Chappell Roan, the lesbian pop singer who is taking gen Z by storm

Yes.

I really like her and her music. She has an 80s vibe.

I'm GenX OP and I love her music! It's nice to have an alternative to Tyler Swift. She's been going at it for 10 years and writes her own music. If you like pop music and the muppets, you'll love Chappell.

Count me in as another Gen X fan!! What’s not to love?

Against, all odds I've become a fan.

She reminds me of peak Gaga. But more relatable.

Yeah that Tyler Swift...man she's all over the place lately.

What? Lesbian til graduation?

I hate to say it, but DL missed the boat on this one. She's got SIX concurrent Hot 100 singles, and we have barely discussed her here.

It's because it's all happening on Tiktok.

Meh. Interest in her music must be one of those things that skips a generation.

[quote]It's because it's all happening on Tiktok.

Watching her desperately trying to get everyone to do her "dance" for her song Hot to Go was a turnoff. The only okay part of the song is the chorus.

It's their turn, r10. Welcome to being over 35.

True, R12. And I don't begrudge them for having their moment in the sun. But her music is not my thing.

[quote] She's got SIX concurrent Hot 100 singles

Meaning she sold 2 copies.

People sure love crap.

You were saying, r14? I know we like to shit on the kiddos here, but she is getting plays and crowds outside of our anecdotal world.

I wonder if she's ever seen this movie. I feel like she may have,

Muppets.

There's nothing "drag queen style" and even less of Divine about her in that video, OP. Ever heard of cheerleaders or seen Taylor Swift's stage outfits?

R19 calm down, sweetie

R16, you want to tell us what that is from?

Chappell Roan has never had a #1 song ever. Next.

R19 You mean this Taylor Swift outfit:

That's not Taylor Swift, r23, and Taylor Swift doesn't dress in male drag. But, in case you weren't aware, drag queens are female impersonators, or caricature versions of women at least. They are the ones trying to dress as women, not the other way around.

R24 “caricature versions of women…”

I’ll just leave that here…

I like her music. But it's going to be difficult for her to sustain the level of success and attention she's receiving right now. And she doesn't sound comfortable with it, either.

I tried to watch one of her music videos. It’s been done before and better. I get why gen z might be enthralled but it’s a pass for me.

Just a fad

Like most artists who hit it big like this, Chappell clearly had a makeover that catapulted her—the stuff she was putting out before was very different, though some of those songs (like "California") made it to her debut album. The drag queen branding though is what I think caught people's attention; that, and the songs got a lot poppier. Lana Del Rey did the same thing. She was playing guitar and singing for years in New York making weird indie rock/quasi-folk music before Interscope swooped in and she got her "ghetto Lolita" rebranding.

She's no Jojo Siwa.

Ugly

We honor you, Queen Carlotta.

She's doing Gottmik with the white face make up. "Good Luck, Babe!" is in the Top Ten. It's not really my thing, etc but I think I get the appeal. It looks a lot less packaged than, idk Katy Perry of 10 years ago. People love her coming out of nowhere, the "skyrocket to fame" angle. I even saw a couple of people on TikTok rather gently compare it to the rise of Nirvana years ago. What? But maybe it does represent a bit of a style shift. A little bit messier, a little bit drag. The songs are good. She has a strong voice. She doesn't sound like Kate Bush or Elizabeth Fraser/Cocteau Twins but it's like a pop star mined a touch of that energy and flipped it for a new time period. So it feels fresh. That could be too high praise! Or maybe people are bored of Taylor!

Gen Z thinks something about her rise is very organic and muy authentico.

At least it's better than Billie Eilish.

^ That's a low bar.

I loooove Chappel. She is the next big thing.

“Oh Mickey you’re so fine… “

That’s what I hear. Also, shades of Josie Cotton.

R34 every generation thinks their diva or pop tartlet is some unique special deal

Exactly. It's their turn, and good for them.

Kevin Sessums pens with might and grace,

His words a tapestry, a wondrous space.

With rhythm and rhyme, he weaves his art,

Engaging readers from the very start.

A master storyteller, skilled and keen,

His prose is polished, a shining sheen.

He paints with language, bold and bright,

Illuminating shadows, bringing forth light.

With every sentence, a magic spell,

His words enchant, a wondrous spell.

A literary wizard, a writing king,

His prose inspires, a soaring thing.

