th birthday. The woman was a professor at Spelman college, he was a coach and a teacher at a prestigious private school. Both were African American. Something happened to the motor in their small boat and he had removed the covering to try to fix it. The motor accelerated suddenly, at least this is the surmise, and threw them both out of the small boat. They both drowned. They found the woman almost immediately. It took them a whole damned month to find the guy. He was 100 feet away from her. His family had to hire a private diving company and they found him in a matter of hours after the cops failed for 28 days. The police in GA leave a lot to be desired when it comes to investigating anything related to the death of African American men.

This thing is bizarre. I am on the family's side.

I didn’t say it was the first thing that popped into my head, R114. It’s a weird story. I might jump to different conclusions about bodies found dumped at a rest stop if it was two white twins from Larchmont who were attending Princeton vs. two black twins from Atlanta who didn’t seem to have jobs. Even then, though. Two young, healthy males together? They aren’t that likely to be victims unless they were up to something.

But this story is weird and I definitely didn’t jump to the kids being involved in drugs. I don’t think that now (although it’s one unlikely possibility), I can’t imagine what led to them being there.

R112 There is car road to the top of that mountain.

Where Trevonte Jamal Shubert-Helton was found hanged from a tree last year was just a 21 minute drive from where the Twins were discovered - all three deaths ruled suicide.

I guess I am not the only one questioning the above possible connection...

[quote]TWO SEPARATE BLACK DEATHS, ONE TOWN, SAME VERDICT? HIAWASSEE, GA—WE HAVE QUESTIONS. I woke up to a chilling story—twin Black brothers found dead in backwoods Georgia. A follower then reminded me of another Black man “found hanging” there last year, ruled a suicide. BULLSHIT.

[quote]February 2025: Trevonte Jamal Shubert-Helton was found hanging at High Shoals Falls. Within a day, the Georgia Bureau of Investigation (GBI) ruled it a suicide—no foul play.

[quote]March 8, 2025: Twins Qaadir & Nazir Lewis were found dead on Bell Mountain, 24 hours after they missed their flight. The GBI called it a murder-suicide, but the family isn’t buying it. Key questions remain unanswered:

[quote]Where is the gun? They say one twin shot the other, but no firearm has been confirmed. Why were they there? Bell Mountain isn’t exactly a known Black gathering spot. What happened before their deaths? No clear timeline of their movements.

[quote]Two cases roughly a year apart, same town, same ruling. In a town with barely 1,000 people and almost no Black residents, three Black men dead in a year—all suicides? Nah.

[quote]No major news outlet is covering this. We need to demand a federal investigation. Don’t let this disappear. Share. of the brothers was shot, yet authorities have not confirmed whether a firearm was recovered.

[quote]What were they doing there? Bell Mountain is located in a town where Black residents make up an extreme minority, and there has been no public evidence to suggest why the Lewis twins would have traveled there voluntarily.

[quote]What happened before their deaths? Family and really, anyone with a brain have questioned what vehicle they were driving and where it last stopped, arguing that a clear timeline should exist.

[quote]Two Cases, One Town, Same Ruling? Come on bruh. In both the Shubert-Helton case at High Shoals Falls and the Lewis twins’ deaths on Bell Mountain, the GBI quickly ruled suicide—even in the case of the twins, where a murder-suicide determination was made despite lingering gaps in the evidence.

[quote]Both deaths occurred in secluded outdoor locations in Hiawassee, and both resulted in rapid rulings that families and the public find difficult to accept.

[quote]The main question remains: Is this truly just a tragic coincidence, or is there more to these cases than what we’ve been told?

[quote]With no major news networks covering these stories in depth, the responsibility has fallen on us, and independent investigators to demand clarity. We have to understand our nation is going backwards. In a town with a population of just over 1,000 people and almost no Black residents, the deaths of three Black men within a year, all ruled suicides, raise serious concerns.

[quote]We need to share this until the FBI, which is a long shot given this Grand Dragon we have as a president, but we need the Black Democratic Caucus demeaning a federal investigation if we can. This is very concerning.

Hiawassee is a Sundown Town as well...

And BTW, as a gay man, if you can think of the most terrifying place you could go where you might be attacked, or gay bashed or mortally wounded - Hiking in the Georgia Mountains would be on of the the equivalents for a black man.

R120 very suspicious. So why not follow it up with appreciate agencies or congresspeople R120.

