You thought they would be major stars after watching them one role. You were wrong.

[quote] Harry Lloyd from Great Expectations.

I first saw him on a Doctor Who episode. I thought the same thing.

Mischa Barton is simply crazy.

Amanda Peterson

The gorgeous Taylor Kitsch

Linda Fiorentino - The Last Seduction

Elizabeth Perkins - About Last Night

Josh Harnett - Pearl Harbor

I thought the same thing about Natalie Dormer, especially after how fine she was also in "Game of Thrones." So surprised she did not do better. She was beautiful and she's a good actress.

One of the weirdest things about the younger, more visible "Game of Thrones" stars was what a crapshoot it wound up being with them and stardom. Kit Harington disappeared for a few years, but is at least now doing better. Emilia Clarke and Sophie Turner pretty much disappeared. Richard Madden did great with "The Bodyguard" but then has flopped again. Maisie Williams has not done much (although she was always going to be a hard one to put over because of her odd looks).

The only ones who really made it big were Jason Momoa and Pedro Pascal.

Gretchen Mol in Rounders.

Loren Dean in Gattaca or Billy Bathgate.

Shannyn Sossoman in any of her early roles. Gorgeous face.

Dana Wheeler-Nicholson

Agree with the Natalie Dormer comments. Quirkily beautiful and a very good actress.

Don't forget Harry Llyod was also in Game of Thrones, and his performance was so good that I felt more sympathy for Viserys than Daenerys. I really enjoy him in everything.

That proves the point, Harry Lloyd was in Game Of Thrones 13 years ago.

Taylor Miller who played Nina on All My Children.

Danielle Harris in Wish Upon A Star. She acted circles around Katherine Heigl.

Another for for Natalie Dormer - pretty, good actor. Is she "gay men pretty" and not straight guy hot? Like Linda Evangelista - gay men thought she was so gorgeous, but straight men didn't really seem to find her all that hot.

Dormer works just enough in a variety of roles to disabuse me of the idea that she's difficult which derailed her career.

Is it that she's seemly viewed as too old? She's 42 now, so would have been in her mid-30s during GoT.

Sarah Michelle Gellar when she was on All My Children. She obviously went on to be big with Buffy but hasn’t done much of note since. It turns out she’s great at playing bitchy or sarcastic characters but not much else.

Michael Angarano

[quote]Linda Fiorentino - The Last Seduction

That's the prime example. Like Kathleen Turner in "Body Heat."

I never understood why Shari Hadley from Coming to America never became as big as Halle Berry.

Because you're an asshole, Teacake.

Richard Madden - Game of Thrones, Bodyguard

Craig Bierko in Long Kiss Goodnight - he was sexy, and played evil really well - although he has aged horribly since.

I always thought it was too bad The Tudors was so trashy overall, because Dormer really gave a fine performance in it as Anne Boleyn, which I think many more discerning critics missed because by that time they had givnen up on the show. By the time she's sentenced to death, she's kind of purified by her previous fear to be no longer afraid of her situation, and I found that very moving.

That being said, Claire Foy was an even better Anne Boleyn in Wolf Hall, but she had the better script (and though I think Natalie Dormer is quite fine, I do think Foy is even stronger).

Thread Closed

r24 I'm actually surprised he was as big a star as he is/was.

Joanna Going

Alison Elliott

R23, I have not seen Wolf Hall and I do think Claire Foy was terrific in The Crown. Looks wise, Natalie Dormer seems more "bewitching" and sexy than Claire Foy, but again I have not seen Wolf Hall.

R26 Elliot really did deserve accolades for Wings of the Dove. It was a Weinstein production. Wonder if something happened to prevent her career from really taking off after that film.

Laura Elena Harring in MULHOLLAND DRIVE.

R4 Elizabeth Perkins didn't become an A-list movie star, but she's had a pretty decent career. She's been nominated for a few Emmys, and never stops working.

I knew her slightly way back in the mid-80s. I was interning at a small talent agency in NY that had just signed her as a client based on her stage work. The agent who signed her really believed in her, but the rest of the agents had no clue. She wasn't going out on many appointments.

Then this big studio movie gets greenlit and starts the casting process. It's called Sexual Perversity in Chicago. They quickly cast 3 of the 4 leads. They can't seem to make up their minds who they want as the female buddy. They see EVERYBODY. My agency submits just about every client they have, except one! I had become very friendly with her by this point as no one else paid much attention. I liked her very much I clearly understood why she had been signed to begin with. I asked they agents why she wasn't being submitted.

"Liz Perkins? She's not funny."

Very soon after, I took EP aside and strongly suggested she might want to look elsewhere.

She left the agency. Her new agent immediately set her up to meet the casting people of that movie, now titled About Last Night.

I never had the opportunity to speak with her again, but I SO LOVE telling that story!

Linda Fiorentino had a rep for being a major diva bitch based on reporting from the sets of JADE and especially DOGMA.

Dormer has done some good work, but she was not good in that PENNY DREADFUL: CITY OF ANGELS series. To be fair, the show wasn't good anyway, but she was part of the problem.

I got the impression that Loren Dean wasn't interested in stardom.

I was surprised by Lauren Ambrose's lack of success following Six Feet Under. The other Fisher family actors went on to work steadily in high-visibility projects but not her.

r31 Weird, I've heard the complete opposite about Linda Fiorentino. I heard that she would not at all let Weinstein do anything, and hated him, so he had her blacklisted.

Alicia Silverstone in Clueless

R26 they were both absolutely beautiful in the 90s.

Possibly still are, but we’ll never know because of their movies.

r32, I felt the same way about Lauren Ambrose, given her comic talent (she's hilarious in Psycho Beach Party) and her great singing voice. But because she'a a freckled redhead, she's been hard to cast.

After I saw Romola Garai in [italic]Daniel Deronda[/italic], I, too, thought she'd be a big star.

Lauren Ambrose just spent several seasons on the Apple series Servant. I liked her on SFU but her performance on Servant was mannered as hell.

Lauren Ambrose is wry, ironic, and mildly butch albeit not unappealing on screen. For that kind woman the main line of work is usually sitcoms, ans maybe she considered those beneath her. Or she never got in with Judd Apatow or Diablo Cody or other comic writers for roles.

[quote]Craig Bierko in Long Kiss Goodnight - he was sexy, and played evil really well - although he has aged horribly since.

Craig Bierko had the very bad luck of being slightly older than Brendan Frasier and hitting at about the same time.