Wrong thread, TERRIBLY sorry!

I’m Gen X and find her interesting.

Loved the song at OP! I'm a Gen-X sucker for anything with that heavy 80s synth sound.

I like Good Luck, Babe! It's catchy. Hot to Go! is cute. Making the jock jam canon would be a great honor for any artist. She's interesting.

I heard from my 29 year old niece that she loves Dump.

I’m Gen X. Love her music. She’s hot!

Chappell Roan makes Lollapalooza History!

Chappell Roan Praises Miley Cyrus For Inspiration, Making Music That’s ‘So Authentic’

I'm Gen X and had never heard of her before this past weekend. I saw numerous references to Chappell Roan at Chicago Market Days and had no idea who she is. "If your name is Chappell Roan, you drink free!" is one Market Days mention I recall seeing at a food booth. Made me feel old, like I was out of the loop on a gay cultural phenomenon. If the comments upthread about her being a TikTok sensation are true, then I'm going to feel completely redeemed. I don't use TikTok and have zero plans to start doing so, but if she's as talented as reported, I'm sure we'll all catch her soon enough on other media.

Thanks for telling us, OP.

It's nice she got a new fuckmate to market for her lazy cunt.

Her underarms at R49 are hideous.

I wasn't familiar with her until I heard Peter Sagal interview her on *Wait, Wait, Don't Tell Me!* She seemed very sweet and funny, and Sagal genuinely seemed to liked her music too. Later, when my Billie Eilish-obsessed gay nephew came by, I asked him about Roan, and he was a fan as well. He showed me her video, and I was expecting another Billie Eilish but was pleasantly surprised that she's the complete opposite. Thank the universe, because I cannot stand Eilish!

Not every pop star wants to give us.... Divine!

Chapell was set for a Billboard 200 number 1 this week, but disgusting Taygreedy blocked her by releasing two new variants of her boring album.

I love "Femininomenon".

I adore her. Hope she's making some money

I was in a local gay bar on Wednesday for a minute and they switched TVs to her VMA performance. It was really cute.. a couple of gays and theys there were SO delighted and psyched about this performance!

[quote] She likes to dress up hyper glam, drag queen style (very Divine-esque)

I haven’t followed Ms. Roan closely, but I don’t understand people claiming her style is like Divine’s.

Divine looked like she lived in a roach motel, dined off garbage from a KFC dumpster, and had never washed her wig…. whereas this girl is CLEAN.

She's kind of short.. She's here on talent. A part of me likes her and gets it. IDK she's warning photographers and complaining about the attention. I mean, I get that too. It's a bit like Simone Biles speaking out for her own mental health...which we support. But you're a pop star now, hun. This VMA performance isn't rocket science. It's ok to give people what they want. Am I super jaded? You're giving a speech about inspiring midwest queers but the premise of this performance is you're Joan of Arc in a world of men? Try to enjoy yourself on the road up, girl. My 20 year old self definitely likes that she's prepared to a check a paparazzi.

She's performed in a Divine look. Which is honestly frickin great!

I take it all back. She's superb. Great songs, great voice. Do It your way Chappell.

She's a bitchy little diva. Cancelled two shows in the UK so she could perform at the VMAs and then yelled at her fans online when they questioned her.

She also has major major weight problems. Is naturally plump but has dropped 45lbs almost overnight. Has those heavy legs that no amount of dieting will shift.

I adore her, but the first time I saw this I could barely understand a word.

I don’t know if it’s her articulation, or the sound design is just muddy.

Why won’t she endorse Kamala?! I don’t have a link but saw a headline on Reddit.

Is she a trashy trumpy?

Of course not. She's pro palestine. And she might be angry the Harris/Walz campaign lifted her hat idea.

Good Luck, Babe is a good song. I like it better than any of the Sabrina Carpenter, Taylor, etc. songs I've heard in the past year. Not sure how significant that is.

CR did an interview with the Guardian and told them she'd just been diagnosed with severe depression. She's too sensitive and spazzy to be a succesful touring artist. You need a robust constitution or you just end up cancelling everything like Bieber, Zayn and Mendes.

