German elections: far-right AfD on brink of political earthquake

If they didn't import so many Muslims, this wouldn't be happening.

It is 100% Muslim immigration.

If your country lets 8 out of 9 gang rapists go with no prison but a woman who calls them disgusting pigs spends the weekend in jail you have serious problems.

Their export-oriented economy has slowed down substantially recently, as many of us have been predicting it would for decades at this point, and it's happened smack dab in the middle of a centre-left government's tenure. So naturally the people are spooked because their inherently faulty economic policy isn't shitting out magic anymore, and are now looking at alternatives. Still, I'm surprised just how little it took for them to embrace the Nazis again. Guess I was wrong about the Germans having learned their lesson.

Of course, the usual suspects on DL will just blame this on immigration. Just as they had in the run-up to Brexit.

Posted before seeing the first two comments. Case in point beautifully made for me by two economic analphabets.

Sausages McGee would be better off serving us drinks.

What a rancid comment r4. Do you think it's fine and dandy for a country to let rapists go with no punishment except for the woman who accurately calls them pigs?

[quote]Of course, the usual suspects on DL will just blame this on immigration.

It is absolutely immigration from Muslim countries.

[quote]Of course, the usual suspects on DL will just blame this on immigration.

No Doll, it's the Germans blaming this on immigration.

[quote] Their export-oriented economy has slowed down substantially recently, as many of us have been predicting it would for decades at this point, and it's happened smack dab in the middle of a centre-left government's tenure. So naturally the people are spooked because their inherently faulty economic policy isn't shitting out magic anymore, and are now looking at alternatives.

Thuringia and Saxony have never really been part of the successful German economic system. Beautiful as they are, and rich in history, they have nevertheless remained poverty-stricken since reunification, with a dwindling population as young people head for better prospects in the West German states. This has been the case for more than 3 decades, and it is only now that the people are turning to the far right. Why now? What has changed?

[quote] Of course, the usual suspects on DL will just blame this on immigration. Just as they had in the run-up to Brexit.

This is 100% due to immigration. Angela Merkel made a unilateral decision to change the demographics of the German state without consulting the electorate and without even paying much heed to parliamentarians (including her coalition partners) and thereby destroyed the faith which millions of people had in the Bundestag and in the mainstream parties.

If mainstream parties ignore the most fundamental concerns of the electorate, who will the electorate turn to?

If only those knives weren’t going around stabbing people on their own.

It’s Germany—there’s always some “outsider” group that’s FORCNG them to turn to fascism.

I've spent some time in Saxony (Dresden) and, as beautiful as it was, I was shocked at some of the things people would blurt out. The issue is that, like most countries behind the Iron Curtain, DDR never had the same reckoning with the events of its recent past (as West Germany did) once the Soviet troops marched in there in 1948. That mindset is still there, not on the surface, but it can manifest itself in subtle ways. And the reunification, in its triumphalism and the naive belief that the switch to Western capitalism will make those things go away, never attempted to rectify that. It's a common problem in a lot of former communist Eastern European countries: anti-communist sentiments aligned themselves with what was there before the Russians arrived: collaboration with nazis in WW2, anti-semitism, virulent nationalism, etc.

If only the German state could reach some kind of final solution to deal with all those dirty Mooslims, am I right R9?

Spain will be next with Vox and it is 100% Muslim and African inmigration the reason why it going to be like this. The left just doesn’t learn, it is like if they are totally disconnected from the people and living in their own invented realm.sadly, gays will pay the price. The left just don’t understand and are not adapting to the new era of information in which right wing media reign supreme on YouTube, X, TikTok, pretty much all social media is pure right wing information/ misinformation and propaganda. I have never seen so much anti immigration channels on YouTube from Spain, as I see it now, and they are all pro Vox and many are actually from gay YouTubers. As an Spanish citizen I want to know how bad Vox could be for gays, as I don’t live in Spain, I do know that it is a Conservative Party and I have heard and read from the knews that it is anti gay. However, that is not what my gay Cubans friends who live in Spain tell me about Vox, and from the comments on Youtube, many gays seem to lime Vox. They say that Vox is not anti gay. My friends in Italy say the same thing about Meloni. But what is the left doing to anger Spaniards so much? Well they are doing pretty much nothing to stop Islamic and African inmigration, and instead they are opening up centers all over Spain to distribute them at the expense of the tax payers. The president of Spain just recently went a few days ago to Mauritania to offer more than 200 000 jobs in Spain to these people thus incentivizing immigration.

What is going on with the Left???? Aren’t they seeing what is coming up?

And is not all immigration, as there are a huge number of Latinos in Spain, it is specifically Islamic and African immigrants what Spaniards do not want.

Right wing media are blaming women, feminism, woke and gays for voting for these pro Islamic parties all over Europe making it seem like gays are Marxists and communists.

Kamala will win this election and American gays will be better than ever but gays in Europe in the next 20 years will see a very ugly picture.

[quote] It’s Germany—there’s always some “outsider” group that’s FORCNG them to turn to fascism.

