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Critically acclaimed albums or recording artists you don't like

Has there ever been an album that is critically acclaimed that you just cannot get into or just don't like? Any particular musicians that are constantly youted as genius by Rolling Stone, or whoever, but you just don't like?

I kept seeing recommendations for Lucinda Williams "Car Wheels on a Gravel Road" as an outstanding and one of the best albums of all time. I took a listen to it and found her singing awful and the album unlistenable. She sounds half asleep, off-key and nasally.

I also find The Beatles "Sgt Peppers Lonely Hearts Club" very overrated. Not that I don't like The Beatles, but I don't think this album deserves to be at the top of every "greatest Albums of All Time" list.

by Anonymousreply 238April 16, 2025 2:45 AM

The Beatles...I don't dislike them, even really like a couple of their songs but way overrated. The only contemporary equivalent to overrated-ness is Yaylor Swift though the former at least had a few good songs

by Anonymousreply 1February 21, 2025 6:35 PM

I’m not into Taylor Swift or Lady GaGa

I’ll listen to them if I’m in a car with people who like them, or anywhere else if I’m a guest, but otherwise, no.

Same goes for most of the stuff Beyoncé puts out.

This doesn’t mean I dislike them or their music. I just don’t connect to them/it as others do.

by Anonymousreply 2February 21, 2025 6:36 PM

OP Sgt Pepper was revolutionary, it was the first concept album.

by Anonymousreply 3February 21, 2025 6:38 PM

I'll state the obvious: Kanye.

I remember how soon after he emerged everybody was claiming him a musical "genius". Admittedly, I've never been a fan of rap so I shouldn't judge rap artists, but he was being called a brilliant musician, even by white people. I felt music had nothing to do with it.

It was only later when all his personality defects emerged I started calling him what everybody now seems go agree on. He's a POS.

by Anonymousreply 4February 21, 2025 6:41 PM

Bob Dylan

by Anonymousreply 5February 21, 2025 6:46 PM

Paul Simon

Tom watts

by Anonymousreply 6February 21, 2025 6:47 PM

R2, Gaga and Taylor are not that critically acclaimed.

by Anonymousreply 7February 21, 2025 6:50 PM

OP, Sgt. Peppers has lost favor vs Revolver in the past few decades. I actually love Peppers and find Revolver boring but I think I'm very much in the minority on that, not just with critics but with other Beatles fans too.

by Anonymousreply 8February 21, 2025 6:51 PM

You have to understand the Beatles in context. Sgt Peppers was revolutionary. It was, without a doubt, the most influential album of the 1960s.

by Anonymousreply 9February 21, 2025 6:52 PM

Nirvana. Kurt Cobain has the same kind of overblown "mystique" that the Kennedys have. His death makes people overrate everything Nirvana ever did.

JONI MITCHELL--I respect her songwriting but her early work is like a bunch of cats dying. Her voice sounded much better as an older woman (her later version of Both Sides Now is better than the original)

Neutral Milk Hotel

Bob Dylan

Most NYC punk music. Completely overrated since most music critics back in the day were centered in NYC. English and West Coast punk destroys it.

by Anonymousreply 10February 21, 2025 6:54 PM

R9, agreed. It was THE counter culture album. It broke the door wide open for avant-garde music.

by Anonymousreply 11February 21, 2025 6:55 PM

^ Oh and BTW: I grew up with the Beatles. Even saw them in concert. . I've heard their stuff so much, it now sounds like Musak to me. There are so many other bands from the 1960s that I choose to listen to over the Beatles. But you can't deny their greatness and influence.

by Anonymousreply 12February 21, 2025 6:56 PM

R4, it's mainly for his production values, not his rapping. I don't like rap much either but I do think his production skills are amazing.

by Anonymousreply 13February 21, 2025 6:56 PM

Wilco.

Wilco, Wilco, WILCO.

by Anonymousreply 14February 21, 2025 6:57 PM

R9/R12, I am jealous. I was born in 1987 so that was obviously not an option. Poor John. Anyways, I actually went in the other direction. I didn't get what the big deal was about them. But I listened to their entire catalogue in 2022 and now I'm a massive fan. I have the super deluxe editions of three of their albums. Totally worth every penny.

by Anonymousreply 15February 21, 2025 6:58 PM

Pretty much everything Rolling Stone magazine named the best album of the year for the past 30 years.

by Anonymousreply 16February 21, 2025 6:59 PM

“Dark Side of the Moon”.

I don’t think it’s bad music or anything, I just can’t believe so many people bought it and love it and it’s one of the biggest albums of all time.

If you had told me it sold a million records when it came out, I’d say oh wow!

But 45 million? Wtf

by Anonymousreply 17February 21, 2025 7:00 PM

Fleetwood Mac, Rumors. I don't understand how this is one of the biggest records of all time. It's boring!!!

by Anonymousreply 18February 21, 2025 7:08 PM

I think you mean popular rather than critically acclaimed. No respectable music critic thought that John Lennon, Paul McCartney, George Harrison and Ringo Starr were the best musicians and songwriters of their time. They were just really good at what they did and had an absolute genius named George Martin producing their records. "Sgt. Pepper" earned its popularity.

by Anonymousreply 19February 21, 2025 7:09 PM

[quote]I think you mean popular rather than critically acclaimed. No respectable music critic thought that John Lennon, Paul McCartney, George Harrison and Ringo Starr were the best musicians and songwriters of their time.

You're w wrong about that. Lennon/McCartney were highly regarded by music critics at the time. They were 20 year olds writing standards like "Yesterday" and "Something" and being covered by the greats.

by Anonymousreply 20February 21, 2025 7:15 PM

[quote]OP Sgt Pepper was revolutionary, it was the first concept album.

However revolutionary it may have been, it was absolutely not even close to the first concept album. That honor probably goes to Woody Guthrie's album Dust Bowl Ballads from 1940.

by Anonymousreply 21February 21, 2025 7:17 PM

Nick Cave

Radiohead

Tom Waits

Mumford & Sons

Vampire Weekend

Arcade Fire

by Anonymousreply 22February 21, 2025 7:26 PM

R21 True but Guthrie did not start a trend with his. The Beatle did however. SPLHCB was massively influential.

by Anonymousreply 23February 21, 2025 7:28 PM

The Beatles

by Anonymousreply 24February 21, 2025 7:39 PM

Sailing, the song and the album by Christopher Cross.

by Anonymousreply 25February 21, 2025 7:39 PM

R24 = Yoko Ono

by Anonymousreply 26February 21, 2025 7:40 PM

I never cared for Amy Winehouse.

by Anonymousreply 27February 21, 2025 7:46 PM

Anything that came out after the year 2000 is, with few exceptions, just noise.

by Anonymousreply 28February 21, 2025 7:50 PM

Adele. Her albums after her breakthrough "21" are really underwhelming. That "Hello" song from the album "25" and her belting in it are so annoying and I genuinely couldn't understand the acclaim the song and that album got. She is a very one note artist. She also gets points for ridiculous titles for her albums. 19, 21, 25, 30.... What the fuck is this some kind of bingo entries?

by Anonymousreply 29February 21, 2025 8:06 PM

Ofra Haza's "Shaday." I really did try to like it.

by Anonymousreply 30February 21, 2025 8:18 PM

Bob Dylan. Great songwriter but horrible voice. Always sounds off key.

by Anonymousreply 31February 21, 2025 8:25 PM

The Rolling Stones. The universal opinion is that they are the greatest live act of all time and one of the five or so greatest rock groups of all time. I"m sure the former is true but I think their music sucks. I get WHY they are loved but I just think there are so many greater heavy blues based rock bands out there.

by Anonymousreply 32February 21, 2025 8:59 PM

“Back in my day” SPIN, Q, Rolling Stone etc all insisted I should love the whole of Daydream Nation by Sonic Youth.

