Guv Wars: Shapiro Vs. Newsom

None of the above.

Pick one, R1.

Newsom is finished. The nomination is Shapiro’s to lose now.

Unless the political vibe of the country changes drastically, I just cannot see how the governor of California can win a presidential race in 2028.

Andy Beshear

Shapiro is Jewish. There is still too much anti-Semitism in the US. A Jewish person has very little chances of winning a POTUS election.

I want Shapiro just as fuck you for this country not allowing the first Jewish first partner. It would have been great.

[QUOTE] Shapiro is Jewish. There is still too much anti-Semitism in the US. A Jewish person has very little chances of winning a POTUS election.

There’s a lot more love for Jews than you think, R6. Quit being a pussy.

R7 I get what you're saying and feel the same way. But, unfortunately this country isn't going to elect a Jewish person in the next 20-30 years same with a gay person.

The factors that would have to happen in order for a Jewish person, or another non-Christian or gay person to be elected POTUS would be the following -increases in atheism or agnosticism in Gen Alpha and Gen Beta -increases in Christians who are left leaning and would have no issues election a Jewish person, gay person, or non-Christians as POTUS

Neither. Seriously this can’t be the answer.

shapiro so far as said what he wants in a much better way than Newsom has

Newsom is more of the same adventuring bullshitters we've seen flash up for decades.

No.

And he married that evil cunt, and that makes him corrupt and the greaseball he looks like.

When Democrats look for the perfectly sanded uncontroversial candidate, they lose. People need a few rough edges and imperfections to be relatable. If pussy grabbing and oral sex on microphones didn’t stop Trump, maybe Democrats can live a little dangerously and support someone with a pulse,

naw, democrats went "low" in this last election and it got them nothing. democrats simply need to state more clearly what they want, democracy and fair representation of the electorate and social networks that work FOR the people, not the ruling classes. they make that clear it could be any candidate.

r6 Shapiro can do it. He sounds like a mix between a Philly Italian and a Black man. He can do it. He has it, I can just feel it. We need a young millennial. How old is Shapiro. Not more than 42 right. People thought a black man could never be president until Obama sat on Oprah's couch and had these flyover fraus panties wet.

Shapiro is fifty

Newsom's time has passed. He will be 62 in 2028. Timing is everything.

r16 Holy shit. Why did I think he was a millennial. He looks great. I mean Newsom is better looking like a movie star but Shapiro has taken really good care of himself. He also sounds younger.

R13 yes indeed.

R15 gets it. Shapiro is awesome.

Newsome is bigger and longer, but Shapiro would fuck you like a jackhammer.

r20 Omg he acts just like Obama. That "oh boy" took me out. Fuck that, I want him to be my President. I want another Obama type--cool calm and collective. I am becoming a fan with each interview I see.

R6 if Joe Lieberman hadn’t been on the ballot, a few hanging chads in Florida would not have mattered.

It will probably be a dark horse who gets the 2028 Dem nom. It won't be Shapiro or Newsom.

When is the last time a dark horse candidate won the Democratic presidential nomination, R24?

Only the last four times they won. Carter, Clinton, Obama, and (arguably) Biden.

The far left nut bags and their brethren in the alt right wouldn’t go for Shapiro; that alone is a reason to nominate him.

I'd say it's too early to tell. You may get 10 interested individuals. The one who gets the timing for peoples' attention span right will get the nomination.

I'd be very fine with Shapiro. He seems to have a good moral compass and takes no prisoners. He has no patience for phony b/s which will help him during campaigns just like it helped Obama. And he has more substance than Newsome who is way too populistic for my taste.

Newsom is worthless, and after these fires he'll be done.

[QUOTE] Only the last four times they won. Carter, Clinton, Obama, and (arguably) Biden.

The only candidate on that list who could be considered a dark horse is Jimmy Carter, R26.

R29 Tell me how Newsom is responsible for these fires. Make it make sense.

People really have a profound failure to understand civics if they try to pin an obvious municipal issue failure like fire prevention on Sacramento.