I believe they are waiting for the autopsy report r123.

Somebody drove them alive and made them walk up the mountain then killed them. It sounds like the railroad bridge murders. Maybe they just ran into a murderer.

They were way too quick to call it murder-suicide.

R113 I was thinking about them recently. I think one may be dead and the other is leading a normal life as a mom.

R114 Oh bullshit, it's the age that makes people think that, and the fact that they're men. I would have thought that. The family should hire an independent pathologist. I could see this being real. Twins are so close, and they wouldn't want to live without each other. Calll me an idiot but men that age are prone to rash decisions, and if they had been drinking or something, it would make it even more likely.

R127 I'm surprised they're not a DL obsession.

R128 Really, I can't remember if we had a thread about them. But jesus, that whole thing was so insane. I don't know how they survived, and with barely any injuries!

We must stop killing ourselves.

R127, it’s not bullshit. White teenage boys are notorious for gunning down people. Never once have I heard anything about what they do or why they did it being drug related. But two black boys from Atlanta kill each other and it’s a drug deal gone wrong. We can at least be honest with ourselves. Black kids and guns = drugs in popular culture. White kids and guns = mental instability.

Whoever wrote that article at R111 is an idiot. The author can't decide if the two guys died on Bell Mountain or Bear Mountain (which is nowhere near Bell Mountain).

[quote] You wouldn’t carry two bodies up a mountain to dump them

Like I said in a previous post, it has not been said exactly where on the mountain the boys were found. They could have been found at the base of the mountain.

The road to the top of Bell Mountain is treacherous and steep. No one in their right mind would attempt to drive that road all the up in the dark, and that leads me to think they were more likely found much farther down on the mountain.

They were a dazzling pair, based on the few photos I have seen, and it must be shocking to everyone these 19yo young men are dead. It's a horrific story.

Broadway dancer Zelig Williams is also still missing. Also suspected suicide.

It’s DRUGS.

Stop with the shit about me or others here being racist. I’m not white & im sure AF not racist.

Why were they flying to Boston, & if they were.both unemployed, how did they purchase airline tickets to get there & back to Atlanta?

Someone either set them up to steal their stash and money, or they had a deal go really wrong.

Are black men lynched to this day? No one knows for sure, but I sure AF think they are.

Are these two boys victims of a lynching? If it’s related to a bad drug deal, then yes. If not? Then I highly doubt it.

We have no proof their family even knew they were headed to Boston. Doesn’t that sound odd to you? Who flys right in and out, who drives right in and out? Drug dealers, and/or gun dealers. Since they were allegedly flying out, then I’m guessing drugs.

No one sought these boys out in order to lynch them based on sheer racism, & I highly doubt they went to that far as fuck mountain willingly, in order to kill another and themselves.

Drugs. Money. The end.

Also, the answer to who ever is involved in some drug trafficking is right in that little, shithole country town, or close.

The likelihood that law enforcement is a part of it, is pretty damn high, since there appears to be a developing pattern of “suicides” or now, “murder-suicide”.

3 black men, dead & some corrupt, drug dealing cops or cop adjacent dealers did them all in.

R136/R137 is Teacake.

IGNORE.

[quote] Are these two boys victims of a lynching? If it’s related to a bad drug deal, then yes. If not? Then I highly doubt it.

That makes no sense.

R136 who the fuck in Atlanta flies to Boston for drugs? Think about how dumb that sounds. If these19 yo boys were dabbling in drug dealing they have plenty in their own state to get started. Besides all the drugs come through Miami. If you live in Atlanta, you don’t go north to score drugs, you go south. So stupid.

R131 In reality, if you are gunned down by a teenager it is far more likely to be a black teenager than a white teenager.

That's not the. point R141, and you know it.

R136, the only kind of "drugs!" scenario I can imagine is a courier deal gone wrong. So let's say someone who knows someone tells the twins they can make a lot of money just carrying some stuff to Boston. They meet to pick it up and discover either that the money promised isn't right, or they were too stupid to realize t his was serious drugs. Lots of them in a duffle bag or back pack. They get cold feet, they argue and they get shot. But I don't believe these two used or were experienced in the world of drugs. Maybe if drugs were even involved it was a situation where they wanted to make some money and got suckered in. It was not a world they were familiar with or comfortable in. Maybe the very reason why they were solicited to carry as couriers was the fact that they were so scare no one would ever consider them a problem.

