Just saw nosferatu

So glad to hear it’s good as I love Robert Eggers. I look forward to seeing it.

Nosferatu predicted this.

OP - Can you provide an example of one thing Lily does that you've never seen another actress do?

R3, that had to be asked, but I dread the answer.

The character is possessed by demonic forces and she’s required to rapidly shift between multiple personalities and emotional extremes while contorting herself in very unnerving ways. It’s a little reminiscent of Linda Blair a little bit Isabelle andjani in possession but superior to both.

I understand the skepticism about her abilities but she’s quite good in a very challenging part and the film would not work unless she nailed it which she does.

Didn’t PETA complain about the treatment of the rats??

🙄🙄🙄

How many fucking retellings of Dracula do we really need?

R6, PETA protested the film for promoting "shameful stereotypes" of rats. They did this, as far as I can tell, without consulting rats about this. It's possible rats ENJOY being scary vermin.

R5 Superior to Andjani’s performance which is considered one of the greatest acting feats in cinema? I highly doubt it. You sound like a promotional bot. Swipe left

Lilly gives good Unhead.

R9 your opinions about my opinions would carry a lot more weight if you had actually, you know, seen the movie. The film is currently 95% on rotten tomatoes and 82% on meta critic making it a very solid critical success and there isn’t a single review that doesn’t praise her performance.

r5 Thanks for elaborating. I'm looking forward to watching it!

I thought she was good in the idol even though I was prepared to hate her and the show was garbage

[quote]Superior to Andjani’s performance which is considered one of the greatest acting feats in cinema?

Now that made me laugh.

I admittedly am excited to see this. I like Robert Eggers's other movies quite a bit, and am a fan of both the 1922 and 1979 versions of "Nosferatu". The fact that Nicholas Hoult, Aaron Taylor-Johnson, and Bill Skarsgard (take the latter's makeup out of the equation)—all fucking smoking hot IMO—are in this is just a bonus.

I am skeptical of Lily Rose-Depp but I'm refraining from judgment until I see the film. I will say that casting her as Nosferatu may have been a better choice though—that egghead is horrifying.

Nosferatu is Dracula?

there are too many Dracula movies to even count!

R16, it’s the same story. After the original silent version was released, Bram Stoker’s estate sued for copyright infringement and won. To resolve things, all copies of the film were supposed to be destroyed. One copy survived, though, and Nosferatu lived on.

[Quote] OP - Can you provide an example of one thing Lily does that you've never seen another actress do?

She reaches down her own throat and pulls her pancreas out her mouth.

[Quote] How many fucking retellings of Dracula do we really need?

I know right? It’s fucking ridiculous!

Awful Cinemascore

If there was a cinemascore for food macaroni and cheese would get an A and caviar a C. It’s a piss poor metric for quality.

[quote] Lily Rose Depp does things I’ve never seen an actress do.

It involves ping pong balls.

I’m surprised the Bram Stoker estate isn’t suing.

I've actually never seen the original. Looking forward to this.

R24, Dracula—the book, the character, etc.—is now in the public domain.

[quote]She reaches down her own throat and pulls her pancreas out her mouth. —Let’s see Steep manage THAT

I accept that challenge, r19. And will do it while singing!

There's a interesting well-written essay in "The Bloodied Nightgown" on the fascination with Dracula through the ages. I didn't realize how much the book has been studied, annotated, imitated and interpreted. The original novel sounds incredibly gruesome.

“According to Nina Auerbach in Our Vampires, Ourselves (1995), Dracula’s crimes are merely symbols of the real-life sociopolitical horrors facing the late Victorians. One was immigration. At the end of the century, eastern European Jews, in flight from the pogroms, were pouring into western Europe, thereby threatening to dilute the supposedly pure blood of the English, among others. Dracula, too, is an émigré from the East. Stoker spends a lot of words on the subject of blood, and not just when Dracula extracts it. Fully four of the book’s five vampire hunters have their blood transfused into Lucy’s veins, and this process is recorded with grisly exactitude. (We see the incisions, the hypodermics.) So Stoker might in fact have been thinking of the racial threat. Like other novels of the period, Dracula contains invidious remarks about Jews. They have big noses; they like money—the usual.”

Excerpt From: Joan Acocella. “The Bloodied Nightgown and Other Essays.” Apple Books.

