Los Angeles Fires pt 3 (formerly “Palisades” in pts 1 &2)

CA Fire page (state government) says the two main fires, Palisades and Eaton, are still 0% contained. But with the winds calmer today, the firefighters can finally throw everything they’ve got at the fires, by land and by air.

Thanks, OP! My friend in Sierra Madre just let me know her place is safe, but it was VERY close and that the area is unrecognizable. Sierra Madre is such a special place, with a good mix of people that I've loved to visit, so this really pulls at the old heartstrings.

Good piece here from Mother Jones mag on the cause(s) of such extreme wildfires.

My friend took me to a hike in Sierra Madre a week and a half ago, and it was so beautiful. So sad to hear that it some of it burnt up.

Looks like the communication towers for radio, TV, etc on Mount Wilson are about to be engulfed.

I think why this situation is so beyond devastating is the scope and the sheer number of homes..

When these folks look around, its complete and utter devastation.

There is no "Ms. Smith's house made, Mrs. Jenkins did not... Our home was lost, but our good friends home survived-

Its utter widespread doom and hell on earth.

My prayers that everyone makes it through as best as they can and that in a few years they will be living a better life than the one before it... This shit puts the illusion of life/permanency/material things into a fucked up perspective, that is for sure.

Is it correct that the winds are going to start to increase in force again?

Della I jus heard the same thing- I am watching all of this on Youtube and some of the videos seem old, so I am trying to stick with actual live coverage..

Thanks for creating a continuation thread, PP.

That's my understanding, too, Della. Last I heard is that they are nearly at the point that they can't send the planes up anymore.

Olivia Wilde posted. Her block was on fire but firefighters managed to put it out before the fire reached her house.

R2, do you know if Mary's Market survived?

Damn, R11. That's too bad.

I'm pretty sure it did. The last report I saw said it did, and everything in Sierra Madre that burned was higher up in the canyon.

That's me at r14

Yes, we are expecting the winds to increase between now and 10pm tonight. Friday will slow before picking up again over the weekend.

Have firefighters from nearby states been dispatched to help and provide relief?

R17, yes.

Where’s Faye?

[italic]Where’s Faye ? ?

let them eat cake

Kinda wild (though unsurprising) to see a lot of the internet reaction to the fires, where a common assumption is that it's only the ultra-wealthy being affected because one of the fires is in Malibu and the Palisades.

Just goes to show the lack of understanding the average person has about LA.

Don't let the teenagers know that some weed dispensaries have gone up in smoke. They might try to go there for a free toke

R17 - DeSantis offered help to Newsom

Oof. KCAL is showing a body being pulled from a house in Malibu on the mountain side of PCH.

Has anyone checked on Norma who lives at 10086 Sunset Boulevard ?

Usually these fires only affect the properties of mountain- and hillside-dwelling multimillionaires. Not so this time. Lots of working class families lost everything.

[quote]Has anyone checked on Norma who lives at 10086 Sunset Boulevard ?

Don't worry, r25, she's still twerking.

The Spelling estate is gone, even though Candy doesn't live there anymore I'm sure Tori will make a comment.

I'm holding space.

There’s a new fire at the 101 and Valley Circle. 20 acres as of now.

Make that 50 acres now and heading North.

Fires are popping up ALL over

LA is doomed

Los Angeles had a lot of ass but he couldn’t live forever

R28 incorrect, it's her Malibu house she has owned for 30 years that burned down. The mammoth estate worth $620 million is still standing.

In case you missed my post in the other thread:

Jean Smart Urges Networks to Forgo Airing Awards Shows, Donate to Victims

GOOD FOR HER! Wonder what the end result will be ?

r30 that's Calabasas adjacent. Lots of pricy real estate up there. Yikes.

[quote]In case you missed my post in the other thread:

We didn't.

The new fire is projected to get up to 1,000 acres in the next 30 minutes according to the fire department.

The new fire near Calabasas is known as the Kenneth fire.

I'm surprised to see that the houses there are so close together. Here in New England we like our space.

[quote] the houses there are so close together

Not anymore

So at R34, Jean Smart wants the networks to forgo the revenue televising awards shows would have generated and then magically conjure up that revenue and donate it?

WTF is she talking about?

[quote] Here in New England we like our space.

You must live in the 'burbs. Have you ever visited a city in New England ?

R41 'Magically conjure up' ? WTF are you talking about ?

She's talking about the ad revenue (for starters) which companies have already paid the networks for air time. Take all that money (already in their bank accounts) and donate that to the victims and firefighters. No conjuring necessary.

So what does this new fire threaten?

That’s a great idea, R43! Amazon should start donating all its sales revenue, too! And then just not deliver people’s orders. And the airlines should ground all their flights and donate all the money people paid for tickets.

R44 maybe the Kardashians!

Doesn't Oprah live in Calabasas?

R44 Alaska.

Oprah's in Santa Barbara

R45 How does your idea correlate with what Smart proposed about Award Season ? You seem very lost.

R47 she lives in Montesito. The Kuntrashians, Justin Bieber and a bunch of athletes live in the Calabasas-Hidden Hills area.

[Quote] WTF is she talking about?

Herself basically R41

R52 Smart has a great idea. Does anyone really think Hollywood will be in a celebratory mood over the next two months after what they have been through / going through the past 72 hours ? Do you really think getting an Oscar will lift their spirits when they lost their whole neighborhood and their home this week ?

The surviving structures seem to be made of cement or other non-flammable materials. I propose all new homes be made of adobe.

[Quote] Do you really think getting an Oscar will lift their spirits when they lost their whole neighborhood and their home this week ?

Yes, it will

It's hours too late but thanks to the DLer who posted the link to Pasadena Humane on the previous thread. I donated and hope others did, too.

C'mon, firefighters! Stay safe out there!

[quote] The Kuntrashians, Justin Bieber and a bunch of athletes live in the Calabasas-Hidden Hills area.

Isn't Judge Judy one of Bieber's neighbors?

R43 if the ads don't air the money is returned, you nimrod.

Kardashians live in Hidden Hills, which is under mandatory evac.

Hmmm sounds like Rhonda wants that big dick too. Get in line missy.

watching ABC earlier, they said 5300 structures in the Palisades were burned. Jesus.

"She's talking about the ad revenue (for starters) which companies have already paid the networks for air time. Take all that money (already in their bank accounts) and donate that to the victims and firefighters. No conjuring necessary. "

I'm sure some of those contracts mandate that the shows are actually aired in exchange for payment.

Pause to think about all those real estate shows that we've drooled over for years, those views, that fridge, that pool, all gone. What is going to happen with the price of real estate with all those mega rich needing emergency housing?

Not sure how this thread ended up with a tangent related to Jean Smart, but she also lost a home today. (Sort of.) Did you cunts know Deborah Vance's posh pad was in Altadena?

Wasn't the Reagans' primary residence in Pacific Palisades?

[quote]Is it correct that the winds are going to start to increase in force again?

Sadly, yes, They're supposed to be worse tonight than last night.

Confirming R60, entire city of Hidden Hills ordered evacuated.

Has anyone given a realistic (however sobering) estimate of just how much of LA county we can expect to lose when this is all over? Is that possible to do?

Kris Jenner's new lips already walked into the nearest shelter site a good hour before the rest of her is set to arrive.

R69 How would this be possible diva?

R64 What's going to happen to the cost of housing all over LA, (of which there was already a major shortage of before this all went down)? It wasn't just giant mansions that burnt up, you know.

They could disallow all new development north of Sunset in the Palisades. And then the existing development will be impossible to insure.

BREAKING NEWS: Now over 10,000 structures destroyed.

Goodness. That new fire went from 10 acres to over 600 acres so quickly

Whoa… the new Kenneth Fire (Calabasas area) is up to 500 acres and growing fast.

(pardon, R75, didn’t see your update before I posted a duplicate)

I don't mean this in a sarcastic way - how much of Malibu still exists?

Now almost 800 acres! Holy smokes

This thread is screaming into the void but here goes: Even if your home survives, this is going to be an insurance nightmare, particularly for lower income families.

Just like after Colorado's Marshall fires, home insurance rates are going to sky-rocket. Even if you own your home; mortgage companies require insurance. You're renting? Get ready for rent to increase to cover the fire insurance hikes.

The Marshall fires destroyed a thousand Colorado homes three years ago-- now there are tons of homes in the front range that are just "uninsurable," just way too expensive to insure. I'm talking thousands of dollars per month.

What do you do if your home, thankfully, isn't destroyed, but you can't afford to insure it next year? I am really worried about all of these people.

r78, Unknown because the smoke is preventing a clear view for assessment

I don’t want to be that person, but I have to ask. I just read a report in the NYT (link below) about a long time Altadena resident who had launched a GoFundMe appeal whose grandmother is believed to have died in the fires.

I know that there’s no timetable for grief but if you’d survived the fires but suspect that granny didn’t, wouldn’t the focus be on mourning granny and sympathizing with neighbors rather than setting up a cash grab on day two?

The new fire was arson

[quote]I know that there’s no timetable for grief but if you’d survived the fires but suspect that granny didn’t, wouldn’t the focus be on mourning granny and sympathizing with neighbors rather than setting up a cash grab on day two?

Darling, this is America and it's 2025.

I had to laugh. On one of the local stations, an old-time Ron Burgundy type was interviewing a sweet gay couple towing a suitcase and carrying a cage.

"We just had time to throw together our important papers, grab the cat, and go."

The reporter nodded solemnly, and then in his Ron Burgundy voice, asked the important question:

"What's the cat's name?"

R80 is right. This will make coastal Florida's situation look like a day at the fair.

The center cannot hold (and has not held in the USA) for a long time... I think we are entering a time of a major sea change- This cannot go on-

From the press conference this morning.

Do not touch debris. It may be TOXIC!

Thinking about it, reporters covering this must be experiencing some second hand trauma hearing sad and tragic stories that won't end. Asking the cat's name might be the most humane way to deal with it. "How much did you lose?" "What are your plans?" can be overwhelming or unanswerable questions. But it cracked me up, too, r85. A little levity.