R143 here "they were so SQUARE"

I just saw this on FB

He looks Klan-ish

Their Uber driver did it.

How can you name your sons Qaadir Malik and Naazir Rahim but keep the surname Lewis? If you insist on giving your kids terrorist names you might as well go all out and change your surname to bin Laden.

r132, Shockingly bad writing... hard to believe People has no editor???

R148 = product of incest.

I'd definitely change it. The name came from the owners who bought their ancestors.

They are still saying "their plane tickets were found in their wallets."

Yeah I wish they would clarify that r152. And there was no gun confirmed found either at this murder suicide…

R142 How the fuck am I supposed to know what the point of your opinion is when you cannot express it?

R131 "White teenage boys are notorious for gunning down people."

Easily refuted with facts but pat yourself on the back.

R155 we’ll start with Columbine.

R156 By that logic, Muslims are notorious for mass murder after 9/11.

54% of mass shootings since 1980 have been committed by white men. While the average age is 33 years old a good number of those shootings have involved white teenage boys who are responsible for some of the deadliest attacks in U.S. history since 2010.

So yes white teenage boys are notorious for gunning people down.

R131 R158 There were a total of 19,252 reported homicide cases in the U.S. in 2023.

In cases where the race of homicide offenders is known, a significant portion are Black or African American (52.4%), followed by White offenders (45.2%), with a smaller percentage being of other races.

Twelve percent of the population committed more than half the murders. It wasn’t the white boys.

I’m thinking most print publications will fire their writers/reporters and go all out with AI. I think they’ve started already and that’s why there are so many unforgivable spelling and grammar errors.

[quote] And there was no gun confirmed found either at this murder suicide

There is no way the police would claim murder-suicide without a gun at the scene.

People forget that the overwhelming majority of victims of Black criminals are also black. The white narrative is that the majority of victims of black crime are white, which is false.

White folks don’t even tell the truth about themselves, black folks shouldn’t expect them to be honest about us either. Sorry, not sorry.

R162 Nobody has suggested that the victims weren't black.

People don't forget that, it's how we knew the Atlanta Child Killer was black as was the Grim Sleeper, and all the myriad other serial killers are white, like their victims.

Nothing that goes on behind closed doors surprises me anymore. Kids and young adults can get caught up in some very weird situations. Situations they will hide from their families. It is certainly not out of the realm of possibilities that those two young men decided that the best thing they could do would be to commit suicide. Teenagers today have influences on them that someone my age (72) never had. I've seen instances of teens getting caught up in some very weird beliefs that ended in disaster. Remember those two girls who got caught up in the belief in the tall man who then got one of their friends off alone somewhere and stabbed her 30 or so times in an attempt to kill her. Those 2 girls were completely fucked up in the head all over some ridiculous urban legend. I believe the 2 who committed the crime are still in prison. Thankfully the girls they attacked made a complete recovery.

R165 that might be all well and good. But think about it for a second. Would two people, so distraught to the point of wanting to kill themselves, drive over 90 miles to place they’ve never been before, hike to a remote area they’ve never seen and shoot themselves? It just doesn’t make sense. Is it a suicide spot, like the Golden Gate Bridge or Niagra Falls?

R159 I don’t get your point. I NEVER said white teens are the only ones to commit shootings, I didn’t even say the most shootings. I said “they are notorious” for doing it - which my AND your statistics prove.

I think white men will be fine without you needing to be their public defender. Let me guess, your the type who comments “well blacks sold themselves in Africa” when it comes to any discussion about slavery…

R161, a women was stabbed over 20 times, with multiples of those stab wounds being to the back of the neck, was ruled a suicide. Anything can happen. Has the weapon been mentioned? Has their car been found? None of this is on record. So it’s worth asking.

R167 "I didn’t even say the most shootings. I said “they are notorious...”

You are saying that they are notorious for something that you admit isn't true, but you like defend the lie?

R169 "White teenage boys are notorious for gunning down people."

If you get gunned down in America, statistically, it will not be by a white teenage boy. Not by a long fucking shot, dude.

What happens in your racist head may be personally compelling, but does not affect reality.

Most homicide victims know their killers.

Too soon?

New surveillance video deepens mystery in deaths of Lawrenceville twins found shot on Bell Mountain

Seen on camera at a gas station at 10pm/10:30pm, then not found until the next morning at 11am with their car found INSIDE the park - which is locked at dusk. So SOMEHOW, their car ended up in the park presumably AFTER the gates were locked for the night, or it was put there when the gates opened at 8(?)am.

