Is morphine used to euthanize people at the end of life?

King George V was killed this way. I don't feel right calling it euthanasia since I don't think he was in on it.

I think people speak about it. But Hospice workers will never admit to it, even though they recognize what they are doing. (There are still laws against euthanizing people in most parts of the US.). It's widely known that morphine, in the right quantity, slows down the respiratory system - often to the point where life cannot be sustained. The scientific term for this is respiratory depression. Morphine makes breathing shallower and more irregular. Breathing brings needed oxygen to the cells of the body, which begin to die without it. . Hospice people will often come into a care regimen at a very serious point in a patient's dying process. Often the hospice professionals will evaluate, and say that the person has several weeks to live. But more often than not, the patient will die within a week. I honestly think that people only dance around this because of the legal ramifications of saying it out loud. But the patients, (and often as not, the families of the patient) are usually clamoring for it, especially if the dying process would otherwise be accompanied by a lot of pain.

You can't say it more clearly than this: "Opioids kill people by slowing the rate of breathing and the depth of breathing,” says medical toxicologist and emergency physician Andrew Stolbach of Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine."

So there's your answer, OP. People do talk about it, but usually not too openly in the context of end of life/hospice care.

AKA making the patient comfortable.

As R3 says, unspoken of course. My mother was struggling to breathe. I sat with her till her last breath thanking morphine all the way. Such a release to all.

R3 Is usually followed by a wink and mustache-twirling.

I didn't realize this was going on until I read somewhere about them doing this during Katrina. When they knew patients weren't going to survive hospital evacuations, the morphine started to flow.

r1 - It was to be matter of very short time before George V would die. I read the injection was at the behest of advisor(s) who thought it better to make an announcement for the morning papers!

Yes, and thank heaven it is. I certainly would want it if I were hospitalized or in hospice care with no hope of recovery.

I’ve been through hospice care in both CA in NY. In CA, the family in the room had full input re increasing morphine, without pushback. In NY, the family had no input.

This isn't legally considered euthanasia, provided only enough morphine is given for a valid medical reason: pain control rather than bringing about the end of life. Inevitably giving morphine will shorten the patient's life from what its theoretical maximum could be: that is balanced against the benefits to the patient. My mother was a nurse for terminal cancer patients, was happy to administer the drug and spoke quite frankly about it.

How can morphine provide pain control if it is essentially suffocating you.

I have a real fucking problem with the fact that I am going to die one day. There needs to be a good way out before I want to do it.

My dad was on hospice and those nurses knew when it was time for him to go. His organs were shutting down. It was just an unspoken thing that they’d give him that final, gentle push. I think hospice nurses are angels and do a wonderful thing for patients and families.

[quote] I have a real fucking problem with the fact that I am going to die one day. There needs to be a good way out before I want to do it.

I'll try to keep that in mind.

R11 It blocks pain signals between the brain and nervous system. Cheer up, palliative care is often quite effective.

A couple nurse friends have admitted this occurs. They get doctors to keep increasing doses, they get a little generous with the doses… and off you drift.

R11 - morphine helps as your breathing naturally slows. You would suffer more without morphine’s ability to relax and open blood vessels.

The morphine thing has been around for decades now. I just went through the same thing with a friend in the hospital. Friend was in a coma, taken off the respirator and the choices were if they don't die and continue to keep breathing on their own, we were given two choices to think about. Long term care at another facility or "comfort care". If you chose comfort care it's usually started at the lowest amount "to relive pain". If they determine the patient is still in pain after a few days, the family has the option to increase the level of comfort needed. (turn up the morphine) Which mean they will die peacefully from basically an overdose.

Ironically, in my specific example after being put on low dose of comfort care, she came out of it! She started responding, now talking and on her way to recovery.

Yes. Hospice will keep the special dose in your fridge. 💉 💉 💉

Yes, the in-home hospice gave us some for the nurse to have ready when the day came. (mother in law, 77, cancer and end stage kidney failure)

Do Not Resuscitate Orders are also a thing patients and families can choose and those aren't considered euthanasia either. Doctors don't have a responsibility to prolong their patients' lives to the maximum possible extent.

Yes of course. My friend passed away from cancer in his twenties. He had just come out, and had been hired at his dream job. He had lung cancer and it spread to his trachea, he lost all speech and couldn't eat solids. The treatments were gruelling and didn't work. He died peacefully in his parents home. His mother administered the morphine. I understand they discussed the fact that he wanted to go, he was in too much pain.