'She is coping “how anyone would”, she says pragmatically. “I’m in therapy twice a week. I went to a psychiatrist last week because I was like, I don’t know what’s going on. She diagnosed me with severe depression – which I didn’t think I had because I’m not actually sad. But I have every symptom of someone who’s severely depressed.” The brain fog, forgetfulness, poor focus and “a very lacklustre viewpoint” all clicked into place when she heard the diagnosis.'

I like this quote from the Guardian article

[quote] I encourage people to use your critical thinking skills, use your vote – vote small, vote for what’s going on in your city

A lot of people might find more relevance and interest in politics if they paid attention to city and state leadership.

I like that they wrapped up the article with the idea she's noticed some of the benefits and fun to fame. She's kind of a badass. I think she'll be alright. Fight not to lose yourself!

I like her music, but she sounds insufferable in interviews.

Yeah, the Gaga comparisons need to stop. Gaga was a BLAST in interviews when she first hit big. Funny, weird, driven, focused.

I really like Roan's music and onstage persona. But she is just too Gen Z for me, I guess. Whining already.

r34 / r58 Considering 1/2 the posts here are from you... I'm not putting much stock in this whole post.

"She's kind of a badass"

Wow, the bar must be very very low these days

Or perhaps her ass is just very bad.

What? Ok, I seriously did not set out to write half this thread. I guess I thought she was interesting thing to discuss and speculate about. I'm not even super invested.

I thought everyone on DL would be blasting her for saying she won’t endorse Kamala Harris because the Democrats don’t protect trans people. The rest of the internet is.

R77 Anyone who “both sides” this presidential election, which is what she did, is not a serious person.

Tim Miller from The Bulwark is not happy with her sitting on the fence.

From the Guardian article at R68:

[quote] And, in June, while dressed as Lady Liberty, Roan told the crowd at Governor’s Ball festival in New York that she had declined an invitation to perform at a White House Pride event: “We want liberty, justice and freedom for all. When you do that, that’s when I’ll come.”

My take: It's one thing for Chappell Roan to choose not to endorse Kamala Harris. Roan is very new to being a public figure, and she admits the transition has been rough in many ways including the depression diagnosis. Throwing her hat into the political endorsement arena may be a straw that breaks the camel's back, and probably not necessary anyway since I'd bet her fans heavily, heavily skew in favor of Harris already.

However, it's quite another thing to have the attitude she expresses in the above quote. "When [bold]you[/bold] do that...?" Given the very plausible repressed upbringing she describes, she is one person who should understand that it's not for [bold]anyone[/bold] to just sit back and expect others -- even elected leaders -- to grant and uphold people's rights. Rights have to be fought for, defended, and upheld by all of us. You know when we see progress? When elected officials feel the weight of intense public pressure to act. Roan might want to read up on a few touchpoints not too far back in history like Stonewall, the 80s HIV/AIDS crisis, the fight for the Equal Rights Amendment, the rise and fall of Roe v. Wade, and the Civil Rights Movement to get an idea of how these things actually work.

I say all this as someone who likes her songs I've heard and is willing to cut her a lot of slack as she continues adjusting to life as a public person. Good for her, repudiating shitty behavior by industry assholes in real-time. We have a terrible way of commoditizing celebrities and blurring the lines of what is public and private in their lives. But the above attitude of, "Make things perfect, then I'm all in," is lazy, entitled, irresponsible, and counter to our deep American tradition of fighting for rights toward making a "more perfect union." Roan can, needs to, and must do better on issues like this one.

She complains about the downside of fame, she claims the Dems don't protect Trans enough so she can't give her support to either party, she cancels shows so she can appear on the AMAs.

This woman is blowing up her image and career FAST.

For someone just getting to know her, she has completely turned me off. I don't need some 25 year old scold telling everyone else how to behave.

Does she have any idea how awful she's been coming across?

r81 Not AMAs... but rather the equally irrelevant VMAs.

Another teachable moment for Roan, from the Guardian piece:

[quote] The change she wants to see in the US in this election year, she says instantly, is “trans rights. [bold]They cannot have cis people making decisions for trans people, period.[/bold]”

Period? Your advocacy is admirable, but settle in, Chappell. It's going to be this way for a long while to come, until there's a majority coalition of openly trans elected leaders in state and federal offices. Hope springs eternal, but also prepare yourself for the very real possibility that you'll not see this happen during your lifetime. Because for women, gay/lesbian, and people of color -- all demographic groups that are much longer in community awareness-building and the fight for equality -- we still have terribly small minorities compared to cis, straight-identifying white men in Congress and throughout state offices. We're 248 years into our nation's founding, and we still haven't even elected a cis straight female president, though that seems about to FINALLY change in several weeks. 💙

If you feel this passionately about trans' rights, then consider putting your public influence to work and start organizing and endorsing trans candidates for office. Be prepared to be relentless, because the opposition will be overwhelming, aggressive, unending, and very, very ugly.