The rewritten lyrics to " Beautiful City" seem so relevant today.

NEW: The FAA says a firefighting aircraft was hit by a drone near the Palisades fire on Thursday, but was able to land safely. The agency reminds drone operators that there’s a TFR in place over LA.

I'm just east of the Eaton fire. Had no electricity for two full days. It's finally back on, but still no internet (other than cell phone.) There are evacuation warning zones a bit north of me. At least it hasn't been windy, but now there's so much smoke everywhere.

That enrages me, R90. Fuckers.

R80 and it will probably have dreadful effects on anyone living in California.

We live several hours away bout our insurer tried to dump us because they want to get out of insuring ANY property in CA.

Pardon my ignorance - but is this going to end up being the biggest fire emergency in modern history? Especially in a major city.

R90 - a Sheriff's helicopter had to make an unscheduled landing during a search mission (for the bodies of missing duck hunters up in Northern California) The pilot had spotted one of the bodies, but had to abort because the helicopter was being buzzed by a drone.

R87: I spoke to my cousin in Sherman Oaks this afternoon & we agreed -- the air definitely smelled different today, compared to yesterday.

Yesterday (Wednesday) was that typical, "woody" wildfire-smell that we're familiar with. Today's air smelled slightly chemical, or synthetic, mixed with "woody". A little burnt rubber-ish? All that synthetic shit burning up in the houses.

R66 IIRC, it was on St. Cloud in Bel Air.

Arsonist in North Hollywood, reported 40 min ago. Vineland and Burbank. These psychopaths should be turned over to the people who lost their homes.

R98 A possible arson suspect was just arrested for the West Hills fire. Crazy stuff.

10,000 structures burned in LA. Seven dead.

Canines will go through structures when safe to look for deceased. The death toll is expected to rise substantially.

Homicide will investigate all deaths.  Apparently they handle more than murders.

This is all devastating.

They probably want to make sure people didn’t off people hoping people would think it’s due to the fire. Same with arsonists looking for a payday.

Expect a lot of scams to go on over this. Don’t give to Gofundmes without first checking out that it isn’t a scam.

Arsonist?.For all the fires? I guess this explains why they popped up separately.

MAGA: LESBIANS to blame for California fires

If they find arsonists I’m in favor of bringing back public executions.

I know there's been lots of talk of everyone in the country's home insurance getting jacked up because of the fires, but what about car insurance? Thousands upon thousands of cars have been destroyed by the fires as well. Should we expect all of our premiums to go through the roof in the coming months?

R106, yes

I wonder how many people who refused to leave their homes have something to hide. like some drug dealing operation, or a dead body in a freezer, or even someone chained in the basement.

R106, why would home insurance rates go up all across the country because of fires in California?

More photos taken from above are being released and what I'm seeing has my eyeballs out on stalks. It's all too much.

R109, insurance is a pool. The increases in CA will be more severe, but they’ll be beyond CA. These companies are national insurers- the cost to insurance will be felt for all within the company.

PALISADES FIRE AT 6% CONTAINMENT!! ❤️❤️

The pity is that they'll eventually find human remains. That fire was so fast due to the wind I don't think everyone had time to get out.

It just gets crazier by the minute.

R114 Straight to the gallows.

And you seem lacking in a sense of humor, R50.

[quote] Do you really think getting an Oscar will lift their spirits when they lost their whole neighborhood and their home this week?

Honestly, R53? Yes.

It's a fun ethical dilemma for some more than others.

Such good news today with Anita Bryant dead and ‘’Attacking Anxiety’’ scammer Lucinda Basset losing her Malibu mansion to the fire ( I helped buy her that house! ) There is a God and I believe in her/him.

R59 Yes, that would be great PR for the companies who ask for their money back instead of having it be donated to the victims of the fire and the LA firefighters. That's just what these companies want to do in tragic times like these - be tone deaf and come across as an asshole. You're brilliant !

[quote]I'm sure some of those contracts mandate that the shows are actually aired in exchange for payment.

I'm sure they do R63 but as I said above, if the network decided not to air the Awards show and donate the ad money to these victims during this horrifying tragedy, which company will be the first to step up and demand their money returned and not have it donated ? Coca-Cola or Pepsi ? Which one wants to make the news first of being a total cunt to their customers in a time of crisis ? AllState or Progressive ?

R106 Yes. They are talking about home / property insurance as well as auto insurance, which has been on the rise since COVID hit (and insurance companies have claimed the slowdown in the supply chain as made parts for your car more expensive). A neighbor of mine saw his premium go up $350 for the next 6 months of coverage via AllState - and he's been with them for years with not so much as a parking ticket. When he called to ask why a few weeks ago, they told him 'auto parts are still hard to come by for your make / model and they are expensive'.

Has Blake Lively and Ryan Reynolds’ house burned down yet?

(fingers crossed)

[quote]R101 They probably want to make sure people didn’t off people hoping people would think it’s due to the fire.

I watch so much true crime I thought of this immediately!

HUSBAND: Then she suddenly turned around and ran back in for the cat! / (pause) / NEIGHBOR: Since when did you have a CAT??

It would also be a good time to disappear and forge a new identity.

I just got back in the country. What's this I hear about L.A.?

^ Karen.....

Forward progress of Kenneth Fire is stopped, officials say

By NBC staff

Los Angeles firefighters have been able to stop the forward progress of the Kenneth Fire, which started this afternoon and exploded to more than 900 acres in just a few hours. The city had initially issued mandatory evacuation orders due to the fire, but these have now been downgraded to evacuation warnings, officials said. The Kenneth fire broke out around 2:40 p.m. PT in the West Hills, located northwest of downtown Los Angeles.

I'm not a Californian, but this is a scathing summation of all the insane, stupid, preventable actions that contributed to this catastrophe.

Makes one look forward to the inauguration.

[quote]I'm not a Californian

No, you aren't, r126, and it's telling that that's your only post in these threads.

Thanks for that load of horse shit, R126.

Victor is a tool

[QUOTE] I wonder how many people who refused to leave their homes have something to hide. like some drug dealing operation, or a dead body in a freezer, or even someone chained in the basement.

R108 all the more reason to burn the house down and flee

R126 go back to your scabies summation, now that would be interesting.

The Kenneth Fire sparked just after 2:30 p.m. and has since spread over 800 acres and continues to rip through Ventura County, Los Angeles Fire Chief Kristin Crowley told reporters Thursday night.

I don't think people are refusing to leave their homes b/c they have something to hide. IMO, it's just hard to realize that your house and everything you own is probably going to get destroyed.

Archive link to NY Post story above if you'd rather not give clickdollars to people who love Trump and hate gays.

Dollface alert. Do the animals flee or perish? (from previous thread)

Laurie Styron, the CEO and executive director of CharityWatch, told CNBC, it’s important that Americans “don’t donate impulsively.”

“Take your time to confirm that a charity is not only legitimate and efficient but is actively providing aid on the ground.”

Archive link to NY Post story above if you'd rather not give clickdollars to people who love Trump and hate gays.

Oops! Link!

I'm shocked that The View is still in the air

Archive link to NY Post story above if you'd rather not give clickdollars to people who love Trump and hate gays.

[Quote] Archive link to NY Post story above if you'd rather not give clickdollars to people who love Trump and hate gays.

I heard there are evacuations — am I too late to the party?

R90: The aircraft struck by a civilian drone was one of the Super Scoopers which are so critical (and for which we greatly thank Quebec!). I could happily beat that asshole drone operator with a crowbar. No, wait -- light his house on fire and THEN beat him with a crowbar.

Salute to the Super Scooper pilots, they're awesome.

Salute to Chief Crowley! Taking the heat and still kicking ass!

I need to know:

Is the Family house still standing in South Pasadena?

The Getty Villa can go, but if the Family house burns, it will be a true cultural loss.

Let it burn.

It'll join you in hell, Elayne, where you belong for that horrific performance.

WTF with all the bratty drone flying? Also seeing lots of upset around people driving into evacuation zones for a jolly lookie-loo at the tragedy of others.

So there's the Palisades Fire, the Eaton Fire, the Sunset Fire, the Kenneth Fire and the Lidia Fire.

Only six fires? /s

That’s five.

R152 Sorry there's also the Hurst Fire. Which brings the total to six.

Hollywood celebrities are blasting Bass and the Democratic Party.

Archive link to NY Post story above if you'd rather not give clickdollars to people who love Trump and hate gays.

Every time you click on a Murdoch site a TWOC dies.

I saw video of a horse tied up with flames all around it. Someone rescued it but why didn't the owner just untie it so it could have had a chance to run.

Looks like South Pasadena has not burned-home of the house from tv’s ‘’Family’’ 1230 Milan ave. This could all change anytime-if only Sada Thompson had survived none of this would have happened…

You know the old saying 'A conservative is a liberal who has been mugged.'

More Dems to the MAGA side.

Why would that happen? MAGA are the climate change deniers.

[quote]More Dems to the MAGA side.

Not when the insurance doesn't come through, you fucking propagandist idiot. Do you have anything other than talking points and clichés to offer?

The celebrity stuffed Palisades was (closet Republican) Rick Caruso’s strongest base of support in the mayoral race.

It’s not the least bit surprising they (and the NYPost) would ramp up their criticisms of the person who beat their candidate.

So, apart from the DL squabbling fest, are the fires over or just no longer part of the news?

Oh another Dem total asshole who will not admit in a gazillion years that Dems can fuck up big time. You fucking liberal progressive asshole. How the hell cam insurance ever pay for everything that has been lost to stupidity and selfishness. My God what a fucking idiot you are. Like insurance can ever replace lives, animals and a home.

You might want to fucking think for a second before spewing diarrhea.

Re: "more Dems to the MAGA side"... listen, anyone in the LA region who thinks that an all-white, all-male firefighting force could have pulled more water out of those hydrants than the maximum that got pulled, and who thinks whiteness and maleness somehow could have defeated a fire in raging 80mph Santa Ana winds where a diverse crew of firefighters could not, and who thinks Mayor Bass slashed the firefighters' budget with her own ball point pen (total lie) was already MAGA.