My question is why dont do do this to animals when they need to be put to sleep instead of what they do now which I have seen go horribly wrong with the dog screaming in pain after it's injected?

During the early to mid 80s I had many friends who were in the final stages of AIDS. I remember visiting them and being around when the hospice nurses and social workers were discussing the treatment plan with family members. I distinctly remember a few cases where morphine or some other drug was administered by an dropper into the mouth. There was a line on the dropper indicating the standard dosage. On a few occasions I remember the nurse stating not once but twice, " don't fill the dropper higher than the line, you run the risk that they may fall asleep and never wake up". These were all guys that were in the last two weeks of their life and already basically semi comatose in bed. So yes euthanasia is nothing new and it's the humane thing to do .

Hugs to you, r22.

I don’t have a problem with morphine being used to hasten the inevitable.

I don’t have a problem, however, with them doing it with out explaining to the family what is happening.

When my mother in law, who I loved like my own mother, was placed in a hospice facility, her doctor said she had a few weeks left. I mentioned this to a nurse friend who said, “She’s got four days, five tops.” When I asked her how she knees this, she explained what would happen.

Again, I do t have a moral issue with this but I was infuriated that we weren’t told what they were going to do when telling us that we should choose to put her in hospice.

R24 so you want the MD or nurse to be upfront and clear that they are committing a possible felony in order to do the best for a loved one?

R25, was I unclear? Yes, I would.

Performing a kind and benevolent act is admirable, but performing one that involves life and death of someone’s loved one without the full knowledge and consent of the family is not a kindness, it’s playing God.

[quote] How can morphine provide pain control if it is essentially suffocating you.

You will no longer feel pain if you’re dead. Duh.

R26 when your time comes and you are in great pain and won’t recover just let the docs know that you want not only yourself but those you consider family to be all aware that the docs will be committing a felony by easing you out gently. You want them to spell out that they are doing some very illegal.

Do that and see how much in the way of pain med you get at the end.

[quote] so you want the MD or nurse to be upfront and clear that they are committing a possible felony in order to do the best for a loved one?

Sounds like that's exactly what the nurse did. "Oh, by the way, now that she's in hospice we will increase the morphine until she dies." That's a shock at a time when you're already vulnerable. Now you feel like you agreed unknowingly to deciding when she should die. That nurse sounds like a sadist.

When my mother with COPD went into Kaiser we told the staff she had never been in a hospital except for childbirth and had never taken any drugs her entire life except for baby aspirin, point being she would be very sensitive to morphine so start with the smallest dose and keep us informed when you raise it. At this point we didn't know it would be the last week of her life. A few days later she signed the orders for no interventions. Almost immediately the social workers descended on us to get her out of there into hospice, only Kaiser hospice wouldn't take her because she might live longer than expected (!). As we were fending off these bean-counting ghouls mom slipped into a coma. Two days later she was dead. Her morphine level was twice as high as the last order that we had been informed about.

So yeah, they killed her after she signed the forms and after we stalled on freeing up her bed. We didn't know that once she signed those forms she was persona non grata but they also didn't want to pay for hospice. And of course they weren't going to divulge anything. Damn right we were furious.

[quote] Performing a kind and benevolent act is admirable, but performing one that involves life and death of someone’s loved one without the full knowledge and consent of the family is not a kindness

Exactly.

Where do I get a dropper full, r22?

If your relative did not name you as the person to make medical decisions for them when they were unable then it’s not your fucking decision to make or be informed of.

It’s between them and their providers or the person they named to legally speak for them in medical matters.

R28, we don’t disagree about the administration of life-ending drugs to ease the onset of an inevitable death. What we disagree on is the idea of consent. For every family that is happy to be kept in the dark, or knowingly play their role in the wink-wink game that has to happen for illegal euthanasia to happen, there are families that either don’t want it to happen because of religious or ethical beliefs.

Additionally, by everyone taking part in what seems to be a pretty well-known and accepted conspiracy to circumvent the law, no real pressure is being brought to bear on politicians and healthcare executives to change the rule and establish common sense, legal solutions which protect patients, inform families, and offer an honest, humane death.

