Devon Hoover Detroit neurosurgeon, murder charges filed.

“Did a search - posted duplicate thread anyway”

R2 Hey, what happened to the other thread?

It got Murieled.

The Dr. was paying for BBC.

[quote]Analysis of Hoover’s phone records shows that Desmond Burks would charge Hoover for sexual services.

The suspect sounds like a treat.

[quote]Burks is currently in jail on separate murder charges, after he allegedly punched and killed a driver in a road rage incident back in April.

Devon's bestie Carol on the arrest

Do we know anything about a motive?

R7 When the checks stop coming in?

R8 is a regular Columbo.

The court tv video OP links to - says that Devon is may not be mentally competent to understand his trial. Sounds like the village idiot, hung like a horse. Also 4000+ messages between him and doc. So they were quite involved. That's a relationship, way beyond drug dealer or sex worker.

I suspect there is a drugs angle (hence the payments). Probably meth. PNP gone wrong.

So I guess the people who had this as a "killed by a hustler" murder from the get-go were correct

I'd like to know the motivation behind wrapping the body up and dragging it to the room in the attic.

It's not like the murder could be covered up in any way by doing so.

4000 is a lot of texts, possibly they were doing a business together. The Dr. could have been the supplier and the killer the "distributor".

The Freep has some additional details. The doc "occasionally" paid for sexual services. Burks stole a Cartier Pasha and Balloon Bleu watches and about $90k.

R15. He was too cute to have to pay for sex! What is the world coming to?!

Thousands of text is not a connection to a hustler. They had something going on. Sex and what? Drug dealing? What?

Also, why did it take over a year to bust this creep? He stole the phone and was charging on the Dr's cards right away. Seems to me the cops should have been watching his bank account and have been able to trace this quickly.

They had the perp driving the Dr's car with blood smeared on it. They found his expensive watches at the perp's house. What kind of alibi did he have that could keep them from arresting him for over a year? And evidence from three countries? What the hell was going on with these two?

R19 It sounds like Hoover and Burks were in a longterm "relationship," so with that kind of thing, excuses can actually be easier to manufacture sometimes. Like having the doctor's car could be explained as nothing out of the ordinary, e.g. "Devon let me drive his car all the time. I don't know how the blood got there." .. And something like having the watches in his possession could be explained as gifts. .. "Devon bought me pricey stuff all the time. .. He'd even take me shopping." .. It's doubtful all the digital evidence (4000 texts) came in right away. That usually has to be subpoenaed, then analyzed.

And in that recent video with his best friend, Carol, she seemed to highlight the difficulty police had been having getting people who were more than likely privy to the exact nature of the Hoover/Burks relationship (who may have witnessed interaction between them?) to talk during the investigation. So it sounds to me like they were really searching for witness testimony as opposed to simply having texts.

The other thing we don't know is how many such guys Hoover hooked up with. Having sex with thugs may have been his thing, and there could be other guys out there that they also had to check out.

Ok some of that makes sense. Thanks.

Did the doctor fall in love with an autistic man?

The best head comes from a thug.

The perp has 4 tears tattooed on his face. Boy, the good doctor really was into rough trade….

Or rough trade was really INTO him.

R22 I wonder if we'll learn why his current defense lawyer (I'm assuming public defender) is going for a competency hearing.

Lawyer probably wants to get the first degree murder charge downgraded.

R27 The competency hearing was already in process prior to the charges that were filed against him in the Hoover case.

It was requested way back in May, stemming from the separate road rage case, which is already classified as second degree murder..

There's some serious self esteem issues going on for a guy like that to be paying for sex from a guy like that.

Similar to the murder in New Orleans many years ago -- a doctor from Florida liked to fly to the Big Easy to hire black hustlers in pool halls to fuck him. They done kilt him.

I knew from the beginning it was a hustler situation. RIP dr. Devon

If that was his type, then I imagine Detroit would be like a candy store.

R17 it certainly can be if he was completely dickmatized

R30, any links to stories about the New Orleans doctor murder?

I think this guy named Quincy Burks might be related to Desmond Burks, the perp in the Hoover case. There's an article about his arrest in Tuesday's New York Post.