I tried, I really did. Nope.

by Anonymousreply 33February 21, 2025 9:05 PM

R30 I remember that album. I thought she sounded a bit like Streisand.

by Anonymousreply 34February 21, 2025 9:43 PM

R33, same. More pretentious NYC rock music/art rock. It bored the shit out of me.

by Anonymousreply 35February 21, 2025 9:43 PM

Bruce Springsteen

Tom Waits

Elvis Costello

Van Morrison

Wilco

by Anonymousreply 36February 21, 2025 9:47 PM

Barbara - Yentl

by Anonymousreply 37February 21, 2025 9:48 PM

Barbra

by Anonymousreply 38February 21, 2025 9:48 PM

R30 Ofra Haza Galbi is my jam

by Anonymousreply 39February 21, 2025 9:49 PM

A lot of those rock albums that critics were creaming their pants in the 90's: Beck, PJ Harvey, Radiohead, Alice In Chains, post-grunge sludge... I liked occasional singles off those records but, overall, I found a lot of them to be the case of emperor's new clothes. A lot of those 90's UK trip hop albums are in the same category.

by Anonymousreply 40February 21, 2025 9:55 PM

How can anyone not like Paul Simon?

I never got the hype about the Beatles

by Anonymousreply 41February 21, 2025 10:12 PM

How can anyone not like Paul Simon?

I never got the hype about the Beatles

by Anonymousreply 42February 21, 2025 10:12 PM

I love The Stones and have for decades. However, I do think their last great album was Some Girls.

by Anonymousreply 43February 21, 2025 10:16 PM

I'm shocked by these responses. I thougt DL had better taste.

by Anonymousreply 44February 21, 2025 10:16 PM

The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill

by Anonymousreply 45February 21, 2025 10:19 PM

The Smiths. I really love "Every day is like Subday" but the rest of the songs sound just like it without being as good. That haughty, off putting Morissey "voice" is a nuisance after a couple of songs, too.

by Anonymousreply 46February 21, 2025 10:19 PM

R46 Johnny Marr is awesome, though.

by Anonymousreply 47February 21, 2025 10:22 PM

R3 - it was not the first concept album.

1980 interview, Lennon stated that his compositions had nothing to do with the Sgt. Pepper concept, adding: "Sgt. Pepper is called the first concept album, but it doesn't go anywhere ... it works because we said it worked."

It's hard to separate 1960s pop culture and the Beatles - it was so intertwined. They're really a one-off - not sure you could ever recreate that. They absorbed and reflected what was going on in larger pop culture - bringing a lot of 60s Swinging London ideas to America.

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by Anonymousreply 48February 21, 2025 10:23 PM

I'll say it since no one has the balls to do so : Michael Jackson's THRILLER. Over-rated.

by Anonymousreply 49February 21, 2025 10:23 PM

R40, I am an Alice in Chains fan, they were never acclaimed in the way the other bands you listed were. I loved PJ Harvey when I was younger but her only albums that stood the test of time from her peak creative time period are Rid of Me and Stories from the City.

by Anonymousreply 50February 21, 2025 10:25 PM

R49, I'm not sure if Thriller is overrated but almost everything he did AFTER that certainly is. Each album seemed to be less creative than the previous one. And the public ate it up! Madonna and Janet were pushing pop forward while Michael coasted on Thriller up until that awful You Rock My World exposed him as being all out of ideas.

by Anonymousreply 51February 21, 2025 10:27 PM

R40 - Agreed. I'll add almost all grunge music to that list - I just could never get into it and I was the right age for it. Of course being gay - I probably wasn't the exact target audience.

You have to remember - a lot of music critics and industry writers are 'in the system' particularly back then. Front row tickets, backstage passes, interviews with bands - it's all about access. You can't shit over a band and expect to get access later.

So a lot of reviews and writings about new popular music have to be taken with a grain of salt. I also feel like music is THE most subjective art.

by Anonymousreply 52February 21, 2025 10:29 PM

R49, also, every song Michael Jackson ever did involving children or world peace is automatically terrible. Like that song Heal the World. Just pure shit.

by Anonymousreply 53February 21, 2025 10:30 PM

I don't enjoy most of Beyoncé's music. Too many ideas jammed into each song at the expense of melody and, beyond that, an affection for minor-key close harmonies that I find grating. I can respect the craft -- up to a point -- but I rarely want to listen to it a second time.

by Anonymousreply 54February 21, 2025 10:31 PM

Never warmed up to Steely Dan.

by Anonymousreply 55February 21, 2025 10:32 PM

R51 - Are you calling "Bad" bad? Shamon? Ee-hee!

It was pretty ridiculous - he went cuckoo after Thriller.

The only good song was "The Way You Make Me Feel". Dirty Diana was crap. Bad was crap. So was Smooth Criminal, I just can't stop loving you, and Man in the Mirror.

Thriller and Bad are just so different - and not in a good way.

by Anonymousreply 56February 21, 2025 10:32 PM

R46 - I don't think you really know The Smiths. Their songs can sound wildly different.

The song Everyday is Like Sunday is a solo Morrissey song - not a Smiths song. And yes, without Marr and his band mates, his songs did start to sound similar.

But not The Smiths.

by Anonymousreply 57February 21, 2025 10:40 PM

[quote]1980 interview, Lennon stated that his compositions had nothing to do with the Sgt. Pepper concept, adding: "Sgt. Pepper is called the first concept album, but it doesn't go anywhere ... it works because we said it worked."

It doesn't matter what Lennon said years after the fact. You might want to check in on what McCartney said about it. Musicologists, critics, the public, their peers...saw it as a concept album. Because that's what it was.

"In November, during his and Evans' return flight from Kenya, McCartney had an idea for a song that eventually formed the impetus of the Sgt. Pepper concept. His idea involved an Edwardian-era military band, for which Evans invented a name in the style of contemporary San Francisco-based groups such as Big Brother and the Holding Company and Quicksilver Messenger Service. In February 1967, McCartney suggested that the new album should represent a performance by the fictional band. This alter ego group would give them the freedom to experiment musically by releasing them from their image as Beatles. Martin recalled that the concept was not discussed at the start of the sessions, but it subsequently gave the album "a life of its own". "The music journalist Chet Flippo stated that McCartney was inspired to record a concept album after hearing Freak Out!"

by Anonymousreply 58February 21, 2025 10:42 PM

r58 - but it wasn't the FIRST concept album and it was a loose concept.

Not saying it wasn't good and didn't push them creatively in a huge way - but a lot of things were being experimented and pushed in the late 60s.

I just wish people would recognize how much they borrowed and were influenced by others - instead it always makes it out like they were some musical geniuses and pioneers on their own, which isn't true. They were very much a product of their time and the things going on around them.

by Anonymousreply 59February 21, 2025 11:41 PM

R58 You can cite the pre war 1940 Woodie Guthrie, but Sergeant Pepper was the first modern concept album, the one that started a whole trend in popular music.

by Anonymousreply 60February 22, 2025 12:00 AM

[quote]Not saying it wasn't good and didn't push them creatively in a huge way - but a lot of things were being experimented and pushed in the late 60s.

It's pretty obvious you weren't around in the 1960s.

And BTW, the Beatles never shied away from mentioning who and what influenced their music.

by Anonymousreply 61February 22, 2025 12:03 AM

R4 He is one. My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy is the best album of the 21st century but if you don’t like hip-hop you won’t get it.

by Anonymousreply 62February 22, 2025 12:11 AM

Kanye West album is number 17 on Rolling Stone's 500 Greatest Albums of All Time. That should tell you something about RS's list.

by Anonymousreply 63February 22, 2025 12:26 AM

That crappy Lucinda Williams album is number 98.

by Anonymousreply 64February 22, 2025 12:28 AM

[quote] the Beatles never shied away from mentioning who and what influenced their music.

Including Paul's admiration of and inspiration from Brian Wilson. I actually thought of Pet Sounds as a concept album, Brian's musical meanderings on the meaning of being a teen or young man in the 1960s.