No, clearly there isn't. This is obviously something new, and something is making this happen now. What do you imagine it is r11 if not Muslim immigration and the belief that those immigrants represent some kind of threat? Or is your answer some version of "sudden eruption of anger and bigotry for no particular reason" and if you yell at everyone enough to just stop all the bigotry, it will all simmer down.

On the other hand, the immigration itself and pro-immigrant policies aren't coming out of nowhere or because evil malevolent politicians just feel like bringing a bunch of foreigners in, just to piss off the locals. Isn't there a demographic crunch? Somebody's got to do the shit work at the shit wages, and there just aren't enough locals to do that?

Turks were brought into Germany in the 70's because of a labor shortage.

The neonazis/AfD should reveal their special plan to counter the massive employment issues that would result from kicking all the immigrants out.

Any real political enthusiast should have seen this in 2016 when the Syrian crisis sparked a new wave of reactionary movements across the west. Doubling down on a suicidal immigration policy and refusing to accept that Islam isn't compatible with liberal values brought Germany this corrupt clown party.

I lived in Berlin for most of the 2000s and there was always a visible far-right presence. Similar to R12, I was often shocked by the overt racism, even from friends who seemed otherwise liberal. This is unsurprising to me - the eastern parts of the country have always been known to be a neo-Nazi stronghold.

R15, the article itself explains that the rise of the far right actually has many causes. A lot of it seems to be due to the East German-ness of this whole area. Voters are upset with Germany’s support for Ukraine and have a huge chip on their shoulder about being looked down upon by other Germans.

[Quote] If they didn't import so many Muslims, this wouldn't be happening.

[Quote] It is 100% Muslim immigration.

Oh I guess that’s why neo-fascism is on the rise in the USA too.

Fascists have always used fear of the Other to frighten people into supporting them. Remember?

Back in business-Heil Hitler-Trump FOREVER! yeah nazi’s-what ever…

R20 It's more complicated than that obviously but haven't you seen the fire rises or the enormously popular propaganda movies the right wing was producing at that time? It spread like wildfire on the American right online. 4chan every day was posting threads with the video files telling you to spread them everywhere.

They’ve imported the third world and are paying the price.

[quote] It is 100% Muslim immigration.

Well, duh. Europe is a shithole thanks to importing those barbarians.

The Nazis are now the Muslims. Same ideology. They want you dead.

[quote] This is 100% due to immigration. Angela Merkel made a unilateral decision to change the demographics of the German state without consulting the electorate and without even paying much heed to parliamentarians (including her coalition partners) and thereby destroyed the faith which millions of people had in the Bundestag and in the mainstream parties.

[quote]If mainstream parties ignore the most fundamental concerns of the electorate, who will the electorate turn to?

Bingo!

Nobody cares. They don’t capacity to start another world war anymore

This all could've been easily prevented throughout Wester Europe but the tone deaf governments couldn't curtail third world immigration. It's their own damn fault.

R16 in my planet do you live????? Are you from this world? You are so naive, sweatheart, the right want to change the law so as to stop granting citizenship to foreigners and only issue temporary work permits.

R29: English motherfucker, do you speak it?

R30 yes, but only by 85 % , the rest is gibberish.

[Quote] The Nazis are now the Muslims. Same ideology. They want you dead.

Thank you for the bizarro world look at life as you support the literal opposite in Gaza, Matt. You cheerlead for the murder of tens of thousands of people who are Muslim and who YOU want dead, because they happen to be living on land you want.

The Zionists are today’s Nazis. But then you give us your doubletalk upside-down reality explanation, your gaslighting.

Wrong r32. Muslims are completely intolerant of liberal/Western values, hence the chaos in every Western country and refusal to assimilate.

BTW this Matt person hasn't posted on DL in at least a decade, as well as the Davida person you nuts are also obsessed with. Who even knows if they're still alive.

Listen to you, Matt — what would you say if I told you Jews have to assimilate or die?

The vast majority of Muslims that live in western countries are good citizens and live in harmony with their neighbors. Neo-fascists are no different than the Nazis vilifying Jews as a way to take power, and their Zionist allies do it to make their mass murder and ethnic cleansing of Muslims more palatable in the west.

[quote] The president of Spain just recently went a few days ago to Mauritania to offer more than 200 000 jobs in Spain to these people thus incentivizing immigration.

Nice try R14 but Spain doesn’t have a president.

Again, for the cheap seats — fascists use fear of the other to take power. In Europe the other is Muslims and in the USA the other is immigrants, blacks and democrats.

That didn’t make it true. If you claim the neo-fascists are right that makes you a neo-fascist yourself.

r34 keep fucking that chicken.

This is a very real problem with Muslims in the West and it's only going to get much worse. They have their own region of the world. They don't need to infest the rest of the world with their Medieval bullshit.

[Quote] The vast majority of Muslims that live in western countries are good citizens and live in harmony with their neighbors

You are a fucking moron. They have a literal mandate to establish a global caliphate you nonce.

