45 year Vegan Shares Stage 3 Lung Cancer Diagnosis

[quote]This really goes to show you that you can think you do everything right,

Extreme diets are not "doing everything right."

Homo Sapiens are omnivores. As a matter of fact, the jump from the Australopithecus to Homo is believed to have been a direct result of meating being introduced regularly into the diet.

Eating heathfully is good. Removing highly processed food is good. But, don't confuse an extreme diet with being healthy.

She must lie. A LOT.

She did wrong by not eating meat.

She’s not 45, she’s 65. Does that look like a 45 year-old to you?

I’m so over health fads - it’s a real display of general narcissism. There are no secret tricks. Eat a diet rich in various micronutrients, observe a reasonable calorie restriction, move your body, get good sleep, get sunlight. That’s about it. Carbs are fine sugar (from real sources like fruit) are fine meat is fine dairy is fine it’s all common sense.

There are no guarantees when it comes to health, it really is a crapshoot; however, you want to stack the odds in your favor as much as possible.

If I ever find out I have terminal cancer, I am eating whatever the fuck I want all day every day I have left. Fuck it.

R4 She is like 65, she’s been vegan about 45 years since college.

OP, of course you will see outliers in every area of life. An isolated case of cancer in a longtime vegan doesn't mean much, statistically speaking. Vegans who focus on whole and nutrient-dense foods do fare much better in the aggregate with their health. Who knows what happened with this gal. Maybe she spent a lot of time around secondhand smoke when young.

Always better to avoid eating animals (who suffer because of our consumption of them) and crap food. R6 said it best, I think. It's about putting the odds in your favor. Also feeling better day to day. 🙏

According to Maher it doesn’t matter what you eat because there are a bunch of microplastics in all our food.

We’re doomed because of late stage capitalism.

So I just skimmed through the article real quick and this is like the 5th paragraph:

Jaye has followed a plant-based lifestyle for 47 years. She is a well-known advocate for unprocessed, whole foods-based plant-based recipes, and lost a significant amount of weight by following a healthy plant-based diet.

How the fuck can someone live a lifestyle longer than they been mafuckin alive.

R10, capitalism has increased food production and food availability around the globe. Socialism created mass deaths from famines and empty shelves.

R12 I never said that wasn’t true. But we are not going to get plastics out of our food because prices would have to increase for the companies to do the environmental stuff.

R11. Can you read? She’s not 45

R14 I thought the OP wrote 45 yrs old in the thread headline. Apologies.

R13, I just found your linking plastics in food and late stage capitalism peculiar.

No matter how “right” we live, we’re all subject to the vagaries of a mutant gene.

And the vagaries of simply being carbon-based life forms existing in this universe we can't comprehend for reasons we don't know, R17.

[quote]a direct result of meating being introduced regularly into the diet.

Meating in the ladies' room?

[quote]Jaye has followed a plant-based lifestyle for 47 years.

It's no surprise that it eventually catches up with you.

I have several vegan friends, they're much healthier than my non-vegan friends -- except for the two who are taking it an extreme. One is a raw and gluten free vegan; she barely seems to eat. The other is so weird about veganism she won't even eat a fig because a wasp dies in the fig's life cycle.

There's more than enough proof that a vegan diet is very healthy -- but only if it's done correctly. Eating potato chips and drinking diet coke is vegan. And not nutritious.

Read Dr. Greger's How Not to Die. Or anything by Dr. Caldwell Esselstyn or Dr. Joel Fuhrman.

But yes, I know, the fat whores of Datalounge will never stop eating their steak and chicken and ice cream. Whatever.

I at my wife's pussy and all I got was off...

And throat cancer!

Only Jesus decides how long you will live, the day you will die and if you go to heaven or not.

I bet she didn't eat enough potatoes.

R21 by that same token, one could argue that it's not veganism that keeps a person healthy, but eating healthy.

A person could live just as healthily on a diet that includes animal products provided they are eating balanced nutritious things, and not just fried chicken and milkshakes.

