Who the fuck is Mikey Madison?

You couldn’t help but feel bad for Demi. This should have been her moment.

R1 Generation Z is mostly stupid, entitled and inexperienced. And yet they get everything handed to them with little to no effort. Including the keys to the kingdom it seems. If we weren't already completely doomed by Trump the TikTok generation being "the hope for the future" will seal our fate.

Actors vote for actors within The Academy.

Overhyped is Adrien Brody winning a SECOND Oscar

I'm glad Cynthia Erivo and Ariana Grande lost. That was some consolation for the bad casting of Wicked.

I really wanted Demi to win.

Adrien Brody's speech reminded me how really unattractive his whole demeanor is. You should have had this down, keep it quick and tight (and prepared), you wouldn't have had the audience secretly hoping for the orchestra to start. I don't know. Would I fuck him if ever the opportunity arise? Duh, as I think he's the most fuckable living multiple Oscar winner to begin with. But even that don't get you ris.

Her role had everything. She deserved it. Demi would've been an OK winner, but this is not some theft.

Let me guess she'll be in everything now.

Mikey Madison deserved it. Demi Moore didn't. It's not difficult.

[quote]Mikey Madison deserved it. Demi Moore didn't. It's not difficult.

Is that how the thieves justified it in their mind?

It's because Demi's career is on the way out and Mikey Madison's is just starting. Awards signal that the industry is deciding to invest in an actor or actress. They believe that they can overwork Mikey for a couple decades and use her to draw in younger audiences. For example with Leo Dicaprio and Timothee, they figured that they can keep them working hard by dangling the award carrot in front of their face. Those actors didn't need awards because they are box office draws without them. The awards are not a pure "Who did the best job" thing and it never will be. I thought Demi did a very good job, and it feels good to see her have her comeback. I'm surprised she even got nominated. I watched Anora three times and I forgot that I was watching an actress make a performance each time. My friend from Brooklyn said she nailed the accent and attitude of a lot of the girls there. She deserved it and a lot of y'all are just jealous old queens who are mad that 24 year olds won't fuck you with their hard boners

I can't believe anyone thought Demi had a shot at anything tonight.

R12: Ratface is not a box office draw or award winner. It's over Hollywood.

She deserved it.

I'm just sorry that Yura Borisov didn't join her as an award winner tonight, he was terrific

I see that Demi being robbed is a trending topic on X.

She's a Jew (née Mikaela Madison Rosberg) that's why they gave it to her.

R14 You're wrong. His movies are successful. He's not my cup of tea, but a lot of women find him hot. I guess it's because he looks attainable?

That's "Oscar Winner Mikey Madison," OP.

AB deserved it. DM may have done a decent job but she's always been mediocre. Glad she didn't win.

Honestly - I think people may have assumed Demi would win and voted who they wanted.

I feel bad for Demi.

R17 plus, she's an L.A. native, born and raised and still resides there.

Demi's from New Mexico and has resided most of her adult life at her estate in Idaho.

R21 I don't, this was her first nod and she's 62. That says it all.

[quote][R12]: Ratface is not a box office draw or award winner. It's over Hollywood.

What are you talking about?

I don't have a dog in this race, but Timothee Chalamet's two previous films he headlined -- DUNE PART 2 (2024) and WONKA (2023) -- were very successful at the box office.

I doubt Demi would have been any more famous than the other members of the brat pack if she hadn't married Bruce Willis (and then made public appearances smoking cigars with him and Schwarzenegger). She's 80's-ish pop culture and didn't become interesting as an actress. Without the famous marriage, she probably would have done a few mediocre movies and returned to soap operas to make a living.

Demi should have won an Oscar for her role in Charlie’s Angels: Full Throttle.

I didn't see it, R26, but I imagine that entire film was like watching a masterclass in acting.

I haven't seen The Substance but judging by the extended clips on Youtube, it looks campy (not in a good way) and super obvious. Anora definitely has its own problems and while I think Mikey's performance (and actually the whole film) is pretty overrated, that stuff with Demi creeping around in a bald cap ala Nosferatu just looks downright embarrassing.

R17 What a dumb fucking statement. Kieran Culkin also won an Oscar tonight for playing a Jew despite the fact that he's not in reality, while his co-star/writer/director Jesse Eisenberg lost for his screenplay for that film. Ratboy, who is Jewish IRL, lost for playing one of the most famous Jewish contemporary musicians of all time in a film by Jewish director James Mangold, who lost to non-Jew Sean Baker for Best Director. Need I go on?

I love her extremely phoney stage name. Sounds trashy

She's one of my favorite Ghostfaces along with Laurie Metcalf, Skeet Ulrich and Emma Roberts.

R24, but was the success of those two films because of the famous franchises they are part of, rather than Timothee himself?

[quote]Let me guess she'll be in everything now.

Or she'll be in nothing.

I suspect many of you have not seen The Substance. It was HORRIBLE. Demi only got a nomination due to her career status, not for her role in that film.

R14 wtf are you talking about? Timmy might not be your cup of tea, but he just won a SAG award last week and his career is doing great. He truly doesn’t give a shit what you think.

R22 Idiotic.

R30, "Mikey Madison" is a form of her real name. See r17.

I don't think she'll have too much trouble getting indie films and character/supporting roles.

[quote] Awards signal the industry is deciding to invest in an actor or actress. They believe that they can overwork Mikey for a couple decades and use her to draw in younger audiences. For example with Leo Dicaprio and Timothee, they figured that they can keep them working hard by dangling the award carrot in front of their face.

This is an idiotic take.

Micky Madison is Jewish.

Still wondering why she won?

R40 You couldn't even copy her name correctly from OP.

I know this sounds immature and I've posted it before. It still feels like bullshit awarding someone a SECOND Oscar in category of people who've never won--and I'm NOT pro Chamalambadingdong.

Honestly, a VERY small and petty part of me is relieved he didn't win.

"It still feels like bullshit awarding someone a SECOND Oscar in category of people who've never won"

What is it you want to say?

Have you seen The Brutalist? Brody killed it.

She doesn't have anything forthcoming listed on IMDb.

Mikey Madison was really good in Tarantino's OUATIH as Susan Atkins. Haven't watched Anora. She is very good, I just don't like how aggressive she comes across.

R13...Agreed, but after Sandra Bullock won her Oscar I thought the Academy would have no problem offering another pity award to an actress who's been around long enough to seem like she deserves an award.

For me there's only one Mikey. And he liked Life cereal.

[quote] Let me guess she'll be in everything now.

She’s not even thin and blonde. Straight to streaming for her.

I'm fine with her winning and Demi losing. But it IS crazy how men have to be nominated a million times before getting a crack at best actor, but women you never even heard about get the statues all the time.

She’ll get a supporting role in some existing franchise then fade into prestige streaming. Maybe some “Girls Night” type of comedy.

Men will not be fapping to fantasies about Mikey Madison. She’s no Sharon Stone.

R49 Demi wasn't nominated before either. But yes, the best actress oscar is always about "fresh" talent. Meanwhile Brando lost an oscar playing Kowalski in Streetcar against Bogart, the more mediocre actor, because of Bogart's trajectory. Youth is rewarded in women, but not in men.

[quote] Let me guess she'll be in everything now.

Magic 8 Ball 🎱 says…”Unlikely.”

R52, Sorry, Mr. Swank, but one isn't rewarded when one is a masculine Oscar thief.......

“Anora” seems like this year’s “Everything Everywhere All at Once:” it wins everything and people immediately realize how truly undeserving it was.

[quote]I'm glad Cynthia Erivo and Ariana Grande lost. That was some consolation for the bad casting of Wicked.

Holy Shit! What a lost opportunity! Just imagine how successful "Wicked" could have been with you in control!

Mikey Madison is this year's Jennifer Lawrence and will never live up to the hype.