And once they do, they'll throw all the fags off the highest roof. They HATE you and are biding their time. People like you is what gives them the ability to advance their agenda in the west. Lefty crusaders who care more about their own suicidal ideologies than the societies that actually accept them and should be protected against cults like Islam.

[quote]R8: No Doll, it's the Germans blaming this on immigration.

So they vote accordingly. But fear of immigrants is being posted and amplified on their social media by the usual suspects, and that includes Russian troll brigades.

Ever noticed how anonymous far right trollsocks constantly post negative stories here on the DL about sexual, ethnic, and religious minorities, trying to convey the general impression that they're deviants, criminals, and all-around undesirables, that they represent a constant, clear and present danger to everyone else? And how there's certain media outlets (NYP, Fox, etc) which lend themselves as resources to these kinds of claims. upon which they rely? There's a general recognition that, statistically speaking, these cherry-picked incidents are not prevalent, but media amplification offers the false impression that they are. These kinds of social media troll influencer games are played on a much more intensive, grander scale across the US, the UK, Europe, and Germany specifically, and that's how a situation like the AfD sweeping their polls obtains.

^^oh shut up you bloviating ignoramus.

Bless the hearts of DL posters who are certain there are bot farms in Vladivostok concerned with sabotaging a handful of middle-aged and elderly cranks on a legacy chat board with a few dozen readers.

R14: I'm surprised that your friends in Italy would deny that the Meloni government is anti-gay. Its homophobic policies have been criticized by human-rights organizations and activists.

[quote]Gay rights activists on Tuesday denounced as homophobic moves by Italian Premier Giorgia Meloni’s far-right-led government to limit recognition of parental rights to the biological parent only in the case of same-sex parents.

[quote]The city of Milan has been told to stop officially recording both parents in same-sex couples on city registers. It had been the last major city in Italy to be doing so. Earlier, a smattering of administrations had briefly embraced the practice of recognizing both parents regardless of sexual orientation, but they all stopped following instructions from the central government.

[quote]The piece of bureaucracy is key to recognizing parental rights for a range of everyday situations like authorizing medical treatment or participation in class outings. The president of Rainbow Families, Alessia Crocini, said the move exposed the Meloni government’s homophobia.

[quote]“This government is the maximum expression of homophobia,’’ she said. “Meloni says that for a child to grow up well, they need a mother and father, even if decades of research say otherwise. It is insulting to hundreds of thousands of families with two same-sex parents.”

For R14:

T42 you are right, in fact I can’t stand that bitch. But she seems to be liked by some gays. I’m not Italian, all I can say is what my friends tell me about her on WhatsApp.

UH-OH. This sounds like it could be a speech from today.

[quote]R40: ^^oh shut up you bloviating ignoramus.

R1, R7, R28, R33, R37, R40, R41.

Plus at least one sock operating in tandem (R38).

Ad hominem is an admission that you don't have an argument, tantamount to a concession. You cannot answer the link I provided, so you're lashing out. Plus, Muriel has already confirmed that paid Russian trolls are here, so your claim at R41 is a non-starter.

[quote]R33: BTW this Matt person hasn't posted on DL in at least a decade, as well as the Davida person you nuts are also obsessed with. Who even knows if they're still alive.

There is no way you would know any of that unless you were the troll(s) in question, so your claim is deeply suspect. You've said it before, and it's amusing to see you repeat it. But for my own part, I don't give a damn whether he's trolling here, out Doordashing, or busking in some town square somewhere. That is irrelevant. The claims are rubbish, regardless of which troll is repeating them.

Germany is under attack by disinformation warfare.

𝐊𝐫𝐞𝐦𝐥𝐢𝐧 𝐭𝐫𝐢𝐞𝐬 𝐭𝐨 𝐛𝐮𝐢𝐥𝐝 𝐚𝐧𝐭𝐢𝐰𝐚𝐫 𝐜𝐨𝐚𝐥𝐢𝐭𝐢𝐨𝐧 𝐢𝐧 𝐆𝐞𝐫𝐦𝐚𝐧𝐲, 𝐝𝐨𝐜𝐮𝐦𝐞𝐧𝐭𝐬 𝐬𝐡𝐨𝐰

Marrying Germany’s far right and far left is a Kremlin goal, according to a trove of Russian documents reviewed by The Washington Post

DL is not accepting a posted link to the article, so I offer the title so it can be looked up.

[quote]This all could've been easily prevented throughout Wester Europe but the tone deaf governments couldn't curtail third world immigration. It's their own damn fault.

In fact. And that created a vacuum and as a result, enter the far right.

The societal problems created by mass immigration from Muslim countries are real.

[quote]A network of accounts flooded social media with disinformation in the run-up to the European Parliamentary elections a new report has found.

[quote]It reveals that organised networks of thousands of accounts, which the researchers believe are of likely Russian origin, actively influenced public opinion on X in France and Germany during the elections while voters in the Netherlands, Italy and the English-speaking public were also affected by the troll networks.

[quote]The research also found that German political party AfD received a huge boost thanks to the troll army. At least 10.7% of the tweets about the AfD came from the disinformation network.

