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American Ex-Pat whines about not being accepted in Berlin

When I first visited Berlin, I was instantly enamored with the city's vibrant energy, which was so different from the foothills of Longmont, Colorado, where I grew up.

So in January 2018, I took the leap and moved to Berlin. Soon after, I found my now-husband. We fell in love not only with each other but also with the city.

My first experience trying to get my long-term freelance visa in the registration office was being yelled at by a government worker — others soon followed. "Kein English! Nein!" (You don't speak English! No!) Several government workers shouted at me, shooing me out of their offices.

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by Anonymousreply 41September 3, 2025 5:45 PM

Seven years after moving from the US to Berlin, I was added to my first German WhatsApp group with the dog owners in my neighborhood. It felt like a miracle.

Up to that point, I always had passive interactions with other Germans. It became a game to get people — like the barista at my coffee shop or my grocery cashier — to smile at me. I had about a 30% success rate, a lot of strange looks, and the occasional scoff.

Where I'm from — Longmont, Colorado — I would smile at random people on the street and they'd smile back. I now realize that smiling at strangers isn't part of the culture in this city.

At the time, though, I was simply living my life in my bubble of international expat friends without fully integrating into German society. Not because I didn't want to but because it felt inaccessible like there was a wall that I couldn't penetrate.

Early on, we spent every weekend discovering WWII bunkers, eating Turkish döner, and singing Karaoke in the park on warm summer days.

The honeymoon phase didn't last, though.

After a particularly traumatic appointment, I severely doubted if I'd made the right choice to move here.

I messaged a friend for advice and received the tough love I needed. "If you don't really want this, then leave. But you'll never know how your life could turn out if you don't at least try," they said.

Four intense weeks later — after accumulating enough paperwork to fill an entire binder, being ghosted by my accountant, and storming into his office — I was granted my long-term visa.

Sadly, the struggles didn't end there.

Soon after, I had an encounter that permanently changed me One day, I was at a bar and overheard a group next to me bashing Americans, talking about how dumb and ear-piercingly loud they were.

I didn't feel like their comments were directed at me, specifically, but their very expressive disdain for American culture prompted me to chime in.

Feeling self-conscious, I tried to tell them this was just culture and that every culture has its quirks. I couldn't change their minds, though, and quickly learned these were not the type of people I wanted to hang around with.

To this day, I can't deny that the interaction affected me. My husband still catches me whispering when I'm in public places because I'm afraid of being considered too loud.

These experiences with the visa registration office, group in the bar, and unsmiling locals were unsettling and left me feeling like an outsider for years.

by Anonymousreply 1March 4, 2025 2:41 AM

Let’s recap. He gets smitten as a tourist, moves there, doesn’t make any effort to learn fluent German or his host nation’s culture, clings to other American ex-pats in Berlin for the next 7 years … and then complains of “feeling like” an outsider!

by Anonymousreply 2March 4, 2025 2:48 AM

r2, judging by the picture going with the article, I think you've misgendered the author(ess).

by Anonymousreply 3March 4, 2025 2:50 AM

Here's the thing - Germans and French are always going on about Americans being loud. Granted, a few times that's true.

However, it's mainly hearing a foreign language being spoken at ear volume - that's what they don't like.

Italians are loud as FUCK - so are Middle Eastern people, Latin American, the list goes on and on.

And I've heard PLENTY of loud Germans out and about in my travels. They're just pissy assholes. Love Berlin though.

by Anonymousreply 4March 4, 2025 2:52 AM

Oh, ha, didn’t see the point of clicking when the full piece was copypasted here.

by Anonymousreply 5March 4, 2025 2:54 AM

[quote] Oh, ha, didn’t see the point of clicking when the full piece was copypasted here.

It actually wasn't.

You missed the part about how getting a dog was how she managed to make German friends.

by Anonymousreply 6March 4, 2025 2:57 AM

[quote]Despite trying to be friendly and smile at strangers, I would usually get weird looks and scoffs.

And there you have it.

Some cultures would find such behavior offputting and weird - including Germany.

Try adopting the cultural norms when you immigrate to a new country.

by Anonymousreply 7March 4, 2025 3:01 AM

Was her name Pat at some point?

by Anonymousreply 8March 4, 2025 3:04 AM

Isn't her husband a Berliner or was he a transplant, too?

by Anonymousreply 9March 4, 2025 3:09 AM

Another braindead American. So many of these stories.

by Anonymousreply 10March 4, 2025 3:25 AM

I have been to Berlin once and I thought it was ugly. I prefer West-Germany. Anyway, I cannot understand Americans who willingly would go to Europe when world war 3 is about to start there while they could be safe in the US protected by Donald Trump.

