It’s Shapiro

R1.

Why do I get the feeling that this thread will end in tears?

Afro Asian...Jew, is this a stealth DEI hating race thread?

R1- And they say that I am a CUNT!

You outcunt me on my cuntiest day!

[quote] I have never been so proud to be a liberal Democrat.

I'm glad that does your ego good. Now Trump is now going to win the elections. Cheers, idiot.

It's a switch and bait. The real choice will be Beshear.

He raped me. Three fingers.

Sure Svetlana, R1.

R6 I do sort of wonder if they’re throwing the Trump team red herrings so they’ll spend their time planning attacks on the wrong guy.

What does Shapiro canceling weekend plans have to do with the VP announcement on Tuesday? Lots of back-and-forth on having Shapiro on the ticket when NOTHING has been announced and OP has offered nothing in the way of inside knowledge or proof.

Nothing to see here folks...

This doesn't mean anything. Even if Shapiro isn't her VP pick, it would make sense that he would appear and speak at the rally in Philly in support of her candidacy. He's the governor of the state after all, and has vowed to do anything in his power to back her campaign.

An announcement tomorrow makes sense. They will bring in an astronomical sum over the weekend, and they can be the focus of the Sunday newspapers and news shows.

[quote]I have never been so proud to be a liberal Democrat.

Identity politics is nothing to be proud of. Identity politics is what go us into this mess in the first place - people on both sides more concerned about "identity" than policy and leadership.

Be "proud" if she picked someone with strong educational credentials who has shown leadership and a strong knowledge of policy and its impact.

Be "proud" if her choice adds depth and breadth to the ticket with the strongest opportunity to win the election.

Be "proud" if he's a candidate who has shown strength and courage to do what's right, not what's expedient.

OP has never been so proud to be a retard.

R13.

R14, I agree with your stance on identity politics, but politics has always been about politics. Johnson was picked by JFK to lock in Texas. It's always been a chess game but the players did indeed know how to play chess back then.

It's premature to declare but yeah, signs are pointing to Shapiro:

- Harris and Veep kick off tour Tuesday in Philly PA - Harris has reportedly deep-vetted just 2: Kelly and Shapiro - Harris says she wants someone with executive experience (that'd be Shapiro or Walz) - PA has those 20 electoral votes - scutttlebutt is that she really likes him

I'm nervous about it being Shapiro, Jewish with a stereotypically Jewish surname at a time when anti-semitism is so high on the progressive left. It just seems like a setup for more bigotry to get flung at the Harris-VP ticket. Fringe orgs are already calling him "Genocide Josh". But he is smart and telegenic and charismatic when you get to know him.

If true, this has me optimistic but nervous. But PA loves the guy -- and he would trounce Vance in a debate.

Meaningless.

He would cancel his plans even if he’s just in the running.

And we already know that.

(and ^, TIL that when you hit return and type a short list in your DL post, it ignores the returns and dumps out a paragraph. Pardon that.)

This is shaping up to be the biggest disaster since Gore/Lieberman in 2000.

Absurd, R20. Harris is inspiring a lot more enthusiasm than Gore did in 2000, and Shapiro is younger and smarter and better looking and much more TV-friendly than Lieberman ever was on his best day.

I don't know if you remember how awkward and wooden and ambivalent about being our nominee Al Gore seemed in 2000, but I do. It was "cringe" as the GenZ kiddies say today. It is nothing like we are seeing with Harris and the rallies she's pulled off in the past week-plus.

What do Shapiro and Lieberman have in common? I know there’s something. What could it be?

R16 was in reply to R13 not the erudite poster at R14. Apologies.

R21, Gore's downfall was distancing himself from Clinton and the Monica scandal. He thought he'd cruise to victory with a clean slate. The problem was he already had the personality of a blank slate and desperately needed the Clinton charisma to roll him over the finish line. The weasel weaseled and in the end, it bit him in the ass. That and hanging chads and the SC intervening. Oh, well.

R22, is posting from 2000.

[quote]Identity politics is nothing to be proud of.

And yet identity politics is ALWAYS cited as the reason Democratic running mates had to be white men from the South (Bentsen, Gore, Edwards, Kaine) or otherwise appeal to white christian constituencies (Biden was chosen over Mark Warner - a white man from the South - because he was Catholic.) Despite blacks and Jews being the backbone of the Democratic Party for DECADES. Or the Republicans putting the nastiest most extreme candidates (Dick Cheney, Mike Pence) or complete morons (Dan Quayle, Sarah Palin, JD Vance) on their tickets. Democrats always had to apologize for being diverse, and liberal, every four years.