R54 its true but let's not pretend other movies were much more deserving. If The Brutalist would have been just it's first half maybe it would have deserved it more, otherwise...

It's a sad fact that the quality in movies have taken a nosedive since 2000, particularly in the last 10 years

Her and Demi were both deserving. I’d say a dramatic role is harder than horror though

R54 You can't possibly be serious. EEAAO is beloved to this day. In which reality are you living?

Anora made $5 at the box office, and Mikey doesn't have the looks to be A list. She'll fade away.

Was it me or did Brady Corbet sit there with a shit eating grin thinking he had best Pic after Brody won? "Anora" director broke the record with four wins and Corbet walked away with three nominations.

Anora is better than EEAAO. That was just garbage.

There are no new movie stars today. Just pretty personalities who look on magazine covers and can wear just about anything. Hollywood has truly become a pedestal factory 24/7.

Give them the best agents and PR. Manufacture a massive print and social media campaign and prop them up with tons of post production, photoshop and autotune.

I know they did that a lot in the past but at least they made it look more natural and subtle. Today they're not even trying to hide it. Industry plants and nepo babies have taken over and poisoned everything.

Anora even sounds like one of those best forgotten best picture winners.

Mikey Madison won over Demi because she played a fully round character. Demi played half a character and the other half played by Margaret Qualley was more interesting, and she wasn’t nominated.

Mikey Madison made Anora work, the movie rested entirely on her shoulders as much as The Brutalist on Adrian Brody’s, or Oppenheimer on Cillian’s or Poor Things on Emma’s. It was a fearless performance that she disappeared into 100%. It was probably the closest an American film has come to the tone of Fellini’s Night of Cabiria with its legendary performance by Giulietta Masina.

YAWN R65 She won for showing her cooter.

…and the similarity has been duly noted

R66 Demi also took her cooter out, ya know.

I hope all these awards will get people who hadn't yet heard of it to stream it. I've been raving about it to my friends for months, I was so impressed by it. So many terrific performances from a great cast.

R59 EEAAO is not "beloved". The only time it's ever mentioned since is for how shit it was.

Rather EIEIO than The Sound of Sex Work.

Had Demi been nominated in the best supporting actress category she would have been a shoo in.

Recent winners "Coda," "Nomadland," "Green Book," "Birdman," "Argo," and "The Artist" cannot be considered modern classics even if you're being generous. "Parasite" is the only standout.

R59 = Jamie Lee Curtis.

R65 = Mikey Madison.

There was a long, LONG tradition in the Academy of giving Oscars to actresses with their first or second nominations, particularly if they were beautiful (Vivien Leigh, Jennifer Jones, Judy Holiday, Audrey Hepburn, Grace Kelly, Julie Christie, etc., etc.) Meanwhile, it took multiple nominations, sometimes over a few decades, for popular, talented male actors to win theirs — especially attractive ones like Marlon Brando or Paul Newman.

This makes sense when you realize that the membership of the Academy was overwhelmingly straight and male: they were happy to vote for the new girl in town, especially if she was fuckable. By the same token they deeply resented male actors their wives and girlfriends wanted to fuck, and were happy to vote against hot guys, even when they were talented.

But given how many new members have been inducted, I still think the mostly male academy is acting true to form — happy to give Mikey Madison an Oscar first time out, but reluctant to honor Timothee Chalamet for his second nomination despite the fact that he is talented and is one of the few actors his age to have an impressive box office record. But his image as a fashion plate, his refusal to muscle up, his insistence in playing the publicity game his own way — and succeeding at it — clearly intimidates the still mostly male, mostly straight members.

As for poor Ralph Fiennes, who arguably deserved to win, well he may look like a nebbish but he has a years-long reputation as a ladies man and sex addict who seduced many, many women in his time. A no-no with insecure straight guys. Adrien Brody by contrast, has acted like an asshole for the last 20 years but has found redemption in the love of a beautiful woman, which has inspired him to be a kinder man — aspirational goals for aging, straight male members of the Academy. Brody is no longer a threat to their self-esteem.

It’s important to realize that many academy members vote AGAINST as much or more than they vote FOR.

Regarding Demi Moore —she was never more than adequate as an actress, nevetheless, she made a fortune in the ‘90s when star salaries were high. She was already extremely lucky considering that neither her looks nor her talent were ever anything special. Yet she expected to get an Oscar handed to her for making a “bold” feminist statement and to wipe out the years of low self-esteem from being trailer trash who got lucky? No way. There was no sentiment in the town for rewarding her for surviving her own mediocrity. She was lucky to get the nomination and all the underserved positive press she got for the Golden Globe.

NEXT!

[quote] I've been raving about it to my friends for months, I was so impressed by it.

So you’re the one that saw it.

[quote] they were happy to vote for the new girl in town, especially if she was fuckable.

Well, that’s certainly not the case here.

Agreed, R77, but her first time win is akin to Judy Holiday’s — she was no beauty either, but was seen as a major new talent. That impression soon wore off, of course, especially since Holiday’s films were well-reviewed but not well attended by moviegoers.

Nope. the old Republicunt didn’t deserve an Oscar just because she hasn’t croaked yet. Anora was excellent and deserved every Oscar it received. The Brutalist and I’m Still Here were also excellent.

[quote]Demi also took her cooter out, ya know.

So did Emma Stone last year, 20 something cooter will always trump sixty year old ones.

Mikey Madison only won because she was young, hot to the hetero male gaze & naked throughout the movie. Poor Things started this trend and it was a shit movie too.

Demi was naked too but she can actually act and keep consistent throughout a film, unlike Mikey Madison.

No one seemed to notice that this was essentially a reworking of Pretty Woman?

[quote]reluctant to honor Timothee Chalamet for his second nomination despite the fact that he is talented and is one of the few actors his age to have an impressive box office record. But his image as a fashion plate, his refusal to muscle up, his insistence in playing the publicity game his own way — and succeeding at it — clearly intimidates the still mostly male, mostly straight members.

I wouldn't have voted for him because he had a Kardashian sitting next to him.

[quote]Adrien Brody by contrast, has acted like an asshole for the last 20 years but has found redemption in the love of a beautiful woman,

Harvey Weinsteins's leftover.

Mediocrity, thy name is Demi.

R81 Have you actually seen Anora?

The only thing in common is that it had a prostitute in it. It does not have a (pun intended) happy ending.

R84 yes. So the ending changed, doesn't mean it's still a reworking of Pretty Woman with just way more F bombs & nude actress.

I don't understand giving an Oscar to a 25 year old actress for a movie no one will see.

R47, Excuse me?!

[quote] Mikey Madison only won because she was young, hot to the hetero male gaze & naked throughout the movie.

Have you been to LensCrafters lately?

Make an appointment, stat. 👓

[quote] never more than adequate as an actress, nevetheless, she made a fortune in the ‘90s when star salaries were high. She was already extremely lucky considering that neither her looks nor her talent were ever anything special. Yet she expected to get an Oscar handed to her for making a “bold” feminist statement and to wipe out the years of low self-esteem from being trailer trash who got lucky? No way. There was no sentiment in the town for rewarding her for surviving her own mediocrity.

I agree with this. But I also agree the tradition of giving Oscars to the ingenue of the moment is weird.

I also agree that I would not have voted for Timothée just because of his date. Sorry but dating Kylie Jenner greatly lowers my ability to take him seriously as an artist.

[quote] Mikey Madison is this year's Jennifer Lawrence and will never live up to the hype.

At least we knew enough about Lawrence before her Oscar win to hate her. I have not seen this girl Mikey in or on anything.

[quote] I also agree that I would not have voted for Timothée just because of his date. Sorry but dating Kylie Jenner greatly lowers my ability to take him seriously as an artist.

He got the message. They're over.

[quote] Demi was naked too but she can actually act and keep consistent throughout a film, unlike Mikey Madison.