Chappell Roan is an idiot high from sniffing her own farts.

Yes, r83, the Trans Agenda has so successfully developed and nurtured a cis/trans binary as if they are two equally weighted realities that impressionable cement heads like Chappell Roan and all the gay "allies" to the Gender Identity Movement believe that such thinking is of course the only way to be a "progressive".

Pure nonsense!

[quote] For someone just getting to know her, she has completely turned me off. I don't need some 25 year old scold telling everyone else how to behave.

I think she’s TREMENDOUS!

[quote]r80 …Roan can, needs to, and must do better on issues like this one.

TLDR

Screw this trick. She wants fame but none of the things actually associated with it. She can go stick to playing midwest county fairs then.

She's an idiot.

Like most of Gen Z, she is whiny petulant brat but everybody is kissing her ass and telling her how stunning and brave she is.

What's worse is that she put trans rights above young women's rights? Above voting? Above LGBTQ protections? Above gay marriage?

I'm going to put another group that I'm not a part of above everything else!

And the bullshit about how non-trans shouldn't be in charge of trans people's rights. GIRL - LOOK AROUND - Men have been telling and legislating what women can do for thousands of years!

I hate this woman - she'a a pain in the ass. All the 'abuse' she's getting from fans - which she won't go into detail about. Supposedly calling her by her real name is an offense.

Careers have been killed for far less. At least Sinead O'Connor was fighting over abuse - that we all knew was happening and now in hindsight we realize how terribly she was treated. But her career was canceled FAST.

She will have another year or two and then the newest girl phenom will get the spotlight. She'll be back performing at the county fair sooner rather than later.

I don't really believe she's a lesbian, to be honest. She dated quite a few men - then was in a relationship with a woman, which she promoted so heavily.

No longer with her - and I feel like that was a stop-over point that many young women do before they most solidly go for dick but then call themselves bi-sexual for the rest of their lives.

She said dating men was so hard and disappointing. “People say I’m jealous, but my kink is watching you ruin your life, you losing your mind, you dyeing your hair,” Chappell belts. At Coachella last April, she looked into the livestream camera and had a message for this ex. “Bitch I know you’re watching,” she said, “and all those horrible things happening to you are karma. It’s me!”

Sounds like dating a woman wasn't all that either. At this point - can you really take anything she says seriously?

Labelling oneself as a "lesbian pop singer" is so cutting edge.

R93 - tell me about it.

Why do we care about what performers say/think/believe? They have no special expertise about politics or how anyone else should behave, yet we pay rapt attention to Roan or Janet Jackson's public pronouncements.

I would not be surprised if she is a pseudo dyke and actually ends up a guy in the near future.

She strikes me as a dabbler and an interloper.

*With a guy

R95 - for Chappell - you can't wrap up your identity in Queer/Gay/Trans/Drag and then sit on the fence when these people are up for attacks and getting their rights taken away by one part.

For Janet - you can't breathe out of a white woman's nose and then call into question a presidential candidate's racial makeup.

That's why. Let me know if you have any other questions.

R96 - that's the thing. She could have said she was bi-sexual - but she went full in on lesbian. A REAL lesbian or gay man have one attraction only.

This is my problem with the whole queer thing - and she's called herself a queer performer from the beginning without even kissing a girl before a couple of years ago.

And yes - it IS about gatekeeping. Not all gatekeeping is bad. When you aren't part of a community but you're stealing everything from it and claiming you are when you're not - that's bullshit and stealing an identity that is NOT authentic.

She's not an authentic person - at all.

R98, none of that answers why we should care what they think, which was r95's point.

R100 - because, whether they like it or not, singers are a brand and a product that conveys values and viewpoints. People may not buy a product from a brand whose politics conflict with theirs.

It's that easy. Let me know if you have any other elementary questions that need answering.

