Trump ordered Homeland Security to abduct Columbia student for anti-Israel protests

NEWS: Last night, DHS detained a Palestinian who helped lead Columbia encampment.

Agents told him his visa was revoked. He said he had a green card. They were confused—then said that was revoked too.

His attorney demanded a warrant. Agents hung up instead.

UPDATE—Mahmoud's attorney says they do NOT know where he is. They were first told he was sent to an ICE facility in Elizabeth, NJ. But when his 8-month-pregnant wife tried to visit him, she was told he's not there. They've received reports he may be sent as far away as Louisiana.

Like that hillbilly blowup doll would know the difference. She’s just a racist piece of shit.

Expect many more disappearances in the coming years.

Where. The. Fuck. Am. I.

This is really going to blow up in their faces. As it should.

Face it, we're living with no protection by the laws now. First illegal immigrants, then legal immigrants, then citizens. There's nothing between us and Trump's dumpster fire.

Whom are you referring to, R3?

This thread died on the vine.

Elections have consequences.

It’s a good thing all these “Palestinian activists” voted for Trump.

Ha HA!

How's all that "Joe Biden is a war criminal!" working out for you?

He was a Hamas sympathizer who on their behalf was organizing the “protests” on campus. His visa will be revoked and he can go fuck off to where he came from.

The melodramatic take as if he was secretly snatched illegally is pretty funny to read on here though.

Like R13 I have no issue with what they have done, but the way the did it is a total clusterfuck - they dont even appear to know he was on a green card instead of a visa

His actions likely will have disqualified him as per 2) and 4) i the following from link below;

[quote]Your Responsibilities as a Permanent Resident

[quote]As a permanent resident, you are:

[quote]1) required to obey all laws of the United States and localities;

[quote]2) Required to file your income tax returns and report your income to the U.S. Internal Revenue Service and state taxing authorities;

[quote]3)Expected to support the democratic form of government (“support” does not include voting. Permanent residents cannot vote in federal, state, or local elections.); and

[quote]4)Required to register with the Selective Service, if you are a male age 18 through 25.

R8, I assume R3 was referring to Kristi Noem.

Nah, fuck this guy. He was a Hamas supporter and a ringleader of pro-Hamas campus takeovers that targeted Jewish students and faculty, destroyed property, and sent a Barnard security guard to the hospital with serious injuries.

You don’t get to come to our country and organize hostile takeovers of college campuses in support of a designated terrorist group, and keep your green card or visa. There’s literally a law against it.

Good riddance.

Damn in R14 I meant

[quote]His actions likely will have disqualified him as per 1) and 3)

Not 2) and 4). Doh

R26 I agree. He's a vicious nasty anti-semitic piece of work, and Homeland Security are right to take him out, just do it correctly

I wish I cared.

This seem overdue. Terrorist sympathizers need to shown the door. Lawfully, of course.

to *be*

*seems*

R15 is right

Ah, when I saw this story yesterday, I wondered how long it would take the bootlickers to show up and shoot their load all over this thread.

And then give themselves copious W&Ws.

Does Mahmoud have a hairy ass?

Any shirtless pics of terrorist sympathizer?

Sad. Every Trump voter should feel like trash this morning and the morning after that and the morning after that. How is any of this nonsense morally right or legal?

[quote]Where. The. Fuck. Am. I.

In a country that doesn't allow green card holders who threaten violence and support terrorist organizations to stay.

r25 as if. MAGAts don't care that their own family members are being laid off. You really think they will react with anything other than unrestrained glee that a brown person affiliated with an Ivy League school was disappeared?

R27 Trump didn't win with just Magas alone. I’m not talking about the people in the cult brainwashed at this point. I am talking about regular center right Americans, whether it be Joe Rogan or the local manager at a nuclear plant.

Honestly, at this point, Dump has been on the national political stage for just about ten years. He has shown over and over and over again exactly who and what he is.

I fail to see how the MAGAt/non-MAGAT distinction is useful anymore. Any person who voted for Dump in 2024 knew exactly what they were signing up for. Or they should have. That's on them.

As a green card holder he has the right not to be abducted without probable cause and then lost in Trump’s immigration gulag. If they want to indict him for a crime, they need to go through the same criminal process as a citizen. They need evidence. They need to arraign him before a criminal court. He has not been charged with a crime.

The Secretary of State has made the government policy clear and put terrorist supporters on notice.

As a permanent resident, Mahmoud was entitled to due process. Regardless of how we feel about his beliefs and actions, the implications for other green card holders (and all Americans) are chilling. At the same time, can’t shed my anger and disappointment in those who chose to elevate Gaza/Israel in the midst of an election year to the point that their votes (or lack thereof) were based on a single issue. How could they not envision the greater damage of a Trump victory when the handwriting on the wall was so painfully obvious? These single issue voters (on both sides of the divide) not only sabotaged their own “cause,” but, ultimately, threatened our democracy and fragile world order.

Sorry—but people have the right to be Hamas sympathizers.

What they don’t have the right to do is to provide material support and resources to Hamas.

If they want to charge people with providing material support and resources to terrorists, they should present the evidence in court.

"Expect many more disappearances in the coming years."

We called it "protective custody."

They don’t have the ability to simply “revoke” a green card at will because they don’t like someone’s politics. That’s not how it works. Shame on you, Marco.

What does it even mean, "Hamas supporter"? It's so vague and watery. You can imagine them deploying the term at everyone from genuine terrorists down to college kids with signs, without distinction. Chilling, indeed.

R33, R35, R36, refer to R16

[quote]ringleader of pro-Hamas campus takeovers that targeted Jewish students and faculty, destroyed property, and sent a Barnard security guard to the hospital with serious injuries

He did far more than just "support Hamas" - which is a designated terrorist organisation. Personally I dont have an issue with them revoking residence/ green card eligibility on those grounds alone, but he did far more than just that, as per the guidelines I posted at R14 he failed to

1) required to obey all laws of the United States and localities;

and

3)Expected to support the democratic form of government (“support” does not include voting. Permanent residents cannot vote in federal, state, or local elections.)

And if he'd voiced support for something like the KKK, Atomwaffen or other local US terrorist organisations I'd want him gone too

Even so, r37, there is a LEGAL way to deal with this. And what has happened to him is NOT LEGAL.

R38 That is a fair point, they need to follow due process which they very much have not. As I said originally, the how they did it is a clusterfuck

[quote]What does it even mean, "Hamas supporter"? It's so vague and watery.

No, it isn't. At the Columbia and Barnard encampments, which Khalil helped to organize, they were literally handing out pamphlets from the Hamas Media Office, glorifying the October 7th attacks.

Khalil is on video leading huge crowds to cheer for the "freedom fighters" in Gaza. These operations were absolutely in support of Hamas.

Enough with the NY Post, r40.

He's a pos Hamas supporter and antisemitic and I'm glad he's being deported but they should have followed proper procedure. Now this trash is being victimized instead of being sent home and never thought again.

Buh-bye. Let him enjoy life in Gaza or Guantanamo.

So many people on this thread are missing the point.

r37 It would seem, then, that "Hamas supporter" is not the real issue, but rather harassment, vandalism, and being implicated in a physical assault. They should say that.

R44 - I don't think anyone is missing the point - yes, there should be due process and not knowing where he's being held is dangerous precedent.

France has been clamping down on Muslim immigrants espousing hate speech and actions against the French government and Jews and Gays, etc.

I had friends on green cards when I was at Columbia and they were extremely careful. This guy just went nuts and created a lot of chaos on campus - as well as being heavily anti-semitic.

Muslims want the right to protest, free speech, talk against Western values, call all of us immoral, while collecting government benefits and having freedoms they would never have in their own countries.

The invasion of Palestine was caused by Hamas's invasion and taking hundreds of Israeli citizens as hostages.

Terrible. But couldn’t happen to a more deserving guy.

He's cute- so we care.

He is entitled to speak out in favor of Hamas. Speech alone does meet the requirement of “providing material support to a terrorist organization.”

If he did more, charge him and prove it.

[quote] He did far more than just "support Hamas"

You provide nothing to support that other than assert he was a “ringleader” of a protest movement—constitutionally protected activity.

To the extent he broke any laws, he is subject to prosecution and if he is convicted he is subject to having his green card revoked, but not on the basis of a tweeted accusation by the Secretary of State.

I believe Columbia should not have tolerated the encampment. I even believe it is fair to say that the protests included explicitly pro-Hamas elements and that anyone who participated in them is responsible for at least implicitly supporting Hamas in their demonstrations. I think that did create an unreasonably hostile campus environment for many Jewish people.

But I will not abandon the law because I don’t like Khalil’s politics and tactics.

If he’s guilty of a crime—prove it. At least charge him. Don’t disappear him. That’s fascism.

So the first amendment means nothing anymore.

Free speech means nothing.

Anyone who dares defend Palestinians, even if you are a Palestinian, will be arrested

Why don’t gays or Blacks ever get this much protection from the right?

The Benjamins

[Quote] France has been clamping down on Muslim immigrants espousing hate speech and actions against the French government and Jews and Gays, etc.

France has more limited free speech rights than the US

If he isn’t involved in actual terrorist activity, the courts will throw this out.

Making a speech supporting Palestinians from ethnic cleansing isn’t terrorism. Participating in the campus encampments isn’t terrorism either

[Quote] No, it isn't. At the Columbia and Barnard encampments, which Khalil helped to organize, they were literally handing out pamphlets from the Hamas Media Office, glorifying the October 7th attacks. Khalil is on video leading huge crowds to cheer for the "freedom fighters" in Gaza. These operations were absolutely in support of Hamas.

None is this is terrorism. It’s speech and protected. is this all they have??

If white people can march through cities with Nazi flags and it be allowed as free speech, how is any of what he’s accused of terrorism?

If this is protected under "the right of peaceful assembly," than anything goes.

*then

Can the State Department decide to deport any green card holder who, say, supports unions? Or sympathizes with Planned Parenthood? This action was arbitrary and capricious. What is my punishment as a citizen if I express sympathy for ISIS? Can I also be snatched off the street and sent to some sort of extra-legal holding camp?

