August 4, 1944: A Sad Anniversary

She definitely would have been a feminist.

A little over 9 months until the end of the war in Europe and the Nazi's are still rounding up and herding off people to the camps.

Mystery solved! It was Peter.

Everyone knows OJ was guilty.

My grandma lived in Amsterdam during the war and liked it for the most part. There was one family she didn't get along with, but she said she took care of the situation.

She would have been a Jew for Palestine as she was an esteemed writer and young brilliant mind. It’s par for the course.

[quote]they still don’t know who betrayed them.

Brunhilda Kravitz.

Thank you, OP.

A sad commemoration, but one which must not be forgotten as the fascists attempt to rewrite history.

May this memory remain a blessing.

The statue commemorating Anne Frank in Amsterdam was defaced with pro-Palestinian graffiti for the second time today

That'll stick it to the late Anne Frank, r9! I hold her personally responsible for the violence in the Mideast.

She would have been a famous writer, proud lesbian, and personal friends with Oprah.

r11 Maybe not Oprah but I agree she was at least bisexual. Definitely would have made a name for herself had she escaped her fate. Beautiful, extremely bright girl. RIP Ann sweetie ♡♡

Even if they hadn’t been discovered, they may not have survived The Hunger Winter of 1944-45, when the Nazis cut off food and supplies to the Netherlands. The helpers would have been trying desperately to get food for themselves.

R13 What a stark reminder of the things we take for granted today. RIP Anne. Eternal beautiful soul.

The Dutch are evil

She would have been a Belieber!

I'm so disgusted with those people, R9. This Palestine business has really encouraged people to ramp up their latent--or even blatant--anti-Semitism.

[quote]Even if they hadn’t been discovered, they may not have survived The Hunger Winter of 1944-45, when the Nazis cut off food and supplies to the Netherlands.

They could've ended up eating the diary.

R18 stop that! 🤭

I didn’t take Ozempic. I went on the Anne Frank diet.

Wasn’t David Mamet or someone else working on a remake of the 1959 film?

The National Geographic series (aired on Disney+) A Small Light was really fantastic. It told the story from Miep’s perspective, which made the glimpses of the Jews in hiding even more poignant. The whole thing had a contemporary feel that made the story fresh. Liev Schreiber and Powley gave smart, real performances.

Visiting the Anne Frank House is also really moving.

R21 Can I star. My husband is half Jewish.

R2, even worse, the eight Jews were on the last transport to Auschwitz in September of 1944. They were very fortunate to survive in the Secret Annex for two years, but their luck ran out. Each of them died very close to liberation, and only Mr. Van Daan/Pels died in the gas chambers.

There's a wonderful mini series on Hulu called A Small Light. It is the story of the Frank family as told through the eyes of Meip, the friend who helped hide them. Bell Powley plays Miep and Liev Schreiber plays Ann's father. This was brilliant. Please watch it. I thought I knew the story, but I learned so much more.

R25 meet r22.

A Small Light is very good.

It's true, we will likely never know who betrayed them. The good news is whoever it was is now dead.

Mr. Frank had considered sending the girls to England, where they most likely would have survived.

Just up the road in Haarlem, Corrie ten Boom was hiding Jews in her house. Her house was raided and she, her father and sister were arrested. Her father died in jail and her sister in a concentration camp. She was released from the concentration camp only due to a clerical error. The Jews she was hiding escaped.

How awful Otto must’ve felt when he realized that he missed the opportunity to save his daughters. He did try to get help from Nathan Straus, the owner of Macy’s (brother of Isidor who died on the TITANIC), whom he interned for in the early 1900’s, but by the time immigration authorities got involved, the US was at war with the Nazis and it was too late.

R30 People seem to not understand that hiding Jews would put you and your own family in serious jeopardy. It was a risk some people were willing to make.

The most recent theory is that Arnold van den Bergh, a Jewish Dutchman, betrayed the Franks in exchange for his own family's protection. If it was indeed him, he lived to see the publication of Anne's diary.

Kit, that theory was walked back very quickly.

R31, even more tragic - the Frank side of the family all survived in Switzerland. Holland had been neutral in World War I and was a haven for Jews since the 16th century. Settling there was a fatal miscalculation, as three quarters of Dutch Jews were killed by the Nazis.