No way she is 45.

OP- There are people who can eat RAT poison every day and live till 110. There is another group of people who are the complete opposite. They can eat the most healthful vegan, organic, non GMO diet, exercise etc and still die from Cancer at 40. The VAST majority of people fall into neither of those extremes. Most people can extend their lives significantly by eating mostly plant foods, exercising, no booze or drugs etc. Not till 110 year old but perhaps into their 90's.

R27 is right. It really is like a shitty Wheel of Fortune. Some people can smoke a pack of cigarettes a day starting at 12 years old and live to be 100. Others can never smoke a single cigarette in their life and die of lung cancer before they hit 50. If cancer wants you, it's going to get you and there isn't much you can do so you may as well just do what you want. Eat whatever tastes good. You only get a short time on this Earth, you may as well please your senses while you're here.

R24 Funny thing is, while she makes them her way, she always advocates eating your potatoes.

R27 is pretty accurate. So I'll repeat it. There are indeed a number of people who have a gene (or multiple genetic structure) sometimes called the immortality gene. These people are about 5-10% of the population, and they can do anything they want, eat, drink, no exercise, etc -- and they can live to be 100. We've all known that guy/grandfather/uncle/etc who never did anything healthy and lived forever. And, there's an equal number of people who have the opposite genetic disposition-- no matter what they do, they're pretty doomed.

But for the vast majority of us, a plant-based diet, exercise, and no booze or drugs etc will be enough to stack the odds in favor of a long life.

The funny thing is, all the research is out there, and has been for a long time. But people just don't want to give up their meat, their drink, their couch potato life.

[quote]But for the vast majority of us, a plant-based diet, exercise, and no booze or drugs etc will be enough to stack the odds in favor of a long life.

Correlation is not causation.

R31, thanks, buddy; we all know the difference between correlation and causation. Are you suggesting that we abandon healthy habits because they are merely correlated with lower disease incidence? What is your larger point here?

Vegan diets are unnatural. Your body requires a great amount of salts. Your brain also requires fat to function.

R33, I'm not a vegan but just a point of fact, there are excellent sources of good fat on a vegan diet, like EVOO and avocados. I think the real culprit is processed foods which which all have huge amounts of salt, sugar and chemicals.

There is a certain joy that comes with eating nutritious food, exercising, and just taking care of your body, mind and soul.

R30 it's because good food and wine is one of life's pleasures. You only once and it's about quality, not how long.

That really is some shit luck. It can happen.

There are, by now, reams of data on what types of diets seem to promote long term health the best. An abundant presence of vegetables is always good. Beyond that it’s less clear if the total vegans are healthier than the low-meat, high-veg eaters who do “vegetarian-leaning” in moderation.

R36, when Michael Kinsley, a leading political columnist & editor, was diagnosed in his 30s with Parkinson’s, he took note of the then-popular bumper sticker that read, “He Who Dies with the Most Toys Wins” and asked what good are the toys if you’re dead? “He Who Dies Last” - he is the one who wins.

R38 I used to think that until I spent some time with a depressed 98yo woman in poor health requiring 24/7 nursing home care. “I can’t do much of anything anymore, and all my friends are dead.”

Give me 80+ good active years and then a sudden aneurysm like my Dad!

The mistake we make is thinking we’ll never die. Fifty years from now when I’m dead and no one knows who I was, it won’t matter if I was vegan or not.

I want to die peacefully in a deep slumber like my father, not screaming in terror like his passengers.

Classic, R41. Fortunately my dad’s death at age 86 was just an extremely loud thump on the living room rug. Mom scampered in and found him.

lots of people who don't smoke get lung cancer...

Also maybe it's genetic? who knows?

where does she live? industrial area?

I have no clue what’s in store for me. One grandpa dropped dead in his early 60’s. The other lived into his mid 90’s. My dad died at 71, my mom is still ok at 76.

He who lives the healthiest the longest wins.