[quote]The network focused mainly on spreading pro-Russian propaganda, messages about anti-vaxxers with anti-vaccination narratives and anti-LGBTIQ+ messages.

EXACTLY r46 and r47. But Russia doesn’t even need to be involved here, tbqf. Neo-fascism has been lurking in Europe like a cancer in remission for decades. Memories of, well, YOU KNOW, have kept it on the fringes.

The recent Muslim immigration wave into Europe gave them what they needed to step forward. The Muslims are their “Juden.” Now they have a scapegoat to fill people with anger and hatred. So, like our racist troll Defacto does here with blacks, they relentlessly exploit every crime or incident of culture clash to distort the perception of Muslims.

Most African Americans are good citizens and productive, law abiding Americans but you wouldn’t know that if all you read was the drumbeat of negative stories our Pittsburgh troll posts here. It’s no different with the Muslims and the neo-fascists in Europe.

The saddest thing about this is how rightwing gays support neo-fascism here and on other social media outlets. Just wait until neo-fascism prevails. Wait until you see what they have in store for us. As far as they’re concerned, we’re in the same basket as immigrants, Muslims and blacks and will be similarly dealt with.

[quote]There is no way you would know any of that unless you were the troll(s) in question, so your claim is deeply suspect.

You are one strange, strange, man. And paranoid beyond belief.

^^^ Ironyproof, Matt

r50 it's not the same thing. Islam has been on a war with the West for 1500 years. It's amazing how many Westerners don't know their history. This is a most serious issue.

Exactly r48. And so many otherwise intelligent people are completely blind to the fact, or willfully ignorant.

I’ve forgotten more about European history than you’ll ever know, r53. Who was the commander of the Saxon contingent at the relief of the siege of Vienna in 1683? You don’t know, and I know you don’t know.

That attack was the last great effort by the ottomans — not “Islam” — to take new territory in Europe. Since then it’s been European Christians attacking Muslim lands. These are the facts but it won’t stop you from spouting neo-fash propaganda — you’ll be back here spreading falsehoods because that’s what you people do.

[Quote] The societal problems created by mass immigration from Muslim countries are real.

You are spreading fascist propaganda. The fascists are the real threat to European civilization, not the immigrants.

[quote]Now they have a scapegoat to fill people with anger and hatred.

If you think the problem with Islam in Europe is just a fantasy created by Russia...you know absolutely nothing about the situation.

"Local officials will get extra powers to fight radicalism and social problems will be tackled"

r55 it was General Sobieski.

And we're talking about the modern world. Just look around Europe. How any gay person can condone Islam is mind boggling.

I've said this before but if Muslims were lily white Anglo Saxons, Western liberals would have no problem whatsoever telling them to go fuck themselves, as they do with Evangelical Christians every day.

How Islam became the pet of the Left is truly a story unto itself. They are not your friends and never will be.

“You are spreading fascist propaganda. The fascists are the real threat to European civilization, not the immigrants.”

This is exactly what the Left is saying, not only that according to a lefty politician in the Spanish parliament, the ones assaulting and stealing are not the immigrants but Amazon, google, Walmart, etc all the companies in Spain. This was part of her actual discourse on the parliament.

The pro Muslim immigration want you to think that the people voting for these right wing parties are all fascists however they are in reality normal working people, and many of them even voted for left parties in the pasts.

Any one that says that Muslims are not a real a source of violence and crime clearly ignores the daily assaults with knives perpetrated by these Muslims in countries were this kind of acts were not common.

In countries such as Spain, they are even more emboldened and open acknowledging that they want to destroy western civilization and that they will get back Andalucía, the region known as Al Andalus that they conquered and stole from the Visigoths. They are all over social media openly and brazenly declaring their objectives and plans for Europe abd yet the Left want people to take it slightly, like no worries they will integrate,

The funny thing that many of these white Americans that call Europeans who oppose Muslims inmigration fascists, wouldn’t even live in a mostly Hispanic or black neighborhood in the US, let alone in a Muslim one.

[Quote] [R55] it was General Sobieski.

You googled, you guessed, you lost. It was Johann Georg III, elector of Saxony. He commanded the left wing at the relief effort.

[Quote] And we're talking about the modern world.

Make up your mind — first you’re telling me that Islam has been attacking Europe for five hundred years, and I’m an ignoramus for not knowing that, then when I correct you, you run away from your own argument.

[Quote] I've said this before but if Muslims were lily white Anglo Saxons, Western liberals would have no problem whatsoever telling them to go fuck themselves, as they do with Evangelical Christians every day.

Actually if they were white, and show all the stereotypes you claim they do, then rightwingers would love them, as they do evangelical Christians every day.

[Quote] They are not your friends and never will be.

I know many Muslims. I have Muslim colleagues who have become friends. They are the nicest people you’ll ever know and are incredibly gracious hosts. You need to stop spewing fascist propaganda and expand your horizons a little.

Sorry r60. General Sobieski led the final decisive victory against the Ottomans at the walls of Vienna in 1683.