[quote] The Bloodied Nightgown

Also seen in the current Bway rival of Sunset Blvd

[quote] I’m surprised the Bram Stoker estate isn’t suing.

Stoker didn't invent vampires

I want to see this but I can't stand gore and have heard there's some really gross bits throughout. Scares I love but not gross scenes.

That begs the question: which do you think is more disturbing--Nosferatu or Nicole Kidman naked in Babygirl?

[quote] but I can't stand gore and have heard there's some really gross bits

I'm the same. It sounds like this is just gratuitous blood and gore.

I am a lifelong horror enthusiast so maybe I am just desensitized, but I honestly would not classify this film as overtly gory—you see some blood here and there (it is a vampire film, after all) and there are some grotesque shots of Orlok's body, but that's really about it. It is far less gorier than your standard slasher movie even. It's really more of a gothic romance than it is a straightforward horror film, which again, is true to the traditional vampire narrative.

"does things I’ve never seen an actress do."

OP's fave "actress"

Watching a Mexican cam version as I type. Thank god I can read Spanish, so I could understand the Latin parts at the start.

How did they get the kitty to jump on the bed on command? Between this and Disclaimer, we've seem to have made tremendous strides in cat acting this past year.

GORGEOUS set design for that town. However, there was no Germany in 1838. German Confederation, yes, but no Germany just yet. Perhaps Eggers thought that word would be too triggering for the Americans? Also, maybe just pick a city/town, imagine how weird it would be if the card said "America, 1838". Like, where in America?

Okay, he just mentioned Würzburg not five minutes later, I can unclench a bit.

R33 Thanks, that's what I wanted to hear.

[quote] How many fucking retellings of Dracula do we really need?

How else will they catch up with all those Superhero movies?!

Thank god this was shot in Czechia and not in deplorable Hungary, which would leave a bad taste in my mouth. They've also just increased their production incentives, so hopefully we'll have even more projects shot there rather than in Hungary. Sorry, neighbours, but you're a certified fucking shithole.

Doesn’t Corrin always look like she’s on her sickbed?

[quote]It sounds like this is just gratuitous blood and gore.

Trying very hard to imagine non-gratuitous blood and gore.

[quote] I can unclench a bit

Pics please.

[quote] Trying very hard to imagine non-gratuitous blood and gore.

Night of the Living Dead for one. Hard to imagine a movie featuring zombies without it. Lots of movies have scenes where the gore is necessary to fuel the story and even then there are degrees of gore. . The Dracula legend isn't one of them. The power of the tale comes from different people telling the story and trying to figure out "what's going on, is this really happening?" These days movies have to outgore each other and it's not shocking anymore, just gross.

[quote] Stoker didn't invent vampires

Nosferatu is a rip-off of Dracula and Bram’s wife won in court to have all prints of the original film destroyed. One survived and that’s why this thing even exists. Nosferatu is why vampires can’t be in sunlight - they added that because they needed to shoot in light for the camera to pick it up. It didn’t exist in any vampire story before. Nosferatu is also an antisemetic film and story.

Saw it yesterday and it was great. Very unsettling and spooky in parts, particularly from his ride up to the castle up until the time that he leaves. I'm now watching the Klaus Kinski version from the '70s, and it's a campy camp fest (never mind the fact that Klaus is even shorter than the actor playing Harker).

That's interesting R28; I hadn't really considered the immigrant angle. When I read Dracula, I thought of it as a Victorian morality play about the perils of "Easy Virtue" and the debauchery of the aristocracy as Lucy is a flirt while Mina is a proper, upright girl who unlike Lucy can be saved by Proper White Men literally willing to give up their blood to her. So sort of how Friday the 13th movies punish teens for having sex, Dracula punishes women for liking sex. Whatever the case, I want to see this movie; the reviews were kind of meh, but for whatever reason, critics seem to like snub their noses at horror movies

[Quote]we've seem to have made tremendous strides in cat acting this past year.

I don't know why, but this sentence has me actually laughing out loud. Thank you, r35, because I've had an absolute day.

I saw it yesterday as well, and the theatre was pretty full. As said previously, it was beautifully shot and atmospheric - very well done. Lily was incredibly impressive, nepotism aside, she’s a terrific actress. Aaron seemed a bit over the top and too hammy. I felt like it was dragged on a bit too long though and the ending was a bit flat. Glad I saw it though and glad to support the local movie theatre.

