Facebook is getting rid of fact-checkers

There is no reason to use this product

There is no reason to order from Amazon or maintain an account on Twitter

I have an IPhone and I am due for an upgrade. There's no reason for me to continue to use Apple products

Ugh, what a scum bucket

It is a cultural tipping point. We have to be done with Zuckerberg and all the others who brought this about.

There’s this video game called Metal Gear Solid 2. At the end of it you realize you’re being manipulated by an AI created by the American deep state/oligarchy for the purpose of mass control. It explains to you that the plan is to flood networks and media with trivial, irrelevant, junk food style information. This creates a population that can no longer think critically or assess the credibility of information. Then it explains how by monitoring your behavior, their algorithms will know everything about you, and therefore curate your media environment to control your behavior. That only elites have the right to shape how the world is seen and remembered. It talks about how the combination of information control and personal profiling creates total mind control - assuming the AI knows you well enough to accurately predict your reaction to various stimuli. think it was developed in 2001 or 2002. I think about that ending all the time, the evil AI describing not some fictional dystopian future but what is now our present reality.

What does he mean by "cultural tipping point"?

If you can't beat them, join them?

What a fish-faced cunt.

He means stop using his product.

Meta is a joke. I’ve flagged explicit nudity and actual porn to see what would happen, only to get a response that community standards weren’t violated and to just block the content. So what exactly are the community standards, then? I recently deleted my Threads because I thought - no, I’m done with the rage and doom scrolling. Insta and facebook are next. We’re all being manipulated by billionaire tech bros who really don’t give a shit about humanity.

I deleted all Meta accounts last year. I missed them a lot less than I thought I would. Only downside is discovering how a couple of friendships I had depended on those platforms to exist. While it wasn't pleasant to find that out, I'm glad I did rather than in a more nasty or costly way.

[quote]So what exactly are the community standards, then?

Never forget: FB was a project originally invented by an incel to "rate" women who wouldn't have fucked him.

“At one point, Zuckerberg and other attendees stood, hand over heart, as the club played a rendition of the national anthem sung by imprisoned defendants who are accused of crimes related to the Jan. 6, 2021, Capitol riot”

Lord knows Zuck can't afford to pay fact-checkers.

So I guess this was a requirement from the incoming administration in order to dismiss the existing case and "avoid" further scrutiny from a revamped FTC?

Capitulating in advance. I expect nothing less from "men" like Zuck.

They don't need further scrutiny from the FTC. All the FTC has to do is say Meta is in violation of the 30 year consent decree they filed after the Cambridge Analytica scandal and they're shut down.

Not filed, signed. Sorry.

Will he save space for trans women of color to still be seen and heard?

They won’t be using professional fact checkers, having found them to be inherently non-objective. There will still be fact checking by the community.

It’s good to be against authoritarian censorship and to embrace free speech.

No, he'll save space for Adrain Dittman and numerous right wing bots.

[quote] It’s good to be against authoritarian censorship and to embrace free speech.

Are you one of those "free speech absolutists", by any chance? Did you pay for a blue check mark on X? Do your free speech principles apply to criticizing or making fun of Elon Musk and his associates? I think I know the answers to all my questions already...

I’m all for fact checking, but did it make any difference? Deplorables see it as vindication and validation when they are proven wrong.

These Tech giants are like virtual nation states. They make their own rules now. How long till they get their own military but why do that when they can get the taxpayer to pay for their military without having to give anything.It's politicians that have delivered us to them.

Except they are showing their fear of Trump, so how exactly are they making their own rules? Trump is upending a lot of precedents that Democrats can ignore if they regain power.

[quote] I recently deleted my Threads because I thought - no, I’m done with the rage and doom scrolling. Insta and facebook are next.

You can’t delete Threads without deleting your Instagram.

I had much the same experience, R11.

And just as you say, it wasn’t a pleasant discovery but it was an important one.

There’s a kind of hyperbole that develops in social media that can pass for genuine sentiment — and users take that as reality at their peril. Last week on Facebook a guy told me he “loves” me. He doesn’t love me and he meant no harm. He experienced a brief jolt of fellow feeling at reading something I posted and wanted to let me know. And that was absolutely all.

If I needed a real friend in an emergency this particular guy wouldn’t even recognize my face.

Once you step back from those platforms it’s stunning to see how many “friends” are barely even casual acquaintances!