Generally speaking, politicians are held responsible for natural disasters — unreasonably, but still. Same thing happened to Bush during Katrina and DeSantis during the Florida mega-hurricanes.

I don't understand why Chris Murphy isn't a top choice. I would vote for him in a heartbeat.

r32 Um, have you seen how this country votes?

Some of you are thinking rationally. That's the problem. Yes, Shapiro is awesome. But, you're thinking with a logical brain. Do you know who just got elected. The fucking idiots in this country don't go by "Oh, that guy is so smart, or he's doing a great job as governor, he'd be a great candidate." The fucking buffoons in this country elected a worthless piece of shit. 1/2 the country did NOT vote on 'the most qualified guy.' That fantasy is now gone.

R31 Newsom cut 150 million from California's wildfire-prevention budget.

r33 Dude the response to Katrina was unmitigated disaster from the local government to Bush. None of that is at play here.

One of the bigger problems is that if you have contempt for voters and try to pander to your caricatures of them, it comes through and they dismiss you.

Obama wasn’t pandering to the LCD; he said what he meant and voters appreciated him. Hillary, who was the ultimate panderer seeking to “appeal to dumb voters,” was a loser. There’s a lesson there and it’s not “don’t nominate the minority dude because he cannot win.”

Some would say that Obama was quite the panderer, R39

Shapiro is a great governor - Newsom looks to be in over his head.

[QUOTE] Shapiro is a great governor - Newsom looks to be in over his head.

They’re holding Newsom’s feet to the fire.

[quote]I don't understand why Chris Murphy isn't a top choice. I would vote for him in a heartbeat.

I've said this before: He's too anti-gun for the unwashed masses.

And does he even want to run for national office? He's probably more useful in the Senate.

R34, I think Murphy is on manoeuvres. He's on fire on TV and social.

[quote] Unless the political vibe of the country changes drastically, I just cannot see how the governor of California can win a presidential race in 2028.

Correct. Maybe in 2032. But not earlier.

Maybe Trudeau will run after Trump takes Canada by force.

Trudeau would do worse than Newsom.

Plus Newsom’s personal home life is unraveling too. His fake marriage to #2 is up in flames after cheating on her for the last 16 years.

All the skeletons are not in the closet for Newsom.

R48 is the same poster who obsesses about Gavin Newsom’s marriage in every thread

Let me tell you about this person

They are either female, or they are a femme and filled with female hormones which shouldn’t be there.

Shapiro. Newsom cannot be forgiven for that lapse of judgement called Kimberly. Case of letting little head do the thinking.

R20, fuck, he sounds like Stewart

Kimberly Guilfoyle has the dirty scoop on Gavin Newsom which people would pay for during a campaign season.

Shapiro has the best chance of winning an election, which means he won’t get the nomination.

The only way the Dems will win the election if the nominee is a straight white Christian male from a Southern or a Midwestern state.

neither of them have trustworthy faces, but they're both kinda hot.

[quote] neither of them have trustworthy faces

Newsom may have the most untrustworthy face of all the possible candidates. The face only a Californian could love. (I don’t mean that literally.)

R31 R 32 R31, meet R32.

There are rumors that Andy Beshear will be undergoing cosmetic work to be prepared for 2027 announcement.

Andy Beshear/Wes Moore 2028

Newsom is done. The fires finished him.

[quote] Shapiro is a great governor

Nice try.

Shapiro is 5’8. He would be the shortest President since McKinley in 1900. Americans are petty that way.

[quote] Shapiro is 5’8. He would be the shortest President since McKinley in 1900. Americans are petty that way.

Yes, I was made fun for being 5"7.

[quote]When Democrats look for the perfectly sanded uncontroversial candidate, they lose. People need a few rough edges and imperfections to be relatable.

Shapiro is good in that “rough” way. He yells during speeches and has a potty mouth. His slogan as governor in PA is “let’s get shit done.” He definitely has an appeal to working class males that other Democrats are lacking.

Gavin Newsom is 6’3.

As a resident of CA, I am not a fan of Newsom. He also has to much baggage and is too Progressive.

I think Antony Blinken could have beaten Trump.

Shapiro has the whole murder scandal thing. Next.

