Joker: Folie à Deux reviews

Uh o this spells two flops in a row for Phoenix. Napoleon also underperformed critically. The man is a great actor but after the latest stunt with the gay film he might be OVAH soon.

I did not like Joaquin Phoenix in his role as “Joker”.

Love this for both of those insufferable cunts.

The incel contingent won't like this movie either. They like to play contrarian with the critics, especially when it comes to comic book movies, but doubt that will happen here given it's a musical.

R3: I think his late brother was a superior actor and better looking too.

I'll see it, it might be one of those 'so awful it's good' movies.

Yay! Glad to hear it's not doing well in reviews.

I can't stand either of them.

JFC, can’t they write a review without telling the whole story. They list every song snd even what they are wearing.

Wow

R5 What’s your beef with Gaga?

R12 it's just the weird Madonna fans stuck in a time warp.

Hating Gaga is so 2012.

Yet one of the articles I read today said that it had everyone's mouths hanging open by the end, and it was "daring" among other things. Who ARE these people in Venice who give 16 minute standing ovations?

To be clear, I'm talking about a standing ovation for another movie (Maria, I think?), but still.

R14 reviews have been very mixed. There are some absolute raves. And some absolute pans.

Very similar to the first Joker, fwiw.

I think the only consistent critiques have been that Phoenix and Gaga were great.

The preview I saw in the theater a week ago didn't make me want to see it. Just 2+ hours of ugliness, violence and negativity. Why?

How is it similar to the first one? It's a goddamn musical...

I related a lot to the joker character in this first one. Weird, lonely, stuck and emotionally damaged

After the shitfests that were ASIB and House of Gucci, I have no wish to ever watch another Lady Gaga film.

Yup, it’s a turd.

Todd Phillips definitely sucks at sequels. “The Hangover” was brilliant and the sequels were horrible.

So it’s not a surprise to me this sucked too.

Tired of sequels.

R13, lol. It’s you who is in a time warp. You don’t have to be a Madonna fan to be turned off by Gaga. Aside from her obviously appropriating from Madonna, some of us are just unimpressed and turned off by her pretentiousness and her voice. I swear Madonna haters are far worse than Madonna lovers

She was awful in ASIB and House of Gucci. I am done with her as an actress. I actually think she is Madonna level bad at acting.

She really has always rubbed me the wrong way, so she's a non-starter for me in any movie.

She's too hideous to be an actress.

Shocked that these two professional scene-chewers couldn't paste together a watchable movie. Let's blame his hairlip or her moustache.

R It’s a jukebox musical. Yay. What songs are in it.

There could be100 people who pan your movie…

LOLOL R30

I am the Earth Mother and it is a FLOP.

Here is my issue with Gaga:

I do like her. I think she can be good. The problem is she wants to be great too soon. She was good in a Star is Born, but she already wants an Oscar for acting, on her first film, no less. She bites off more than she can chew, as an actress - accents, character work - which leaves her only to chew the scenery. She doesn’t quite yet have the chops for the roles she is given. You see her trying to make every scene important - you see the work.

Not everyone can be a natural like Andra Day and hit Billie Holiday out of the park your first go at it.

She was good in A Star is Born ,six years ago, because she was acting a role she has probably lived before. She has experienced every beat of that movie in her life at some point. At that stage in her career, she should have selected more roles like that, closer to who she is and developed her chops. She’s not bad, she’s just not great in roles that require it.

I still love the scene in A Star is Born when she gets on the stage in front of a large audience for the first time. Out of all of the actors in the scene, who were pretending that they have been doing it for years, she is the only one of them who knows what it really feels like to perform in front of 10k people - yet she had to act as if it was her first time.

[quote] you see the work.

And I can hear it: click-click-click.

You see the work in her acting AND hear the work in her singing

Why we hate Lady Fuckface.

The obscene display of pretentiousness.

[quote]“We made a galaxy of endless colors with only brief, black holes of emptiness that are then filled by each other.”

[quote]“We made love on this canvas on a Sunday in Chicago. We made love amidst chaos. We talked about shootings. We made love amidst terrorism. And we talked about how people’s hearts are suffering all over the world as they watch and witness a swell of violence. We made love amidst violence.”

R37, thank you! Exactly!

This quote is enough to despise her

[quote]I wouldn’t necessarily say that this is actually a musical in a lot of ways. It’s very different...The way that music is used is to really give the characters a way to express what they needed to say because saying it is not enough

Yeah, that's exactly what a musical is

Apparently she sings at least one Nirvana song.

Essentially ripping off that last (actually good) Batman movie starring the Twilight guy.

People liked her when she just sang and wore unusual outfits. Acting is just not her thing.

AGREED r41! Just no no no. If she had it, we would have seen it by now. Waaaaaay overhyped on her acting. However, I usually enjoy her live vocals, she’s fun to watch as she’s the only Liza-esque performer right now.