Everyone viewed him as the poor man's Brendan Frasier. By the time all of Frasier's injuries and issues caught up with him, Bierko's window for those types of roles had closed.

I thought Paul Le Mat as John Milner was the true standout of American Graffiti.

Just about every actor in that movie - Ron Howard, Cindy Williams, Richard Dreyfuss, Harrison Ford... Hell, even Suzanne Somers! - went on to bigger and better things. But not Le Mat.

Oh, well.

Another vote for Dormer, but I wouldn’t dismiss her yet, she is quite pretty but also very talented, so maybe she is stuck in that transition from young woman to older roles.

Lauren Ambrose on Six Feet Under. I really thought she'd have a big career, she was so excellent on that show.

John Stockwell in Christine. He was so hot when he was young.

None of you would make it in Hollywood,, as a studio executive.

Jennifer alive Hewitt.

Two women who were super-popular for a blazing minute, if that:

Ileana Douglas

Jeanine Garafalo

The gorgeous Freddie Prinze Jr. should have had Ryan Reynolds' career.

I thought Sherilynn Fenn was destined for something very early in Twin Peaks, but it was all looks, not a lot of talent.

Speaking of Twin Peaks: I also thought Sheryl Lee (Laura Palmer/Maddie Ferguson) would do better than she did.

It surprised me that, of the beautiful women from that show, Lara Flynn Boyle had the best career. Though of course her problems with mental illness scotched that when she and Jack Nicholson started dating. Madchen Amick had a decent acting career after the show, but hardly set the world ablaze.

None of the young men on that show did very well, although few of them were that talented other than Kyle MacLachlan (who did have a career after the show). I did think James Hurley would do better than he did because he was so stunning, though.

[quote]Jason Dohring from Veronica Mars.

I used to have a thing for him but then I just saw that he's a $cientologist. Ugh.

Didn't expect massive stardom but thought they'd do better: James Marsters (Spike on Buffy the Vampire Slayer). Never really went anywhere after that. Evan David Boreanaz (who is no great shakes as an actor) got the long-running Bones series.

Jenna Ortega (Wednesday) may be headed in this direction.

Breckin Meyer in Clueless. He was so hot back then.

Schlitzie was a more appealing actor than Ryan Reynolds

[quote] The gorgeous Freddie Prinze Jr. should have had Ryan Reynolds' career.

Prinze has zero charisma.

I thought Ally Sheedy would have a much better career than she wound up having, same with Nastassia Kinski.

Natalie Dormer is really good. She should be so much bigger. I loved her in Picnic at Hanging Rock series.

R57 she fucked my ex-sister-in-law’s brother, so there’s that.

Ally or Nastassia? Because I think back in the day, 'Nasty' as they called her, would do it with doorknobs if nothing else was available...

She

Joshua Miller in River's Edge

Evan Peters in the first season of AHS

Besides Netflix none of those Stranger Things kids is any good. They will soon be forgotten.

Haley Joel Osment in Sixth Sense

I see dead careers.

What about Ansel Elgort? Nobody asked for him and he was heavily promoted and then flopped.

Rachel Zegler 🤞

Kitsch was excellent as David Koresh.

Kitsch was good looking but generic at three time and not a great actor. He also lacked charisma.

At the time

[quote] Another for for Natalie Dormer - pretty, good actor. Is she "gay men pretty" and not straight guy hot? Like Linda Evangelista - gay men thought she was so gorgeous, but straight men didn't really seem to find her all that hot.

Bingo. I don't think straight men find her as attractive. Linda Evangelista is a good comparison.

I watched The Tudors a long, long time ago. IIRC, she was good in that. The production values were high. Henry Cavill began his wooden-block acting career.

R50, spot on, Twin Peaks younger cast applies to this, specially the guys. Lara Flynn Boyle was the one who had the better, if shorter, career. Kyle was already known from Blue Velvet. Maybe they were all traumatized.

R72, there are may successful actresses that straight men dont find hot…

Sylvia Hoeks played such an amazing villainess in Bladerunner 2049 I was sure she’d get a name for herself. But.. nothing

R75, there was no love for her.

I think Janeane Garofalo is so neurotic she self-sabotages. Is there anything she’s done that she hasn’t bad-mouthed at the time or soon after? It’s annoying to hear her shit on things I’ve enjoyed watching her in

I remember seeing Lauren Ambrose on Seth Meyers’ show promoting her run in My Fair Lady on Broadway. She was so off-putting I lost any interest in seeing her in anything ever again. A shame because I loved her in Six Feet Under, Psycho Beach Party and Can’t Hardly Wait

100%, r77.

Paul Rudd. 4O year old virgin. He is now doing crappy Marvel movies and reboots.

Not everyone wants to be a “major star,” some people have the career they want.

[quote]Natalie Dormer from The Tudors.

[quote]Mischa Barton in Lawn Dogs.

[quote]Jenna Ortega (Wednesday) may be headed in this direction.

[quote]Amanda Peterson

Drugs and other off-screen behavior

[quote]Josh Harnett - Pearl Harbor

[quote]Jeanine Garafalo

Both have shunned stardom

[quote]Linda Fiorentino - The Last Seduction

Retired. She didn’t get along with Tommy Lee Jones, but her reputation wasn’t great before Men In Black.

[quote]Sarah Michelle Gellar when she was on All My Children. She obviously went on to be big with Buffy but hasn’t done much of note since.

Semi-retired when she had kids.

[quote]Haley Joel Osment

He isn’t a cute kid anymore, he looks like JD Vance.

r80 the Marvel actors make so much money their great-grandchildren won't need to work for a living.

Maybe Natalie Dormer does a lot of stage work. That would explain her dearth of tv/movie roles.

Donna Pescow

Dominique Fischback, and it may still happen.

Romola Garai but I read it was because she turned Harvey down.

I loved Taylor Kitsch in the extremely underrated second season of True Detective.

[quote][R72], there are may successful actresses that straight men dont find hot…

Not r72, but I made the comparison to Linda Evangelista earlier in the thread to which he was responding.

The point I was making was that most people citing Dormer mention that she's attractive, but gay men have a different notion of that than straight men. If she is actually straight guy average looking, then competition for roles is a lot tougher - all else being equal. She's not "quirky" enough looking for character roles so would be in competition with the likes of a ScarJo and other who straight men find exceptionally hot for some reason which eludes my homo sensibilities.

[quote] Jason Dohring from Veronica Mars.

[quote] I used to have a thing for him but then I just saw that he's a $cientologist. Ugh.

