Do you think the Vegas car explosion was a domestic terror attack

Uh...I think it's been well established it wasn't an accident.

Looks the guy planned to off himself, then have his metal refrigerator explode in front of a Trump building as some kind of "statement."

Did the perp accidentally shoot himself in the head, too?

My hypothesis is this guy had a meltdown when he realized he built a career to serve under Trump/Musk, felt he wasted his life, and chose to commit suicide spectacularly. He also may know more than we do given his security clearance.

Yes, R2. He blew his brains out prior to the vehicle exploding.

If you don’t want to pay attention to the news, don’t ask everyone else to indulge your ignorance.

He doesn't fit the pattern. He was happy and had plans for the future.

Explosions can cause bullets in guns to go off, killing people.

He's kinda cute

R6 Oh, my God. Seriously?

Cut the crap - it was a domestic terror attack by a Trump obsessed MAGA cult member who thought he was sending a message.

Because of the H1B stuff?

R10 We'll never know for sure.

Twitler set it up, just like the feigned “assassination” attempt.

Stealth MAGAT thread.

I don’t think it was a terror attack in the sense that he had a message. People who die to deliver messages usually make some effort to convey the message. This is just a glorified suicide.

Well... Orange Jesus did say he employed a lot of *those* types of people at his properties, didn't he? And this was the Trump property closest to this guy's house.

Yeah, after the last staged assassination attempts (haven't heard anything about the guy hiding near the golf course, Squeaky Fromme got more attention than that guy..) I thought this was clearly staged. It was too on the nose with the Cybertruck making a cameo. The NOLA attack definitely overshadowed it but I wonder if they weren't somehow related. I wonder if either enlisted men had a connection to The Manchurian Mike Flynn.

You think MAGAs are driven to suicide by hypocrisy from Trump? The hypocrisy is well known. They don’t care.

R16–Obviously, the suicide was staged in the sense that the guy planned something dramatic. Not sure what else you have in mind by the word “staged.” There is a body and a trail of evidence. It’s on videotape.

I wonder if he got full vehicle coverage or just liability?

What sayeth Momma's Mussy on the Tesla bomber?

My guess is it had something to do with Afghanistan.

He served there and while he was deployed became close to the people. He was active in getting needed stuff to locals, and helped an interpreter establish himself in the USA.

Let’s not forget it wasn’t Biden who agreed to pull out of Afghanistan, leaving it to the Taliban, it was Trump. Trump made it abundantly clear he didn’t give a fuck about the Afghan people.

Biden’s shambolic pullout didn’t help the people there, but imo it would have been at least as bad, and probably even worse, if Trump had won in 2020 and then did the pullout himself.

I think his suicide and the destruction of THAT car in front of THAT building was a message from him to the doofus who betrayed the people we had pledged to protect, and to doofus the second.

He seemed like a decent man and note he did it at a time no one else would be hurt. I can easily see someone spending years trying to make lives better, only to see some fat fingered plutocrat come along and doom them all — he might want to send a message.

What is the point of a flamboyant suicide designed to deliver a message without actually delivering the message? It’s not “about” anything beyond “look at me!”

This guy looks like he’s a couple crayons short.

[quote]He was happy and had plans for the future.

No. The Daily Mail says his wife had just had a child and then left him. He apparently had major rage issues and was an abuser. I don't normally trust the Daily Mail but this sounds likely to me.

Oh. Another terrorist ends up having been a domestic abuser as well? So not shocked.

It's like a prerequisite for these stains.

R21 LOL! Hortense, you're hilarious!

Your li'l car bomber was yet another home grown, born and bred in the U.S.A., Trump supporting terrorist.

God fucking forbid OP read a newspaper. DUMBASS

According to the FBI, he shot himself 17 seconds before the explosion. The truck was a rental from a private individual. His girlfriend or wife dumped him a few days before he decided to off himself spectacularly. Jabbar had a failed business and three broken marriages. These super macho men, Jabbar and Livelsberger, seem like emotional babies. No resilience. I wonder if this is some manifestation of PTSD from Afghanistan.