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by Anonymousreply 65February 22, 2025 12:30 AM

Most Taylor Swift

by Anonymousreply 66February 22, 2025 12:42 AM

Radiohead

These days, Chapel Groan.

by Anonymousreply 67February 22, 2025 12:47 AM

Lady Gaga--interesting for two years and then boring as shit. I think she made the mistake of insisting around the time of Born this Way that she is an "artiste", instead of an entertainer. The general public didn't like that and got sick of her schtick.

by Anonymousreply 68February 22, 2025 1:04 AM

Another reason why Michael Jackson’s “Bad” isn’t as good as “Thriller” and “Off the Wall” was that the late, great Rod Temperton didn’t pen any songs on the album. Michael decided to write the bulk of the songs on “Bad” except two.

by Anonymousreply 69February 22, 2025 1:14 AM

anything by Aretha Franklin. I hate the fat ass bitch.

by Anonymousreply 70February 22, 2025 1:16 AM

Nope. Aretha Franklin was untouchable and one of a kind in her peak. Ain't no way, Never loved a man, Dr. Feel Good. And she was even better live.

On a different note, Heal the World is a beautiful song by MJ.

by Anonymousreply 71February 22, 2025 1:46 AM

Everything by Madonna that isn't "Like a Prayer."

by Anonymousreply 72February 22, 2025 1:48 AM

What about movies/ directors. I nominate David Lynch

by Anonymousreply 73February 22, 2025 2:08 AM

Sgt. PEPPER.

by Anonymousreply 74February 22, 2025 2:26 AM

I get Nirvana and Radiohead not so much Mumford & Sons and Wilco. And some rappers like Kanye who i never felt had a real voice which to me is what speaks to me in rap music. Tupac, Dre, Eminem even Kendrick Lamar and Childish Gambino I hear a voice and get more out of than poppy Drake and 50n Cent and especially that garbage happy rap of Nelly.

by Anonymousreply 75February 22, 2025 2:37 AM

Joanna Newsom

dear god not again

by Anonymousreply 76February 22, 2025 2:40 AM

Sondra Prill and her cover of New Attitude. As soon as she released this it was over for us.

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by Anonymousreply 77February 22, 2025 3:35 AM

Florence (and the Machine). Good god, not an on-pitch note to be heard.

by Anonymousreply 78February 22, 2025 3:58 AM

Anita Baker. Sounds like she has marbles in her mouth.

by Anonymousreply 79February 22, 2025 3:59 AM

Michael Jackson. Even before the molestation allegations i thought he sucked.

by Anonymousreply 80February 22, 2025 4:10 AM

Rock critics were often going on about something that didn't make sense. Michael Jackson, Bob Dylan, the Beatles and the Grateful Dead are overrated. Dylan is a fine singer/songwriter who had an influence, but not a genius. There is always some drugged out hippie calling him that but no. Michael Jackson's songs were well-crafted, well-produced somewhat cheesy pop songs. They aren't genius. Some Beatles songs are up there but others are simple pop songs. The Beatles weren't Jimi Hendricks, Eric Clapton or the Stones. The Grateful Dead had no talent and were a place for people to gather and take drugs. The things their fans projected on to them were delusional.

by Anonymousreply 81February 22, 2025 4:12 AM

I don’t hate them nirvana are overrated. And their fans who blame Courtney Love for every bad thing in Kurt Cobains life piss me off. Like a drug addict needs anybody’s help being self destructive.

by Anonymousreply 82February 22, 2025 4:17 AM

[quote]Dylan is a fine singer/songwriter who had an influence, but not a genius.

Please list the popular songwriters that can compare to the quality of Dylan's oeuvre.

[quote]The Beatles weren't Jimi Hendricks, Eric Clapton or the Stones.

They were miles above.

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by Anonymousreply 83February 22, 2025 4:23 AM

[quote]The Beatles weren't Jimi Hendricks, Eric Clapton or the Stones.

This is what you don't get about the Beatles.

What post WWII songwriters have had their work recorded by so many, so varied, performers? Name them.

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by Anonymousreply 84February 22, 2025 4:28 AM

Actually R9, The Beach Boys’ Pet Sounds preceded it.

The Beatles said Sgt. Pepper was created in response to Pet Sounds and how it inspired them, changed and expanded their ideas about pop music.

Pet Sounds was the most influential. And it sounds like it.

by Anonymousreply 85February 22, 2025 4:37 AM

[quote]Pet Sounds was the most influential.

Not true. It didn't shake up the music industry anywhere near the way Sgt. Pepper's did.

by Anonymousreply 86February 22, 2025 4:48 AM

Because of Kurt’s death, Nirvana only released 2 albums, 3 if you count Bleach. They were always going to seem overrated.

The major label debut, Nevermind, sounded fresh as a daisy at the time and mostly had a commercial sheen - I mean, you could really move to it. It made you move. It was of a piece with Achtung Baby which was released just a few months later, in terms of commercial appeal. That’s probably what makes it sound overrated now. At the time, it was the standard and, in terms of song writing, was well above anything else in the grunge genre. The imitators paled in comparison.

In Utero is a stone, cold classic. You can’t quibble with it.

But that’s all there is.

by Anonymousreply 87February 22, 2025 4:49 AM

Another thing about Sgt. Pepper's is that it had an huge impact on fashion, on graphics. It was a 360 degree trend setter.

by Anonymousreply 88February 22, 2025 4:50 AM

Dylan is/was a genius. Fuck this thread on that.

by Anonymousreply 89February 22, 2025 4:53 AM

R25, I think with the recent release of the Yacht Rock doc, at least the song Sailing has come in for reappraisal. I probably hadn’t heard it since the time of its release in the ‘80s and it is an absolute brain bath. I really appreciate it in these times.

And Christopher Cross is such a cool guy in the doc. It gives one a new perspective on him.

by Anonymousreply 90February 22, 2025 4:55 AM

All you have to do is go back and listen to Dylan's "The Times They Are a-Changin'." Released in 1964 and it sums up the rest of the decade. The song is genius.

by Anonymousreply 91February 22, 2025 4:57 AM

Ed Sheeran. I understand that he is good in his lane and has found his niche, I am just not interested. He’s slick and soulless.

Ditto Bruno Mars. He’s cute and talented, but he’s like a Magpie picking up influences and spilling them out. That awful “oh yeah yeah” Police-inspired song is a case in point. I do find him more fun and sincere than Sheeran, though.

by Anonymousreply 92February 22, 2025 5:01 AM

[quote]Pet Sounds was the most influential.

[quote]Not true. It didn't shake up the music industry anywhere near the way Sgt. Pepper's did.

Well, you're both right. Pet Sounds was a terrific influence on Paul McCartney, but it didn't shake up the music business in America the way Sgt. Pepper's did in 1967. Pet Sounds didn't sell very well when it was released in 1966. Capitol Records didn't like it, and released a greatest hits album to compete with it, and the greatest hits album won that competition.

I've been a huge Beach Boys fan nearly since the beginning, but I didn't buy Pet Sounds until it was re-released on Brother Records in 1974. The sixties rock press declared the Beach Boys totally uncool, and people bought it. I didn't even bother bringing my Beach Boys records to college. But somehow, the album survived and became more and more popular during the '80s, and especially the '90s, when Pet Sounds was released on CD. And it's been in pretty regular rotation with Revolver and Sgt. Pepper's ever since Rolling Stone put out their first 500 Best Albums issue.

Here's a link to the album, in mono. The Beach Boys always sounded better in mono. Still do.

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by Anonymousreply 93February 22, 2025 5:30 AM

^ When it was released Pet Sounds was mostly known for "Wouldn't it Be Nice" which was a big hit and a pretty standard Beach Boys tune. "Sloop John B". was a hit . "God Only Knows" was seen as a pretty song but it was musicologists, critics and other musicians that really appreciated it.

[quote] The sixties rock press declared the Beach Boys totally uncool, and people bought it. I didn't even bother bringing my Beach Boys records to college.

That's true.

By the mid 60s the Beach Boys were not considered cool. That will be surprising to some here.