Dohring's parents are Scienos and raised their kids in the cult. To a small extent, I do see the second gen Scienos as victims of the cult because they have been brainwashed since childhood.

Romola Garai said Harvey creeped on her when she was still a teen, I think she said it put her off wanting to work in Hollywood

R47, I love, LOVE Ileana Douglas and couldn’t agree with you more.

Jeanine Garofalo seems one-note, like a slightly more animated Sara Gilbert.

I really thought Jamie Luner would be her generation's Heather Locklear, but no.

Illeana Douglas had a podcast for a few years. You should check it out if you've never heard it, r91

Haley Joel Osment's JD Vance impersonation is much better than Bowen Yang's impersonation on SNL.

Elizabeth Perkins from Ordinary People ( is she daughter of that old fart rocker whose name escapes me).

Agree about Ileana Douglas — as ex wife of Michael Douglas — maybe that hurt her, didn’t help her career

Two who I thought would do better than they've done are Oliver Hudson and Tyler Hoechlin. Neither has had bad careers, but I thought they would both be as big as Glenn Powell is now.

[quote]Agree about Ileana Douglas — as ex wife of Michael Douglas — maybe that hurt her, didn’t help her career

Ileana Douglas was never married to Michael Douglas, and is not related to him by blood or by marriage.

She is the granddaughter of classic Hollywood actor Melvyn Douglas. Michael is the son of classic Hollywood actor Kirk Douglas.

Ileana was married to Martin Scorsese.

Ileana was in Goodfellas and in Scorcese's Cape Fear. She was in that really horrible scene, too (Cape Fear).

Ileana and Scorsese were in a relationship, but never married.

[quote] Sarah Michelle Gellar - Semi-retired when she had kids.

It’s not like she has been in anything watchable since Buffy.

[quote] Romola Garai said Harvey creeped on her when she was still a teen, I think she said it put her off wanting to work in Hollywood

She doesn’t make top quality British TV of movies either.

R98 thanks for correcting me about Ileana Douglas . Thus is why I love datalounge. I don’t know where the fuck I got the idea she was married to Michael .

R26 I remember Joanna Going in a 90s miniseries called Children of the Dust. I thought she and her costar Billy Wirth would make it big. Both incredibly hot and not bad actors to boot. It really is all a crapshoot.

R96

I think you mean Elizabeth McGovern, who was in Downton Abbey. Elizabeth Perkins was in Big and About Last Night.

Ashley Judd. She was beautiful, charming, and had a killer rack in the late 90s and early 2000s. Then she just kind of disappeared just like one of the bullets that exited her mother’s head….

Most of these women disappeared because they turned 30.

I saw Ashley Judd in Double Jeopardy, the movie. Horrible. No acting talent.

Very good-looking, though.

I thought Hunter Parrish from Weeds had the potential to become very famous.

Mira Sorvino is in this class as well. Huge success early on and then she dropped off the face of the Earth.

You never hear about Tom Cruise or Julia Roberts. It's always the D Listers who can't afford to shut themselves away.

r110 Mira Sorvino was another one that wouldn't fuck Weinstein and he made her acting career stop.

Claire Forlani was probably meant for a bigger career after starring opposite Brad Pitt. The film was rubbish though.

I wonder with the women how much of it is just having other priorities like starting a family…

Mena Suvari from American Beauty role.

William Petersen from Manhunter. Really hot back then, too.

Please. Mira Sorvino was a minimally talented actress who was a massive cunt to deal with. That's why her career went into the shitter.

If the Dormer fans haven't seen Elementary, you're in for a treat. The first relevant episode is S1, Ep 21, "A Landmark Story". I'm not sure whether she appears in it but it's necessary to follow the developing plotline to which she belongs.

Mike Doyle. He was so hot on stage and in Oz. Thought he would have a major career but he was out from the very beginning. Great integrity. But that does not make for great success, Still he has had a good career and I believe has made a good living from it. He would have been a good rom com star who young girls and middle aged women would have had a crush on. But then finding out he was gay would have been a reel downer and the photos would have come down from the poster boards and office cubicles He's probably fine with it. On the short side but so was Alan Ladd. And Cruise.

Craig Stott in HOLDING THE MAN.

Sorvino was a nepo baby. I don't know what her father was like to work with, but he had a quite a career, although he was best taken in small doses (annoying in "Law & Order", just about perfect in "Goodfellas").

Breckin Meyer worked pretty continuously until he reached the age for Dad parts

Tatiana Maslany

Orphan Black was mind blowing and proved she could act with a capital A. Ok yes the last season or two the writing went off the rails, it always does, but she was still excellent and she got an Emmy.

Adrian Paul from the old Highlander series.

I too want more Romola Garai.

Definitely these 2:

Jason Dohring from Veronica Mars.

Natalie Dormer from The Tudors.

I thought they would both be mega stars given how well they performed. Sad neither ever really broke out.

With regard to Jason Dohring, Adam Brody and Penn Badgeley did similar schtick in shows that more people watched, and their characters were hipster nerds and had a bigger fanbase among teen girls.

There's only room for one Alpha Blonde r16.

Christopher Atkins - Blue Lagoon

Natalie Dormer married her very hot fellow period drama actor David Oakes and they had a kid during lockdown.

William Peterson was on CSI for about 100 years, and it was one of the most popular shows when it was on. He was also executive producer, so he made a ton of money in addition. He doesn’t need to work.

I agree with Tatiana Maslany, I fear she's going to be pigeonhold/held? in quirky roles like Natasha Lyonne's. I really thought Adian Turner would blow up after Being Human.

Mira Sorvino has been in Christian films a certain indicator of career decline.

Yes but Petersen should have been a bigger movie star after Manhunter.

He was great in Manhunter, but I always thought he didn’t quite have the looks. He’s handsome for sure, but he’s kind of chubby and his face is kind of round. But he’s probably as rich as anyone in Hollywood, so there’s that.

R13 And then Miller bombed so bad as Sally Frame on Another World the writers ended up killing off one of their most popular heroines.

Courtney Love was wonderful in The People Vs. Larry Flint, and won some awards for her performance, but never had an acting career.

I liked Peterson in Manhunter and To Live and Die in LA but let's not pretend he's some incredible actor.

I was disappointed to discover that whatever made Tatiana Maslany so appealing on ORPHAN BLACK vanished totally onstage. (I saw her Off-Broadway in MARY PAGE MARLOWE and on Broadway in NETWORK.) Perfectly competent, but absolutely no electricity whatsoever.