Ad homenims galore, other people's disinformation, and nothing more as usual from DL's biggest chaos agent.

I have an 86 year old aunt who lives with her daughter and five cats in an area close where the Kenneth fire is (which is thankfully contained so hopefully all are safe now.). I would personally like to beat to death the asshole who purposefully set that fire.

If you want to follow things closely because you or love ones are directly impacted. the Watch Duty app is giving pinpoint-level information.

On Thursday night, California Insurance Commissioner Ricardo Lara issued a mandatory one-year moratorium, protecting homeowners’ insurance coverage in areas affected by the Palisades and Eaton fires.

The moratorium will prohibit insurance companies from enacting non-renewals and cancellations until Jan. 7, 2026.

Newsom, not Newsome.

R169, that's just him gesturing. This doesn't suddenly reinstate the policies that were already canceled prior to the fires. They are still without coverage.

Many directions this insurance saga can take. $150 billion is a lot of money.

R171 I know. He's probably scared he'll be shot.

The Queen mother’s home has now been decimated.

Rick Caruso's outdoor mall in Palisades Village stands. He had a private fire force at work. Am I mad about it? Not really! If you asked someone to drop you in the middle of Palisades Village (a la Madonna taken to Times Square) they might take you to that grassy triangle in the video. Make up your own feels about billionaires/malls/the rich/what this says about society, etc.

I weep for those who have lost their escape bungalows on the ocean in Malibu.

Tina can move into Blue Ivy's old dollhouse.

A curfew order has been established for the Palisades and Eaton Fire zones. The order was in effect Thursday and will be enforced again Friday, starting at 6 p.m. and expiring at 6 a.m. Saturday, Sheriff Robert Luna said at a morning news conference. The only people allowed in the areas are disaster workers.

Anyone caught in the affected areas without authorization will be arrested and could be facing a misdemeanor conviction resulting in jail time and/or a fine of up to $1,000. Luna said nobody arrested for a curfew violation will be cited and released.

"They're going to get booked. We're not screwing around with this," he said.

California is definitely going to rethink their electric cars push now. People had their cars dying on the road because the electricity was down and it blocked traffic trying to get the hell out of there. The same goes for the push for a cashless society. Suddenly everyone was told to have cash on hand.

You aren't fooling anybody, r154. Your choice to troll at this time is disgusting.

The Republican turn on this sight - especially on this topic is disgusting. Trump and his crew will be here soon enough. I don’t know - I see no way that Caruso would have done any better.

Well it looks like they're starting to gain control of the Palisades fire, which means we're getting to the beginning of the end.

Glad to hear it r182. The Santa Ana winds will unfortunately be picking up again this weekend though. Prayers that they won't be as strong as they were earlier this week. It was the winds that led to a lot of this mess.

Yes, they're trying to blame Newsom for the "fish" thing and "DEI/woke" for having terrible firefighters. Typical MAGA/racist bullshit.

"As a Climate Scientist, I Knew It Was Time to Leave Los Angeles"

ugh

People shore be prattling about "prayers" widout any sign they be actually praying.

Phony cuntz.

I don't understand why President Biden didn't send in military water planes to deal with this fire days ago.

Vote for me next time, I won't fuck around.

Tina Knowles’ comment is so “1%” it’s pathetic. people like her are the reason there are those who mock the rich who have lost their homes. I honestly feel bad for all affected by these fires, rich or poor, but many have lost their ONLY home, their businesses, etc. She's too self-absorbed to have keep that comment to herself.

[quote]I don't understand why President Biden didn't send in military water planes to deal with this fire days ago.

How would they have helped with the winds and water pressure, r188?

[quote]I honestly feel bad for all affected by these fires, rich or poor, but many have lost their ONLY home, their businesses, etc.

I don't know how a lot of regular people will get through this. I saw a guy interviewed yesterday who said he still has to pay the mortgage on his burned-to-the-ground house, still has to play $1,000 a month in fees to an HOA that no longer has a community to govern, and now has to pay for new lodging – if he can find and afford it, given that 100,000 or so others will be competing for spaces.

Lesson to be learned - don't move to California.

[quote] I saw a guy interviewed yesterday who said he still has to pay the mortgage on his burned-to-the-ground house, still has to play $1,000 a month in fees to an HOA that no longer has a community to govern,

Free advice: Don’t.

^^Ha! 1000 times yes let the bank reposess the burnt pile of toxic chemicals

Ugh - what effect will all of this financial devastation have beyond the now-homeless? If the banks can't get paid on these structures/properties, and can't re-build anything on the wasted land, what will that mean for rates and financing for the rest of us out here? The banks will always find a way to re-coup their funds, somehow.

The arson suspect has been released due to lack of evidence supporting the charge (but is being retained due to a probation violation).

Too bad they didn't heed the fire chief's warning

The National Guard has arrived. "They are here specifically to assist law enforcement".

The whole area will need to be bulldozed which is an extraordinary undertaking

You take such glee in your trolling, r198.

[Quote] I honestly feel bad for all affected by these fires, rich or poor, but many have lost their ONLY home, their businesses, etc.

ad their jobs/workplace

The "wasted land" still has value. The rich will be better than before and the poors will go elsewhere. They'll have tax breaks and funding and even more stunning views with new laws to prevent any obstructions. In a few years their cement mcmonoliths will be filled with Birken bags placed gently on Carrera marble where Conchita just polished.

I'm hopeful that the re-building process will include new housing codes for non-flammable, eco-friendly materials, like mesa brick and the like.

R203 they now have a view of the ocean from the PCH in Malibu

I wonder what materials the still-standing houses on PCH were made of. Those photos were stark, there were a few houses left completely untouched and intact where everything around them had burned. There had to have been some special construction considerations to stave off fire.

Did Olivia Haviland make it out?

A lot of people and businesses are not going to return to California now and many who weren’t already there aren’t going to set up shop in the state. California’s economy may never be the same after this. Insurance companies are deeming it uninsurable. I expect more and more people to continue moving South to Georgia and Texas, specifically Austin. That’s where all former California residents are moving to. They still get sunshine. It would be smart of a lot of states to give even more tax incentives to them. California was always one of those places like was just on the edge of becoming completely uninhabitable. Its terrain and weather are just no good. Pretty but no good to live on. It’s like Florida with its swamps they stupidly built on top of.

Wait until the rest of America sees their insurance premiums skyrocket over this.

[quote] I don't know how a lot of regular people will get through this. I saw a guy interviewed yesterday who said he still has to pay the mortgage on his burned-to-the-ground house, still has to play $1,000 a month in fees to an HOA that no longer has a community to govern, and now has to pay for new lodging – if he can find and afford it, given that 100,000 or so others will be competing for spaces.

California’s homeless problem just went up. Now everyone is gonna be on the street, including the former wealthy. Maybe we should use the land as a homeless dumping ground. An American version of Australia, but for the homeless and mentally ill.

Tina Knowles and her trashy family need to fuck off.

Is it possibly for them to determine how the fire began in the first place at this point? What a headache.

I wonder how many people are going to be diagnosed with lung cancer because of this. It happened to tons of people in Manhattan after 9/11.

Someone didn't do their job. The reservoirs weren't filled on time.

R214 was amazing to me the number of firefighters who weren't wearing any types of masks or protective face coverings. Even Anderson Cooper was reporting from a neighborhood as embers were falling all around him and he had his mask down while reporting. WTF!

It must have been horrible for the fire fighters who couldn't do their jobs due to someone's major fuck up.

I'm naive, but one's income doesn't come into consideration for me when looking at what happened here. It should, I suppose, but the human loss and the terrible staining of that beautiful part of the country hits me harder. It's been a long week and damnit, I can't get into politics every fucking time something happens. Can we not agree in principle that this was a tragedy and that most people affected on Monday will never make up their losses, be they financial or otherwise?

I hope the residents involved - renter or owner - won't get unreasonably fucked up the ass, but you know they will.

California has been playing a game of diminishing returns since the late 70s. I agree with posters above saying that this may be the crack that breaks Grandma's back. An elastic band only stretches so far.

This week was my second time watching Karen Bass. I liked her at the Dem convention. This week she made a fool of herself by acting like a vapid office temp attending a meeting on her manager's behalf. If I was a Californian voter, I'd be pissed too.

r217- yawn

[quote]r218 = If I was a Californian voter, I'd be pissed too.

I *am* a California voter and I'm certainly not pissed.

r217, you didn't answer my question at r191.

The headline if this thread is missing. Anybody else have the same thing?

Everybody plays, everybody wins then, R220. I'm not here to argue. In my opinion, she failed to impress. You might be closer to the finer details and you may have a more accurate take. Bully for you.

Maybe you blovked the OP r222

I live in LA, r223, so yes, I am "closer to the finer details".

Jesus.

Hey, everyone impressed with R220 yet?

As a fellow California voter, I am!

I am not here to impress, r226. I'm also not here to troll or aggravate a catastrophic situation. My city is burning, kindly fuck off.

Please take care, my fellow Angelenos.

Mountain View Mausoleum in Altadena was saved with some damage to parts of the cemetery.

4 MINS AGO 11:19 AM PST

Evacuation order issued for fire in Granada Hills By Jonathan Lloyd The Archer Fire is burning 2-3 acres of light to medium brush burning under erratic winds in the Granada Hills area. Evacuations were ordered for the following areas: East: Balboa at 5 Freeway; West: Tampa; South: Sesnon; North: Sunshine Canyon Road.

[quote] You take such glee in your trolling, [R198].

Totally Agree R201.

They are trolling L.A over a 2% budget cut. Meanwhile they are cheering their fanboy, Elon, who wants tRump to slash $2,000,000,000,000

[quote]They are trolling L.A over a 2% budget cut. Meanwhile they are cheering their fanboy, Elon, who wants tRump to slash $2,000,000,000,000

And ending climate protection measures, along with slashing welfare and gutting the Affordable Care Act, are a centerpiece of that effort.