Yeah, he really does not. And even you cannot really create a scandal about it. Otherwise you would have by now.

Hillary should be the nominee.

Our boy Gavin Newsom might be in trouble…

[QUOTE] Hillary should be the nominee.

Hillary needs to enjoy retirement. She’s done enough damage to the Democratic Party with her bullshit.

Neither. The only prominent Democrats of the moment who have a shot at the nominee are Gretchen Whitmer or Wes Moore. Maybe Raphael Warnock if it looks like it’s safe to take him out of his Senate seat at that point. If a white man is going to be the one to pull together the Dem coalition it’s not going to be a smooth coastal guy, it will be some plain talking down home type from the South or Midwest.

😂 The absolute last thing the Democrats will do is nominate another woman. Sorry Big Gretch but the most you can hope for is VP.

Now Wes Moore is a man who has what it takes to go all of the way, you hit the nail on that one. But if Pennsylvania is once again the most important state in 2028, why would we choose Moore over that state’s popular Governor? Of course if Moore runs, anything can happen.

Shapiro. Newsom can't fix the issues plaguing California, he has no business running for president in 2028.

[quote] Kimberly Guilfoyle has the dirty scoop on Gavin Newsom which people would pay for during a campaign season.

I thought she only became crazy later on when she joined Fox but she was always crazy. When she was married to Newsom, she talked about his dick in public at political events. That's insane.

Neither. And, it's boring and suspicious that these two keep getting pushed all the time.

Newsom is a hairdo with a lot of sexual skeletons in the closet (not gay ones). Dude is a whore.

Shapiro is a nobody. And, that last name isn't going to help him.

[QUOTE] I thought she only became crazy later on when she joined Fox but she was always crazy. When she was married to Newsom, she talked about his dick in public at political events. That's insane.

And he married that trollop.

[QUOTE] Shapiro is a nobody. And, that last name isn't going to help him.

Shapiro is a nobody? Wtf are you talking about, R76? He’s the popular Governor of Pennsylvania, the most important swing state on the electoral college map. And he came within a cunt hair of being the Vice Presidential candidate. He’s only a nobody if you’re deaf, dumb and blind.

Plus Kimberly Guilfoyle & Gavin Newsom were SWINGERS in San Francisco. She knows all the secrets, not wife #2.

After these fires?

It’s Shapiro.

Here’s a quick lesson: When people say shit like, “Eat the rich”, remember that the only people who will ever eat the rich, are other rich people.

If Jasmine Crockett was a man she would have a shot at being POTUS.

It’s not going to be Shapiro as long as the Free Palestine crew is around to spin the one month he spent on a kibbutz as a teen into him being a genocidal colonist.

I also don’t think being a popular Governor of a large state necessarily translates to being the best or most successful federal candidate. What’s popular in PA isn’t necessarily popular elsewhere. It’s about who has the most appeal on a national level.

I think maybe Wes Moore or Ruben Gallego could have the most appeal on a national level.

If this country was sexist, Elissa Slotkin or Mikie Sherrill are POTUS material.

Neither will ever be president and I’m calling it now, a Republican will be elected president again in 2028.

[quote] It’s not going to be Shapiro as long as the Free Palestine crew is around to spin the one month he spent on a kibbutz as a teen into him being a genocidal colonist.

He called Gaza protestors the KKK. His political career was over after that not to mention becoming an international joke using his Obama parody voice. He’s a soulless zombie.

R83 here I meant to type "if this country wasn't sexist"

Which candidate do you support, R85?

Guys, give it up. You're still playing the same stupid games from 2024, throwing out names without a single reason in support of your contention.

In any case, these casting calls are more pointless than ever.

We have no idea what the world will look like come primary season or who, in that context, might save us from the recent past with which we will be burdened.

There is no way to intelligently predict who the answer is because there is no way to know what people will want in four years. This is political Tourette's.

Shapiro has been governor of PA for 2 years. Has little to no name recognition among the general public outside of PA .

He has a lot of work to do to grow his brand and it's going to take more than a few paid bots to make that happen.