When I saw John Hawkes as Sol Star on "Deadwood," I thought for sure this would be the beginning of a really interesting Viggo Mortensen-type indie-film career for him.

John Hawkes was excellent in Winter’s Bone.

I remember reading years ago Ambrose was going to be in the revival of funny girl, then again at one point so was Taylor Dayne.

Sorvino was great at comedy and character parts something she didn’t lean into too much after winning the Oscar other than Romy and Michelle. She took leading lady roles that she wasn’t cut out for.

Prinze like most of the early aughts actors had a short shelf life. I think he likes being with his kids and doing small projects. Plus he’s got a popular podcast on professional wrestling.

I remember when Julia Ormond was pushed on us really forcefully 30+ years ago.

I've never had any sympathy for older actresses who complain about not getting the same roles. They weren't complaining when they were young and beautiful, were they?

It's like they can't make the connection that their youth and beauty opened the doors for them - they think it was their overwhelming talent - even though there were tens of thousands of more competent actresses they could have chosen.

It's a tough business.

Ryan Phillippe had a hot ass but he couldn't stay on top forever.

Australian actor Noah Taylor after "Almost Famous" (and he had also turned in a great performance as the younger version of Geoffrey Rush's character in "Shine"). I don't know about "major star," but I thought he'd have been a steadily working character actor--the kind you're always surprised and pleased to see in a film.

Ray Liotta in Goodfellas. He played the role he was born for and never did much else. Dumbo Drop didn’t help.

Bridget Fonda. I loved her in Scandal (I really like that movie period) and Jackie Brown.

The twins from Spandau Ballet in The Krays. Seems like one or the other could keep acting.

Also the Fine Young Cannibals singer in Scandal.

Umm, Ray Liotta worked steadily in high profile roles in film and TV until he died.

Poor Gretchen Mol. She really was tossed aside after that unfortunate VANITY FAIR cover story.

R124

Have you watched “The Hour”? It’s excellent!

r147 Please explain

Trudie Styler. Not because she’s talented but because she’s married to Sting. Evidently he wasn’t able to buy her a career.

Joel Kinnaman

Juliet Stevenson from Truly, Madly, Deeply.

Two that that comes to mind were on the HBO show IN TREATMENT starring Gabriel Byrne. Each played troubled teens who were patients of Dr. Weston (Byrne) on each of the two seasons:

Mia Wasikowska and Dane DeHaan

After their appearances, they appeared in several films, then absolutely nothing, which is a shame because they were excellent on that show.

Dr. Harry Weston?

(fans self dramatically)

Tatiana Maslany has stirred up a hornet's nest by claiming all sorts of crap about DL fav Ryan Reynolds being a misogynist after being cut from Deadpool III.

There is some talk that she's suing Marvel because they've canned future She Hulk projects.

It couldn't be that the character is uninteresting and unappealing? Nah - has to be misogyny.

Too bad because she is good in Orphan Black type roles which would translate well into genre movies like the superhero or other franchises like Star Wars, Star Trek, and the like.

[quote]Dormer has done some good work, but she was not good in that PENNY DREADFUL: CITY OF ANGELS series. To be fair, the show wasn't good anyway, but she was part of the problem.

R31, I loved Dormer in that show. In fact she was the only thing I liked about it.

Mia Wasikowska is a well-known actor who still works, r153. She's the only person who launched a career from In Treatment. She's more than several movies.

Ron Eldard and Jason Patric were both excellent in Sleepers. They were also hot back then.

It seems like they both disappeared.

[quote]r113 Claire Forlani was probably meant for a bigger career after starring opposite Brad Pitt.

She really is great looking in that. She looks like a beautiful piece of sculpture.

[quote]r142 I remember when Julia Ormond was pushed on us really forcefully 30+ years ago.

PLEASE SEE: “Why did Julia Ormond’s career go straight down the shitter?”

Brendad Ickson

Andie MacDowell. When I saw her in four weddings and a funeral, I thought she had so much charisma and style and beauty that she was going to be a major player. I guess not.

In a lot of these cases there was substance abuse of one kind or another, mental illness, or just being dumb as a box of rocks and unable to make shrewd choices. It wasn't always the fickleness of Hollywood and/or audiences.

R153 Dane Dehaan didn't become a leading man, but he hasn't completely vanished. He was just in Oppenheimer.

Jonathan Taylor Thomas is one. He's a few years older than me, and I was in love with him as a kid. For a short while, he was such a 'teen idol' type, I thought he'd turn that into something. I guess he had no interest, or drive, etc.

[quote]the likes of a ScarJo and other who straight men find exceptionally hot for some reason which eludes my homo sensibilities.

They're called boobs.

R157 -

Never heard of any of her films after 'The Double' in 2013. I'm sure many people listed are constantly making small films that hardly anyone has seen. She's obviously one of them.

R157 with some of the ex-teen actors, it’s a lack of glamour. Haley Joel Osment is a little bear. And Mia Wasikowska looks like an intelligent Polish history professor.

They don’t even have character actor faces.

I thought the same thing about Natalie Dormant in The Tumors, but her career never metastasized.

Jake, the 16 Candles guy.

r153, Dane blew up after Chronicle, but then sort of killed his career with Valerian and the City of a Thousand Planets, but he seems to be working steadily now- he was in Oppenheimer and has 2 projects in pre-pro, 2 in post-pro.

I thought Grand Goodeve would break out after Eight is Enough.

Re: Tatiana Maslany. There is still plenty of time!

Claire Forlani has the same vibe as Angelina Jolie, cool, beautiful dark brunette with high cheekbones and plumped up lips. Just not nuts, as far as I know.

Dane Cook

Whew. I'm safe.

Audrey Tautou after "Amelie." Ditto Marion Cotillard after [winning the Academy Award for] "La Vie En Rose."

R177, Most of the French stars tried a few English speaking films (Da Vinci Code, Public Enemies, Inception, Dark Knight) , then went back to making European films. I think Lea Seydoux is probably only French woman in English films (Dune II) right now. I don't think Jean Dujardin even tried after The Artist.

Jake Weber. He was in a few movies and tv shows, seems like he’s disappeared.

He always worked but never really became A list, Ben Chaplin. After I saw him in Death by Numbers I thought he was going to be huge.

R180, I just Googled Ben Chaplin. I didn’t realize he’s 55. I thought he was significantly younger.