He killed himself, knowing the shot would set off the fiery explosion, at the altar of his god Trump.

Someone described it as his wish for "a Viking funeral," and that makes the most sense to me.

I was thinking he might have flipped after the H1B meltdowns.

[quote] He killed himself, knowing the shot would set off the fiery explosion, at the altar of his god Trump.

It’s all for you, Damian!

R21 did you watch the video of the explosion? Did you see the poor guy to the right, with the rolling suitcase, blown off his feet and flipped backwards from the blast? Or the three-four people at the doors of the building?

There were at least a half dozen visible people around. If that shitbox hadn't blocked his homemade bomb(s) all of them plus who knows how many more would have died.

He was a cowardly p.o.s.

The photos of the burning butt-ugly musk machine next to the trump name over the door are classic.

Trumpster fire, sign of things to come.

R21 I love how Hortense, so utterly beside herself that yet again she can't blame this terrorist attack on illegal immigrants, scrambles to try and blame it on Biden, conveniently forgetting one important fact about the Afghanistan troop withdrawal.

Womp womp, Hortense.

Better luck next time.

Terrible teeth. No big loss.

Who is Hortense?

R36 A MAGA cunt who comes to virtually every thread, regardless of topic, to try and get attention for herself by bashing Biden, Harris, and Democrats in general while praising that orange shit pile Trump.

If he HAD some sort of message, he should’ve written it down or video recorded it or podcasted it or something for us dummies who don’t have a clue.

This seemed completely pointless, aside from most of us just nodding at the visual and saying, “yep. Pretty much”

There is more than one MAGA around here.

Oh, we know. We can handle all of you.

R39 Yes, but there's only one Hortense. It's easy to find her posts and see that she posts on virtually every thread.

She's been particularly active since the New Orleans truck attack and the Vegas car explosion, because right out of the gate, she was blaming illegal immigrants. Then when the facts came out, she doubled down on went hard to deflect from the fact that these had nothing to do with the MAGAts' favorite villains.

"... was a domestic terror attack by a Trump obsessed MAGA cult member who thought he was sending a message"

Makes no sense at all. He would be celebrating Trump's win in Vegas, then- not taking out masses of innocent people with a car bomb.

Musk has paid the family, ex-girlfriend, etc. off to say he had depression and PTSD.

R42 It's cute how you assume MAGA cult members are sensible or make sound, rational decisions.

That guy you go to have beers with and the night ends with you opening the car door and rolling into a ditch.

[Quote] [R21] LOL! Hortense, you're hilarious!

Hi Defacto at r26! How’s this new cosplay coming along? Is it making the weekends less unbearable?

R45 Hortense is so woefully misinformed.

Not surprising, though, since she's a fucking dumb cunt MAGAt.

:-)

[Quote] Who is Hortense?

The Hortense caller is Matt in Pittsburgh, who used to call himself Defacto, and then cosplayed black people for a while, teacake etc.

He gets IDed as Defacto when he posts rightwing drivel here. He’s tired of it and will angrily reply “you’re deluded, that Defacto person has posted here in YEARS!!!”

So he’s created a new cosplay as a horses ass of a progressive who calls anyone he dislikes “Hortense” — it’s his way of ridiculing people who call him Defacto.

You’re probably thinking, “how deranged.” Yes. It shows what a tiny world he has.

R47 Hoo boy, are you off base!

It doesn't matter what the facts are. Confusing the situation is part of whatever these bad actors' MO is, which we'll never be able to confirm. The only thing that will stop all this crap is blocking VPNs and preventing people from creating multiple accounts.

Livelsberger, an active member of the Army’s elite Special Forces, left behind two notes in a charred cellphone recovered inside the singed Tesla he rented that suggest his motive for detonating explosives as he “simultaneously” shot himself in front of the Trump International Hotel Wednesday, Las Vegas police said.