They were reevaluated years later and achieved a status that they just didn't have then.

by Anonymousreply 94February 22, 2025 5:42 AM

R27, Amy Winehouse’s Back to Black set was more or less censored for the U.S. release. The record label omitted the final track on the album, Addicted, her paean to pot (“…does more than any dick did…”), which was strange. The idea that a country that revered Snoop Dog and hip hop somehow couldn’t take a young British woman who smoked pot was odd. It was just one way that her record label tried to manufacture her persona.

On Frank, her first album, her incredible vocal talents are showcased in an extensive and varied set that her record label intended to promote as “nu jazz” or something. You get a great idea of her incredible voice, there’s even some jazz standards (“Moody’s Mood”) and a few that she wrote that SOUND like jazz standards (“I Heard Love is Blind”) but have an unbridled, forthright sensuality that was then uncommon for a young female pop star. (On “In My Bed” she sings of her beleaguered suitor, “The only time I hold your hand…is to get the angle right.”)

Her incredible songwriting comes through on “Stronger Than Me,” for which she won her first Ivor Novello Award, and the sharp, incredibly snarky “Fuck Me Pumps,” among others. The voice and the songwriting artistry really come together on “You Sent Me Flying,” where her desire, passion and self-laceration is in full bloom and the pain and confusion of this young, highly self-aware, woman is predictive of who she was destined to become on Back to Black. Listening to it now, it sounds inevitable.

Back to Black is a writer’s album. Winehouse is in great voice throughout but she’s not showing off, vocally. The bloom is off the rose, as they say. She’s not interested in being Mariah Carey - though she could be, if she wanted. But in that sense, she never would be. On the title track she sings, “And life…is like a pipe…and I’m a tiny penny rolling up the walls inside.” It’s an image that once heard, is hard to get out of one’s head. It’s innately poetic and an incredibly sad and desperate self-assessment. It was all there, for all to hear. At the time, the way the press hounded her, I didn’t understand what people thought they were listening to; the fragility was overlooked, the press treated it like it was only an act. But the artistry, the songwriting and, frankly, vocal restraint was compelling. Amy Winehouse refracted her own biography through the sounds and stories of the ‘60s girl groups with full authority and made it her own. That was where she located herself, in that resonant persona of a beehive girl with a broken heart, only she went further with phrases like “He left no time to regret, kept his dick wet…” The album’s pinnacle is perhaps its centrepiece, “Love is a Losing Game” (another Ivor Novello winner, along with “Rehab”) which sounds heaven sent, a song we’ve never heard before but the moment you hear it, sounds like it’s always been there; as it plays, we’re so stunned by its sublime, slack-jawed honesty and resignation, we don’t know where it begins and where it ends. And “Wake Up Alone,” an incredibly moving song about the inertia of sheer heartbreak that hits hard in its mundane detail (“…I stay up, clean the house…at least I’m not drinking…” and “…and this ache in my chest, as my day is done now, the dark covers me and I can’t run now…”). Our great loss with Amy Winehouse is that she was a great writer. The complexity of her soul is only revealed in her songwriting, her safe space where she dared to say anything. Back to Black is a compelling song cycle where all of her desires and vices are laid bare, “on the kitchen floor”, in all of its Nan Golden-ish glory and the young, heartbroken woman at the centre of it, above all else, claims her artistry with such assurance that she commands our respect. For daring to love with all her heart and every part of her body., and for paying the consequences. And in a last ditch attempt to overcome her heartache she’s saying, “I’ve failed at everything else BUT THIS. This is the only good thing to come out of it, it’s what I’m worth.”

by Anonymousreply 95February 22, 2025 6:06 AM

U2’s The Joshua Tree. There must’ve been a big void in popular music that it somehow expanded to fill but it never seemed worthy of that much attention, especially the overwrought With or Without You which always sounded like a vocal in search of a song that was worthy of it that it never found.

by Anonymousreply 96February 22, 2025 6:11 AM

In college, I was supposed to like REM and U2 but never really got into them.

by Anonymousreply 97February 22, 2025 6:18 AM

[quote] I'll state the obvious: Kanye. I remember how soon after he emerged everybody was claiming him a musical "genius". Admittedly, I've never been a fan of rap so I shouldn't judge rap artists, but he was being called a brilliant musician, even by white people. I felt music had nothing to do with it.

I’m afraid you’re wrong. With Kanye, music had everything to do with it. He was an excellent and diligent writer and producer. With a single exception, he produced everything of popular interest that Jay-Z recorded. No would would care otherwise.

No one isn’t saying he isn’t a terrible and sick person, but during the 10-15 years of his peak, he had a huge effect on the music industry and a sizeable catalogue of work to back himself up.

by Anonymousreply 98February 22, 2025 7:16 AM

R3 Maybe it was the first rock concept album (?) but not the first concept album. Sinatra and others did those long before.

by Anonymousreply 99February 22, 2025 8:11 AM

R20 George Harrison wrote “Something”

by Anonymousreply 100February 22, 2025 8:29 AM

That’s right, R99. Sinatra’s In the Wee Small Hours of the Morning is considered the first concept album.

by Anonymousreply 101February 22, 2025 8:56 AM

Leonard Cohen

by Anonymousreply 102February 22, 2025 9:11 AM

Well R93, Pet Sounds was a success in the UK, which was where The Beatles would’ve heard it - though I think within the industry it was very well known by the artists and musicians. They weren’t stupid. And they were all yearning to do something new. Just listen to I’m Waiting For The Day and you can hear the inspiration for Sgt. Peopers. And because The Beatles had witnessed its success in the UK, they weren’t discouraged by its commercial failure in the U.S.

You’re conflating commercial success with creative influence. They’re two different things. The Wire was never that popular when it aired and in 5 seasons was nominated for only 2 Emmys, both for writing. But it inspired a generation of writers and kick-started a golden age of television, which is why if you watch it now it seems kind of ho-hum because you’ve already seen the shows that more or less traced over it.

by Anonymousreply 103February 22, 2025 9:12 AM

[quote]I'll say it since no one has the balls to do so : Michael Jackson's THRILLER. Over-rated.

I'm with R49 on this. Never liked any of his stuff even before all the pedo shit started coming out

by Anonymousreply 104February 22, 2025 9:45 AM

OP "Cars on a Gravel Road" is good BUT Lucinda Williams' masterpiece is "World Without Tears" 2003. You should check it out.

I haven't cared for any Beyonce record since "Beyonce" in 2013.

Pet Sounds...enh

Kanye West is a talented piece of shit. I've liked most of his records.

Do not care for "OK Computer" by Radiohead--or anything else they've released.

I liked Ed Sheeran's first record but nothing since.

by Anonymousreply 105February 22, 2025 10:15 AM

I adored Lauren Hill’s album when it first came out.

Listening to it now, however, it seems oddly dated

by Anonymousreply 106February 22, 2025 12:02 PM

All of Beyoncé’s albums becoming boring and repetitive by the 4th song

by Anonymousreply 107February 22, 2025 12:03 PM

Thriller was amazing because it came out at the same time MTV was huge. MJ was such a maga-star—singer, dancer, actor.

by Anonymousreply 108February 22, 2025 12:04 PM

Thriller was created by Quincy Jones and the band Toto, R108.

Jackson just fronted the songs.

by Anonymousreply 109February 22, 2025 12:55 PM

[quote] Just listen to I’m Waiting For The Day and you can hear the inspiration for Sgt. Peopers.

Not at all. The sound of Waiting For The Day has nothing to do with Sgt. Pepper

You hear the build up to Sgt. Pepper in "Yellow Submarine and "Eleanor Rigby" 1966.

by Anonymousreply 110February 22, 2025 1:11 PM

[quote] MJ was such a maga-star

His siblings Randy and Janet still are.

by Anonymousreply 111February 22, 2025 2:07 PM

"Cowboy Carter," or whatever the AotY is called.

by Anonymousreply 112February 22, 2025 2:55 PM

If you want to see the difference between The Beach Boys and the Beatles in terms of creativity and innovation, go back to 1965 and compare their output.