Nobody knew who Pete was five years ago, or Bill Clinton back in the day, either. Voters seldom do. It's a big part of primary season. So much of it is luck and timing.

R77, exactly, and look at the pics at R79. They are BOTH delusional. He also lied about going to rehab. He said he went to rehab and then admitted years later that never happened and said that he now drinks socially. Do we really need an alcoholic in the white house?

I feel like people here overestimate Newsom's level of stardom. I don't think even in California he is seen as the Democrats' savior. He received clear support in California because there was no viable alternative on the Republican side.

His main skill really is trolling Trump. He does that really well, but it takes you only so far. The LA fires are probably not helping, but I don't think they hurt him either. After all people have extremely short memory. It's just that he doesn't have much else going for himself.

You're all going to explode but W is an example here. The first few hours of 9/11 flying time notwithstanding, he very quickly asserted himself as leader. Once he climbed that pile of rubble at ground zero he was, for awhile, the man to whom everyone looked.

If Newsom was to grab that mantle in this, he's too late now. My impression of that everybody's doing their best - and some bests are better than other (I'm looking at you Mayor Bass) - but nobody seems really in control, at least in the political class.

Shapiro has always taken control and guided Pennsylvania through numerous disasters and debacles.

R94 That might not guarantee that people across the country would vote for him in a presidential election.

Gavin Newsom has alot of baggage as a candidate.

He is hot & sexy, but that can’t translate to the rest of the country. The persona of being a rich, entitled elite is a turn off for moderates.

Think his time passed awhile ago & he hasn’t evolved to the moment we are in.

[QUOTE] That might not guarantee that people across the country would vote for him in a presidential election.

I didn’t say that. But it helps. You think it’s better if he’s a putz?

I don't think either one is viable. I don't think Americans will vote for a Jew, and I think Newsome's California roots will kill his candidacy especially after the Republicans tap dance on his head about the fires. Even if he is not to blame they will accuse him. If you force me, though, I would give Newsome a slight edge.

R98 here. It's also allll about $$$. Who can raise enough money? It's gonna take a lot.

Why is everybody writing off Tim Walz? He'd be great.

Gavin's developer dance would be played in a nonstop loop. Face it he's done.

Shapiro will be the first Jewish American president or Vice President. Mark my works. His wife is lucky.

[QUOTE] Why is everybody writing off Tim Walz? He'd be great.

Cause he’s too liberal to win a general election.

Walz is also totally ill equipped to deal with foreign policy issues or the Financial issues. Seriously. I love him. And he has been good for Minnesota. But he doesn't have ab road enough outlook. I think in a way, he is happy to go back home and build a nice fire in t he fireplace, have a few beers and watch football.

I grew up in Minnesota, but he doesn’t have a chance. It’s hard to rid yourself of the stigma of being on a losing ticket. Unless you are a felon.

Walz was picked to appeal to working class Midwesterners and shake off Kamala’s “San Francisco liberal” image. He failed.

Gruesome Newsome has no chance. It's like democrats have a losing kink.

Funny how few people mention the fact that if you have the corporate media on your side and you have an A Game on social media, you can win. That's how we got a convicted felon in the White House.

R108? Huh? The corporate media thinks Trump is Satan.

[quote] Shapiro has always taken control and guided Pennsylvania through numerous disasters and debacles.

No he hasn’t. lol. The guy is a pompous ass. His Obama voice became an international joke.

[quote] Shapiro will be the first Jewish American president or Vice President. Mark my works.

Sure, Jan.

Gets shit done.

Josh knows how to govern.

Ahem

Something in your throat, Pete?

Does Gavin not know how to govern 🔥

if these two got together, who do you think would be the top? would Newsom have Shapiro sitting in his lap, riding his c*ck? or would Shapiro have Newsom bent over a chair pile-driving his hole?

Definite flip fuck. Not just because they're politicians, either.

😄 r118

Kamala is going to run again.

She won't run again.

I think she'll try. No idea if she'll be viable. Who knows what the world looks like in four years? She might have left the metaphorical smoking ruin of a country.

Neither.