I saw the surname and looked at white page listings, and it shows that Desmond and Quincy Burks have shared the same address in Detroit. The age of this guy in the NY Post article (30) also matches up to that white page info, and at the end of the article it says:

[quote] Burks has no prior arrest history in the Big Apple, cops said. But Goldsmith said he has “a very extensive record” in Detroit for assault and battery, as well as assault with dangerous weapons.

gross

[quote] The best head comes from a thug.

You got that right gurl.

Will his very religious and very conservative family in Indiana be able to handle a trial and all of the lurid details that will undoubtedly come out. What about all of his patients from the FB group. Will they freak out and their heads explode when they see the other side of Dr. Hoover. A trial will probably be necessary, as I think that Desmond Burks will probably want to roll the dice and take his chances on a trial. I don’t see him pleading guilty to any type of a murder charge. Stay tuned for more twists and turns in this case.

Any news on a trial? Is the "mental health" evaluation of the accused still going on?

And did they ever find the big stolen statue?

I noticed there was a rather large auction of Devon's possessions last year. Look at all these "pretty" things.

Is there a possibility of getting a synopsis? The main details, without watching two or three 30-minute-long YT vids?

Was the black dude his lover? It's fucked up to bite the hands that feeds you. It's fucked up to murder.

The "reporter" didn't really have any information. Lazy.

We called it “rough trade” back in the old days.

He was a Tasteful Friend, R39.

I wonder if he posted here.

Yes R39 His stuff fetched some impressive prices. The whole thing is so damned sad. But perfect fodder for our DL sleuths.

I assume the good doctor must have been a bottom

Looking at the auction items, I wonder how a Mennonite came to acquire the tastes of a 19th-century French homosexual.

I’m surprised by the low prices of those “pretty things” @R39 Some of those items are worth a lot more then they sold for

Do you make that much money as a neurosurgeon that you can afford this huge house and fill it with tasteful and expensive antiques?

Very sad the way he lost it all.

I would imagine that Neurosurgeons, especially in the south, would make a bundle.

I believe the training is among the longest in hardest in all medicine

^ especially in the south and outside the coasts

Note the Demographic

If he had not been closeted he would have had a husband, possibly kids, to fill that huge house. He would be alive.

R53, was he closeted though? If he had wanted a photogenic professional husband and kids he would have had them. Neighborhoods love those kinds of gay couples: their houses are gorgeous, their lawns are immaculate, they’re always so helpful. There were other issues here.

I assumed he was R54. Did he have a large circle of friends ? Did he entertain in his big house?

What became of that Facebook group?

R56 It's still up and running. But, some of the people who knew Hoover have left the group and one of the admins recently said that one of the frequent posters who left was often sending her nasty private messages.

Hoover wasn't closeted to friends or neighbors. On the Justice for Devon Hoover Facebook group, the friends and neighbors used to reference an ex-boyfriend who lived with Hoover. Hoover was close friends with a married gay couple who are both engineers in the auto industry. Neighbors knew he was gay and knew the ex live in boyfriend. There was some reddit thread where posters said that Hoover's ex boyfriend was moocher. On the FB group, one of Hoover's friends alluded to that as well and it was mentioned that the ex's mom was also Hoover's housekeeper.

There was a post on FB group where one of Hoover's patients posted about how he had been curious if Hoover was married. The patient said that he went to an appointment and asked Hoover if he was married and the patient said that others in the office laughed and that Hoover never answered his question. My take was that Hoover was probably out to other medical professionals and people who worked with him. But, he was closeted with patients. There were several incidents on the FB group where his patients didn't want to believe or accept that he was gay and cruised around for hookups.

Michigan for many years was a state that had very little protections for LGBT people in the workplace and in housing. Hoover may have worried about issues happening at the hospital he worked at. A month or two before Hoover's death, the Michigan legislature passed bills that expanded the state's Elliot Larsen Civil Rights Act to include protections for LGBT people. There had been previous attempts to expand the ELCRA in the past when Republicans controlled the State House and Senate. It only passed when the Dems got control of those chambers after the 2022 elections. On the Facebook group, some of Hoover's friends and patients were naïve and clueless on a lot of civil rights and issues with discrimination. His patient base appeared to be mostly upper middle or wealthy people who were able to take on the expenses of multiple spine surgeries. The patients were mostly classist assholes. The classist patients along with several of Hoover's friends were people who just couldn't accept the fact the Detroit Police, DA's office, Mike Duggan, Dana Nessel, and Gretchen Whitmer were unable to constantly cater to their demands regarding Hoover's case. That Facebook group would be a good case study on how fucking naive and selfish upper middle class and wealthy people in regards to law enforcement and the legal system. There were several assholes on that group who had racist attitudes towards the black female DA.

