The mysteries surrounding Nicole Kidman

She has had more fillers and constant Botox /lasers than any actress today.

She never touched her eyes (surgically), which I respect..

I am unsure about a brow lift. (Her filler/Botox is SO intense and consistent that you might be surprised at what that can do-

Her lips /mouth are simply filler. Ben's ex wife had the same /quite easy technique to fix her gummy smile- Jennifer Garner

I do feel her hair is thinning and she has worked that out expertly as well-

I love her as an actress. I hear she treats crews very kindly.

Alleged Stories about her father (and her as a teen) chill me to the bone, and I believe it (Fiona Barnett)

There is darkness there in my opinion- and a lot of it-

She is fascinating and a superlative actress.

I can see her getting her neck/chin line done- she is so vain, and that will require surgery-

I think it's a case of she really hated what she looked like...the curly hair and big broad face and the frame of a high school female jock. She hated that and wanted to be an ethereal, elicate fairy. And, with all her money, she got what she wanted.

I suspect she wears all the wigs because she might have ruined her natural hair by constantly straightening it. Either that or she keeps it super short so she can wear her wispy wigs.

And, yeah....she's an odd duck. There are dark secrets there and trauma. And, the father WAS creepy.

Tom Cruise.

Case closed.

Nicole Kidman's career is self-funded these days, and they make enough money that she's not going anywhere else anytime soon. How she can afford to self-produce and finance these numerous procedures, or find the time in between recovery to film them, is a mystery that may never be solved.

If you think Nicole is still a Scientologist, you're crackers and need a shrink.

TBH, I don't she ever WAS one. She played the game long enough so she could marry Cruise and get the career but....Nic is an opportunist. She seizes those opps then moves on.

She gets cast because she's castable. She still looks "good" and she has enough of a name to get roles. And, while Nicole has issues, she's always been about the quality of the work. She likes prestige projects and because she's a good actress and allegedly easy to work with, directors want to hire her.

Her real hair color is the photo with Tom. Easy to punch it up to red for Dead Calm which is a great movie in my opinion.

She has had eye work of some sort. Growing up in Australia with her skin type means she should have a lot more wrinkles around her eyes, particularly as the freckles showed extreme early sun damage.

Most of her face looks like a horrible version of a generic Hollywood blonde, but considering her skin type and past sun exposure, it could be a lot worse.

What are some stories about the father? I d never heard them. And would live to hear them through DL.

I can’t stand her acting, but she’s definitely made the most of the opportunities she’s had.

She never would have become a huge star with her original appearance, so it’s easy to see why she enhanced her looks.

I do believe she’s nice to crew and easy to work with, so that’s probably another reason she keeps getting roles. Meryl Streep has the same reputation.

What are the stories about her as a teen?

Always given off an asexual vibe. Especially for straight men. No one dreams of shagging her.

I can't stand her current accent. It's like Ausmerican and it just sounds awful.

R8 and R10- i will not even post that shit here as you will call me a loon. I believe Fiona Barnett (Child Molestation and worse, is a worldwide epidemic, as I learned from a dear friend of mine) You can google, find her - include australia, and go down the rabbit hole yourself. Post 2017, Fiona has made herself disappear-

R7- I don't think she has had eye work- Look at her hooded eyes/lids- those are hers. Botox will naturally lift the eyes/forehead when injected expertly (she clearly goes to he "best"..

I think she is beautiful and has not reached "freak" levels- but her skin is just so perfect for a 60 year old, that she looks -inhuman-.... Even with all that, for me any way, she can inhabit characters

and let me recommend one of her BEST and most forgotten performances- Destroyer.

It is a flawed film, but watchable- and she is EXCELLENT-

[quote] Alleged Stories about her father (and her as a teen) chill me to the bone, and I believe it (Fiona Barnett)

Those tales read as desperate fanfiction from a seriously disturbed woman.

R8, r10 - allegations of Satanic-style rituals as he SAed her, witnessed by Nicole who watched glaring in the same room.

Fanciful stuff.

I disagree- But I understand your opinion--

She's my favorite actress.