You know what’s not fine, R5? The lack of commas in your last sentence. Use proper punctuation, it’s common sense.

If some of these people eat meat it's always a very small amount on the side:

Today, a community of about 9,000 Adventists in the Loma Linda area are the core of America’s blue zones region. They live as much as a decade longer than the rest of us, and much of their longevity can be attributed to vegetarianism and regular exercise. Plus, Adventists don’t smoke or drink alcohol.

r37, Yeah but It's pretty fucking clear that it's healthier for the pig, an animal so similar to humans that we can transplant their ❤.

The way in which dogs are worshiped in our culture compared to the way that pigs are completely disregarded makes me crazy. The way that ANY public mistreatment of an animal causes outrage but millions are killed in private, because they're delicious AND CHEAP. There is such a thing as ethical meat but instead we have to play make believe, exactly the way we deal with religion. I'm calling bull shit, let's stop being chicken shit and get real for a 1/2 a second. There's no invisible man in the sky and you should think about your bacon as if it were your pet. I didn't say stop eating it but just give a second thought to your snacking habits. FFS Pork rinds? Eat a potato chip. Do you even think about how they skin your snack? Think about how your dog would feel being skinned>

It's UNNECESSARY and cruel. For those to say "it's evolutionary" and "natural" I say, so is murdering your rival's children and indiscriminate rape, totally natural from an evolutionary standpoint. But we try not to do that anymore, don't we?

The veganism must have affected her brain if she thinks she's 45.

Is she really only 45?

Reading comprehension has escaped many in this thread…

R51 That, and the fact that they don't bother to read the comments at all.

She has a lot of Botox for 45.

R33 don’t forget B12.

A diet that will kill its followers unless they take supplements is not healthy or sustainable

DL is now full of deplorables. So many dumb cunts who clearly can’t read.

R48, you raise uncomfortably honest points about the high level sentience of pigs. Cows and goats are not far behind.

That said… I have pet fish, and fish are rather dumb. I do not feel this kind of moral or ethical discomfort in poaching a salmon fillet.

R34- Nuts and seeds contain good fats too.

There should’ve been a hyphen between 45 and year to avoid confusion.

R33 is typical of people who have no concept of nutrition -- or possibly anything else. Why in the world would someone think that salt is not available to vegans? Does salt come only from animal products????

And vegans get plenty of fats from all kinds of sources, from avocado to nuts to dozens of other sources.

Who knows why some people get cancers and others don’t.

One thing I do know is hospital beds aren’t filled up by vegans

R60, not yet.

This article states that “vegans have a greater prevalence of mental health problems”, but it’s important to consider the correlation doesn’t prove that being vegan leads to mental health problems. It could be that people with mental health problems choose to be vegan rather than eating a proper diet that includes meat and other nutritious foods from animals.

I have been vegan for 17 years and have none of the health problems that my parents had at my age (53). I also exercise 6 times a week and stopped drinking 17 years ago. I read the article and it appears that she had tumours years ago but did nothing? That seems really strange. I love being vegan but there are a lot of woo woos in the vegan community who think that veganism can cure disease. It can help prevent certain diseases. But you need to be proactive and trust a good doctor, etc.

R47 what is your point with that? Seventh day adventists are vegetarians, not vegans.

You can be a meat eater and eat animal products and still think meat or animal product consumption should be reduced and the quality raised.

R59 the OP wrote this.

[quote] Her meals are typically vegan and no added salt or oil

Maybe you need more oil in your diet.

Stupid comment, vegans eat fat all the time, vegetable oil stupid, probably a fat stupid frau comment.

[quote]She is like 65, she’s been vegan about 45 years since college.

Oh, so lesbiterian then

OP - Vegan diet is total crap. And Vegans are anything but chill.

Amazing how vegan animals like horses, rhinos, cows, buffalo, get so big and strong.

R62, absolute bullshit, irresponsible article.