R48, Just like grandma's two full-service china sets and Hummel figurines, I have a feeling that this type of stuff, as pretty as it is, isn't as popular as it once was.

The bottom line is he loved thug cock and it ultimately killed him

There was a similar case where a DC school teacher was murdered by hired rough trade.

R49 It's Detroit where property values have been pretty depressed. He got this place for $750,000 (after an initial asking price of $900,000). He had equity from two or three prior home purchases, but carried a mortgage on it for something like half of that $750,000 amount. That's certainly not out of the question for a working medical doctor, who's single and has no kids to support. As for all the stuff he owned, he was a talented collector, but II think I also read that when he bought the mansion, it came with many of the furnishings, so a lot of what we see may have been included with the home purchase.

Isn’t that house an Albert Kahn design? It’s beautiful.

A neurosurgeon with approximately 20 years' experience like Dr. Hoover would likely be making over $500,000 per year, and had been for some time. He had plenty of money to purchase a house for $750,000. He probably mortgaged it because the interest rate was low enough that he made more money by investing elsewhere than buying a house in Detroit.

I swear to dog I tricked with the killer in Provincetown 2 summers ago.

Hoover's house was broken into the day before his funeral and statue was stolen. I don't think it was ever recovered.

[QUOTE]I believe the training is among the longest in hardest in all medicine

One of the reasons his death is a little more tragic than an average person's. All of those skills and ability to heal gone in an instant.

Wasn't the hospital he was affiliated with Catholic? That may have been the issue. I can't imagine the Sisters of Mercy who run the two Catholic hospitals in my city having any issue at all with him, but I don't know about other orders. I'm also in California which has had protections for a while. I do like to think the Sisters are enlightened.

Hoover worked for St. John Ascension hospital. There were people on the FB group who complained that the hospital should have been donated or set up a reward fund for tips about Hoover's murder. I don't think Hoover would ever been fired for being gay, he was a well liked surgeon who generated a lot revenue for the hospital. He probably worried about issues with patients maybe complaining to the hospital or maybe homophobic colleagues stirring shit up.

R68, I can say with some confidence that all hospitals care about is money.

He loved black dick to death.

In December 2024 the Detroit News reported the following:

[quote] The Michigan Center for Forensic Psychiatry found that Desmond Burks is competent to stand trial, said Gabi Silver, Burks' attorney. She said she wants to get an independent mental health evaluation as well, which should be done by February.

Given that, I wouldn't expect any further courtroom action until after that's done.

If only the Burk brothers had rightly been abortuses.

R69 - isn't there always an inside faction trying to drive "undesirables" (i.e. different or better) out, regardless of skills, bedside manner, or popularity of the target? I've kept reading over the years that many surgeons have sociopathic qualities. A group of them...

I don’t get the fetish some white, preppy, uptight guys have for nigga cock

Omg R5, how awful this guy sounds. That poor Dr.

R73, surgeons often are sociopathic, but they're people who have chosen the right profession. They cut people up; they're god-like figures. Just the fact that Hoover was a spinal surgeon tells you that he was a risk-taker. There's a lot of strife in hospital administration, but we don't know anything that suggests that Hoover was involved in that or would have been targeted by anyone.

As R69 said all hospitals care about is money. Administration probably wouldn't have cared that he was gay as long as they were making money. There were people on the FB group who said that Hoover performed multiple surgeries on them and the hospital was probably happy to make money off those repeat patients.

There were posts from nurses who worked with Hoover and they said that he was one of the few surgeons who treated them with respect in the OR. One woman posted about working as a housekeeper at the hospital where Hoover worked. She said that he always stopped to talk to her and was very nice. The post from the housekeeper impressed me more than the posts from patients and nurses. He followed the "treat the janitor with the same respect as the CEO" belief.

R63 Yes. It was designed by Kahn for retailer, Benjamin Siegel. Here's a video showcasing it on youtube. Hoover added the greenhouse because he did most of the landscaping himself.

What a beautiful house. I trust it has sold already. But you need a family of 10 (with husbear and houseboys) to make it work.

