Ione Skye says she dated Anthony Kiedis when she was 16 and he was 24

GROOMER!!!

Everyone is a victim. Yawn.

So? She was a party girl.

All I want to know is how big is dick is and if he ever fucked around with guys.

Her brother Donovan Leitch was hot for about a minute in the mid 90s.

Who is she?

I think he has small penis.

Would never have recognized either of them in those pics. That having been said, I'd have dated Anthony Kiedis when I was 16, too.

She and Parker Posey could’ve played sisters.

A young whore is what she was.

Isn't that a little old for him?

[quote] Her brother Donovan Leitch was hot for about a minute in the mid 90s.

They starred together in "Gas Food Lodging," along with Fairuza Balk. One of my favorite films back in the day.

When she was 16 she also made a play for 22-year old Keanu Reeves.

Once, she visited him at his studio apartment because she sensed he felt the same way, but he gave her a clear no, she wrote. When she tried to kiss him, he told her he was going to shower, and Skye followed him.

"Keanu turned on the water and stood with his back to me, hand in the stream, staring up at the showerhead. I maneuvered between him and the open shower curtain, water spraying my back," she wrote. "His beautiful neck was right there, so close I could lick it, so I did. I zeroed in on his beautiful throat, sucking and making out with it. He made a low, growly noise and I felt my stomach turn nicely. 'Oh,' I heard myself say. The room was thick with steam, my wet T-shirt sticking to me, wanting to be peeled off."

When she reached for his buckle, she wrote, he grabbed her wrist to stop her and said he didn't think he wanted to.

R1, if you dated a 16-year-old boy your fellow conservatives wouldn't hesitate to call you a groomer. Most people think it's wrong to date underage kids, not just "blue haired queer girls"

Aha, gives new meaning to give it away give it away give it away now

Absolutely R13!

24-year old Anthony Kiedis would have been on my hit list at 16, for sure.

I recall a 16 year girl in my high school dating a college grad student. I think he was around 23-24 . He would often pick her up at a neighborhood arcade we would hang out at. It was not that scandalous in the 1980s.

Poor Keanu didn’t have much interest did he.

R12 was she 12 years old at the time?

R17, yeah, I went to school with a couple of girls who dated older guys....but it was still considered statutory rape

Wow her life sounds fascinating said no one ever.

I agree. But back then only if a parent wanted to press charges would anything legal happen.

R21 don’t be naive

Hell yes, R5.

He plays a rock singer in “I Shot Andy Warhol” and he was so sexy.

Keidis dedicated many chapters of his famous autobiography Scar Tissue to his relationship with Ione, so we already knew she was 16. In that book he also describes a shorter relationship he had with a 14 year old girl and expressed no regrets.

So many shameless pedophiles in the music industry!

He also impregnated her.

I signed up on the waitlist at my local library for the e-book. I wonder what she says about the movie Say Anything, and working with John Cusack.

The bigger problem with Anthony is he is still dating teenagers at age 54

[QUOTE] So many shameless pedophiles in the music industry!

Michael Jackson was far and away the worst.

I think I might read her memoir. It seems filled with some juicy details from many famous celebs of my teens/20s.

She also talks about being bi and dating women. She was with Jenny Smimizu and Ingrid Casares

Really r29?

She’s a whore!

Why? Because she slept with a bunch of prime beef celebs when she had a chance to?

If I remember correctly, she was married to Ad-Rock from Beastie Boys and left him for a woman, Jenny Shimizu. Ex (or future?) gf of Angelina.

R27 spoiler alert: she fucked John Cusack years after Say Anything came out.

R35, yep

Jenny got all the hottest ladies — Madonna, Angelina, and Ione? She must have been a dynamo in the sack.

r38, she has a magic tongue

Man she makes the sex with John Cusack and Matthew Perry both sound like big flops.

Well, do tell us. Did she enjoy her time Kiedis or not? Does she regret it now?

I’m really enjoying her book — listening to the audio.

Didn’t Keidis write about her in his memoir?

Scar Tissue was stomach churning. Each RHCP's member fucked the same girl on a rotating schedule, iirc.

They were churning each other's baby batter in her pussy.

I remember liking her in Say Anything and being surprised that her career went nowhere after that. She did the aforementioned Gas, Food, Lodging a couple of years later, but then nothing...

She auditioned for Steel Magnolias (presumably the Julia Robert’s role) and hadn’t prepared. She was using an English accent while auditioning with Sally Field and became mortified mid-scene when she realized SF was using a Southern accent.

Anthony Kiedis is disgusting. At 24 I wanted nothing to do with 21 year olds let alone a young teenager.

Her brother is named after their Father who went by just "Donovan" when he was singing "Mellow Yellow" and "Sunshine Superman."

She's solid in a brief scene in Zodiac, which uses her father's song to chilling effect. I always wondered if her casting was connected to that because she hadn't been in anything for years.

[QUOTE] At 24 I wanted nothing to do with 21 year olds

Mary!

That excerpt in R12 is not even Nifty.

R12 What a slut. Still, it was Keanu, who can blame her?

Half of the 16-year old girls in my high school were dating dudes in their 20s. Girls mature more quickly than guys, no one thought anyone was raping anyone, regardless of the statutory rape laws.

We’ve turned into a society of people who drop our dainty doilies on the floor when we clutch our pearls.

