Is there a Tercel that goes from Pine Valley to Llanview?

OP, I love you.

Another of Jesse (Darnell Martin)’s great disses to Liza-“You dread skank…” He was hilarious.

I worked for a while on the show. Amanda Bearse was very open about her live-in girlfriend Sandra who was shooting a film with De Niro and Scorsese. Debbi Morgan was a cunt. Darnelll would sometimes mention a male friend named Basile who lived somewhere in the Caribbean. He made it seem pretty clear how important Basile was to him. Louis Edmonds made a point of showing up at the AMC studios on days he wasn’t working just to ogle the very young men mostly models) auditioning for Tad Martin. One of them was Russell Todd. James Mitchell would just roll his eyes at Edmonds. Lucci was always very sweet and friendly, I suspect this was genuine and whatever unpleasant attitudes she had developed over time. I don’t blame her for not being happy with Sarah Michelle Gellar whose flat line readings were the pits. And she was a nasty little bitch, too, according to my hair/make up friends.

Back to Catherine Hickland as Lindsey! Name a better OLTL villain in the shows final decade…

Catherine was the first Faith on Ryan's Hope.

I’d completely forgotten about Tercels!

It should have been: Anna, I just don't know what to do about Clara.

In the prior thread, someone incorrectly said that Marcy and Susan rarely had scenes together when she came back to the show. Totally false. They immediately pitted Erica against Liza when Liza became her boss at WRCW. At one point, Erica even moved into the Chandler Mansion with Adam and Liza. He did it to make Liza crazy. Susan and Marcy had great chemistry as foes. I mean how good is this episode from 1995? Her return was amazing but then they gradually made Liza a fragile heroine. AMC always defanged their villainesses.

R2- love this. What did you do for the show? Tell us more. How was Ruth Warrick? Kim Delaney? Marcy Walker? Taylor Miller? More, more, more please.

R2. I'd love to hear more about James Mitchell!

For what I have heard, the juicy story is all the nubile young men Dack Rambo had around him while he was playing Steve Jacobi on AMC, circa 1982-83.

R4 Catherine Hickland was never Faith. You're thinking about Catherine Hicks but even she was Faith #3. First was Faith Caitlin, straight from Oh, Calcutta!, second was Nancy Barrett from Dark Shadows and then Hicks.

R7 True, there was a weird thing where they writers would send their blond harlots/villainesses down the same path - Natalie, Gloria, Liza.....all tangling with Adam and all going crazy or having some issues to the point of fragility or breakdown.

Natalie/Ross/Palmer/Adam was so electric I think they tried versions of it several more times, with less success. I guess it was the available storyline they had for anyone not named Susan Lucci.

R12- Life at Cortlandt Manor was so good when Ross and Natalie would bang in the stables behind Palmer and Ellen’s backs. They had sizzling chemistry and then they had to go and have Ross rape her. I was so hot for Ross when I was a kid. And to find out later he was gay IRL? Swoon.

Ross could have tickled me with his mustache. DADDY!

Lillian Haymen’s memoir - Driving Miss Viki, Tales From The Tercel is a must read. It should be made into a movie.

Love that clip of Erika and Liza. Wow was Susan Lucci looking good in that episode. Marcy was always great but yeah they defanged her.

Lindsey really was the best. I'm glad they brought her back for the finale.

I'm surprised Clara was never sent to the Loving purgatory.

A shame Marcy never won an Emmy for Liza. She was damn good.

More from behind the scenes at AMC! (And OLTL, please.)

I was going to bring up the storyline of Marion, Tad, and Liza. It could have been a joke of a plot but Marcy turned it into a heartbreaking story.

Related to this period of AMC, what was the logic in even temporarily pairing Greg and Amanda? I get that Liza was now occupied with the triangle with Tad and Marion, I know that Jenny didn't stay long with Tony, and I know that Amanda failed to hang onto Greg. But what was Greg's rationale for being with Amanda? Was he that lonely? Was he trying to convince himself it was right?