No one has ever regarded Demi Moore as some acting great. You must be high to say something like that. She turned out one good performance. So what? Nearly every shitty actress in Hollywood has one role that they excelled at. But most of her perfornances are mediocre. Mikey Madison was great in Anora and has many great performances ahead of her, I'm sure.

[Quote] Let me guess she'll be in everything now.

Oh yes, I’m quite sure.

[quote] I don't understand giving an Oscar to a 25 year old actress for a movie no one will see.

This. A supporting role in a sitcom no one watched and a couple of bit roles in film and that’s it. Then an unseen indie film. Must’ve been a furious campaign behind the scenes.

Demi can actually act? Pity then that she never got an oscar node when she was 26 years old.

You gay guys beating up Chalamet or Brody for trashy taste in women — this is irrelevant to straight men. Timmy’s affair with a Kardashian is one more thing for straight, aging men to envy and hate about him, and who cares who Georgina was married to, she’s still a knockout and apparently throws a great fuck, this is all straight voters care about.

They may not want to marry either one of them, but fuck them? Sure thing!

R92 sure, Sean Baker and/or publicist. Apparently you missed GI Jane, An Indecent Proposal, Ghost then too huh?

GI Jane and Indecent Proposal were midmarket fluff. Ghost was watchable, but Demi paled in comparison to Whoopi.

Demi is a hustler and a survivor, but her acting chops are nothing to write home about. She's always some version of herself. There is nothing wrong with that, but it is not laudatory. The whole argument pitting Demi against MM is illogical. Had MM not won, the most deserving recipient would have been Fernanda Torres by a mile. Demi got plenty of accolades from the industry. They were never going to give her an Oscar.

I just now realized she is the same actress who played Sadie Atkins in "Once Upon a Time in Hollywood." That crazy scene in the swimming pool.

Mikey will likely get a supporting role in a big-budget film, like a Spielberg film or a Nolan one with those massive casts.

I get major Valerie Harper vibes from her and TV may be the best option for her talents. She’s more Laura San Giacomo then Julia Roberts.

Colman vs. Close Boseman vs. Hopkins Stallone vs. Rylance Blanchett vs. Yeoh Mcdormand vs. Davis

The Oscars don’t seem to care about “the narrative” anymore. They vote for who they think gave the best performance.

Add Moore vs. Madison to this list.

[quote] Demi was naked too but she can actually act

Is this satire?

[quote]and who cares who Georgina was married to, she’s still a knockout and apparently throws a great fuck,

When was throwing these great fucks? While her husband was across town in hotel rooms attacking actresses? Please, she was trophy wife and is now pulled so tight she squeaks when she blinks.

R69 Only in your bubble. You may want to get out more. There are people (apart from the cast lol) who revere EEAO.

Mikey really paid her dues in the business and deserves this.

[quote] There are people (apart from the cast lol) who revere EEAO.

No. These fictional people don’t exist.

[quote] Mikey Madison was really good in Tarantino's OUATIH as Susan Atkins. Haven't watched Anora. She is very good, I just don't like how aggressive she comes across.

She needs to be more demure!

She needs to be whatever she wants, and I get to decide whether I like her.

I agree that the idea Moore somehow 'deserved" this award just for being a big name for so long is fucked up. That's why they gave Oscars to John Wayne and Don Ameche (neither of whom were very good actors either, like Moore), and I doubt many people think those awards are still deserved.

R3 then why did Demi win the SAG (an award voted for purely by actors)?

“Oppenheimer” is a Best Picture. “The Godfather” is a Best Picture. How emo “Pretty Woman” is now considered to rank among these and other actual greats is baffling.

R94, it made like $40 million worldwide. That's hardly "unseen"

The Klan Grannies here were gloating over Andrea Riseborough getting a nomination over Viola Davis for a movie that made like 10 cents. Now people are pretending to care about box office grosses?

John Wayne was a pretty iconic actor for decades though

Demi was a huge star in the early half of the nineties and that’s it.

This Mikey person played the oldest shrieking daughter on Pamela Adlon's FX show Better Thungs. I don't remember her from OUATIH, but that whole movie was pretty forgettable IMO.

[QUOTE]There are no new movie stars today. Just pretty personalities who look on magazine covers and can wear just about anything. Hollywood has truly become a pedestal factory 24/7.

Tell me you're 80 without telling me you're 80.

Torres had a late minute surge, the NYT chose her for Best Actress and a few other prognosticators did as well. I think Torres and Demi split the "older favored actress" vote, allowing Madison to sneak in for the win.

Demi was not considered a great actress in the 90s. I was a kid, but I was well aware that she was considered second rate rather than one of the good ones. I remember that she had a few popular films, but then kept starring in these serious movies like The Scarlet Letter and G.I. Jane that I assume were intended to get her awards. Thing is, she sucked and her acting was widely mocked. Again, I was literally a kid, so my memory might be a little fuzzy, but all the adults I knew didn't think much of her.

She was a movie star, not a serious actress, true. But in films like Disclosure she showed signs of being more than capable if given the right material.

Most likely a one hit wonder. But good for her, she's got an Oscar! I'd like one myself, who wouldn't?

She's the 2020s Brie Larson.

The Substance was fantastic and this little Gen Z nobody winning proves the entire premise of the film correct.

Sheryl Lee Ralph shaded the fuck out of the movie on Twitter by saying that sex sells and sex wins awards.

The Substance speaks to an older generation of actresses who continually feel cast aside by the younger crop. Women aren't allowed to grow old in Hollywood and they don't get the prestige that the men get. This movie was profound on so many levels and so much better than some Pretty Woman rewrite. Layers of truth wrapped up in a gothic message.

Demi's performance should be studied in film schools, it is THAT profound.

R121 - lol while I don't agree with your view on the actress, that's a great observation

r25 I'll never forgive the Academy fellating Weinstein for Goop's Shakespeare in Love over the sublime performace of Blanchett's Elizabeth. At that time, she was the newbie in Hollywood. Now she's very mannered in her acting.

Ach, the comment at r124 was supposed to be for r75. Sorry don't have my glasses on.

Other than Oppenheimer, the last movie to win Best Picture that was totally deserving is 12 Years a Slave. In my opinion.

Demi should have won because she is famous. Not this nobody, even though I haven't seen her act. Only famous people should be rewarded. It's not fair. I'm telling mom!!

R121 states what the whole of Reddit is discussing since the Oscars. It is everywhere. But apparently (have seen neither movie) it is not true. Because the other party says handing out an Oscar to Moore would've said here you go, now retire, and wouldn't be what The Substance stands for, either.

R17 = Ye, formerly known as Kanye.

[quote]Sheryl Lee Ralph shaded the fuck out of the movie on Twitter by saying that sex sells and sex wins awards.

Then she’s also shading The Substance

SLR was probably supporting Cynthia Erivo, but she wasn’t nominated hobbled by Wicked being a two parter and her character arc uncompleted, until we see if she sticks the landing

Demi will be back. As said here, she's always had that Movie Star presence, and still has it in her 60s. That stuff doesn't go away with age. She also now has matured into a better actress, she will be handed great scripts going forward and will work with good directors. I can see her doing roles similar to what Kidman does nowadays, well-rounded female roles in solid indie productions. She doesn't need money so can work with whom she wants, when she wants.

She'll be back at the Oscars again, at some point.

Every generation gets cast aside by the younger generation, male and female. Yes, some male actors continue to get primo roles after turning 50, but I do not think it is as unbalanced as it was in past decades. Women are staying younger looking longer, and now there are higher expectations for men. Circle of life, folks.

R131 bunch of BS. This was her one big comeback chance. Why aren't Sharon Stone and tons of other big actors from the 80s and 90s being handed all these great scripts that you are talking about? Where are their nominations? It's not like Demi is known as the best actress of her generation or anything

I hope she stops Kidman because this woman is in everything.