I remember going to see THE TRUTH ABOUT CATS AND DOGS. The film was a starring role for Janeane Garofalo and Uma Thurman, but articles on the film spoke of the new British heartthrob who was co-starring in his first American film. Ben Chaplin was very cute but a bit bland. He was in a few other films (Birthday Girl w/Nicole Kidman, Washinton Square with Jennifer Jason Leigh, Murder by Numbers with Sandra Bullock) and then he sort of disappeared. Went back to the UK. Did some stage there and on Broadway. If you have Brit Box, you'll now see him on shows as an evil boss, or and evil priest, or an evil husband on some UK murder mystery show.

Garofalo was really terrific in Cats and Dogs. Her career should have taken off after it became a hit.

It's been my understanding, however, that she had a problem handling her own success and self-destructed.

I liked Ben Chaplin in Washington Square

Josh Dallas

Kristy McNichol should have been a huge star. She was a fantastic actress, with a charming personality. It's too bad her mental health struggles got in her way.

It's true, R186. I just watched the new 4K disc of Little Darlings and Kristy was amazing in it. Her instincts were spot on. She nad Matt Dillon pretty much conveyed an entire page of dialogue just looking at (and looking away from) each other.

I do also think, though, that if she didn't have the mental struggles she did, she still might have struggled. Look at some of the roles she took before it all got to be too much. I would say that the only other ones that worked for her were Only When I Laugh and White Dog. She never seemed to find the right part for her, and I don't think it was because she was a closeted lesbian, I think it was because Hollywood was trying to make her into a romantic ingenue and Kristy was just a little too offbeat for that. She definitely had chemistry with some men, Dillon, Michael Ontkean, so again, the lesbianism wasn't the issue. She was just too take charge to follow a man.

I do wish she'd dip a toe back into acting again.

Marion Cotillard is a French actress...she's still a major star. In France.

I think Dormer's career stalled because she was touted as the next big thing and got the juicy lead villain role in the 2nd Penny Dreadful series but it bombed then Covid happened and she turned 40 and...it's all about timing. If too many negative things happen, it derails or slows down a star's career.

It's really about timing and charisma and whether you can fill a need in the entertainment spectrum. Every year, there's a couple dozen exciting new talents to come along and MAYBE one or two of them will end up with a long career as a major star. If they get attention, then they have to KEEP that attention by being interesting and managing to get cast in things that showcase their talent/look and that's harder than it sounds.

It helps to have another name promoting you...especially if it's a hotter bigger name. A co-star or director who will put you in more than one prestige project.

And, some people are just not meant to be longterm names. I think both Barry Keoghan and Jacob Elordi will flame out soon. And, Glen Powell is so generically boring. Like a JC Penney mannequin.

R178 most French actors “struggle” with accents in English, even when their actual knowledge of the language is excellent. I think it’s something to do with the run on sounds in French. I applied to English, it can make them appear to speak too fast in English, or sound slightly hysterical.

Claire Forlani has sort of watery eyes. Throughout Meet Joe Black, I thought she was about to weep several times, including during the sex scene.

191 posts and no one has mentioned Alicia Vikander?

R190 you've hit on one of my pet peeves. While learning French all my instructors were belligerent about getting the pronunciation right, yet I never had a single French teach who didn't speak English with a strong French accent,

I really think they believe that English with a strong French accent is better English.

They're really that creepy, the French,

Tyrone Power Jr. He was so good-looking in the 80s I thought for sure he'd become a star even if just on a TV soap or something. Maybe Tyrone Power was already too forgotten in the 80s to create a nepo success. Or maybe it was the curse of that Stars of Tomorrow number at the Academy Awards

Kate Hudson after "Almost Famous"- as a bunch of sh*tty rom-coms and brand endorsements don't count as real stardom.

Billy Crudup- again after "Almost Famous." - he'd have had a better career if he hadn't left his pregnant wife 5 minutes before she was due, it hurt him.

Wes Bentley- After "American Beauty". Thought he would be HUGE. His reasons for not making it (drugs) have been widely discussed on DL- there are many threads.

Adrien Brody after "The Pianist"

And finally Allison Elliot- (I know she's been mentioned already) in "The Wings of the Dove". She gave a *luminous*, haunting performance in that... and was even featured on one of the Vanity Fair 'New Stars to Watch' covershoots they used to do.

I have NO idea what happened there.....but had she hung in, today she would be giving people like Cate Blanchett a run for their money.

Crispin glover - river’s edge

Nia Long

Emily Lloyd wowed everyone in WISH YOU WERE HERE, but then descended into real mental illness. Like, to the point where there’s whole stretches of her life she doesn’t remember.

She was fired from some big films like Woody Allen’s HUSBANDS AND WIVES due to her strangely reclusive behavior, and the follow up films she did make lacked impact. (I believe A RIVER RUNS THROUGH IT was a hit.)

At any rate, a fantastic young actress who didn’t fulfill her remarkable promise.

Uh, Allison Elliot is still acting; she apparently did 'hang in there' but she didn't have that certain It factor you need to become a star.

Cher had Emily Lloyd fired from the role of her daughter in MERMAIDS, saying, ‘You don’t look genetically like me.’

Lloyd answered, ‘Well you don’t look genetically like you, either.’

r179 I agree with you...I thought Jake Weber was the best part of Medium and thought he really carried the show.

Surprised he hasn't popped up anywhere else.

R159 she always looked like she was squinting.

James Marsters = Buffy T. V. S.

Joyce DeWitt = 3's Co.

[quote]Joyce DeWitt = 3's Co.

Judith Light got the career critics foretold for Joyce

[bold]: (

r193 you have a good point. I speak French, but I have the thickest American accent you've ever hear. When I try to speak French with a native French speaker, they immediately switch to English because they cannot bear to hear me murder their language.

[quote]Cher had Emily Lloyd fired from the role of her daughter in MERMAIDS, saying, ‘You don’t look genetically like me.’

[quote]Lloyd answered, ‘Well you don’t look genetically like you, either.’

Emily Lloyd is an honorary Datalounger for that alone.

Funnily enough, Cher's biological son looks like he's not genetically related to her. He is the spitting image of his father Gregg Allman.

You'd think those Armenian genes would've been stronger.

Chaz doesn't look like either of his parents.

R198 love Emily Lloyd. Speaking of her, her stage school friend Gabrielle Anwar also showed signs she might be a big name after making a splash in Scent of a Woman.

Emilio Estevez.

I thought Gabrielle Anwar would be bigger than she was

Jamie Dornan

A lot of English actresses seem to just come and go in Hollywood. Often the flavour of the month and then either end up on TV like Minnie Driver or Natascha McElhone or go back to the UK.