[quote]Nosferatu is a rip-off of Dracula and Bram’s wife won in court to have all prints of the original film destroyed.

That poster's point was that Byron and Polidori started the whole vampire thing even before Stoker. Though obviously copyright as we know it wasn't a thing back then, so no estates around just yet to get all bitchy about it, like in Stoker's case.

I enjoyed it a lot, but wish the director leaned into the atmospheric side of things even more and cut out all the talkiness. Most of Defoe's dialogue should have been cut, it was completely ill-fitting to just have him redo his Poor Things character. Just shut the fuck up already and let me enjoy the gloom of it all.

Most of the cast was fine, nothing I haven't seen from them before. ATJ was laughable and his voice made me wince. LRD was transcendent and should get an Oscar for this, no joke. OP was right, she does things I've never seen an actress do before. Not a fan of nepos, but damn it she's good.

I didn't like that the word "devourance" was used, it's not a word. I know it was said by a literal raving lunatic, but still.

I found it interesting that the archangels Chamuel, Zadkiel and Haniel – the latter incorrectly translated to Uriel by the Spanish distributor for some reason – were invoked instead of the usual big guns you see in these sorts of movies. Those three are (today) associated with softer feminine things like romance, compassion, forgiveness and mercy, which I found odd. Until we came to the climax of the movie and she caressed Orlok's face as he died, at which point it made perfect sense. Loved that.

Dracula is clearly a rip-off of Camilla and Camilla came from slavic folktales

How does it compare to the Twilight movies?

R44 the antisemitism claim is complete bullshit.

Eggert seems super personable, I thought he'd be all dour for some reason. Here he is discussing movies with some Frenchies, was released just today.

I'll listen to his DGA interview about Nosferatu with Chris Columbus on my run tomorrow and report back if he says anything interesting.

Carmilla, Countess Karnstein. Or some spelling like it.

I remember I got that book during a book fair when we were all allowed to get one book for free. That was a fantastic program for us lower-income kids.

I still have it, too.

Vampires have always been fascinating to me. I got the book not even knowing what it was. The blurb didn’t even indicate it was vampires. It just sounded mysterious and interesting.

I knew Camilla was an old vampire!

The peen is a prosthetic?

When y’all figure this will be out on home rental?

R55, Carmilla was written by J. Sheridan LeFanu, one of favorite Victorian-era writers. It predates Dracula and while it’s not as famous its vision of vampirism is the one that won out: no rats, all sultry, kinky sex.

Saw it today and liked the atmosphere and the attention to detail. It's also beautifully shot. Lily is better than expected. The Orlok design reminds me of Rasputin.

The film is a little too long, and the momentum comes and goes. The talky scenes could have been shortened. The ending is kind of underwhelming. I liked Eggers' The Northman much more than this one.

[quote] the antisemitism claim is complete bullshit.

No, it’s not.

The reviews on IMDB are brutal. Tons of reports of walkouts online too.

The DGA interview I mentioned was excellent, you really should listen to the whole thing, it's very short.

I was premature in praising the kitten, apparently they had to do many takes to get it just right. Says he was hard on LRD too when it comes to the number of takes. I loved her performance, but I'm glad he's not selling her as this savant who came out of nowhere to blow everyone away with her mad acting skills.

Can't believe Chris Columbus is 66, he sounds like a frat guy. Definitely not a smoker. #goals

User reviews on IMDb are garbage, I fully switched to Letterboxd recently.

PirateJenny1/OP, you haven't seen Eva Green's performance in, "Penny Dreadful". She's phenomenal in it. She also is possessed, talking in different voices, and doing contortions, sometimes completely nude. I would hazard that LRD took a page from Eva's performance.

R65 No, Keira Knightley in a Dangerous Method

Lily Rose Depp was the worst part about it.

She felt fully of the time period and was dripping in melancholia. The other actors' performances felt so pedestrian in comparison.

[9] Now that I’ve seen it. I still hold the same opinion you fucking idiot. Do your diligence and watch other amazing performances before you start with your nonsense. And WHO CARES ABOUT ROTTEN TOMATOES SCORES! You’re seriously dumber than I thought.

R5, my dear boy, it's called 'acting.'

One of most boring and slow vampire films I have ever seen.