This is a moment anyone who is not a white heterosexual Christian male - which is the entire board - should relish.

Oh, please. Beshear has also concelled his weekend event schedule.

Have they actually announced a VP or not? I'm fucking sick of all this misinformation.

Walz also canceled his weekend schedule, in addition to Beshear. Kelly doesn't seem to be doing anything this weekend, either.

So, no, it's not necessarily Shapiro.

R27, they have not. We (this thread at least) are in over-eager speculation mode.

[quote] I'm fucking sick of all this misinformation

It's the lunatic Shapiro fringe, hyping up their guy in hopes that all of this publicity will sway public opinion.

They're deranged and relentless.

Just ignore them. They desperately want this guy to be Vice-President.

This means absolutely nothing. And considering the baggage that Shapiro has, I’d be surprised if he’s picked as the VP. It’s not like he’s needed to win Pennsylvania. Obama/Biden won PA 2008 and 2012. Biden/Harris won it in 2020. Hell, even Gore and Kerry won PA in 2000 and 2004 respectively. He’s not needed to win PA.

Cry harder! Your tears replenish my electrolytes!

R16, that’s not why OP is happy.

R27, KH has until August 7th to make her decision. But as R12 mentioned upthread, it would be to her advantage to announce early on Friday. Then she has the weekend fundraising and the Sunday press in overdrive.

Remember when Trump would fire or lose another staffer they would release the info late on Friday afternoon so it would be buried before he got the hell out of dodge for the weekend.

Yay! PA is in the bizz-ag!

If true that S, B, K, and W have all canceled their weekend plans then that's a great head fake to TrumpCo.

It goes to show you that when you run against your President and Party Democrats are fucked.

Biden made the supreme sacrifice, and Democrats are running wit their present and future Presidents.

Republicans need to toss their checkers in the ketchup bowl, and the bowl at the wall.

I always find it crass when people talk about their sexual desires here- So I usually leave that I find someone attractive.

But there is something about Shapiro that makes me downright hawnty as HELL and want to say dirty things. All the things!

Basically I think he throws a MEAN fuck and he can harass me until the cows come home!!!

Dee Plorables all over the midcontinent are having blood sugar spikes and heart attacks.

Waltz has canceled his appearance at some county fairs and Beshear canceled an appearance in western Kentucky which will never vote for a Democrat.

Shapiro has canceled fundraisers in the Hamptons which you do not do unless it is critical.

R39 Get them Ozempic!

Am I an idiot...- Are these VP nominess all canceling events to be at the speech in Philly?

So in essence it could be any of them, but the fact that my future husband Shapiro is cancelling such an important event, is that he is the likeliest pick?

He would be canceling it so he can spend the weekend preparing for his whistle stop tour next week and maybe do press on Sunday.

I think it's to be available for final interviews.

[quote] As of Thursday, the Harris team was still actively vetting potential candidates. “They’re watching the J.D. Vance experiment go horribly wrong and they want to be sure they’re doing their due diligence,” a longtime Democratic operative told the Daily Beast.

Latest polls showing she's caught up in PA, without Shapiro. Meanwhile, she needs to make up ground in AZ and NV. Points to Kelly being most strategic.

I just can’t see Harris, the potential first woman POTUS, picking Shapiro as her VP with that sex case cover-up. In a year where generating women voters is key, that would cause major issues for her campaign.

I don't really have any plans this weekend, maybe it's me?

Sounds like Kamala is having them all over for a gangbang- with Doug as the cuck. May the studliest man win.

You need to be vetted, R47. Time to present hole.

Not really our type.

[quote]Gore's downfall was distancing himself from Clinton and the Monica scandal. He thought he'd cruise to victory with a clean slate. The problem was he already had the personality of a blank slate and desperately needed the Clinton charisma to roll him over the finish line.

Tipper was also a bitch whose main concern was putting warning labels on albums with explicit lyrics.

[quote]Tipper was also a bitch whose main concern was putting warning labels on albums with explicit lyrics.

She had a point. Movies already had a rating system in place.