Just wait until Substance II bitches

Stone is a difficult nutcase and also doesn't seem to want to work with indie writers or directors. That may be financially motivated, not sure. Kidman has made a full meal of a career working with just that, how many nominations has she had in the past 20 years? She also takes many supporting roles, Demi should also go this route (not every role is a lead)....she could well be back for a supporting or lead nomination before its all over.

In my day, lead actresses were attractive. I'm not calling Mikey ugly, but visually she's challenging to digest

Back to back best actress wins for highly sexual, nude performances. Get your tits, ass and bush out and win an Oscar. It makes sense considering women are being welcomed back to their natural function of being baby makers. Young women take note, this is what you are valued for.

r88 Mikey's face looks like it's melting. Quite beautiful if you are into candles, fire and wax.

The times are changing. Women don't have to be attractive to straight men anymore. They just have to be attractive to someone. Everyone can have an audience.

Age is never a problem for talented actors. Age is always a problem for actresses regardless of talent or goodwill.

[quote] I'm not calling Mikey ugly, but visually she's challenging to digest.

Such an elegant way to say homely. Mirror cracker is also quite tasteful.

r140 It's true. Everybody is beautiful... assuming words mean nothing.

Who the fuck was Frances McDormand before her first Oscar?

R137 Back in my day...

Not DL bitching about some woman's looks, when Barbara Streisand, one of if the most unattractive female celebrities of all times, is considered a god on this site .

R143 Straight men are not the gatekeepers anymore. If enough Gen Z or enough lesbians or enough non-binary hipsters find you attractive... get it now?

R146 And also, Adrien Brody is again omnipresent.

r137, so Bette Davis was considered attractive?

[quote] In my day, lead actresses were attractive.

[quote] In my day, lead actresses were attractive.

[quote]In my day, lead actresses were attractive.

Please don't let your misogyny show too much, given the masses of even uglier male Oscar nominees.

Mikey looks like she could be Fran Drescher's daughter. Someone needs to cast them as a mother-daughter duo in a project.

You can’t fault Mikey Madison’s performance in Anora but I thought Demi should’ve won. It was a moment this Oscar telecast desperately needed.

The Academy watched The Substance and said, “Let’s award a Sue.”

R131 awe that's cute.

R141 the reverse is also true though. To win best (male) actor a man needs like 3 nominations before it's a go. To won best actress, you do one decent film and you get an oscar.

Not shading Mikey's win, I think she's the better actress and won rightly, but it's true.

Some of you don't understand straight men. The vast majority of them would fuck Mikey Madison in a heartbeat if given the opportunity.

Demi won the SAG award from her peers, the Critics Choice Award and a Golden Globe. She overachieved during the awards season.

Had you told anyone in the 90s that Demi Moore would one day be a frontrunner for the Oscar nobody would have believed you. She is the real winner of the last couple months.

I remember seeing A Few Good Men in the theater and people laughing at Moore's poor acting alongside Cruise and Nicholson. Oscar or not she crushed it in The Substance and it reignited her career.

I think as said above she'll get her pick of a lot of the roles going to Kidman right now.

Demi is back on top at age 62 with or without Oscar. She's been everywhere the last couple months and she'll probably get her pick of roles.

The youngest heiress to the Dolly Madison Cupcakes family fortune, OP.

Demi's team drastically miscalculated their hit job. They went after and exposed the tranny when all the while they should have put their efforts on the sniveling little Gen Z bitch.

Well, I want to see Demi’s movie and not this one.

I still think a lot of the Academy voters could simply not fathom giving an Oscar to Demi Moore... particularly the older voters who remember her run of truly awful films in the 90s

Demi Moore “back on top”?

For how long? Five more minutes? Dudes, she LOST, and she lost because lots of Academy members thought she gave an overrated performance in an overrated movie.

And look at her — she’s a 62 year old woman who has had work done to look like she’s still in her 40s. Who could she play but an over-the-hill actress or an aging trophy wife? There are few enough roles for talented women in their 60s, why would anyone give Moore a job if they could get someone with real acting chops? Demi will get some mileage out of playing herself on TV chat shows, maybe she’ll get a chat show of her own. But that’s about it.

R167 truth. The roles in her age wheelhouse are still going through Cate Blanchett and Julia Roberts. Both aren't passing on the good stuff.

If The Substance hadn't had Demi Moore it would have never been nominated. Substitute Demi for, say, Victoria Principal and it would have been lucky to make the Saturn Awards.

R167 honey Julia Roberts isn't giving up those roles anyone . Just look what she's got on her slate. All those roles go through Blanchett and Roberts.

[quote]Who the fuck is Mikey Madison?

No fucking idea.

[quote]Demi Moore should have won.

No fucking way. Setting aside that it's a shit film, Moore's performance was nothing special in the least.

To be fair, the role didn't especially allow for a notable performance, but anyone saying that she was great is blinded by some strange sentimentality for an actress who has never been anything other than "adequate, I guess."

Would you like me to Google that for you, OP?

Don't kid yourselves, Julia Roberts as an actor is nothing to write home about either.

R162 = Demi's publicist's secretary working late, tirelessly trying to spin this loss.

Mikey Madison is an Oscar winner and in a film that the Criterion Collection has picked for an upcoming 4K release. Before that she was in Tarantino's OUATIH. You're welcome, OP.

[quote] Some of you don't understand straight men. The vast majority of them would fuck Mikey Madison in a heartbeat if given the opportunity.

Take off the beer goggles. Those aren’t movie-star looks.

She’s no Sydney Sweeney.

Mikey’s more of a seven bourbons at 3 AM gal.

Film is about fantasy and no one is fantasizing about Mikey Madison.

[quote] Mikey Madison is an Oscar winner and in a film that the Criterion Collection has picked for an upcoming 4K release.

“The Rock” is also a Criterion release. Only “The Rock” is entertaining.

Get off your high horse R176. There are other sections of the audience and they might see different things.

R177 Of course you would pick the one that is always picked as example how bad the quality of Criterion is, when 98% is different from The Rock. Well done.

[quote] Get off your high horse [R176]. There are other sections of the audience and they might see different things.

Exactly. Mikey is gorgeous!

Has there ever been a film that fewer people watched that won as many major awards as “Anora?” It made $15 million in the US. “Deadpool and Wolverine” made that after its first matinee.

Nobody saw this film and it’s unlikely most of the Academy did.

There must’ve been some major payola, politics and parties involved

To follow the grandeur of “Oppenheimer” with a paper-thin story about a whore marrying her John is tragic.

[quote]Has there ever been a film that fewer people watched that won as many major awards as “Anora?” It made $15 million in the US. “Deadpool and Wolverine” made that after its first matinee.

[quote]Nobody saw this film and it’s unlikely most of the Academy did.

R181: What's the fucking purpose of the awards. If only to measure the financial success, that accounting function is performed by various organizations. Just send a prize to the $ winner in each category, a nice letter to the #2 and #3 place losers, and a press release.

If it's only to pick the "best" from among the most popular, highest money-making titles (bearing ever in mind bottom line and return-on-investment), there hardly seems any point to get dressed up and parade in front of cameras on the guise that it's a competition of some some, or an award given for talent.

The wins for “Anora” are already aging like milk.

When homely coeds win Best Actress for playing a whore in “enlightened” 2025 it devalues whatever prestige was left in the trophy.

Add in the Glenn Closes and Amy Adamses of the world who have been turning in Oscar-worthy performances since Mikey Madison was playing with Barbies with zero recognition and the entire exercise turns risible.

What a sham.

This thread distills venom. Fact is, at 26, DM would have been unable to pull of the performance MM did. And her being "ugly" or not well know doesn't change that.

[quote] Fact is, at 26, DM would have been unable to pull of the performance MM did.

Pure conjecture. And a hypothetical, which is always the sign of a desperate argument.