Speaking of, WHET Rosamund Pike

R212 uh, she was in Saltburn last year, a very popular film that got huge buzz and she was on many longlists for an Oscar nomination.

She's also in the next Guy Ritchie movie out in January. She's doing fine.

I think Natalie Dormer is butt-ugly.

R213 that’s right I forgot about saltburn. She was the best thing in that silly movie.

I thought Gabrielle Anwar would be bigger after seeing her on Press Gang. I was obsessed with that show!

Vineca Fox

R212, I don't know if it's still the case but performing on TV for UK performers didn't have the stigma it did for Americans.

R218 Much smaller pool in the UK....and smaller salaries. Everyone realized that work was work and didn't look down on it. Well, depending on what it was you were doing. Prestigious adaptations of great works...fine. Guest starring on Benny Hill....not so fine.

And, at least back in the day, it was all centered on the greater London metro area so it was easy to film during the day and do theater at night. Now they film a lot in Cardiff so not so easily done.

Oh, I've got one, thanks to R219. Miranda Hart. I believe her UK series is what got her the role in the film "Spy" and she nearly wiped Melissa McCarthy off the screen in their scenes together (not an easy feat). I would have thought the role would have been her entry into Hollywood, and she would have her pick of supporting roles and start building a career here. Instead she just disappeared. It's possible she just didn't like it here and ran back to the UK. I just adore her and wish I could see more of her.

Deborah Rush.

Every role she has is amazing, and I'm constantly surprised she isn't cast more. However, her IMDB credits are surprisingly sparse.

R220 There was a recent Daily Fail article about Miranda Hart suffering from Lyme (?) disease for the past decade (?). I can't find it in my history right now, but she said it severely curtailed her acting career due to the physical effects.

I thought Victoria Justice would be a big star

Alison Lohman

Thanks, R222. I will look that up. That's awful for her.

Matt Keeslar

Matt voluntarily left the business and became a physical therapist.

Even after she won that Emmy, Valerie Cherish never broke out of doing TV stuff.

A lot of people expected her to transition into movies.

Here's a People story about Miranda Hart's disease issues.

[quote] She's also in the next Guy Ritchie movie out in January. She's doing fine.

… a Guy Ritchie movie. A dream come true, I’m sure.

Gabrielle Carteris in The Jazz Singer.

R231 she was already past her starlet phase by that point.

r203 Did you really think Joyce DeWitt would be a major star?

A good friend of mine was a grad student at UCLA decades ago and reports that at a faculty meeting, one professor was heard to say that they needed to do better than just churning out "a bunch of no-talent Joyce DeWitts" -- only to have another one point out that she was in fact one of their most successful recent grads.+

[quote]When I saw John Hawkes as Sol Star on "Deadwood," I thought for sure this would be the beginning of a really interesting Viggo Mortensen-type indie-film career for him.

I agree, r139 (and r140). He's a fine actor and I've enjoyed him in anything I've ever seen him in.

A Broadway actor that I always thought ought to have done better is Tom Hewitt. He does seem to have worked quite a bit, at least.

He's a really nice guy, too.

Michael Biehn.

Chad Faust when I saw him in The 4400

Aaron Eckhart - still plugging away but never got off the B-List in terms of mainstream features.

Justine Waddell - after her 90s costume dramas and even the Natalie Wood biopic, I found her exquisite.

Michael Biehn was derailed by a drinking problem, IIRC.

The drug problems and being difficult make total sense for why some of these folks didn't hit bigger.

The most unusual one is James Marsters - he was in his late 30s during buffy and early 40s on Angel. He didn't hit big when he was younger and was too old when he finally hit.

It is a bit creepy that he was 40-ish when he was making out with mid-20s SMG on the final seasons of Buffy.

Ursa Minor

What a deliciously bitchy comment by Emily Lloyd

Monica Keena- I thought she would have been a breakout star after her Dawson's Creek stint as bad girl Abby.

Thora Birch- Ghost World

Carter Oosterhouse. A major star of what I don't know but my god he's just about the most beautiful man ever

Blonde, bubbly Christina Crawford (Wild in the Country, The Secret Storm, Faces) was touted for major stardom until her [italic]goddamn cunt mother[/italic] had her blackballed from the industry.

Tom Hulce as Mozart in Amadeus.

I thought Tom Everett Scott would be the next Tom Hanks. Hanks even cued it up for him in ‘That Thing You Do’. But he’s stuck in the middle somewhere with a ton of others.

I thought Benjamin Walker would break out. Tall and handsome and a good actor, but he never really got there and unfortunately he isn’t aging well. Maybe being married to M’s spawn sucked the vitality of him.

Robert Tyler.

[quote]Tall and handsome and a good actor, but he never really got there and unfortunately he isn’t aging well.

Point of DL order -

Can you say that someone "isn't aging well" if they can still be cleaned up and look good?

Granted, he looks awful as Gil-galad. But, he still looks good when styled correctly and not left to his own devices.

R198 is right, Emily Lloyd is the epitome of this syndrome.

I wonder what would have become of Lloyd if she’d managed to keep on acting. I can see her in Bridget Jones’s diary. Maybe some period dramas - the Wings of the dove…

They tried so hard to make him happen R249 with film and Broadway, but no one seemed to care. Curse of the hideous Gummer girls I guess.

I thought most of the cast of LOST would be bigger

I think they all realized that getting high in Hawaii was more fun than Hollywood. If they saved enough from the show, they’re set

Dennis Franz in NYPD Blue

Kyle Secor in Homicide Life on the Street

Ernie Hudson in Ghostbusters

Michael Chiklis. He was great in The Shield.

Franz was filthy rich when NYPD Blue ended and has pretty much retired.

Glenn Close, Oscar-free over 45 years later

R260 So was Lucy but it didn't stop her...

r244: Apparently, Thora Birch's problem were her parents, specifically her father. He was onset all the time and overbearing, directing her from the sidelines.

Both her parents were ex-pornographic actors and her father was creepily fixated on her. It was off-putting and directors no longer wanted her in their films because of it.

This article references the problems that her father caused her on set. There is another article linked there about a job she actually lost because of her father:

[quote] But what about the porn star dad who got his famous daughter fired from an off-Broadway production for allegedly harassing her co-star?

[quote] In what could be a case of fatherly love gone too far, Thora Birch had her stage dreams dashed after she was axed from an off-Broadway revival of "Dracula" a few weeks before its Jan. 5, 2011 opening. Why? According to Paul Alexander, "Dracula's" director, he removed her from the production after her father/manager, Jack Birch, threatened another actor.