[quote]I just can’t see Harris, the potential first woman POTUS, picking Shapiro as her VP with that sex case cover-up. In a year where generating women voters is key, that would cause major issues for her campaign.

Blame the plaintiff. She’s the one who chose to cover it up by agreeing to a confidential money settlement.

[quote]In a year where generating women voters is key, that would cause major issues for her campaign.

“Because Josh Shapiro’s office paid a woman who brought a sexual harassment complaint to them and received a settlement to her satisfaction, I have no choice but to vote for a rapist who wants to take away all rights I have to control my own body.” - women, as this idiot sees them

We'll find out on Tuesday with the press staking out the residences of Tim W, Josh, Pete, Andy & Mark. When the big black govt cars roll up to the house, we'll have our answer probably before the rally.

It's battle royal between Waltz, Shapiro and Beshear.

They claim that Pritzker is still in the mix, even though nobody on DL mentions him. He's not attractive, so we don't want him!

[quote] Blame the plaintiff.

Yeah, that's what Shapiro did.

That's why women hate him.

r1 " And neither will I. "

A vote not for them is a vote for Trump. Congrats.

[quote] “Because Josh Shapiro’s office paid a woman who brought a sexual harassment complaint to them and received a settlement to her satisfaction, I have no choice but to vote for a rapist who wants to take away all rights I have to control my own body.” - women, as this idiot sees them

You're a fucking moron with such binary thinking. It's not about whether women will vote for Trump because of this; it's the fact that some won't come out and vote at all if Shapiro is on the ticket. Many are already voicing their opposition to him being Harris' VP pick (along with progressive anti-war activists over Gaza and teachers unions with his support of school vouchers). There are many others that the Harris campaign can choose from without the headache of causing dissension within the base.

But go ahead and continue championing Shapiro as the VP, and watch how the media ramps up all the negative friction his pick will create among his detractors.

The bots are improving on this thread. Stirring up gloom and doom and some dissention. Bravo, Vlad!

r60 You're an idiot

R60 is completely right.

This guy will bring nothing but division, to a campaign that is really flying high right now.

Does he support Israel? That's all I really care about.

Datalounge is not in charge of who gets picked, sadly. Get over it and vote for her. Or sit out like a dipshit.

R60

Just say the k word

I know you want to

It’s Shapiro what? Trump’s ticket to the presidency?

R66, blocked. Nothing about what I said could remotely be interpreted as anti-Semitic.

R68 that’s what they always say. It’s the new “some of my best friends are black.”

I really don't know enough about Shapiro to have an opinion on him one way or another. But I do know Kamala Harris well enough to know she wouldn't blow her current advantage by pulling a Trumply move and choosing a bad VP who would alienate voters. So far, Datalounge has told me that he will lose young voters because of his stance on Israel, and that he will lose female voters because of something about covering up a sex thing. If he's really that divisive he wouldn't be on Kamala's short list. She's no dummy.

I swear, the rate we're going someone is gonna slip up and accuse him of having connections to Jewish space lasers... If there is a hell, it's full of trolls...

R66 is OP and is talking to himself through the entire thread. Just FF the troll.

[quote]She's no dummy

Is your kool-aid grape or cherry flavored? She’s as dumb as a rock.

R71.

r72, we know you know that Republicans have lost the 2024 elections.

No reason to call names like your soon-to-be incarcerated Trump.

Yeah -she's SO dumb she got college degrees, passed the California Bar, became an attorney general and a senator, and Vice President of the United States.

Sounds like a total moron to me.

The safe bet is Mark Kelly. He can be bland (but adequate) and Kamala will shine. Good optics with his astronaut & his military background. Might pull in some older fellas who are sick of Trump's stupidity/insanity. Plus, AZ's democratic governor can appoint someone to his seat in the senate. His wife, Gabby Giffords, adds positively to this ticket. Harris/Kelly 2024.

^^^^

Boris MAGAT just showed his cards.

Now you get an FF and a Block!

R78 = jealous because he sucked dick and is still a shop bottom.

Sorry, R79. I suck dick because I love it. I want to give head, not get ahead.

R79 is quoting Melania’s reassurances to her hubby

He’s coming to my town tomorrow. So is Trump. On a Friday in summer sweltering heat and traffic. Good times

I should a read the whole tweet.

I guess Shapiro is not coming in after all.