R232, MAGAts are idiots. Is that brain-dead moron, brandon-joseph, on this thread?

Nah, just our usual megatroll.

Re: ghouls "touring" the burned out areas.

We had a tornado here several years ago. It was a small one, didn't do much structure damage, but took out a bunch of power poles, transformers, trees and generally made a big mess.

It made the local news and before Duke could get out here and secure the power lines, we had fucking idiots trying to drive down the street to gawk.

Once the power lines were secured and the road partially cleared, it was a steady parade of idiot gawkers - most of them fucking geezers - driving by and taking pictures as we were trying to clean up the debris.

People are fucking idiots

Is it true that a 3.1 earthquake was detected in Los Angeles this morning (Friday)?

[quote](Hypocrisy and Stupidity are MAGA strong suits)

Hypocrisy, you say?

House Speaker Mike Johnson quietly urged the EPA late last year to award a city in his district a grant focused on the environment and disadvantaged communities — funding from the Democrats’ climate law that Republicans have vowed to gut.

Very few people would notice a 3.1, I'd wager, R237

Seeing some video of the area reminds me of how Mariupol looked.

There were a few small quakes north of LA in the last day or two. One in Santa Barbara county, and one in Monterey.

If Californians resettle in Austin, will that finally turn Texas blue?

Austin (and Houston) are already solidly blue. We need them to settle in other parts of the state.

Thanks, R241.

A photo of what was Palisades, courtesy of the LA Times. It is hard to see how private-model home insurance stays workable at all for this entire region.

A major quake would really shake things up.

They're going to be using cadaver dogs.

What’s going on with prisons? Have them been affected? I’ve seen nursing homes and hospitals having to evacuate. What about prisoners?

R242, it definitely could if they move to the rest of Texas. Austin is already blue. The South could be looking at a major shakeup politically over this.

Yep. Earthquake in Bay Area.

I am in West Covina. I just stepped outside a a bit - the wind is picking up again….. This morning I was watching Knots Landing on Plex. The episode when Joan Van Ark, Michelle Lee , Donna Mills etc are in a mansion that is haunted by 3 little girls was on. That mansion burned down yesterday. That was the Altadena mansion that Jean Smart lives in in “Hacks”.”

Many people will be leaving. Do not underestimate the amount of people there who were riding their property wealth.

Authorities are pleading with people not to use leaf blowers, they spread toxic dust.

I realize people aren't thinking clearly at a time like this, but DUH!!!!

That crooked gay insurance commissioner was on today running his mouth.

[quote] After the election, Lara faced significant criticism in which he admitted to receiving donations from the insurance industry he regulates despite pledging not to do so during his campaign.

I was watching live when the reporter interviewed the architect of this lone surviving home on Iliff Street.

brief interview

Thata's gotta be creepy at night when he moves back in. Also no neighbors to trade recipes with!

It will be creepy and probably very loud, as the bulldozers will be busy every day moving the debris and wreckage away. Also the sounds of re-building, if that will occur at all.

If they say put, I wonder what will happen to their insurance premiums and property tax rates.

How safe will it be to move into a completely isolated, desolate area?

[quote]I am in West Covina.

R259 Not safe at all. A lot of the debris is highly toxic.

R236, quite a few of those "ghouls" are actual residents trying to figure out whether the fuck their homes and entire livelihoods evaporated in the wind. I have two friends who managed to bike into the Palisades yesterday: one found out the hard way that his house was entirely destroyed. The other's home was largely destroyed, but he was at least able to salvage some more family heirlooms before they needed to leave. (This was yesterday when it was still clear and not that windy, so this wasn't any "gawker" thing.)

For those who are interested (and need a break from seeing all the carnage), a great article with photos from AD from 1989, highlighting Spielberg's estate on Amalfi Drive.

Sorry post at r263 is in wrong thread, was supposed to be in the Celeb Fire thread. Enjoy it anyway.

[quote]That was the Altadena mansion that Jean Smart lives in in “Hacks”.”

Has anyone checked on 1675 E. Altadena Dr.? I lived there for a couple of years before I moved to Paris indefinitely. My parents thought it was in Beverly Hills for some reason.

Thank you R260 - That was me this morning!!

All the homes that high up should have been made of concrete.

Most recent update is 7000 structures destroyed just in Eaton fire.

World Central Kitchen has arrived!

If they send all of the immigrants home - who will rebuild the houses

Just heard the fire is headed toward PJ Soles' house in Woodland Hills.

It's tragic on so many levels, but I just keep thinking about all the animals that must have died in this. It's absolutely heartbreaking.

[quote]Just heard the fire is headed toward PJ Soles' house in Woodland Hills.

Run, PJ, RUN!

The recovery stage is going to horrible.

Can someone please link me information that has the real story on the LA water supply issue? My right wing asshole friends are saying reservoirs weren't filled. But others are saying it was only one reservoir and it was under maintenance. Just bad luck. I want to tell them to fuck off....but with evidence.

Hmmmm....how DO you magically refill a reservoir when there's a drought going on?

Gavin is ordering an independent investigation as to why hydrants ran out of agua in Pacific Palisades.

I read elsewhere that one of the reservoirs in the hills was 'offline' which means it was not in use because the cover was broken. No one is admitting how long it has been dry. Even though officials are falling over themselves saying it wouldn't have made much difference anyway, it's not a good look.

Also, the other reservoirs were only half full but that's SOP for some reason having to do with they don't want water sitting around too long or it gets contaminated or bleachy or something.

R275 at your service ^^^

MAGA Blames Everything But Climate Change For Deadly California Fires

The speed of the wind and fire could only be put out swiftly by a tsunami.

If you think (R) after a politicians name would have prevented a natural cycle millions of years old you're in a cult.

This will work out nicely for them

R277 here. I realize I didn't provide a link for the reservoir info but it was from an official site.

To everyone saying this would never had happened if the three reservoirs had all been filled to capacity that's bullshit. This was a firestorm in hurricane-force winds and a municipal water system built to provide water to homes and business with the capacity to put out single house fires.

It was an extrarordinary firestorm and nature beat humans.

[quote]nature beat humans.

As it always will.

[quote] My right wing asshole friends are saying reservoirs weren't filled.

R275, Why do you have right wing asshole friends?

[Quote]If they send all of the immigrants home - who will rebuild the houses

and clean the toilets in the mansions still standing

Oh, that's not...

R286 bingo!

[quote] On Thursday night, California Insurance Commissioner Ricardo Lara issued a mandatory one-year moratorium, protecting homeowners’ insurance coverage in areas affected by the Palisades and Eaton fires. The moratorium will prohibit insurance companies from enacting non-renewals and cancellations until Jan. 7, 2026.

This should ignite (no pun intended) thousands of lawsuits from insurance companies across the country, saying how unlawful this is. And they will win, and California taxpayers will pony up the legal fees. And once it's over, the insurance companies will pack up and leave CA for good.

I hope LA does not forget the importance of having a diverse team managing the recovery.

Your Klan hood is showing, R291.

[quote]Someone didn't do their job. The reservoirs weren't filled on time.

Puddin' pie, answer me this: Whose job is it to "fill the reservoirs," where do they get the water, and what is the timeline for doing so?

It's almost as if an extraordinarily dry season didn't produce enough rain to do its job to help "fill the reservoirs." But you seem to think the State of California Official Fillers of the Reservoirs were skylarking instead of doing their jobs.

R277 Explains the reservoir issue. Posting anything informative here is a waste of time.

Fox 'News' panel MELTS DOWN after host DEBUNKS Trump FIRE LIES

R292 and your deep well of poisonous stupidity is showing. Thank you and all those who think like you for your help in this matter.

They say it keeps getting hotter and dryer there so the future of LA doesn't look good.

Sure, Jan/ R294, and yet R277 conveniently links nothing to support a bunch of balderdash.

They don't know but think the origin of the fire was either sparked by utility lines or arson.

If arson was involved (and it looks likely for some of the fires), apparently they should be able to track suspects with scary precision using their cell phones.

Spot a person doing something shady at xxx time in xxx place, track every cell phone going in and out of that location at that point in time, find your suspect.

[quote]If you think (R) after a politicians name would have prevented a natural cycle millions of years old you're in a cult.

According to them, all we have to do is wait 10 more days and the President will miraculously solve the World's problems. Climate change/natural disasters will stop, inflation will decrease, crime goes down, international conflicts will end and America will be great again.

A cult indeed. One that needs a koolaid pact for the moment when they figure out they've been lied to.

It might have been somewhere in between a spark and arson. It could have been homeless lighting a fire to stay warm that got out of control.

It's more husbands of friends. And one childhood friend who is family.

Thanks for the help R277.

Firefighters arriving to volunteer from Canada and...

...wait of it...

....MEXICO.

Make Firefighting Mexican again!

R301 Sad they don't realize that he wants to burn it all down.

[quote] They don't know but think the origin of the fire was either sparked by utility lines or arson.

MOST of the fires were due to sparks and high winds. They think **one** of the fires (not the larger ones) may have been the work of an arsonists.

CNN's Bill Weir strikes me as the kind of guy who cries after he cums.

Oh, man, babe, I felt so close to you. I could see God, I couldn't speak, but, babe, the reality of it. Cosmic.

R165 who is about as fucking stupid as they come doesn't have any idea in the world that more people of color are moving to the MAGA side. This gaping asshole must have been asleep for the last four years.

R255/R256 - that architect is going to be a gazillionaire now.

I wonder where the new celebrity enclaves will be. Palm Springs? Las Vegas? Austin?

I'm blowin' smoke, bitches!

Fucking drone ran into Super Scooper plane and disabled it.

It was a Canadian plane and our new president assures us Canada doesn't have anything we want.

I think I just heard Hayvenhurst is on fire?

Yes Encino evacuating.