Kamala running again will look more like she did in 2020. A complete flameout. She only got the nomination because it was handed to her. Next time she’d actually have to earn it. The only path beyond California would be if black voters coalesced around her as we got to the southern primaries, but I don’t see that happening. God help us if it somehow does.

I love Gavin Newsom. He's a great governor and will make a great president.

r125 = 🥂

Gavin couldn’t even be reelected today. Just stop. And Shapiro is an international joke. An empty suit. He’s Jewish and called Gaza supporters the KKK, not to mention the murder scandal in his bs ground. He’s a piece of shit. He will never reach the White House. He’ll br lucky to even make it to another term.

^^^^Gavin has entered the chat

R127 is nuts.

[quote]He’s Jewish and called Gaza supporters the KKK

They are.

George Clooney 2028.

Demi Moore 2028.

Jon Stewart

Maura Healey?

Elon Musk

3 months ago Gavin Newsom was riding high….

Would love to see them fuck.

He flamed out.

Flamed out 🔥

[quote] Maura Healey?

The US will never elect a lesbian as POTUS.

Unless something majorly changes, Newsom has zero chance, so between OP's choices, Shapiro is the obvious winner.

PETE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Again, a gay or lesbian has zero chance of becoming elected POTUS.

A gay guy could become president so long as he’s a top and in a relationship with a partner who’s smaller and more dainty so straight people can obviously tell he’s the bottom. The problem with Pete is that your average heterosexual American looks at him and Chasten and wonder who’s pounding who. They will not vote for a man who they even suspect might be taking it up the ass. The top who does make it will literally have to be in campaign commercials like “Hi, I’m Dave Smith candidate for President and I’ve never bottomed once in my life.”

I wouldn't count Pete out. I think America could get behind a caring, smart dad.

Pete seems trustworthy and kind.

Former troops would vote for Pete, those guys stick together. He was heroic unlike that piece of shit Hegseth.

Former troops are mostly MAGAts who will say Pete was only in the military due to DEI and he’s now a communist so his service doesn’t count.

Shapiro leading the election odds market on the Democratic side with JD Vance leading for the GOP. The person behind Shapiro? Michelle Obama, who is the only candidate I’d want over Josh.

Where’s Gavin? 🔥

Kamala is going to run for governor of California. bet on it. No more Presidential runs. Although I would love to see a Democratic President appoint her Chief Justice of the SCOTUS. Or Attorney General.

There’s plenty of candidates in California who would make a better Governor than her. What a shame if she gets to take that seat strictly due to name recognition rather than hard work.

Ana Kasparian does not like Gavin Newsom.

In the last 16 days since the fire, unfortunately not many people in California are liking Governor Gavin Newsom.

R152 Name one.

Uhh, that’s the point, R155. I don’t know who the fuck they are from 3,000 miles across the country cause they just quietly do the work everyday without any fanfare. Those are the people who know what needs to be done.

R156 name recognition is kinda important...

For all the wrong reasons, R157. How many clowns get into offices across the country because dumb ass Americans know their name? That asshole Dr. Oz almost became a US Senator because of it.

Klammy had name recognition and an office.

Agree, R158, but it is a reality. Part of reason Trump was able to run for office is because people "knew" him. With him he was a constant presence for decades.

R156 And yet, despite the fact that you know nothing about California politics, you opine that Harris has somehow outperformed her hard work. Do you have any idea how much money she secured from oil and gas companies for screwing over California consumers? Do you know how many corporations she held to account? I do, because I'm getting a rebate for overpaying for gas that she helped secure.

Did you pay attention to how prepared she was in the Senate? Did you pay attention to the diplomatic efforts that she was heading when Ukraine was invaded? Did you see how she was received in Munich at the security conference?

Here are the only other names in California politics: Caruso, Bass, Newsom, and possibly Schiff. Porter has disappeared, thankfully. I follow politics religiously and I can't name you more than those names. My lunatic state rep thinks he has a shot, but doesn't. The piece of shit sheriff, Chad Bianco, is a MAGA/Oath Keeper and he's said to be considering a run.

So, please ... enlighten me as to who has "earned" this shot more than Kamala Harris?