The Beach Boys were turning out great pop music but nothing on the level of "Norwegian Wood", and nothing they were doing became standards like "In My Life".

by Anonymousreply 113February 22, 2025 4:50 PM

I don't like Prince. Never liked his voice. Thought his sound was kind of middle-of-the road.

by Anonymousreply 114February 22, 2025 4:56 PM

Frank Sinatra Frank Sinatra Frank Sinatra

by Anonymousreply 115February 22, 2025 5:17 PM

I loved all these bands in the 60s when I was a kid, like the Beatles and Beach Boys, but what I have trouble with today is that most of their early vocals were double tracked. Or TRIPLE tracked. Tsk tsk.

by Anonymousreply 116February 22, 2025 5:19 PM

There's nothing like a thread about pop and rock to bring out the know-nothing, red-eyed losers pretending to knowledge and understanding rather than ascribing their opinions to personal taste.

Starting with the OP and R1 and going from there.

by Anonymousreply 117February 22, 2025 5:27 PM

[R109]

"Thriller was created by Quincy Jones and the band Toto, [R108].

Jackson just fronted the songs."

Thank you. That makes sense.

by Anonymousreply 118February 22, 2025 5:30 PM

Beatles wrote better songs than Hendricks, Clapton & the Stones?

"The Times They Are A Changing" is a good to excellent folk song. It's evocative and sung in Dylan's distinctive voice. Yeah, the times WERE a changing & he sang about it. What's genius? Just singing good or better folk songs about his time in a raspy voice does not make someone a genius. Some of the lyrics are very good. Dylan has talent. Every talented musician is not a genius.

by Anonymousreply 119February 22, 2025 5:41 PM

R82, right, Nirvana fans forget that Kurt was an addict all by himself. It's the same with how Whitney fans blame Bobby Brown for her drug problems.

by Anonymousreply 120February 22, 2025 6:16 PM

R95, Love is a Losing Game is a great song. But it sounds much better live. It is overproduced on the album.

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by Anonymousreply 121February 22, 2025 6:19 PM

The Beatles wrote better songs than The Rolling Stones and their catalogue was also far more diverse by comparison.

by Anonymousreply 122February 22, 2025 6:22 PM

R41 I dislike him

by Anonymousreply 123February 22, 2025 7:10 PM

R77 that’s my all time fave performance

by Anonymousreply 124February 22, 2025 7:13 PM

I am a massive Tori Amos fan but Little Earthquakes does NOTHING for me.

by Anonymousreply 125February 22, 2025 7:23 PM

R121, an even more spare arrangement, performed at the Mercury Music Prize presentation, London, summer 2007, in the midst of the tabloid storm that week documenting a late night Amy and her then husband, bloodied and bruised in a late night hotel room spat.

She should’ve won that prize.

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by Anonymousreply 126February 22, 2025 7:31 PM

I can only take Little Richard in small doses.

by Anonymousreply 127February 22, 2025 7:34 PM

[quote]The Beach Boys were turning out great pop music but nothing on the level of "Norwegian Wood", and nothing they were doing became standards like "In My Life".

As the story goes, Brian Wilson was so inspired by Rubber Soul," an album of all good songs," that it was his impetus to create Pet Sounds. No one argues that Rubber Soul came first.

by Anonymousreply 128February 22, 2025 7:53 PM

Pixies, Come On Pilgrim It's Surfer Rosa A record made of rage, religion, gore, incest and superheroes named Tony, Surfer Rosa is a debut album acclaimed as a masterpiece. A year prior came Come On Pilgrim, an eight-track mini-album released in 1987 which contained cuts culled from their first ever studio session, where they famously recorded seventeen tracks in just three days.

by Anonymousreply 129February 22, 2025 10:36 PM

R128, Brian had to do it all himself. The Beatles had Lennon, McCartney and sometimes Harrison.

by Anonymousreply 130February 22, 2025 11:09 PM

I think it was Paul McCartney, quoted saying something to the effect of "God Only Knows" is the best song ever written

by Anonymousreply 131February 22, 2025 11:36 PM

[quote]their last great album was Some Girls.

BINGO.

by Anonymousreply 132February 23, 2025 6:23 PM

About Michael Jackson and Quincy Jones and Thriller. Quincy’s production elevates the album for sure. But Jackson himself wrote the whole of Billie Jean, Beat It, and Wanna Be Startin’ Somethin’.

A lot of 80s kids don’t know that Michael Jackson was a commercial failure throughout most of the 1970s. Before he teamed up with Quincy Jones for Off The Wall in 1979, his attempts at a solo career had flopped badly. His prior two albums in ‘73 and ‘75 had no significant chart singles at all and they barely reached #100 on the albums chart. People think he kind of glided from Jackson 5 to his big albums, nope. Off The Wall was a surprise comeback and Quincy Jones was, artistically and monetarily, the best thing that ever happened to Michael Jackson.

by Anonymousreply 133February 23, 2025 6:35 PM

I can't stand anything Queen did except "Under Pressure," and that's because Bowie gave it some gravitas.

by Anonymousreply 134February 23, 2025 6:41 PM

Yeah, not a big Queen fan here. I hate those kind of rah rah anthems. I don't ever want to hear Bohemian Rhapsody, We are the Champions, We Will Rock You, etc. ever again. I know they are talented but I hate those songs.

by Anonymousreply 135February 23, 2025 10:39 PM

R135 I've tried several times--because I can see WHY they're beloved--but it just doesn't move me.

by Anonymousreply 136February 24, 2025 10:32 AM

Cannot abide shouty Beyonce. Has the same flat emotion for every song.

by Anonymousreply 137February 24, 2025 11:34 AM

I don't like much Queen except for Killer Queen and You're My Best Friend, which I love.

I agree the songs mentioned by R135 need to be retired permanently.

by Anonymousreply 138February 24, 2025 11:41 AM

R136, same. I love Crazy Little Thing for Love and I Want to Break Free. But those sound very different from their anthemic songs. I know they are talented but most of their songs sound overly polished to me, which I really hate in rock music.

by Anonymousreply 139February 24, 2025 12:27 PM

R133, I know that Madonna always gets shit on for her talent but I think it is very telling that she was able to have big hits with a variety of producers, some of whom never had big hits with other artists and some who never had big hits before they worked with her. Michael was very reliant on Quincy and Janet was VERY reliant on Jimmy Jam.

by Anonymousreply 140February 24, 2025 12:30 PM

Taylor Swift and Beyonce.

by Anonymousreply 141February 24, 2025 1:33 PM

R117 It seems obvious R1 was just giving a person opinion based on his tastes.

by Anonymousreply 142February 24, 2025 2:11 PM

I don't particularly like David Bowie. I've never been able to sit through a whole album. I don't think he was much of a singer and his music is not my style, but I don't actually have a hatred of him, it's just not really my thing.

by Anonymousreply 143February 24, 2025 2:14 PM

R139 Overly polished how? The Queen songs that get panned just happen to be the ones that are their most popular but that's the fate of popular anything. But I don't see how their songs can be considered "overly polished".

My melancholy blues, You take my breath away, Don't stop me now, It's late, Fat bottomed girls are some of my favorite Queen songs. The first two songs are such understated compositions by Queen standard or a Rock standard. I do understand that their often recognized songs like Bohemian Rhapsody, We will rock you and We are the champions can be tiresome to many though.

by Anonymousreply 144February 24, 2025 2:27 PM

R144, I guess what I mean is that they are very clean sounding? I like rock that sounds a bit rougher around the edges. I

by Anonymousreply 145February 24, 2025 2:29 PM

I can see why people were drawn to Bowie's aura in the '70s and early 80s. There are a few songs I really like, and the rest leaves me cold. However, he influenced a lot of my favorite musicians and I wish there was still a bit of that glamour and mystique in music now.

