Two documentaries about Lacie Peterson coming out on Netflix and Peacock

Of course Scott is guilty AF.

[quote]Lacie Peterson

Oh, dear.

Did new evidence come out or did jurors admit to behaving badly during the trial?

He's a member of the Murderers of Pregnant Wives Club.

Peterson, Capt. Jeffrey MacDonald, Charles Stuart, Chris Watts, and more!

It’s funny, in some ways that feels like it was yesterday, but in other ways like it was a million years ago.

I just started watching the Netflix one. Laci's parents at the beginning were saying how concerned Scott was and how great he was. It will be interesting when Amber the mistress info comes out...

Scott had a fat chipmunk face, he actually looks better now slimmed down. Laci was so perky and her friends would get on my nerves, but it's nice they are loyal to her.

What is the obsession about telling these stories over and over and over … I have to force myself to watch the latest Karen carpenter movie, but that’s an homage to my ongoing but well controlled eating disorder

I miss Larry King Live. I worked 2nd shift and I would often come home and watch his show, he used to have a lot on this and the OJ trial.

Dean Cain has the definitive version, IMO.

He's so hot. I hope he gets out.

Is he in one of those country club prisons or is he in one of those prisons where you get raped in the showers?

r5 That is super funny

OP you're having quite the conversation with yourself here

R14 I was commenting while watching. So what?

Yes or no on Scott having a big dick? Did that whore Amber ever give details?

Scott probably would've gotten away with it if Laci's body hadn't washed up.

The Netflix documentary was a snooze fest. This was always such a boring story with a boring killer, I’m not surprised it almost put me to sleep. Scott is just so dry. Michael Myers has more personality than him.

Just finished it. I was riveted. His sister and sister-in-law are so delusional, so deep in denial that it’s beyond diagnostic.

I didn’t learn too much more than O already knew — but that. It about his whew-whistle at the end of Sharon Rocha’s voicemail took my breath away.

He’s as guilty as fuck.

[quote] It about his whew-whistle at the end of Sharon Rocha’s voicemail took my breath away.

What?

Is there even any evidence in his favour?

The evidence against him is damning. He buys a new boat, tells no one, said he went for a trip to a marina 90 miles away on Christmas Eve, leaving his pregnant wife at home, whose body is eventually found near said marina.

I actually think the physical evidence is pretty weak. It's always the behavior (afterwards) that makes them look guilty.

I read the book Blood Brother by his sister, who he lived with after the murder. I think they're half- or step-siblings. Anyway, she thinks he's guilty.

His sister-in-law (wife of his brother) is in love with Scott and devotes her life to getting him out of prison. It's not natural to get that invested in a BIL unless you're in love.

R21, Has a mistress. Dyes hair and attempts escape to Mexico.

I remember clips of her right after she disappeared. Laci seemed sweet but exhausting. Always on and hyper, hyper.

Not saying she deserved to die and Scott is a scumbag psychopath.

Laci was the frau of fraus. Horrible what happened to her, but living with her must've been a Live Laugh Love nightmare.

She fell in love with his looks. She met him as a customer at a restaurant where he worked. She went home and told her mother she met the man she's going to marry.

The bottom half of his face is unattractive.

He told her he didn't want to have children and she married him, anyway. According to Lacie's mother, who seems like a decent and solid person, Scott changed his mind.

I do think he killed her.

[quote]This was always such a boring story with a boring killer

Never been interested in crime stories in general but I did watch coverage of this, OJ Simpson and Jodi Arias because I was bewildered that people who had a way out actually murdered someone instead of just getting out of the relationship. These three had good lives with a lot of opportunity yet they squandered it all by doing something very evil that would affect the victim's loved ones for the rest of their lives. How could they kill someone they once loved? Even if they don't care about anyone but themselves, how could they ruin their own lives by risking life/death -row prison sentences? So I listened to the trials...and ended up still not understanding it. Guess that level of narcissistic pathology is incomprehensible to anyone other than experts or the murderer himself.

You always think "why didn't they just get a divorce?" But that's what normal people do, it's impossible to understand what goes on in the mind of somebody like Scott Peterson.

The Innocence Project has really lost a lot of credibility for taking this case, imo. There are plenty of unjust convictions they could get behind so I genuinely don’t understand why they would get involved with this one.

Picked up by the cops with thousands of dollars in cash and photo identification belonging to his brother

[quote]said he went for a trip to a marina 90 miles away on Christmas Eve, leaving his pregnant wife at home, whose body is eventually found near said marina.

He initially told neighbors he had been golfing all day, then eventually changed it to the fishing story. Probably realized it would be too easy to disprove he was on a golf course all day. Wonder how his sister-in-law explains lying about that.

Meloni is watching it

Momma's Mussy is too lazy to watch this mess but she'd like to know if Scott is ripped and working out 24/7 in prison. That is, if he hasn't received the hot needle yet. 😮‍💨

R31 Ah yeah I forgot that he switched his story. Like you say, it's clear his original plan was to tell everyone (including the Police) that he was golfing all day, so that the Police wouldn't think of looking for Laci's body where it was eventually found.

But yes, it would have been too easy to prove him wrong, as there'd be no eyewitnesses. Plus presumably they have ANPR in the USA (where Police can track where a driver has been based on their car's plate passing cameras), hence they'd have been able to prove he went to/near the marina.

I can understand him protesting his innocence (many murderers do) but I can't understand his family backing him. I know it's horrible to think a close relative is a murderer, but when the evidence is stacking up, it's then pure denial to keep refuting it.

There was also the part where the cops who took him back from San Diego to Modesto told him his wife's body had been found, then they stopped at an In n' Out Burger for some food - he was quick to tell the cops what food he wanted. This is a man who was supposedly completely innocent of his wife's disappearance - finding out she and their unborn son are definitely dead. Instead of being incredibly upset and nauseous, he was happilly asking for burgers, fries and Coke. I mean...