It was okay but I still prefer Bram Stokers Dracula even with some questionable acting. And nothing beats the original Nosferatu. I enjoyed Longlegs and Oddity more this year

To the poster who said something was missing, you were right. The magic isn’t there like it was in The Witch.

I prefer a hot Dracula. Frank Langella will always be my favorite.

Just saw it. A few thoughts:

*Visually it was astonishing. the scene where the coach meets Nicholas Hoult in the woods to his entrance into the count's castle was one of the most visually remarkable scenes I've seen in years. I loved how the camera kept changing its axis of orientation then so you never knew quite what you were looking at.

*I also really liked the scenes with Hoult in the Romany village, and his nighttime vision of the villagers driving a spike through a vampire's chest.

*Aaron Taylor-Johnson was just awful. That was some of the worst acting I've seen in a long time. I'm glad it looks like he will not be Bond--h is not up to serious acting.

*Lily-Rose Depp does not have a trained voice, so about 50% of the time I couldn't make out what she was saying. But she has great cheekbones (as does Nicholas Hoult, who is a much better actor). I think Robert Eggers casts for how his actors look much more than whether they can act well.

*I knew what was going to happen with Emma Corrin's two cherubic daughters the second I laid eyes upon them.

*I liked that you rarely got a good look at the count--he was always backlit, or slightly out of focus, or glimpsed just in part. I thought that was really effective. i also liked that he was less ratlike and more virile than max Schreck in the original version of "Nosferatu."

*Willem Dafoe had some hilariously hammy dialogue.

*It was rarely that scary--it is more worth seeing just for the great visuals and Gothic atmosphere, and the sense of repulsion it evokes (especially with the rats and with the animalic way Bill Skarsgard bit into his victims).

[quote] Lily Rose Depp does things I’ve never seen an actress do.

Were they also things a woman ain't s'posed to see?

[quote]I knew what was going to happen with Emma Corrin's two cherubic daughters the second I laid eyes upon them.

I fist-pumped when it happened. Fuck they were annoying with that over-coached, over-enunciated delivery some child actors have.

[quote]Romany village

You can say gipsy, we only get cancelled for that here in Europe. You know, where we actually have to fucking deal with them on a daily basis and not just occasionally begging at airports.

A friend saw it this weekend. She said it sucked.

You friend has bad taste r79

Which is proven, because she’s your friend

In Stoker’s Dracula, the vampire does not die or melt or whatever at day break. He simply loses his powers.

What was with the chest bite- through the sternum. Ir just below to the aorta? The victim would die immediately.

It was mostly gory but not at all scary or even creepy. I was let down somewhat.

[quote] What was with the chest bite- through the sternum. Ir just below to the aorta? The victim would die immediately.

Vampires in European folklore used to bite their victims on the chest rather than on the neck, and Eggers wanted to go back to folkloric traditions.

As for the medical science: we're talking about vampires here. It's not real life.

Saw it on Friday night, thought it was pretty great -- better than The Northman but not as good as The Lighthouse or The Witch. I agree with most of the praise that's been expressed here. I'd single out Hoult as particularly effective, the terror he summoned in his early scenes was palpable. He seems to be able to do just about anything as an actor.

Agreed. I’m now thinking he would be a good bond

What do you mean PAPA?

I've seen/loved all of Eggers's movies, so it's a relief to see that he's a humble, nice, normal-seeming guy. He has beautiful eyes.

Do I need to see this?

Is there any homosex?

It’s okay but you can wait for it to stream. I wouldn’t say it’s excellent

I had very high hopes for it. It wasn’t terrible. It just was so slow and drawn out but a lot of people are saying it’s a masterpiece. Sorry I totally disagree. I’ve seen a lot better vampire movies.

I love this adaptation. Wasn’t crazy about the look they use for Orlok. I wish they had stuck close to the original silent and 1979 version of that character. I actually thought Lily-Rose was pretty good but the performance of the film for me was Nicholas Hoult.

WHY does Aaron Taylor-Johnson continue to get work? His acting is horrible, he’s not all that good looking, and has about as much charisma as that floating white paper bag in the film American Beauty. I can’t stand him. God, I wish he wasn’t in 28 Years Later.

Aaron Taylor Johnson is hot as shit, and he was excellent in Bullet Train. However I agree with you r90…he was hamming it up in NOSFERATU…it was like he was in another movie

His great pendulous DONG excuses a lot.

[quote] Nosferatu predicted this.