The problem is not so much a 16-year-old dating an older man, but the fact that it was Anthony Kiedis, who has a long record of sexual assault and ephebophilia. He's in his 60s now and still banging teenagers.

Your choice of "half" is the tell. I'm 62 so in my time some girls were innocent and some were really into sex. Same with the boys. Nobody got overly scandalised, in a legal framework, by teen girls screwing adult young men but it was noticed at least, if it was known. The girls who were fucking hot as fuck young men weren't cancelled or ostracised but they were known. It was probably jealously mixed with judgement.

She looks a lot different in the pic at OP, but I saw another of her not long ago and she looked like herself, only older. I think I’ve only ever seen her in Say Anything and The Rachel Papers. I liked her I guess as far as I’ve seen her.

She’s iconic now in SA, but I think her character is so propped up by a then adorable John Cusak, pre becoming hugely problematic, being so in love with her character, and John Mahoney as a hugely proud single dad (is that ever explained) while also being a felon and leaving her on her own at a pivotal life moment. I think many actresses could have made a role that was so supported by the plot and other characters work well.

I also just remembered John and BeBe also were both in SA as well as Frasier.

No idea why she’d be doing an English accent for Steel Magnolias - whether she’d read the full script or whatever, isn’t that info in the basic audition notes? Clearly I’ve never been anywhere near the acting industry, so genuinely curious.

Cameron Crowe is a great director but he casts to type. Ione is basically playing a preppy version of herself in SAY ANYTHING. She also wasn’t super ambitious so I’m not surprised it didn’t translate into broader fame.

John Cusack is also playing himself in SAY ANYTHING but because he is more of a hustler and studios fund more movies starring men he managed to make a career out of it. He never developed much range either though. Every role he’s played is John Cusack.

She was a whore, darlin’.

R28, Kiedis is 62 not 54 and looks it. Ione Skye is 54 now.

Jesus Christ his teeth at R54! Grotesque.

Based on what I have read here and elsewhere, as a teen Ione appears to have been the instigator of a lot of sexual situations with older guys.

R61 so what? She was a minor, they were adults. It’s their responsibility.

R62 I agree. It is still legally statutory rape. But she seems to be pursuer in many of these instances.

Weird, I don't remember anyone defending Matt Gaetz for pursuing underage girls. But it's okay for Anthony Kiedis?!!

We had a group of older dudes who would sniff around for high school girl and some girls dated them. I thought all involved were gross, but now I feel sorry for the girls because they weren't being protected and they were clearly missing something from their childhoods that made them targets for these pervs (who were nearly all abusive in other ways). When I catch up with these women years later, they all failed to thrive and usually married more older assholes. That shit wasn't normal. And the RHCP suuuuuuuck

Strangely enough and perhaps not entirely intentionally, a few years back there was a recurring sketch on SNL, the Girlfriends talkshow, that did an excellent depiction of the huge gap exists with teenage girls in terms of sexual awareness. It was with Cecily Strong who always talked about her "older" boyfriend who seemed to be at least in his 30s and a business professional, and then conversely Aidy Bryant played her best friend, who couldn't even talk to boys and had a crush on the wheelchair kid from Glee. They got that vast expanse that teenage girls can be in during that time between 13-15 so accurately.

R53 This has to be a huge exaggeration. If any 16 year old girls in my high school were dating guys in their 20s (in the late 1970s), I never heard about it.

[quote] So many shameless pedophiles in the music industry!

16 does not equal pedophile. Pedophiles target children who have not gone through puberty. 16 is the age of consent in most states and in Europe it’s 15. Cut the hysterical frau crap. She was a party girl living the rock n roll lifestyle.

[quote] This has to be a huge exaggeration. If any 16 year old girls in my high school were dating guys in their 20s (in the late 1970s), I never heard about it.

I knew tons of them who did, as did my mother. This is nothing new.

R66, save the unfunny SNL discussion for another time.

[quote] It is still legally statutory rape.

No, it is not.

According to Google when it comes to statutory rape laws:

“People 16 and older can consent to sexual activity with anyone they choose, unless the other person has authority over them”

She was legal as long as she consented:

Children under 13 cannot consent to sexual activity

Teens between 13 and 15 cannot consent to sexual activity with someone who is four or more years older

[quote] The problem is not so much a 16-year-old dating an older man, but the fact that it was Anthony Kiedis, who has a long record of sexual assault and ephebophilia. He's in his 60s now and still banging teenagers.

Save it for Tumblr, frau.

R57 Why does an actor need to have a range, anyway? I mean who's deciding that's what you need, as an actor? If they're good at what they do and people like what they do, whose problem is it?

Different states have different statuary laws.

R72 Okay, pedo

She really wanted the part in Say Anything (because of Cameron Crowe) but blew the audition by being too aloof. Cameron Crowe allowed her a second audition and told her that it was okay to want the role.

Her brother helped her get her first audition (River’s Edge) by showing the basting director her picture. Before that project she had no interest in acting.

Their famous father was largely absent from their lives, even disputing Ione’s paternity.

[quote] Her brother helped her get her first audition (River’s Edge) by showing the basting director her picture.

And then they all sat down to a big turkey dinner.

I am from European country where the age of consent is 14. It would have turned me on to date him in his 20s. Today not so much because of the yellow teeth.

As a teen I wasn't interested in teens either.

Now, those teen's young uncles and dads in their 30s....YEAH!