As for Queen, I like Freddie's voice but I also find a lot of their stuff very cheesy these days.

by Anonymousreply 146February 24, 2025 2:32 PM

R145 Overproduced, maybe?

by Anonymousreply 147February 24, 2025 2:32 PM

[QUOTE] I like rock that sounds a bit rougher around the edges

r145 Can you give an example of such songs? I'd love to listen to one. I'm genuinely curious.

by Anonymousreply 148February 24, 2025 2:35 PM

R147, I don't think their music is overproduced though. I do think the best word is "clean".

R148, right off the top of my head, I'm thinking of stuff like Metallica (Sanitarium) and Black Sabbath (Fairies Wear Boots). Also, Helter Skelter by The Beatles. But also the Dirt album by Alice in Chains, Ten by Pearl Jam (it sounds polished but NOT clean in my opinion, maybe due to the dynamics). Appetite for Destruction, etc.

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by Anonymousreply 149February 24, 2025 2:51 PM

r149 Hmm... Judging from your examples, I wonder what you'd think of "It's late" by Queen then. I wouldn't consider that song "clean" by any measure.

by Anonymousreply 150February 24, 2025 3:00 PM

R150, I will give it a lesson.

by Anonymousreply 151February 24, 2025 3:45 PM

Another vote for U2, although, I do not know how critically acclaimed they are these days. Do kids today go through "U2" phases the same way kids go through Beatles phases or the enduring popularity of the Rumors album? They seemed to have dropped in esteem.

Their only song with any true feeling, to me, is Sunday Bloody Sunday. Everything else sounds so clinical.

by Anonymousreply 152February 24, 2025 4:25 PM

U2's Joshua Tree album is sleep inducing.

by Anonymousreply 153February 24, 2025 4:30 PM

"Scary Monsters" was the last great Bowie album. Everything after that was garbage.

by Anonymousreply 154February 24, 2025 4:31 PM

R152, U2 is not doing well on streaming. I'm a millennial and I remember that there were a few people I grew up with who liked them. But that itunes thing really annoyed the shit out of people (rightfully so) and killed any remaining popularity they had. Today, they are seen as your father's favorite band. They don't attract much attention from Gen Z. Gun N Roses and Bon Jovi--the two other really big 80s bands--do much better than they do on spotify and it's not even close.

by Anonymousreply 155February 24, 2025 4:32 PM

[quote] Their only song with any true feeling, to me, is Sunday Bloody Sunday. Everything else sounds so clinical.

Their first 3 albums (Boy, October, and War, which contains Sunday Bloody Sunday) were great postpunk and quite passionate. After that they became a rather boring stadium-rock band, and more pretentious with each subsequent album.

by Anonymousreply 156February 24, 2025 4:42 PM

My choice for best Pre-Joshua Tree U2 song is New Years Day (especially the long version). That one still packs a punch.

by Anonymousreply 157February 24, 2025 5:01 PM

I love Prince and most everything he did, but the praise often heaped onto his latter-day output was a mystery to me. Quite a few times he would release an album between the late 90s and his death, and music critical would declare it to be his best work since the 80s, which simply wasn't true. I think most critics (and even big fans) toned down their appraisals of those albums over time, recognizing them to be more or less middling in quality (compared to his older output). I recall "Musicology" getting high praise in the early 2000s and I was guardedly excited to check it out and... it just seemed like more "meh" to me, like most of his last few attempts.

by Anonymousreply 158February 24, 2025 9:45 PM

R154 I think Bowie had some good albums after Scary Monsters, but I agree nothing measured up to his 70s output. I feel the same way about Elton John, too. I would rather listen to Elton's 70s material than anything that came afterward. Something was lost for both of them after their first decade in the business. Coincidentally, I think Prince also falls into the same scenario, with his best work in the 80s and a lot of what came afterward being very hit or miss.

by Anonymousreply 159February 24, 2025 9:49 PM

Bob Dylan

Kanye West

Rhianna

Taylor Swift

Beyoncé

Coldplay

Michael Jackson

Sting

P Diddy

Jessie J

The Spice Girls

Eric Clapton

by Anonymousreply 160February 24, 2025 9:52 PM

The Spice Girls were popular but not critically acclaimed

by Anonymousreply 161February 24, 2025 10:32 PM

Bob Dylan & Karen Carpenter. I never understood why they were so famous. One couldn't sing and the other was boring as hell.

by Anonymousreply 162February 24, 2025 10:36 PM

What's crazy about The Carpenters is just how popular they were around the world. They are one of the most popular international acts of all time in Japan, for instance.

by Anonymousreply 163February 25, 2025 12:30 AM

[quote]re: Bob Dylan "I never understood why they were so famous".

Look up the cultural significance of the song "Blowin' in the Wind" for starters.

by Anonymousreply 164February 25, 2025 12:40 AM

It's weird how popular music seems to begin midcentury, with rock, for a lot of people.

by Anonymousreply 165February 25, 2025 1:44 AM

R160 Spice Girls? Jessie J? P Diddy?

Christ...You forgot Britney, N'Sync, Backstreet Boys and O-Town

by Anonymousreply 166February 25, 2025 11:28 AM

R154 it was hardly "garbage". The 80s were bad for Bowie but he did some great stuff in the 90s and even better stuff in the 2010s and what he did past his "golden age" was far better than anything most other music acts did outside of theirs.

by Anonymousreply 167February 25, 2025 2:44 PM

No one who writes and composes an album like "Blood on the tracks" could ever be overrated.

by Anonymousreply 168February 25, 2025 2:48 PM

Never liked the Rolling Stones.

by Anonymousreply 169February 25, 2025 2:49 PM

Sheryl Crow. Horrible middlebrow frau music. And her taste in men is so bad, it makes Denise Richards looks good...almost.

by Anonymousreply 170February 25, 2025 3:46 PM

That’s nice r169 how many times are you going to reply that??

by Anonymousreply 171February 25, 2025 4:57 PM

R171 That was the onlky time I mentioned them. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

by Anonymousreply 172February 25, 2025 5:02 PM

Brad Pailey

by Anonymousreply 173February 25, 2025 5:49 PM

Bowie's later recordings are clouded by "Modern Love" and "Let's Dance" continuously being played on the radio. The average listener would never know Bowie had a career beyond those 2 songs (as well as "Under Pressure" which is awful too)

by Anonymousreply 174February 25, 2025 6:02 PM

Alanis Morissette and Jagged Little Pill. Loved the album in the 90s, but listening to it again 30 years later, and it hasn’t aged well at all. It was overhyped to hell back in 1995, but you rarely hear anyone talk about it today.

I fear Adele’s 21 will suffer the same fate 30 years from now.

by Anonymousreply 175February 26, 2025 8:30 AM

I've really, really tried to get into Radiohead but OK Computer and Kid A just leave me utterly cold. I can't hear what all the fuss was about.

by Anonymousreply 176February 26, 2025 10:00 AM

And with regards Michael Jackson's songwriting. What instruments did he play? I genuinely don't know if he played guitar or keyboards or whatever. What instruments did he compose on?

There is a long, long tradition of artists claiming authorship on songs that they had no hand in writing at all. The real composer would have to share credits or accept a flat fee to use their work and have it ascribed to the artist. I don't know if that happened with Michael Jackson, but I think it is highly likely.

by Anonymousreply 177February 26, 2025 10:02 AM

Could never acquire a taste for Bitches Brew.

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by Anonymousreply 178February 26, 2025 10:48 AM

r177 You don't have to be able to play instruments to come up with melodies. For some, it's purely intuitive. Mariah Carey is another such songwriter. She doesn't play any instruments but frequently comes up with melodies herself. The opening piano melody of Hero was something that she came up with for example. Granted that Mariah has always shared co-writing credits with other writers and producers. Idk much about Michael Jackson. The songwriter and producer credit for Heal the World is entirely him in its wikipedia entry.