Outside of her Fandom, isn't she about a decade past her sell-by date?

Lady HaHa cannot act. The reviews praising her are paid by her. I remember that horrible J-Lo movie from this summer praising her acting as Oscar worthy. All payola. Lady HaHa’s acting chops are payola. When I watched HOG I was infuriated how bad she was after being told how good she was. It’s not just her. Payola for praise is rampant in entertainment now.

This movie sounds fucking awful.

Lady HaHa fans are obsessed thinking anyone who hates her is a Madonna fan. They cannot fathom why so many despise this inorganic try hard cunt. She is pretentious to the nth degree. Nobody cares about her music career, so she payola’d everything on acting praise. She and her fans cannot live without the validation of awards. You can see how calculated she is because every single thing she does is done having an award in mind. She knows her fans are some of the weakest minded fragile beings on Earth who would abandon her if not for awards. She wasted how much time on this stinker thinking she was for sure getting an award. She also fucking ugly as hell.

R44, you could’ve worked one more “payola” in your post.

R45 Nah, I made my point. Thanks for the concern, though. 💙

I liked the payola! It’s sooooo true!

R47 It is true and it’s out of control. It’s their money maker. They just lavish praise on celebrities nonstop. I love when they heap payola praise on something and the audience score is terrible. Seeing them get caught is pleasing.

R37 That. Every fucking thing she does is followed by the most pretentious shit imaginable. GD that was hard to read. She’s too thirsty and it is a huge turn off. She is not charismatic and she is not pretty. She’s frankly exhausting.

Good lord. That quote at R39 makes her sound not only pretentious, but stupid as fuck.

We have Lady Gaga’s fiancé to thank for her next pop album

The singer will release the first single from LG7 in October

Little Monster’s rejoice: Lady Gaga is returning with a new pop album and it’s all thanks to her fiancé, Michael Polansky.

Speaking to Vogue for a recent cover story, the 38-year-old spilled some details about her upcoming new music, sharing that the first single would release in October (!), with the album, known only as LG7 so far, coming early next year.

“Michael [Polansky] is the person who told me to make a new pop record,” Gaga said, referring to her fiancé, who she got engaged to in April this year. “He was like, ‘Babe. I love you. You need to make pop music.’”

Her finest hour:

She’s not a good actress.

She’s one of those actors that think emotion is the only part of acting.

I remember watching the movie “Hereditary” for the third time and noticed a scene where Toni Collette walks out of the master bathroom, tosses dirty clothes into the hamper and gets into her bed with her husband. It was so smooth and so natural as if she’d been doing it as a routine for 20 years. I was like wow, that’s acting! I may have not noticed it the first watch but it popped out after a while how brilliant she is.

Gaga only knows the surface level of acting which is if you ugly cry, if you emote, if you’re vulnerable, blah blah blah then it was a good performance and you’re an actor and everyone is going to praise you!

As someone said, you can see her thinking and strategy in all of her roles. It’s so transparent that you’re just watching her trying to get an Oscar.

R44 Usually the general mainstream press get the Oscar buzz wrong and focus on the most famous to stir up Oscar season. Usually Oscars don’t go to the most famous!

Right now they’re talking about Gaga and Angelina and I honestly don’t think either of them will be nominated. They’re just the most famous ones who are looking for Oscar buzz.

I didn’t see the big deal with “A Star Is Born”

Here’s a great examples of 2 divas fighting over who can be the biggest ham in the scene.

Both fight to be on 100.

Lady HaHa is not being talked about seriously for an Oscar.

She should never have been nominated for ASIB. There is nothing noteworthy about her performance. Her nomination is more about the Academy's obsession with Cooper than anything she did.

She ain't getting that Oscar this year. I see her over emoting and I raise her... A NAPPY PUSSY!

I think this will drop like a wet turd. It's now not the zeitgeist.

This sequel should have never happened.

It was a good stand alone film. The film’s ending was nice and ambiguous and still wrapped everything up.

Todd Phillips said something last week about this version of the Joker does not become the Joker we know and he’s not built to be the big villain he’s famous for, I absolutely lost interest.

This movie should have been about his rise to power and instead it seems like it’s just about him being a weak crazy person institutionalized.

I bet she came up with this pretentious title. And a musical? I can hear it now: “A musical. So avant guard. So daring. Awards. Awards. Awards.”

My god the scenes I’ve seen are cringe.

"Toni Collette walks out of the master bathroom, tosses dirty clothes into the hamper and gets into her bed with her husband."

Oddly enough, Nicole Kidman getting dressed for the party in Eyes Wide Shut was the same for me. Just very natural, easy, down to her wearing glasses and wiping herself after she peed.

The genius Mr. Kubrick deserves at least some of that credit, R62.