You're not responding to the question asked but presenting a counterfactual, r101. In any case, Chappell Roan is currently trying to build up a loud, brash image where it doesn't really matter what she says as the aim is to garner attention and notoriety, while Janet Jackson doesn't give a shit.

I admit, as an actual lesbian I find Roan and her "queerness" and her tranny worship offputting, but, then again, lesbians are probably not her target audience.

R102 Are there lesbians under 25 anymore?

R103, actually, younger people are more likely to identify as gay or lesbian than older people. But conservative gays want to claim that gays are being "erased" by people identifying as non-binary or trans or whatever, which is not backed up by statistics

She's a whiner and I'm sick of her already.

Good luck (with that), babe!

R104, younger people identifying as gay or lesbian isn't the same as actually being gay or lesbian.

I’d rather listen to the noise my shit makes leaving my ass

[quote] I would not be surprised if she is a pseudo dyke

Aren't like 99% of them just this?

R104 - linked facts or are you just pulling shit out of your ass again? I don't know of a single gay man or lesbian over 40 who doesn't identify as such or any of them who identifies as Queer, non-binary, whateverism.

You're full of shit.

What r104 forgets to point out is that these "statistics" don't indicate the percentage of young people who are gay or lesbian, but the percentage of young people who "identify" as LGBTQIA++. So, they are basically worthless.

Maybe as a lesbian she doesn't care if contraception and abortions are banned.

You sound like an idiot R14

I am 49 and love her.

Good Luck, Babe is such a nice ode to Kate Bush’s Hounds of Love album.

Reddit is aflame right now with her doubling down on bothsidesism.

Good R115 for someone who says she values “critical thinking” she’s pretty incoherent.

WHO?

R116 - so that speech from today/yesterday - was a bit more clarifying. People do need to use critical thinking and learn the issues and where candidates stand.

She DID say she's not voting for Trump.

Now - not that she had this in mind before - but I can see her wanting sidestep the crazy that will come her way from the Trumpers if she endorses Kamala. Doesn't show much of a backbone and they really aren't her fans anyway - but you can't discount it.

Much of that video was word salad - but it was slightly better than before.

Why does she have to endorse anyone?

R119 - yes, correct - she could have sidestepped this whole thing if she didn't go on about it and not endorsing either candidate. But that's what she did - she put herself into this mess with the word salad bullshit from earlier this week. She could have just side-stepped the issue and left it alone - but no. Now she's playing the victim again.

So much abuse being famous - oh and everyone - listen up! She wants you to know this is one of her 'projects' as an artist. Meaning she is above this and may not do this anymore if y'all keep being abusive to her.

Chappell Roan Says She’s “Voting For F*cking Kamala,” But No VP Endorsement & “F*ck Trump, For F*cking Real”:

What kind of fucking statement is '...I don't know if it caught on with the older millenials?' Oh, that's right, they float us in the air and shoot us down after we turn 40. Yeah, I heard of her retro-fitted, Kate Bush 80's era so square she's hip meets Bette Midler in a bathhouse who retro-fitted her schtick a la Fanny Brice. Cyndi Lauper did it better, she was the underdog.

She's an almost-was who never will be now.

Gen Z have lost their minds and care more about what happens in Palestine than about anything which might directly affect them, like restrictions on abortion and contraception. Lots are saying they can't vote for anyone because nobody is promising to 'stop the genocide'.

I don’t like her deliberately bored vocals in Good Luck Babe.

She is a #survivor

[quote]Chappell Roan Says She’s “Voting For F*cking Kamala,” But No VP Endorsement & “F*ck Trump, For F*cking Real”

r121 Just to clarify, the VP part refers to Kamala not Walz, as I first assumed. Went to check the article because I thought that would be crazy talk. So, she's voting for Kamala while not endorsing her.

[quote]Another day and another video from Chappell Roan about the presidential election.

Shade from Deadline, lol.

[quote]Fuck Trump for fucking real, but fuck some of the shit that has gone down in the Democratic party that has failed people like me and you — and, more so, Palestine, and more so, every marginalized community in the world.

Obnoxious.

[Quote] She is a #survivor

Unfortunately

Chappell just cancelled her New York shows because she's 'overwhelmed'. Bit of a flaky Zayn Malik type.

[quote]Lots are saying they can't vote for anyone because nobody is promising to 'stop the genocide'.

TikTok, where they all get their “information”, is just as dangerous as Fox News.