“This was not a terrorist attack, it was a wake up call. Americans only pay attention to spectacles and violence. What better way to get my point across than a stunt with fireworks and explosives,” Livelsberger, 37, wrote in a notes app.

Murdoch NY Post links give clickdollars and SEO to people who love Trump and hate gays.

Non-Murdoch link (they don't own Sky UK).

R50 So...what was his point?

Of course it was domestic terror. He was radicalized by the republican party, a known criminal organization. It couldn't be any more obvious what it was.

Akin to the "January 6 patriots" who stormed the Capitol, he should be called the "Las Vegas patriot."

[Quote] Murdoch NY Post links give clickdollars and SEO to people who love Trump and hate gays.

thanks Pete Repete

Your annoyance is like a spoonful of caviar on a freshly-made blini, r56. You know exactly what you're doing.

Stacie Wilssens, who was neighbors with Livelsberger and his now-ex-wife, Sara, in Colorado Springs, recalled the highly decorated Army member as “bizarre and unhealthy” after she started to get to know him around 2012.

R58 What a shock that a MAGA cultist would be bizarre and unhealthy.

This thread has enshittified. 🚫

[Quote] This thread has enshittified. 🚫

not unlike your life💩💩💩

So, what are we supposed to “wake up” to? Any clue on that?

If you’re going to spectacularly off yourself, at least be clear in your last words.

Wake up to coffee? Chinese drones? Surprise anal?

What? We need to know.

I don’t believe their supposedly official response. He wanted to be understood but didn’t leave any exact statement ? Blows up a rented Tesla and drove to another state to blow it/himself up in front of a building owned by a man he supposedly supports? And has this rented statement truck carry a load of explosives? Why the explosives? It looks like what it is. He TURNED on Dump. Maybe THAT is what he’s telling us. That’s all I see.

Trump & Co. kidnapped a 'troubled' soldier, shot him in the head, placed body in a Tesla and blew it up in front of a Trump-adjacent hotel. Just Musk and Trump trying to play victimized and get lots of sympathy.

This is the third time he's done this now.

Isn't Colorado Springs a hotbed of right wing nutcases?

OP How would someone's suicide be considered a terrorist attack?

R65 The Air Force Academy is there, and it's home to a lot of fucked up veterans. So, yes.

[Quote] [R47] Hoo boy, are you off base!

And there’s the confirmation right there. 🤷🏻‍♂️

R68 Yeah, that seals the deal.

LOL!

How’s the weekend so far, balloon snout at r69? Unbearable as usual?

Taking picture of picturesque rust belt decay, all by yourself as usual?

R70 Somebody's havin' a melt down.

Clear the DL, everybody! She's gonna blow!

R65, r67, isn't also the headquarters for some big Christian right wing church group?

R72 Yes, it's the headquarters for the Christian and Missionary Alliance.

[Quote] Blows up a rented Tesla and drove to another state to blow it/himself up in front of a building owned by a man he supposedly supports? And has this rented statement truck carry a load of explosives? Why the explosives? It looks like what it is. He TURNED on Dump. Maybe THAT is what he’s telling us. That’s all I see.

Blowing it up at a at a Red Roof Inn would not nearly get as much attention as blowing it up in front of a Trump building. That's how it became national news

OP you sweet summer child. Sunce the Vegas thing was committed by a white man, who was also a decorated veteran and a "patriot", it by definition could not be terrorism, but was a product of mental illness. NOLA was the act of a Muslim Arab so obviously it was ipso facto terrorism. See how simple?

R75 you failed to point out that no one other than Livelsberger was endangered or targeted. Unlike the 14 people killed in New Orleans.

The New Orleans perp was NOT a “Muslim Arab.” 🙄 Lol

[Quote] [R70] Somebody's havin' a melt down.