R24 How long? Musk and Thiel are already deeply tied to the military industrial complex.

[quote] What does he mean by "cultural tipping point"?

[quote] If you can't beat them, join them?

This is exactly how I interpreted this statement.

But did Zuckerberg really want to "beat them" in the first place?

Sounds like he was with "them" all along, and Trump's election gave him permission to do it.

Democrats were the only ones standing in the way of regulating social media.

Now that's done.

A lot of people point to Fox News as the sources of all the disinformation, but it's really Facebook. It's the main source of information for many Boomers and GenXers. This is not good.

Kara Swisher:

(Zuckerberg's) video is appalling to impugn fact checkers like that. He could use all the tools if he actually cared and X is now a toxic waste dump. One thing is true: Fact checking does not work on a platform that cannot be sued and has been built to advantage the liars.

I'm rubbing my forehead after watching that video at R33.

I fucking give up.

I just don't know what to do any more.

There's really nothing we CAN do.

Mark Zuckerberg is bending the knee and kissing Trump's ass.

Lies will now go unchecked on Facebook and Instagram. Zuckerberg is following the example of Twitter.

"Community checking" simply means that others can say you're not telling the truth rather than Zuckerberg removing the post because it is a lie.

Zolan Kanno-Youngs reporting on this morning's press rally for The New York Times, January 7, 2025:

[quote]"Trump says Meta's decision to end its fact-checking program is most likely in response to his past threats against the company."

Oy.

[quote] Except they are showing their fear of Trump, so how exactly are they making their own rules?

What the company is saying appears to indicate that it was a fear of the current administration and that associated culture that pushed them to do the censorship they have engaged in. It looks like now they are shifting to where they would like to be if given a choice, so no longer acting out of fear. It makes sense that a social media platform would much prefer not to censor political views, since it would be crippling one of the important uses of such platforms.

They prefer not to censor “political views” like eating the dogs, vaccines cause autism, and ivermectin cures Covid. The reason their fact checking seemed political is simple. Reality has a well-known liberal bias.

“Reality has a well-known liberal bias.”

Preach, gurrrrrrl! Also, got a tampon I can borrow?

First they came for the trans...

Honestly, who cares? If you believe what's on social media without more research on your part, you're an idiot.

This is all because of GOP pressure. It is focused on saying whatever it wants without any checks.

Say their names

My facebook page has just become one where I forward funny memes. I don't include any personal information about what I'm doing or where I'm going.

It's rather worthless entertainment

I’m still unconvinced that this changes much. There are trolls dedicated to attacking Anne Frank who continue to post. It was already bad,

Facebook works best when you really tailor your Friends list to your close friends and relatives, not to everyone you're ever met.

I took a 400 person list and brought to down to my closest 60. Much better experience that way. These are people who truly care about you and your life and you care about them

[quote] Honestly, who cares?

[quote] I’m still unconvinced that this changes much

Yeah, just the US Presidential Election.

No big deal.

Look at how well that's working out for us.

Zuckerberg has always been a DORK.

He is a nerd who wants to be part of the popular crowd.

The only thing he doesn't realize is that he's still being bullied.

And they're probably laughing at him behind his back.

So yeah, he's still a loser.

He'll never be "cool."

[quote]Mark Zuckerberg is bending the knee and kissing Trump's ass.

As is Jeff Bezos:

R26 - sorry, I didn’t delete it, I deactivated it.

I've always nicknamed him Mark SUCKACUNT. Genocides will become a dime-a-dozen just like the one he was indirectly responsible for in Myanmar. What a CUNT.

Factchecking always draws hoots of derision from low-information voters, mainly because it reliably contradicts what they'll most easily and fondly believe. These are the anti-intellectuals who will say, "I have COMMON sense," basically the collective folk wisdom of their neighbors vs. anything academic. They can have Facebook! I have gotten so many bot postings of sad monochrome AI interiors lately, like is Meta buying Rooms 2 Go?

Scum

[quote] Factchecking always draws hoots of derision from low-information voters

The accusers don’t matter so much now that the accused, Facebook, has confessed that the accusations are true.

Such a shame. Zuckerberg died in that autoerotic asphyxiation incident in 2023 for nothing.

R31 Legacy media/news is the main source of news for Boomers (TV/Cable News, Newpapers, etc.)