I think he killed her to save face and not be that awful husband dumping a pregnant wife but he's also a psychopath. I do wonder if he killed her in a fit of rage though. Was there any indication of an argument? I don't remember all the details.

I’m r5. I watched the doc on Friday and Saturday. Laci’s mom said essentially the same thing I did.

Both families were so close and affectionate, there was no way he could leave Laci and be with Amber. It would have ruined his status as baby boy in his family and “great guy who married Laci” in her family.

He would be hated by everyone on Laci’s side and a disappointment to everyone on Scott’s side. So he needed her to just disappear. Everyone would feel sorry for him. Then, after giving it enough time, he could say he had met a nice girl with a little child in Fresno while on business, and seek an anullment of his marriage to Laci.

Lots of wishful thinking in that scenario but it seems to me the best explanation of his plan. You can see how being the doted-on baby of the family warps your impression of reality and what you can get away with.

Ironically, Laci’s murder shows just how deep the love of Scott’s family is for him. He’s as guilty as can be — it can be seen from space — but his family absolutely refuses to believe it and in fact his sister or sister in law became a lawyer just to work on his case. If he had just left her, they would have stuck with him 100%. And Laci would have been fine. She had a big circle of friends and family who loved her.

In my first two paragraphs above, I was conveying the way Scott probably saw leaving his pregnant wife.

I loved when the detective described Scott talking “in that voice of his” — I laughed out loud in recognition. Yes, that kind of pervy monotone mumble.

It reminded me of the way Jared from subway talked when recorded discussing molesting children.

R32. Bare? Oh dear, Mr. Meloni

Her pregnancy & his soon to be fatherhood triggered this & sent him over the edge.

Sadly, she married a sociopath who had the “nice guy” schtick down to a T, and those are the most dangerous types to deal with, because you have no clue who and what they really are, unless you’ve dealt with one beforehand. Even then, another one can sneak past your red flags and boundaries, but once they strike, it’s too late because they will beat you, or strangle the life out of you and dump you in a marina.

Poor girl.

She nor her unborn son stood a fucking chance.

Wanna know what a monster looks like? Google search Scott Peterson’s photo. They hide among us, and do it WELL.

MARY!!!

I’d eat his ass.

The media banged the drum to have him executed for ratings, now they want him let out for ratings.

R35 I don't think he killed her in a fit of rage, given he seemed to plan it a couple of weeks in advance.

The police said he likely strangled her because he knew that leaves no evidence of a crime, given there's no blood. Plus if he did it when she was asleep there wouldn't even be any signs of a struggle in the house. So the cops could search the house to their heart's content and would never be able to prove she was killed there.

He likely thought he was smarter than he was. If he'd had the boat for longer than a couple of weeks and had already been out in it a few times his story would have been more plausible. But as others have said, it was pretty clear he didn't want to be a father and, as she was 8.5 months pregnant, he knew he had to do it soon. Creepy bastard.

He told her he wasn't interested in having children. She was dickmatized. IMO, he LOOKS cheesy and slimey. Handsome, yes (top half of his face; bottom half looks like it's falling apart).

NO, she didn't deserve to get murdered. But you can't make someone into Prince Charming just by sheer human will.

R34 he actually wanted a vanilla shake with the burger and fries not a coke. The friends all with their feet on the couch under their asses was a weird set up. Curious if it was direction to give off a gal pal vibe or they are just that deliberate while being interviewed. I feel bad for how it ended for her but those friends and the aggressive perkiness would have been a lot day in and day out.

R46 I think, like a lot of dumb young women, she thought he'd change his mind once married and settled into domestic bliss. An older wiser woman would know Scott was a fuck boy, not a husband. I've noticed a lot of young women still think they can change men. In a game of Fuck.Marry.Kill, Scott would be a Fuck then Kill.

Domestic violence is the number one cause of death of pregnant women. These new abortion laws are a real boon for the true crime community

R27, You've read about OJ and don't know he WAS divorced from Nicole?? OJ couldn't quit her.

Because he was insanely jealous. He would go to her house to spy on Nicole, on at least one occasion we know of seeing her "pleasure" a date.

That is what tormented OJ, with obliterating the source his only "way out," as he perceived it.

Hence, the murders, obvious crimes of passion against both Nicole and Ron, whom OJ probably assumed was another lover invited for a sexual liaison.

I didn’t have any problem with the gal pals but one thing I did find annoying was when they asserted that she had somehow willed her body to be found. I hate that kind of magical thinking. She wasn’t willing anything. She ceased to exist as a person on Christmas Eve.

That waterlogged torso wasn’t willing anything to happen.

So gross, by the way. I guess stupid Scott tied an anchor to each limb, not thinking about the long term effects of water on the human body. I assume her torso broke loose of the anchored limbs and floated off. He seems to have dumped her overboard dressed, so it might have been hard for crabs to eat her. There are lots of crabs in the bay.

R45 A smarter murderer also wouldn’t have immediately declared she was missing.

Does anyone know if she got pregnant because they talked about it and he agreed, or she unilaterally removed herself from birth control?

R51, yes, when this crime actually happened, I fell down the rabbit hole and learned all about anchoring bodies in water, and you are exactly correct. The body gradually disintegrates, so if you are tying anchors to limbs vs the torso, there will eventually be a separation of the limbs as the currents and decomposition separates the limbs. Ashes to ashes y’all! It’s gross but also kind of beautiful how we return to the earth.

The other even more morbid topic this documentary didn’t touch on was Conner. Apparently, when a pregnant woman is disposed of in water, as the body fills with gases into a huge balloon, the body “gives birth” by basically exploding, so a fetus is released. The reason I’m sharing this graphic detail is that when the bodies were originally found, many of the public wondered if he had somehow hurt Conner (people were just speculating because they had no idea how these things work, how would you?). I can no longer recall if Conner was found first or her torso.