[quote]Make up your mind — first you’re telling me that Islam has been attacking Europe for five hundred years, and I’m an ignoramus for not knowing that, then when I correct you, you run away from your own argument.

I said no such thing. I said Islam has been at war with the West for 1500 years. Perhaps I should have clarified by "war" I mean a clash of civilizations and they have always hated Europe. They have a mandate to make the world a Caliphate. Islam is always hostile to other cultures.

[quote]Actually if they were white, and show all the stereotypes you claim they do, then rightwingers would love them, as they do evangelical Christians every day.

I said the Left would hate them and tell them to go fuck themselves. You're correct that the Right would probably love them if they were white. Since they are as intolerant and hostile as Evangelical Christians are to liberal and classically Western values.

[quote]I know many Muslims. I have Muslim colleagues who have become friends. They are the nicest people you’ll ever know and are incredibly gracious hosts.

And if my aunt had a dick she would be my uncle. Good for you. But your personal friends are not indicitave for Muslims as a group, the effects we see in Europe every day. Read r59's post. He explains it very well.

We can sit here on an anonymous fourm and go back and forth all we want, but the reality of what is happening with Islam and mass Muslim integration into Western Europe is extremely serious and troubling.

Greg is a CUNT.

As a lifelong American citizen, I have enough to worry about. No offense, Germany.

[Quote] Sorry [R60]. General Sobieski led the final decisive victory against the Ottomans at the walls of Vienna in 1683.

Can you read, Matt? I asked who commanded the Saxons. You gave the wrong answer because you actually know very little about European history. You only know what distortions serve your racist narrative.

[Quote] I said no such thing. I said Islam has been at war with the West for 1500 years.

Liar. You said “Islam has been on a war with the West for 1500 years.” On a war with someone is not the same as at war with. It’s synonymous with making war on. Most of the last 400 years has been the west and Zionism attacking Muslim people, not the other way around. As usual, you victim blame, because you want to soft pedal your genocide in Palestine.

[Quote] I said the Left would hate them and tell them to go fuck themselves.

Do you ever not beg the question? For your argument to make any sense, we would have to buy into your Zionist defamations of Islam and Muslims. You sound no different from the tsarist propagandists who just expected us to believe Judaism is a cult of thieves and rapists.

[Quote] But your personal friends are not indicitave for Muslims as a group, the effects we see in Europe every day.

You and Defacto use every bad act by a Muslim person (or a black person) to argue that every member of that group is evil and must be destroyed or rejected. I have indicated that you’re a liar, because I am many like me know Muslims who are good, decent people. You really don’t understand that? You seem not to, based on your absurd reply about your aunt having a dick. Muslims being decent people isn’t like your aunt having a dick, retard. Don’t you know any Muslims? Are you a shut in?

r64 you are insane. If you can't recognize the threat that Muslims in Europe present, you are willfully ignorant. And your anti-Semitism is all one needs to know about you, really.

Again r64, read r59's post. Funny you haven't attacked him.

Oh by the way r64, I am not this Matt or Defacto you're obsessed with. If you read my posting history you'll see I'm a lifelong resident of CT/NY.

Thanks for playing, though!

[quote]Do you ever not beg the question? For your argument to make any sense, we would have to buy into your Zionist defamations of Islam and Muslims. You sound no different from the tsarist propagandists who just expected us to believe Judaism is a cult of thieves and rapists.

Wow, you are just all over the place grasping at everything.

^^^ Proving poisoneddragon’s point, for the millionth time, Matt 👏

[Quote] Again [R64], read [R59]'s post. Funny you haven't attacked him.

Sorry Matt, I’m not a shut-in on permanent disability so I don’t have time to post here 24/7 like you do, replying to you or your socks 🤷🏻‍♂️

r69 you're not making any sense. Aren't you and PD the same person?

We're waiting for your response to r59's post.

Reading comprehension isn’t your strong suit, is it Matt?

^^^ the goofiest fascist!

Again with the Matt shit? You are nuts. Talk about ad hominem attacks. Loser.

What exactly makes them far right? Are they building ovens or something. Specifics please.

Shouldn’t you be watching Bedknobs and Broomsticks and taking your meds, Matt?

The solution to this is really simple. The Left just needs to get over this absurd love for lax immigration policy. While they aren't thinking about it in the most enlightened terms, it's not racist for the poor, working class to be upset about migrants and illegal immigrants flowing across the borders and shit like that. The far right would not be so attractive to people across Europe right now if the Left would just givee up that one issue. Certainly that's worth it to them to avoid a far right future.

what exactly makes them far right? Isn't far left more accurate when describing the immigration problem?

Mary Poppins, is better, R77!!

It's not just about Muslims people. Read this document produced by the AfD if you dare, it's as long as a Hitler speech and immigration is a but one issue amid the right-wing make Germany strong again boilerplate. How gays can be defending these fascists beggars belief.

How will gays fare in this sovereign, heavily militarized Germany? Why, the word homosexual isn't written once, although I might have missed it. What we have is the policy of support for traditional families and prohibiting criticism of traditional gender separation of duties. Mothers are exalted and should be 'encouraged' to stay home. Abortion will be criminalized although it's put in slightly softer language. The relentless imperative to produce more German babies is truly a blast from the past. Needless to say, gender studies will not be allowed in new Germany.