R310 Most likely, which is foolish because these places are just as vulnerable to extreme climate change as California. If people were smart, they would be moving in droves to the upper Midwest which is the safest bet for the next 50 years, but for some reason people can't seem to give up the idea of living places that just aren't naturally suited for human habitation in our changing climate. They'll learn the hard way. Again and again.

R235, brandon-joseph IS the DL Megatroll.

Any time you hear about NYC crime, Chicago murders, SF streets being full of shit, LA being just nuts in general...... that IS brandon-joseph. He's supposedly from NYC and worships Florida and De Santis.

New evacuation zone to the east affecting a lot of people. LAPD on live now, driving around screaming for people to leave.

Are there even anymore soundstages in LA? Isn’t everything filmed outside the US or in Georgia now? There’s really no point in “Hollywood” being run out of California anymore. They can buy offices anywhere.

And as I typed that, Brentwood under evacuation and an announcement they're closing the 405, a major artery on the westside connecting West L.A. to the Valley.

Unfortunately the winds are picking back and up will continue to do so for the next few days. They had a day where they died down. This is going to get even worse.

[quote] On Thursday night, California Insurance Commissioner Ricardo Lara issued a mandatory one-year moratorium, protecting homeowners’ insurance coverage in areas affected by the Palisades and Eaton fires. The moratorium will prohibit insurance companies from enacting non-renewals and cancellations until Jan. 7, 2026.

Ricardo is a crook. He was caught taking bribes from insurance companies.

[quote] Gavin is ordering an independent investigation as to why hydrants ran out of agua in Pacific Palisades.

[quote]I read elsewhere that one of the reservoirs in the hills was 'offline' which means it was not in use because the cover was broken. No one is admitting how long it has been dry. Even though officials are falling over themselves saying it wouldn't have made much difference anyway, it's not a good look.

[quote]Also, the other reservoirs were only half full but that's SOP for some reason having to do with they don't want water sitting around too long or it gets contaminated or bleachy or something.

Heads are gonna roll when all is said and done. I fully expect Bass and Newsom to be put on trial. This is going to get really ugly with one suit after another.

I really thought it was winding down.

Watching live footage from the Santa Anita racetrack of hundreds of people sorting through donated clothes and food trucks giving out meals. A lot of the people who showed up to help seem to be from Boyle Heights/East LA, which are not wealthy communities.

Uh oh Encino and Brentwood!

A man with a blowtorch is seen by residents setting things on fire like an old Christmas tree. They apprehend him the police take him into custody and have now released him WTF!

Same here R324 -after Lucinda Basset’s house burned down there wasn’t any real reasons for this fire to continue…

Is there a drag king named Kenneth Fire yet?

Can’t believe LAPD let that pyro out.

When Hurricane Hilary hit LA in 2023, I was saying how I used to want to move to LA but was so glad I never did. Between the air quality, the wildfires, potential for earthquakes and the drought, plus the imminent death of thousands of "expiring" palm trees, LA has seemed like truly a ticking time bomb. Someone read me to filth, saying I must have never left my own state and I must just be an idiot to have those reservations. Well, I regret to say, "I told you so." The LA tightrope was always going to snap, one way or another.

No schadenfreude from me, however. This is a total nightmare of staggering proportions. I am grateful that I did not move to LA when I had the chance. But I love LA, and I love my friends that live there. This is all so surreal and terrible.

Several of my friends moved from NYC to LA during one of the first waves of the NYC > LA creative migration about 10 years ago.

Every single one of them moved back to NYC or moved on — Portland, Hawaii.

Two made small fortunes from buying modest homes and selling them 5-6 years later for twice the purchase price.

Lucky motherfuckers.

[quote] CNN's Bill Weir strikes me as the kind of guy who cries after he cums.

I'd like to make him do both

What exactly would you put the governor and mayor on trial for?

So Cal has fires every year. It's a desert with very little rainfall, treacherous winds at certain times of the year, and way too many people living on top of all that.

So Cal and Florida are both places that shouldn't have large populations.

R334 hasn’t been listening to reports of fire officials saying that they warned Bass months ago that they weren’t prepared and needed a bigger budget. Americans love to sue and people need someone to blame.

The final image taken by "Mount Harvard 2" live cam operated by AlbertCalifornia before it was consumed by the Eaton Fire.

I have seen so many horrific images this past week, and for some reason THIS is the one that had me break down in tears, and I don't know why...

The air quality in LA is dangerous. A lot of deaths from lung cancer are expected.

Poor Walt.

Suing elected officials. Yeah...that's a thing.

At least ‘’poor Walt’’ has Viola Davis in his corner.

CNN attacking Newsom.

What do you mean r340?

Goats EVACUATED

R327, it's nice to see Angelenos getting fed up with these druggies/homeless/mentally ill.

That is starting to describe my mood. I hope they broke his arm

Goats are always evacuating.

Is there a video on YouTube of the first report of a fire happening? I guess it would be this past Tuesday.

R327, he's lucky they didn't beat the shit out of him.

Encino a d Brentwood under mandatory evacuation. Getty Center included.

Know Your Oligarchs, Par 134:

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[quote][R327], he's lucky they didn't beat the shit out of him.

He’s lucky he was caught in Woodland Hills, not East L.A.

Archive link for those who don't want to give clickdollars to the nasty far right Daily Hate.

Fresh Prince of Bel Air house in evacuation zone.

To be clear....not ALL of Encino is under mandatory evacuation, nor an evacuation warning (at 11:45 pm) -- basically, just the eastern portion, south of Ventura Blvd. The neighborhoods immediately east of Encino Reservoir, south of Adlon Road (basically where Hayvenhurst goes up to Mulholland Drive) are under mandatory evacuation. There are evacuation *warnings*, north of Adlon, to Ventura Blvd., extending west to Louise Ave.

There are no evacuation warnings for the neighborhoods west of Louise Ave. (so far)

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Help has arrived

Thoughts on the contents of the Sussex food parcels that the Duchess handed out?

Individually numbered pots of jam decanted from Costco

Organic dog biscuits for the pooch in distress

Harry’s famous roast chicken - delicious, even if you’re vegetarian like Her Royal Highness

Meghan’s banana bread - perfected overnight in the kitchens of Government House Sydney

Hot tea - to be thrown at the cringing underlings

Bananas - for inspirational / bathetic messages to the poors who don’t have a second house to escape to.

Comments on Tiktok a d Instagram are terribly cruel. Makes this place look kind comparatively, especially if you take away the obvious chaos agents.

And what have you done to help, R357?

Governor Newsom has announced that in the name of social justice, looting will be permitted up to $900 in value per looter per property.

Bad disinformation jokes aside, they're telling the students at UCLA to get ready to go.

I really hope they start making some headway before the winds get bad again on Monday.

Have we heard from Angelyne yet? Is she “effected”?

Blame Gamer Trolls : What part of NATURAL disaster do your so called minds not get?

Thx R358 I’m very glad to hear mainstream social media is over Meghan and her hostages-thought it was just us.

New UCLA Chancellor Julio Frend announced Wednesday night that "after careful consideration, we have made the decision to curtail campus operations, cancel undergraduate classes and move graduate courses to remote instruction for the next two days.... While there remains no immediate fire danger to our campus, given an expected change in wind patterns in the hours ahead, it is likely that the air quality in Westwood will worsen."

If you watch one fire video today watch this one from this morning 1/11 at 4 a.m.

Tragic.

[quote]Rory Callum Sykes, 32, who appeared in the media as a boy talking about living with disabilities including cerebral palsy — and was even a motivational speaker for a time — died at his family’s home in Malibu, Calif., on Wednesday, Jan. 8, his mother, Shelley Sykes, announced in a post on X. “It is with great sadness that I have to announce the death of my beautiful son @Rorysykes to the Malibu fires yesterday,” Shelley wrote on Thursday, Jan. 9, adding that she is “totally heartbroken” over her “wonderful son.”

What are they making schools from that they burn up with some bushes are on fire?

And maybe houses need to be built in a Mediterranean fashion with non flammable walls and tile roofs?

Maybe all the pools should be equipped with a simple pump that can run on batteries and when the neighbourhood is on faire, all the pools pump their water to the top of the house and it rains like a sprinkler to at least discourage the spread.

I think we should forfeit hosting the Olympics and use the money for that for rebuilding L.A..

I think the city economy will need the money and we don't need the Olympics going to a red state.

Tokyo is not a red state.

You know Trump won't let that happen .

[quote]Tokyo is not a red state.

Have you seen their flag?

You’ve decided that Tokyo will pick up the Olympics, R371? Are you an IOC member?

Fuck off you extremist pig R181. We can hold both parties accountable which they are. People like you really are a pip. You want to beatify every Dem when they can be as rotten as rethugs. Well not as bad as Trump but very very bad all the same.

Kamala should head up the commission that will inevitably be appointed to rebuild LA

There is a tradeoff between building materials that can withstand a fire and building materials that can withstand an earthquake.

LA housing is skewed towards the latter because earthquakes have been far more common.

R377 thank you for that info. A good point. Could they perhaps use metal roofs, and maybe metal sidings at least?

What makes the fire consume a neighbourhood that is not in the bushes on the hills? Do the fires on the hills just send over non stop embers, far into built neighborhoods?

The L.A. Olympics are 3 1/2 years off. Lots of time. Would Angelenos and newly rebuilt businesses want to forego the revenue? Why would they say no to a cash influx upon rebuilding from a tragedy, r369?

I realise that people and businesses own the land in these destroyed neighbourhoods but why should anything be rebuilt to be destroyed, again? It's the same in flood zone areas.

If they must rebuild, can't they make it all a bit more fire proof?

Perhaps more fireproof multi residence buildings, less density of single family homes, and more attention to fire resistant landscaping? And sprinklers, for gods sakes.

Sprinklers won't work without water.

The Olympics lose money.

2012 Summer Games: London budgets $5 billion but spends $18 billion.

2014 Winter Games: Sochi, Russia, budgets $10.3 billion but spends more than $51 billion.

2016 Summer Games: Rio de Janeiro budgets $14 billion but spends $20 billion.

R379, it’s going to take a decade to rebuild Los Angeles.