[quote] Alexander told ABCNews.com that Jack Birch objected to another actor rubbing Thora Birch's back during a scene. When the actor (who Alexander declined to name) tried to explain that he had been directed to rub Thora Birch's back by Alexander, her father said, "Listen, man, I'm trying to make this easier on you – don't touch her."

[quote] Alexander interpreted that as a threat.

[quote] "Have you seen this guy? He looks a little bit like Freddy Krueger with sunglasses -- which he never takes off, by the way," Alexander said. "So you've got this dude who looks like a body builder standing there on stage saying 'I'm trying to make this easy on you' – how else do you interpret that?"

[quote] After meeting with "Dracula's" producers on Friday, Alexander decided to remove Thora Birch from the show and replace her with an understudy.

[quote] "I had to let her go for the safety of my cast and crew," he said. "It's unfortunate because Thora's performance would have been an extremely interesting and innovative performance to watch – that's why I hired her in the first place."

Incidentally, it appears she was on the show "Wednesday" and - surprise, surprise - left the production in 2021 permanently (filming in Romania) to take "to handle a family illness."

Ghost World is one of my favorite movies, and when I saw it the first time I thought Thora would be a huge star. I did not think the same about her costar, Scarlett Johansson.

[quote] I wonder what would have become of Lloyd if she’d managed to keep on acting. I can see her in Bridget Jones’s diary. Maybe some period dramas - the Wings of the dove…

Unlikely. She didn’t have the looks.

Christina Hendricks, Joan from Mad Men, Monroe-level gorgeous but destined for cable TV and small films, not superstardom, sadly.

Jonathan Rhys Meyers in Gormenghast

Booze destroyed Jonathan Rhys-Meyers.

I think some actors don't want to be superstars, they're happy working and making lots of money but don't want all the bullshit that comes with being a Brad Pitt or a Jennifer Aniston.

[quote]Christina Hendricks, Joan from Mad Men

I didn't watch Mad Men but really liked her on Good Girls. But I noticed she always wore terrible wigs. Is she bald? Also her huge breasts are distracting

R266 what are you talking about? Emily Lloyd totally had the looks to play Bridget Jones. Aside from this her quirky personality would have been good for the part. I really do imagine she would have got that role had she still been a big deal. Most English actresses seem to have been considered for it.

She looks every one of her 54 years.

And then some.

[quote]Unlikely. She didn’t have the looks.

Please, Emily Lloyd was beautiful! Not to mention incredibly talented and charming.

She's had serious mental health issues, which I'm sure include meds. Hardcore psych meds can do a number on your weight. Don't be like the Daily Mail and pick on a middle-aged woman for looking middle-aged.

Ione Skye another 80s dream girl should have been bigger. She missed auditions for Mystic Pizza and Heathers. I think she was more what they had in mind for Veronica than Winona Ryder in terms of looks although Winona went ahead and made the part her own it’s hard to see either Ione or Jennifer Connelly as Veronica.

Speaking of Connelly, why wasn’t she a bigger star after her Oscar win, since then most of her films have been rather disappointing with the exception of House of Sand and Fog and she had a tiny bit relatively important role in Little Children.

r263, I worked with Thora's younger brother, who was maybe 10? 11? at the time, and he was horrific to work with.

Jennifer Connelly had a great run in the 00s. The house of sand and fog, dark water, Blood Diamonds, and many more in addition to A Beautiful Mind.

R278 I barely remember her in blood diamonds and she only had supporting parts in most films since A Beautiful Mind. Dark Water wasn’t very good. I just think she could have attracted better projects but they’ve alluded her.

Eluded *

Connelly is beautiful but I always found her a bit dull on screen. She also got a nose job that made her look kind of generic and then starved herself out of her voluptuous curves so now she just looks like Demi Moore by way of Allison Williams. Still pretty but like Jennifer Grey she changed what made her stand out

Big boobs do not win Oscars.

After burning up the screen in Apartment Zero he did dreck.

R281 When did Jennifer get the nose job?

Connelly had quite enormous breasts in THE ROCKETEER. Did she diet them away or did she have a breast reduction??

They were on display in MULHOLLAND FALLS, too.

She lost weight over the years.

Yes. But that doesn’t usually make Double Ds shrink down to nothing.

What a bunch of nepos at R194

Vera Farmiga was really good in Bates Motel as Norman’s mother. Since then, crickets.

Vera is odd looking

[R162]: Andie McDowell co-starred with great fanfare in “Greystoke,” but her line readings were disappointing enough to have her voice dubbed by Glenn Close.

She made a very creditable comeback in “Sex, Lies, and Videotape,” then “Groundhog Day,” but she never matched her earlier expectations.

r290, there is the whole Conjuring franchise, and she was up for an Emmy and and Oscar. .She loses out to Cate Blanchett a lot (they do resemble each other)

Ione Skye married a Beastie Boy they were a 90s "it couple"

All the choice roles used to go to Winona Ryder in the 90s after Emily Lloyd didn’t pan out. Jennifer, ione, Martha plimpton… all were scrabbling for Winona’s scraps probably.

Although Ione was terrific in Gas Food Lodging

I was doing my Army Reserve weekend commitment at the St. Louis VA. A drunk raving guy was in the ER yelling “I’m Tyrone Power’s grandson!” over and over. I’m sure I was the only person within 5 miles who knew who TP was. But it was 1982 or 83 and I knew Ty had kids late in life so unless this guys father was some illegitimate son no way could he be a grandson. He eventually threw up and laid down on a gurney.

Tyrone did have an illegitimate son, born to some bumfuck hick when he was filming "Jesse James"

His nepo baby spawn Taryn died in 2020, I notice.

^^ oh my goodness - I just read that nepo baby spawn Taryn married the nepo baby spawn of Soupy Sales…. Tony.

Together they spawned two more nepo babies.

Another granddaughter of Tyrone Power has been missing for 30 years, probably murdered.

Missing Person cases are so sad - I understand why families just want the closure of knowing what happened, or at least locating some remains to bury.

A friend of mine has a brother who hasn’t been heard from since the 1970s and it drives her crazy that NO ONE else in the family seems to care.

[quote]r301 Another granddaughter of Tyrone Power has been missing for 30 years, probably murdered.

[italic]”Ylenia had traveled to the French Quarter during a previous summer and often hung out with the street musicians and homeless people while chronicling her encounters in her journal…” [/italic]

Great.

She was extremely beautiful. Someone became obsessed with her. I don't buy that she went for a drugged-out swim.