There was a lot of missing information in this doc, though I still enjoyed it. For example, they didn’t point out that putting those 3 large outdoor umbrellas in his truck bed was designed to camouflage her body. They didn’t get into enough about how he cleaned the house, and that the bed had the impression of a body on the covers (did he just kill her on the bed?). They didn’t talk about how she always, every single day, had their curtains open, but the day of the killings they were drawn closed — no one had ever seen them closed! I also recall reading that he had Amber’s address in the car when they arrested him (unless I’m confusing it with another case). They definitely could have fleshed it out much more, though I realize the average viewer doesn’t geek out on these details like I do lol.

R54 Do you know if anyone in his family turned against him?

If I were Amber Frey I would have been afraid he’d kill me, too. She was pretty brave!

These Netflix "documentaries" leave a lot to be desired. The one about the staircase (the other Peterson - Michael) was made by a woman who was fucking Michael Peterson.

There's another documentary "Tell Them That You Love Me" that is probably a fair representation of what happened -- if you are discerning enough to weed through the presentation.

To make it more "interesting," Netflix twisted up the timeline and made it unduly sympathetic to this woman child molester. (She wasn't really a child molester, but she was secretly fucking a 30 year old guy who had the mental capacity of a 2 year old. Also, she was engaged in some kind of bogus "Facilitated Communication" that was not even admissible as evidence in court. This was not emphasized (the sham science) in the "documentary." She also had a teacher-student relationship with this guy.

It’s uncanny how much he resembles Dean Cain, who made a more convincing Scott than he did Superman.

That is perfect casting.

Is Scott partially Asian? He looks it.

R55, he has a sister who publicly turned on him and the entire family.

His parents are pieces of work, it’s a toss up on who is most revolting, his father or his mother. The mother was abused and neglected, raised by cold nuns if memory serves. She called Sharon a fucking bitch, they HATED Sharon with the heat of a thousand suns. I believe the parents know he is guilty, they just don’t think he deserves “this treatment” and they likely tell them that Laci was awful. The sister believes they know he did it, of my memory is accurate.

Scott is a true hardcore sociopath. His mother may be one too, maybe the father as well, they are that sick as a family. He doesn’t understand real emotion, he pretends to have emotion in order to fit in. I felt really sorry for the sister that these were her people. Nothing worse in life than realizing your family are monsters and that you have to cut off all contact, it’s not the natural order to do that. I know for myself this is true.

Scott's mother died years ago.

[quote]I felt really sorry for the sister that these were her people. Nothing worse in life than realizing your family are monsters and that you have to cut off all contact

I think that sister hadn't known the family very long. She was given up for adoption by Scott's mom and had only recently found her in a desire to reconnect. Interesting that the only seemingly decent person in that family was the one who wasn't raised by and around them.

His family uses denial as a mechanism to also survive this, R62.

They know who their son is & what he is as well, but it’s likely that it’s unbearable to accept that this is their son’s & their family’s legacy.

Sociopaths destroy everyone around them, including their siblings and parents.

Yeah but getting a law degree so you can try to get him out of prison is a little over and above surviving it.

Scott made those anchors he used to weigh down Laci's body so the crime was definitely premeditated.

If he'd buried her and her body was never found he probably would've gotten away with it.

Wasn't his future defense attorney on Larry King Live laughing about how absurd Scott's story (of going fishing on Christmas Eve with his 8-month pregnant wife at home) was?

r52 that was my first thought too. Wouldn't you call around to her friends or ask a neighbor before you jumped to the conclusion she was missing. Normally you would say "she's not home and I don't know where she is" instead of saying she was MISSING.

We know a family where the husband killed the wife. His parents never denied it like Scott's parents though. I feel bad for them, I was with my mother out for supper and they were there and my mother whispered loudly "that's the parents of Doug who killed his wife" and I know his parents probably heard. I tried to shush my mother but she is hard of hearing to begin with and a gossip, ugh.

Luckily my Peter is too slight and too famous to ever do this to me! Sometimes it is cheaper to keep her!

I also thought Scott was more classy, didn't realize he was a fertilizer salesman. I can see why he wanted to escape the drudgery of his life but obviously he should have divorced Laci not murdered her. But he wanted to be seen as the good guy widower.

He also wanted that baby dead. wanted to be single and free to mingle. amber had a child and he was okay with that, though.

[QUOTE] Scott's mother died years ago.

Good.

Wait, what’s the evidence that Scott’s family are awful? Because they defend him? Isn’t that natural?

They tried to help him leave the country with cash and a fake i.d. after the affair was revealed, and according to a another post, his sister-in-law got a law degree to try to help him get out of prison. Pretty awful, not natural.

Wow, if one of my sisters did something like this they would be "dead to me". No way would I help them run from the law or try to fight the charges! Screw that. Scott's family are horrible people.

I thought Amber Frey was exceptional. As she said, she wasn't a mistress, she had no idea he was married. She took a lot on working with the police and she did it very well.

I found the life preserver over Conner's crib one of those weird, creepy coincidences, a clue from beyond in plain sight, like when the image of a fetus came on the TV in the background when Christopher Watts was at his neighbor's with the cop watching the driveway security camera video. It wasn't as if the Petersons lived in a beach community (90 miles from the coast) or had maritime hobbies, except that he bought the boat to dump her body.

It must be extremely difficult to come to terms with the fact that your son or brother is a sociopath and killer. Especially when they are the smarmy, obsequious type that excels in sales and marketing. Still, eventually when faced with the evidence you would think you would wake up.

[quote]It’s uncanny how much he resembles Dean Cain, who made a more convincing Scott than he did Superman

You can watch The Perfect Husband on YouTube

[quote] I think he killed her to save face and not be that awful husband dumping a pregnant wife but he's also a psychopath.

Better to look like the husband who murdered the pregnant wife.

^^^He, like most murders, really believed he could get away with it.

I really respect Sharon Rocha. She seems like a normal person.