They never really paired Greg and Amanda. Amanda was in love with Greg since first grade. Then Greg got in his accident and was a gimp. He didn't want to burden Jenny with a crip husband. He saw Amanda as his best friend and allowed her to help him while he was in his Wheels Nelson phase. Amanda was head over heels in love with him but he never noticed. Liza did though(since when did you start wearing makeup and buying new shoes?). Then Amanda realized she was wasting her time and worked, against Enid, to get Jenny and Greg back together. When they did get back together they showed Amanda mooning over a picture of Greg while Laura Branigan sang How Am I Supposed to Live Without You?. Then she left town. I used to love when Liza treated Amanda like shit and Amanda took it LOLOLOL

Alfred Vanderpool loved Greg too.

Thank you, R23. It's clearer than I thought, especially the bit about Amanda NOT being allies with Enid. I had somehow thought that she was. In my mind, I was imagining the writers thinking they were going to use up whatever final story they figured for Liza/Greg/Jenny, with Amanda acting as the Liza subsitute.

At the start she did work with Enid. Then Greg sent Jenny a letter when he started getting better. Explaining why he broke up with her. Enid stole it. Amanda found it and realized she was just wasting her time. So she stole the letter from Enid and delivered it to Jenny. Thus getting them back together. Cue Laura.....Didn't come her for cyring didn't come her to breakdown it's just a dream of mine is coming to an end.

Alfred VanDerPool...

Enid was a HUGE cunt!

They gave Alfred the Faux Silver treatment. Put a big pair of glasses on him and everyone will think he's a nerd.

I stand corrected. The post is pretty correct except Jenny wrote Greg the letter. Enid and Amanda at 4:44

the continuation of the letter at 2:14. I was sad when Amanda left. I liked her character. She was a plot turner. This letter was a big deal.

Remember when Alfred was going to show "Duck Soup" to the class and it ended up being that porno that had Jenny cut into it? And what about that modeling agency Jenny signed up with. Wasn't it called FOXXXY? And Jesus, one look at Sylvia Miles who headed it up and you knew it was not above board. And then Amanda Bearse and Liza brought Greg to Foxxxys because they knew Jenny was a waitress there. I mean, this is great shit.

R31, I think Foxy's was the dive bar that Jenny first worked at in Pine Valley. It wasn't long, as she was underage. If I recall, Opal was the only one who didn't think it was wrong.

I think you're right r32. And more specific, I think Foxy's was in Center City.

[quote]I'm surprised Clara was never sent to the Loving purgatory.

Ellen said Nixon was her only protector on the set in the early days, until she tried to lead some sort of revolt backstage to protect her producer, driving a wedge between her and Agnes.

R34 The magazine cover that Lillian Hayman as an original cast member was not invited to participate in, left Carla standing in the back row instead of the front couch bookended by Jacqueline Courtney and the Third Viki.

Hats off to Ellen Holly.

Referring to Slee as "the third Victoria" is a delicious level of shade to which I can only aspire.

Did Slee attend Ellen Holly’s memorial service?

Yes, R37, and she got all the closeups in the news coverage.

Yes r37, she yelled “get that black bitch’s corpse out of my face.”

Lil's Tercel will be the name of my new band.

Aww I love that picture at r35. Still has real Jennie, Brad, and Sam. Although I must say nuSam was really good. They put her front burner for a while. Her drowning while pregnant was a good way for her to go oh they have fun Karen too. Pat Ashley sure had some hair. How did ugly ass Mahjong Anna get front and center? I did love how everyone called Carla by her passing name but Lil never stopped calling her Clara.

There's that evil little Brian Kendall sitting on Jim's lap.

R35, now I have to know about George Reinholt recording the show’s theme…

Bringing Marcy back as Liza was a great thing for AMC. Always loved Liza…even “defanged” she was still interesting.

Then that fucker Frons made them give storylines to that trash Krystal that would have been better with either Liza or Brooke. I’ll always hate that Liza, Brooke, and my Simone were pushed out in favor of the Careys and the Laverys.

I can’t even talk about the “Liza” who came back toward the end of AMC’s run..as an attorney for some reason!

AMC insider—were you still there when the divine Kate Collins came aboard? Natalie was my favorite soap character ever.

Brian Frons is the one who decided that the shows should backburner women like Liza on AMC and Felicia on GH because they were over 40. Also pushed Bobbie on GH way to the back burner. That's why Brooke on AMC disappeared from the canvas.