[quote]So, please ... enlighten me as to who has "earned" this shot more than Kamala Harris?

Well, I like to think I've earned it. For the children.

[quote]Caruso, Bass, Newsom, and possibly Schiff

Is Caruso another Republican billionaire?

Bass is fucked after the fires and she's old... early seventies... it is getting harder for the olds to sell their competence if they fuck up. Fairly or unfairly, Bass is in a corner now and it's going to be a long before people are close to putting aside their emotions. Incumbents are at high risk.

Newsom, my perception is he adds more and more baggage to his unfavorables with each passing year.

Schiff wants to retire from the Senate, like all of them. Or to aim higher and then retire from the Senate.

I don't know. Governing California seems like a poisoned chalice. Maybe it was a job you wanted forty years ago. There are so many structural problems like everywhere, but complicated by environmental risks. Between fires and sea levels, who with any brains would want the job? And after being VP, isn't governor a little boring?

Not at all as Governor she would have a real job. People would depend on her.

Waking up every morning asking the same question —-is the potus still alive—- sounds like an important job but it often is not,

Jesus Christ who would even want to be governor of CA? You have to figure out insurance shit affordability issues, the president treats the state as an enemy of the US. You need someone like Jerry Brown. Someone who's just gonna put blinders on, hunker down and get shit done.

I think you misunderstand what goes on behind the scenes, R164. She was involved. Don't diminish that with simplicities.

California has just gotten too big and unwieldy to be one state, IMO. No one person can govern it effectively anymore. Split it into North Cali and South Cali, with two governors. Even then, those are still two hugely populous and influential states on their own.

Northern CA has a somewhat different culture than south CA as well. Draw a boundary line west-east, from north of Morro Bay eastward between Fresno and Bakersfield. Not sure if the Fresno area belongs in the north or south?

Governor says I ran shit I was in charge

VP says I was involved

Can anyone translate R168?

Harris Waltz 2028

Gavin Newsom has baggage.

A lot of baggage, R171.

Neither, OP. And Andy BeShear is really lame. He might do well as VP. But that's a stretch. You know what? I get a John Edwards kind of vibe from Andy. Honestly the most qualified and effective person would be Pete. I would love to see him be President. Too bad he'd have to campaign first because we have so many ugly POS people in this country. He is too good for them.

There’s no option for “Neither,” R173.

[quote]Which candidate for the Democratic presidential nomination has the best chance of winning the general election in November 2028?

Anyone who wins the Dem primary will win the general because the electorate is so polarized, we're doing change elections every four years now. Question is, who will win the primary?

I wouldn’t be so sure about that, R175. There are plenty of Dems who could make the path easier for the GOP to keep the White House. And Gavin Newsom is one of them.

I cannot not hear Shapiro’s Obama impression.

I admire Newsom’s fighting spirit, but I think the issues tied to California, fair or not, have already left a mark. It feels like he’s already had his shot and lost, so a comeback run might land the same way a Cuomo bid for NYC mayor would: awkward and out of step. Shapiro, on the other hand, is likable, sharp, and has a great sense of humor. I think he’ll resonate well. As for Beshear, he hasn’t really put himself out there yet; next to Shapiro, he comes off more like a wallflower.

you know, speaking of Cuomo, there's a lesson there. Maybe I'm wrong, but we haven't heard from him very much since they ran him out of office. He sort of disappeared. So he wakes up one day and says, I'm gonna run for mayor. ...and no one cares.

Neither. There’s both DOA.

Right now, Democrats don’t have a viable candidate for 2028. They need to concentrate on the midterms.

Look. If we want to win we need someone with a story to tell. I think we need a celebrity with credibility. I would vote f or Mark Cuban.

Mark Cuban has never run for anything. He’s not vetted. We don’t know what kind of skeletons he has in his closet, and we’re not waiting to find out in October 2028.

[quote] Is Caruso another Republican billionaire?

Yes. He was a lifelong Republican who conveniently switched parties just a week before launching his mayoral run in L.A. It was transparent to everyone. He wasn’t interested in serving the city; he just wanted the title as a stepping stone to enrich himself.