It certainly was when my dad died, but no one objected. Death was inevitable. He had accepted it. We hated seeing him suffer. His dying process was as peaceful as could be.

Yes, in the case of AIDS patients back when the end was on the horizon, the "bottle" would be dropped off with a "suggestion" that it could be administered to end the suffering. My ex's BF was dying and we were taking care of him in shifts. As anyone knows who lived through those terrible times, the patient could go on in agony or he could drift off in a calm, relaxed state. It was humane and necessary for everyone involved.

[quote] If your relative did not name you as the person to make medical decisions for them when they were unable then it’s not your fucking decision to make or be informed of. It’s between them and their providers or the person they named to legally speak for them in medical matters.

What are you so pissed about? You don't even know if posters were legal or not. And you don't even have to be a legal authority if none was appointed.

[quote] If a person lacks the capacity to make decisions, the physician and health care team will usually turn to the most appropriate decision-maker from close family or friends of the person. The most appropriate decision-maker is that person who has a close, caring relationship with the person, is aware of the person’s values and beliefs, and is willing and able to make the needed decisions. This person may or may not be the person’s next-of-kin. (This process for appointing a decision-maker has been common practice in California for many years though not in statute.)

Fuck you r33, trained people know what they're doing, let them do it, and you should STFU and die yourself. People are fucking suffering and you worry about the family, fuck you to hell.

My mother was sent to hospice when she became delusional in her assisted living. She was 94 with heart failure. At the hospice facility, they never gave her fluids in her i.v.! I asked about water and they gave me a paltry glass of water which I couldn't get her to drink. She was grabbing at her stomach in pain and they did give her a Foley catheter. Then as she struggled to breathe, they upped the morphine dose till she died.

I still can't get over the refusal to keep her hydrated. Is that common?

* Oh and she went on a Friday and died the next Tuesday. Would anyone have died if they didn't get any hydration for that long a spell?

R37 yes. And you should have know that. Relief is provided by wet sponge “pops,” for chapped lips and dry mouth—that’s it. And that’s the plan.

In short, yes, OP.

R37, you should look for IG/Tiktok videos by someone named Hospice Nurse Julie. She's a longtime hospice nurse, and she explains the dying process in great detail and with compassion. I believe she says that forcing IV hydration on someone who is actively dying just prolongs the process and does nothing to make the person actually feel better. If I were in the process of dying, I'd love to have a hospice nurse like her who knew that there's no point keeping me alive in pain and confinement (provided that was my expressed wish as highlighted by those above- my wish not to have my life extended by a minute while in pain in bed has certainly been expressed to every human who is close to me.)

Thanks R41. That makes me feel better about my not fighting with them to get them to give her fluids.

My mother was getting a bit snippy despite the morphine so I had the hospice switch to fentanyl. Problem solved.

R43, for your mother or for you? Seems it would solve the problem either way.

Gosh, I’m sorry, r34.

Just for the record, George V's coup de grace was a cocaine injection, delivered to his jugular after a morphine injection.

R42 see R39 for the concise answer.

Great thread! For those of us who will be without family, this is certainly important to remember when creating our end of life plans.

So King George went out with a speedball? Sweet. I'd like to do that listening to some old house music, imagining I'm back in the club.

I'd like to speak to my attorney before I weigh in, but he's not "here" yet.

Dewy!

[quote]Additionally, by everyone taking part in what seems to be a pretty well-known and accepted conspiracy to circumvent the law,

Because no one is violating the law. You're not killing a healthy person, you're preventing a terminally ill person from suffering. The point is not to kill them, it's to make the process that they're already going through less painful.

There's a thing that terminal people get called air hunger. It's not pretty to watch, so I can only imagine what it feels like from the patient's side. That's what morphine (and also Ativan in some cases) is for, so they don't feel themselves suffocating.

Even the Roman Catholic Church approves of hospice care, and most if not all Catholic health systems (which severely limit their doctors, even ones who aren't Catholic, from providing a lot of reproductive care like abortion and birth control) have their own hospice programs.

“Even the Roman Catholic Church…” ?!

In the Catholic Church there’s no issue with…. FIFY

The hospice nurses were quite annoyed when my father was returned from the hospital freshly topped with fluids. Apparently, it is done all the time and only makes the suffering greater.

BTW, he died that day.

R52 Not to mention that the Church also approves of switching off life support machines when recovery is deemed impossible.