Frons didn't think these characters should be driving story since audiences weren't interested in them once they were past 40. Frons said their value to the show was limited because of their advanced age.

Frons did however allow a few women over 40 to drive story. People like Erica on AMC, Viki and Dorian on OLTL and Tracey on GH (although that had a lot to do with here pairing with Luke).

Incidentally, Frons did the same thing at NBC when he took over as head of daytime there in 1983. He put Bo and Hope on the frontburner and sidelined Doug and Julie --the faces of the show at that point. Being sidelined after driving story for the previous 14-15 years is what caused Doug and Julie to quit a year later.

Paul - she’s over here! Slee, helping Rauch fire Lil.

Hated fake Liza. Anyone remember who the VERY brief fake Greg was?

Yes, Jack Armstrong. Nice looking guy, normally wore glasses (but nit on AMC), very Clark Kent looking. I think he left the business. I suspect he was from a wealthy family and maybe dad convinced him to join the family business.

He’s still acting. Or at least up until 2021.

well he did look like Greg. Was this a Lau i sick replacement or they tried a recast? they should have paired him with fake nina

Lau kind of came in and out for a couple of years there until the character was totally written out. Dan Scardino also played Greg for a little bit (he was terrible). Bottom line, Greg just wasn’t interesting without Jenny. Armstrong was really cute, though.

Wasn't Armstrong one of the brief Kevin Buchanans? I think he was too white-bread. Kirk Geiger was good (and sexy) and, much later, Dan Gauthier was wonderfully hunky. And I remember Timothy Gibbs as being, well, trying. He was overacting, too intense, and, in the end, annoying.

It felt like Armstrong was Kevin for about 5 minutes, followed by that forgettable Ken something. There was another Kevin who wasn't bad, replaced by Gibbs I think. Gauthier was my favorite Kevin followed by Geiger.

I understand why they had to age up Joey Buchanan with Nathan Fillion, but I'm also liking the smartass attitude Chris McKenna bought to the role. I wonder if my opinion will change if/when I see the Billy Douglas storyline.

Timothy Gibbs was everything.

I just watched the SATC episode where Miranda dates a cop who is so hot she feels he’s out of her league. Timothy Gibbs was perfectly cast.

I think Timothy was on OLTL for about a week.

Gauthier was the ultimate Kevin. Had the looks, charm, a bit of the gray antihero, entitled, looked good in and out of a suit…

Pity they didn't take his clothes off more, as they did with John LoPrieno. The image of him in a tiny speedo under the waterfall is seared into my mind. Talk about VPL!

Don Scardino was woefully ill suited to dayrine as both Greg on AMC and Chris on AW. Perfectly fine actor but had a pasty white, boring face. Same was true of Brian Lane Green who was an awful Sam replacement on AW.

I still want Tim Gibbs inside me quite deeply!

Scardino was too old for those roles. He was a late 60's/early 70's guy. Trying to make him an Indiana Jones type on Another World was laughable.

Brian Lane Green was also a bad Brian Bodine replacement on AMC. They paired him with Dixie for a bit. He was about as convincing as Esther Williams on horseback.

Does anyone else remember the scene when Dixie and Brian had sex the first time? They played Human Touch by Bruce Springsteen. This was when Matt Borlenghi played Brian. He and Cady McClain actually had great chemistry which was surprising given how popular their other pairings were (Michael Knight and Kelly Ripa). Cady looked great in this era. That scene always stayed with me. I was 16 at the time. Wish I could find it on YouTube.

How did Susan Lucci manage to maneuver around the mess that was the Prospect Park revival? I'm surprised they got as far as they did without Lucci's involvement. I heard that OLTL/AMC once again became the property of ABC after the new shows folded.

It always felt like Gina's Kelly belonged with Gibbs and Tom's Kelly with Gauthier.

Kevin was supposed to have all of Todd's stories but ABC was chicken shit. I like Geiger and Gibbs in the more dramatic issue stories and Gauthier in love story dramas. I also wondered why he was never paired with with Marty who he had a past with him and became the most popular female tragic heroine for a time there and they never tried to tie her to a Buchanan. Instead they had Kelly running through all the Buchanan boys.

Yes, Jack Armstrong was a bad recast twice.