R17- For present actresses- I think that she is mine too- And for all time? I would put her in my Top 6 with Jessica L and Gena R. Jessica Chastain, Margot Robie(sp), Olivia Colman, and Nicole are really my current faves. I am really loving Andra Day too- I would like to see her more-

I loved her in Dead Calm.

After that, meh. Indifferent.

Curious how DL would rank her top three or four films, and what they would be.

I remember back in 92 (in Australia) watching Strictly Ballroom at the cinema and in the previews before it started,one of Kudman's films featured.

The loudmouth sitting up the back yelled out, "Nicole Kidman! What a root!" which cracked everyone up. He did seem inebriated, though.

R19

Destroyer

The Hours

Rabbit Hole

To Die For

The Others

and Margot at The Wedding is so hard to dismiss- I love this film

and it sucks because I LOVE Killing of a Sacred Deer, Eyes Wide Shut, Birth, Dogville...

Men don't want to fuck her and women don't want to be her pal. Gays don't follow her couture. Drag queens don't even do her. Who has her been her base for 40 years?

she's my favorite actress.

Naomi

R22- I guess just me!

Her base = trash mag slags. Nicole and Keef are featured in tabloids like Woman's Day and New Idea in Australia every time I'm at the supermarket.

Her base is artist and leftist liberal intelligentsia who flock to her carefully crafted and marvellously acted small arthouse films.

[quote]Those tales read as desperate fanfiction from a seriously disturbed woman.

Yes, this was my original impression too. But after taking a short trip down that rabbit hole, I was disturbed to find there are some seemingly genuine links between this Fiona person and a well-known criminal family from Australia who are infamous for their dysfunction and multi-generational violence, also to crime syndicates that are definitely not a figment of someone's imagination. I'm not saying that it's all true, but it's sometimes a smaller and stranger world than we can imagine. It's all the more startling as the Kidmans were always ultra respectable and well-liked, from the good side of town etc...

[quote]The mysteries surrounding Nicole Kidman

I know little about her and this isn't as judgmental as it might sound, but in the spirit of the thread title I'll add: Strange to adopt two children and later on just move on with your life after you and their dad divorce and live as if that part of your life, including the kids, never existed. What mom does that?

Well the not talking about Tom/Scientology thing is no big mystery. Either there was an NDA or they have compromising information on her from recorded sessions.

Katie Holmes never talks about him or the cult either so I’m assuming NDAs are standard for Tom’s wives.

Nicole is a movie star who makes interesting choices for her roles, and her name bankrolls those movies regardless of commercial success.

She should be in double figures for Oscar nominations: To Die For, Birth, Dogville, Flirting, The Others, Birthday Girl

As a fellow Australian I only have one question: Would her career be much different if she never married Cruise?

They met making Days of Thunder and followed up with Far and Away... two films largely forgotten. Their third and last costarring was Eyes Wide Shut, so they ended on a high. A Kubrick film will will never be forgotten. If Kidman and Cruise had never met or married then the casting in that film would've been different but so what? It's still a Kubrick film.

That one film aside, did she really need to marry Cruise to boost her career?

She has a very limited talent and is an example of the element of luck and others' blindness in a too-successful career.

And there's always been something wrong with her. She's not right.

I have a friend who is obsessed with her. She’s his favorite actress/celebrity. He will begrudgingly admit that sometimes she looks weird, but doesn’t really want to talk about it.

In some movies/shows she looks normal-obviously augmented, but normal. Then I’ll watch one of her million other shows, and she looks totally freakish.

She is a great actress. No doubt. Dead Calm,To Die For, The Others, Moulin Rouge, Dogville, Birth, Margot at the Wedding, Rabbit Hole, Lion, The Beguiled, Destroyer….all great performances.

She was excellent in the first season of Big Little Lies, but looked distractingly weird in the second season, as she did in The Undoing and Nine Perfect Strangers (her worst performance IMHO). For some reason, she shows up in a supporting role in the Zoe Saldana-led series Lioness. She must have done that as a favor for someone.