[quote] Khalil is on video leading huge crowds to cheer for the "freedom fighters" in Gaza.

Link to video R40?

Fucking nazis. Fuck trump

No, R58. There is a law that specifically makes support for terrorist organizations grounds for deportation of a visa or green card holder. None of the other hypotheticals you mentioned have anything whatsoever to do with this situation. There is nothing “arbitrary and capricious” about it.

Fellow liberals: You don’t need to come to the defense of a literal supporter of terrorism to stand up to Trump. Don’t be baited into clowning yourselves. This isn’t the Handmaid’s Tale FFS.

[quote] It would seem, then, that "Hamas supporter" is not the real issue, but rather harassment, vandalism, and being implicated in a physical assault. They should say that.

People understand what it means without having to spell it out. There are no innocent “Hamas supporters”.

[quote]So many people on this thread are missing the point.

We get it, R44, if your point is that a green card holder is entitled to all the rights and privileges as a citizen, including his First Amendment rights. But let me pose a hypothetical that perhaps explains the sentiment expressed here: he is a terrorist plant sent here well in advance of the very-well planned Hamas attack on Israel and the very well planned response from Netanyahu to interfere in our election by ginning up well-planned protests (with help, obviously; he couldn't have done it without TikTok and Xitter) to the Israeli response. If it isn't clear, the American people were played by Trump, Netanyahu, Hamas, Iran and ultimately, Putin.

It was so predictable: they knew a terror attack on Israel would initially garner tremendous support within the US as American Jews rightfully reacted with horror, disgust, coming together and supporting Israel. Remember how in the week after Oct 7 Biden went to Israel and was greeted as a hero with more support there than Netanyahu? Remember how prior to Oct. 7 they were talking about ousting Netanyahu altogether (and don't forget, he was charged with crimes and headed to trial) until this crisis averted an immediate election and change in government.

The plan was that Netanyahu would then wantonly kill Palestinians, and then there would be condemnation of Netanyahu's overreaction in the eyes of the Western world, and it opened the door for unrest within the US as we and the world reacted in horror at Israel's invasion, stirring up millennia-old antisemitism. In steps Khalil at Columbia, an Ivy with a significant Jewish student body, to stir up protests and anti-American and specifically anti-Democratic sentiment (see: "Genocide Joe"). The well-planned Muslim reaction went exactly as hoped: Muslims in America turned on Biden and then Kamala at precisely the critical moment. Swing-state Michigan, trending Democratic, immediately collapsed. One swing state was down almost a year before a single ballot was cast.

So now, of course, Trump gets to look like a tough guy bringing the whole situation under control and gets to engage in fascist round-ups of Palestinian activists. And it's at this point that I suspect you, R44, will point out that we're supporting Trump's fascism by feeling and saying "good" to this charade. The problem is that we could see the entire mess in advance, watched it play out in slow motion despite screaming at the Gaza children and Muslims in Michigan that they were being used as pawns, and despite decades of Democratic support, they were turning on their friends at precisely the wrong moment.

I am pissed at Muslims in America. They seized a tiny amount of power and proceeded to turn on the only people in this country willing to give them a hand, and it cost us dearly. We should have known when they took over the Hamtramck city government and immediately banned the rainbow flag in public spaces, cluing us in that their loyalties are, shall we say, fleeting. So forgive me if I don't wring my hands over the violation of an immigrant's rights when my own rights are threatened as well — thanks to him and the community that supported him.

And yeah, I'm familiar with the maxim that we all hang together or we all hang alone. Tell that to Khalil, the Ivy league Gaza children, and the Muslims in Michigan, all of whom had a far greater impact on this situation than any of we activists who spent the better part of a year futilely begging them to look at the bigger picture. There's another maxim at play here: with friends like this, who needs enemies?

^Total speculation with zero evidence.

[quote] There is a law that specifically makes support for terrorist organizations grounds for deportation of a visa or green card holder.

What law is that? I have not seen it mentioned in any press reports I have read.

There is a law that makes it illegal for ANYONE to “provide material support or resources” to designated terror organizations, but not simply to speak out in favor of the same cause as a terrorist organization.

Even if Khalid did violate that law, he is entitled to a trial and can only have his green card revoked if he is convicted at that trial.

You better start caring because this is gonna to end up on your doorstep. They’re are taking a page out of Putin’s playbook. Project 2025 has it how they are going to skiff due process. You’ll be brought up on fake charges. They just came out and found that gay groups are now under investigation by the CIA.

We’re going to hear more and more about being going missing.

[quote]Anyone who dares defend Palestinians, even if you are a Palestinian, will be arrested

😂😂😂

[quote] We’re going to hear more and more about being going missing.

Hopefully all of them.

Chilling.

Ok, R64: what evidence would convince you that this is exactly what happened? Although I'll admit I don't think we're going to get any confessions from Khalil (well, from him, none willingly), Trump, Netanyahu, Putin, Muslims, or any of the Ivy-Gaza children.

[Quote] There is a law that specifically makes support for terrorist organizations grounds for deportation of a visa or green card holder.

One would actually have to give material support, not just mentioning the names of terrorists positively.

Plus, no white supremacy groups are officially listed as terrorist groups. Interesting that it’s only reserved for Brown people

Oh my, this is bad. I wonder what the Columbia maintenance worker who was held hostage for a few days by woke anti Israel protestors thinks about this. Especially since DA Alvin Bragg refused to prosecute the kidnapper/false imprisoner.

zzzzzz r74

R74 you mean this guy? 😂😂😂

[quote] began at approximately 12:30 a.m

[quote] The worker exited the building at around 12:40 a.m.

10 minutes ≠ “a few days” girl sorry. You’re hysterical.

[quote] Plus, no white supremacy groups are officially listed as terrorist groups.

Maybe because being assholes is not terrorism.

Commit vandalism and assault -> repeatedly told to leave -> refuse to leave -> cry victim when consequences rain down. Repeat, repeat.

R73 wants to turn this into a racist discussion so he can feel he wins!

white supremacy groups aren't usually green card holders and it's not working for a foreign group or government.

You didn't win - put your race card back into your pocket for some other time you have no rebuttal and just want to claim moral superiority.

If he had behaved himself, he could be a porter for the new futureTrump Plaza hotel on the Gaza beachfront.

He's not a student anymore right? He got his Masters in International Affairs in December. Columbia did NOT penalize him or prevent him from getting his degree.

R63 gets it. Bravo.

None of these terrorist sympathizers should be in the US. Send them all back to their Islamic shitholes.

Supporting the existence of your own country and hoping your people don’t get ethnically cleansed doesn’t automatically make one a terrorist

R84, the claim is not that he is a terrorist. The evidence shows that he’s a Palestinian supporter who acted on it to support antisemitism and that is what has caused the State Department to act to revoke his privileges.

“to support antisemitism and pro-Palestinian terrorism”

R84 - right - that's all he did - lawful, peaceful protests. Jesus - some of you will support anyone and downplay their actions to just 'patriotism'.

Smashing windows and taking over a building - and other actions during protests - these are crimes. In terms of his involvement with Hamas - that's yet to be proven. But committing small crimes can still lead to deportation.

If you're a resident, non-citizen of another country, you need to watch what you're doing - the same goes for US citizens abroad.

I saw the filthy Nazi trolls have infested this thread to cheer-lead this Soviet crap.

Death to all of you.

R73, you’re incorrect.

8 USC 1772 makes clear that any alien who “endorses or espouses terrorist activity or persuades others to endorse or espouse terrorist activity or support a terrorist organization” is deportable.

There is no requirement of “material support”. In fact, there’s a whole laundry list of conduct in that statute which makes a resident alien subject to deportation, and Khalil’s acts arguably fall within multiple categories.

Why do you think that someone should be able to come to our country as a guest, and then agitate against our government, destroy property, support terrorists, and persecute a religious minority — and be allowed to stay? Would you go to, say, France or Germany and try that?

R88 has no rebuttal or anything- so everyone who doesn't agree with him is a NAZI!

Grow the fuck up - or I'll take away your driving privileges for a week. Act like a child - get treated like a child.

[Quote] the claim is not that he is a terrorist. The evidence shows that he’s a Palestinian supporter who acted on it to support antisemitism and that is what has caused the State Department to act to revoke his privileges.

Wrong. The claim is that he supports terrorism

[Quote] Why do you think that someone should be able to come to our country as a guest, and then agitate against our government, destroy property, support terrorists, and persecute a religious minority — and be allowed to stay? Would you go to, say, France or Germany and try that?

He didn’t destroy property. He just spoke. Even guests in the country have freedom of speech

This is all a show for wealthy Jews, so Trump will get their financial support. Jews are a tiny minority but Trump has given speech after speech demanding their support.

[Quote] Commit vandalism and assault -> repeatedly told to leave -> refuse to leave -> cry victim when consequences rain down. Repeat, repeat.

How does this apply to him. He didn’t commit vandalism and assault

[Quote] There is no requirement of “material support”. In fact, there’s a whole laundry list of conduct in that statute which makes a resident alien subject to deportation, and Khalil’s acts arguably fall within multiple categories.

He spoke at rallies supporting Columbia divest funding from Israel. Is speech in that laundry list? Just supporting Palestinians makes one a terrorist?

R95: To the Nazi trolls and unfortunately a few real DL dipshits, yes.

The fact is this, there is no reason to deport this person. PERIOD. And anyone who says there is deserves everything this administration does to them next. You defend this, it will continue down the line with the next group and the next group to be rounded up and disappeared. And eventually you and I will be in the next group.

This needs to be stopped NOW.

R96 - I warned you about calling everyone Nazis when you don't get your way.

2 weeks - no driving privileges! You're going to have to walk to school then or hitch a ride with your friends.

Is there any clarity on what crime he’s even being charged with?

R98, he has not been charged with a crime. He has not been arrested; he was taken away by ICE. Columbia never accused him of committing a crime. They did threaten to withhold his diploma on the basis of his posting activity, but he had competent legal representation and they backed down.