Yeah, not suspicious at all.

R145 he took pictures of the crime scene,he didnt kill the boys. As an aside,thats a hard 42 !

I'd lick their shitters

R174 Where was the gas station? On the way to Georgia? Were they in distress?

This one's a strange case. Friday morning March 7, the boys take an Uber to the airport with tickets in their wallets. The relatives now say it seems the Uber didn't get there on time, they missed their flight.

Then that same evening (Friday) they're seen on surveillance video, at a gas station minutes from their home, dressed normal, getting snacks and water. Nothing seems weird from the footage.

Then the next morning they are both found dead, together, on the mountain which is 90 minute drive away from the home and the gas station. Dead from gunshot wounds, yet no gun is found, yet the cops say it was "likely a murder-suicide." (Why?) The boys apparently have no known personal connection to that location where they were shot and killed. And they were driving their own car at 10:30 with no other passengers and seemed to have no other people with them, the previous night per gas station footage.

In this case I don't think we can leap to "drugs" just because they are Black and from the Atlanta metro area... personal anecdotes have suggested the twins were rather sheltered and very close to one another.

Must be a painful and confusing time for the next of kin. Hopefully it gets solved.

This "break" in the case means nothing. They still don't have a clue.

Also their car was found nearby with the boys' two cell phones on the front seat. No luggage in the car. Their bodies were found at a popular scenic area that gets a lot of hiker traffic in the daytime. So at some point that night, they drove 90 minutes from home to this wooded scenic area, got out of the car, walked a short distance... and (something happens) and they're both dead from gunshot wounds. Their wallets were not stolen either.

I don’t think it is correct to say “no gun was found.”

Thanks R181, thought I saw that in the earlier story.

Still a strange case. On its surface it looks like they chose to die together.

Have they released a "time of death" from autopsy? That would be key.

What many that don't read all the posts don't seem to realize is the DISCREPANCY in timing:

1. The park they were found at CLOSES THEIR GATES TO VEHICLES at 6pm/dusk and reopens them at 8am in the morning

2. The twins were seen at the gas station miles away the night before discovery at 10pm/10:30pm getting snacks/drinks

3. The park gates OPEN TO VEHICLES at 8am

4. The twins were found dead at 11am the next day inside the park

5. Their vehicle was found INSIDE THE PARK as well.

So, time of death is important here because their vehicle could not have been IN THE PARK until 8am of the morning they were found dead, since they were seen the night before at the gas station at 10/10:30pm after the gates were closed. So, did they spend the night somewhere (where?), drive to the park after the gates opened, and commit suicide just mere hours before they were found?

That's a puzzling point. Perhaps I'm missing some information in my synopsis. If so, feel free to add to it.

^^sorry about all the "so" occurrences and capitalized words in my post above.

Got some real drama going on in the apartment above me with the new neighbors fighting/arguing/cops called; obviously it's spilling over into my post!

The video is a nothing burger. It shows they were alive close to home the night before their bodies were discovered, but that doesn’t really add anything. The fact that the park was closed when they were buying snacks is irrelevant. It just means they entered the park the day they were found and not the night before.

That’s why time of death is so important r185. It’s very odd that two people who show absolutely no signs of distress would kill themselves within hours in a location they know nothing about.

The really sad thing is that DL is more committed to discovering the truth than the police department there who has already ruled this a M/S ages ago. This will not be really investigated until a fourth or fifth black man ends up “killing himself” in the same area , after these three - maybe.

Black Lives actually really don’t matter. This is exactly what the movement at the beginning was all about.

So was a gun found at the scene or not? I'm confused.

Did they take the UBER home after they missed their flight and then leave again in their car?

Cops did it

R187, I thought I'd read that no gun was found, but R181 seems to be saying that's not certain.

R188, yes. They were Uber airport passengers Friday morning, and in their own car (with none of the luggage) that same Friday night.

If there's no gun the cops are in on it.

Thanks for posting, R183.

You actually cleared up a few timeline questions that I had.

There’s no way they could say it was a suicide if no gun was found at the scene.

Basically, nothing is known about their whereabouts or activity from ~ 10:30 p.m. until sometime early the next morning.