Were you molested?

[quote] Okay, pedo

Typical loser frau cunt.

R80 I like blue

[quote]This has to be a huge exaggeration. If any 16 year old girls in my high school were dating guys in their 20s (in the late 1970s), I never heard about it.

[quote]I knew tons of them who did, as did my mother. This is nothing new.

Agree, r69. This is nothing new. It's always amused me how often posters say that because they never heard about it, it never happened.

[quote]16 does not equal pedophile. Pedophiles target children who have not gone through puberty. 16 is the age of consent in most states and in Europe it’s 15.

It never ceases to amaze, r68, how many people do not know the difference between pedophilia and ephebophilia.

[quote] It's always amused me how often posters say that because they never heard about it, it never happened.

The first poster said "half the sixteen year old girls" in his high school were dating guys in their 20s. But because this person states this, it automatically makes it true?

Sorry, no. It seemed like an exaggeration. It's oversimplification to say because I "never heard of it," it never happened. I was talking from my own experience, which is probably different. T I knew many of the people in my school, and who they were dating. Sorry if that doesn't match your experiences.

People like her lie and exaggerate

I wouldn't believe a word

R81 Nice comeback, pedo. Now go molest some 15 year old.

Here’s the digested read of her memoir:

I was a slut. Some dicks I got, some dicks I didn’t. Abortions were plentiful. At least I wasn’t in The Goonies.

Who paid Ione Skye to write a memoir?

R87, did you read the book or listen to the audio version?

She writes children books, which seems to be the go-to career for washed-up actresses/members of the royal family

Boy she looks odd now.

I just finished the audio book. I really liked it and like her (didn’t know much about her beforehand.)

She is very open and honest about all of the things the posters on this thread are criticizing her for.

Ione is an interesting name but I wouldn't want it for myself.

Her brother Donovan is a bit paunchy, but still handsome.

The brother looks like shit.

I believe Gwyneth was dating the brother (Donovan Leitch) and dumped him when she started dating Brad Pitt.

I dated older on high school. My boyfriends ranged from 18 - 21. A few had their own apartments, all of them had their own cars, and/or motorcycles.

I wasn’t the only one. Most of my girlfriends also had older boyfriends. It’s the way things were back then. No one was dating 30 year olds, but early to mid twenties? Absolutely.

If I had a teenaged daughter today, would I allow it? Absolutely not. Would she do it behind my back, anyhow? Maybe.

Look, teenagers, including teenaged girls have this huge burst of hormones flying. Being 16, with an attraction to guys who look like adult men & those who actually are, isn’t rare. The hottest guy in our high school looked much older than his age. For some reason, I really don’t think this has changed much.

Teen girls love hot guys. Ione was a typical, very pretty, Hollywood teenager.

Good for her, for getting all she could, back in the day.

Well done!

I wonder how many times she’s been referred to as “Lone”. I’ve read her name as “Lone” throughout this thread.

R97, I was thinking the exact same thing!

Well, they’ll always have their abortion. 💞

That doesn’t make any sense to me, r98. A person’s name is always capitalized, and so if her name was Lone the L would be evident.

[quote] I wasn’t the only one. Most of my girlfriends also had older boyfriends. It’s the way things were back then.

Where/when was this? A guy in my fraternity in college (around age 20) was seeing a girl from the local high school who was 16 or 17 and we all (his frat brothers) thought it was crazy.

Didn't any of these guys worry about being accused of stautory rape? Or was 16 the age of consent where you lived?

*statutory

Kiedis is so gross now. The dyed jet black hair, the permatan and still dating 18 year olds when he is in his sixites. He is pathetic. Skye has been married for many years to her adorable husband Ben Lee - she won.

I've had her book on hold at the library and I'm going to pick it up today. I hope it's as juicy as it sounds.

R101, I’m with R98… the name Ione (capitalized) looks exactly like the non-proper noun lone. Often, when reading these posts, her name, especially when not the first word in a sentence, reads like the non-proper noun to me.

This thread is reminding me of one of the first threads that I'd found beyond fascinating, and this was the only place to read about the exploits of the 'Baby Groupies'.

The groupies swan song ended in the 90s, and that, I do find kind of sad.

That's one topic Id love to see a real documentary on outside of YouTube(there's a great old doc on traditional groupies on YouTube, also found thanks to one of the related threads on the topic)

Music guys are still sleazy. Liam Payne first met Maya Henry at a One Direction Meet & Greet. She was 14 and he was 22. Roll on three years and he started dating her, but they both lied about her age and said she was 18, not 17.

Is t that the kind of thing he does? Hes gross.

I'm reading her autobiography now. So far:

She decided to lose her virginity aged 13 to a 16 year old. Didn't enjoy it. While filming River's Edge aged 15, she had a huge crush on her co star Keanu Reeves, who was 21 at the time. They made out in their underwear and Ione wanted to have sex, but Keanu turned her down because she was too young.

She’s tiresome.

I just got done reading her memoir. She fucked up her marriage to Ad-Rock by cheating on him with women (Jenny Shimizu, Ingrid Casares, and a bunch of others) and went driving around town looking for Anthony Kiedis in seedy neighborhoods when he was out scoring heroin. Cannot believe she dated him for 8 years. I wouldn't put up with that bullshit for 2 weeks.

Is there a frequent miles club at Abortion Hut? Did she get the seventh one free?