As if they know exactly what a “balanced diet” is. That kind of meat eating diet has led to a society with diabetes and hypertension, strokes and heart attacks. Arthritis, and other auto immune disease, kidney stones, cancers, etc. It all goes away with a vegan diet:

There’s no evidence at all that meat should be a standard part of every diet. We eat meat products at every meal. The human body wasn’t made to do that. Even our closest relatives, the chimps and great apes, don’t do that. They are mostly vegan, eating meat very rarely.

R62, that article says “ Low vitamin B12 intake is a significant problem in vegan diets due to the exclusion of vitamin B12-rich foods such as meat, poultry, and eggs.”

Meats aren’t B12 rich. B12 is produced by bacteria and it’s sprayed on meats. Meat doesn’t naturally create it

The problem is, once someone has a disease, while veganism may help it, it may not cure it.

This woman had tumors previously but did nothing. Steve Jobs hoped veganism could cure his cancer but it didn’t.

One thing to keep in mind if you are ever diagnosed with cancer. Eliminate sugars and simple carbohydrates from your diet. This includes fruits. Glucose is what cancers need to live and grow. But do follow your doctors advice on treating the cancer. This woman apparently had tumors but decided to go the homeopathic way to treat them.

Stupid r73 go eat some glass stupid so you will die and stop spreading stupid probably fucking frau myths, cuntTwat

I have also heard that R73 but I am not sure of the validity or studies on that theory. Is there any documented evidence?

I hope r73 gets pancreatic cancer and dies very very slowly and painfully, along with any children it has

^Well aren't you just the sweetest thing since Mema's pecan pie?

[quote] Stupid comment, vegans eat fat all the time, vegetable oil stupid, probably a fat stupid frau comment.

Down those canola trans fats, vegan!

[quote] That kind of meat eating diet has led to a society with diabetes and hypertension, strokes and heart attacks. Arthritis, and other auto immune disease, kidney stones, cancers, etc. It all goes away with a vegan diet.

Kidney stones are caused by oxalic acid. Ya know, the stuff prevalent in uncooked leafy greens. Liam Hemsworth quit being vegan because he was regularly passing kidney stones thanks to putting spinach in shakes.

It's almost impossible to believe that R73 could post something so pathetically stupid...

Then again, this is DL, where the lower your IQ, the smarter you think you are.

[quote] Kidney stones are caused by oxalic acid. Ya know, the stuff prevalent in uncooked leafy greens. Liam Hemsworth quit being vegan because he was regularly passing kidney stones thanks to putting spinach in shakes.

just having oxalic acid alone in your diet won't cause kidney stones. It's that combined with meat proteins. When one is a vegan, almost all the urine testing for what causes kidney stones will be normal. Meat eaters will have all sorts of issues with their urine tests.

Liam H didn't have to quit being a vegan. Why didn't he just stop putting spinach in his shakes? Doesn't seem particularly smart

Don't know if R73 is right, but one thing I know. Something we have been doing for a long long time, caused the cancer. Once must make drastic changes to stop the cancer and prevent others from going.

Cancer doesn't just come out of nowhere and many are linked to meaty diets, cigarettes, and/or alcohol. It boggles the mind when doctors treat you and then say, just keep doing what you were doing before. And guess what, the cancer re-appeared.

Cancer is insidious and unpredictable.

I've spent my adult life eating right, exercising, and avoiding overindulging. My brother probably hasn't eaten a vegetable since he was 17 and is morbidly obese.

Can you guess which one of us is dealing with a cancer diagnosis right now?

Liam Hemsworth increased meat proteins and the kidney stones went away.

Funny that.

Vegan propaganda is hilarious. It’s worse that Scientology.

R84, until it comes back...

My kidney stones were 20 years apart. I became a vegan right after the first one and all my urine (and blood) tests completely normalized. 20 years later, my diet drifted a bit, with more milk products and cheese, and bam! got another kidney stone.

Reading up about Liam Hemsworth, his amount of spinach eating was way over the top--5 handfuls every morning. And then he suddenly decided his vegan diet was the problem. No, his eating 5 handfuls of spinach was the problem. It's his eating less spinach that helped his kidneys, not his eating of meat.

