Newsweek: How Amnesty International Became A Joke

Amnesty International, like GLAAD and HRC have become a fucking joke!!

No one cares what they say!

Hilarious--the SECOND Amnesty International calls out Israel's military horror, apologists start the anti-Amnesty International Campaign.

Newsweek has becoming an embarrassing right wing rag

R2, what part of the article did you disagree with? Is the CIA doing Israel’s bidding by confirming that the population in Gaza is actually growing?

R1 .. add ACLU to the list. They no longer believe in free speech.

^^^^I agree with you on the ACLU-forgot about them^^^^

Is CNN also a “rIGhT wInG rAG” for calling an event like this one blatantly antisemitic?

[quote] what part of the article did you disagree with?

Pathetic that he's dissects the definition of genocide and claims that killing thousands of people cannot be genocide because it doesn't fit the term exactly. So killing people is a-okay

Here's what Salman Rushdie had to say about Amnesty international in 2010: "It looks very much as if Amnesty’s leadership is suffering from a kind of moral bankruptcy, and has lost the ability to distinguish right from wrong."

[quote] Is the CIA doing Israel’s bidding by confirming that the population in Gaza is actually growing?

They have been at war for a year, with the population shifting constantly. How does the CIA know what the population even is? You serious believe it has special powers to count?

[quote] Here's what Salman Rushdie had to say about Amnesty international in 2010: "It looks very much as if Amnesty’s leadership is suffering from a kind of moral bankruptcy, and has lost the ability to distinguish right from wrong."

And killing thousands of Palestinians is right?

R8, you’ve got it twisted. Amnesty is changing the actual definition of genocide, not the other way around. How is it genocide when you warn people of bombings, for example? I ask you, how does a population grow when it is under genocidal attack? Civilian casualties is an unfortunate reality of war. War and genocide are not the same thing.

I trust CIA figures more than I do Hamas figures, but that’s just me

CNN Sucks...really, really SUCKS!! However, the PM of Australia called it "antisemitism"& and CNN agreed!!

[quote] Amnesty is changing the actual definition of genocide, not the other way around. How is it genocide when you warn people of bombings, for example?

Just stop the propaganda that the Israel army warns before bombing so it must be so moral. When it says leave the entire north half off the country, so leave, it's not being moral. When it targets journalists and NGOs, it's not being moral. When it indiscriminately kills Palestinian civilians, it's not being moral.

Resistance.

[quote] I trust CIA figures more than I do Hamas figures, but that’s just me

We only have Hamas numbers, because Israel wont let foreign journalists into Gaza.

What exactly should they do, then? These people voted for Hamas to represent them, and unlike in Afghanistan where there was resistance to the Taliban, there is no resistance within Gaza against Hamas. Palestinians don't distinguish themselves from Hamas. Palestinians have proven over and over again that if not Hamas, it will be just another terrorist organization that wants to rid the world of Israel.

R15, And when you credit or respond to people with Palestinian propaganda about how Israeli forces have been killing innocent Gazans 24/7/365, all I can say is: I believe them like I believe a Republican politician.

[quote] These people voted for Hamas to represent them

This is exactly like the Irish voting for the IRA members and Blacks supporting the Black Panthers.

When the ruling group doesn't provide needed services like medical care, child care, education, other groups step into the void. Hamas is one of those groups. Palestinians had no other real option.

[quote] I believe them like I believe a Republican politician.

Israel lies its ass off too.

For anyone with eyes and a working brain, Israel is clearly committing genocide and ethnic cleansing of Palestinians in Gaza.

NAZI level shit.

If Palestinians deserve death because they voted for Hamas (btw half of Palestinians werent even born when that election occurred), did 9/11 WTC victims deserve death because we elected GWB?

[quote] To accuse Israel of "genocide" in Gaza is a grotesque and egregious subversion and weaponization of the very term itself.

The new U.S. administration will likely work to put a stop to the grotesque accusation against Israel.

R24, of course it will. The US is working overtime to help its genocidal partner.

Kurdish civilians have been displaced by Turkey and Turkish-backed jihadists. 200,000 Kurds were just ethnically cleansed in less than four days.