If she were a man you’d be saying he’s practically a monk

I'm reading the section about Anthony Kiedis now and she really does recall it blow by blow, syringe by syringe. Thank God the book is chronological, unlike the Matthew Perry book.

She keeps saying that Keanu Reeves is the same age as her when he's six years older. She's 54, he's 60. So when they hooked up on the set of River's Edge, she was 15 and he was 21

Sandwiched between her marriages to Adam Horovitz and Ben Lee, Ione was engaged to a furniture designer, David Netto. She was pregnant with their child when they broke up, if I recall, and it didn't sound like an amicable breakup. Wonder what happened there?

To whomever up thread claimed that John Cusack only plays himself in every role, I would mostly agree with you, except for is work in Being John Malkovich. He totally transforms for that role, and is wonderful.

Gross Anthony Kiedis forced Ione to have an abortion aged 17 and didn't even accompany her to the clinic. He hated condoms, the pill made her feel sick, so the two clowns had unprotected sex for six years.

Yeah, he's a complete piece of garbage and always has been

There are other forms of birth control besides the pill and condoms.

Not in the 1980s. They wouldn't fit a 16 year old with the coil and there were no implants etc. A diaphragm probably hurt too much to insert. Rhythm method isn't reliable.

R121 What do you mean, "not in the 1980s?" A lot of the girls I knew had a diaphragm, Now you're just speculating, "Probably"? You have no idea.

She was 16, R122, not 42 like you.

I'm 75% of the way through the book. It's very readable and not trying to be a literary novel like some autobiographies (hello Eliot Paige).

Ione (pronounced I-oh-nee apparently) was a HOE. She married Adam Horowitz from the Beastie Boys and cheated on him for the entire length of their marriage, always with women. She developed a love for Asian women in particular but did try to make Samantha Ronson her girlfriend at one point. Samantha turned her down.

Eventually Adam divorced her and started a relationship with the bassist of Bikini Kill.

I don’t know, that sounds like it was just an open marriage to me. Was he really clueless that she was chasing all these women around town? It doesn’t sound like it was a big secret, I heard some of the actresses from THE L WORD saying she was part of their social circle at one point, so it’s not like she was doing all this on the hush hush.

She sounds like a terrible person. Why write this book to trash yourself? She must have no self-awareness.

Her ex-husband probably liked to watch her get it on with women.

She’s been married to Ben Lee for 17 years, does he let her sleep with the lezzies?

R127 He was distraught and he divorced her. But sure.

With her mouth I guess she easily accommodated his ball sac as she blew him

R123. 1970s. I had a girlfriend who was 16, I was 16, she had a diaphragm. That was real life, I don't know wtf you're on about.

In the book she describes begging Adam for some grace to be a bit wild and just get the girls out of her system and he allowed her three years of that as he was away on tour for most of it. But then he came home unexpectedly to find her making out with her girlfriend in the pool and the Bikini Kill bassist made a serious move, promising him fidelity. He asked Ione if she could see herself giving up the girls for good and she said no, so they divorced.

Typical of someone named after a sea nymph.

When I was in high school in the early 80s, teenagers had much more freedom and exposure to the “adult” world through jobs and hanging out in bars and clubs. It was not at all uncommon for a 16 year old to have a boyfriend several years older.

How boring this cunt is.

She was good in Gas, Food, Lodging. So was Fairuza Balk.

I am the Ione Skye, Looking at you I can read your mind I am the maker of rules Dealing with fools I can cheat you blind And I don't need to see anymore to know that I can read your mind

"he grabbed her wrist to stop her and said he didn't think he wanted to"

we've all been there Keanu

Keanu likes them tall gals.

R137 Bitch now ya tell me !

She was t even that pretty

Woha! Nuthin personal dude! Just that Ione had the two things I find unattractive in a sexual partner .

Her brother is old and fat. He never stopped drugs.

R140 fail Stana. If a woman no matter how un-"pretty" grabs a naked straight man in the shower he will fuck her. Unless...do we need to diagram it?

He STRAIGHT PEOPLE! It's obvious to anyone but YOU IDIOTS Keanu is nerodivergent on the spectrum AUTISIC!

We thought it was because he was a lefty.

Does she make handicrafts??

It's because his skin is yellow.

It's because I spoiled him for anyone else.

As long as it's not because he's a fag.

I believe David Netto implied she was a has-been, and that was the beginning of the end. No Hollywood actress is going to tolerate that disrespect!

Her brother Donovan Leitch was known for inserting his way into all kinds of social settings when he was in his teens and early 20s. He was effortlessly charming apparently.

I'd have to think she has some of the same characteristics. She went after these guys. She's not as innocent as she looks.

And that type of age gap wasn't considered a huge deal back then. Now everyone is programmed to say any age difference of more than 2 years is grooming - which is fucking stupid.

R151, this wasn't an age difference of 2 years. And the younger person was underage

R152 - yes, we all know. And as many have pointed out in this thread several times - this wasn't seen as a big deal in the 80s. Most of us knew younger women who were dating older guys in high school.

And just because you're underage doesn't mean you aren't aware of what you're doing or that you're being taken advantage of. I was 16 and 17 and dating guys 23-25 as a young man. I wasn't abused or groomed or taken advantage of.

There is no scandal here and no abuse. 16 is considered a fully-developed sexual adult in most Western European countries.