He's a permanent resident. He has the right to say whatever he wants. Or, you'd think so, if you read the Constitution.

First they came for Hammas supporters and I said nothing....

[quote] First they came for Hammas supporters and I said nothing....

If people properly cheer this happening to terrorist supporters, that’s not really saying nothing.

R99 in that case what’s their justification (if they have one) for saying his green card is revoked? I’m not assuming they have any justification, just trying to understand this story and why Trump is going after this guy specifically, he was obviously not the only protest organizer

We should ask him if he supports the Trans!

That way the Kampus Keffiyeh Karens' heads will explode!

Obviously I do not think this is just but it’s very hard to understand why someone actively worked to defeat the campaign ticket that would have prevented their deportation.

R89

Here is the text of the statute you claim to be citing in support of your argument. It does not say what you claim.

8 U.S.C. § 1772 - U.S. Code - Unannotated Title 8. Aliens and Nationality § 1772. International cooperation

Current as of January 01, 2024 | Updated by FindLaw Staff

(a)International electronic data system

The Secretary of State and the Commissioner of Immigration and Naturalization, in consultation with the Assistant to the President for Homeland Security, shall jointly conduct a study of the alternative approaches (including the costs of, and procedures necessary for, each alternative approach) for encouraging or requiring Canada, Mexico, and countries treated as visa waiver program countries under section 217 of the Immigration and Nationality Act to develop an intergovernmental network of interoperable electronic data systems that--

(1) facilitates real-time access to that country's law enforcement and intelligence information that is needed by the Department of State and the Immigration and Naturalization Service to screen visa applicants and applicants for admission into the United States to identify aliens who are inadmissible or deportable under the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. 1101 et seq.);

(2) is interoperable with the electronic data system implemented under section 1722 of this title; and

(3) performs in accordance with implementation of the technology standard referred to in section 1722(a) of this title.

(b)Report

Not later than 1 year after May 14, 2002, the Secretary of State and the Attorney General shall submit to the appropriate committees of Congress a report setting forth the findings of the study conducted under subsection (a).

Isn't it kind of strange to be in a country on a green card and, for months, lead radical campus protests against the country's financial support of an ally who was the victim of a horrific terrorist attack? Notice in all of the anti-Israel/pro-Palestinian protests, there was no mention of Hamas' rapes, murders of women and children, murders of parents in front of their children, burning people alive, beheadings, the taking of hostages, torturing hostages, and filming it all while laughing. And no mention of the fact that many Palestinians civilians helped terrorists abduct victims or that Hamas then embedded themselves among civilian populations to ensure many Palestinians would die in the war. No outrage at all about horrific atrocities and war crimes.

I hope they find legitimate illegalities that will get this guy and anyone like him out of our country.

Judge blocks this.

[quote]U.S. District Judge Jesse M. Furman said Khalil is to remain in the United States "to preserve the court's jurisdiction" as the court weighs a filing challenging his arrest and planned deportation. A detention hearing was scheduled for Wednesday.

[quote] U.S. District Judge Jesse M. Furman said Khalil is to remain in the United States

It’s ironic that it’s a judge who is Jewish who is protecting a man who is anti-Israel.

R109, that’s an antisemitic trope.

Blocked for now, R108. The deportation can still go through, and I hope it does.

[quote]The deportation can still go through, and I hope it does.

I do, too.

It’s a terrible legal precedent and I hope his lawyers can stop it.

That having been said I hope this is a wakeup call to communities who worked to “send a message to the Democrats” instead of preventing fascism right here in the U.S.: TRUMP AND HIS NAZI FOLLOWERS HATE YOU AND ALWAYS WILL. “Both sides are equally bad” is a preposterous lie and if you buy it there is nothing Dems can do to help you.

I love how MAGAs always characterize the protests as “radical.”

I am a Zionist and I opposed Columbia’s indulgence of the encampment, but I fail to see what is “radical” about protesting civilian casualties in Gaza.

[quote] It’s ironic that it’s a judge who is Jewish who is protecting a man who is anti-Israel.

Maybe he drew from his understanding of Jewish persecution to realize that all peoples shouldn’t be persecuted for their political beliefs.

The idea that a Jewish judge would not follow the law because the detainee is a Palestinian is offensive.

R113 I believe a message is being sent to Dems and the GOP and the American people. I expect a lot of support for unloading even legal immigrants who are in violation of this or that.

Many will think that is long over due.

This is what losing a very important election looks like. Folks need to be prepared for more of this not less.

[quote] The idea that a Jewish judge would not follow the law because the detainee is a Palestinian is offensive.

So far no one has suggested that.

The American people support fascism if they think the out groups are annoying.

The bootlicking cunts on this thread are either bullshitters or won't believe that they're next.

R118 I believe R109 did, or at least expressed surprise that the judge that did so was Jewish.

Better a “bootlicker” than a terrorist cocksucker.

[quote] I believe [R109] did, or at least expressed surprise that the judge that did so was Jewish.

You’ll need to explain your reading comprehension problem, because it doesn’t say that at all.

[quote] Better a “bootlicker” than a terrorist cocksucker.

Soon to appear on MAGA merch

Okay, r122. Then please explain what is “ironic” about a Jewish judge following the law?

R122 they said:

“ It’s ironic that it’s a judge who is Jewish who is protecting a man who is anti-Israel.”

Ironic in this instance meaning unforseen, unexpected, unusual. Therefore that commenter is expressing that it’s unexpected that a judge would protect someone who is anti-Israel > that commenter is surprised by this behaviour. Idk what's complicated for you. I will allow that it’s not entirely explicit, but this is (if not the most, then among) the most reasonable take. What’s your version of that comment out of interest?

[quote]Better a “bootlicker” than a terrorist cocksucker.

These are the options?

Protesting is not a crime.

Supporting Hamas is not a crime.

The guy's views may be batshit crazy, but he's no criminal. The state can't simply revoke his residency status because his beliefs conflict with those of The Fat Man. That's not how laws work.

Kristi Noem isn't waging some crafty war against the Hamas. She didn't arrest this guy to make a point.

The bitch is incompetent, and bungled this one. She has no idea what federal immigration laws are. She's a witless plastic pawn of MAGA. And she's a homewrecking slut, too.

The resentful cunts that make up the Klan Grannies are so bored and have it so good and are so empty that they only thing that will give them a boner is cruetly. They don't care if the USA becomes no better than Fascist Italy, no better than 1999-era Russia. As long as people they hate suffer and they can watch, they're happy.

R125, I meant from the POV of the Hamas supporter and other anti-Israel people. The same as it would be if a klansmen had a black judge who applied the law properly and therefore went against the defendant’s beliefs and stereotypes.

Some people do not understand what “ironic’ means and think it is a synonym for “interesting.”

We see this confusion in action here.

R130 can’t read your mind babe.

R131 unfortunately have to take that into account as common use when you’re parsing what someone means when they use it.

You don’t need to be convicted of a crime to be subject to deportation.

When you are a green card or visa holder, you are still an alien. You are a guest of your host country and don’t have all the rights of a citizen yet. You are expected to be on good behavior. Otherwise you will be told to leave.

[quote]The Secretary of State has made the government policy clear and put terrorist supporters on notice.

Good, fine. Now can he do the same to all of the fu*king RUSSIAN SYMPATHIZERS swarming our country?? Including himself.

[quote] You don’t need to be convicted of a crime to be subject to deportation.

Actually R133, if you’re a green card holder, you do. Where on earth would you get the idea that you wouldn’t?

R133 you are mistaken. Green card holders and visa holders are not similarly situation.

Green card holders have all the constitutional protections as citizens. The only exception here is an obscure statutory provision giving the Sec of State the right to deport green card holders under a very limited circumstance, which as far as we know does not apply in this instance. That statute is being hijacked by Trump for purely political purposes.

This is a disgusting and dangerous act. Hating Hamas doesn't change the fact that this is disgusting and dangerous. Loving Israel doesn't change the fact that this is disgusting and dangerous. Caring about Jewish students doesn't change the fact that this is disgusting and dangerous.

The fact that so many DLers can't see how disgusting and dangerous this is, is a very bad sign for the many assaults on our liberties that will be coming from this administration. Including assaults on gay rights.

Palestinians seem to love to fuck around and find out. They cause trouble wherever they go across the world.

Mohamed is Syrian, not Palestinian

[quote] The bitch is incompetent, and bungled this one. She has no idea what federal immigration laws are. She's a witless plastic pawn of MAGA. And she's a homewrecking slut, too.

And a puppy killer!

[quote] You don’t need to be convicted of a crime to be subject to deportation. When you are a green card or visa holder, you are still an alien. You are a guest of your host country and don’t have all the rights of a citizen yet. You are expected to be on good behavior. Otherwise you will be told to leave.

That may be what MAGA thinks the law should be.

It is not what the law is. The Constitution protects everyone in America, citizens, permanent residents and visitors.

[quote]The Constitution protects everyone in America, citizens, permanent residents and visitors.

The solution is to stop allowing terrorist sympathizers to enter the country in the first place.

[quote] Mohamed is Syrian, not Palestinian

He is a Palestinian refugee from Syria.

There is no evidence that he is a “terrorist sympathizer” just because he was protesting the war in Gaza.

MAGAs are tossing around “terrorist” today just as their predecessors tossed around “communist” in the Cold War. A handy excuse to persecute people and silence them because MAGAs do not support the American constitution.

[quote]The solution is to stop allowing terrorist sympathizers to enter the country in the first place.

Cool. I'd be happy to throw out every right-wing Israel fanatic in Brighton Beach. They all came here in the 80s and live off food stamps and insurance fraud.

THANK YOU, R47!

Who here doesn’t LOATHE Hamas? Who here doesn’t empathize with what these Israeli hostages & their families have gone through? Yesterday, I read an article that pointed out that on the day of the initial attacks, Hamas murdered several people in their respective Kibbutzim, and then decided to take their dead bodies into Gaza, hence withholding and denying their families to adhere to their Jewish burial practices. Can you imagine something like this? You have to be the biggest POS on the planet todo something so disgusting and egregious.