Why would the Germans promise Arnold van den Bergh and family safety if they give up another Jewish family? That doesn't make sense. Unless he knew about multiple such Jewish hideouts, so he was giving up several families in exchange for his own. Even that seems far fetched.

Bep Voskujl, another secretary employed by Otto who also helped hide the Franks, had a sister who consorted with Dutch Nazis. Her son wrote a book about it. But once again, nothing came concrete.

Many Jews betrayed their people because the Germans promised them safety. The problem was that Nazies were liars.

R37 Tell me about it.

[quote]They could've ended up eating the diary.

We've all eaten our own words at some point.

She’s in the attic!!

I didn't realise that, R34, thanks for the link. Must have been very distressing for that man's family.

r22 r25 is it available on other streaming services besides Hulu? I'm in Canada and have yet to find a VPN that actually works.

R42, it’s on Disney+ in Canada. The link suggests a NordTV VPN to stream for free from UKTV Play.

Thanks r43.

[quote]The statue commemorating Anne Frank in Amsterdam was defaced with pro-Palestinian graffiti for the second time today

R9 Evil never sleeps

[quote]The National Geographic series (aired on Disney+) A Small Light was really fantastic. It told the story from Miep’s perspective, which made the glimpses of the Jews in hiding even more poignant. The whole thing had a contemporary feel that made the story fresh. Liev Schreiber and Powley gave smart, real performances.

R22 (and R25) I will see if I can get this on a streaming service down under, I have three so hopefully one will have it

[quite]Visiting the Anne Frank House is also really moving.

I think I will pass on this, as I know I will end up in tears. I went and visited a small Holocaust museum in Cape Town and thats what happened there

[quote]Many Jews betrayed their people because the Germans promised them safety. The problem was that Nazies were liars.

R37 and they still are to this day, see Hamas and their bullshit and fakery

One thing that most people don’t realize is that Hitler’s Nuremberg Laws were, in part, based on American Jim Crow laws and other legal forms of discrimination (reservations for our indigenous peoples, the Chinese Exclusion Act…) based on race and ethnicity. The US government had the nerve to tell black men that they had to enlist to fight against Hitler because the Nazis hated them because they were black…the hypocrisy was almost supernatural. They actually thought the US laws were too strict BION.

R46, I knew that too. Learned it in middle school of all places. We had an African American history teacher who thought outside the box and that goodness that she did! We also had a teacher from Israel on some sort of exchange program who educated us about Hitler and the Holocaust. He was a nice guy. A lot of the students didn’t like him because he gave morning quizzes which most of us would fail. But he educated us about the genocide and talked about how members of his family in America were very involved with the civil rights struggle. I can never hate on Jewish people as a group. Most of my white friendships have been with Jewish people. LOL now I sound like a stereotypical Jewish liberal 🥴🥴🥴 but it’s true.

R46 you are exactly right my friend. In many ways the wars sped up civil rights implementation. It was the perfect argument to be made and it worked. You are forcing black men like many men around the country to fight in these wars and then when they return to the states treating them like 2nd class citizens.

[quote]He did try to get help from Nathan Straus, the owner of Macy’s (brother of Isidor who died on the TITANIC), whom he interned for in the early 1900’s, but by the time immigration authorities got involved, the US was at war with the Nazis and it was too late

We've could've done it.

[quote]He did try to get help from Nathan Straus, the owner of Macy’s

It probably wouldn’t have helped. FDR turned away a boat of Jewish refugees.

R48, not to mention the ending of colonialism in Asia and Africa…it took a while but once India got its independence, it could not be stopped.

R50, you don’t seem to have a very clear picture. Because of FDR, the US saved the most European Jews of any country. By far. The next closest was (British) Palestine, who cut a deal early on with Hitler before he decided he’d prefer to kill Jews. And before the Arab Palestinians begged to help him out.

But your reference to the MS St. Louis is true. The ship was denied entrance in Cuba, though a few dozen American Jews were allowed to leave the boat. Neither the US nor Canada allowed the shop to enter. It returned to Belgium, and about a third were allowed passage to the UK.

The remaining passengers were returned to Western Europe, which was free then but got invaded by the Nazis the next year. About a third of those Jews died in the Holocaust. Ironically, the survival rate on that ship was much higher than European Jews at large.