R2 Don’t you mean Nostradamus?

I bet Rose as an actress hasn’t done all the things that I’ve done…?! ;)

I don’t think Aaron Taylor-Johnson was a bad actor in this film. He was perfect for the role that was required of him - a minor background character to further the plot.

Did Lazlo or Nadja make an appearance?

Hoult reading clues.

Watched it this weekend; it looked beautiful, particularly the scenes when the Hoult character is headed to Count Orlock's castle. And when the gypsies laugh at him because they realize he's Vampire Food. Very good. And I thought Depp would be bad, but she was actually pretty good - her contortions were pretty impressive. In the hands of another actress, that might have been a hamfest, but she pulled it off. And yet...I kept looking at my watch. Are they going to wrap this up soon? It was well done and I wanted to like, but my kept wondering to things like "everyone was cast in this movie for their cheekbones? Is there a reason for AJT to get naked? God I hope so..."

Speaking of AJT, I thought he was good; yes, he was hammy, but I his unraveling and eventual confrontation with Ellen was good.

R74, I was just about to post this.

The scene where he's newly washed-ashore, and we see just his hand crawl like a spider to grab Lucy's hand .....🔥🔥🔥🔥!

[quote]It was well done and I wanted to like, but my kept wondering to things like "everyone was cast in this movie for their cheekbones? Is there a reason for AJT to get naked? God I hope so..."

I'm sure that sentence made sense in the original Esperanto.

It was okay but out of all the new horror I saw this year it was my least favourite

[quote]I thought she was good in the idol even though I was prepared to hate her and the show was garbage

Had to do a double-take to make sure I didn't write this, R13. I feel the same way. Went in for a hate-watch and came away thinking Lily-Rose was legit, and I loved her.

Finally watched this last weekend.

I knew DL would be already all over Aaron Taylor Johnson's acting. The entire cast acted circles around him, I felt bad for the guy.

There was a moment when he had a delicious bulge though. He is hot and hung so even with limited talent can't help but like the guy.

But a very enjoyable movie, so gorgeous and atmospheric to see on the big screen. I love Eggers visual language in his films.

[quote]R2] Don’t you mean Nostradamus?

It’s a joke, dummy.

I’ve read it’ll be available for home streaming rental January 21st. The thought is it’s coming to home rental this quickly because it’ll maximize its profit.

It’s already cracked the top 50 grossing horror movies of all time in the US. #38 and rising.

R103 You can’t always tell with this crowd.

It is available for streaming rental today. I’m lookin for torrents.

[quote]He is hot and hung so even with limited talent can't help but like the guy.

I agree, but knowing that his big cock has been thrusting into dry old granny pussy for years now is a huge turnoff.

Watching now. I don’t really see anything wrong with ATJ. He’s perfectly fine in his role. Certainly not as painful as watching Keanu in Dracula. I was expecting Skarsgard’s Orlok to be a bit more organic. He seems a bit too deliberate and stilted. The movie overall is about a 7.

My favorite version is the 1979 Werner Herzog one with Klaus Kinski as Dracula and Isabelle Adjani as Mina. Stunning, riveting, atmospheric, arty as fuck.

Contrarian opinion. Keanu is extremely watchable in Dracula. He fits right into a messy High Camp movie of many hits and misses.

^True, but I can't watch anything with Kinski after the stories came out about him raping his oldest daughter for years. Granted, he's playing a vampire, not Father Christmas, but still...he's just too loathsome, even for a vampire.

This was great. However, ATJ is TERRIBLE in this. He sucked the energy out of every scene by how bad he is. I am shocked that Skarsgård did NOT get a nomination. Somebody dropped the ball on that one.

ALSO? Speaking of greats who have NEVER been recognized by the Academy, FUCKING Willem Dafoe. This guy has been knocking it out of the park for like...40+ YEARS. Damn shame Chamalamdingdong will win one before him.

But ATJ is amateur hour in this. He was fine in "Kraven" but he's in wayy over his head here. Kinda like Damon in the "Talented Mr. Ripley." I feel like that role was too heavy and too early in his career. But he overcame, so...there's hope for ATJ.

I really wanted to like it, but it was just so boring and slow.

R70 is the master thespian

[quote] I’m surprised the Bram Stoker estate isn’t suing.

They could never win. [italic]Dracula[/italic] has been fully in the public domain for decades.