No one is siding with Hamas. We all know they’re savages worthy of death.

With the above stated, why is this man being singled out and also being denied his civil rights as a permanent, American resident? Is it because he’s harming Jews by protesting something Jews vehemently disavow? So why aren’t all of the Nazi fuckwits not being arrested as well? Why aren’t men & women throwing the Seig Heil not arrested? And don’t use the excuse about them being Americans, because we have no proof they are or aren’t.

Wanna know why they’re not arrested? Because it’s their constitutional right to protest, even on a manner that we all find vile and incongruent to our own values.

If they can successfully usher this man into detention and extradition without due process, then they can do it to pretty much anyone. That’s the truth, & I’m appalled that so many here are defending this bullshit.

My response was meant for R137, not R47.

Apologies.

At this point there is no evidence on the record that this man has anything to do with Hamas. I don’t know one way or the other and probably neither do you.

Protesting against the death of civilians in Gaza does not require endorsing Hamas and is not equivalent to supporting Hamas. Certainly not providing material support or resources to Hamas, which is the only possible criminal charge.

[quote] There is no evidence that he is a “terrorist sympathizer”

Has there been a denial that he is a Hamas supporter?

Well stated, R148.

Thank you for pointing this out.

They can review his green card application and if he lied on anything...they can get him that way. It's a federal crime.

Does there have to be, r149? Are you advocating arrest first then make someone prove they have not broken the law. I can see how that might be very appealing to a MAGA who imagines their very narrow victory is going to translate into permanent power, but if I were you, I wouldn’t be so quick to eviscerate the rule of law. You may need it yourself in the not too distant future.

R143 Palestinians are, generally, a stateless people of a vast diaspora. It's an ethnicity in many cases, rather than a legal citizenship status. The Palestinian Authority issues passports to citizens of those territories, but a great many ethnic Palestinians are citizens of other countries (Israel, Jordan, Syria, the United States, etc.), and they'd have a passport from the country of their citizenship.

It sounds like this guy is an ethnic Palestinian holding Syrian citizenship.

If you're cool with the federal government doing this to someone, imagine President AOC with the same power.

Of course, she has morals and ethics and would follow the law. But imagine what your cartoon version of her would do.

“Khalil was one of the leaders of the Columbia Palestinian protest movement that arose after the October 7th Hamas attack on Israel. His politics are not my politics, so I want to be careful in how I describe him: In his private behavior and public statements Khalil tried to stay just this side of respectability: He did not participate in the encampments; he dutifully decried antisemitism; he claimed that both Palestinians and Jews were oppressed by the state of Israel.”

Or r114, the judge is following the law.

From link at r155:

By the by: You know why Trump arrested Mahmoud Khalil first? Precisely because he’s not the most sympathetic figure. His views are bigoted and extreme. I certainly don’t want to be in the business of defending him.

But that’s the thing about freedom: You have to defend it for everyone, or it applies to no one.

And Trump knows that. The idea is that you go after Mahmoud Khalil today so that you can go after Mark Kelly tomorrow.

That’s what happens in authoritarian states.

If you’re going to resist, you have to defend everyone. Even people whom you disagree with. I don’t like Mahmoud Khalil, but there is no evidence—or even allegation—that he broke any law. The government has announced no legal grounds for detaining him. And if we don’t stand up for his rights, then no one’s rights are safe.

I mean… even the loathsome Ann Coulter pointed out that, while she disagrees vehemently with Khalil, this was a violation of Khalil’s rights.

R158 Before she was a skeletal cunt, Ann Coulter was actually a rather sharp lawyer.

It’s funny, so many commenters keep assuring us that he’s bigoted, or supports such and such, yet nobody has produced any direct evidence of that. Im still waiting on a video link that R40 said exists evidencing this, surely it wouldnt be so difficult to provide?

Do any of the people saying he’s a bigot have any evidence?

The distance between our government doing this and our government kidnapping, disappearing or killing any of us native born citizens for being gay is very small.

That’s not close to reality.

R161 not really at all unless gay men are seen as a threat to the majority of americans.. And you know how that could easily happen?

Infectious disease

Even then there would be no kidnapping , disappearing, killing. That is silly and q like thinking.

You type like an hysteric. Take your anxiety meds.

Over the top commentary with no factual support is not a good look on anyone. Here on DL, it is also deadly dull.

Trump’s young blonde round-faced Press Sec just gave a press statement and said he was arrested for distributing pro-Hamas flyers on the Columbia campus. Quote, “with the Hamas logo.”

She did not have a flyer to show, but claimed that she thought about bringing them, and that they’re on her office desk.

Interestingly, he hasn’t been charged with anything.

Apparently, ICE went to arrest him to take away his student visa. When they found out he had permanent residency, the commander just said, we’re taking away your green card—which it is dramatically more difficult to take away a green card.

This is a freedom of speech issued. Trump just doesn’t like what this guy said and want to use him as an example to Jewish donors that he really, really cares

One answer provided:

[quote] Government officials have told reporters that Khalil’s green card was revoked under a provision of the Immigration and Nationality Act that authorizes the secretary of state to expel an “alien whose presence or activities in the United States the Secretary of State has reasonable ground to believe would have potentially serious adverse foreign policy consequences for the United States.”

This justification is so weak it supports my theory that the arrested him by mistake (not realizing he had a green card) and proceeded rather than admit their error.

The man is Palestinian. If your people were being killed off and your homeland being ripped away, what would you do? Praise the aggressor?

Who cares if he’s a bigot?

r101 you missed the reference.

The excuse given in r169 would justify expelling the leader of a revolutionary movement or a former dictator evading international arrest. Not a student protestor.

R167 don’t be absurd. It was quit intentional. Part and parcel of trying to kill any fed funding at Columbia. This is not about anti-semitism. This is about revenge on Trump’s opponents. He was singled out because his views are very unpopular—a test case, ahead of going after more sympathetic opponents…to scare them away from fighting back harder.

quite*

[Quote] whose presence or activities in the United States the Secretary of State has reasonable ground to believe would have potentially serious adverse foreign policy consequences for the United State

How would a protest at Columbia Univ have any serious adverse foreign policy consequences for the US. Utter nonsense that the dictator wants to use to justify this guy’s arrest.

[quote] whose presence or activities in the United States the Secretary of State has reasonable ground to believe would have potentially serious adverse foreign policy consequences for the United State

We had this exact argument 200 years ago, which I suspect is going to be a running theme in this administration. This was originally called the Alien and Sedition Acts, instituted by John Adams, and his own vice president Jefferson hated them and even encouraged various states to refuse to enforce them. Eventually, Adams lost, Jefferson won, and the Acts were allowed to die and all the victims were pardoned. It seemed like the issue was settled then, but I guess not.

If I were Prince Harry or Meghan, I would not be pleased to learn of that statute.

[quote]Over the top commentary with no factual support is not a good look on anyone.

You're new here, aren't you

No.

Screaming know-nothing queens do stick in my. craw…I don’t enjoy histrionics.

No, R136, you are mistaken.

A green card holder is afforded constitutional protections like due process, but they absolutely ARE DEPORTABLE for committing conduct like Khalil’s.

Moreover, there is nothing “obscure” about the statue being relied upon. It is the section of the US Code which addresses conduct that may subject an alien like Khalil to deportation. That conduct includes advocating for a terrorist organization.

Getting a green card does not mean that you have the same rights as a citizen. You CAN have the privilege of residency taken away for conduct that would not rise to the level of criminal liability.

Moreover, Khalil and the group he leads (Columbia University Apartheid Divest) have repeatedly engaged in criminal activity, including trespassing, destruction of property, false imprisonment, assault, and more. His group advocates for the “total eradication of Western civilization” and violence as “the only path forward”. That’s in their platform.

I don’t even understand how someone could have absolute gall to go to someone else’s country, take advantage of every advantage they have to offer, and then cause mayhem like this. But even more unbelievable to me, R136, is that people like you look at a piece of shit like him and take his side. WTF.

Let's be very clear about this. We do not give free speech rights to residents as some kind of silly little favor, easily revoked when our mood changes.

We believe in free speech as a concept. We don't believe our government and its policies are sacred and above and beyond all criticism as some kind of patriotic duty. And we certainly don't believe any foreign government is some sacred being that must be honored and loved and cherished. We believe in the right to criticize ALL governments, including our own, as a principle. Well, most of us do. Some of course don't anymore, but if they win this argument, we will all lose out. Bigly.

R136 you don’t read very well do you? Cited the relevant statute didn’t I? And then I noted there’s not a shred of evidence that the statutory exception applies—if it did exist, the government would have disclosed it rather than secret him away in the dead of night..

Your entire second para is made-up bullshit. Take that bullshit and fuck off. Last word: you’re an asshole bigot, ignorant of the most basic rules of 1st Amendment law…I guess you failed your 8th grade Government class.

For R179*

R179 Are you a MAGA illiterate, or just a drunken unemployed moron? Or is there a difference at all?

This man has committed no crime. He has in no way violated the terms of his permanent residency status. He is free to advocate for whoever the hell he chooses, up to and including Hamas.

If your bogus claims were true, and he were personally responsible for those crimes, then there’d be an arrest record to prove it. But there’s not. He’s not a terrorist, or a violent criminal, or a bona fide threat to national security.

The Fat Man has zero legal grounds for ordering his removal, and this case wouldn’t last 30 seconds in a courtroom.

Kristi’s goon squads are apparently as witless and clumsy as her plastic surgeon. Dumb cunt.

Fourth full para*

Khalil is Syrian, R153. “Palestinian” is not an ethnicity. The people you might consider “ethnic” Palestinians are really Arabs, and Arabs are not indigenous to the Levant. They are indigenous to Arabia.

(Often their last names give this away. A common Palestinian last name is Al-Masri, which translates to “the Egyptian”.)