Zero condemnations from UN, or the ICC. Why is that?

The irony in all of this is, genetically, Palestinians and Israelis are very close.

Darwin was exactly right--we're in most competition with those who are closest to us

[quote] Kurdish civilians have been displaced by Turkey and Turkish-backed jihadists. 200,000 Kurds were just ethnically cleansed in less than four days. Zero condemnations from UN, or the ICC. Why is that?

you're right but whataboutism

R23 - another false equivalency

Supporting Palestine and NOT calling for Hamas to surrender is support for Hamas. Another thing that is very troubling with you and other far-leftists that insist Israel ("Ziiiionists") are KNOWN liars so that is why their evidence cannot be rationally believed—literally going so far as to say that this is what Israel is most known for since its very inception. And this isn't just coming from Jihadists and Neo-Nazis, but western Progressives. They say it like it's common knowledge (Israel being a propaganda machine).

[quote] another false equivalency

The comparison is apt

[quote] Supporting Palestine and NOT calling for Hamas to surrender is support for Hamas.

Who is saying Hamas should not surrender? We all know Hamas is outmatched and will not survive this. That doesn't suddenly make it fine to kill Palestinian civilians

[quote] Another thing that is very troubling with you and other far-leftists that insist Israel ("Ziiiionists") are KNOWN liars

Both Hamas and Israel lie their asses off. How is this a surprise to anyone?

It also doesn’t make it fine to use your own civilians as shields, does it? And where on this thread are the people calling on Hamas to surrender who are also pro-Palestinian?

The head of Amnesty attempted to explain why they decided to label it as genocide on Australian TV. Her stammering, embarrassing explanations speak for themselves.

When asked by the interviewer why Israelis warn in advance about bombings if they’re planning genocide, her response was:

“They warn them at night, which is inconvenient.”

Poor Gazans—the conditions of the war they brought upon themselves are just not convenient for them.

What a joke.

The damage Amnesty has done to the concept of genocide and to minorities and nations who truly suffer from it is unforgivable.

Under international law, the crime of genocide is defined by “the intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such,” as noted in the December 1948 UN Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide. In its murderous attack on Gaza, Israel has loudly proclaimed this intent. Israeli Minister of Defense Yoav Gallant declared it in no uncertain terms on October 9th: “We are imposing a complete siege on Gaza. No electricity, no food, no water, no fuel. Everything is closed. We are fighting human animals, and we will act accordingly.”

R31 a more apt comparison would be to label the bombing of Dresden or other German cities as “genocide” and the ICC issuing an arrest warrant for Winston Churchill, not Hitler

[quote] It also doesn’t make it fine to use your own civilians as shields, does it?

but Israeli's using Palestinians a human shields is a-okay!

Whenever ANY organization calls out Israel for its egregious war tactics, the trolls come out to badmouth the organizations--they're biased! They lost their way! They're anti-semitic.

Like clockwork

[quote] Poor Gazans—the conditions of the war they brought upon themselves are just not convenient for them.

So, Mustafa and his wide Aliyah who own a small piece if land to grow olives is to blame for the destruction of Palestinians?

[quote] And where on this thread are the people calling on Hamas to surrender

Bibi has made it clear that surrender and releasing the hostages isn't enough. His ministers all want to colonize Gaza and the West Bank

Rule #1: Don't start a war you can't win.

Hamas are not fighting to establish a Palestinian state, they are fighting a proxy war on behalf of Syria and Iran against Israel. This is not to shrink the borders of that country, but to wipe it off the map. And that isn't going to happen. Why can’t the pro-Palestinian “by any means necessary” crowd ever address this simple fact? Why would Israel not defend itself?

Btw, there WAS a ceasefire on October 6th of last year, and the months before that. Who broke it? Hint: not Israel.

R28, maybe it’s “whataboutism” as you call it, but it wasn’t a rhetorical question. Why is this particular conflict in Gaza the only one that people seem to obsess about?

R39 probably has complete disregard for the very real fear that Israelis (both Jewish and Muslim) feel or about the fear that Jews around the world feel about the well documented rise of antisemitism, and instead joins in in the absolutely bizarre joining of common cause between human rights groups like LGBT groups, feminist groups, secular Marxist groups, left-wing university campus groups, amnesty international, et al. with ultra-right-wing conservative theocratic fanatical religious terror organizations, the members of which would be more than happy to do away with the LGBT, feminist and other left-wing human and civil rights groups.