I wonder if investigators made any effort to examine intersection traffic camera footage around the convenience store to see which direction they headed and proceed to other traffic light cameras in that heading. You always hear that it's almost impossible to pull off a perfect crime due to the amount of surveillance cameras everywhere.

Maybe they called the Uber late on purpose so they could miss their flight so family wouldn't know they never left. Then they could carry out whatever they had planned.

Im sure they tracked their phones . No info on that front ? Heres my theory,take it with a grain of salt . I think they were very close indeed,as in twincest is best close. For whatever reason they decided to end their lives .The fact their wallets and phones were still there lets you know it probably wasnt crime related .

The family wouldn't be tracking their phones if they knew the boys were going to Boston and saw them leave. Why would they? Law enforcement would look into the phones of course after the fact.

Those boys were murdered. Period. I would like to know more about the reasons for their trip to Boston. The one they missed out on.

They missed their plane because the Uber was late. The family must have known that.

And if they did not tell the family that they did not go to Boston—why?

There's a whole lot of stuff that family is not opening up about. Because none of this makes sense.

Notice the family doesn’t say “they didn’t own a gun.” Seems an odd omission if you’re insisting they didn’t shoot themselves.

Putting it all together,

- They kept it secret from family that they never flew to Boston

- They seemed normal in the gas station footage that night

- They seem to have driven up to that mountain 1.5 hours away all alone, and done so entirely by choice

It does seem like a double suicide or a murder-suicide. Unless some evidence actually points in another direction.

Sad. They were cute, they looked a little like Kel Mitchell. I think R203 is right. This is something they planned for whatever reason. Kids are rash and impulsive, they don't understand that death is forever. A fight with their girlfriend/boyfriend seems like the end of the world, and they do dumb shit like this.

R186 No, the movement was about cops killing black people. If they kill each other, it's never talked about.

Kel...

[quote] No, the movement was about cops killing black people. If they kill each other, it's never talked about.

There is a contingent here who believes that the two were lynched because of the remote northern Georgia location, and the strange circumstances.

Hmmm..I don't think any coroner would keep it quiet if they were lynched. Their family would probably notice too.

Was the park gate actually closed at 8pm, or was it supposed to be closed at 8pm?

I don’t mean lynched literally. Obviously, they were shot.

[quote]No, the movement was about cops killing black people. If they kill each other, it's never talked about.

Actually R204 the movement is" a decentralized political and social movement that aims to highlight racism, discrimination and racial inequality experienced by black people, and to promote anti-racism." There was a strong anti-police brutality contingent, but that wasn't the only focus. MY point was that the death of these two boys isn't really worth digging into too deeply for the police because their lives don't matter as much - this very odd death was ruled a murder suicide immediately before any forensic evidence was even investigated. It's the family begging for answers, not the police.

[quote]There is a contingent here who believes that the two were lynched because of the remote northern Georgia location, and the strange circumstances.

That's not true R206. No one believes these boys were hanged. BUT there was another black man found hanged from a tree in the same area as these boys just a year or so ago and that was of course ruled a suicide. It wasn't investigated.

The county these both occurred in is Towns County GA, which was a sundown county. Sundown Counties were towns that explicitly stated black people could not be in them after the sun went down. They are obviously illegal now, but still exist. Black people do not drive deep into sundown counties to kill themselves. It just doesn't happen. Black people from Atlanta ARE NOT driving into GA country anywhere to ill themselves.

Think about being a gay man and the last places in America you would want to be as a gay man because they are dangerous. Now think if you'd go there to kill yourself?

Person or persons unknown!

[quote] MY point was that the death of these two boys isn't really worth digging into too deeply for the police because their lives don't matter as much - this very odd death was ruled a murder suicide immediately before any forensic evidence was even investigated. It's the family begging for answers, not the police.

Bullshit. The case is highly publicized, so the police certainly care. You have no idea what they found at the scene to lead them to conclude—preliminarily—that it was a murder/suicide. They are still awaiting autopsy results before any final conclusions are made. There it’s, as far as we know, zero evidence of any other explanation aside from the family’s understandable reluctance to believe they killed themselves.

It is likely they were both shot with their own gun which was found at the scene. One of them may have powder on his hand. If it was not a murder suicide, someone went to a lot of trouble to make it look like one and apparently vanished without a trace. Why?

Absolutely. A simple gun residue test would clear up the murder/suicide angle. I wonder if they did one. If they didn't they're incompetent.