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by Anonymousreply 11March 4, 2025 3:34 AM

Is that de facto true, R11?

by Anonymousreply 12March 4, 2025 3:38 AM

R12 Yes because the European countries support Ukraine but Russia doesn't like that and the US will become best friends with Russia. So basically the US will give Russia money and Europe will give Ukraine money and this will lead to World War 3. I hope until then I will have my green card and can flee Europe. I don't want to be part of this satanic ritual.

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by Anonymousreply 13March 4, 2025 3:41 AM

Take your disgusting recipes with you Greg!

by Anonymousreply 14March 4, 2025 4:49 AM

Germans also stare. It’s not considered odd or rude to do that. If anyone stared at me on public transport I assumed they were into me and would start flirting.

by Anonymousreply 15September 1, 2025 10:23 AM

I moved to Berlin in 2001 and stayed for 8 years. Berliners are grumpy and you have to have a thick skin, or grow one quickly. Dealing with the Auslanderbehorde and German bureaucracy in general is a torturous experience. But thousands of people do it every year and survive - not sure why she is special or why this warranted an article.

by Anonymousreply 16September 1, 2025 10:50 AM

Try getting a long term visa in the USA these days and see how you’re treated.

by Anonymousreply 17September 1, 2025 11:03 AM

The "teachable moment" people need to learn: Just because you visit a place once and "fall in love" doesn't mean you should move there.

by Anonymousreply 18September 1, 2025 1:26 PM

I'm not gonna read the whole thing, but I will say this. Recently I had several friends who moved to Portugal. Others are considering Spain and yet another just got British citizenship. If you go to a foreign country to live for any length of time you cannot expect to have everything be as it was in Amurika. You have to embrace their ways. Their culture their habits, their way of life. Too many people go to a foreign country either for a vacation or extended stay and they expect their bacon and eggs to be just like "home." They don't adapt and the are close minded. You have to figure out how to fit in. People think everything is about food. Going to Italy? Hey make sure you get some pizza! And with that attitude you will hate it. You will be offended if they insult you without realizing that you have been insulting them. Adapt. Do some research and if you plan on living there learn the language enough to understand them.

by Anonymousreply 19September 1, 2025 1:38 PM

[quote]Germans also stare. It’s not considered odd or rude to do that.

R15 is correct. Not just Germans but Spanish, Italians, and French as well, and more countries no doubt. Tourists and newcomers are sometimes rattled by this but it generally means nothing more than that you happened to have caught someone's eye in the street. It's only in the street that this is fair game, locals don't stop to point at the window of a foreigner having his hair cut or taking a drink in a cafe.

The American author, Mackenzie Fucking Fly, FFS, stupidly thinks that staring that staring in the street and not smiling like a drugged Cheshire Cat to strangers are ways that can be won over by the pluck of an assholeish American.

People in Germany, in Spain, in Italy, in France, and in more than a few other European countries do not have the custom to grin and bare teeth at passersby and store clerks and waiters. There has to have been done connection made before that can happen...as Mackenzie Fly found out but insisted on making her campaign/tirade.

It's not that Germans and Spanish and Italians and French, for instance don't smile, it's that they don't go around like shit-eating pigs thinking that barring a glistening white set of American chompers and maybe a little girl giggle will open doors and hearts. It doesn't. You have to do better than that. Only when you've shared some sort of moment of connection is that going to happen. People will be nice (or sometimes abrupt) to you per the occasion or their nature, they will help you or answer your question, but don't mistake them for your American false friends. They're not to flash back American tonsil-barring smiles like they are both simpletons and mirrors.

Still, she persists, the poor thing.

by Anonymousreply 20September 1, 2025 5:01 PM

R19 - I hope that's not the case with most people - I would think their first international trip would correct that type of thinking.

You can always miss some of the things from home - but you can't expect them to be the same. I think 90% of the world knows this by now - I hope.

by Anonymousreply 21September 1, 2025 5:41 PM

In my travels Germans and Israelis are the worst and for the same reasons.

I'm 1/2 German and want nothing to do with them

by Anonymousreply 22September 1, 2025 5:58 PM

R20 ... please introduce yourself on the street so I can cross to the other side

by Anonymousreply 23September 1, 2025 6:03 PM

Berlin people are assholea to everyone. And many "progressives" in particular are openliy racist/shitty towards Americans, that's also correct. I love to visit but would never want to live there. This said, our experience will hugely depend on your peer group and the quarter you live in.

by Anonymousreply 24September 1, 2025 6:27 PM

Welcome to moving to another country. They don’t have to like you. You’re a guest.

by Anonymousreply 25September 1, 2025 6:35 PM

Twenty years ago, I had no problems with people in Berlin. Many people were old enough to remember the Berlin Airlift, even as children, and actually loved polite Americans.