Mikey Madison had zero business being on that stage. It’s actually shocking that the Academy is still rewarding prostitute performances. How progressive.

No one saw this movie. Including most of the voters. Something really rotten occurred.

How can you be so invested in Demi winning if you’re unfamiliar with her competition? The movie and performance had been getting tipped for oscars since Cannes last spring.

"When homely coeds win Best Actress for playing a whore in “enlightened” 2025 it devalues whatever prestige was left in the trophy."

Wake um from 1959. Prestige is also making an underseen movie visible. Prestige is also giving nods to young-ish auteurs for their unique, original output. Prestige is also valuing what a film has to say about sex positivity and toxic masculinity.

I am really over female characters being whores, but this seems to be about more than that, haven't watched the movie yet.

So I'm guessing R185 you are one of the few who have actually seen this movie, given your passionate rant against it?

[quote] Prestige is also valuing what a film has to say about sex positivity and toxic masculinity.

You are why we lose elections.

[quote] Wake um from 1959.

Ageism. How progressive.

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No, sorry dear, you can't stop moving forward and then proclaim someone pointing this out is ageist. Not how it works.

R75 = Andrew McCarthy

Agree The Substance and Moore’s performance were overrated. Gag. The last 10 minutes of Anora alone was enough to award Mikey Madison.

[quote] No, sorry dear, you can't stop moving forward and then proclaim someone pointing this out is ageist. Not how it works.

I can do whatever I want you disgusting, ageist loser. That is actually how it works. Applauding “sex positive” whore films as high art does not make you contemporary, forward thinking or sophisticated.

BTW, your use of the term “dear” hardly screams youth. Fucking ill queen.

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r185 is demented. "Zero business being on that stage"? You're ridiculous. Get over yourself.

I don't have a daughter but if I did I would make sure she never pursued a career in film where playing a whore seems to be the only way young women get recognized.

I believe Nora Ephron made a speech decades where she referenced the oscar actress nominations that year and it was-hooker, hooker, stripper, hooker, housewife or some combo thereof. Nothing has changed.

It was an exceptional, nuanced performance.

What is all this extraneous nonsense about sex positivity, looks and age?

This thread is useless as most here have not even seen the movie.

R14 it's when someone obsessively posts about a star they love. But it's down right bizarre when they troll and obsessively post about one they HATE.

R14 GET THE FUCK OVER IT. Timmy is talented and hot and most people love him. He ain't goin' anywhere.

R199 here. That first sentence should read "it's odd when someone obsessively..."

Btw my board name is PattiFan so I know of what I speak!

OP she was Susan Adkins in Once Upon a Time... in Hollywood.

Is she Asian?

[quote] I remember seeing A Few Good Men in the theater and people laughing at Moore's poor acting alongside Cruise and Nicholson

It was a losing role. A lot of actresses would have had difficulties with it as it was weakly written and reeked of misogyny next to two macho leads bloviating and hamming it up. She was written as incompetent and then Tom Cruise saves the day. Hated the movie.

The fine ladies of LSA are in agreement that Anora was nothing but exploitative soft-porn and that they feel "sorry" for Mikey Madison for appearing in a movie where she, gasp!, appeared naked and in sex scenes. When exactly did this idea begin that movies should be nothing but family friendly Wizard of Oz spinoffs and vanilla social justice melodramas ?

You're drawing the wrong conclusions I think. Women have been shown naked and as sex-workers, aka whores, all of movie history. I don't think people are against seeing men in such a role.

Demi Moore was a face that photographs well with a sexy cocaine voice but she was never an actress-actress.

[quote] I believe Nora Ephron made a speech decades where she referenced the oscar actress nominations that year and it was-hooker, hooker, stripper, hooker, housewife or some combo thereof. Nothing has changed.

You gotta love the hypocrisy that is Hollywood.

Decades of bemoaning that all the good female roles are whores. Then a few minor tweaks in semantics with rebrandings such as “sex positive” and “sex workers” with a dash of “toxic masculinity” tossed in the mix and, boom, everything old is new again.

They’re still playing whores. Dress it up with fancy, progressivisms all you want, these are whore roles. Mikey Madison even thanked whores in her acceptance speech.

Good, fucking grief. 😂

What a bunch of desperate, rationalizing loons. All for a gold trophy.

R176, Your last sentence is quite easily proven illogical.

Who do you suppose is "fantasizing" over Adrien Brody and/or his character? Who do you imagine is fantasizing over Kieran Culkin (besides RDJ)? Zoe Saldana? I'll give Demi a pass here, for the old guys in the Peanut Gallery.

Yes, we "suspend our disbelief" (tm Coleridge) when watching a movie, because fact or fiction, what we see is in only two dimensions. So in that sense all film is fantasy.

But that doesn't mean the viewer "fantasizes."

"Who do you imagine is fantasizing over Kieran Culkin (besides RDJ)? Zoe Saldana?"

Are you serious?

R207 I'm pretty sure the same people who complained back then (Nora Ephron was quoted) still complain now.

How come nobody is mentioning the fact that Mikey Madison is the first actor to play Ghostface to win an Oscar?

She was one of the two killers in Scream V (her and Jack Quaid).

She killed (or co-killed) Dewey!!

I am serious in finding neither Kieran nor Zoe (which should have had "or" preceding, so as not to suggest she fantasizes over Kieran!) "fantasize" material.

Good for you if you do.

[quote] Wake um from 1959.

[quote] Tell me you're 80 without telling me you're 80.

[quote] And look at her — she’s a 62 year old woman who has had work done to look like she’s still in her 40s.

[quote] Every generation gets cast aside by the younger generation

[quote] Nope. the old Republicunt didn’t deserve an Oscar just because she hasn’t croaked yet.

You can always count on the open-minded progressives of DL to show disdain for all types of discrimination.

Except one.

Ageism is, indeed, the last acceptable prejudice.

[quote] This thread is useless as most here have not even seen the movie.

Just like the voting members of the Academy.

R214. Touché.

[quote] [R176], Your last sentence is quite easily proven illogical.

What scientific formula are you using?

You’re fucking nuts.

[quote] I'll give Demi a pass here, for the old guys in the Peanut Gallery.

And you’re ageist as fuck.

Truly a worthless carbon life form.

Come one, R213. We are equal opportunity ageist, misogynist and racist here.

[quote] How come nobody is mentioning the fact that Mikey Madison is the first actor to play Ghostface to win an Oscar?

She should wear that mask 24/7. It would be an improvement. 😱

She did the best with the material given to her but really any competent actress in their 20s or 30s could've given this performance. Demi, Cynthia, and Fernanda were miles better. I don't love this win at all but she's not the worst best actress winner ever.

[quote] I don't love this win at all but she's not the worst best actress winner ever.

Not even close.

R220: Wanna bet?

[quote] I don't love this win at all but she's not the worst best actress winner ever.

But she’s the ugliest, right? Right?

Mikey looks like Anne Hathaway staring into a funhouse mirror.

There's simply nothing Oscar worthy or heartwarming about her performance. It's not only her. The script and everyone involved with that film is way overrated.

R222: Step out bitch!

The movie is not supposed to be heartwarming. And it certainly isn’t about being sex positive or anything to do with toxic masculinity. It’s a movie about class and religion amongst the Soviet diaspora in South Brooklyn.

And for the person asking the Asian question; she’s playing an Uzbek Bukharian Jew so I guess technically yes.

[quote] She did the best with the material given to her but really any competent actress in their 20s or 30s could've given this performance.

And any over the hill actress with mountains of plastic surgery could have played Demi Moore's role.

"It’s a movie about class and religion amongst the Soviet diaspora in South Brooklyn."

I couldn't be more interested.

Different strokes for different folks R228.

Mikey Madison is the young son of Oscar Madison and his wife, Blanche.

I would've been fine with her winning if it was the AVN awards. The first 45 minutes of the film is basically just her and the russian twink fucking. The second half is her screaming and whining.