I already watched the Netflix one. I also watched A Perfect Husband the Scott Peterson story with Dean Cain as Scott. Talk about perfect casting! The movie was really good and tracked well with this new documentary. What I found fascinating in the Doc was them showing all the things they used as evidence in the trial, and how, when they arrested him, he was clearly trying to leave the country. The guy seemed really off. Someone said he was a classic sociopath.

R75 here with a correction...Scott's family helped him try to flee the country after his wife and baby's bodies were found, not after the affair was discovered. Even worse.

Scott's family seems dysfunctional as hell. Gotta wonder if psycopathy runs in the family.

I was confused when they showed a copy of her "State ID" card in the first episode. Did she not have a driver license?

Scott and Chris, especially Chris, had such passive vibes. Like it was easier to kill their wives than just say no. To having children or to having more children or whatever the problem was.

The other thing that’s weird is with Scott he didn’t want to be seen as being a deadbeat husband or shitty man for leaving his pregnant wife, right? But if you go to any thread on Reddit where the discussion is sociopaths there are always plenty of self-declared sociopaths who basically describe themselves as immune to the opinions of others. Completely indifferent.

[quote]It must be extremely difficult to come to terms with the fact that your son or brother is a sociopath and killer. Especially when they are the smarmy, obsequious type that excels in sales and marketing. Still, eventually when faced with the evidence you would think you would wake up.

R78 I think it stems from that 'keeping up appearances' mentality. People like that are concerned with what others think and therefore consider it better to maintain their family member's innocence.

Take social gatherings for example. If they acknowledged Scott is guilty then he essentially becomes a banned subject at such gatherings and if anyone raises the subject by accident, much awkwardness ensues. However, by maintaining his innocence, any time he comes up in conversation they can blame the Police, Laci's family, almost anyone else. They then become the victims and the subject of sympathy, which is much better than the alternative.

Going to law school just to defend a sociopathic murderer is really next level crazy.

But maybe he wasn’t worried about “how he looks” and instead it was strategic. As in, he thought perhaps she would aggressively come after him on child support and he just didn’t want to pay.

Huh? Is that a better reason?

I was shocked when I saw in the Doc his web searches for the tides and currents. And he was doing this stuff shortly after he bought this boat on December 9th. I also didn't know/realize that he had some kind of office and storage place where he kept the boat and they showed these big umbrellas he used to camoflauge the body after he loaded his boat. I remember back when this was going on wondering how he could have got the body out of the house and into his boat assuming it was on some trailer in the driveway, or parked at the marina where he would have been seen. But it was in his warehouse/storage space, so he was able to back his vehicle into the place oad the body and then put the big umbrellas on top to hide it. The Doc showed how he made anchors for his boat, etc. All of this information was new to me. See I had this theory that on Dec 23rd evening, she found out he had an affair, and they argued and maybe he pushed her and she hit her head and died. So accidental. Then he panicked and covered it up. But the documentary has so much detail it proves beyond any doubt that her death was premeditated. It also came out that he told her he never wanted kids. Then she gets pregnant and all of a sudden he is glad . THere was lots of footage of him, and the activity around the search, and the cops building their case. I highly recommend the NEtflix Doc.

Right. Doing life in prison/getting the hot needle is a great alternative to child support/divorce. Genius!

I always got Laci Peterson and Stacy Peterson confused. Even if both cases happened 5 years apart.

I think the last time two documentaries about the same exact subject came out at around the same time was when they covered the Fyre Festival.

They always seem to come out in twos/maybe threes. Gypsy Rose had multiple movies, docs, specials, reality shows, etc. Same thing with the Candy Montgomery story. How many times can one listen to the same story? One usually does a better job presenting the details.

[quote]Right. Doing life in prison/getting the hot needle is a great alternative to child support/divorce. Genius!

These assholes never seem to realize that. Paying alimony/child support for a period of years is a helluva lot better than spending the rest of your life in prison!

This was right before cameras became ubiquitous, as well as GPS. Today his entire route to/from the marina would've been captured on multiple security cameras/traffic light cameras and the GPS on his truck would've also had the whole route.

It's impossible to get away with a crime like this today. OJ Simpson is another one who would've been busted in five minutes.

R97 I was just talking to some friends about that. There's going to be some Ringtone camera catching you pass by, even in the most rural area. And people are DYING to turn over all they've got, especially if it'll get them featured on some ubiquitous true crime documentary. Add GPS, smartphones running location permissions, AI/DNA advancements and the rest and it's nearly impossible to get away with ANYTHING these days. Imagine in 5-10 years?

r98 It's amazing how much technology and forensic science have advanced in such a relatively short amount of time. It's pretty much impossible to get away with murder these days, you wonder why people still do it because they're going to be caught in five minutes and go to prison for the rest of their lives.

Remember when Scott was at Laci's vigil and simultaneously on the phone to Amber pretending he was in Paris? What a genius. They got him by cell signal triangulation. He couldn't call her later?

Yeah, Scott seemed happy as a lark after Laci "went missing". Hosting dinner parties, inventing stories to keep stringing Amber along, messing with Laci's family when they called...was really in his element and seemingly celebrating his newfound freedom. There HAD to be signs of creepiness in this guy beforehand. I haven't seen the documentary but seem to recall that Laci's family couldn't say enough nice things about him as a husband (before she went missing, of course), and I think there was even a story about him helping an old lady cross the street when he was a teenager. Not sure I would have bought his act. Then again, maybe his type of evil just doesn't show up until...it does.

R93, Obviously Scott, as with other pregnant-wife murderers*, saw his choices as Divorce-Alimony-Child Support vs FREEDOM.

*I still suspect Pastor Davey Blackburn as one.

I could never understand the audience approval of the killing of the pregnant Alex in "Fatal Attraction."

R102, Alex boiled the bunny. And was se really pregnant or did she just say she was? Michael didn't kill Alex. His wife did.