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by Anonymousreply 179February 26, 2025 12:56 PM

I guess I'm just naturally suspicious of people who claim sole songwriting credits, yet never seem to play any instruments. I've known two professional song writers who wrote some hit songs but are not credited and they won't even tell me who or what they were due to the non-disclosure agreements they had to sign.

by Anonymousreply 180February 26, 2025 1:48 PM

When I was a kid, in the '60s, my parents (who were 30 years older than me) never played any rock, not even '50s rock, because they just missed that era, when they were kids or teens. My mom listened to the pop statioins that played Nat King Cole and Dean Martin. I didn't have older siblings. So I never got into rock in a big way as a kid and maybe as a result, I still don't care much for most of the rockers of the late '60s, or early '70s.

by Anonymousreply 181February 26, 2025 2:49 PM

Didn’t you listen to the radio and buy your own records, R181? My father played Mitch Miller and Broadway shows, I played my Beatles records.

by Anonymousreply 182February 26, 2025 2:56 PM

R182 Buy my own records with what? When I was a little kid? I didn't have any money to buy records. Yes, I listened to Top 40 radio and I listened to the Beatles. I listened to the Monkees. But I wasn't the only kid who wasn't into things like Jimi Hendrix, Black Sabbath, Deep Purple...that stuff just sounded so bad to me (then).

by Anonymousreply 183February 26, 2025 3:04 PM

No allowance, eh? No requests for birthday and Christmas presents? I got the Rubber Soul for my birthday in 1965 when I was nine years old.

by Anonymousreply 184February 26, 2025 3:10 PM

I said I couldn't afford to buy records. How is a request for birthday or Christmas presents the same as buying your own records? No, I didn't get an allowance. I'm sorry my life wasn't exactly like yours and I didn't have the same musicals tastes as you.

by Anonymousreply 185February 26, 2025 3:18 PM

And by the way, it was a different culture and society then. Very little was marketed to children, other than "children's products" or "children's movies" or TV.

by Anonymousreply 186February 26, 2025 3:22 PM

yes, it was the pre Kidz Bop era.

by Anonymousreply 187February 26, 2025 3:23 PM

Not just that but (the former)1D and Taylor Swift, acts like that are marketed to kids now.

by Anonymousreply 188February 26, 2025 3:28 PM

I was a little older than r184, grew up in north Jersey, and pop music of the 1960s certainly felt as if it was marketed to me. I listened to 77 WABC-AM starting when I was 12. First came the girl groups and the Beach Boys and Four Seasons. Then the Beatles and everything that followed for the rest of the 1960s. Eventually I would move to FM radio, college, and albums.

by Anonymousreply 189February 26, 2025 3:28 PM

I find it very hard to get excited about music, but also to really hate it post 2015 or so, once it all became about streaming and Spotify. Everything is just kind of "mid" as kids these days would say, the sonic equivalent of those Netflix shows you leave on while doing laundry or vacuuming. There's no sense of personal investment in terms of waiting for a record to be released, going to a record shop and then loving it or hating it based on whether it lives up to your expectations, hearing that lead single for the first time on MTV or on the radio. Now, highs are not very high, lows are not very low, and I noticed that Spotify includes in my personalized "New Releases" playlist some AI-generated shit by fictitious bands with songs that are probably "created" based on the artists I follow.

by Anonymousreply 190February 26, 2025 3:31 PM

R190, my friend and I were discussing this. Back before streaming, even during the days of downloading, there was excitement when you found or discovered a song you really liked. But that is pretty much gone now. Dont' get me wrong, I love having youtube and spotify/tidal, but the excitement just isn't on the same level.

by Anonymousreply 191February 26, 2025 3:34 PM

Why do you have to only listen to/buy music that was “marketed” to you? You mean you didn’t know about anything in the world that was not kid’s stuff?

by Anonymousreply 192February 26, 2025 3:35 PM

R192 Stop interrogating me, okay?

by Anonymousreply 193February 26, 2025 3:37 PM

Two words: Korvettes and MONO

by Anonymousreply 194February 26, 2025 3:39 PM

Even 10-15 years ago, I was reading music blogs where someone would point you in the direction of a new band or an album worth hearing and they were pretty focused in their subject and reliable in terms of their recommendations. Like, if you were into electro house, there were people who would post detailed reviews only within that genre, with YouTube videos or individual music files as tasters and, if you read them regularly, you'd realize that they were not recommending shit for extra clicks, paid ads and product placements but it was labor of love in the truest sense. Most of those blogs have gone the way of the dodo once social media and streaming exploded. The mainstream and virality ultimately triumphed, everything else got obscured so discovering new music that is not just some viral TikTok garbage or heavily pushed by streaming algorithms has become rather difficult.

by Anonymousreply 195February 26, 2025 3:43 PM

I'll give it one more go, but what I was trying to say, by bringing up marketing, is that if your family is not listening to certain music, and kids you know aren't, where are you likely to hear it? I remember buying singles from a local music store, which I think was called "Melody Land" in the mid-60s. One was the Henry The 8th song by Herman's Hermits. Later on I listened to a lot of different music, rock, rap, r&b, metal, mathcore, classical, movie music, 40's and 50's pop, big bands...and I still go to concerts by current artists. That's all I can say.

by Anonymousreply 196February 26, 2025 3:47 PM

[quote]Very little was marketed to children

In the 1960s?

Are you joking? Obviously you weren't around back then.

by Anonymousreply 197February 26, 2025 4:05 PM

I won't be able to find it now but I watched a radio interview on YouTube with Rob Lowe, who's, I think, 5 years younger than me. The younger DJs said something like, you must have had it made, living in the LA area, being good looking, with all the TV shows and movies you could get into. He said something like, in those days, it was an adult world, if you were a kid, you just lived in it. Most entertainement was geared towards adults. There were some kid parts on adult shows, or some family shows, but there was no Nickeloeon, there was no Disney Channel, etc. I guess people forget.

Yes, things were marketed to kids, but most of the adult-type rock I was taking about was marketed to older teens. I mean you see children going to Taylor Swift shows, you see parents taking kids to Katie Perry or Shawn Mendes concerts. We didn't do that. My dad would never have gone to a rock concert. I got taken to the circus and the Ice Capades.

by Anonymousreply 198February 26, 2025 4:15 PM

My parents took me to see "Cat People" and let me watch Fassbinder's movies on TV. But, that was in Europe in the 80's.

by Anonymousreply 199February 26, 2025 4:17 PM

The 60's were a big culture clash between the old and the new. Not like today, when parents and grandparents tend to be accepting. Many parents and kids clshed over long hair, clothes, drugs, sex, and, yeah, even what music you could listen to.

by Anonymousreply 200February 26, 2025 4:21 PM

R200, and that culture clash really didn't die until the mid 90s (once Cobain killed himself). After that point, gangsta rap was mainstream, rap took over rock as "rebellious" music and rock's popularity declined. That's why everything that came after that period doesn't really seem all that exciting to most of us.

by Anonymousreply 201February 26, 2025 4:33 PM

I was a kid in the 1960s, and knew about current pop music because of the radio and my friends. Unless you lived in a CAVE, you knew what contemporary music was. Chances are your parents thought it was silly or disapproved - it’s always like that in every era. Add other media in, TV and magazines. There’s no fucking way a kid would not know about current popular music. If you couldn’t afford the albums (or one album), you bought SINGLES, 45s. Do not believe anyone who says they didn’t know about 60s music because of what their parents played.

by Anonymousreply 202February 26, 2025 4:40 PM

I think my father may have liked the Beatles. He's who told me about them, just before I Want to Hold Your Hand came out. He took me downtown to buy it, then to buy Meet the Beatles when it came out. He got me The Beatles Second Album for my birthday that year. (It was a big "kid-to-kid Bar Mitzvah present" that year.)

He was born in 1927.

by Anonymousreply 203February 26, 2025 4:45 PM

Dylan anything. Just can't with his voice.