Her father is Donovan. Love his music.

That surprises me about Adam Horowitz. My 90s dream man who could still get it. He seems so cosmopolitan and openminded with a frattiness that would totally love it if his wife was bringing ladies home.

R153, except the law in America says it is abuse. Why would a grown man risk arrest to date a girl when he could be with a grown woman? 🤔

r156 I'm not r153, but you need to let this go.

In that time period, it was perfectly acceptable to most people for a 16 year old girl to be dating an early 20s guy. IT JUST WAS. Even to (many) parents.

It was a different time.

R156 - well I can tell you without a doubt that teenagers of the 70s and 80s were more mature and expected to handle things on their own. There were no helicopter parenting and handholding like we see with younger people today who can't seem to do a damn thing on their own.

And R157 is right - you want to apply today's standards to 40 years ago. It was a different time. Stop acting like abuse happened and Anthony should be canceled and punished - get a life.

I never realized Ione was so sought after as a Hollywood Ho. She was in like, one popular movie?

Anthony Kiedis looks simply awful. Like an old CA Surfer punk Hitler. Is that the intent?

R159 - like I mentioned above, I believe if she has even half the charm of her brother then she moved easily in those circles. Donovan Leitch was the IT boy in NY and LA for so many years - and I don't think he actually did anything.

NY Times wrote about it.

And she was raised in Hollywood Hills with her brother - so probably knew a lot of other children of famous Hollywood types as well.

R157, no, it was against the law. If everyone thought it was okay, it would not have been the crime. So much for "applying today's standards to 40 years ago" - the legal standard was the same. Sorry.

None of you had any problem with Matt Gaetz being canceled for creeping on underage girls.

So I guess the standard is:

Male celebs I don't like creeping on underage girls = bad

Male celebs I do like creeping on underage girls = good

Oops that should read "...not have been a crime..."

R161 - Matt Gaetz paid these women and there were drugs involved. Plus he was 38 and not in a known relationship that the girls' parents knew about.

Ione's parents knew of the relationship and there was no money exchanged or drugs or trafficking.

But don't let facts get in your way when you have been proven wrong time and again and just want to take down Kiedis. You sound young or just stupid.

R163, you're the one defending men dating underage girls. Which was just as criminal then as it now. Sorry, you're the ones getting the facts wrong. 99% of the population would say it's wrong for a grown man to date a 16-year-old girl. Not just people who are "young" or "stupid"

What's hilarious is that you think the fact that her parents knew about it makes it okay. As if tons of parents don't make lousy choices. Like anti-vaxxer parents who kill their kids by not vaccinating them

[QUOTE] And she was raised in Hollywood Hills with her brother - so probably knew a lot of other children of famous Hollywood types as well

When she married Adam, her bridesmaids were Karis Jagger and Mick Fleetwood's daughter, Amelia. She hung out with the Zappa family and that whole set. Knew Keanu Reeves, River Phoenix and many others. In the book she name drops about a hundred people.

R164 - give it a rest. If Ione's parents wanted to press charges, they would have. How many times have we told you that this was common back then?

JFC - get off your soapbox. She isn't making any claims herself. It's just YOU who want to make a huge thing about it.

Guess what? A lot of us smoked pot back then too - and it was illegal!! As a 17 year old, I fucked a 24 year old guy - I guess he should be in prison too huh?

It os only illegal for a 24 year old to date a 16 year old in states where the age of consent is 17 or over. It is legal in most of the US, all of the UK, Canada, Europe etc.

R161 is the Trans Troll

I guess the age troll hasn’t read any bios of music stars. She would have a stroke if she read about Led Zeppelin or the Eagles.

R163 - or that Cher was 16 when she started dating 27 year old Sonny.

Or that most of the groupies of the 70s that everyone talks about were under 18.

Or that Gavin Rossdale was 17 when he dated the British singer Marilyn who was in his early-mid 20s.

GROOMING EVERYWHERE YOU TURN! SINFUL! SODOM AND GOMORRAH! R164 could give a church lady a run for her money in condemnation and finger wagging.

Won't somebody PLEASE think of the CHILDREN!!

We all had so much fun back then!

NYC & L.A were truly LIT! 🔥

You had to be there to understand that it really was a different time, & it was fantastic.

I was born in 74 and normal people thought it was pervy to have an age gap relationship like that. It was only normal to people who were low class or had low morals.

R170, pretty much everyone in the world thinks people like you are creeps, not just church ladies. I doubt you would post any of this on a forum that isn't anonymous. Gee, I wonder why that is?

If you all think your views are so normal...why don't you stand on a street corner and shout that you think it's okay for grown men to date 16-year-old girls? Shout it from the rooftops, please!

Please walk up to a 200 pound ex-Marine with a teenage daughter and tell him his daughter should be dating a grown man.

R173? Do you understand that most of us who grew up back then and dated older men would actually allow our kids to?

Are you trolling us, or are you thick?

It’s the way things were back then! Times are different now, hence most of us here wouldn’t allow our teen daughters to date men in their 20s today!

NEWS FLASH! Back in the day, our great grandparents and grandparents were getting married and having kids as young as 13 years old and up, right here, in America!

As times change, and as we learn more about the brain, and childhood development, we understand that maybe it’s not so cool or even mentally healthy for a 16 year old to date a 25 year old, which is why now, it’s not considered a wise thing to do, so most don’t. But back then, we did! We didn’t know any better, R173! We just didn’t!