[quote] Don Scardino was woefully ill suited to dayrine as both Greg on AMC and Chris on AW. Perfectly fine actor but had a pasty white, boring face. Same was true of Brian Lane Green who was an awful Sam replacement on AW.

There could be a whole thread about soaps with actors that were pretty but tepid, especially recasts.

Most of the various Hart Jessups on GL were pretty milquetoast, except for the hot Armie Hammer lookalike that became paralyzed, and of course, Suddenly Eyetalian Hart, Frankie Grillo.

So Dorian Strassman was hated by everyone? Miss Frankie Valentini was a little inebriated this past weekend on the hamptons spilling the dirt.

,,,,,

JOE KELLY IS DEAD!

Dear gawd, why'd you have to kill such hot dick?

I started watching OLTL when I was about in 5th grade. My mother worked so she couldn't watch it. We used to put the tape recorder in front of the TV so she could listen to it while she did her housework when she got home. What I remember from those early days was how long, so so long, they would keep a story arc going. I started watching when Cathy Craig kidnapped Joe and Slee's baby. I swear that story went on for nearly a year. They should have never gotten rid of Cathy Craig. The actress who played her was great.

Marty and Kevin would have a good pairing. Loved Kevin Stapleton as Kevin and his pairing with Cassie was on of the characters best.

I go back and forth between Timothy Gibbs and Dan Gaultier but I think my favorite Kevin was/is Dan. Handsome, good actor, a bit of a sense of humor. I know Kevin and Joey weren't Clint's bio sons but Dan really captured best who I'd imagine the oldest son of Clint to be.

Bless Tim Gibbs, though. That man was so fucking sexy.

So sexy but dark Kevin was a miscast!

I can't remember his name. Kind of a useless post. When they first aged Slee's spawn the first couple of older ones they had were just AWFUL.

Yes, I didn't like them atall.

Wasn’t Nathan Fillion one of Slee’s spawns?

R81 Yes, he played one of the Joeys.

The one that ended up clearing the cobwebs out of Dorian's cooter.

He was a bit dark but I did enjoy the Claire Labine written Kevin for Gibbs that couldn't understand why his mother would have sympathy for his former friend and biggest enemy who almost ruined his life. Brother or not. There was a nice color of anger toward her that I thought made Kevin more interesting.

Joey also suffered from horrible recasts. Like Chris McKenna and Nathan Fillion…the rest pale in comparison. Bruce “Priest Joey” Hall was by far the hottest.

Don Jeffcoat was no Nathan Fillion.

Don Jeffcoat was OK but definitely B level to Nathan and Chris.

Chris was so fucking hot on Y&R.

Bring Chris McKenna back! You don't find that kind of raw hotness often.

It seems silly because I can't even remember his name now but I LOVED the romance between Cassie and the Priest.

Andrew

Tonja Walker gossip. When she joined OLTL, she went to The Wiz (early 90’s - Nobody beats the Wiz) and bought a tv/vcr combo so she could tape her scenes and watch them. Everyone at OLTL (except Queen Viki Erika Slezak) had to share a dressing room. Tonja presented her dressing room partner with the bill from The Wiz and said you owe me half since we’re sharing a dressing room. Her dressing room partner said no thanks, I’ll never touch that thing. lolololol

I forgot about Tonja. She was fucking amazing.

^To be clear, Tonja bought the tv/vcr to put in the dressing room so she could record the in house feed of rehearsals. Tonja also insisted of proudly displaying her 8 x 10 framed photo of her cast credit from General Hospital. The OLTL folks were not impressed. Tonja’s a piece of work.

she was magic on screen though. A nutcase but you can't deny how good she was.

Andrew.

I'm trying to remember how and why Cassie and Andrew ended. I'll have to googie it. They were such a major storyline for a while then they were like lets wrap this up on the next episode. It was odd.

Having seen Tonja in action behind the scenes, she’s a nutjob and wasn’t nice to people. She held up production. She came in with an attitude that she had been on General Hospital so bow down to me that I’m doing your measly OLTL. I can’t erase what I saw of her personally. Nasty egotistical bitch. And now to find out she’s a Trump supporter, forget it!

I wonder who Tonja shared a dressing room with? Karen Witter?

One of the black bitches.