[quote] Because no one is violating the law.

That poster said circumventing the law, the point being if it's a gray enough area that everyone is doing it but can't admit it, we should fucking do something about that. Furthermore, if it is being done with the intent of hastening death, it IS violating the law. Why do you think no one talks about it?

Maybe it's a law because prolonging the death means more medical profit.

While that is true, R57, I'd suggest that at a more basic level, we in need to re-think how we die.

The longest life is not necessarily the best life.

I agree, R58. And Soylent Green is delicious as well.

r57 here

People have proposed medical-assisted suicide before. Currently, eight states allow it. Four states have planned for the session this year. I meant perhaps pushback was coming from the medical industry.

R57. The statutes were there long before. You type stupid. Show your work: a single example.

Doctors sometimes increase the dose of morphine for their end of life patients so their breathing slows (a side effect) until they suffocate

r 60 What point are you attempting to make?

Check out the 'Killed by Hospice' group on Facebook, OP. I'm fairly certain this is what happened to my grandmother. She had been tachycardic and was struggling to breathe. The doctor then came in and gave her a dose of morphine. Her breathing started to slow and on the monitor it showed her heart rate slowly dropping until it eventually went to zero and she was gone. This was within 5 minutes of the doctor giving her morphine.

This happened 2 months ago. I, and the rest of my family, are convinced the hospital euthanized my grandmother.

Doctrine of indirect effect.

[quote]I don’t have a problem with morphine being used to hasten the inevitable.

r24 I don't either. But my hyper-religious family thought it would be a good idea to try to poke and prod my grandmother to the point where her organs were shutting down one by one and choking on her own vomit and struggling to breathe due to aspiration pneumonia. You know? Because, "God is in control." I hate religion even more now. It literally causes harm and is dangerous.

My grandmother suffered in her last hours because her delusional and brainwashed fundamentalist children don't believe in doing the humane thing because "Only God gets to decide who gets to live and who gets to die." They frustrated the hell out of the doctors and nurses with this bullshit, btw. I didn't want to even be seen with them in the hospital because I was 100% against their choices. I knew my grandmother was on her way out months ago.

[quote]It blocks pain signals between the brain and nervous system.

Anacin BLOCKS pain!

TL;DR I hope morphine is used too euthanize. I believe it was used on my mom in the hospice and God bless them for it.

When my mother died during in-home hospice, I was surprised by how quickly the hospice service showed up to make sure they got the morphine back.

My brother was in hospice, dying of kidney failure. He fell into a semi comatose state and began breathing hard and struggling, almost sliding out of the bed. It was clear he was in a panic state. I yelled for the nurse and he gave my brother oral morphine. My brother stopped struggling and the nurse explained to me that even though my brother probably didn't consciously know what was going on his brain was trying to counteract his system shutting down, sort of an animal instinct to survive. He continued breathing fairly hard until the next day when he died. When he finally died he once again looked young and peaceful instead of elderly and worn, his face etched with pain.

We are so grateful to the wonderful men and women who were part of my mom's hospice care team. They were absolutely wonderful. Completely free for all Americans. Medication free too. Mom was in no pain. They know exactly when to be there, They were a Godsend.

R70

I’m really sorry you had to witness that.

[quote]I'd like to speak to my attorney before I weigh in, but he's not "here" yet.

In 1986 my mother was dying of multiple myeloma. She was in great pain and comatose. The morphine drip was locked to a specific dose. She was moaning in pain and i got a nurse who unlocked the drip machine and told us her dosage was 30 (I may not be remembering the dosages directly). She changed it to 35 and told us we could increase it by two by ourselves, but anything over 40 would slow breathing down too much. She asked us all if we understood. She died an hour later. I believe they were telling us we could hasten the end.

[quote] How can morphine provide pain control if it is essentially suffocating you.

You lose consciousness before you feel discomfort.

[quote]R11 How can morphine provide pain control if it is essentially suffocating you?

A medicine can do two things at once.

[quote]r28 …just let the docs know that you want not only yourself but those you consider family to be all aware that the docs will be committing a felony by [bold]eating [/bold]you out gently.

FTFY

Maybe some day, as we become more Sex Positive, there will be special sex worker nurses hired to literally fuck one to death.