Most of the sections are standard boilerplate nationalism, calls for an end to corruption, anti-EU Grexit threats, pro private enterprise, direct Democracy, while government interference in social areas is strong. Compulsory military service and no restrictions on gun ownership.

Most of this is the same old noxious propaganda that was stinking up the world long before the Muslims could be scapegoated without sounding insane.

it all sounds good to me

R82 Unfortunately you're not alone poopsie, that's why Trump might win.

[quote]The funny thing that many of these white Americans that call Europeans who oppose Muslims inmigration fascists, wouldn’t even live in a mostly Hispanic or black neighborhood in the US, let alone in a Muslim one.

Muslim immigrants in the United States are, by and large, much better educated, more motivated, and more ambitious than many of the Muslims who immigrated to Europe. They also tend to be better assimilated. The former group generally had to jump though a lot of hoops to get there (and also have more resources), as the U.S. has much stricter immigration requirements, while many of the latter are there because their fathers or grandfathers were brought in as guest workers. A huge number of Turkish immigrants (and their forebears) in Germany, Belgium, and the Netherlands, for example, are originally from the Anatolia region (full of notorious pussy hounds/big Erdogan supporters), which is considered by Turks to be one of the most backward parts of the country.

To the poster(s) who keep(s) seeing "Matt" everywhere: he has a *very* distinctive writing style (grim, obsessive, humorless, repetitions), and it is not in this thread.

*repetitious, sorry

R81Actually reading through that, I'd say that the majority of Europeans would be in favor of the document's proposals.

BTW: many of the proposals world be considered progressive in the US.

Islam isn't what it was decades ago before the US and Russia poured billions and trillions into the pockets of the most extreme cults they ever had.

r81 that document is actually quite sensible and progressive. Your right-wing fearmongering is really tiresome.

Just "billions and trillions"? Why not bajillions?

Maybe they’ll be the non genocidal far right

Muslims are pretty shitty people at any class.

[quote]that document is actually quite sensible and progressive. Your right-wing fearmongering

I'm not fear mongering you crypto fascist Maga shitbag. Go live in Germany if you think it's going to be so progressive with traditional families the only government approved arrangement, gender separation of duties, mandatory military service, the inevitable second class citizenship of gays and women- the homophobic jokes of the scumbag rightwing leaders. You're such a racist moron you don't even care that immigration can be restricted without dragging a country back to the bad old days. If you're actually gay I would seriously LOVE you to join the party. I heard they had two gay members in 2015 but one got disillusioned and left. It seemed the homophobia was a little much, in spite of their more progressive policies. Fuck YOU.

Oh STFU r92. Many of those policies would be considered progressive, as r86 said.

6.2 Larger Families instead of Mass Immigration 40

6.3 Increase Support for Families 41

6.4 Effect of the Demographic Crisis on the Economic Outlook 41

6.5 End Discrimination of Full-Time Mothers 42

6.6 Support Single Parents, Boost Families

These are all quite sound investments in a country's future.

I'm sorry you're such a bitter, angry misanthorpe but you can just wallow in your bile.

Mandatory military service was party of Germany until 2011. Males were required to serve. It was a good program that taught responsibility, various skills and a sense of personal achievement. Latvia, Lithuania and Sweden still do it.

Yes, Sweden. One of the most liberal and democratic nations on Earth.

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r92 do you even know any Germans? Have you ever been to Germany? They would all think you're fucking insane with your ramblings?

Believe me, Germans don't need a bitter old angry queen in his basement in flyover America telling them how they should structure their society.

I would fuck those two Frenchies in r95's link six ways to Sunday.

Baise-moi fort!

r92, r86 said the same thing I said before I posted at r88. Why didn't you attack him? And why haven't you attacked r59's post, which is factual information?

You're a pussy and a coward. Loser.

[quote]Believe me, Germans don't need a bitter old angry queen in his basement in flyover America telling them how they should structure their society.

It's called Democracy. People will vote and decide how they want to be governed. Americans a famous for trying to teach others how to live. Americans don't get the fact that these are cultures with a long history, their own customs, traditions, way of life. Their cultural identity is important to them.

I didn't even see R86 post, and you're the one accusing me of fearmongering, as if we're changing hearts and minds of hundreds here on DL. How dare I frighten the children!

[quote]You're a pussy and a coward. Loser.

Hahaha. You're so brave with your worn out anti-immigration schtick. You got real delusions of grandeur little mouse.

[quote]You're so brave with your worn out anti-immigration schtick.

See what R100 does? Wanting a sane immigration system that truly benefits society is "anti-immigration". They are idealogues. Propagandists.