We know better now, and are attempting to do better now by our own kids.

Can’t you see that or get it through your head?

Correction:

“Do you understand that most of us who grew up back then and dated older men would actually NOT allow our own kids to?”

[quote]Please walk up to a 200 pound ex-Marine with a teenage daughter and tell him his daughter should be dating a grown man.

He would probably already be fucking his daughter so she would be taken.

He is just so damn ugly. I read he attended the same high school as Demi Moore.

R172 now wants to throw 'class' into it. As if Ione Skye was from the gutter. Please - Princess Diana was 18 when she started dating Charles.

R173 is just an idiot. How many times we explain it was a different time and give him so many examples and he resorts back to his same thinking. GROOMING! ILLEGAL! Get the fuck out of here.

R174 - yes it wouldn't happen today - but also part of that is that kids are coddled so fucking much they are far less mature or capable than we were in the 70s and 80s. So many of them are virgins at 18 and have never drank or smoked pot. Not that they SHOULD - but teenagers back then didn't wait until 18 to do adult things.

Ione never said she was groomed. Her parents knew. She broke it off with him. Good lord people - get some fucking perspective and stop trying to paint all historical age-gap relationships as creepy and wrong.

[QUOTE] If you all think your views are so normal...why don't you stand on a street corner and shout that you think it's okay for grown men to date 16-year-old girls? Shout it from the rooftops, please!

Fuck off, Age Troll. You sound suspiciously like the Trans Troll. Same petulant tons.

*tone

Teenagers nowadays are terrified of sex. So many of them are saying they're asexual just to get out of it.

Anthony is a creepy ass pedophile. He’s aged so badly. It’s even more creepy.

[QUOTE] Do you understand that most of us who grew up back then and dated older men would actually allow our kids to?

What is a straight woman like you doing here? Your children would be horrified with you for infiltrating a GAY SPACE and trying to school its regulars.

R183, I’m not the poster you’re quoting, but isn’t it possible that the poster is a gay man who dated older men?

No, R184. All the outraged posts from that person screech frau. Gay men aren't freaked out by age gaps. So many of us started having sex with guys in their 20s when we were 14 or 15, because there weren't lots of gay kids around.

Yes I would like some demographic information on the age trolls convinced that this relationship and any others like it was a crime 40 years ago. Age, gender, sexuality and age when became sexually active.

Agree with r186, show yourselves, or at least your age!

Yet another thread wrecked by TFA :Tiresome Frau Infestation.

I’m reading the book now — it’s well written and compelling. Anthony Kiedis comes off as a TOTAL scumbag junkie leeching piece of shit. It’s unclear why she loved him except she was too young to know any better. Unfortunately Ione’s mother was a pot dealing hippie with boundary issues of her own when it came to men so she didn’t intervene, and Ione had been emancipated for acting purposes and was paying the bills so maybe there’s not much her mom could have done anyway. Her dad was an absentee dipshit which explains the desperation for male attention.

Keanu was a gentleman (and GORGEOUS, holy hell, I had forgotten how much). She and Ad-Rock seemed to have a genuine sweet love but got married too young.

Well-put, R189.

Anthony is gross. He always has been.

Iola Lucille Boylen needs to kick Ione "Skid Marks" Sky in her massive cunt bone and then secure it with a crocheted skank cozy.

Cunts are cunts.

You can smell them all over here.

And you know how honest I am about these things.

She must have a thing for creepy man I mean Anthony and John Cusack. I’ve heard some creepy ass things about Cusack. His ex fiancé, Neve Campbell is terrified of him.

R189 - or Life in Los Angeles in the 80s.

Melanie Griffith first dated Don Johnson when she was 15 and he was 23.

Ione certainly didn't care about the freedoms she had back then - it's now rewriting history. As opposed if she grew up in a conservative household and not allowed to date until she was 16 and not have sex.

What Ione does NOT reveal are the other shit she got up to at that age - so this is one person's story. Her mom, Anthony and others views and recollections are not included. Why? Because she fucked up and never made it as a star and she's writing this bio to jumpstart her career.

[QUOTE] What Ione does NOT reveal are the other shit she got up to at that age - so this is one person's story

Shame you are illiterate and can't read her book. She does write about other guys she had sex with. She lost her virginity when she was 13. She also had a sexual relationship with Flea from the RHCP and he introduced her to Anthony.

She got fat.

She barely said anything about hooking up with John Cusack so either the sex was terrible and/or she realized he’s an arrogant jerk and she didn’t like him. All she said was “I had to get it out of my system & realize we were only meant to be in love in the movies” — tbh I’m not sure why she even put that part in the book other than to give closure to the Say Anything bts stuff.

Who fucking cares? Times were different. She was Donovan's kid. Oh poor you! You dated a hot wealthy rock star! BOO FUCKIN HOO!

R199, she is not portraying herself as a victim.

[quote] In that time period, it was perfectly acceptable to most people for a 16 year old girl to be dating an early 20s guy. IT JUST WAS. Even to (many) parents.

Where did you grow up?

R200 ok. I stand corrected. I'm sorry Miss Skye.

R201, I did not write what you quoted but can confirm the same. I grew up in an upper middle class NYC suburb. At my junior and senior proms (1983/84) many girls brought dates/boyfriends in their 20s.