David Fincher explained one of the reasons why he does so many takes is because he doesn’t want actors to feel brand new in their environment.

Michelle Pfeiffer in “Batman Returns” is another good example. Selina comes home to her little shitty apartment and comes home from work and does her routine. It was so natural. She’s used to being alone. Even when she comes back home crazy, it still feels like she’s lived there for a couple of years.

Those are things someone like Lady Gaga just could not do. She doesn’t have the acting chops for that.

She only knows how to do “big” acting.

[quote]David Fincher explained one of the reasons why he does so many takes is because he doesn’t want actors to feel brand new in their environment.

Rehearsals would do that too. He just wants to be an asshole. It's the director version of 'method' acting

^ depending on the actor's schedule and the filming schedule, r65, long days of rehearsals are not always an option. And he probably thinks of doing retakes as part of the rehearsal process within the timeframe of shooting. If an actor does something brilliant in a full "dress rehearsal" you might as well get it on tape. Kubrick was infamous for doing hundreds of takes.

The Rotten Tomatoes critics and audience reviews are not BAD, more on the lower end of good... IMDB is on the upper end of bad.

I have ZERO interest in seeing this. And probably never will. I liked the first one. Not loved, but liked.

Fuck em!

And I think Joaquin is a CUNT for what he did to Todd whatshisname. So fuck him.

I hope it bombs, I suspect it will have a massive fall off in its second week.

R67 They’re not good. 61% and dropping is not good. The new rule is generally anything under 80% on RT is questionable whether it’s going to be liked by a mass audience. Anything under 70% is going to have a very limited audience who likes it.

works for me R68!

[quote]It was a good stand alone film.

It was a remake of a far superior Martin Scorsese movie called The King of Comedy. There was nothing innovative about it.

If you look at Tod Phillip's filmography, the guy has made absolute shit. There was a reason why this was different and it's because he copied from a genius.

[quote]They’re (RT scores) not good. 61% and dropping is not good

People here often say that all the RT scores are fixed and paid for by studios. If that's so, they need to open up their wallets, pronto. It currently has 44 reviews (from Venice) and there are about 500 reviews to go before it is released.

Here's the studio's problem: The film is reported to have cost $200 million dollars (with about $20 million going to Joaquin). By rule of thumb, the film may need to make $500 million TO BREAK EVEN in its theatrical release.

The previous Joker film cost between $50 and $70 million, and made over a billion dollars at the box office.

R71 They are epically stupid to spend that much on a Joaquin film. Add LG to the mix and they deserve to lose massive amounts of $. She’s barely a music star, she has no charisma, is not attractive, so why would they think adding her will add box office?

I think they’ll pay for massive hype hoping to get a huge opening weekend. Word of mouth will kill this.

Stop hating on Gaga. After all she has done for our community. Gaga is one of the greatest actresses who was a big pop star of all time.

After that Gucci disaster how many more chances is she gonna get?

R74 Fuck off. Gaga is the greatest actress among millennials.

Opening weekend box office will be big (I saw a long-range prediction of $100 million), and then a huge drop in the second weekend as bad word of mouth spreads.

Isn't there often a large divergence between the critics' score and the audience score on Rotten Tomatoes?

R77 Not for really good movies.

R73 She’s done nothing and she’s middling at best. Her music sucks, too.

R78 I’m sick of it. You guys are just Madge super fans jealous because Madge couldn’t act her way out of a paper bag. I love Madonna but let’s be real, Gaga is more inherently talented. Better singer, actress, and more versatile. Madge should be forever lauded for introducing sex into pop music the way she did but she isn’t on the same level of talent as Gaga.

Joker was morbidly fascinating but that was enough.

R79, but Madonna has better songs.

Why does everyone always throw Madonna into the mix?

This poser was a flash in the pan and needs to focus on something (NOT acting) and do something with it.

Perhaps its the commercials for migraine meds. I don't know. I'm just sick of seeing her big schnozz on every goddamn thing.

Stop forcing yourself down our throats, already.

R79 We aren’t going to be baited into your stan wars.

How many ailments has she claimed to have? Migraines, broken hip, fibromyalgia, cancer, psoriasis. She’s middling talent wise and she’s had one true hit song in over 10 years! Features don’t count because she can’t get a true hit without a feature. She’s also old. She’s about to be 40. We’re just not that into her.

[quote]She’s also old. She’s about to be 40.

That's ancient for a pop star, but she might have some good years ahead of her as a character actress. God knows she's ambitious enough. There might be a spot for her in Vegas, too.

How very dare you R83! You forgot her PTSD!

R77 Yes.

The critics score is the percentage of critics who gave it a positive review. A lot of people think 100% means every journalist gave it a 10/10 or 5 stars. It means 100% of the journalists gave it a positive review which means it can range from 3-5 stars.

The audience rating is based on the actors score rating.