That's one way we know why she won - at least all the straight voters watched the movie.

straight and male

Her win may not be as bad as Sandra Bullock or Helen Hunt or Reese Witherspoon but it's up there. I think it's likely not many will remember who won best actress this time next year.

The "I owe this award to sex workers" shtick she keeps serving is getting tiresome. Strippers and prostitutes are just people at the end of the day. I understand that she researched that world by talking with some of them to help form the character, but to keep deferring to and "honoring" the "community" for playing one in a movie is just dull tokenism and ultimately doesn't mean much of anything.

[quote] The "I owe this award to sex workers" shtick she keeps serving is getting tiresome.

That shtick earned her progressive points which led countless Academy voters who never saw that film - just like the rest of the worlds - to vote for her.

Exploiting whores for shallow Oscar gold. Shameless.

Mikey would make a terrific Toucan Sam in the inevitable “Fruit Loops” film.

[quote] The first 45 minutes of the film is basically just her and the russian twink fucking. The second half is her screaming and whining.

So brave.

[quote] Not DL bitching about some woman's looks, when Barbara Streisand, one of if the most unattractive female celebrities of all times, is considered a god on this site .

Uh huh.

R239 She was at her absolute most desirable in “What’s Up, Doc?” She should have kept that hair instead of adopting the fro.

R203: Having seen A FEW GOOD MEN again recently, I can tell you that your assessment of Demi Moore’s character in the film is wrong. She plays someone who is super-competent and professional, intelligent and by-the book, whereas the Cruise character is much more laid back and casual in his approach to lawyering. Eventually Moore is drawn to Cruise, while he becomes more serious and professional with her help. The movie itself doesn’t hold up well and feel endless. But everyone is shot in flattering closeups, a great opportunity to check out the stellar cast’s flawless complexions and stunning eye color.

R213: My quote is one of those you cite as an example of ageism, but you misunderstood me. My problem with Moore wasn’t that she is a 62 year old actor. My problem is that she underwent extensive plastic surgery to look perpetually 40, which means she can’t ever be credible playing a woman her actual age.

R204, ask black women.

Ask the ones who have had to whore themselves out to both black and white men in the industry in order to get a decent role or cut an album that hit the top of the charts, despite how genuinely talented they were/are. You can also ask some white and Hispanic women, too.

Regularly exploited persons tend to become socially conservative for all sorts of weird reasons…

R216, r208 suffices. But I'll add that I don't think you have good reading comprehension.

You wrote, in r176, that "Film is about fantasy." The logical flaw is that that claim is not always true. There is fantasy, but there is also truth and reality.

Moreover, when I wrote that I would give Demi "a pass," I was still on your final sentence re: "fantasizing." My comment was actually a compliment to Demi for looking good at 62. Is that "ageist"? IDGAS.

But where you are truly despicable is that you excoriate me (stupidly), yet rip Mikey Madison's physical appearance.

Hypocrisy is not cool.

Has Glen given up? I think it's cruel that she's never been awarded, she's more talented than many that have won.

Mikey is playing demure really well. Which is what any serious actress would do after diddling her puss in the wide open position in the movie that won her an Oscar.

[quote]Touché

Tooch?

R176 As a straight man, Mikey is way hotter than Sydney Sweeney

R202 Jews are technically Asian, so yeah, she is Asian.

[quote] [R176] As a straight man, Mikey is way hotter than Sydney Sweeney

Are you Andrea Bocelli?

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Demi is barely in The Substance and has very little dialogue when she is on screen. At least Mikey is in every frame of Anora.

Besides, Demi is not a great actress. Period.

[QUOTE] Demi is barely in The Substance and has very little dialogue when she is on screen.

What does the amount of dialogue a character has have anything to do with their performance? Have you ever heard of Holly Hunter (The Piano) or Jane Wyman (Johnny Belinda)? They both won Best Actress for 100% mute performances. Some of you are so fucking stupid and basic.

The desperate Demi haters need to come up with some new material.

R252 Love, you have to stop concluding that because one has a critical voice one is a hater. Such proclamations make you look certifiable childish.

[quote]To win best (male) actor a man needs like 3 nominations before it's a go.

Tell me about it!

DL doesn't believe in free speech and different opinions.

[quote] Demi is barely in The Substance

Oh, bullshit. She’s the lead actress and the film revolves around her.

She has limited dialogue because she’s ALONE. Which is a huge part of the story. She has no one.

[quote] At least Mikey is in every frame of Anora.

Unfortunately.

Barbra Streisand was a hot piece of ass back in the 1970's. Playboy wanted her to pose nude, and she was a pin up favorite of many. She dated a lot of hot guys in that decade as well.

Mikey doesn't even compare. Streisand had an aura about her.

R249 Sorry, I don't know who that is.

Haven't seen this film but watched The Substance, and that movie was a complete garbage. All the close up shots to make it more disgusting (starting with Dennis Quaid eating scrims, were so lame and unoriginal, made 100x before in the last 20 years by many other filmmakers.) I loved the original idea, to have shots that can make you look younger, but you have to stop them on time and then live a week as your old self. Loved that it was so random, no organization, no payment, you just walk into a seedy building with your mailbox. Many people complained about that part, but it didn't bother me at all. I actually preferred it, if we had the whole explanation who the people behind it are, how does it work etc.it that would ruin it. What it bother me was trying to be edgy,or even more smart (a lot smarter than it was) and to show the current state of women in the business industry I guess. Out with the old and wrinkled, in with the new and tight. The last 20 minutes.of the fil..were especially bad. Trying to be some gore bloody horror and then, the very ending? How cheesy and predictable. The head crawled to her boulevard star and die. How fitting. Can you imagine David Lynch making that type of a ending?

I'm surprised by the amount of backlash The Substance is getting in some online circles. Yes, it is an exploitation movie, and the plot is very straightforward (so is Anora's, by the way), but I found the core theme very effective: It's a simple story about hating yourself, and allowing that self-hatred to drive your life into an inescapable downward spiral of self-destruction. I thought the theme was well-executed despite all the blood and guts. The first time I saw it, the scene in which Qualley brutally beats Moore to death moved me in a way I never expected to be moved by a film like this. It perfectly distilled just how much the character loathed herself. It was depressing.

R260 You're making it sound much deeper than it really is.

[quote] [R260] You're making it sound much deeper than it really is.

Unlike the puddle-deep “Anora.”

Whore marries young, rich John. Parents annul marriage.

The end.

So profound.

🙄

Demi was good in The Substance. And it would've been fun if she won. Hollywood comebacks like Brendan Fraizer's are enjoyable. But it was by no means a "great" performance. Her not winning is not some great injustice.

R260 there was a similar movie called Seconds that did it much better.

Demi is lucky that The Substance came out last year, because next year is going to be the most competitive Oscar race in decades. She would have no chance of a nomination next year.

There will be blood at the 2026 Oscars. Just look at that potential nominees list.

Half those people won’t end up nominated. This happens every year. Last year award watchers didn’t know anything until after Cannes and Venice.

R265 Didn't Daniel Day Lewis retired from acting?

Well, Pretty Woman did it much better than Anora.

Either Cynthia or Arianna will be getting it for Wicked next year. Maybe both.

Unless Glenn finally gets it. Then it will be Cynthia.

Most competitive my ass. People will be screaming locks by November.

Wicked will get the LOTR treatment.

I guess we now have to pay attention to what comes out of Cannes.

r265: The only lock is Jeremy Allen White. Musical biopic = automatic lock.

R265, r271: Hello? DDL for days! A comeback AND Oscar history with #4!

JAW as Bruuuuuce?! Bwahahahaha! Fuhgeddaboutit.

R267, See r272.

R274 Nepo baby? Fuck that.

They need to be fumigated.