For a truly fascinating story about how small decisions can have life or death consequences, I highly recommend The Unwanted by Michael Dobbs. It follows the fates of the Jews in a small German town called Kippenheim (some of its residents ended up on the St. Louis). America had a far more nuanced and positive record saving Jews than many think, even though it fell far short both before and after the war.

[quote]you don’t seem to have a very clear picture. Because of FDR…

Oh, Eleanor, don’t try to defend your husband. FDR was dragged kicking and screaming into the war. Had he acted sooner, Anne Frank would probably be a guest lecturer at Harvard University.

Blame Breckinridge Long also. He quashed the reports of the death camps and made it extremely difficult for most European Jews to emigrate to America.

R53 No bitch we would have arrived sooner and had that Jew canceled in the 70s.

R53 I see, so you believe that FDR is actually responsible for Anne Frank's death.

[quote]Anne Frank would probably be a guest lecturer at Harvard University.

Then again, she was spared going on Oprah’s show and having Oprah act like she had been through the same experience, which is what happened to Elie Weisel.

Anne Frank would be 95.

R57 I have a recollection of the Elie Weisel interview and it was very weird.

Oprah and Elie Wiesel at Auschwitz

[quote]I have a recollection of the Elie Weisel interview and it was very weird.

It was weird because Elie Weisel survived a concentration camp and became an intellectual while Oprah is a dope.

outsourcing your work is so amateurish.

The Oprah/Elie Wiesel episode was so cringe I can’t watch it without squinting.

Oprah meant well, but her habit of interrupting people to insert how she felt would temper the message. She did this to everyone it seems.

R9 that depresses the hell out of me.

Maybe we don’t need to know who betrayed her and her family….

The only Dutch woman to be executed for her wartime activities was Jewish lesbian Anna "Ans" van Dijk. Van Dijk was arrested on Easter Sunday 1943 by the Sicherheitsdienst (SD). After promising to work for the SD, van Dijk was released. Pretending to be a member of the resistance, she offered to help Jews find hiding places and obtain false papers. In this way, she trapped at least 145 people, including her own brother and his family. Some 85 of her victims later died in concentration camps. She may have been responsible for the deaths of as many as 700 people. It has been suggested that she may have betrayed Anne Frank and her family.

[quote]Do you think that had Anne survived that she would’ve been a famous writer like she wanted to be?

No.

The family guy stan is the one who should be sent to a death camp

[Quote] Jewish lesbian Anna "Ans" van Dijk.

She was a lesbian and her name was Van dijk? (Pronounced “Van dike”)

A little on the nose, isn’t it?

Lesbians get shit done.

[Italic]The Safekeep[/italic] by Yael van der Wouden deals with Dutch attitudes towards the Holocaust. Sadly, not always a pleasant read.

[quote]She was a lesbian and her name was Van dijk? (Pronounced “Van dike”) A little on the nose, isn’t it?

'Van Dijk' is actually the fifth most common surname here in the Netherlands. It's like being called 'Williams' or 'Anderson' in the U.S.

[quote]FDR was dragged kicking and screaming into the war.

Actually, they rolled him into it.

This film image of Anne Frank haunts me, as does the fact that she died just weeks before the liberation.

FDR was not dragged into the war. He wanted to be in the war long before we entered the war. He found many way to go around the Neutrality Acts. Things like the lend lease program.

I heard that FDR was reluctant only because of the fact that most Americans at the time had an isolationist stance. He wanted to be reelected and was wary about alienating voters.

The Anne Frank story and the whole Jewish plight with the Nazis has always been so sad and haunting to me. I haven’t been to the house in Amsterdam yet but I remember when I visited the Holocaust Museum in DC at the beginning of the tour they gave each of us a “passport” that featured a picture and story of an actual concentration camp prisoner. At the end of the tour each of us were told what happened to our prisoner. I was especially moved because the bio i got was a gay man. He was a cabaret entertainer arrested for being homosexual. It told how he had to wear a pink triangle instead of a jewish star that labeled him as gay. I was relieved to find out that he had survived and went on to own his own cabaret night club in Berlin. As a queer man i felt especially moved and emotional that the person i got was a queer victim of the Holocaust. The Holocaust Museum in Washington, DC is a must see. I recommend everyone visit it if they can.