Right out of the rightwing troll playbook, Defacto. I’m sorry about your weekend terror, but you need to find somewhere else to deal with it.

The media is whitewashing his lunatic manifesto. If he were a leftist radical, we’d all know it.

R66, Don't ask us!

Because innocent victims of Murderer Musk (which is what he is) always park against the entry of Trump's shit hotels.

[quote]If you’re going to spectacularly off yourself, at least be clear in your last words.

Yeah, he went to all that trouble and didn't even leave a manifesto.

(Or if he did, they're not telling us.)

R82, Please see r79.

By making excuses or lionizing this loser, MAGA is just encouraging more mentally ill dipshits to off themselves. Which is fine as long as they don't hurt anyone else when they decide they also want to go out with a bang and be known as a "Trump loving patriot".

Neither - a confused MAGA - pro-Trump, pro-Elon, pro-RFK Jr

From TPM

But at least for the moment there is a pretty striking lack of attention to the political motives he expressed in at least two documents or what I guess we might call minifestos that investigators found on his iPhone.

Those documents denounce Democrats and demand they be “culled” from Washington, by violence if necessary, and express the hope that his own death will serve as a kind of bell clap for a national rebirth of masculinity under the leadership of Donald Trump, Elon Musk and Bobby Kennedy Jr.

Did you miss that stuff?

Yeah, me too!

Most headlines I’d seen in the news report only that he warned of national decline and bore “no ill will toward Mr. Trump,” in the words of one of the investigators. That gloss on Donald Trump is, shall we say, a bit of an understatement, as you can see in these excerpts.

[quote] Military and vets move on DC starting now. Militias facilitate and augment this activity. Occupy every major road along fed buildings and the campus of fed buildings by the hundreds of thousands. Lock the highways around down with semis right after everybody gets in. Hold until the purge is complete. Try peaceful means first, but be prepared to fight to get the Dems out of the fed government and military by any means necessary. They all must go and a hard reset must occur for our country to avoid collapse.

[quote] We must end the war in Ukraine with negotiated settlement. It is the only way. Focus on strength and winning. Masculinity is good and men must be leaders. Strength is a deterrent and fear is the product.

[quote] Stop obsessing over diversity. We are all diverse and DEI is a cancer. Thankfully we rejected the DEI candidate and will have a real President instead of Weekend at Bernie’s.

[quote] Consider this last sunset of ‘24 and my actions the end of our sickness and a new chapter of health for our people. Rally around the Trump, Musk, Kennedy, and ride this wave to the highest hegemony for all Americans! We are second to no one.

I shared the whole here.

^ He sounds like a Joe Rogan douchebro combined with Alex Jones.

Anything can be forged. Anyone can be paid off.

Trump is a lifelong con artist. He paid off a porn star for her silence about their affair. He stole from his own charity. He cheats on his wives and on his taxes. Why does anyone think he's reformed?

Killary

[QUOTE]you failed to point out that no one other than Livelsberger was endangered or targeted.

Must be why seven people were injured and why he passed the building earlier in the morning but decided to wait until there were more people around to witness his act.

MAGA

too bad he didn't get the help he needed

R19 So many sad stories of people radicalized into the dangerous, hateful MAGA cult. It never ends well for them.

Sorry, just because you're mentally ill doesn't make it okay to embrace a monster.

"In another, he said that “masculinity is good and men must be leaders,” adding that people should rally around Mr. Trump and Elon Musk, Tesla’s chief executive and a top donor to the Trump campaign."

"In notes recovered by investigators from one of his phones and made public on Friday, the soldier, Master Sgt. Matthew Alan Livelsberger, praised President-elect Donald J. Trump and wrote that “our soldiers are done fighting wars without end states or clear objectives.”

So straight from the Trump propaganda machine... Ukraine will be annexed to Rusher on Day 1.

What a fucking loser.

No wonder his wives left him. He sounds like an insufferable prick.

Good riddance.