R45, we thought that the Israelis were better than, say, the Turks. The joke was on us.

R47, Israel committed a massacre on Oct 7th and broke a ceasefire?

R47, which is it …. Hamas truly didn’t expect Israel to retaliate in the way that it did, or they knew they would retaliate the way that they did, and just didn’t care what would happen to their civilians in that aftermath? Either way you slice it, it’s either extremely stupid, or extremely callous with a disregard for their own people. Which is it, in your opinion?

[quote] it’s either extremely stupid, or extremely callous

You forget extremely desperate sweetheart.

No, I didn’t. Extremely desperate is when you work as a cashier and take a few bucks out of the till so you can feed yourself and your kids when you’re broke and hungry. It doesn’t mean mowing down a bunch of innocent people at a music festival. I’m not sure what your barometer for desperation is, though.

And even if killing over a thousand Jews was out of desperation of some kind, what exactly would that solve, apart from creating more desperation for yourself? You can twist yourself into a pretzel justifying what they did as desperation, but the fact remains is that their hatred of Jews and Israel superseded any kind of thought of consequences on their own lives, let alone any desire for self-sufficiency

I recently worked with a young Palestinian man (now Canadian) who insisted that Jews have no history in Israel, going as far to say that there is no historical/archeological evidence of Jews being in the region before 1948.

My coworkers just smiled and nodded at him because of how defensive he got when I challenged him. Anyway, it's clear that he's been brainwashed from birth and I don't know if there's any way to fix that.

R49, by "us," I meant the United States. I have no idea what was on Hamas's mind, although I'm sure Israel's intelligence services did, since they had many copies of Hamas's plans for years prior to the attack.

R54, if it is true that Israel had intelligence about this attack, then it would mean they have just as little regard for their own people as Hamas does, but I can’t quite believe that. Either way, they have every right to defend themselves, and to save the remaining hostages that have not been slaughtered.

R55, of course it’s true. It’s a huge ongoing scandal in Israel. One of Netanyahu’s staff members was just arrested in connection with a plot destroy the government records that prove that he had been warned about the impending attack. In fact, Netanyahu himself is the one who has repeatedly sabotaged deals to recover the hostages.

It only did Bibi have intelligence about this attack, Bibi allowed Qatar to send $1 billion to Hamas hoping it would quell them.

[Quote] I recently worked with a young Palestinian man (now Canadian) who insisted that Jews have no history in Israel, going as far to say that there is no historical/archeological evidence of Jews being in the region before 1948. My coworkers just smiled and nodded at him because of how defensive he got when I challenged him. Anyway, it's clear that he's been brainwashed from birth and I don't know if there's any way to fix that.

How is this different from the Israeli stance that Palestinians have no history there?

[Quote] Btw, there WAS a ceasefire on October 6th of last year, and the months before that. Who broke it? Hint: not Israel.

Yet at least 200 Palestinians were killed by Israeli troops over the previous months…

[Quote] And even if killing over a thousand Jews was out of desperation of some kind, what exactly would that solve, apart from creating more desperation for yourself?

Yet, Americans did exactly that in Iraq after the 9/11 attack.

[Quote] Rule #1: Don't start a war you can't win.

Hamas didn’t start this war.

[Quote] well documented rise of antisemitism,

Yes, there is a rise of antisemitism (most from Christians, by the way, now and historically), but there is also the labeling of anything anti-Israeli as anti-Semitic.

Opinion piece by a Zionist. Anyone who calls the Israeli genocide an Israeli genocide is a JOKE and also by the way an ANTISEMITE.

When Israel has murdered the last Palestinian and stolen the land, they’ll say “there was a Hamas terrorist behind her, honestly.”

Every time a Zionist writes an opinion piece saying “ISRAEL GOOD, PALESTINE BAD,” our resident crazed Zionist comes skipping to DL to start another thread, shrieking “LOOK I TOLD YOU SO, ISRAEL GOOD!”