Sochi cost 50 billion? Sheesh!

Morgan Fairchild gives an update on her well-being.

Good, informative Facebook post from a friend of a friend re: the fires, the landscape, and climate change.

I eat piles and piles of shit.

FLAMING shit!

[quote]Perhaps more fireproof multi residence buildings, less density of single family homes, and more attention to fire resistant landscaping?

There is no such thing as a 100 percent fireproof building. You can make houses more fire-resistant in terms of design and materials but no structure is impervious to fire.

r387, use the block key and watch the bile disappear.

These fucking WINDS. Just won't stop.

A lot of the structures in Los Angeles county were built from the 1930s through the 1960s when the climate was quite different, which is why they’ve held up fine until now. The lack of rain combined with 100 MPH Santa Anas is unprecedented.

R392 But NO! It's The Deep State!

It's Woke DEI Rainbow people!

/s

My guess is Dee Plorable is less interested in being saved from a fire by someone like her and more interested in being saved from a fire by a person who can save someone from a fire

It would be expensive I'm sure, but what about requiring underground tanks that could be filled with fire retardant in new construction near wildland-urban interface boundaries, and strongly incentivizing it elsewhere? Or maybe it wouldn't need to be for each individual home, but done at the street or neighborhood level. I'm imagining something that could douse homes and vegetation in fire retardant, in addition to the sprinkler setups that many people already have. I don't know what kind of mess it makes, or if there are health concerns, but it has to better than entire neighborhoods burning down.

R199, when was the last time the National Guard was dispatched to LA? The Watts Riots?

OFGS, R393. EVERYBODY knows it's those illegal criminal immigrants! They enter with their caravans and then SET FIRE TO THEM!!

In less fraught times they would hunker down and have a stolen pet dog and cat barbecue!

[quote]You’ve decided that Tokyo will pick up the Olympics, [R371]? Are you an IOC member?

No, but they have the infrastructure still there from the Covid Olympics which no one attended, so they wouldn't have to build anything consequential in this short period of time. In actuality, no one wants them anymore.

Interesting article, "Here is why California can’t use ocean water to help fight the wildfires."

I don't think harming vegetation with salt water us a huge concern now.

Vegetation shouldn’t be growing there anyway. It is a desert.

Re: R399's link

[quote]Sea water, in theory, could be used to help a fire. But, its salty components can do more harm than good, which is why firefighters typically avoid using it unless absolutely necessary.

If it's not "absolutely necessary" now, I can't imagine when it would be.

[quote]Vegetation shouldn’t be growing there anyway. It is a desert

It’s a Mediterranean climate, Einstein.

They are using ocean water.

Steve Guttenberg helps.

That was five days ago.

What, r406, like the fires aren't still burning? What's your point?

Their point was, it's a tad late to post the "hey, look! It's Steve Guttenberg helping!" video five days after it happened/was originally posted/we all saw it.

I agree, do keep up R405.

R402 - salt water also increases the risk of electrical shock to firefighters and corrodes their equipment.

Still, they are cautiously risking it.

Actor William Macnamara- what a sweetheart

He breaks down at the end over a cat--

I love this guy and he looks great!

sorry- i am fucked-- Video of william

UCLA just sent out an email to "prepare in case an evacuation order is issued."

r413- I am not from the area and everything I have learned is from films, tv shows, and Youtube.. Is that Westwood??

R414 Correct.

I hope in the future they don't intend to replant Palm Trees, they're highly flammable. The oil in the fronds can easily ignite.

Or eucalyptus, r416.

It’s not native either, is it?

No, it's native to Australia.

Death toll from the Eaton fire is confirmed to be 8 (human) souls at this time.

19 arrested in connection with this fire. (Looting, drugs, burglary, identity theft.)

Rosie O, still at the Four Seasons, said on TikTok her place in Santa Monica was looted.

I've never seen so much detailed video of the hills around LA. It's too bad it took this fire to see it.

R399, I'd think salt water is corrosive and can damage existing vegetation? When the two tsunamis happened, countries affected had to wait years before the land was arable again.

"Rosie O, still at the Four Seasons, said on TikTok her place in Santa Monica was looted."

she always blame looters when she stress eats the entire contents of the refrigerator

I like Ro. She seems like a wonderful mother to her youngest daughter, who’s autistic.

Thise super scooper planes are super because they can easily use sea water

This made me cry.

And scoop.

From the NWS Los Angeles forecast discussion regarding the next Tuesday wind event:

And yet another Santa Ana event is expected Tuesday into Wednesday. This is still beyond the time range for our hi res models, but the NAM as well as most of the EC ensemble solutions are suggesting quite a strong event, likely stronger than the events the last few days, and possibly rivaling the initial wind event last Tuesday, but without the mountain wave and winds in the San Gabriel Valley.

Which is the most informative / best live feed to watch on YouTube?

On Fox11 they just explained why using a garden hose to douse your house is really not a good idea, it does nothing because the air heats up and evaporates it, but worse, it lowers the water pressure available to the fire fighters.

[quote]On Fox11 they just explained why using a garden hose to douse your house is really not a good idea, it does nothing because the air heats up and evaporates it, but worse, it lowers the water pressure available to the fire fighters.

So is there a moratorium on douching?

^^^Yes, Cheryl. You're good.

Is it bad that I’m sick to death of hearing Palisades?

For you, r433

lolz.

The night this all started, The DL was really interesting and a great resource, posts every minute or so. I haven't been back since. Obviously, things have changed.

I believe Mother Nature is telling us she has had sufficient of the human race.

I have that same blanket, r426.

A friend gave it to me years ago when we were camping

Sharon Stone said that looters stole her refrigerator.

I believe mother nature worships the devil

[quote] Death toll from the Eaton fire is confirmed to be 8 (human) souls at this time.

Human souls?

[quote] I like Ro. She seems like a wonderful mother to her youngest daughter, who’s autistic.

Hi Rosie!

Yer the devil!

Rosie O. said that she and her daughter are going to move back to NYC. She still owns a home there. I don't blame her. There's going to be too much turmoil in LA over the next few years.

[quote]Thise super scooper planes are super because they can easily use sea water

That reminds me of the urban legend about the charred remains of a scuba diver found in a tree…

I thought Rosie never bought a home in LA and has been renting all this time. Does she still own the place on the Hudson River?

Seriously, imagine the traffic with all the vehicles required to rebuild that many homes.

R433 it’s bad for you that you’re showing your complete lack of empathy, but as you have none, you won’t care anyway.

I always thought Pacific Palisades had a real ring to it. Like Bel Air or Giorgio of Beverly Hills,

Planes have been dropping fire retardant to keep the fire from spreading. It looks like they're making progress but by no means are the fires out. Where is has burned looks like a gigantic wasteland. Terrible.

[quote] Rosie O. said that she and her daughter are going to move back to NYC. She still owns a home there. I don't blame her. There's going to be too much turmoil in LA over the next few years.

Rosie also owns some waterfront property in Miami. She should just STFU, already. Nobody wants to hear about all of her residence options.

Firefighters from Mexico have arrived to help. Canada and Texas are on their way.

The mansion where Succession was shot has burned down.

Naomi Wolf having a normal one.

"In the space of 24 hours, Naomi Wolf has claimed that the fires in LA are an actual war or foreign invasion, a plot to kill people to destroy evidence of Covid vaccine adverse effects, weather manipulation, a deliberate bombing campaign, and mass spraying of mood stabilisers."

Incredible before/after shots of regular neighbors (with a sliding bar)

r379, the cash influx in 3.5 years from now is not going to any of the people who have lost everything now.

Naomi Wolf is batshit crazy. What else is new?

Well at least it saved us from having to suffer through a Gavin Newsom presidential run. He's done anywhere outside CA now and that's a good thing.

R437, we are talking a few thousand acres on a large planet. I don't think you're right. At the same time, I don't think the Earth is about humanity. I do think it is a magical place that cannot help but create life in a largely lifeless universe, as far as we know now. Life on Earth has endured two or three extinctions, yet always came back in this explosions of biodiversity. This is truly amazing.

It's not just California, R459.

I'm definitley NOT a Newsom fan (dislike him, actually) but I'm not sure what he can be blamed for.

It's fires. In SoCal. They happen every year. This time, it's VERY bad. The response to the fires by city/county/state seem appropriate. No one's not doing their job.

Climate scientist Dr. Daniel Swain in his livestream today;

“As much as I wish I could give really good news about the weather, I do not have that news to convey. In fact, I have pretty bad news about the weather. The short term, we’re having another Santa Ana event tonight and into tomorrow. It isn’t that strong although it could still cause problems. We’ll see another one though early in the week and then another one beyond that toward mid-week that actually- and I hesitate to say this- could rival the strength of the extreme wind event that drove these 2 urban conflagrations into populated areas.”

Rosie sold her Miami property long ago. It recently listed for $54 million. What kind of idiot would pay that much for a house that's likely to be underwater within ten years and is probably uninsurable?

Could someone explain to me what makes a flat, neighbourhood quite far from the forest go up in flames where everything is destroyed. There is payment, sidewalks, some house and some trees. Is it because the millions of sparks are spead by the wind? Everything is highly flammable in such neighbourhoods? every tree? every roof? every wall? every bush?

Its the winds + proximity of builds + dryness? Inside neighbourhoods, it never strikes me as dried out desert in LA. It's pretty green. Are all the trees healthy in the neighbourhoods? Haven't they been watering? In October 2024 the 154 largest reservoirs in California were at 114% of their normal capacity.

I understand a place like Malibu going up, because the fire races down those flammable hills. But some of those neighborhoods in LA are very urban - not isolated surburban style houses scattered through burnable bush on hills.

My understanding is that a lot of the decorative vegetation used in LA: palm trees, eucalyptus - are some of the most flammable on earth due to their oils. They go up in flames like a torch, and there are many videos of palm trees alight with fire, bending in the wind with sparks and embers blowing off them in droves.