Scott didn't divorce Laci as he couldn't afford child support (and possibly spousal) and live the free single life he was hoping for. He only made abour 50 grand a year.

The book "A Deadly Game" by Catherine Crier is the best one about this case. She spells it all out and leaves no doubt about his guilt.

What is Modesto like as a town?

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[quote]Scott didn't divorce Laci as he couldn't afford child support (and possibly spousal) and live the free single life he was hoping for. He only made abour 50 grand a year.

Compared to spending life in prison, it's not too bad.

I know this was years ago but how did they survive on 50k a year in CA? I'm surprised they could afford a house. I definitely think financial strain was a big part of this. I'd ask why she didn't work too but from what I've read she was primed to be a hausfrau from girlhood and didn't seem to have ambition to be anything else.

[quote]from what I've read she was primed to be a hausfrau from girlhood and didn't seem to have ambition to be anything else.

Bingo! Laci had no ambition, she wanted to be a wife and mother and be taken care of by a man.

I'm sorry she died and Scott Peterson is a monster but when you're stuck supporting someone who has no ambition to work and earn their own money and all they do is spend your money it's a tremendous burden.

$50,000 in 2002 was decent money, especially in Modesto. WTF are you guys talking about.

That's why I asked R110.

Laci did work. I never heard she was a housewife. She did fancy herself a Martha Stewart type but Petersen married her. Something about that must have appealed.

R109, And just why is raising human beings from helplessness to adulthood while simultaneously providing a haven, complete with meals, cleaning, and sex, for an adult male the equivalent of "no ambition"? Is HE not seeking "being taken care of" and "supported"?

Who said your narrow definition of "ambition" to mean only "to work and earn money" is the only definition?

He leaves the house to go do stuff; she stays in the house to do stuff (except when she does not, as she must shop for provisions, often do school-related excursions, etc.).

If a man wants neither family nor spouse, he is free to work and do everything else pertaining to his daily life by and for himself.

I wonder if Scott has some girlfriends on the outside. He still looks decent if that picture in R106 is accurate. Who's keeping his canteen account funded?

[quote]R7 Scott had a fat chipmunk face, he actually looks better now slimmed down.

He should be thanking us (We, the People) for putting him away (where he’d work out more) rather than whining that he should be let out.

He’d just get fat again.

He looks so Dallas Buyers' Club in those jailhouse interviews. Yikes.

Didn’t he decapitate her as well?

No that happened in the water R117.

R100 "Remember when Scott was at Laci's vigil and simultaneously on the phone to Amber pretending he was in Paris? What a genius. They got him by cell signal triangulation. He couldn't call her later?"

I went to much of the Scott Peterson trial held in Redwood City. The prosecution was absolutely brilliant, and this is the type of detail that was presented and elaborated on. At the end, when the prosecution was presenting closing arguments, he went over all these details and at the end said there was no other possibility than that Scott killed Laci.

Below is a link to the transcripts.

This was a fascinating trial! I also went to the trial of the guy who killed his wife, a Palo Alto music teacher, who blamed his wife's "those goddam red shoes" which she supposedly tripped on and fell down the basement stairs. (The Fitzhugh case)

"He came back here with the same lies." ("The Heiress")

The "burglars" just happened to dump Laci's body where Scott had been in his boat that day. Riiiight.

You Helen Kellers who think 51-year-old Scott looks like anything other than a Skidrow derelict are pathetic!

Prison: The Uxoricide's Ozempic.

Obviously, the "burgerlers" that murderered his pregnant wife were also coincidentally stalking him, made him cheat on her, and decided to frame him for her murder, R121.

These stories really haunt breeders, don't they? They sleep with one eye open certain their spouse wants them dead.

I thought Laci was going have her own restaurant?

He murdered her. The end.

R126 Laci and Scott had their own restaurant. They sold it.

If I've already seen one of the countless other documentary series about this case, is there any reason whatsoever why I'd need to watch either of these two? Or were these just made to rehash old shit for Gen Z to consume?

R129 if y ou have any curiosity or interest in true crime docs, or this case in particular, then watch the NEtflix one. It's very good. I also intend to read the book that was suggested up thread.

If that is indeed Laci's blood on that mattress in the burned out van, that would blow the case right up. He totally did it though.

It isn’t her blood, why would you post that???

Hey, r125, wanna know why?

It’s “Laci.”

We've seen it all before.

I just watched the Netflix doc. 3 parter. There was new information and especially new recorded phone calls between Scott and others. For instance, Sharon Rocha leaves him a message early on when cops find something in the SF Bay. Turns out to be an old anchor. Scott listening to the vmail lets out a whistle of relief. It was fucking chilling.

I recommend the doc to anyone who followed the story at the time or has an interest in true crime and how these SOBs operate.

I think it's likely that Laci was the ambitious one. I think that opening their small diner right after college was her idea, and at some point in her life she went to culinary school in Paris. She was probably just taking time off during her pregnancy to get everything ready. My take on Scott was that he didn't have a solid identity. I can't believe I can remember this but I think he brought champagne to Amber on their first date and put a strawberry in each glass, which sounded like something he learned from Laci. He may have imitated her socially. Laci may have lied to herself about the kind of guy she actually had, and hoped she could guide their marriage into an interesting, cultured life. Even though he was a fertilizer salesman in Modesto, maybe he was able to play along until things "got real" when she was pregnant and his insecurities about his own identity heightened. Amber was a more ordinary person who looked at him adoringly for being a handsome guy with a steady job who was interested in her, and maybe he realized how much more comfortable he was with an less sophisticated person who thought he was a big deal and who would be content with a simple life. None of this, of course, leads to murder. That's on a whole other level and all about Scott's pathology that, as I mentioned above, probably only experts and he himself can understand.

They say it like a gotcha moment when Scott whistled whew when Laci's mother said it was an old anchor and not Laci's body they found, but Scott could claim he was so relieved it wasn't Laci's body because he wants her to be found alive.