He did grow up in a Palestinian refugee camp. FYI. Makes no difference to the blatant bikation of his constitutional rights.

violation^

At this point, Palestinian is an ethnicity. Like EVERY FUCKING ETHNICITY in the world, it is a somewhat arbitrary designation for a group of people that we have decided to join together into a particular group. In this case, it signifies the Arabs who happened to be living in the area now known as Israel when we, collectively more or less, decided that Israel needs to be a nation again, after some 2500 years of not being a nation.

R181, you didn’t cite any statute. What are you talking about? You’re completely out of your depth.

The relevant provisions aren’t statutory “exceptions”. They affirmatively establish grounds for deportation, including (among many other things), advocacy and persuasion in support of terrorist groups.

Why don’t you just admit you have a soft spot for people who hate Jews, so we can stop this charade?

You really are an asshole at this point. The provision is in a separate act, distinct from general immigration law. It is an exception enforceable only by the Secy of State, who otherwise has no particular role in enforcing generally applicable immigration statutes. Again, fuck off.

“The only exception here is an obscure statutory provision giving the Sec of State the right to deport green card holders under a very limited circumstance, which as far as we know does not apply in this instance.”

Again, you are out of your depth. The statute is the Immigration and Nationality Act. It is the centerpiece of immigration law in the US and has nothing to do with the Secretary of State’s discretion. I don’t know what source you’re reading to convince you of what you’re saying, but it’s wrong.

Anyway, your use of ad hominem attacks and impotent outbursts is proof that you’ve got nothing. Take a time out, please, and stop spreading misinformation. And maybe ask yourself how your moral and ethical compass got so out of whack that you’re twisting yourself into knots to keep a Hamas supporter in our country.

How long is the poster going to continue to rant that practically speaking the Constitution does not apply to people he doesn’t like or whose viewpoint he rejects. There has been no crime committed, no judge has made any required determination, nor has substantive or procedural due process been applied. Why do you hate America so much that you’d sacrifice the 1st, 5th, 6th and 14th Amendments just because you can’t tolerate a single prick mouthing off about Palestine. You’re weak, and sad.

[quote]R155 he dutifully decried antisemitism

Hard to believe this is true. Is there proof?

[quote]I mean… even the loathsome Ann Coulter pointed out that, while she disagrees vehemently with Khalil, this was a violation of Khalil’s rights.

Predictable. She's anti-semitic. She was bound to assume the best about this guy.

Got it r193. Every single right depends on your particular opinion about the opinion in question. Great, thanks.

In all the supposed wonderfulness of this man with a green card conducting radical protests in our country, did he ever condemn Hamas atrocities or call for them to release the hostages? Haven't seen that mentioned.

The only acceptable viewpoint is MY viewpoint!

That’s some constitutional standard you’ve got there. Oy.

No idea r195. Should people be thrown in jail or deported for not demanding the release of hostages now? Is that the country you want to live in?

R195 is that a requirement in order to live in America these days?

I didn't say to throw him in jail, R197. I just asked for evidence that he "dutifully decried anti-semitism". Maybe he did...I'd just like to read it.

People who are guests in a country should be on their best behavior, not holding rallies in support of foreign terrorist organizations.

No, R198, but it would add credibility to the claim that he "dutifully decried anti-semitism".

That’s not how the 1st Amendment works.

Again r200, we do NOT ask people to worship our government or support all of its policies without question, and certainly don't ask that of foreign governments like the Israeli Government, and we specifically don't do that for very good reasons, not as some favor to the little people.

R200 he’s not a visitor. He’s a permanent resident. He pays federal state and local taxes. He has the same right to protected speech as any citizen.

He’s nothing if not consistently vindictive and petty. Let the nation collapse into chaos as long as he gets to take his revenge out on his enemies. Please let him have a massive stroke. Though I’m afraid that Vance will be even easier to control.

I’ve read more about this now. This guy specifically did not participate in the encampments at Columbia. He gave speeches and organized some student/faculty talks that all seem like quite generic “free both Israel and Palestine” stuff. What exactly has he done that is “material support” to Hamas?

I still don't understand the argument against the right to deport this person. R179 explains it plainly. Khalil was on the CUAD negotiating team, an organization that, according to the NYT last October, supports armed resistance by Hamas. Individuals who support or represent groups endorsing terrorism are deportable.

The hearing is today, so we'll see. This explains more:

[quote]The Immigration and Nationality Act states “an alien whose presence or activities in the United States the Secretary of State has reasonable ground to believe would have potentially serious adverse foreign policy consequences for the United States is deportable.” The term “alien” refers to anyone who isn’t a citizen or national of the United States.

(Here's the NYT article without the paywall.)

Name a single potentially adverse foreign policy consequence caused by his presence or action. They can’t, because there are none. That’s why that power of the Sscy of Staye is never used.

That power of the Secy of Stste is not unlimited. His power is limited by the constitution like any other officer acting pursuant to statute. The Bill of Rights, in particular the 1stA, and the 14thA, still apply.

There is no evidence that he’s an anti-Semite. He’s anti-Israeli aggression in the West Bank—that’s hardly anti-semitism.

Plus being anti-Semitic isn’t a crime. All he did was speak against the war. He committed no violence.

He is being disappeared because of his speech and to make an example of him.

If they could have arrested him for an actual crime, they would have charged him already.

They haven’t charged him with anything.

In the end it’s going to be a common nonsense charge like disturbing the peace and resisting arrest

[Quote] Khalil was on the CUAD negotiating team, an organization that, according to the NYT last October, supports armed resistance by Hamas

Supports it how? If it just says “we support Hamas,” that’s not a crime.

Being on the negotiating team for an organization that had 100s of people in it — none of the rest of whom have been charged with any act of domestic terrorism — does not constitute “material support”. Again material support is the legal standard here. Speech does not count.

If he gave a cup of water to a Hamas member they can legally deport him. But it has to be something material, and so far none of the folks so eager to ship him out have produced anything material. This is another example of Trumpers smashing and grabbing to do something racist without considering the legal consequences. If they were smarter they could do these things in a foolproof legal way, but they’re not smart.

True r215, and when they are smart, they're impatient. And I suspect that comes right from Trump. He probably woke up one day shrieking about those fucking protesters and asking everyone why the hell somebody wasn't deported yet? Like today!!! Like right now!!! Find somebody to arrest and deport right now so I can do some stupid fucking tweet about it!

Where’s r179 now?

R216 I believe you’re right although I’m not sure why Trump’s so mad at the protestors since they were a major factor in helping win him the election. Guess I have to assume he’s either appeasing his right-wing Netanyahu government buddies or his racism against Muslims is so deep in him he doesn’t care if they helped him or not. Or both.

It’s revenge. It’s to hurt academia, universities, etc. HIS enemies.

They can’t justify this arrest. (More like a disappearance). They acted way too quickly to make some sort of point and the courts are slapping them back.

It remains to be seen if they will listen to the courts.

Makes you wonder how easily they'll get away with this once they start doing it to people who aren't politically connected or media-savvy.

That’s the goal. Anti-semitism has nothing to do with it. Hell, he hired an anti-Semite as Defense Dept. deputy press secy.

At the hearing a few hours ago, the government, apparently frustrated by the current judge’s commitment to “the law,” claimed that the case should be transferred to New Jersey or Louisiana, although there’s no reason to do so. The government has not provided any evidence against Khalil. In fact, there’s no proof that ICE had a warrant to arrest him.

Send him back to Palestine. If she loves him, pregnant wife will follow.

Why don't you go back to wherever you came from, R255? You clearly hate this country and its freedoms so fuck the fuck off.

They haven’t even charged him with a crime yet. This is disgusting

Marco Rubio explains it all for you...

R228 and it’s all word salad. He’s making up BS because he knows he made a huge mistake arresting this guy and threatening his green card for his speech.

There is no evidence he is some big supporter is HAMAS. They keep trying to paint him with the brush so they can justify arresting him (with no charges, btw). He’s a Palestinian trying to support his own people from being slaughtered and that pisses off Trump, who is desperate for Jewish dollars

[quote]“If you support terrorism, including the slaughtering of innocent men, women, and children, your presence is contrary to our national and foreign policy interests, and you are not welcome here,” Trump said on Truth Social on Monday.

Sounds like the current government doesn't want green card holders who support Hamas. Seems we'd all agree on that even if we agree with them on nothing else.

R230 we’d agree if the government could present any material evidence that the guy ever “supported Hamas”. Where are these so-called flyers with Hamas logo on them? Did he send Hamas money? The government has presented nothing because he did nothing.

I honestly think they may have mixed up names, accidentally arrested a guy they didn’t intend to (which would explain the visa/green card mixup) and now won’t admit they were wrong.

R230, people can think and say what they want. They can even HAND OUT PRINTED LEAFLETS, although there’s no evidence that he did that. Rubio is claiming that this guy somehow has endangered the national security of the U.S. Let’s see if he any evidence backing that up.

Otherwise this is just embarrassing.

if there's one thing that makes me feel safe as a Jew, it's people with unpopular political opinions getting abducted by the government

[quote] France has been clamping down on Muslim immigrants espousing hate speech and actions against the French government and Jews and Gays, etc

I guarantee you, hate speech against “Gays, etc” does not come into it a skerrick compared to anti-Government actions.

[quote]R232 people can think and say what they want. They can even HAND OUT PRINTED LEAFLETS, although there’s no evidence that he did that. Rubio is claiming that this guy somehow has endangered the national security of the U.S. Let’s see if he any evidence backing that up.

He was the mediator of agitators on campus who had set up an illegal encampment which blocked students from attending class or going to areas of the school they needed to be in, and who were illegally occupying/vandalizing university buildings and intimidating/frightening Jewish students. This isn't peaceful protesting or an example of political free speech. He was pressuring the university to give in to the his group's demands by threatening them with further damage to the campus. Extortion isn't free speech. The U.S. government has the authority to deport "aliens" with green cards to ensure the security of U.S. citizens. This guy's (19!) attorneys will try to exploit our free speech rights, but it's their client's actions that have gotten him into trouble. Even a citizen would be prosecuted for this behavior. His green card status will get him deported if the judge follows our immigration laws, especially given the pro-terrorism ideology behind his "demands".