Weird that a former Peter Thiel "protege" wants to get rid of hate speech protections for LGBT people

[quote][R31] Legacy media/news is the main source of news for Boomers (TV/Cable News, Newpapers, etc.)

Legacy media was pro Harris/Walz this past election.

It was social media that aided Trump/Vance.

Especially the podcasts popular with young men (e.g. Joe Rogan).

Both of them?

brought to down to my closest 60.

This is so sad and one of the reasons we have trump, thanks stupid cunt, go drink bleach

god that sounds like such a campfest r48. In fact, I hope some Drag Queens with way too much time on their hands will put together a parody version for youtube, or somewhere.

A young whore's erotic journey from Minsk to Mar-a-Lago. But who will play Lurch?

From the Greatest Generation to the Chickenshit Generation.

Does anything matter to anyone anymore or are we in complete anarchy and I miss the email.

Fuck facebook. It's stale.

[quote] Facebook is getting rid of fact-checkers

Now WE should get rid of Facebook.

And anything owned by Zuckerberg or Musk or Bezos.

He went from kinda bald to now a flowing wig of someone else’s curly locks. He’s a piece of shit.

"Mark Zuckerberg, whose wig is entirely made up of cadaver pubic hair, has announced that Meta platforms will no longer fact check."

Mark Cuckerberg.

It’s wild that they now updated their policy to explicitly mention that’s now ok to target homosexuals with hate speech.

“We do allow allegations of mental illness or abnormality when based on gender or sexual orientation, given political and religious discourse about transgenderism and homosexuality.”

Did Fuckerberg take his Chinese wife with him to Mar-a-Lardo?

Asking for a fiend.

[Quote] “We do allow allegations of mental illness or abnormality when based on gender or sexual orientation, given political and religious discourse about transgenderism and homosexuality.”

Is that truly an official statement? Holy shit.

“Political and religious discourse” means FB is fine with bullying and demonizing.

Yes, r70. Here's the screenshot.

So will Facebook allow anti-Semitic speech?

THAT is the tell of whether it is truly allowing all speech or not

Think I’m going to move to mastodon

Fuck that aspie psycho!

Who reads Facebook for news? If you're dumb enough to do that, than we have a bigger problem than this wannabe oligarch wagging his tiny dick. It's not only bending the knee, but there is a race by our American Oligarchs to have their platform be THE ONE so they will suck off any dictator's dick to get there.

I hate to break it to you, but people are too busy to care about fact checking and detecting bias. Dubya and Trump proved this.

[quote] Who reads Facebook for news?

That’s a good question. I get zero news from Facebook, other than announcements from organizations that I have connected to and people posting in the local group about local things. When I read about news and fact checking on Facebook, it makes me think I must be having a very different experience from what others experience. I don’t see any national news and no one on my friends list post any.

The posts I see that are not from people and organizations I’ve linked to are primarily about cruises, history, and architecture.

God I wish George Carlin was still alive. He knew how to speak to this. When he said that we are not governed, but owned by the ruling class, he was right on the money. They want obedient workers just smart enough to be productive but not too smart to realize we are getting fucked over. Meanwhile we get distracted with shiny objects. All true!

Zzzzzz, wake me when they do away with facts and transition to Newspeak.

My Facebook has been acting weird for many months/years now. Lot of adds/junk and very random shit. Occasionally see posts from actual friends even if we interact regularly. Some friends are promoting other sites but I do not trust any platforms, including this site. Manipulation is real and AI is just getting started. Very scary

The big social media platforms are made for stupid people with short attention spans and exist solely to harvest your personal data while shoving ads down your throat. I’ve ditched all of them years ago.

HOW TO DELETE YOUR FACEBOOK ACCOUNT

This is all about corruption. A FREE FOR ALL PAY TO PLAY. And i curse the idiot American people who are okay with this.

I have 27 groups of Facebook, and over 2,000,000 members in them. I can see that it may all come to an end in about 30 days.

R85 is reducing yourself to an echo chamber really the answer?

I mean, being out of touch with average Americans is what cost Democrats the election.

R86 - Echo chamber? These are not groups about my thoughts & feelings, or anyone else’s. So no one is echoing each other’s feelings or opinions.