These Boobs Were Made For Fucking.

Correct r138. We all KNOW what his whistle meant, but defense lawyers would be able to twist that in a minute. But it’s still quite interesting when you add it to the pile — as the jurors said, it was only when you saw the totality of the evidence did you realize, this fucking guy killed this girl. It’s for sure. Is his father still alive? Both parents were evil incarnate.

I bet Nancy grace still fingers herself when she thinks about this case.

R137 In other words, you think Lacie was asking for it.

R141, here's the deal. There's just too many of these cases.

R142 I don't think R137 is implying that. Yes there's a contrast between Laci and Amber. Based on how Laci was described, she was bubbly and outgoing, and seemed to have a real appetite for life. Scott OTOH seemed almost robotic, showing very little emotion,not animated at all. Maybe when they met, Laci sort of took him under her wing and thought he was shy. I do feel like she was t he dominant person in the relationship. And she made a lot of assumptions about Scott. I mean, who knew he was a fucking Sociopath, right. Who knows?? People who met him said he was really nice. With all the the attention on Scott during the trial after it, etc. I don't recall any of his long time friends, family, classmates, etc saying he acted strange. He seemed to go along with things quiet, nice guy. So a lot of people just made assumptions based on how he presented himself. I think that's a very keen observation about the strawberry in t he champagne. Among other things Amber already had a kid. He had told Laci he didn't want kids. He also said that to Amber. Amber was fine with it because she had a kid.. IMO it wasn't just Laci's ambitions, it was her personality. Her energy. He seemed like the introvert to her extrovert. He was always in her shadow. Amber would never draw attention to herself or outshine Scott. In the NEtflix doc, I listened to the phone calls of Scott with his brother, and honestly that whole family may have been a bit off.

You summed that up nicely, R144. And no, R142, I did not mean that at all. Of course the murder wasn't Laci's fault. I was addressing the posts that thought she married Scott so she could stay home and be a housewife. I described her as ambitious and threw out the possibility that Scott was kind of acting out his part because of a possibly unstable identity (just guessing). In no way was that defending him or casting aspersions on her. When I saw coverage of this story back then I felt very sorry for her and her family and thought Scott was a monster.

I once dated a guy who appeared really nice and easy going, accommodating, and thoughtful. I was the one who always came up with ideas, who always wanted to try new things. I never used paper napkins at our special dinners, I'd prepare something and set the table and make things very elegant, etc. and I just had a way of doing things, my tastes and interests, etc. until one time he just blew up and I realized he really resented me and bottled up his feelings, and he thought he was making me happy at his own expense. So boy, did I misread the signals. We both decided we were just too different in what we expected from the relationship and broke up. Now I did get a lot of hang up phone calls for a period of time. As I thought about it he was kind of weird. So I imagine that's how Scott was only much worse?

How could they live in CA on only 50k? Even 20 years ago that wasn't a lot of money to fund a middle class lifestyle in CA.

Cool story, bro, r146.

If it wasn't for Amber he probably would've gotten away with it.

YES r149. I don’t know how she did it.

If his MIL left a voicemail, how is there a recording of Scott whistling "whew"?

The police monitored his phone line and could hear the vm and what the person listening was reacting to? Sounds odd.

There’s nothing odd r151. All of his calls were recorded.

They bugged the house?

R153, they bugged his phone. I held back on adding “you fool” at the end of my first sentence. Are you completely unfamiliar with police investigations? Have you never watched 48 Hours?

I thought it was on his answering machine (it was the 90's) so it could have been

R150, She didn't want to be next.

Only stupid women hook their wagon to men who are wanted for/suspected of murder of another woman or have any type of domestic violence history. Amber was not a stupid woman.

I agree with R156, and I am really glad she came forward. I don't really think he would have got away with it. Once they found the bodies and saw all the trouble someone went to to conceal the crime. They had a lot of evidence by then. The bodies clinched it. For me it was finding the bodies that nailed his ass. I thought the Detective was with him when he did the "whew" thing. He saw it. Scott did it for his benefit. Scott clarified his reaction, saying it meant she was still alive or some other nonsense. What Amber was able to do is give some dimension to the character/personality of Scott who was a pretty blank slate. Lying about being in Paris, then the photos of the two of them together, etc. Amber demonstrated that he was duplicitous and capable of deceit. Once Amber went public everyone's opinions of Scott changed. And then they catch him with all that gear heading for Mexico? He was toast. Amber was the proverbial icing on the cake.

Scott Peterson's family is so fucking delusional. Especially that sister who basically called Amber a whore.

My favorite is when one of the family members said that there was nothing unusual about Scott trying to go across the border since people do that all the time. Yeah, most of those people don't intentionally disguise themselves to look like other people while doing that but whatever floats your boat. They didn't even believe he was fleeing from the police.

After his defense team put out that weird Netflix (?) special about new evidence trying to make him look innocent, it's only fair to release this as a response.

I believe the majority of the other documentary was that there were several other bodies found in the Bay area that were somewhat closely aligned with how Lacy was killed - and that there was a serial killer loose.

Whatever. He had a mistress, changed his story multiple times, had way too many sketchy things happen with the house afterwards, etc. Then dyed his hair and was on his way to Mexico.

He's guilty as fuck. It's like redoing the OJ thing - If I had did it. Gross - let the woman rest in peace and this guy to rot in jail.

Why would anyone kidnap a heavily pregnant woman? Young attractive women get abducted so their abductor can rape them. An obviously pregnant woman is not really a target for that.

Scott did it.

R162 - and he told everyone he was going golfing on that day and then said he went fishing instead. He had TWO affairs and told one of them he was a widower and this was going to be his first Christmas without his wife.

Plus the multiple homemade anchors he made and they found some of Laci's hair in the boat although she had never been on it.

And he could never really say where he had been that day. This is so fucking obvious.