‘’ I have no doubt that you Heir Zeller will be the entire trumpet section’’

Historian Timothy Snyder (an expert on Eastern and Central Europe and WW2) has described very well (including in his book "On Tyranny") how authoritarian, antidemocratic parties gain power. He explains that, while in the 20th century dictators used military might to seize power, in our century the battle is fought at the mental and cognitive level. You can see the blueprint for that in Hungary and Russia: it begins with an election victory, after which autocrats gradually attempt to shift what is considered "normal." It's a process in which your vote counts a little less each time. Poland managed to turn things around in the last election, but the United States, for example, is one election away from a meaningless next election. A country like the Netherlands might have another two or three elections to turn the tide.

AfD is farther to the right than Spain's Vox, the Sweden Democrats, and Wilders's PVV party in the Netherlands.

Read "How Fascism Works" by Jason Stanley (which looks at Hungary, Poland, Myanmar, and the U.S.), "How Democracies Die" by Steven Levitsky and Daniel Ziblatt, or Maria Ressa's "How to Stand Up to a Dictator."

Here's the thing: We don't have a migration problem.

We have a muslim problem.

Don’t any of you shut ins have Muslim friends?

I’ve worked with a lot of Muslims all born in different countries. They were pretty much alll assholes except for the female African ones I’ve known.

[quote]Poland managed to turn things around in the last election

By less than 1 percentage point.

And they were only able to win because they are now for a stronger border and opposing illegal immigration.

And example: this Tusk. His statements here are in line with the far-right:

[quote]it begins with an election victory, after which autocrats gradually attempt to shift what is considered "normal."

That is also the playbook of the far-left.

[quote]R108: That is also the playbook of the far-left.

What 'far-left'? Which 'election victory' did you have in mind? Which 'far-left' autocrats?

R109 The objective of the far-left progressive is social change. Duh.

That would be the objective in an election victory.

[quote]it begins with an election victory, after which autocrats gradually attempt to shift what is considered "normal."

You're avoiding the questions, R110.

[quote]Thousands of social media accounts promoted pro-Russian propaganda and conspiracy theories

R49 Could you please provide links to these thousands of social media accounts promoting pro-Russian propaganda and conspiracy theories? It would be interesting to see what all the fuss is about.

R112 just go click a youtube video and scroll down to the comments dumbass

[quote]What 'far-left'? Which 'election victory' did you have in mind? Which 'far-left' autocrats?

I wrote nothing about election victories or "far-left" autocrats.

I was responding to this comment: : "it begins with an election victory, after which autocrats gradually attempt to shift what is considered "normal."

The OBJECTIVE of the far left is also to gradually attempt to shift what is considered "normal."

[quote]just go click a youtube video and scroll down to the comments dumbass

A YouTube video? There are millions of YouTube videos.

Show us some examples. Specifically what videos? And what comments are unmistakably from Russian trolls? How do you disquish them from average citizens with their own viewpoints?

Thanks in advance.

The scary far right , previously known as right leaning nationalists.

Scary scary

[quote]R112: Could you please provide links to these thousands of social media accounts promoting pro-Russian propaganda and conspiracy theories? It would be interesting to see what all the fuss is about.

It was a quote from the link I posted at R49. Click on that link and apply yourself a bit more assiduously to what it says, and you may find an answer. Or you can Google it, since the "thousands of social media accounts promoting pro-Russian propaganda" are currently the subject of investigations and lots of articles.

Fetch your own water.

R114 (same user), you're still dodging. You were attempting to bothsides the statement, and I called you on it, and you're coming up empty.

[quote]Click on that link and apply yourself a bit more assiduously to what it says, and you may find an answer. Or you can Google it, Click on that link and apply yourself a bit more assiduously to what it says, and you may find an answer. Or you can Google it, since the "thousands of social media accounts promoting pro-Russian propaganda" are currently the subject of investigations and lots of articles.

The article provides no links to websites supposedly seminating Russian misinformation.

[quote]thousands of social media accounts promoting pro-Russian propaganda" are currently the subject of investigations and lots of articles.

I'd like to see them. Google provides no answers.

[quote][R114] (same user), you're still dodging. You were attempting to bothsides the statement, and I called you on it, and you're coming up empty.

You've set up a strawman argument.

See the post at R114 and R110: "The OBJECTIVE of the far left is also to gradually attempt to shift what is considered "normal.""

Oh...and please answer the question at R115.

You wrote: "just go click a youtube video and scroll down to the comments dumbass"

There are millions of YouTube videos.

Show us some examples. Specifically what videos? And what comments are unmistakably from Russian trolls? How do you disquish them from average citizens with their own viewpoints?

Well?

Thanks in advance.

You're avoiding answering what you've been asked, R120, and you keep diverting to trying to set posters fetching water for you, which is the laziest form of trolling. That's nobody's job.

^ LOL. Nice try

In France, Rassemblement National's Jordan Bardella has been hugely successful with young people on TikTok with his clean-cut looks and telegenic manner. Yet his party, which also has broad appeal among the working classes, voted *against* raising the minimum wage in the Assemblée Nationale, *against* indexation of wages and pensions, and their promise to abolish VAT (sales tax) on basic necessities has been shelved, as has their proposal to reverse Macron's raising of the state retirement age to 64.