Mr. Khalil has not faced any criminal charges, and deportation proceedings are a civil, not criminal, matter. In arresting Mr. Khalil and working to remove him from the United States, Mr. Rubio is relying on a provision of the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952 that gives him sweeping power to expel foreigners.

The provision says that any “alien whose presence or activities in the United States the secretary of state has reasonable ground to believe would have potentially serious adverse foreign policy consequences for the United States is deportable.”

from NYTimes

[quote]I guarantee you, hate speech against “Gays, etc” does not come into it a skerrick compared to anti-Government actions.

R234 is correct. The Trump administration supports and approves hate speech against gays.

R235 if that’s the case, then why has he never been charged, not then and not now? Extortion—you sound off. Hell what you describe is an average day in IvalbOffice.

Fuck off, Hamas plant.

[quote]if that’s the case, then why has he never been charged, not then and not now?

They have him detained now. Maybe they needed time to gather evidence and figure out what he was directly involved with, and why he's been in the country for only two years yet lead radical political protests (that included "negotiations", unlawful building takeovers, vandalism, threats and intimidation to a minority group, and pro-Hamas propaganda) for the past year and a half. Who knows. We'll find out in time.

WHY isn't Rashida Tlaib DOING SOMETHING!

WHY isn't AOC DOING SOMETHING!

We need FRESH BLOOD!

I'm glad I didn't vote!

R240, that's very Russian: "detain" someone then try to figure out what to charge him with.

[quote]that's very Russian: "detain" someone then try to figure out what to charge him with.

I suggested they needed time to gather evidence and figure out his direct involvement *before* detaining him.

And I'm guessing they're waiting to charge him before an immigration judge...but I don't know how any of that works.

R240 that’s not how it works under the US Constitution. Maybe in the Russian Federation, but not here.

I said I was just guessing. Chill out.

R243. And that’s no more sensical than what you wrote the first time. To repeat, he was not and has not been charged with anything—ANYTHING. No evidence, not even a flyer on the press secretary’s desk, has been presented anywhere as a basis for his detention.

R246 I’m guessing you’re an idiot when it comes to understanding the Constitution. For that there is much evidence in your posts above.

Tyrants always go for the most despised first. But they don’t stop there.

Learn from history.

If he were better looking I might support him, but he's not.

This is all fun and games when you hate someone like this anti-Israel protestor and want to see him punished and excoriated.

But it won't be fun and games when it's [bold]you[/bold]. R249 is spot on. This is a test case of someone with a green card who is entitled to the same First Amendment rights as all American citizens.

If Trump we’re really fighting against antisemitism, he would have a Nazi boss.

From the WSJ Editorial Board, which defends his right to due process:

"A green card comes with legal obligations, including the disavowal of terrorism. Under 8 USC 1182, an alien is “inadmissable” if he or she “endorses or espouses terrorist activity or persuades others to endorse or espouse terrorist activity” or is “a representative of . . . a political, social, or other group that endorses or espouses terrorist activity.”

"Mr. Khalil seems to have violated that obligation. He belongs to Columbia University Apartheid Divest (CUAD) and was a lead negotiator during last spring’s anti-Israel encampment on the campus. Those protests glorified Hamas. CUAD was also a key player in the school’s encampment, which was a “Zionist-free zone,” a designation that excluded Jews from a large part of campus."

"In October 2024, CUAD formalized its support for Hamas and again celebrated the Oct. 7, 2023 massacre. In a statement revoking an apology the group had made for the remark of member Khymani James that “Zionists don’t deserve to live,” the group said that apology didn’t represent “CUAD’s values or political lines.” The group added, “We support liberation by any means necessary, including armed resistance.”"

They are trying to say to be opposed to Israel is to be pro-terrorist. That’s some Orwell shit right there.

Call your friend on the Editorial Board and remind them that 8 USC 1182 defines who can get a visa—he passed that test earlier…that section is not relevant at the moment. This is about taking away a duly received visa. And, for that, the government has presented no evidence in any court, nor provided him with due process or right to counsel. Oh, and don’t forget that pesky 1stA. “Membership” is now a basis for stripping constitutional rights…that’s a Russian thing.

duly received green card*

R255, you are correct that the statute defines who is eligible to receive a green card, but is it clear the law has no mechanism to take away a green card from someone who engages in prohibited conduct after getting one? It makes no sense to say if you have done x you cannot be admitted, but if you do x after you come in, you’re golden.

I suppose one could argue that getting a green card is transformative, turning you from a rightless supplicant to a pseudo-citizen, but I would think the law must have a provision to rescind a green card for someone who later engages in conduct that would have blocked them from getting one in the first place. Perhaps with more procedural protections than the initial decision to reflect the rights of a green card holder.

Not to suggest that Trump has properly followed that law

The administration is desperately spinning its wheels because they know they have no proof of their accusations.

Apparently you can just accuse someone of collaborating with a terrorist group and arrest and deport them without any proof.

[Quote] Those protests glorified Hamas. CUAD was also a key player in the school’s encampment, which was a “Zionist-free zone,” a designation that excluded Jews from a large part of campus."

All Bullshit. Those protests did NOT “glorify” Hamas. As for the encampments, lots of Jews participated.

What does “formalize support for Hamas” even mean?

It’s Orwellian doublespeak to pretend he did something illegal.

He spoke, That’s it.

White supremacists marched through Charlottesville yelling “Jews will not replace us.”

Trump glorified them

R253, the WsJ Editorial Board is famous for making up news. Their reasoning is filled with innuendo. Everything they claim is supposedly bad is just speech.

They abso glorified Hamas with their lil scarves and slogans. They smashed and barricaded a building and flew a Hamas flag out the window. Fuck em

^^ Pro war crimes

The WSJ is not making up news. There are some Jews who value their membership in good standing in the progressive community (which is forfeited if they do not denounce the concept of a Jewish homeland) more than they value their Jewish identity or who have some religious or political objection to the existence of Israel. The existence of these people does not justify excluding other Jews who, object to the destruction of Israel which is the goal of the boycott

Really, the argument that “the good Jews” were allowed in so there was no improper exclusion is chilling.

Anybody who is at all supportive of Hamas is also Pro war crimes

What do you think October 7 was?

R263 I don’t suppose you have a photo of this flag do you? Or these scarves. Scarves! How outré.

[Quote] They abso glorified Hamas with their lil scarves and slogans. They smashed and barricaded a building and flew a Hamas flag out the window. Fuck em

“They”? But not him.

Wearing a kaffiyeh scarf is not automatic glorification of Hamas

[Quote] The WSJ is not making up news.

It made up the news that anything this guys did somehow is unlawful

I agree that anyone who supports Hamas supports Hamas’s agenda and tactics which are explicitly genocidal (or at least used to be before they realized how self-defeating it was to be explicit).

But not everyone who opposes the existence of Israel supports Hamas.

[Quote] Really, the argument that “the good Jews” were allowed in so there was no improper exclusion is chilling.

It did not say “No Jews Allowed.” It said “Non Zionists Allows,” you know, the ones who want to ethnically cleanse Gaza

[Quote] Anybody who is at all supportive of Hamas is also Pro war crimes.

Netanyahu is the bigger war criminal here

When I was following Obamacare development news very, very closely for work, I’d read WSJ editorials and be gobsmacked at the shit its commenters would make up about Obamacare.

I’ve never trusted those editorials since

[Quote] Tyrants always go for the most despised first. But they don’t stop there. Learn from history.

Nicely stated. Everyone else thinks they’re safe because they’re not part of those groups…until the tyrants come for them

[quote] It did not say “No Jews Allowed.” It said “Non Zionists Allows,” you know, the ones who want to ethnically cleanse Gaza

You give your hate and prejudice away there. Supporting Israel’s right to exist is NOT endorsing ethnic cleansing in Gaza.

It’s also no secret that most opponents of the existence of Israel have every intention of cheering on “ethnic cleansing” themselves as they’ve been advocating and using force to accomplish since 1948

From Political Wire: This is Fascism…

Twenty years ago, Columbia professor Robert Paxton set out to answer a critical question: What is fascism?

His seminal work, The Anatomy of Fascism, didn’t just define the ideology—it traced how fascist movements emerge, take root, and ultimately gain power.

Perhaps most importantly, Paxton shattered a widely held misconception: Mussolini and Hitler did not simply “seize” power.

Instead, it was conservative elites—desperate to suppress leftist populism—who enabled fascism by normalizing it and inviting its leaders into the political fold.

The masses may have flocked to fascist movements, but it was the elites who elevated them.

Here’s how Paxton defined fascism:

A form of political behavior marked by obsessive preoccupation with community decline, humiliation or victimhood and by compensatory cults of unity, energy and purity, in which a mass-based party of committed nationalist militants, working in uneasy but effective collaboration with traditional elites, abandons democratic liberties and pursues with redemptive violence and without ethical or legal restraints goals of internal cleansing and external expansion.

Sound familiar?

Donald Trump and the movement he leads is consumed with “community decline, humiliation and victimhood.”

Trump’s political machine thrives on a “mass-based party of committed nationalist militants”—from the Proud Boys to the Oath Keepers to Christian nationalists—who operate “in uneasy but effective collaboration with traditional elites.”

His policy agenda — mass deportations, ending birthright citizenship, and dismantling DEI programs — clearly fit the definition of “internal cleansing.”

And his rhetoric — talk of taking over Greenland, Canada, Gaza and the Panama Canal — reflects a desire for “external expansion.”

To be sure, Trump is not Hitler or Mussolini.

But the movement he leads fits — almost perfectly — with a textbook definition of fascism created long before he descended from that Trump Tower elevator in 2015.

I wonder how much credence anyone would give this argument? “We don’t hate Canadians. We just hate peoples who are in favor of the existence of the nation of Canada.”

Speaking of tyrants, R249, how about the Iranian regime?

Do you recall how their Islamic revolution started? With protests and sit-ins on university campuses. Then, as now, leftist/Marxist useful idiots were helpful accomplices to the Islamic revolutionaries in creating mayhem and animus toward the government. Of course, after they overthrew the Shah, the new Islamic Republic purged the university of all the leftists by way of "Islamizing" academia.