It's bizarre. Nicole has had so much plastic surgery that she almost looks exactly the same as she did in the early 00s. But not. It's hard to explain. She's like a balloon version of her fomer self.

She's excellent in Eyes Wide Shut despite what the naysayers say.

She probably doesn't mention or see the children from her marriage with Cruise because of threats from from his religious group, should she do so. It wouldn't be the first time they've threatened people nor will it be the last.

To clarify how Nicole is likely to have aged if she hadn't had all that work, in the picture below she is holding hands with her sister (in the black and white), who is but three years younger, has lived nearly all her life in Sydney, and has borne six children (and that's without the rumours that she was surrogate for one of Nicole's).

R2, Nicole can't ever have had "the frame of a high school female jock". Her torso and hips are particularly narrow for a woman of her height, and you can't have surgery to make your pelvis and clavicles smaller. (Compare the width of her waist and pelvis with those of the slim and much shorter girl in orange, two across from her in the picture.)

To answer your questions OP ..let me begin

Nicole signed a NDA with Cruise Tom and Nicole’s adopted kids have chosen to become Scientologists . They don’t allow interaction with non Scientologists and consider them suppressed people. Nicole has attempted to have a relationship with them but they abide by their religious beliefs. The reason Tom said “ask Nic” was because it was rumored that Nicole was having an affair with Ewan Macgregor during the filming of Moulin Rouge and got pregnant then had a miscarriage. Nicole has had many facial procedures and at times they do affect her acting roles However, she is still my favorite actresses….she has produced many nuanced acting roles Loved her in To Die For, Moulin rouge, The Hours and Big Little Lies…ect

what was weird about her relationship with her father?

Marriage to Tom made her a star (whether the early films were hits or not) and introduced her to a lot of Hollywood power players so I’m sure it had an effect. She likely would have had a career more like her friend Naomi Watts otherwise.

EYES WIDE SHUT is what made everyone aware that she is a great actress. She eclipsed Tom in that movie despite having a significantly smaller role.

R27- This shit goes on. Its the only aspect of these Qanon freaks that does have some truth- Its a fucked up world.

[quote] I think she is beautiful and has not reached "freak" levels- but her skin is just so perfect for a 60 year old, that she looks -inhuman-....

Moisturize me! MOISTURIZE ME!!

[quote] what was weird about her relationship with her father?

Literally nothing.

R40, I think Cruise was good in the movie (perfectly cast) but Kidman is the more memorable performance.

The litmus test of stardom : Impersonation.

waiting

still waiting

got a roast in the oven

I enjoyed her in both Days of Thunder and Far and Away.

[Quote] Her torso and hips are particularly narrow for a woman of her height

I've always been struck by this. It's almost alien. I don't know of anyone else in Hollywood with her proportions. Even her sister is proportioned normally compared to her in r37.

[quote] I was disturbed to find there are some seemingly genuine links between this Fiona person and a well-known criminal family from Australia who are infamous for their dysfunction and multi-generational violence, also to crime syndicates that are definitely not a figment of someone's imagination

Her family history and inherited trauma makes it even more indicative to me that she is fantasising about being abused (in this case specifically by a Hollywood star and said star’s father) to make her experiences seem more special and more differentiated to the awful norm of her fucked up criminal relatives.

I don’t believe in Satanic ritualistic cults - but lots of damaged and scared people do.

Despite her frozen face (or because of it) she is fantastic in The Perfect Couple.

I haven’t finished the series yet but I know exactly the sort of woman Greer is - not actually English but putting on a great performance as English upper class, all repressed rage, conceit and contempt for others.

It’s a soapy stereotype on paper but Kidman makes her human.

I think Nic is one of those actresses who is rarely your favourite but is in lot of peoples top 5. Where Julia and Sandra have that top spot for many, Nic is sort of iconic, very likeable and she actively finds interesting projects delivers. Actually, she is one of the last Movie Stars and is way more interesting than Cate or any of her other peers. I find her a bit bland and Id love to see her let loose in a comedy.