They’d smack and ragdoll you around, make you deep throat till you’ve nearly lost consciousness, then bang you so solidly your skull’s repeatedly bouncing off the headboard.

Not covered by insurance, perhaps… but a thoughtful gift for the person who has everything.

Would you request this service? Could you perform it? Discuss.

[quote] I'd suggest that at a more basic level, we in need to re-think how we die. The longest life is not necessarily the best life.

Tell me about it!

Yes.

R32, But it isn't "the families" who are dying, so who GAF about their "religious beliefs"?

Just die already!

Yes, R68 - tl;dr for you to invest any extra time in reading about an actual life or death choice which will affect most people.

They're not going to give Big Daddy a hypo!!!!!

May I have some more please?

If some angel helped my grandfather go, so be it. He was 101, got Covid and we knew he wouldn’t recover. He was in hospice for three weeks.

Every field military medic knows what to do if you can’t get the mortally wounded out and they are suffering and in great pain and fear.

And sometimes you just can’t get them out.

You take care of your people if you have enough morphine to spear. And you might not..

This was done for both my parents four years apart. One thing I recall is how all the young doctors and all the Asian doctors disappeared and a tall, white, grey-haired 'Marcus Welby' type with a deep but calming arrived to discuss 'prioritizing comfort'. Later we saw him mopping floors in the cafeteria.

Okay, maybe not that last part.

[quote] Later we saw him mopping floors in the cafeteria.

[quote] Okay, maybe not that last part.

lol!

My preferred way to go is under general anesthesia. Short of that, bring on all the morphine I got coming.

Thank goodness, my Mom died under a heavy dose, too. She was 86 and was incapacitated caused by accumulated classic natural causes, pneumonia, ischemic strokes.

If morphine is being used to euthanize people at the end of life, good.

They don't spell it out because they have to worry about assholes like Terry Shavio's delulu's parents suing them.

"My vegetable son who's every organ had failed was going to come back to life miraculously because of the prayer warriors on my prayer chain and GOD IS IN CONTROL! He was going to give me six grandbabies! You killed him with your Big Pharma morphine poison! I'll sue!!!"

There's always some crazy scumbag looking to sue. Always.

Jesus Fucking Christ.

[quote]by everyone taking part in what seems to be a pretty well-known and accepted conspiracy to circumvent the law, no real pressure is being brought to bear on politicians and healthcare executives to change the rule and establish common sense, legal solutions which protect patients, inform families, and offer an honest, humane death.

[quote]if it's a gray enough area that everyone is doing it but can't admit it, we should fucking do something about that. Furthermore, if it is being done with the intent of hastening death, it IS violating the law.

Tell us you've never been a caretaker for someone you love, knowing they're going to die, watching them suffer in pain [bold]because some god-damned politicians get in the way[/bold]. (Pay attention to the boldface here.) For someone I don't know — and don't care to — I am boiling over in rage at your presumptiveness, your moralizing, and your attempt to "fix" a problem that, in this god-forsaken country, isn't fixable. Sit down and shut the fuck up. Seriously.

My mother suffered for years. Do you know what it's like watching someone writhe in pain, curled up in a fetal position, begging you to kill them to relieve their torment? Have you experienced the frustration of watching some dumb-ass doctor refuse to prescribe pain killers to a dying patient because other doctors over prescribed Oxycontin (for years, to great profit) and so therefore every narcotic has to be regulated to the point that administering it requires a team to sign-off on one-another's actions... out of fear of being prosecuted?

My family and I have been through hell with the medical system, pain "management" and god-complex-infected doctors issuing dictates from on high regarding pain meds. At one point I literally screamed at a physician that she's 92 fucking years old, can't walk, can't talk, can hardly move without experiencing excruciating pain... and you're worried about her robbing a liquor store to buy drugs if she gets "hooked" on narcotics? We watched her suffer for days on end while no one was willing to help her because they were scared and stopped by the latest law that pious moralizing CYA elected buffoons passed.

At the end, finally, I wept when the hospice nurses gave us the option to increase the dose. I have nothing but praise for these angels on Earth. With all due respect, your situation with informed consent is an outlier. I'm sorry for your loss, but it sounds like the healthcare professionals in your situation granted you grace.

Bottom line, the very last thing we need is to get politicians involved in these end-of-life decisions.

R91 well stated and on point.