Houses and fencing are primarily built of wood and are flammable. The crevices around the roof eaves, the roof and attic vents, can catch the embers, quickly alighting a home. Windows break in the enormous heat - fire/flame and sparks enter, alighting the inside.

And it was windy as fuck... embers blown further and further into dry brush, so fire everywhere.

I read once that Brits are puzzled as yo why our homes and other structures contain wood, Tyvek, and other highly flammable materials, rather than brick, mortar, cinder bock, and so on.

So yes, r464, our buildings burn. Hurricane-strength winds carry hot embers. Add drought.

Not all water is able to get where it is needed. Moreover, not every citizen knows how to fight fires. Do you?

"yo" = "to".

"bock" = "block."

I'm getting a geography lesson about Los Angeles. I've never been to California and most of what I've seen of LA has always been the area where the tall buildings are, I had no idea it was so spread out.

R458, Give it four years and get back to us.

MAGA TRASH ALERT MAGA TRASH ALERT MAGA TRASH ALERT Lane R458 and so many others.

There's so much smoke, ugh. They thought smog was bad.

If you want to learn about wooden houses burning look up Tokyo bombing.

The Will Rogers ranch house is gone. Dennis Wilson quit the house and stopped paying rent in 1968 to escape the Manson Family, who had moved in following one of them living on site as Dennis' handyman and gardener. Neil Young met Manson at the house.

R434, You know that's about Palisades Park in NJ, right?

I used to go there as a kid.

Well why didn't these folks renovate in more recent years if there houses were built as tinder boxes back when it was not a risk. Wouldn't these modest neighborhoods at least cry out for tacky aluminium siding. Why not some metal roofs if tile is out of the question. I'm not blaming these people in particular, especially modest people. But maybe the US culture is a bit lax about building safety. I hope some attention is paid when rebuilding. But the landowners - former house owners, are going to need massive cash to do anything.

tokyo bombings.

While Trump is trolling Canada they are literally picking up water from the ocean to help put out the fires in the Palisades. Thank you Canada. 💙🇨🇦

R479, do you see the irony of your post?

Fucking California needs another country to save it you so dumb fuck!! Thank you all you CA democrats and Biden!

R478 that came to mind yes

R472 Are you having a stroke?

Did a bunch of DLers turn MAGA of late or are these new Putin hires?

So many trolls on here. And/or idiots.

I don't, r480. Where is the irony of Trump’s Lebensraum dreams and the free-will help from the sovereign nation of Canada?

R481, Keep your day job, if you have one. Do you think Democrats control the weather and the physics of wildfires? DO YOU SERIOUSLY BELIEVE A TRUMP ADMINISTRATION WOULD HELP CALIFORNIA MORE??!

A-hole.

What's your point, r478? That unseen planes (drones?) firebombed coastal California? That we shouldn't have attacked Tokyo? What?

R486, do stay on your anti-TDS medication, please.

R474, I think we know without research. We don't need to check Japan.

It isn't like the US is a stranger to major fires.

What a horribly diseased asshole R481 must be in his every day life. Human scum to think in that direction.

R479 see R481

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[quote] I had no idea it was so spread out.

Yes, the Los Angeles area is very spread out. I've been there several times and still feel like I don't have a grasp of it.

The only part that feels like a city is downtown LA, which is dead at night. Certain parts of Wilshire feel like a typical city.

But what about the OSCARS?

R488, Aren't you the clever one, considering you blame everything on Democrats and thus by your "standards" suffer from DDS.

You are stupid AF and so are the ones who agreed with you.

Give an example of when any Republican Governor or President dealt with a large-scale disaster well (and no, I don't count a Republican Governor when there was a Democratic President).

Bonus question: "True or False--- Trump would like to eliminate FEMA."

R494, What about them, FATTY Titties Mcgillicuddy?

I know that I don't have one and you cocksuckers can FUCK THE CUNT OFF!!!!

We can't really build with stone/brick because of earthquakes. Same reason why we don't have basements.

You're all going to have to come up with something you can do to protect your homes and neighborhoods, rather than saying what you can't. Or pack up and leave.

R479 why are you even posting that on a thread about the LA catastrophe you dumb fuck?

[Quote]While Trump is trolling Canada they are literally picking up water from the ocean to help put out the fires in the Palisades. Thank you Canada. 💙🇨🇦

and?

r492 -- Don't think about celebrities - btw Kim paid $22K in fees to water her lawn. Instead about average people with average gardens who spend a little more to use more. AFAIK, places like Santa Clarita have tiered water pricing, with users paying more per gallon as they cross higher usage levels.

So no, not everyone is saving water. Those reservoirs may be empty because of pools and landscaping.

Many Angelenos in West LA and Ventura County need to look in the mirror when blaming others for the lack of water.

BTW, the Santa Ana winds have always been around, named after the Santa Ana Canyon in Orange Cty. The excessive use of water has not.

Fuck.

So the pros are saying the two big fires (Palisades, Eaton) will be with us for at least another week or two.

Woods' face, however, is ravaged beyond repair.

So all his posturing and misinformation was all for not. Asshole.

On another message board forum they were reporting that Liza had to evacuate her home during the night, as the fires were quickly moving towards her neighborhood, but I haven't heard or read anything about Liza anywhere else. Has anyone heard / read anything ?

Lorna's son-in-law is a L.A. firefighter!

Is that where she was molested?

Lorna needs to realize she ain't no Liza.

R494: Postponed and/or drastically modified ceremony.

Here’s one of the most annoying women interviewed about her house burning down. “We have insurance!” This bitch is dumb as a box of rocks. Skip to the 2 min mark.

Larry King to Lorna-“Did your son like your performance in Grease 2?”

Can't believe it's still burning

Heard they planning for power shutdown

R511 why is she dumb?

She said at least they are alive and ok and they had insurance. That’s exactly how I would feel in her position.

One thing that upsets me is that media coverage is dying down since it’s been going since Tuesday because people have gotten bored with it. And yet the fire is still marching on.

R494 I have never been to LA, why is the downtown area dead at night if it’s like a city? I would have thought that a downtown area would be buzzing with nightlife, like say downtown manhattan.

Not in LA. Downtown is way different than in other large cities. Most business companies in the large building close at 5 and all the businesses follow. It's not in the best area and unless you are near the basketball arena there is not much going on. The nightlife in LA is mostly in the hip trendy areas like west Hollywood, Santa Monica, Venice and places like that. They are more in the inner city than downtown.

R517, LA's "downtown" is spread out: Silver Lake, WeHo, Hollywood, etc. all have their own little night life spots.

Our actual Downtown is mostly business oriented. Think lower Manhattan. Though it does have its own scene too. (And the Lakers/Kings arena.) But no one goes ever goes there unless you're forced to go!

[Quote] So, all his posturing and misinformation was all for not.

Not exactly. He got a lot of media attention

R505 *naught

The phrase is “all for naught.”

Can anyone on the ground update me with Brentwood?

Newsom released a website that details his version of topics such as supposed budged cuts and other controversial topics that are being discussed in right wing media.

I'm going to assume he's actually giving us the facts. Because I really want to tell right wingers to fuck the hell off.

Lived in San Francisco for a few years. I would consider the Financial District the closest thing to a "downtown." The Financial District, at least when I knew it, was dead at night. It's the nature of the beast.

I'll probably get a lot of flack for this, but I don't feel sorry for celebrities who own several houses, or have the millions to buy them. I feel bad for the regular folks who bought their homes in the 70s, back when they were affordable, and now can't afford another house.

^correct. Even downtown NY has businesses that close when the work day is done. People go elsewhere to socialize.

[quote]Here's one of the most annoying women interviewed about her house burning down. "We have insurance!" This bitch is dumb as a box of rocks.

I realize it's very un-DataLounge to plead for mercy on anyone's behalf, R511, but this woman just lost her house and everything she owns. She's probably numb and it hasn't really hit her yet. What is she supposed to say?

R527, she’s a cunt. Don’t try defending her.

For the love of god, I've just read that some looters are dressed as firefighters.

This is getting more like Die Hard by the minute.

R528 Are you on drugs or just looking for attention?

What exactly did she say that makes her a cunt?

Rip to those who died

[QUOTE]Well why didn't these folks renovate in more recent years if there houses were built as tinder boxes back when it was not a risk. Wouldn't these modest neighborhoods at least cry out for tacky aluminium siding. Why not some metal roofs if tile is out of the question.

🤣I'm not blaming these people in particular, especially modest people😅😘

Shut up, cunt

[bold]Los Angeles is not saving water. Those reservoirs may be empty because of pools and landscaping.[/bold]

LA has known for at least 30 years that its water usage is excessive and extravagant. It is not used for necessities like farming but for landscaping and pools. LA did not implement water rationing or usage controls. Instead, it used tiered pricing to allow the well-off to use as much as they wanted.

New music video about the fires dropped.

Firefighting equipment, procedures, professionals, training, hydrants, regulations, and so on are everywhere, including Republican-led municipalities and states, set up to combat fires on much, much smaller scales.

If this inferno were right now in, say, Texas, and Democrats were blaming the Governor, they would be excoriated loudly on Fox for "politicizing a human tragedy."

So GMAFB.

R533, Do you eat pistachios? Almonds?

[quote] But what about the OSCARS?

The only right thing to do is to cancel them.

UCLA still on alert. Classes remote.

R531 is so full of the milk of human kindness she looks like a tame cow.

A small sample of R481's internal landscape:

Los Angeles Fires pt 3 (formerly “Palisades” in pts 1 &2) Governor Newsom has announced that in the name of social justice, looting will be permitted up to $900 in value per looter per property.

Melania Trump at Jimmy Carter’s funeral service now I really think that Donald and Melania Trump are the only ones not medicated or hungover.

Péter Magyar, the handsome lawyer trying to topple Orbán Hungarians know history and act accordingly. They will fight the globalist/leftist bullshit because they've lived the nightmares of invasions and socialism.