Iran has been accused by US intelligence officials of funneling financial support to several of the groups organizing anti-Israel protests and encampments.

So now you're against any and all demonstrations against people in power r278, cause they lead to revolution that is bad for everybody. Great. You're well on your way to be a useful and very compliant member of the new Trumpista Regime.

I don’t think r278 is saying never protest against tyranny. I think they are saying leftist students are sometimes so caught up in their own political agenda that they lose sight of the big picture and wind up being useful idiots. One could certainly argue that these protests did more harm than good, helping Trump and therefore empowering Netanyahu.

R278, R280, so now we’re arguing against protests in general, even by citizens? “Leftists” are now responsible for oppressive right-wing governments? Tragic stuff.

I'd rather be a useful idiot than a useless one, r280.

Obviously, the situation in Gaza is terrible and there are many aspects of the conflict that might cause one to want to protest.

But to the outside world, when you take sides in a war, and march around dressed like the people on one side of the war, carrying their flags and chanting their slogans, the outside world sees one overarching message being conveyed—we stand with them.

No nuance. No footnotes.

In this case what most American are going to see is a bunch of college students siding with Muslim fundamentalists who regularly use terrorism to get attention. Sorry, but that’s the primary message being conveyed to people outside your bubble.

No matter how much you hate his message, you can’t take away his green card based on what he says.

All the “He has connections to Hamas” seems to be to cover up for the fact that the Trump administration can’t present any evidence to support deporting him.

They haven’t even charged him with any crime. This is just fascist bull

Today, NPR interviewed a spokesperson from Homeland Security. It was embarrassing for the government because the spokesperson could not cogently explain why this person was being detained.

The interviewer kept asking, “What did he do or say that would justify deporting him?” The spokesperson couldn’t say

R283 so what does the below image suggest then?

What nuance? What footnotes?

He has a warrant out for his arrest for war crimes as a reminder.

One thing about the Trump administration that should be clear by now is that they do not care much about what the law says they can do. They are just going to do what they want and let the law try to catch up to them at which point they will assess whether or not to obey some judge.

The right thing to do for now is fight using the law, but ultimately I doubt the law will save us.

R283 and that’s protected speech in this country…or at least it used to be.

You're right r287. But then the question becomes, Do WE care about the law? and How much do we care? Is it just some little bauble we used to have and lost, or do we truly deep down give a shit?

Unfortunately, I suspect too many don't really give a shit, if the law protects people they don't like.

[quote] R283] so what does the below image suggest then?

Nobody is studying that picture.

Almost everyone saw the protests on the news, and very few of them liked what they saw. Sorry, but it’s true.

[quote] Nobody is studying that picture.

Tf are you talking about. Try think about reality, and not your own biased version of what “almost everyone” thinks according to the remainder of your brain.

Of course we care about the law. In fact caring about the law (especially the Constitution) is arguably what defines us in a positive sense.

But we need to have our eyes open to the nature of the threat we face.

Maybe the law will stop them, but I doubt it. Ultimately it will be a power play one way or the other.

He has not been charged with any crime. But the Trump administration has accused him of siding with terrorists, and justified his detention by citing a little-used statute that grants the secretary of state the power to initiate deportation proceedings against anyone whose presence in the United States is “adversarial” to the country’s foreign policy and national security interests.

NYTIMES

[quote] Tf are you talking about. Try think about reality, and not your own biased version of what “almost everyone” thinks according to the remainder of your brain.

Thanks for displaying the insightful intelligence that led you to do more harm than good for your cause

R290, so what’s the point? “Remember to tailor your speech to the lowest common denominator?”

Not bad advice if your objective is to sway public opinion in your direction, and essential advice if you are advocating for an unpopular cause.

[Quote] Almost everyone saw the protests on the news, and very few of them liked what they saw. Sorry, but it’s true.

Whether you like something or not has no bearing whatsoever on whether he should be arrested.

The media fell for the propaganda that these protest were “anti-Semitic” when they were, in fact, anti-Israeli policy and anti-war.

Not so important if you want to generate a furious backlash against your objectives.

R294 you can squirm all you want and avoid answering a direct question, but you were the one that brought up the power of imagery in indicating political sway. Pretending that nobody saw an image that raises problems for your argument doesn’t make your case.

If they want to get him, they will find a way...they will go through every fucking form he ever filed...maybe even IRS

[quote] Whether you like something or not has no bearing whatsoever on whether he should be arrested.

Correct.

But “should” is of little comfort right now.

[Quote] The media fell for the propaganda that these protest were “anti-Semitic” when they were, in fact, anti-Israeli policy and anti-war.

Some of the protests were seen as being pro-Hamas and threatening to Jewish students on campuses

The Klan Grannies on the DL always think they speak for the majority of people non-racists are too effete to talk to.

They think they aren't racists, but hard-nosed realists.

They will justify ripping up the Constitution out of racism but will say its for almost any other reason under the sun.

R302 “were seen” or “were”. There’s a chasm of difference. These were also well attended by Jewish students. Who clearly didn't feel threatened at all.

[quote] Pretending that nobody saw an image that raises problems for your argument doesn’t make your case.

I’m sorry, but it does.

My case is that the protests did more harm than good because the protesters didn’t think about (or realize the consequences of) the message being conveyed to the public which was not paying close attention to their arguments, but was reacting very badly to the sight of people dressed like terrorists marching around campuses and shouting against Jews.

And now Trump is harvesting what they planted.

R305 what you’re describing (and seemingly endorsing) is bad faith media manipulation. In the grand scheme of things, whose actions are more meaningful, a handful of student protestors or the president?

[Quote] “were seen” or “were”. There’s a chasm of difference. These were also well attended by Jewish students. Who clearly didn't feel threatened at all.

If the protests were meant to be “anti-Israeli and anti-war,” dressing up liked masked terrorists was counterproductive.

[Quote] Some of the protests were seen as being pro-Hamas and threatening to Jewish students on campuses

That was the right wing propaganda put out to immediately discredit the protests

[Quote] If the protests were meant to be “anti-Israeli and anti-war,” dressing up liked masked terrorists was counterproductive.

If Jewish oligarchs hadn’t doxxed protesting students and ripped jobs from them, they wouldnt have to wear masks

Some protests resulted in arrests. Was that right wing propaganda or criminal behavior

So, kidnapping this guy was ok?

[Quote] Some protests resulted in arrests. Was that right wing propaganda or criminal behavior

And yet the guy who was arrested was never linked to violence

[Quote] Some protests resulted in arrests. Was that right wing propaganda or criminal behavior

Most were released without trial, so I’d say right wing propaganda

No. You can’t blame the media for the images the protestors presented to the world. For anyone not paying close attention, the visual cue was simply “we stand with the Palestinians.” To expect people to recognize that you are perhaps drawing a distinction between Gaza and its government (Hamas) is to expect too much.

The images the protests generated fit right into Trump’s narrative.

[quote] If Jewish oligarchs hadn’t doxxed protesting students and ripped jobs from them, they wouldnt have to wear masks

Sorry. You are just admitting the protestors were outplayed.

Americans have a history of masked protestors and it is not a good history. We think of the KKK and Nazis. We generally believe that a cause worth protesting is a cause one should be happy to stand for publicly (and if that means losing a job, good riddance) and that hiding one’s face is a sign that your cause is not one you are proud of.

Very bad optics.

Not all protests and protesters are the same

Interesting in the day of camera phones, that none of the instances listed in your link were documented R307. I think this quote from the article is salient:

[quote] “We are hoping that our recommendations will be relevant and be used to deal with all students who are feeling unsafe or discriminated against.”

Feelings over facts.

What is antisemitism or any other form of hatred about other than feelings?

[Quote] To expect people to recognize that you are perhaps drawing a distinction between Gaza and its government (Hamas) is to expect too much.

Israel and right wingers specifically pushed that supporting Palestinians means you’re pro-Hamas

[Quote] Sorry. You are just admitting the protestors were outplayed.

Of course they were. They are up against billionaires

[Quote] Very bad optics.

But not worse than the options of seeing Palestinian kids being slaughtered

Yes they did. Which makes dressing up like masked terrorists even more foolish.

[quote] What is antisemitism or any other form of hatred about other than feelings?

What is wrongful arrest for $200?

[quote] But not worse than the options of seeing Palestinian kids being slaughtered

Really? So you imagine these protests were a net positive for Gazans in terms of US public opinion and US policy?

Interesting take.

[Quote] Yes they did. Which makes dressing up like masked terrorists even more foolish.

It’s better than the world knowing your address and crazies attack you and your family

Dozens of pro-Palestinian protesters have taken over a building at Columbia University and barricaded the entrances as fierce protests spread across campuses in the US.

Video footage showed masked protesters on Columbia’s Manhattan campus locking arms in front of Hamilton Hall early Tuesday and carrying furniture and metal barricades to the building, one of several that was occupied during a 1968 civil rights and anti-Vietnam War protest on the campus.

R324, initially the opposition to the Vietnam War helped Nixon. I guess those should have taken place either. People who fixate on the Columbia protests know that student protests are a canary in the coal mine. Everyone is against them until they wind up agreeing with them.

The Vietnam protests are now a point of pride with Columbia.

My point is not about the masks. They were just a particular foolish aspect of the cos-play. The widespread adoption of Arab clothing and flags turned what might have been an anti-war message into pro-Palestinian message. And in terms of visual messaging to an American audience watching on television, that message lacks all subtlety.

[Quote] The Vietnam protests are now a point of pride with Columbia.

Did the Vietnam protest threaten students?

The anti-war protests may be a point of pride because history eventually proved them right, but at the time they helped Nixon win election and re-election and therefore arguably made the war they were protesting worse.

I don’t believe that these protests reflect the beginning of an anti-Zionist, pro Muslim wave in American public opinion, particularly in light of Oct. 7. So in this case, the near-term damage they have done with not be given a silver-lining by history.

He will never get USA citizenship...if he ever applies for it.