I expect that isn't going to happen again. Especially not with Trump's malign effect on the world.

by Anonymousreply 26September 1, 2025 6:45 PM

I would not want to move to a country where everyone sounds like they're speaking Hitler from the balcony

by Anonymousreply 27September 1, 2025 6:45 PM

She may be a cunt

by Anonymousreply 28September 1, 2025 6:58 PM

[quote]I would not want to move to a country where everyone sounds like they're speaking Hitler from the balcony

If by chance you live in the U.S.... you wouldn't have to move

by Anonymousreply 29September 1, 2025 7:00 PM

A few of these news outlets (CNN does this too) love to find twats like this whiny bitch and write stories about them, knowing everyone will point and laugh at them.

We've done that here with a few of these articles.

by Anonymousreply 30September 1, 2025 7:02 PM

What brought you to Berlin?

My happiness.. I moved to Berlin for the friendliness and laughter.

But Berlin is Germany. Germans are cold and humorless.

I was misinformed.

by Anonymousreply 31September 1, 2025 7:04 PM

Hunny you think the Berliners are tough do not go to France! Them people are about the rudest coldest unfriendly, self involved jerks I ever met. And the food is nothing to brag about. Seriously.

by Anonymousreply 32September 1, 2025 7:10 PM

Yes, go to Italy.

This is always the correct response

by Anonymousreply 33September 1, 2025 7:14 PM

This bitch needs to learn German if she hasn’t by now

by Anonymousreply 34September 1, 2025 7:18 PM

Here's what I've found--while a minority of people in Europe may have an outward hostility to Americans, a lot of them are also intimidated by us.

Get in their space and ask what you want directly. For all their alleged matter-of-factness, they don't seem to like that and will usually acquiesce.

It also helps that we're generally taller than they are.

by Anonymousreply 35September 1, 2025 7:23 PM

Do we really need more "ignorant and offensive twat whining about non-worshippers" threads?

Isn't it enough for them that they get published everywhere for their self-pitying cuntness?

by Anonymousreply 36September 1, 2025 7:30 PM

[quote] Here's what I've found--while a minority of people in Europe may have an outward hostility to Americans, a lot of them are also intimidated by us.

Huh?

by Anonymousreply 37September 1, 2025 7:32 PM

[quote]Get in their [Europeans'] space and ask what you want directly. For all their alleged matter-of-factness, they don't seem to like that and will usually acquiesce.

[quote]It also helps that we're generally taller than they are.

Evidence that Donald Trump posts at Datalounge?

by Anonymousreply 38September 1, 2025 7:38 PM

The smiling at strangers thing only works in rural Ireland. It’s a cultural norm that is very American. Though I used to find it annoying, lately I appreciate that Americans are friendly and open. As long as it’s not combined with naïveté and cultural egocentrism, I’ve learned to like the American superficial friendliness.

by Anonymousreply 39September 1, 2025 7:49 PM

[quote] Twenty years ago, I had no problems with people in Berlin. Many people were old enough to remember the Berlin Airlift, even as children, and actually loved polite Americans.

20 years ago was 2005 and Berlin was still hip and cheap.

I was backpacking through Europe in 2008 after graduating university during the time when Barack Obama visited Berlin during his first Presidential election campaign. It was Obama fever ant that time so bought some beer and a currywurst from a street vendor and I curiously attended his speech in front of the Siegessäule. A guy on a train told me he had wanted to give the speech in front of the Brandenberg gate but was denied permission, and he giggled like it was a scandalous request which I didn’t really get the significance of. Maybe because he wasn’t president yet. I got a really good photo of a man with an umbrella with pieces of paper hanging from it emblazoned with the word MCCAIN.

I am a person of a certain pigmentation and throughout the days before and after his speech, I was approached by about 30 Americans asking if I was an American was eligible to vote and would I like to register. As an Australian, I had to decline.

by Anonymousreply 40September 2, 2025 7:08 AM

R26 no that's not the (main) reason. German antiamericanism is fed by a few sources: DDR indoctrination and identity (everything West of the wall was labeled fascist), still present in the next generation, progressives choosing communism as a pet ideology they find cool (the "gulags weren't so bad" type), very pro-Russian propaganda by our own media (that seemed absolutely enamored with Putin) during the Nordstream time in the Merkel erea where they sold us Putin as a charming, clever man who even speaks German, and also imported hate for Americans via the many immigrants from Muslim countries. Trump is only relevant in the context only in so far as that some people have an interest in dividing society where everyone they don't like is literally Hitler while they are all secret little Stauffenbergs. (To them, Markus Söder is Hitler too. And your aunt from Texas who voted republican once.) Nuance takes effort and humans are tribal creatures.

by Anonymousreply 41September 3, 2025 5:45 PM
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