On General Hospital, 15 year old Laura was fucking her mother’s boyfriend. Then at 17 went on to marry law school student Scotty Baldwin. There were also the movies Sooner or Later where a 13 year old girl pretends to be 16 to go out with an 18 year old guy and Little Darlings where a 16 year old tries to seduce a man in his 30s and lies about having sex with him.

I don’t think where someone grew up had anything to do with whether or not it was acceptable for teen girls to be with older men. It happened and it’s weird how some people in this thread can’t wrap their heads around it.

R203 Maybe the fact that you grew up in an upper middle class NYC suburb has a lot to do with it. Because I grew up in a working class/middle class small town in Massachusetts and no girls that I knew of brought dates or boyfriends to the junior or senior prom who were in their 20s. Almost everyone brought someone from the high school we went to, to those proms. The few that didn't, brought dates from other high schools. So your experience wasn't everyone's.

[quote] On General Hospital, 15 year old Laura was fucking her mother’s boyfriend.

And are you suggesting this was considered "acceptable"?

[quote]r84 The first poster said "half the sixteen year old girls" in his high school were dating guys in their 20s. But because this person states this, it automatically makes it true?

Yeah, that would mean 50% of parents would have to be okay with their 16-year-old daughters dating men in their 20s. And that’s NEVER going to be the case.

It’s a wonder this guys wasn’t brought up more in the Me Too era. I’ve heard more criticism of David Bowie and his involvement with minors than Anthony Kiedis which is surprising.

Don't forget Queer As Folk (UK version) where 15 year old Nathan was chasing after Stuart (32) and nobody here lost their shit when they had sex on multiple occasions.

In her book, the age gap between Ione and Anthony isn't presented as problematic. His heroin addiction and chronic infidelity are what hurt her.

Folks, society changes and evolves, hopefully for the better. It is okay to both say that something was commonly accepted at the time and also acknowledge that it wasn’t ethical then or now.

People are and always were much more concerned about girls being underage than boys. And gay kids...nobody was ever really too concerned with them...until more recently, I guess.

Not only 20-something guys, girls would bring the young male teachers as their dates to proms and formals. I imagine some people tut-tutted, but there was no general uproar

I remember when girls would bring their pimps to the prom with them... or sailors they'd picked up down by the docks.

Yes, R203. In fact I was just today reading a Reddit thread about Melanie Griffith dating Don Johnson when she was 14 and he was 22, and someone wrote this:

"I’m 51 and it was normal everywhere in the 70s and 80s for 16 year olds to date men 20-25. And move in with them. I went to prom and at my table was a 27 year old man with a junior. Nobody gave a shit."

I'm 52 myself, and can confirm that my during my teenage years in Springfield Missouri it was not uncommon for high school girls to date college guys or "men" in their 20s. It wasn't rampant, but it was not uncommon. I had a goth friend named Pam who was dating a 23 year old skater when she was 15. Another friend was dating a 22 year old when she was 15. Another gal pal brought a 23-year old to prom, and married him the summer after prom.

I also knew of or heard of people in the church community where the girl was a teen and the boy was in his 20's and they were supported in becoming betrothed, but only inasmuch as they pledged virginity until their wedding night.

I myself had a FWB relationship with a 23-year old when I was 17. I once had a 26 year old hot as fuck drama masters student from one of the colleges pick me up in the middle of the night to go to a party and we stopped off at a park to "talk" and let me tell you, I had dreamt of that moment and I did NOT feel conflicted or victimized before, during or afterwards. My only regret was that I was halting in my actions due not to fear but to youth and inexperience. If it had happened even a year later, we'd have fucked ten ways to Tuesday in every bush and hidey hole in the Tri-City area.

This was the 70s/80s! When so many of us are all saying "It was a different time," believe US. IT JUST WAS!!!

From a purely scientific angle, it is much more natural for women to be younger than the men, and for women to procreate when their eggs are fresh and ripe. If you go far enough back in history you will find 12 year olds marrying 40 year olds. Marie Antoinette was 14 when she married Louis XVI, who was 15. They were expected to consummate the marriage immediately. (They didn't consummate for seven years because they didn't know how to do the sex until Marie's brother explained it to Louis, but that's a different story.)

It's very different these days. Almost to a disturbing, creepy, suffocating degree.

R215 not a particularly “scientific” argument since older men are going to be both less potent and have weaker sperm.

r201 - in answer your question "where did you grow up?":

Southern California. I was in high school from 1983 - 1987.

Okay, pedant at R217, but for the discussion we are having that is relevant to Ione Skye and Anthony Kiedis, no 25 year old man has decrepit sperm. Or even a 35 year old man. But a 35 year old woman is considered to have a "geriatric" pregnancy. That's the only point I am making.

How does one pronouce Ione. I own e? I one? Tell me, please.

Eye-own-Ee I believe, R220

Anthony Kiedis is pure LA skid row trash through and through. But he didn't stand a chance. If you read his autobiography you will understand how he has ended up the way he has. He had about the worst father you could ever imagine, who alternated between abandonment/neglect and active corruption of his young son. Corruption of his innocent son's mind, body, sexuality and spirit. Sorry to sound like a Mary, but I am horrified by child abuse and it was very sad to read about Kiedis's childhood.

R219 I’m just pointing out that your argument that there’s some biological imperative behind 40 year old men marrying 12 year old girls doesn’t hold water scientifically.