Meta also taking the occasion of Trump's ascendance to:

• Cut DEI team

• End equity and inclusion programs

• End representation goals

• End the "Diverse Slate Approach" to hiring

r88, to be fair, without the fear of repercussions from the Biden administration, other companies are also shedding their problematic DE&I programs. Companies are going to be doing what they want to do instead of what the Biden administration wanted because they believe that Trump won't get in their way.

There's nothing "problematic" about DEI programs. Some people still long for the days when white men ran everything, so they think DEI programs are bad. Most businesses know better.

DEI programs are really only about exposing people of all types to various professional opportunities. No one gets a leg up--just exposure.

These is no problem with any of these programs except when white people feel minorities are getting special treatment. White people will not give up their supremacy

If DE&I programs weren’t problematic, there wouldn’t be a problem. My company’s program is not problematic. It teaches employees to be nice to everyone and to be mindful of what you say and do regarding how it could affect others. That’s it. That’s what every company should scale back to.

The policy change discussed at r70 is now producing these stories on Internet news:

[quote] Mashable: Meta now lets users call women 'property' and gay people 'mentally ill'

[quote] Them: “Trans People Are Freaks.” Meta Leaks Reveal Specific Anti-LGBTQ+ Content the Company Now Allows

[quote] NBCNews: Meta's new hate speech guidelines permit users to say LGBTQ people are mentally ill

[quote]There's nothing "problematic" about DEI programs. Some people still long for the days when white men ran everything, so they think DEI programs are bad. Most businesses know better.

Exactly. They want a 1965 America in 2025 and no matter what they do or who they vote for, the country isn't going back.

[quote]DEI programs are really only about exposing people of all types to various professional opportunities.

There's more to it than this. Smart businesses know they gain from having people with different perspectives and backgrounds and histories - they get ideas on how other people or places do things more efficiently, they learn how to market products or services to a lot of different audiences so they can expand their customer base, they learn how to avoid cultural gaffes in their marketing, they start to realize how men and women often react to things differently, etc. etc.

The DEI initiatives seemed false, but I don’t know what it will be like to reverse them. In 2020, the CEO of my then employer - a man who had been active in pre-Trump Republican politics - talked endlessly about equity and diversity. While it was a lot of show and tell, recruiters were saying that young applicants were making decisions based on a company’s commitment to inclusion.

So, are those people just going to evaporate? Did they stop caring? Maybe we are going to see a shift from the 70s to the 80s, but I personally don’t see MAGA as that popular.

[Quote] If DE&I programs weren’t problematic, there wouldn’t be a problem.

They’re not problematic. White people only think they are because it’s giving minorities opportunities that used to only be for white people.

I deleted my account last night. We’ll see if I stick with it.

The fact is, legacy media, which has been the left's propaganda machine for 60 years or so, is dying.

And social media became the right's secret weapon this past election.

In fact, while liberals were hogging legacy media during the late 20th/early 21st centuries, conservatives perfected the art of social media the past two decades.

And here we are now.

Thus, Democrats are pissed that they can't control the narrative anymore.

They want to be allowed to insult and demean the opposition as much as possible, but they don't want conservatives to have a voice.

R70 & R93 all it means is that people will be able to speak their minds again. It's really no different from Democrats saying "Christians are freaks and mentally ill and deserve to die in a grease fire!"

^ Fiction. Anyone who lived through the Bush or Obama Administration knows better.

Legacy television media was never "left propaganda." On the contrary, from the 1980s until Disney got involved, it was entirely owned by right-wingers.

Some newspapers had a liberal lean, but very few and those had graduated to conservative owners too, like when Katherine Graham died.

Indeed, establishing a conservative media monopoly was job one for Republicans in the 1980s. Organized vote fraud was job 2 in the 1990s And corrupting the internet has been Job 150 in the 2020s

99 percent of attacks on free speech come from the right, wwhere they have always come from.

If the legacy media "seemed" to have a liberal bias, it was because it was more factual and less adolescent fantasy and groupthink that conservative media is and has always been. Remember all American conservatism begins with lies about history.

R99 in short, liberals will need to grow a thicker skin.

You see it here on DL. People who think leftists have spread information don't try to correct it by showing true informattion. They try F&F anyone mentioning it, whereas the liberal response to conservative disinformation has always been more information. Conservatives will cheat and lie every chance they get because winning is their ONLY goal and we are the enemy, not China or Saudi Arabia or Russia or Mexico or Canada.