Reverend Andrew was the original Hot Priest.

The American version of the Dishy Vicar.

I remember when AMC did a version of the “hot priest” with Brooke. He was played by hunky David Beecroft (damn, those Beecroft boys had some good genes) and I was into the storyline…get you some younger man priest dick, Brooke!

It ended abruptly when it inexplicably turned out he was actually Stan, the drunk driver who killed Brooke’s daughter Laura years and years before. Very weird twist.

YOU KILLED MY CHILD!

R100 I never understood that story. I mean maybe if they had dragged it out for years it would have been something. But it immediately hit the rocks because Brooke wasn't going to forgive him.

Greg Beecroft has his name over many of my jerk off sessions. Truly beautiful men.

They kept giving Brooke the most needlessly tortured love or near-love stories. Wasn't there ANY good man in Pine Valley?

When our generation is gone, who will tell the stories of the Tercel and Paul Rauch and Pat Ashley's BJs?

My mom was so upset when they broke up Brooke and Tom. She LOVED Tom Cudahy. He was a hot piece when he was young.

I liked Brooke with nearly all the males they paired her with. I did like the stories that were generated when she was paired with Adam though. Julia was the Meryl of daytime. Slee was the G.

I know that winning two Emmys isn’t exactly “underrated,” but I do feel like Julia Barr isn’t appreciated enough as one of the best soap actresses ever. Certainly not by that mother fucker Frons who got rid of her. Maybe because she was never over the top?

You can have your Slut of Springfield speeches and your hooker courtroom revelations, but to me, Brooke finding out her daughter had been killed by a drunk driver is the best bit of soap acting ever.

remember the brief fakeBrooke they had for a little while? God she sucked. Almost as bad as nuNina.

When I first started watching, Brooke wasn’t on. She showed up later and I remember asking my mom who she was, and she said that’s the REAL Brooke. I think she wasn’t back in Pine Valley for long when Tom’s friend raped her. I saw an old clip of that fake Brooke. She was terrible. Julia Barr was actually the second Brooke. I wasn’t aware of that for a long time. I think the first one was only on for a short time.

Julia was recruited from Ryan's Hope where she played gold digger Reenie Szabo. I agree she was a rock on AMC, such a steady, calming presence.

That brief Hulu reboot of AMC was pretty good, like old AMC, even without big leaguers like Lucci, Canary, and Knight. They paired Brooke with Dimitri, and it worked. I think if it had been a couple of years later and people were more used to streaming, it would have lasted.

R111 agree, the AMC reboot was leap years better than the OLTL one. They were about 6-7 years too early.

Now that DAYS is on The Cock, people are more in tune with the idea of streaming soap.

R107 i agree with you. Laura's death and Marty's gang rape had very special acting moments for those actresses. They did some stuff that was better than Judy Light's monumentally famous performance ..

No one will ever match Judith Light’s performance on the witness stand. Ever. I’ve watched the Julia Barr scenes where she learns that Laura died. They’re good, not great. Judith was great.

Honestly though Brooke was more important to AMC than Karen was to OLTL. After the witness stand every Karen story sucked. I mean for fuck's sake they had her and Marco working as carnies. Then I think she was in the jungle. Everything else about her fat ass isn't too memorable.

I’m waiting for the inevitable post that Judy Light’s courtroom scenes were studied in acting classes.

She was so fucking fat. Remember that polka dot dress she wore all the time? I'm so sad. I'm so sad. Get a job bitch.

I thought Nora and her courtroom speech is some of the shows best!

Nora was no Karen Wolek! Not by a long shot.

Meh. I never got the adoration of Karen Wolek. Any middling actress could have pulled it off. The only reason it gets so much attention it was just such an unheard of, original plot. Most of the credit goes to the writers and Mr. Herb Callison. I like the pretty, ditzy version of Karen a lot more.

Nora's stunning summation at Marty's rape trial is on par with Light. Especially the scenes in the bathroom before where she talks to Rachel about knowing she's defending 3 rapists without saying it. She was fantastic with Haskell in the bathroom sequence too because it was the first time in their relationship and dynamic that Nora was low key apologizing. "I know you've always seen me as a desperate, pathetic, liar. But I did not lie about this. And I think you know it".