R77 now why don't you jump up my ass and fight for air, hunny and bless your little heart too!

[quote] Maybe you need more oil in your diet.

You better believe it.

R23, cram it, Churchy.

I lost one of my closest friends to lung cancer earlier this year. Never smoked. Parents never smoked. Disease is not a punishment.

45??

Actually 65

[quote] I lost one of my closest friends to lung cancer earlier this year. Never smoked. Parents never smoked. Disease is not a punishment.

There is a miniscule number of people who die of lung cancer but were never regularly exposed to smoke. Sorry to hear about your friend.

Radon gas exposure is the most common cause of lung cancer in nonsmokers.

Per usual on DL, the blanket statements are infuriating and ignorant with the “this is how it is for everyone and that is that” mentality. It is the same on the Ozempic threads. And how the fuck did R23 end up on DL?!

R4 - "Jaye has followed a plant-based lifestyle for 47 years." So yeah - she's probably 65 or even closer to 70.

[quote] plant-based lifestyle

This falls squarely under the heading of people who think they know better than the average person.

R97, EVERY nutrition study concludes with "eat more vegetables." This is code for "also eat less meat."

They don't just think they know better; they are following what every nutrition study says.

Meat is just a concentrated version of protein originally derived from plants - via an animal that eats and processes them.

Almost all of our medicines are derived from plants - and has been for thousands of years. If you're hurt, no doctor has ever proscribed throwing a piece of meat on to the wound.

That being said, I believe there is still some room for animal-based proteins in our diet. Just a LOT less than what we're eating today.

It’s all just a genetic lottery.

Chef A J was based in Los Angeles for decades. I have read that breathing the air in LA is equivalent to smoking a pack a day. She has lung cancer. Is there possible causation there? She's also 65. Eventually, you are going to die of something.

[quote] EVERY nutrition study concludes with "eat more vegetables." This is code for "also eat less meat."

It’s not an explicit statement or code to tell people to become vegetarian or vegan. Definitely have some vegetables with your steak or pork chop.

JFC with the idiots who are still discussing her age. Read the fucking thread and/or the article, you muppets.

R100 Agree, Dutchie. In the simplest terms, cancer is just molecular changes.

R93 It’s not minuscule. “In the United States, about 10% to 20% of lung cancers, or 20,000 to 40,000 lung cancers each year, happen in people who never smoked or smoked fewer than 100 cigarettes in their lifetime.”

R93 It’s not minuscule, and it’s on the rise.

Sorry for the double post.

Im guessing air pollutants are at fault for the lung cancer rate increases.

Some of you misunderstood my above post. I did not say that sugars and carbs cause cancer. That is due to a variety of factors such as environmental toxins, exposure to endocrine disruptors , excessive inflammation and a suppressed immune system. Everybody has cancers cells in their body but they are usually held in check and/or eliminated by the body's ecosystem. However should you develop a tumor, the cancer will have a hard time surviving or growing if there is little to no glucose, since unlike normal cells, cancer cells feed on glucose. A cancer patient stands a much better chance of beating cancer if they avoid sugars and carbs, which is the opposite of what a athlete needs to grow muscle and strength and stamina.

And R105, the non-smokers who develop lung cancer are predominantly women.

[quote] Chef A J was based in Los Angeles for decades. I have read that breathing the air in LA is equivalent to smoking a pack a day. She has lung cancer. Is there possible causation there? She's also 65. Eventually, you are going to die of something.

Then everyone in LA be dying of lung cancer...but they're not.

[quote]Then everyone in LA be dying of lung cancer...but they're not.

Not everyone who is exposed to cancer-causing substances develops cancer.

[quote] Then everyone in LA be dying of lung cancer...but they're not

The utter stupidity.

R109 Is the DL doctor du jour, that is so wrong and I hope you get cancer, did you even read the cancer society notice? Retarded straight cunts say stupid things.