I do believe angry voters in Europe should be approached with empathy and taken seriously without condoning or glossing over their perceived racist or radical-right views, but some of the more right-leaning DL posters appear to willfully ignore or downplay the genuinely illiberal policies of the parties they seem to champion, easily dismissing this as "all bark and no bite." I think there's too little awareness of the tools the likes of Viktor Orbán and Giorgia Meloni have at their disposal to undermine democracy within a relatively short space of time. Look at Fratelli Italia's (Meloni's party) recent initiatives to restrict the freedom of the press at national TV channel RAI:

R123

Meloni is by far the most popular leader of a major European country.

Her approval rating is 57%. Compare that to Biden's.

And polling shows her party more popular than the others. And growing.

Re: The RAI. It's the State TV. How did you feel when the RAI was under the grip of the left for so many years?

R123 Do you realize how lame that article is?

An example: regarding the RAI, it starts with:

"The starkest episode came in February, when TV execs’ botched effort to silence pro-Palestine singers"

Oh please.

Meanwhile, this is the USA:

Why are you defending Fratelli d'Italia, R124/R125? You're on a gay site and you approve of Meloni's anti-gay policies?

R126 Defending her? Everything I've written are simply facts.

Exactly, r81. We have on this forum Zionist gays who are so fanatically one-issue that they will race to support anything that paints Muslims in a bad light, knowing that will make their appalling behavior in Palestine less unpalatable to relatively-unaware Americans.

But by supporting the claims made by AfD and other neo-fash movements, they are, perhaps quite literally, digging their own graves. Our homegrown fascist, Donald Trump, backs Project 2025, and we all know how that addresses same sex marriage. Do we honestly think it’ll stop there? That’s just the foot in the door. Equal rights and anti-discrimination will be next.

And after that? Once representative government is de facto suppressed and the rightwing state grows, do we really think it’ll be safe to be LGBTQ+? To have liberal/progressive beliefs?

I love Girogia Meloni. She's the Italian aunt who feuds with the entire family at Christmas dinner, makes fun of their Catholicism and follows you out to the garage to bum a smoke after her third glass of prosecco.

"Don't tell Uncle Frank I'm smoking again. The fucking stugots thinks I quit."

[quote]Exactly, [R81]. We have on this forum Zionist gays who are so fanatically one-issue that they will race to support anything that paints Muslims in a bad light, knowing that will make their appalling behavior in Palestine less unpalatable to relatively-unaware Americans.

Go to your beloved Gaza and see how much Paletinians LOVE queers.

Islam is no friend to gays.

"Waterbury was lovely. Beautiful. Nice place to raise a family. Good schools. Then the mulignans discovered it and it all went to shit. We couldn't move to Wallingford fast enough. Wallingford's nice, I would've preferred Naugatuck, but Uncle Frank wanted to be closer to the casino at Foxwoods. Fucking stugots. You goin' out to the garage for another cig? I'll join you. Sorry I keep bumming. You know what? Let's go down to Cumby's. I'll buy you a pack. You need to drive, though. This prosecco is really hitting me."

Quaint, R131 — but your auntie Giorgia would prefer for you not to be visible, not to ever marry and certainly not to ever adopt childrn.

R132 Even Italy's left never approved legalized marriage.

r132 she wants biological parents on birth certificates, not adoptive parents. Makes sense.

Muslims have their own region of the world. They don't need to infest the West with their bullshit Medieval garbage religion which is openly hostile to everything Western Civilization stands for.

[quote]I’ve worked with a lot of Muslims all born in different countries. They were pretty much alll assholes except for the female African ones I’ve known.

There are no creatures more entitled than Arab/North African males.

[quote] Even Italy's left never approved legalized marriage.

And it seems like you don't either r133. Are you a fascist?

[Quote] Go to your beloved Gaza and see how much Paletinians LOVE queers.

[Quote] Islam is no friend to gays.

And like clockwork one of them posts exactly the kind of vomit I was talking about.

Imagine if in 1944 I posted about how the Nazi assault on the Warsaw ghetto was genocide, and some German American said, “why don’t you go live with your beloved Jews in the Warsaw ghetto? Judaism is no friend to homosexuality.”

[Quote] I’ve worked with a lot of Muslims all born in different countries. They were pretty much alll assholes

Imagine if someone said the same thing about Jewish workmates. It would be World War III. But zionos have so normalized Islamophobia, people read garbage like I just quoted and shrug.

r138 Israel got attacked and hostages were taken. Palestinians aren't innocent victims like Jews in the Holocaust. That is an apalling analogy.

The argument r140 makes has been made and refuted here ten million times. R140 wants you to forget everything that happened before October 7, 2023. I guess all that doesn’t matter because it was jews doing it to Palestinians, so who cares? Just look the other way.

Look at it this way? Would r140 look at an attack by the French resistance on the Germans as an “appalling tragedy?” Justifying the murder of entire French villages in “retaliation?”

And I’d argue what happened, and is still happening, to the Palestinians is much worse than what happened to the French 1940-44.

Fuck with Israel and find out.