I don’t know whether Nic’s father is a pedo or not, but he did die mysteriously in South East Asia and this Fiona woman claims it was just weeks after his professional board had agreed to investigate her claims

R52, Kidman is a better actor than Julia or Sandra. In terms of acting ability, I would rank them: Kidman>Julia>Sandra.

The main mystery for me is how, apparently, so many people can stand to look at what she has done to her face long enough to enjoy her in a movie.

Agree R55, her face is such a distraction that I find her completely unwatchable. Her weird hybrid accent is distracting too.

[quote] I don’t know whether Nic’s father is a pedo or not, but he did die mysteriously in South East Asia

He was a vain old man who had a heart attack on a Singapore hotel treadmill and hit his head in the fall. It’s the opposite of a scandal but poor Fiona is taking a lead out of the Elon Musk playbook with coy references to South East Asia.

[quote] Fiona woman claims it was just weeks after his professional board had agreed to investigate her claims

It is very implausible that a professional body would provide a member of a crime family updates regarding an investigation into an alleged Satanist. .

[quote] Despite her frozen face (or because of it) she is fantastic in The Perfect Couple.

Ken, I'll take "What do people with absolutely awful taste say?" for $400.

Her hands and arms are showing some major aging.

"Why does she so far not say anything negative about Tom Cruise now that their kids are grown and mostly estranged from her?"

Why should she? She doesn't need to start a feud for publicity purposes. I'm sure her family and friends know the details of the situation. Why should she go there publicly?

Is she eligible to receive damehood? You have to admit that Dame Nicole Kidman has a nice ring to it.

Also, why would Nicole want to endure the wrath of Scientology? I wouldn't.

To R38, Nicole Kidman's NDA with Miss Cruise would have been 10 years!! This is the standard practice of famous divorces.

I was brought into the Miss Cruise divorce because Nicole's team was sure he was hiding $$$$ from her (and Miss Cruise was hiding money). My job was to find the hidden money, and I did. I never signed an NDA because I was a "freelance independent forensic financial accountant"& wasn't being paid by Nicole's divorce team. Also, I had dealings with Miss Cruise's private security man Anthony Pelicano, who was really GOOD at digging up dirt on people (and plant bugging devices all over a home-outside lines). Needless to say, Nicole won the divorce battle.

[quote]Also, why would Nicole want to endure the wrath of Scientology? I wouldn't.

Exactly. What we know about the Scientos -- how they can make people disappear, etc. -- is bad enough, and one can only imagine the horrible stuff we DON'T know about them.

I think Kidman's appeal lies in the fact that there is an inherent kind, fragility that emanates through the surface brittlness that is ALWAYS there. It makes for an appealing complexity that makes her more interesting than somone like Blanchett, who is probably more technically gifted, and also frequently plays the same type of brittle women of a certain age/socioeconomic situation, but is not nearly as appealing or interesting a performer.

Interesting, R65, but I'm sure you realize that's all very subjective. I'm not sure how much if any fragility I see beneath the surface in Kidman's performances.

Fragility, no. Insanity, yes.

Conspiracy theories often sound so convincing because they creatively combine fact with fiction. I thought that Fiona Barnett was full of shit until I started to dig a little, and realized she was definitely a survivor of horrific abuse. And I got the hell out of there. That cut close to the bone for me, because even though I live a comfortable life some of it might have happened just across the street from where I live.

[quote]What we know about the Scientos -- how they can make people disappear, etc. -- is bad enough, and one can only imagine the horrible stuff we DON'T know about them.

That's a pretty weak argument.

[quote]Also, why would Nicole want to endure the wrath of Scientology? I wouldn't.

Better not to marry a cult member to begin with, and even better not to have kids with him.

He was the biggest movie star in the world at the time, r70. Gorgeous, rich, famous and powerful. Hard to say no to that.

I've never heard of Fiona Barnett, a Google search isn't very flattering. And guess what the title of her book is?

[quote]Better not to marry a cult member to begin with, and even better not to have kids with him.

Absolutely, but perhaps she wasn't completely aware of what she was signing up for.

R69, your comment is pointless without any explanation. Please provide.