Have you ever visited a place that had no redeeming qualities? Auschwitz. It was devastating. I sat in my hotel room in Krakow all evening staring out the window feeling completely empty, speechless and depleted. I also felt as if something came out with me and lingered for a few months.

(As for the last, the thing that came out of this rabid fascist was its soul trying to escape the wretch, and it seems clear it hasn't returned at all.)

I feel sorry for everybody, rich or poor. I do. Here's why. The loss of a house is a deeply emotional loss, whatever you can afford. The shared loss is the contents - the memories, the history, the talismans from a lifetime. Probably not vital things but meaningful things and part of your identity. When I think of the things I keep that mean something from my life I can appreciate the pain of coming to terms with losing them, because they are, Emma, my touchstones. (And when you think of the contents of the homes of the wealthy, think of the antiques and art potentially lost to fire... the craftsmanship and talent gone.)

But in the end these are just things and human nature being what it is you can get on with life and the important stuff. And in the end the wealthy can tend to themselves in the rebuild and it is society's job to support the people who aren't wealthy.

I’m guessing Sochi didn’t “cost” $50 billion, R384.

[quote]One thing that upsets me is that media coverage is dying down since it’s been going since Tuesday because people have gotten bored with it. And yet the fire is still marching on.

It's getting maudlin... an endless parade of weeping victims (not mocking the victims, mocking the laziness of TV news.) The crisis still exists. They should be reporting on how to prepare, what to take, price gouging, where the air clears, what governments are doing in terms of rebuild, and most of all where the fires are and what they're planning for and expecting (because even if the weather does the unexpected, they still have a plan.) This is just reality TV and it trivializes the thread and the public perceptions around the long game of the rebuild.

I remember reading a study regarding trauma and other psychological conditions experienced by people in the UK who survived air raids during the Second World War. One finding that stood out to me was that many people experienced the loss of their housing as more devastating than the death of a family member. It's a profoundly destabilizing experience that can have long-term negative effects upon one's psychological wellbeing.

Even if the residents of Pacific Palisades are better insulated against homelessness and poverty than the average resident of LA, it doesn't mean that they aren't affected emotionally by their houses going up in flames. Their lives have been turned completely upside down and much of their community turned into a desolate moonscape. The situation in Altadena looks to be similarly bleak, although the Eaton fire and its victims don't seem to be getting the same level of news coverage as the Palisades fire.

535, Dems would stjll be doing it

I'm preparing for food prices to stay up, if not go higher.

Yes, I know that isn't agrarian California.

But Big Food has all the grocery store shelf real estate. They will price gouge, anyway, pointing to the LA fires as their lying justification.

Obviously, we've got an abundance of water here in Wisconsin, but not as much snow as we usually get. That's not good for spring melt saturation for farmers. And then what?

Trump is the luckiest SOB ever.

When he can't bring food prices down and prices go sky-high after he's sworn-in (and let me hasten to add, no sane person thought he could), he's going to get away with blaming Democrats, like they're already doing with the LA Fires.

I'm spoiled. I love to spend on "better" groceries, but I'm going to severely budget and cut back because by Spring, if not earlier, between price gouging and unusual weather, I think we're going to be bitten.

Hard.

Yes, I know that LA isn't agrarian California ^.

Jesus Christ, R540. Do you stalk people in real life too?

[quote]The situation in Altadena looks to be similarly bleak, although the Eaton fire and its victims don't seem to be getting the same level of news coverage as the Palisades fire.

Not enough celebrities there.

Why do so many celebrities live in LA? They don't work all the time so no need to be close 24/7.

They need to "accidentally" bump into directors and producers at Spago, 550.

Wow, R540. Thank you! I'm sorta flattered I annoyed you enough that you wasted so much time and brain cells on me. I'm guessing you are the haus frau gestapo everywhere you go.

Don't believe the sudden shock here. It's bad actor 101.

[quote] Why do so many celebrities live in LA? They don't work all the time so no need to be close 24/7.

They have to be seen to be believed.

[quote] I feel sorry for everybody, rich or poor. I do. Here's why. The loss of a house is a deeply emotional loss, whatever you can afford.

No shit.

R550 Many show biz types need to be the center of attention. It’s why they work so hard to get noticed and become famous.

In Los Angeles they can hustle to get ahead, enjoy each other’s rarefied company, all while having their asses constantly kissed. No where else in the world offers the sort of absolute adulation they crave, even after they reach the top of the celebrity heap.

R550 this might shock you, but even celebs have families and start lives and put down roots.

Many move here in the early 20s, start their career (which might take years and years to get off the ground), get married and buy their first home here.

Over time, LA becomes "home". And "home" tends to be a powerful emotional draw for many humans. We like our "home" and tend to stay there for as long as we can. If possible.

Also, LA is a huge city with a ton to offer its citizens. I know it's hated here, but, as a native, I can tell you it's a wonderful place to live. Fires notwithstanding. Celeb or not.

How are people getting their medications in LA? It must be hell if you have health issues.

r557- Thank you. Good post-

R557, I’m sorry but that’s simply not true. Los Angeles has been a trainwreck for years now. It is not a place anyone would really feel home in. It’s only home to people who have lived there for 40 plus years and that’s simply because they know nothing else. I’ve lived in Los Angeles and people will always tell you that it’s a very lonely place if you don’t already have connections. It’s expensive and dangerous and it’s only gotten worse. People have been leaving by the truckloads for a reason. California and Florida are the dumbest places anyone can move to. I feel sorry for people to an extent.

If the Oscars go on the acceptance speeches are going to be insufferable.

Especially the one from DL favorite JLC, R561

Ted Cruz escapes to Cancun when weather disaster strikes his state...

Meanwhile: California Republicans to Ted Cruz - Hold My Beer

[quote]Here’s one of the most annoying women interviewed about her house burning down. “We have insurance!” This bitch is dumb as a box of rocks.

I'm still trying to figure out why this woman is annoying and described as 'dumb as a box of rocks'. She gave a heartfelt account of what they've been through since Wednesday, the loss they suffered, and still trying to remain hopeful.

The idiot who posted this and tried to mock her needs to be FF.

There are some really eloquent folks live on Fox 11. That assistant professor of physics was very good.

Southern California has by far the best weather in the country. The only downside is the fire potential, but that can be mitigated by living in a neighborhood not prone to burning.

San Diego weather is better than LA weather.

Some on-the-ground photos from Pacific Palisades. Just horrifying.

I fked the fires to a hotel and it was surreal when I finally get to pull up after a massive line of cars … FONZIE is standing there! Being sweet! Henry Winkler was my pre teen crush!

*fled

Why would they even bother rebuilding? No one with a brain is going to want to move there anyway.

Plus, there will probably still be fires next year too.

[quote]No one with a brain is going to want to move there anyway.

Have you met any Americans?

R568 Thanks for sharing this. I still can't believe there are people here at DL who think this community will be ready both physically and mentally to celebrate the Oscars on March 2. I honestly don't believe they know the seriousness of this situation.

It will be interesting to see how much that area gets rebuilt in the next decade or more.

The area of the terrible Oakland Hills firestorm eventually got back to its former density or at least substantially so.

R574 the only thing stopping it, in my opinion, will be the home insurance situation. If that gets resolved? The Palisades and Altadena will bounce back eventually.

But what about the 2028 SUMMER OLYMPICS?

R575 I'm not R574, but I will say I doubt very much the insurance companies will start issuing checks over the next twelve months. No way. Insurance claims won't be resolved for the next decade or so - wait and hear the horror stores to come from these poor policy holders. And I assure you there won't be substantial pay-outs.

I'm betting a number of insurance companies declare bankruptcy because of this and fold (but will resurrect under a new company under the same leaders of course) just to get out of paying off these claims. Wait and see...

R2 I love Sierra Madre, my aunt and cousins lived there and I spent a whole year there when I was 15-16. Eaton Canyon is also a beautiful area.

I was shocked to see many of those little houses in Sierra Madre Canyon going for a million dollars. They're only cottages. I think this was an inexpensive area to live (near that creek, up there) when I was a kid.

A conspiracy theorist commenter to the article at r568 thinks it was Hamas to target the Jews. Oy vey.

When the Oakland Hills Fire happened everything was rebuilt within a decade.

[bold]Why would they even bother rebuilding? No one with a brain is going to want to move there anyway.

In recent years, Category 4 hurricanes have affected western Florida. One area was particularly vulnerable because it was built on flatlands adjacent to the ocean. The residents had just finished cleaning up after one storm when another one struck.

The insurance company refused to pay adequately. While the adjuster assessed damages at $700,000, the insurance only provided $50,000. Just as Luigi warned, they delayed payment, reduced the amount they paid, and would take the matter to court otherwise.

As a result, many residents declared bankruptcy and left the area.

Why build on a coastal plain so close to the Gulf of Mexico?

But what if there's another fire in the same place?

R580 I read that but it states the fire was brought fully under control in a few days. That's much different than this one.

According to fire experts, forget about eliminating fires, it's like eliminating earthquakes. The problem is embers, so build structures like this and make sure brush is cleared away.

On one of the news shows this morning it was reported that Gov Newsom requested that Trump come out to LA to meet about the fires but Trump said no. This is why President Biden is trying to get so much done within the next week, he knows Trump is horrible and useless.

Houses need to be made out of whatever airplane black boxes are made of.

^^^581 here -- sorry about the bold.

I don't think people would like to live in metal houses.

Cardboard and paper houses are unsustainable in LA.

[quote]I don't think people would like to live in metal houses.

People who live in metal houses get to throw stones, r588.

For r588

Can someone link a new thread please?

Actually, r588, metal houses were a thing. You could order them from Sears Roebuck & Co back in the day.

A friend from HS lived in one

Will the Lustron House come back?

Part 4, linked below.

What this needs is music.

How can people ignore or disbelieve in climate change when every fucking year it gets worse and worse?

Things are getting entirely too serious, we need to laugh.

Well that wasn't the link, Clairee. Are you high?

And scene....