Why would robbers have needed to make her body 'disappear' by driving her all the way to the bay and risking getting caught with her dead body in their vehicle? They wouldn't have. Only Scott had the motive to make her dead body disappear like that. If the robbers had killed her, they'd have shivved her and ran.

R164 - and they would have actually robbed something, right? Nothing was taken from the home.

Y'know - it's 9:30am on Christmas Eve - what do you wanna do to make it memorable? Why don't we walk into (not break into) a suburban home in Modesto, kidnap and murder an 8 month pregnant woman, then drive a few hours, hire a boat, and dump her body in the bay? We'll make a day of it - sound good?

Shit like this just doesn't happen - particularly at that time of the morning - unless there is a long history of consorting with criminals and underworld types.

So true r165. Nobody was going to do all of that. Scott was so clearly guilty.

I have never in my life heard of a visibly preganant woman being abducted for the purpose of sexual assault.

He thought he had it all planned out. Even to researching the tides around the are where he claimed to be fishing, and that little island. THen he bought the boat on December 9th. Never told anyone he had a boat and kept it in the small a storage place with his fertilizer. Had all those umbrellas the two anchors he made, the hair in the boat, etc. the cops had his ass.

Stupid ass searched the tides, details of the marina etc. on his own computer, of course the computer is the first thing the cops look at. Unbelievable.

[quote]Never told anyone he had a boat and kept it in the small a storage place with his fertilizer.

And I just recalled that Laci's stepdad had a boat himself and loved to fish and her mom said that the family was very close and he would have loved to talk to Scott about the boat and gone fishing together. Which makes keeping the boat a secret even more suspicious. That lovely family sadly had a sociopath in their midst.

Frau central here.

I just watched the first one minute of the first episode and Scott had better never go into acting or voice acting! He's fucking awful at it. After hearing him speak just one line in that recorded phone call I screamed, "GUILTY!"

I ain't even need to watch the rest.

R8 They’re famous true stories young generations don’t know about.

R166, there are cases of home invasions where a pregnant female was raped. But it is historically more rare for sure. And kidnapping her too? Nope. All Scott.

He must think he's struck gold with this LA Innocence Project crap.

[QUOTE]He had TWO affairs

Who was the second woman? This is the first I'd heard about it.

I wonder if Scott’s big dick and hot ass are being well-used in prison?

Amber had a dream where Scott was tickling her daughter to the point she couldn't breathe. Amber said she believed this was Laci telling her in a way what happened (strangulation not tickling) and it compelled Amber to help with the investigation.

[quote]Y'know - it's 9:30am on Christmas Eve - what do you wanna do to make it memorable? Why don't we walk into (not break into) a suburban home in Modesto, kidnap and murder an 8 month pregnant woman, then drive a few hours, hire a boat, and dump her body in the bay? We'll make a day of it - sound good?

I'm kind of surprised Mrs. Patsy Ramsey, formerly of Boulder, has not weighed in on all the shenanigans that can go on at Christmas Eve

Where are you getting that from, R177? I’m calling bullshit.

Read it for yourself r179. It's in her book. She talks about it in this interview.

"Scott called Amber often over the next few days and lied repeatedly about his travels. On December 23, Scott told Amber he was in Maine, duck hunting with his dad. In fact, on December 23, Laci took Scott to get a pre-Christmas haircut near their Modesto home. That night, Laci Peterson called her mom, about 8:30 p.m. It's the last time she's known to have talked to anyone, except her husband, Scott.

Amber went to bed that same night and woke up in the early hours of the morning after a terrible nightmare. A man was tickling her daughter so violently that the child couldn't breathe.

Frey: "And then I just kept seeing this face. It was a woman. She was laughing. And I kept yelling, quit laughing, she can't breathe. And I woke up, because I couldn't breathe."

Amber later became convinced that the laughing woman in her dream was Laci Peterson. It was the morning of December 24, Christmas Eve, the day investigators believe Scott Peterson dumped Laci's body out of his new boat, and into the chilly waters of San Francisco Bay."

It's probably a really subversive idea, but I was thinking. I enjoy true crime documentaries, but after I have watched them, I think about what the perp did wrong, and how if they had only done things differently they would have not been caught. I had that reaction with the Atlanta Child Murders after I watched Season 2 of Mindhunters, and then again after the Laci Peterson murders.

I remember one of my favorite Hitchcock movies, Shadow of a Doubt, there were two old guys who loved mysteries and after reading them, they would discuss the clues and what the perp did wrong. In Scott's case, he should have gone to a library and used a computer to figure out the tides. He should have paid cash for the boat and rented the pick up truck he used to transport the body.

And he should have never told anyone he had a boat. In fact he should have drove somewhere remote, and scuttled the boat after he dumped Laci. No credit cards. And finally he talked too much. No one knew he had a boat. Why tell them? Why tell people he went fishing. He could have made other excuses to explain his absence.

It was the morning of Christmas Eve. He could have said he was at the Mall looking for something special to surprise Laci. Here's something that got my attention: His family said he often went to Mexico. I have to wonder was Scott a serial killer in the making? Did Scott already kill someone to "test" himself? He is so weird I find it hard to believe Laci was the first person he killed.

[quote] Amber had a dream where Scott was tickling her daughter to the point she couldn't breathe. Amber said she believed this was Laci telling her in a way what happened (strangulation not tickling) and it compelled Amber to help with the investigation.

Well, this is some hot stuff and worth repeating.

I've always wondered if Scott got away with it and took up with Amber, if he would've grown tired of her too and eventually killed her.

That is what Drew Peterson did^

I think Scott could have done more at the time to satisfy his fans. Like an OJ style car chase when he was on the run or something. What an asshole to not think of his public.

What?? He gave us Sun-In Orange Hair and Matching Goatee. Plus, I always loved the detail that he was a fertilizer salesman. He sold shit in every aspect of his life!