R79 It was on the market for about 10 months and sold in July 2024. The price was eventually lowered from $2.5 million to just under $2 million. This article at Crain's Business discusses the transaction. The new owner(s) was not disclosed.

This was a paywall article, but should be readable at the link.

The blowhards on the Justice FB group posted the name of the new owner on there. When it was announced that the house sold, the blowhards were posting things like "I hope the new owner takes care of the house like Dr. Hoover did." It was laughable for them to think someone would spend 2 mil is going to let the house go to hell.

Great looking house but does every thug hooker know the insides of it?

[quote] Will his very religious and very conservative family in Indiana be able to handle a trial and all of the lurid details that will undoubtedly come out. What about all of his patients from the FB group. Will they freak out and their heads explode when they see the other side of Dr. Hoover. A trial will probably be necessary, as I think that Desmond Burks will probably want to roll the dice and take his chances on a trial. I don’t see him pleading guilty to any type of a murder charge. Stay tuned for more twists and turns in this case.

If there is a trial, I wonder if the family will attend. If there is a trial, the annoying patients on the FB group will probably just say "well the defense is trying to smear Dr. Hoover". There were a handful of patients on the FB group that accepted that Hoover was flawed and had a private life that was different from his professional life. But, most of the patients are just whiny Karen and Chad types and some of the whiners ended up posting things that went into bizarre conspiracy theory bullshit. Before Burks was arrested, some of the Karens and Chads were pushing the theory that the district attorney Kym Worthy and Detroit Mayor Mike Duggan "were working together to protect Devon's killer from being arrested." Kym Worthy was demonized way too much in that group and people couldn't accept the fact that she has to follow certain legal procedures. One of the patients in the anti-Kym Worthy crowd is a young woman who couldn't accept the fact that Worthy wasn't giving VIP treatment to the Hoover case and she was always trying to make it seem like Worthy was racist against Hoover because he was white.

R83 I've learned that the "true crime" FB pages are some of the worst shit-storms out there. I've followed a few in the past and eventually stopped. The looney tunes all come out.

It was interesting to see every fucking meticulous step that Wayne County authorities took after they announced the arrest.

The Hoover FB group was a shit storm for various reasons. In some ways it was worse than WebSleuths and some of the true crime subs on Reddit. The group was poorly moderated. The admins/mods would allow certain posters to freely post about Hoover's sexuality and activities. But, if someone casually mentioned Hoover being gay, they would get hand slapped. Those idiot mods also allowed many possibly defamatory posts about Hoover's neighbors to be posted there and I'm wondering if we will end up seeing lawsuits happening down the line.

Seeing the press release from Wayne County is impressive. Many people on the FB group were claiming that DPD detectives were homophobes and weren't working hard enough to solve the case. The press release really proves otherwise. Some of the more vocal posters really trashed DPD and the police chief James White. Some of them were doing letter, email, and phone call campaigns to the state's AG office in hopes of compelling Dana Nessel to get the FBI to take over Detroit's homicide department for awhile. But, after Burks was arrested those same posters were praising White and DPD. It was annoying as fuck to see their praise posts despite their past trash posts calling DPD "lazy and homophobic" and writing complaint letters to the police board of commissioners. Kym Worthy wasn't really praised after the arrest and it's clear some of Hoover's female patients especially the annoying entitled young woman poster who I mentioned above are internalized misogynists. They were unhappy that a female prosecutor wasn't following their demands for a quick arrest. The way they vilified Worthy was disgusting and unnecessary. If Worthy was a white guy they would never bitched in the first place about the long investigation.

Beautiful house! Weird that someone lived there alone.

Some people are never truly alone.

He had his dog. Did the maid take the pooch in permanently?

God he was fine, rich, and charitable. I hope they fry the cunt who murdered him.

[quote] The best head comes from a thug.

A DL classic

Latest on the case-Burks has been found competent to stand trial.

That’s the trade he went for?

[quote] The bottom line is he loved thug cock and it ultimately killed him

He made a poor choice. There are many 'thugs' who would have relished Dr. Hoover's lifestyle and taken care of him for decades.

Many—and on a rotating basis.

Cased closed.

What about the Dallas A Gay?

The case won't really be closed on DataLounge until all the graphic details of their sexual relationship and what specifically happened that day are laid out open court.

Jesus. I get falling for the wrong dick, but was the guy also a drug dealer? There had to be more to him

Devon seems like a weird name for a mennonite