He should go to canada

What these protests did accomplish is making the progressive movement more explicitly anti-Zionist. This may seem like a great victory to some progressives, but I don’t think alienating many (probably most) Jews is a net positive for progressive politics.

R315. The KKK and Nazis have a 1stA right to protest, as affirmed by the Supreme Court. Why doesn’t he deserve the same protection.?

I never said he didn’t. My point was about the optics of the demonstrations.

[Quote] Video footage showed masked protesters on Columbia’s Manhattan campus locking arms in front of Hamilton Hall early Tuesday and carrying furniture and metal barricades to the building, one of several that was occupied during a 1968 civil rights and anti-Vietnam War protest on the campus.

So?

What does this have to do with the guy who was disappeared? Oh, nothing

So many of you would have been staunch loyalists during the American Revolution and pushed to hang the Boston Tea Partiers for the damage they caused

First of all, This is all just what we see on the outside...who knows what he was doing behind the scenes? In his emails? In his text messages? The govt is gonna go thru all that...

I will wait to see the evidence

R337, great. Not only has the First Amendment been vaporized, so as the Fourth.

And the 6th & 14th. They managed to violate four amendments just for this one prick.

R337 yea—let’s just wait until after he’s been removed, then we’ll find some evidence. You’re really not qualified to chime in on this point, are you.

R335=can't follow a thread

[Quote] First of all, This is all just what we see on the outside...who knows what he was doing behind the scenes? In his emails? In his text messages? The govt is gonna go thru all that...

[Quote] I will wait to see the evidence

Exactly

And yet the federal government has presented no evidence—not even a shred. It’s been a week and there’s nothing. Even all the people from the administration trying to spin this on TV have no evidence, just gassy talk

It could conceivably be creating the evidence as we speak

[quote] And the 6th & 14th. They managed to violate four amendments just for this one prick.

Intentionally. They want to keep testing the limits, with this or that arrest, until the president is basically a dictator who can do whatever the fuck he wants with absolutely no restrictions.

There is no evidence. Trump doesn’t need no stinkin’ evidence.

R343, yes, there is no evidence. According to a DHS official, the government is contending that when Khalil applied for a student visa he made some unspecified misrepresentation. He can't explain what it was. Perhaps the misrepresentation was a failure to disclose that, at some point years in the future, he would engage in protected political speech.

R344 wow that interview is embarrassing. Unbelievable and totally shameless.

Columbia University expels some students who seized building last year, suspends others

Columbia University says it has expelled or suspended some students who took over a campus building during pro-Palestinian protests last spring and had temporarily revoked the diplomas of some students who have since graduated.

In a campus-wide email sent Thursday, the university said its judicial board had issued its sanctions against dozens of students who occupied Hamilton Hall based on its "evaluation of the severity of behaviors."

What is temporarily revoking a diploma?

A lot of gaslighting going on in this thread. This guy obviously supports Hamas. He showed that for months. Hopefully there's enough direct evidence that will rescind his green card and send him back to wherever he came from. If there isn't, then he'll get to stay on a technicality, unfortunately. I think an immigration judge will use the statute already quoted a few times upthread and send him on his way. But either way, he's definitely a terrorist fanboy.

Poor Turd will never live to see his dream of Trump Resort & Casino on the Gaza Riviera. Like most 80-yr. olds, he's in complete denial about his impending decline and demise.

R348 If the government had any evidence of him supporting Hamas they would have presented it already. They don’t have it.

I don’t have a lot of love for the protestors bc imo they were a major factor in costing Dems the election but this guy did nothing to warrant deportation and he should be freed.

Contributor: Mahmoud Khalil isn't a citizen. His deportation wouldn't be unlawful

Khalil is a wildly unsympathetic figure. The New York Times described him as the “public face of protest against Israel” at Columbia. He acted as the lead negotiator for a pro-Hamas student group called Columbia University Apartheid Divest, which has referred to Hamas’ Oct. 7, 2023, slaughter of Israelis as a “moral, military, and political victory” and asserted that it is fighting for nothing less than “the total eradication of Western civilization.”

Syrian national/Algerian citizen

R351 his unpopularity was the very reason he was singled out, not because he “must” be deported. And that’s not how our system is supposed to work.

R348 Not gaslighting. Just a better understanding than you of the meaning of free speech. Viewpoint discrimination is distinctly un-American, and visited the 1stA. Why don’t you support our Constitution?

violates*

Note to new green card applicants.

Be nice, behave, be good loyal Americans, or we will throw your ass out. No need for an actual crime or a conviction we can throw you out for just the thought you might be supporting terriorism. And that would be our legal right to do so.

Don’t like that? Try Canada.

R352, what a disturbing piece: we shouldn’t care about what happens to this guy because the violation of his rights are trivial in a scheme of things and “by any metric he’s a wildly unpopular figure.” That’s really not what the Constitution is all about; that’s not what our country is supposed to be about.

Alert! Bullshit detected.

[Quote] that’s not what our country is supposed to be about.

Assuming these facts to be true, she has overstayed a long-expired student visa. On that basis alone, she can be removed legally.

Apples and oranges to the constitutional issues raised in this thread.

To add: ten busks says she was chosen at this point in an attempt to have “cover” for the earlier botched job against Khalil and to obfuscate the underlying constitutional issues.

*bucks

The US Department of Homeland Security (DHS) announced that an Indian doctoral student from Columbia University, whose visa was revoked for supporting Hamas, has self-deported using the CBP Home App.

Ranjani Srinivasan, an Indian national and doctoral student in Urban Planning at Columbia University, entered the United States on a F-1 student visa. According to the DHS, Srinivasan was involved in activities supporting Hamas, a designated terrorist organization.

So where is the Trump administration getting the names of protesters to target? A right-wing, pro-Israel organization, Betar US, says that it has compiled a list of “thousands” of names and sent a “deportation list” to Trump officials. Ross Glick, who until last month was the executive director of Betar US, went to Capitol Hill recently to press for the arrest of Khalil. He described Khalil as an “operative.”

An operative of what, exactly?

“Well, that has yet to be determined.”

[Quote] So where is the Trump administration getting the names of protesters to target?

Ever hear of the FBI R364?

I read somewhere that a professor closely involved with the Columbia business is a former Israeli intelligence officer. If true, that’s not kosher.

R366, allegedly Dr. Keren Yarhi-Milo, the Dean of Columbia's School of International and Public Affairs, is a former IDF intelligence officer.

I watched a great interview with Anne Applebaum (world renowned and respected scholar and authority on authoritarianism and Russia) the other day and she was asked when was the time to leave the US.

Her answer was "when the arrests and killings begin". Very chilling if you think about this case. This person has been selected to send a message and as a test case to see what they can get away with. Next time they will go even further. Anyone who says this isn't true is lying.

We may not like or support what this person has to say, but under the First Amendment, he has the right to say it and to gather to protest about it - just like any other American citizen or greencard holder who is on the way to American citizenship. We should have a really deep think about what this means.

This is the arrest part of Applebaum's answer.

It's unbelievable that he's still being held--with no charges, which is patently illegal.

He is a permanent legal resident of the United States, period. He's not guilty or has been found guilty of anything.

[quote] Speaking to reporters in Ireland on Wednesday, Secretary of State Marco Rubio accused Mr. Khalil of participating in protests that he described as antisemitic and supportive of the terrorist group Hamas. Foreigners who come to the United States and do such things, he said, will have their visas or green cards revoked and be kicked out.

[quote] “This is not about free speech,” Mr. Rubio said. “This is about people that don’t have a right to be in the United States to begin with. No one has a right to a student visa. No one has a right to a green card, by the way.”

First of all, CUNT Rubio, this is absolutely about free speech, and that includes the right to be pro-Hamas, anti-Semitic, or anything else. That's what the First Amendment is all about.

No one has a right to a green card, CUNT Rubio? He already has one, and it's his right to exercise his rights as a permanent legal holder of the green card. The very idea that the 14th Amendment is now before the Supreme Court to possibly weigh in on is maybe the most outrageous act of anti-Americanism I've seen.

I don't care what anyone here thinks about Israel, October 7, or Hamas. What happens in this country and the free expression of speech and dissent is what at stake, for all of us. Anyone thinking otherwise is a fucking fool. If you condone this, you condone living in a very different country than this country was intended to be.

I believe this is what is known as a glorious example of freedom of speech, and the kind of activism people are bemoaning they're not seeing more of. Good for all of these protesters, and they're all kinds of people, including, of course, outraged American Jews. My only concern is that because fascists are in charge, this will work against the political prisoner Mahmoud Kahlil.

Not to mention it was organized by the group Jewish Voice For Peace.

The crazy irony is Trump wants to use a McCarthy era law to deport him.

The law was created to keep Jews out of the US

[Quote] Khalil is a wildly unsympathetic figure.

If that’s the criterion to deport people; Trump should have been thrown out long ago

[quote] Khalil is a wildly unsympathetic figure.

I feel a little confused. On one hand, free speech! Free exchange of ideas! Terrible precedent. Doesn't feel democracy. And not sure it's going to stop this movement either.

On the other, some of Columbia protests have included pro Hamas messaging, both the ruling body of Palestine and a terrorist organization. The protests really have prevented others for going to class, moving around campus and getting their expensive education. Do any of these people go to class ever? I guess I'm cynical but college students are basically customers. Imagine any of this at a private place of employment.

I guess these students might say Israel are terrorists too! I'm getting older. I thought I was a politically aware student. Not like this!

R375, part of the attack on Columbia and the other ivies is ginning up hostility towards higher education in general. Students are not meant to be merely “customers” enrolled in expensive trade schools.

Quashing academia is straight out of the authoritarian playbook.

I learned that studying Poli Sci at an elite university famous for lefty radicals! I’m still here.

Anyway, here’s a woman being attacked by a crowd of zionists in NYC last night bc she was protesting for Gaza. I wonder will the explicit threat to her safety have any public policy implications, let’s see.

Notice the violent mob is all men.

“ do any of these people go to class ever”

A major hit from 1968 . A popular song sung by republicans and concerned moms all over America as they tisk tisk to those dirty long haired protestors..