Oh, Jesus, can’t we give up this Glenn Close shit? Why is this bitch fixated on getting an Oscar (or why is the media fixated on getting her one?) She never gave a shit about Hollywood when she was active in movies.

The camera has never been kind to her, she always looked mannish and unattractive, she never won in the past because she just misses as a screen presence. She is not and never has been a movie star.

She’s the butch who upset your idol OP. Deal.

R257 Yeah but she uses deoderant for that now.

R264 And Death Becomes her that did it much funnier.

R264 And Death Becomes Her that did it much funnier.

Julia Roberts is going to be widely pushed for her second Oscar next year. That script was heavily sought after and Brian Grazer personally picked her to platy iy. And that bitch will not be denied a second Oscar.

Everyone knows that cunt will not rest without a second Oscar. And she will make sure she gets it.

Her problem is going to be Luca. He is box office and award season poison.

R267 he’s coming out of retirement for a film his son is directing.

R275, Please. That is about the lamest "argument."

Douglas Fairbanks, JR.

Noah Beery, JR.

Lon Chaney, JR.

Tyrone Power, JR.

Peter Donat.

Robert Walker JR.

Ricky Nelson.

RDJ.

Michael Douglas.

Charlie Sheen and Emilio Estevez.

Kate Hudson.

Kiefer Sutherland.

Josh Brolin.

Robin Thicke.

Max Irons.

Alexander Skarsgard.

Jeff Bridges.

Jane Fonda. Peter Fonda.

Rob Reiner.

Enrique Iglesias.

George Clooney.

Chris Pine.

For starters.

[quote] The only lock is Jeremy Allen White. Musical biopic = automatic lock.

Considering A Complete Unknown went 0 for 8, there might be major musical biopic fatigue.

Where did that nepo baby bs come from? Are they so ignorant that they don’t understand why last names like Taylor, Miller and Clark are so common?

R285 = Someone in the business with a vested interest in making nepo babies a thing. Peddle your marketing B.S. elsewhere.

And Kate Hudson? One more reason nepos should be shunned.

You really are fucking clueless.

[quote]Film is about fantasy

R176 Film is about storytelling, you simpleton.

R289 = Alistair Cooke‘s bowel movement.

[quote]Julia Roberts is going to be widely pushed for her second Oscar next year.

Jennifer Lawrence is winning for Die, My Love. She'll get a second Oscar before Julia.

The Best Actor race next year is going to have DDL, DiCaprio and Chalamet. That's going to be iconic.

r291 = Ted Casablancas.

Both Jennifer Lawrence and Julia are lucky to even have one oscar. Neither of them will be getting a second one, especially Julia. That win was one of the worst, given the competition. And Lawrence was a Weinstein pushed media creation.

[quote]The camera has never been kind to her, she always looked mannish and unattractive,

Glenn was sexy as fuck in Fatal Attraction. Meryl wishes she could have done a role like that. Glenn is a movie star through and through and one of the best actresses of her generation.

For the love of God please not Chalamet again. Does Hollywood really want to endure another round of his campaigning?

I think the JLaw win was egregious but I've never understood the Julia hate. She was the biggest movie star at the time and Erin Brockovich was a huge hit. Yes Burstyn was more deserving but no real person ever watched Requiem for a Dream. It's not like Julia was Sandra Bullock level terrible.

Julia is an elitist stuck up Hollywood snob who considers herself among the grande dames of movie stars and she wants that second Oscar. She knows all the beloved stars get two and that cunt always gets what she wants.

Luca cling a career best performance by Roberts

Claiming*

At least there are actual movie stars included in R265's post

[quote]Yes Burstyn was more deserving but no real person ever watched Requiem for a Dream

WTF does that even mean?

All the nominees that year gave better performances than Julia. It wasn't even a case of one nominee being better. They all were. And they were in movies that had depth. Erin Brockovich was your basic standard TV movie of the week made for the big screen.

Chocolat was terrible

And yet it was still better than Erin Brockovich

Gillian Anderson (The House of Mirth) and Björk (Dancer in the Dark) deserved nominations that year. Björk or Ellen Burstyn should have won.

Roberts and Lawrence are both in the inner circle of Hollywood. I don't either would have a problem getting a second Oscar especially Julia who is considered an icon.

Chocolat was not a better film than EB not even close. While it may be down the line straight up glossy studio fare it was extremely well put together. The writing, directing, lighting and acting were all very well executed.

[quote]especially Julia who is considered an icon.

To women of a certain age. She hasn't had a hit movie in twenty-five years. Pretty much every film she's done then has gone largely unnoticed. The younger generations aren't checking for her anymore.

She already got an Oscar for being one of the biggest actresses of the 90's and being a box office draw. It's going to take something much, much more substantial to get number two. And I don't think one good performance is going to cut it when there are younger actresses who are putting in great work.

As for Jennifer Lawrence, her career has been very low level since Weinstein got busted, and for good reason. She was largely pushed by him. Two of her four Oscar nominations are for roles she was much too young for, and which were considered undeserved. I don't see her getting number two by a long shot.

Neither of them are Streep, McDormand or Blanchett level thespians.

You speak as though Gen Z Insta hoes and bros are the ones voting on Oscars. It's an industry award. To any young actress coming up Roberts is considered a legend. In fact most actors young or old who work with her often mention what's it like to first meet her or see her on a set. Maybe they haven't seen many of her movies but they probably haven't seen Elizabeth Taylor's either but given their career choice they understand she's a big deal.

R306 Adrien Brody, a complete nobody compared to Julia Roberts, just won his second Oscar. Not even saying his win was deserved or not, but Julia is a bigger star by several orders of magnitude

Julia WAS a bigger star. Where the hell has she been?

R309 Leave The World Behind is the 5th most streamed movie in Netflix history, she is a frontrunner for an Oscar next year for a film produced by Brian Grazer and Ron Howrad's company that every A-list actress wanted including Cate Blanchett, Jodie Foster and Sandra Bullock, and she's currently in London filming a thriller for Warner Bros who won a bidding war with all studios by agreeing to release in theaters.

Im not sure what After The Hunt is about really. But it got really high grades in test screenings because it tackles cancel culture seriously. Aimed at getting people talking.

I was rooting for Fernando ☹️

R306 Ho please. Even Gen Zers know her films.

There is not a male or female of any conscious age alive who has not not seen Pretty Woman. Please.

R309 what the fuck are you talking about? To most young people she's the most famous actress they've ever heard of. Whether they've seen her movies or not. You think they know who Audrey Hepburn is?

R309 = Vera Moder.

I wasn’t aware Julia Roberts was a DL poster.

I don't get it, r310. Reading the plot on Wikipedia makes me think what a stupid movie this is.

I am definitely not averse to symbolism. But when it includes allusions to "The West Wing" and "Friends" as a plot point? That's just silly.

It was a terrible movie, hinging on the teen daughter finally seeing the "Friends" finale. But it was hugely popular, despite that, and Julia Roberts does have that star power. Can't fake it.

"Die, My Love" is produced by Martin Scorcese and directed by the brilliant Lynne Ramsay. I think Jennifer is going to be a top contender this year.

I also see Sissy Spacek and Nick Nolte getting nominations for the movie, too. When was the last time Spacek got a nomination? Nolte's was Prince of Tides.

Julia Roberts publicist has joined the chat apparently.

She’s one of our greatest actors, OP.

[quote] Please don't let your misogyny show too much, given the masses of even uglier male Oscar nominees.

Oh please. You're posturing and have you have no reason to do so Nobody said anything whatsoever about male actors. Someone had said on this thread that in his day, actresses who won the Oscar were attractive, and that's what those posts were responding to.

I hate this kind of faux-outrage bullshit.

[quote] When was the last time Spacek got a nomination?

In The Bedroom? 2002?

Yes, R324.

I’m don’t think that Julia Roberts film is going to do anything. It’s already over hyped.