I'm acquaintances with his granddaughter (via my trust fund cousin), who is named Tai. She was very pretty when she was young, but now is refreshingly aged, especially since she came from a privileged Beverly Hills background.

When the was stationed in San Diego on shore duty, the manager of the local convenience store was a Mexican American who was the spitting image of Tyrone Power. It was uncanny. I didn’t want to ask him, but if you saw him you’d swear that they were related. This was in 1986-88.

Selling everything you own to backpack across the world doesn't scream Stable Mable to begin with. Not that she deserved to be disappeared but people like that put themselves in harm's way.

r307 who are you speaking of?

[quote]r308 who are you speaking of?

It sounds in reference to Tyrone Powers’ granddaughter, Ylenia Carrisi, linked to article in R303

Jessica Lange, Addison DeWitt, and Tyrone Power in SON OF FURY

When I saw Taron Egerton in "Kingsman: The Secret Service", I knew he had *it". And he's a steady jobbing actor and I thought the accolades and Golden Globes win for "Rocketman" would be a boon for his career, but since then he dropped out of a play, dropped out of Claire Denis' film (Joe Alwyn replaced him), quit his voice-over role in the cartoon "Moominvalley" and has been doing back-to-back projects for streamers.

Pia Zadora.

R311 last I heard was that he was on steroids and that his skin had broken out as a result. I hope he stopped taking steroids.

After seeing Latter Days, I thought Steve Sandvoss would go on to have a big acting career. Now he's a farmer.

Agreed, R314! Same deal for the equally ravishing Matt Keeslar.

A lot of actresses mentioned here are homely if not outright ugly.

You can't see why Ileana Douglas and Miranda Hart didn't make it big? Really???

Tammy Blanchard

(R271) I know someone who worked on Good Girls with her. She wears wigs.

r309, no it's Tai Power Seeff, daughter of Taryn Power.

Ahh I wish DL had an edit. Forget what I said r309

Too bad about her Christian sensibilities, but whatever floats your boat, I would have LOVED to have seen Lisa Welchel have a bigger career. She got offered a lot of good shit, immediately following FOL, too. I think she could have turned into a very good dramatic actress too. Even in a sitcom like Facts she showed she had some good timing.

Gil Bellows made a big splash with his small role in The Shawshank Redemption and then joined the cast of Ally McBeal. IMDb shows him frequently working, but I haven’t recognized him if I’ve seen his work over the years, since he left McBeal.

Michelle Monaghan after Kiss Kiss Bang Bang.

Turns out it was the role of a lifetime and not her.

Lainie Kazan when a sick with the flu Streisand had to surrender her part in Funny Girl for a matinee and evening performance. Audience and press loved her, a star was launched. What could go wrong?

Laines Mum

(proudly clutching her sheyneh meydelehs cum stained 7 year movie contract with Ray Stark & a list of members of the press to alert when Babs finally stays home)

I have to agree with Linda Florentino in The Last Seduction. She was so deliciously evil.

[quote]191 posts and no one has mentioned Alicia Vikander?

That's because NO ONE thought she would be a star. And they were right.

Elle Fanning in Super 8

r323, a director friend of mine wanted her for a project circa 2007, and Miss Thang thought she was hot shit- she demanded more points and backend They went with Kelly Preston.

Hayden Panettiere, from the tv series Heroes. I thought of her after seeing the thread about Zac Efron and yacht parties. She supposedly was no stranger to that culture.

Billy Jayne/Jacoby - Buddy in Just One of the Guys (1985). Not so much surprised that he didn't become huge as him only doing D-grade movies and sitcoms afterwards.

Demian Slade - Bobby in Back to the Beach (1987)

Ryan Kwanten

I see he's had roles since True Blood but mostly lower budget, direct-to-streaming type stuff. Maybe he wasn't interested in playing the Hollywood game. Thought he'd go on to much higher profile projects

All Australian actors are interested in playing the Hollywood game.

Jonathan Rhys-Meyers in Match Point.

Craig Bierko has indeed aged very badly, and before the worst of that started to happen, he made some really terrible career choices.

I would say that Michael Biehn has has a very respectable career, even if he never became quite as big a star as one might have thought he would have, considering how freaking hot he was in THE TERMINATOR.

Mena Suvari

I looked up what Craig Bierko looks like now. WTF, is it a facelift gone wrong or something? He went from cute to freaky looking.

Brendad Ickson

This is going way back but Michael Pare. When I first saw him in “Eddie and the Cruisers” and “The Philadelphia Experiment,” I thought for sure he was headed for stardom. He’s had a decent career, working consistently throughout the years, but never quite made it big.

I thought George MacKay's performance in "1917" was just incredible -- like, an all-time great performance -- but the faux-single shot cinematography got all the attention and he hasn't had another high-profile project since.

Michael Pare was scorching hot, but do you really think he had much/any talent beyond that, R338? Or do you think his body, face, and sex appeal should have been enough to make him a star?

Logan Lehrman, not in The Perks Of Being A Wallflower (I had that gormless teen boy shit) and all those leading man’s son roles he had as a kid. But in Indignation he gave such a good performance, he should be on a Nicholas Hoult level.

Do we have "Major stars" anymore OR do we now have actors who consistently work? Many people listed here are not major, but they're still working after their biggest projects were over. I feel like the days of huge stars like Tom, Brad, and Will Smith are practically over because people don't go to movies anymore.

Who would you consider a RECENT major star?

It’s A-Listers, r342. People who get the juiciest roles in the best franchises and work with the Oscar-bait/Cannes-regular/A24 directors and the prestigious book-to-streaming adaptations.

T Chalamet, Barry Keoghan, Tom Holland, Zendaya, Anya Taylor-Joy, Florence Pugh, Michael B Jordan, Jenna Ortega, Margot Robbie, Jacob Elordi. Even Sydney Sweeney.

R343: Just look at that list. Why does Hollywood like anything that's ugly, mediocre, and bad?

[quote]Romola Garai but I read it was because she turned Harvey down.

Every low appeal didn’t make it actress now blames it on Harvey.

SYDNEY SWEENE? Oh, Lord. THAT's our A-list?

I've only seen Linda Fiorentino in Dogma. She was the weak link in an otherwise stellar cast. Her murmury delivery is inauthentic and hard to follow. She brought nothing to the role.

[quote] Shannyn Sossoman in any of her early roles. Gorgeous face.

She was so cool and elfin.

Anne Heche. Given her mental health and her sexuality (especially during the 90s) she had a great run of it; but she was genuinely gifted.