I respect and appreciate Springsteen but I've never connected with his music.

by Anonymousreply 204February 26, 2025 4:50 PM

What's funny, R204, I didn't know Dylan's voice because he never appeared on tv variety shows. Just knew his image from album covers. Then I heard that voice - ewwww!

by Anonymousreply 205February 26, 2025 5:13 PM

[quote]Yes, things were marketed to kids, but most of the adult-type rock I was taking about was marketed to older teens. I mean you see children going to Taylor Swift shows, you see parents taking kids to Katie Perry or Shawn Mendes concerts. We didn't do that.

I saw the Beatles at 11 years old.

by Anonymousreply 206February 26, 2025 5:18 PM

The Beatles WERE FOR teens and pre-teens, that was the marketing.

by Anonymousreply 207February 26, 2025 5:38 PM

[quote] Do not believe anyone who says they didn’t know about 60s music because of what their parents played.

I didn't say anything like that. This is what I said:

[quote] My mom listened to the pop stations that played Nat King Cole and Dean Martin. I didn't have older siblings. So I never got into rock in a big way as a kid and maybe as a result, I still don't care much for most of the rockers of the late '60s, or early '70s.

My friends (who also had no older siblings) didn't listen to rockers, either. By the way, as the '70s wore on, I got into the music of the era, so I was only talking about a few years until I was around 12 (I turned 12 in 1970). I listened to Springsteen, and I got into New Wave in the late '70's.

Sure, I listened to Beatles, when I was a young teen. I listened to that sort of music, I had some records my cousin from England gave me of Jerry and the Pacemakers, Adam Faith, etc.

To me this kind of music does NOT represent "the rockers of the late '60s, or early '70s." I was very specific about that period (a roughly 6 year period).

by Anonymousreply 208February 26, 2025 7:04 PM

^I also listened to a lot of jazz as a teenager. So what? Everyone has different tastes.

by Anonymousreply 209February 26, 2025 7:06 PM

R208, please cease from posting

by Anonymousreply 210February 26, 2025 8:52 PM

Anything by Dave Matthews or Phish. I am a Deadhead - saw the band over 100 times before Jerry passed. Phish and DMB owe their success to the Grateful Dead, but I cannot stand to listen to either of them. Funny thing is - seems like all my friends who professed to hate the Dead back in the day now think DMB walks on water, but still turn their noses up at the Dead. And don't get me started on Phish - they just make no sense at all.

by Anonymousreply 211February 26, 2025 9:11 PM

R210 Then stop misrepresenting everything I said, you asshole. You could have just ignored it. I never said I didn't know what contemporary music was. My parents never disapproved of 60s music, they didn't give a shit what I listened to. Don't tell me about myself, you don't know me. Just ignore what I write if you don't like it. Try that.

by Anonymousreply 212February 27, 2025 3:03 AM

R212, why do you think everything is about you?

by Anonymousreply 213February 27, 2025 11:08 AM

Below is a link to all the albums awarded a perfect score (5 stars/10 out of 10) by British music platform NME (a British Pitchfork of sorts) in recent months and years.

To know which artists have and haven't been acclaimed in the past, it helps to have followed the (now-moribund) music press a little over the years, including newspapers' end-of-year "best albums" lists. I read all the time on DL and elsewhere about musicians (and writers, and actors) who are supposedly "underrated" but who're in fact hugely admired and respected by their peers, as well as by many journalists and music fans.

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by Anonymousreply 214February 27, 2025 1:04 PM

Radiohead

by Anonymousreply 215April 3, 2025 10:06 PM

Someone posted Paul Simon?

by Anonymousreply 216April 3, 2025 10:06 PM

I love Madonna. Really love her but could never get into the album “Erotica” as a whole even though I really like “Deeper and Deeper” a whole lot. It just felt cold to me. It’s my least listened to recording of hers.

I liked Michael Jackson less and less as his cosmetic changes occurred throughout the 80s but he lost me with “Black or White”, both with the video which was a jumbled mess of MacCauley Culkin, George Wendt, morphing, crotch grabbing, and high winds. And by the time of “Dangerous”, he didn’t seem to be singing anymore as much as screaming.

by Anonymousreply 217April 3, 2025 10:44 PM

R217, agreed with every word you typed. I feel the same way about Erotica. Black or White is a child's notion of race relations.

by Anonymousreply 218April 3, 2025 10:52 PM

Nirvana, too depressing.

by Anonymousreply 219April 3, 2025 11:14 PM

Eric Clapton is a piece of shit.

by Anonymousreply 220April 3, 2025 11:39 PM

Slow hand = Lazy hand

by Anonymousreply 221April 3, 2025 11:46 PM

Chicago, I can't abide them.

by Anonymousreply 222April 4, 2025 12:28 AM

R26. Gurl you are "Walking on thin ice"

by Anonymousreply 223April 4, 2025 1:01 AM

The Beatles were/are not overrated. They may not be your cup of tea but to compare them with Taylor Swift is just dumb. There is literally no other pop/rock band that compares to them and probable never will be.

by Anonymousreply 224April 4, 2025 1:16 AM

Dire Straits

by Anonymousreply 225April 4, 2025 1:21 AM

The Beatles have been so overplayed.

by Anonymousreply 226April 4, 2025 4:57 AM

bowie himself didn’t like many of the records he put out after scary monsters. one of his biggest artistic regrets was the “let’s dance” album, where he said he sold out and wrote it for money.

by Anonymousreply 227April 4, 2025 5:18 AM

Supertramp. Although I don't know if they were ever critically acclaimed.

by Anonymousreply 228April 4, 2025 5:25 AM

"What's the Story Morning Glory" by Oasis

by Anonymousreply 229April 14, 2025 11:29 PM

I loved U2 until The Joshua Tree.

by Anonymousreply 230April 14, 2025 11:34 PM

Any of the Rolling Stones albums. Never got their appeal and still don't. I like a lot of blues rock but Mick Jaggers voice is grating.

by Anonymousreply 231April 14, 2025 11:42 PM

Beatles Abbey Road has returned to Billboard's charts. Almost 56 years is staying power.

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by Anonymousreply 232April 15, 2025 11:15 PM

I agree with others who mentioned Pink Floyd and Radiohead.

I think you had to be around in the 1960s to get The Beatle’s genius. Music was pretty boring pre-Beatles, at least the music aimed at white people was.

Bob Dylan was a good songwriter but his voice is horrible. He should’ve stayed in the shadows and let other people sing his songs.

I think Beyonce creates good singles but she goes way overboard in her albums. Way too many songs and there’s never any consistency.

by Anonymousreply 233April 15, 2025 11:41 PM

Janet's biggest mistake on her 90s albums was including all those stupid interludes. They just mess with the flow, they are dumb.

by Anonymousreply 234April 16, 2025 12:13 AM

[quote]I think you had to be around in the 1960s to get The Beatles' genius.

Yeah. It's hard to get today's teenager to understand how revolutionary, how remarkable "I Want to Hold Your Hand" sounded when we first heard it in the US in 1964. I was completely won over that January, when it started at number one on 77 WABC's All American Survey. And then "She Loves You" and "Please Please Me, " all in that one month. And they just kept on coming, hit single after hit album after more hit singles. Hard to believe their output as a group didn't even last a decade.

by Anonymousreply 235April 16, 2025 2:13 AM

The best thing was seeing them perform live on The Ed Sullivan Show. It was AN EVENT. Little did we know what we were watching would become historical. A complete culture change which was needed. Badly.

by Anonymousreply 236April 16, 2025 2:25 AM

Dark Side of the Moon. The only track I like is Eclipse.

by Anonymousreply 237April 16, 2025 2:38 AM

I actually disagree with the claim made by R233. I wasn't there and I can easily imagine how groundbreaking The Beatles must have been. All you have to do is listen to some of the other music released around that time to get it. Two my favorite albums are Please Please Me (their debut) and Abbey Road. It is absolutely wild that those albums are only 6 years apart. They could not sound more different. The fans definitely get it and that's why The Beatles are the second most popular legacy act on Spotify (only behind Queen and decently ahead of Michael Jackson).

by Anonymousreply 238April 16, 2025 2:45 AM
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