Gee R91. We just asked the nurse to ask the doc to turn the crank up. Mom had a peaceful last sleep.

Too much drama—oy.

R91 has been waiting eons to screech at people about the hell she went through in our fucked up system. Join the club crybaby.

Maybe morphine would help you with the shitting on other people thing, r94.

R91 is doing the shitting, R94 read again.

Nah, it's you. Again, you're really bad at this.

R95 Advice for Donald?

R97 Again, don't give a shit, you're a huge bore. Your posts are as nuanced as a diaper, which you probably wear. No shame in that though.

The very western idea that we must keep everyone alive as long as possible, no matter what they are feeling or what the prognosis is, is utterly ridiculous.

It got ingrained into our system particularly during the Cold War, when we were desperate to show we were morally better than the Russians because we supported life!

I hope no one loves r97 enough to give them morphine when they really need it.

Get used to further disappointment.

In my twenties, I was part of a group deathwatch for a close friend dying of AIDs. He was a hospital employee who was placed on a morphine drip with the full cooperation of the hospital staff, although we were all sworn to secrecy. He staged his death as a party and encouraged us to help him activate the drip when when he was no longer able. I couldn’t and I know this sounds gruesome but, in its own way, it was also deeply spiritual and quite moving to help him fulfill his last wishes after losing so much control as well as his dignity. I also witnessed the death of my brother, father, and mother — all three of whom were under hospice care and in great pain. They each had similar advance care directives that explicitly forbade ventilation or intubation and stated a goal of pain management. In my mother’s case (she was the last to die), I was the one who had to request the final dose of morphine that took her out of pain and, ultimately took her life. It was a heartbreaking decision at the time, but some years later, I feel like I not only abided by the directive but also acted humanely.

R64 - “struggling to breathe” - is why the dr gave granny morphine. To relax her and make it less of a struggle to breathe. Do you think it would have been better for gran to continue gasping for air?

r94 The hell is wrong with you?

It's some very broken people on here. I swear. That was so unnecessary.

R103 your ancient story has no relevance. How it works, or doesn’t, is an entirely different universe in these times. Past performance is no indication of future success—duh.

“ I was the one who had to request the final dose of morphine that took her out of pain and, ultimately took her life. It was a heartbreaking decision at the time.”

Huh? There are dozens of posts above you confirming it was a rational, straightforward decision. Maudlin ain’t a good look on you.

[quote]Do you think it would have been better for gran to continue gasping for air?

No, r104.

Slow down before being so quick to sassily respond to posters about these kinds of topics, and read my response at r66.

Sassily is not a word, Truvy—

[quote]Huh? There are dozens of posts above you confirming it was a rational, straightforward decision. Maudlin ain’t a good look on you.

r107 Oh FFS, people get sad whenever they have to put their damn pets to sleep. Of course any normal person would be heartbroken to make a similar decision for their loved one. You've got to be posting just to get a rise out of people at this point, and if that's the case, you're a very sick, twisted, and disturbed person.

No—read the thread! People act rationally, without “heartbreak.” You type overwrought.

r111 No. You are being intentionally combative and callous to, as I stated, get a rise out of people. No one with sense would think it was "irrational" for someone to be heartbroken about making a decision like that for a loved one.

You know what you're doing. And you know why you're doing it. Because you're a miserable person who likely won't have anyone to make those final decisions on your behalf and if they do, it likely will be with be with a mix of apathy and relief.

Teafcake…move along—you are messy, and wrong.

Never ever have any kind of serious true emotional response to ANY DL reply. This should be posted as a warning before posting. This place is fertile ground for deranged idiots who have serious pathological psychological issues.

[Quote] King George V was killed this way.

It was alright though because they had four other Georges handy.

R112 feel free to read my posts on this thread and then repeat what you just wrote. Take a hike…

[quote]This place is fertile ground for deranged idiots who have serious pathological psychological issues.

r114 It really is. A lot of people on here are genuinely off.

Yeah, everyone has their moments of dicking around and shooting the shit, but most normal people know when and when not to respond that way on here.

Great thread, I learned a lot. A sincere thanks, DL.

Well, there ARE too many youth in Asia.

R118 truly, finally a valuable thread here

Sometimes some staging helps take away the stigma of suicide, if you're smart enough.

I'm rather shocked that no one has posted this clip yet. This is DL, after all!