Take it from a nonbinary professor: Don’t make students state their pronouns on Day One

Or they can just address everyone by their last name only, like a 1940s newsroom.

[quote] When I stand before my class with my mannish body in women’s clothes, students know the score.

Indeed they do.

[quote]Like clockwork, as we return to school, our classrooms will fall into gender pronoun controversies. The inclusive impulse on Day One is to have everyone in class introduce themselves and share their pronouns

This is not happening. This is all manufactured drama for a teeny tiny sliver of the population. Is he trying to tell us he does this in his classes? Demands students share their pronouns?

Who's the pretty girl in the mirror there?

What mirror? Where?

Pronouns are so 2021.

"correct mistakes"

so creepy

[quote]When someone calls me “he” but seems sincere, I try not to experience it as a “dysphoric moment.”

Author of the LATimes piece is either dishonest or ignorant. No one directly addresses someone using “he.”

How would that work? Student raises hand: “Professor, do he have webpage containing syllabus and reading list? Are he have office hours today?”

Student raises hand: “Professor, love he dress. Where did he buy it?”

Exactly r7

This is a play for power

Normal people should refuse this pro noun game.

[quote] so creepy

If it were only that.

R4 - He looks like the unholy child of Jennifer Grey and Dan Levy. His pronoun really should be it.

When HE cuts off his penis, and actually commits, then I'll call him SHE. Anything less than that is theater.

Send HIM this article.

"Sometimes I later learn that an individual was afraid of offending me, when they wanted to ask me about why and how I live beyond the gender binary."

Sure, guy. People really give a shit about you and your living beyond the binary by wearing a dress. More likely, no one gives a shit, you narsy asshole. People avoid you because they can see you're trouble.

I'm so sick of them nuts.

deez nutz

I'll call someone any mutherfucking thing they want me to call them. But they shouldn't EXPECT me TO KNOW in advance what the mutherfuck that is. And there is NO GOD DAMNED WAY I'm putting my fucking pronouns in my GOD DAMNED email signature. I was called a fucking sissy, a faggot, a queer, and every other fucking thing you can imagine. I fought my whole fucking life to be called a man without having to tell people that I am one. So folks who identify differently can FUCK OFF with that snide implication that I'm hurting them by not doing that. And fuck them again, just for good measure.

These people live inside their own heads with all their crazy jargon and phrases.

Middle class and affluent kids have no real problems and a tremendous amount of guilt and anxiety - an easy way to adopt victimhood is really attractive. A lot of these queer kids who are slumming and screaming about poverty can go back to their parents house in the gated community whenever, if they apologize for stealing their moms xanax or something.

Truth R18. And white males too. Fucking white males have somehow pulled off convincing people that they are more oppressed than black females, as long as they're wearing a skirt. It sometimes feels like an elaborate troll somehow.

Aren't 20-year-old students embarrassed for their 40+-year-old non-binary and genderqueer professors? The very terms were invented by teenagers on Tumblr. Surely the next stage is for young people to drop modish gender labels altogether, dismissing them as being (like Facebook) for "the olds."

Behind the times. Pronouns are out, Palestine worship is in.

And the world goes round r21

It would be refreshing if this guy actually "identified as" a cross-dressing man and told his class as much: "The fact that I enjoy wearing women's clothes in public does not make me neither male nor female." This same guy using he/him pronouns could likely ruffle some feathers and get some people to think, as opposed to toeing the non-binary line and attracting the usual stunning/brave compliments/eyerolls, depending on your POV. He could inform people that "I am expanding the bandwidth of what masculinity can be" or some such nonsense.

it's a fad r23. Don't put too much thought into it. This generation is almost out of academia.

R19 cut the crap with this anti white racism. It gets really annoying, you people make more and more people vote right. Because you can not just replace one bigotry with another and think it will be ok.

And it is upper and upper middle class white liberals both male and female who are obsessed with victimhood and want to claim some for themselves.

White males make the World Go Round.

[quote] And white males too. Fucking white males have somehow pulled off convincing people that they are more oppressed than black females, as long as they're wearing a skirt

STRAIGHT white males.

Figures it's a Canadian cunt.

R19 middle class and upper class poc do the same thing, they obsess over an issue like white boy dreads or some other so-called microaggression and try to elevate it to being as harsh as poverty or something else. the concerted effort by the corporate media to push identity politics is purely about redirecting people away from class warfare.

Colleges and universities are NOT requiring students and faculty to identify their pronouns. Where it applies is voluntary.

R4, always with the scarves.

Absolutely R29. Privileged POC are obnoxious too and just love to play victims. When they start blabbing about microaggressions they deserve macroaggression.

R32 I wouldn't go that far. I bitterly condemn racism and bigotry. The silly, misguided behavior of college kids isn't worthy of that reaction.

Oh sure, but the undisputed Champion of Victims is Prince Harry. Like no other.

A solution in search of a problem. I'm weary of editorials such as these, working overtime to create a buzz.

R33 a few slaps on the muzzle would be very good for them.

One time recently I had to go first in a left wing/progressive space self-introductions circle thing with 30 people and was told to state my name and my pronouns. So I gamely said "he, him". But then ALL the others after me, 1 by 1, said "all pronouns" or "any pronouns", making me look like an uptight binary tool. I was not an insider to this group and I didn't get the memo that in this clique there's this whole performance of making people say their pronouns and then everyone says "all pronouns." Apparently they do all that so in case there might be a trans person who wants a specific pronoun that doesn't match their appearance.

It's all so weird and cognitively dissonant, and so fucking tiresome. Also I agree with the professor even though you all seem to hate them for being trans. Don't make students do that on Day 1 and preferably don't make them do it at all.

Miss Manners has answered this issue in multiple columns. I like this one: "The emphasis on suiting pronouns to identity has to do with tolerance and acceptance. Therefore, Miss Manners trusts that those who expect these virtues will also practice them. That means there should be a reasonable acceptance of the nearly universal (with the exception of successful politicians) problem of remembering names correctly, and tolerance for the difficulty, now, of the correct pronouns. It should not be assumed automatically that mistakes are — well, not mistakes, but deliberate derogatory judgments."

Miss Manners is not answering the question under discussion—whether people in a group should go through an introduction ritual in which each explains his, her or their pronouns so that anyone whose pronouns require explanation does not feel that there is a burden placed specifically upon them. I suspect if Miss Manners were to address this question, she would agree with me that such an introduction ritual seems like a tremendous bore, and that it serves no purpose beyond virtue signaling.

R37 What dicks! Fuck them. I assume you are, in fact, a man, so yeah, make them use your obvious pronouns. I don't do that shit in my email signature at work, the only people who do are the people who you would expect to do it. And no one cares.