Julia Roberts and Ayo Edibiri? Sure.

I’m getting a female version of The Human Stain (with Anthony Hopkins & Nicole Kidman) with this new Julia film.

Hollywood will get her a second Oscar eventually.

She is a lovely young lady- with a great kindness and. a great speaking voice (see interviews on YT) I adored Anora and her performance. I adored her costar just as much- just a perfect performance that truly gave the film its soul- Yura Borisov.

And this is from someone who was OBSESSED with The Substance and was pulling for Demi- hard.

I could feel a sudden end of momentum for Demi right around voting time- I think the film turned many off- (clearly more than could be turned off by Anora)

When Mikey won, I was shocked but understood. Thankfully, I loved the film. For me it was The Substance, Anora, and The Brutalist. (for 2024 films)

You were all deranged if you really believed that they would ever give an Oscar to a B film. Many posters mentioned it before the awards.

Glenn Close has never been “sexy as fuck” in anything, which has been the major problem in her career, and the reason this very competent actress has never been a star.

I remember seeing her early in her film career in “The Natural,” where there is a sudden closeup glamour shot of her in an organdy hat, the sun providing golden backlighting. Any regular moviegoer understood this is when we were meant to drink in the feminine beauty of the leading lady. Instead there was an abrupt hush in the theater for a moment, followed by derisive tittlers and then outright laughter. Ms. Close looked like her “The World Accordong to Garp” character, a strong-faced man trying to pass himself off as beautiful woman. No one was buying it then and no one ever has since.

Acting talent has never been enough to make a real movie star. Close always just misses, lacking the X factor that causes an audience to fall into admiration and a kind of crush. Apart from poor looks, she has always been too cold and imperious a presence for that. During her glory days when she worked a lot and was getting Oscar nods, she never seemed to care for Hollywood or awards. Her transparent hunger for them now is pathetic.

[quote] Ms. Close looked like her “The World Accordong to Garp” character, a strong-faced man trying to pass himself off as beautiful woman.

That was John Lithgow's character.

[QUOTE] That was John Lithgow's character.

Yeah, I was about to say. Umm, are you sure you’ve actually seen The World According to Garp? Glenn Close plays the mother of Robin Williams (and Jessica Tandy’s daughter) who brings the MTF trans woman, played by John Lithgow, into Garp’s life.

Close and Lithgow both received their first Oscar nominations for the film. I think it was Glenn’s film debut.

He's right about how Harvey Weinstein ruined the Oscars for the general public. Now, only boring independent films can win Oscars. Oppenheimer was the only big movie to win BP in years.

What a whiner Joe Russo is--like anyone would have voted for "Avengers: Endgame" as Best Picture had Harvey Weinstein not come along.

Weinstein was disgraced years ago, and his influence in Hollywood today is negligible.

I saw "Anora" last night and I was impressed with it. It certainly would not have been my choice for something deserving of Best Picture (I would have gone with "A Complete Unknown"), but it was very well made and intelligent nonetheless, and I liked that it was mostly a comedy but with an absolutely devastating ending.

I also have no problem with Mikey Madison winning Best Actress. It was an excellent portrayal, and she's shown she can do superb work in other films. I would have given it to Fernanda Torres, but it's an uphill battle for most non-English performances to win an Oscar for acting. I certainly don't think it should have gone to Moore--she's fine in her role, but she's basically playing herself, and it's not like she's consistently done good work over the course of her career.

Because Madison is so young (comparatively) and not conventionally pretty (despite the nice body), it may be that this Oscar will actually be an albatross around her neck, the way Adrien Brody has whined his first Oscar was. But as long as she doesn't mistakenly think she's going to get cast in leading parts all the time (the way Brody did), she'll do fine and should be able to get good character roles.

Conan O'Brien will be back as host of next year's Oscars. He can thank the Wicked performance with Ariana and Cynthia for reviving his career.

The O’Brien-hosted Oscars generated many rave reviews , attracted a five-year high in both total viewers (19.69 million) and adults 18-49 (4.54 rating), and ranked as the No. 1 primetime entertainment telecast in both total viewers and adults for the 2024-25 season. It also generated 104.2 million total social interactions, ranking as the No. 1 most-socialed TV program season-to-date, outperforming both the Grammys (102.2 million) and the Super Bowl (62.4 million) for the first time.

I had to be talked into watching "Anora" by somebody who saw it before me.

I resisted it. Despite its being marketed as a comedy (and it definitely has its effective comedic moments) I knew from the reviews that it was deeply sad, too. I'm already sad. I just want nonsense escapism. I can't wait for "Superman" to come out in July.

Wow.

I'm on record as believing the Oscars are a joke and I stand by that, but, as long as the're handing them out ostensibly on talent and "best performance", Madison earned the Oscar.

(I haven't yet watched "The Substance".)

Sure, the screenplay calls for sex and Madison screaming profanity-laced dialog and well, just plain screaming.

But it was her quiet moments, the silent expressions on her face as reality sets in, that broke my cinematic heart. It's up to the audience how we interpret how she's feeling but I believed she fell helplessly in love with that moronic 21-year-old brat, and she got her heart stomped.

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When he runs away and doesn't come back or contact her, and while they're tracking him down, Madison's face and eyes convey, no dialog, that deep in her heart she knows it's over. Yet, she wants her heart to be wrong. Her words and actions seem to convince herself and you watching her that when she says "I need to talk to him" seemingly because she believes he's going to maintain the marriage, seriously, that gutted me.

There's also the scene when Igor is with her in her last night in the mansion and he lets her say the meanest things to him and he remains kind, because he knows she's helplessly weak and heartbroken. That was another stand-out moment for both actors. Igor is a deeply appealing character.

I get it. "Anora" certainly isn't for everybody. But without seeing it, to argue Madison's performance wasn't deserving, All I can say is just watch it.

Oh Della, you nailed this and reminded me of things about the film that I never verbalized. I adored the film (for me it was 2nd after The Substance and before The Brutalist.

Mikey was AMAZING... And again, for those who have not seen some interviews with her - Go to YT- this is a lovely, lovely girl.

Igor was everything for me.

I loved Anora-

Hell, I even loved the decrepit old man who owned the Ice Cream shoppe! He was funny as hell!

*Ahoy, r339 (waving at you)*

Another aspect of "Anora" that I enjoyed-

I was beside myself with excitement both times I've been in NY City. The 2nd time was 2015. My relative I was with who knows NY City very well had us take the subway out to Coney Island.

The long subway ride from Manhattan, people watching and gazing out the window at the rooftops and vista then arriving and walking to the boardwalk at Coney Island, sticking my feet into the Atlantic Ocean, all of those things are so memorable.

Seeing the locations "Anora" brought that all back to me and I appreciated that.

Love Mikey since Better Things and she did a fine job in Anora, but I didn't care for the movie. The depiction of sex work was completely off base. I really expected better from Sean Baker. If Toni Collette didn't win for Hereditary, there was no chance Demi would win for The Substance.

Of course Cynthia Erivo who not only sang beautifully, she made audiences laugh and cry, not once but twice is not worthy of an Oscar. Oh maybe in the supporting because colored girls only get the supporting award.

This one will have her own sitcom on Hulu in five years "Oh That Mikey!".

R341 I just saw it. I can see why it won. The dialogue and story was very well done. A little boring and one note at times, but it wasn't glib and surface.

Although something about it was like, if you took a campy movie like Mother, Juggs and Speed and remade it as a serious movie. That's the feeling of this movie. I can't tell if it would have been better being a full on Tarantino movie.

But it works. Taps into the human condition in a real way that's peaceful at times.

R342 Just STFU.

R342, It's not the race, it's the nudity.

So we didn't get the first trans woman winner, we just got a girl with a boys name...inching closer and closer!

I didn’t realise Cynthia Erivo is a noted comedienne.

R347, You're about 50 years late on that uptake!