FDR also knew that the US needed to ramp up their military infrastructure and supplies if they were going to get into the war, which they did and assisted Great Britain with a variety of supplies before joining the war. The preparation leading up to the war and planning were key components in winning the war.

FDR knew we were going to be involved eventually. Sooner than later. The most important thing he did for the war effort was to make sure we could hit the ground running.

That Frank girl was a big fan of Norma Shear. Plastered the walls with magazine clippings and photos of that cross-eyed ditz.

I did what I had to do.

I believe in my heart of hearts, she would’ve been a belieber.

RIP, girl.

You must know she and her family were not the only ones this tragic shit happened to or who wrote about it. There were many others!!

^ R82, meet R16.

R83 we know…but she’s the most well known victim. Do you have any suggestions?

Also, r85, she was the first victim of the Nazis many Americans heard of, when we read her diary in school in the 1950s.

It gave a face to a victim of the Holocaust and became much more relatable .

Stfu Anne Frank troll

There were many others if you’d look it up on fucking Google! You might exercise the limited brain cells you have left!!!

What was the last line in Anne Frank's diary?

˙ɹoop ǝɥʇ uo ƃuıʞɔouʞ s,ǝuoǝɯos 'ʇuǝɯoɯ ɐ ʇsnɾ

No one on this thread is unaware that there are millions of other victims. We certainly don't need Google to know that. This thread commemorates the anniversary of her family's deportation. Her statue in Amsterdam was defaced, so she was in the news for several reasons last week. Show some respect.

I know all about the millions of lives lost and the legacy of the atrocities that occurred. You can lick my asshole because you ARE NOT about to give me a lesson on what is appropriate homage on fucking DL!!!!

R88 r91 stop being a childish idiot…no one is being a troll except you! Grow up or leave this thread.

The Diary of Anne Frank has been banned in some Florida school districts because she said she wanted to feel her friend's growing breasts in the diary (since she hadn't developed them yet herself) and that she reflected on having her period for the first time in it as well.

Eva Schloss was a friend of Anne Frank's and was also sent to Auschwitz. She survived and is still alive at age 95.

I fixed it, at least for me. It’s BLOCKED!

I realize that there are scads of Holocaust diaries and memoirs. One name that comes to mind is Etty Hillesum. She was born in 1914 to a rather anarchic family. She was something of a party girl who discovered her spiritual identity as the Nazis invaded Holland and made the lives of Jews increasingly difficult. She had plenty of opportunities to escape but refused to do so. She even volunteered to go to Westerbork Transit Camp where she kept her diary. I don’t understand her mindset at all but she found a purpose in her life under oppression.

Stupid bastards on here

R94, Eva Schloss is actually Anne Frank’s stepsister. Her mother married Otto Frank after the war.

Awhile back, there was a thread about "If you could go back in time, what is one thing you would change." One poster wrote: "I would tell Anne Frank that that hairdo really doesn't work for her." I still laugh at that.

Did Eva really know Anne that well? I know that she met her briefly when they were kids.

OP, she did end up becoming a world renowned, famous writer.

Very unfortunate that this happened posthumously, under horrific circumstances, but nevertheless, she remains one of the most famous & well known writers of her century, as well as ours.

R2 the only war where they came out on top…almost.

Too bad Otto Frank didn’t choose Denmark over the Netherlands. They saved almost their entire Jewish population from the death camps. Other than a couple hundred who didn’t escape in time. And they were sent to Theresienstadt, where some died of natural causes, the rest survived and were liberated by the Red Cross. But no Danish Jew died in a gas chamber.

Anne Frank didn't die in a gas chamber. She was relocated to the Bergen-Belsen camp, where she contracted typhus, along with Margot, her sister. Both became delusional at the end. Margot fell from her "bed" and the shock killed her. Anne removed her clothes because the lice were so bad. When Margot died, she quickly followed.

I'm aware of that R103. I was talking about the Danish Jews and saying that if Otto Frank had moved to Denmark he and his family would have survived. I know how Anne and Margot died.

R78 do you think it was just a coincidence that you were given the “passport” of a gay man, or do you think they suspected you were also of the homosexual persuasion?