If you want to make it about Ione and Anthony: considering he drove her to her abortion I don’t think you can say “biological desire to propagate the species” explains why he was fucking a minor.

You seem to willfully be choosing not to get the gist of what I was saying, R223, and that is fine, but even a cursory Google search will back up the general idea of what I wrote. At any rate, we are going to move on now. This exchange is officially over.

Kiedis is so hideous looking. In fact, he’s even more hideous than his shitty Red Hot Chili Peppers “music.” Hate that band.

He used to be hot.

Now she’s married to Ben Lee who used to be with Claire Danes who left him for Billy Crudup who left Mary Louise Parker when she was seven months pregnant with their son. Crudup is now married to Naomi Watts.

Do they realize how ridiculous they look with these young girls? Pathetic.

I love a juicy celebrity relationship mobius strip, R227. Thank you for that!

She’s someone who could’ve had a better career if she wanted but didn’t have the ambition.

R230 Truth. She alludes to this in her book. She was never that motivated to be an actor (she was asked to audition for her first movie because someone saw her modeling photo) and there were times when she was happy to just be married to a star musician & paint murals in his studio.

Sounds fun R231.

[quote]Her droll and self-aware memoir, which dishes on the private lives of heavyweights from Madonna to Gwyneth Paltrow to Robert Downey Jr, has captured the attention of everyone from Miranda July (“I gobbled it up,” she gushed) to 90s-curious gen Zers: “People are fascinated with what life was like out in the world without [smart]phones.”

R189?

Anthony is NOT a total scum bag, POS.

He’s ABSOLUTELY NOT that.

Ant is a hardcore addict who is currently in recovery. He was raised by an aloof, disconnected father whom he cared for diligently until his last breath. He is a GOOD father, who is making sure his son is well loved & cared for, and is getting him into one of THE BEST universities in our country.

Yes, he has his odd, & eccentric side to him, but he is a loving & caring man, & it’s perfectly clear that you know NOTHING about him.

Ant has changed on very profound levels. YES, he isn’t perfect, but he’s come a VERY long way, bitch, & I will not sit here & allow anyone to say anything horrible about him, because I’ve witnessed with my own eyes, how he has changed.

If you cannot believe that he’s profoundly changed to due to fatherhood, & other experiences? Then perhaps you, yourself, have not been profoundly changed by experiences in your life.

He has become a WAAAAY better person than he was in his 20s.

This thread is just a bullshit attack on him, & I personally DNGAF if people here burn me for defending him.

He’s a decent man now, & unless you have proof otherwise? Fuck right off.

Why does he date teenagers R234? You sound like a groupie from one of his NA meetings.

He dates women who could be his GRANDDAUGHTERS. Th e man is disgusting.

Untrue, R235.

The press is only interested in photographing Anthony when he’s dating women who are barely over 18, yet NEVER seem interested in photographing him when he dates women who are age appropriate.

He’s NOT an idiot who ONLY dates way younger women. You just don’t know this, because the press isn’t interested in age appropriate women, or because age appropriate women make it perfectly clear that they have ZERO interest in being photographed.

One of the things that I continue to find fascinating / frustrating is how conservative and judgemental some of you queens are.

Who cares who he dates? It's a free world, as long as they are both of age...and he probably has herpes from all the groupies and drug use...let those whores have him. Do you really think a man like that is good at sex? He is probably a shit lover...

He likes bloody tampons.

R236 there’s a simple way he could avoid that: never dating age inappropriate women (or more to the point, teenagers)

[quote]The bigger problem with Anthony is he is still dating teenagers at age 54

54?! Dude's staring hard at 60, may have even crossed that threshold.

Newsflash: late-boomer/Gen X teens were wild -- especially the rich nepo babies; they were practically raised by wolves. They made a whole movie about it, "Foxes", where a 16-year-old was the "lover" of 30-year-old Randy Quaid -- and nobody batted an eye.

R240 you’ve taken it upon yourself to decide the age appropriate threshold or otherwise for people to have sex?

Just checking.

R243, I agree with R240, a 62 year old should not be having sex with teenagers. I think most people would agree.

Was his dad some kind of hobo junkie?

R244 the whole point of there being an official age of consent is that it is legally defined. Beyond that, apart from pearl clutchers pursing their lips because they find it distasteful, where do you draw the line?

Adults can have sex with adults, I would think, no matter what the age gap.

Mel G was a known slut from an early age who loved dick and drugs.

R245, his dad was drug dealer to all the stars

I agree 100% with R210 Society collectively changes the way it views issues over the course of generations. Always has.

R243 “not young enough to easily, literally be your grandchild” is a pretty safe bar

R250 completely missing the point.

[quote] The press is only interested in photographing Anthony when he’s dating women who are barely over 18, yet NEVER seem interested in photographing him when he dates women who are age appropriate.

So he dates women who are not age appropriate.

Personally, I don't care if he dates anyone as long as they're of age, but why use the term "age appropriate" unless you're conceding some of his relationships aren't appropriate?

I was reading about Jimmy Webb, who met his future wife when she was twelve and he was 22, and married her when she was sixteen in 1974. She had already had their first child, who was 17 months old when they married.

Yuck.

popping in here to say that I'm reading the memoir now and Mick Jagger comes off as hilarious.

[quote]R248 his dad was drug dealer to all the stars

So, another goddamn nepo baby!