I wonder why he waited so long to kill her. It would have been easier in her first or second trimester and a fishing trip in spring or summer would make more sense than Christmas Eve. Surely, he didn't think of Amber as a long term relationship worth committing a double murder.

He probably put it off and off and off until he couldn't put it off any longer.

[quote] That is what Drew Peterson did^

Drew Peterson had four wives, and they all noticed that something was not quite right about him. I think people who marry multiple times, especially more than twice, are mentally unstable.

[quote] I think Scott could have done more at the time to satisfy his fans.

A nude calendar would have been nice.

Scott is so basic with the personality of a piece of cardboard. Incidentally, Laci also seemed the same way, and it seems like maybe that was part of the attraction. I know lots of straight women (and men) who find their chosen partners so interesting yet they seem dull as dishwater.

The renewed interest in this case is somewhat baffling to me as there is no reasonable person who could think anyone other than Scott killed Laci. That SIL or whoever is featured in the Face To Face documentary seems like she would believe anything other than Scott being the murderer. Even if she was shown video evidence of him doing the crime she would probably remain in denial.

Finally, I thought Scott would have ballooned in prison, since he looked to be on the cusp of that back in 2002 or 2003, but it seems he looks like an emaciated meth addict nowadays.

What's up with Amber talking to Scott in the baby voice? So creepy!

Did Laci work at all? I'm just wondering because it seemed like the two of them had a lot of expenses, especially with the baby coming and Laci going on mat leave (presumably??).

Maybe if Scott hadn’t been wining and dining other women and buying murder boats they would have had more money.

Drew Peterson was really unattractive. Not sure why women were lined up to marry him. Especially with all of his ex-wives dead / missing.

[quote]Did Laci work at all?

Laci's only ambition in life was to be a hausfrau.

R191, maybe it's not meth. He could have caught hep or the monster inside.

Dean Cain did a better job at pretending to care about his wife than the real Scott Peterson.

I'm watching this, finally. One thing that struck me was the friend's report that laci showed up at a Xmas party seemingly subdued and down. On the same night Scott was taking Amber to her Xmas party. I wonder if their marriage was on the rocks and she kind of knew already. Maybe they had a fight.

R199, I bet Laci kept a lot of their troubles to herself. She projected this happy, positive, outgoing fun young woman but I bet she had a sense of him cheating. In the Netflix documentary there was mention of other women he had affairs with before Amber.

I thought the Dean Cain movie was really good and pretty accurate. I t hink I said this earlier, but Scott could have got away with it if he'd done things differently. As for why do it on Christmas Eve when she was 8 1/2 months pregnant, I agree, he could have done it sooner. He didn't want kids. He sat there watching her get bigger every day. He knew it was going to be a boy. They even had a name for the kid and had the nursery set up. They were in California. They could have gone on a long weekend together months earlier, and she could have an accident.

R200 here. Maybe she thought he would settle down and things would get better once they had a kid together. So many women think a kid will solve their relationship problems.

I guess we all do it but I creep myself out when I think of how caught murderers like Scott P "could have" gotten away with it.

I'll go take a nice, long, hot shower now.

If he hadn't had the affair with Amber and if Laci's body hadn't washed up he probably would've gotten away with it.

R163, Which is why he was found guilty and sits in prison.

The ignoramuses who think he was convicted unfairly, that there was overlooked evidence, that some old broad saw Laci walking their dog, etc., are just that: ignoramuses. They deserve zero attention.

OJ did it, not his son. MacDonald did it, not some druggies. And IMO, Dr. Sam Sheppard (another pregnant wife) did it.

R204 Go to bed frau. Just wropng. So wrong.

[quote]r181

I just recommended that to It’s my favorite Hitchcock film.

R173 = Pastor Davey.

[QUOTE] They could have gone on a long weekend together months earlier, and she could have an accident.

Theodore Dreiser has entered the chat!

Love bombing is a big red flag. Poor Laci seemed naive as hell.

It behoves a young lady to always assume she’s dating a psychopath murderer

[quote] MacDonald did it, not some druggies.

Acid is groovy!

[QUOTE] It behoves a young lady to always assume she’s dating a psychopath murderer

Oh, dear!

Oh dear, yourself.

R206, Another favorite not documentary is Jagged Edge, the thriller with Jeff Bridges and Glenn Close. Love that movie almost as much as Shadow of a Doubt! If you've never seen it watch it. But here are spoilers: The killer "practiced" his crime by doing a couple of home invasions if memory serves. In fact he did get away with his crime. Until he didn't.

[quote] Love bombing is a big red flag. Poor Laci seemed naive as hell.

"Love bombing" is such an overused and frau term.

Yes, but it was used by frauen in the documentary R215.

Bless your heart, r205.

R217 And yours as well.

Sharon Rocha seems like a very normal person.

Sharon Rocha does seem like a level-headed woman. Laci was less level-headed. She fell for this seller of shit.

I just think Laci was kind of a sheltered kid. They showed video of her clowning with her girl friends, and her mother said they really had a group of guys and g irls that hung out together in High School. Laci had those three close girlfriends, and she lived in a close family in a close community. She wasn't "worldly." She saw Scott who may have seemed shy and she was all bubbly, and he was really good looking and "sweet" and she fell for him. She believed in fairytales. Naive. She probably loved watching soap operas and reality shows too. And cooking shows. HGTV fixer uppers,etc. She was as ordinary and middle class as they come.

R221 here. What I mean is I think Laci was a believer. She'd watch those kinds of shows and maybe go try out a make up or hair style or cook something or arrange a room the way she saw it on TV. She functioned in a smaller world than so many of us are aware of.

R222, I take your point, but I, too, enjoy those Reality shows, and I'm as big a cynical misanthrope as you'll ever hope to meet.

IMO Scott strangled Laci (no bloodstains found), got her body into the boat unseen, etc.

A wife of any kind is one thing; but a baby, especially a second or third, can put a real cramp in the freedom of an adulterer.