He probably cancelled when he found out Trump was also going to be here. We didn’t know until today.the town sent a cryptic email yesterday saying there was going to be a “traffic event.” We thought maybe it would be Harris but alas it is Trump. The last time he was here I was made late for a doctor appointment and the local neighborhood rightwing multi millionaire farmer hung a bedsheet he painted with MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN from his flagpole.

I really think Shapiro only cancelled because of Trump being in the same town for a fundraiser. They come in through Gabreski Airport in Westhampton and police reroute traffic. It really is a mess and they don’t tell the town when Trump is definitely coming until the last minute.

Shapiro will have those suburban housewives dripping wet with lust. They won't give two shits about school vouchers.

He has my lady daisy slicker than the wings of a sparrow in a rainstorm!!!

Don't worry about Nevada, Joe beat Trump in Las Vegas (85% of NV voters) by 10 points.

What we have to worry about is our ALEC/Koch bro governor fucking up the certification.

Why are Dataloungers so ridiculously obsessed this week with being the first to announce who the VP pick will be?

We've now had three posters starting different threads stating that the VP pick will DEFINITELY be Beshear, and then Buttigieg, and now Shapiro.

OP, you come across like an idiot.

R88 why does anyone do anything?

[quote]OP, you come across like an idiot.

Let me guess, your favorite wittle gentile got passed over.

Oops! I said Passover! Did I offend you?

I haven't been following the Veepstakes closely. Can someone give me the elevator version of what's wrong with Shapiro? Is this some kind of DL thing?

Shapiro is thought to be too newly installed in office as Governor of Pennsylvania, r90. He's only held that position for just a year.

By contrast, Andy Beshear and Tim Walz have twice been elected governor of their home states.

Also, Mark Kelly has won two elections to be senator from AZ: in a special election in 2019, and then again in 2022.

Thank you, R91.

OP so your focus is on race and religion?

Yes r94.

And we have had enough of the ones of the person on the upper right of your photo.

R13 whines about identity politics but neglects to mention that white supremacy is a form of identity politics. Ann Coulter said she wouldn't vote for someone who isn't white and a lot of Republicans feel the same way

R6 is correct. It’s going to be Beshear.

[Quote] An Afro-Asian woman from San Francisco and a Jew.

Your description of the candidates speaks volumes.

Yes, it’s a bait and switch to humiliate a Jew who could end up being President one day.

That will please the donors in New York and Los Angeles.

So Eldergays, how do you think it will all end? Nuclear Attack? Pandemic? Extreme Global warming? Transgender Uprising ?

R98 I’m sorry maybe I should have used your vernacular

Pete Buttigieg is not going to be VP and he knows it. He's a great surrogate and he will get a cabinet position. Kelly is so uncharismatic and just plain ugly. It will be Beshear.

For the Pete fans.

I was listening to Michael Moore on MSNBC, and he was pulling for Buttigieg to be the VP and urging the Harris campaign not to select Shapiro. He mentioned that Buttigieg lives near him in Michigan and praised him for being an incredible attack dog. Hopefully, Buttigieg will run for a senate seat in Michigan one day (Debbie Stabenow is getting up in age).

Holding on to the Senate will be tough enough without taking out Mark Kelly.

[quote] Hopefully, Buttigieg will run for a senate seat in Michigan one day (Debbie Stabenow is getting up in age).

Stabenow announced last year that she wasn't going to seek re-election and is retiring.

She isn’t going to pick Shapiro.

It will be Beshear.

R101 No that's your vernacular dear. The flipside of the same coin.

The Presidential race has become a Tinder app. You support whoever engorges your private parts.

Same for the straight men who voted for Melania in 2016 (but not so much in 2020).

Wow, it’s strange that all the VP hopefuls cancelled their weekend plans, especially fundraisers.

[quote] Can someone give me the elevator version of what's wrong with Shapiro? Is this some kind of DL thing?

I can explain it in three letters.

It’s very sad because he would have been/still could be the perfect candidate. But I think 🤔 it’s more about the war than just being Jewish.

It’s going to be Walz.

[quote]Wow, it’s strange that all the VP hopefuls cancelled their weekend plans, especially fundraisers.

They’re likely all meeting with her this weekend for interviews / further vetting.

Walz is the guy who came up with the "weird" comment in his very practical way of explaining things. I think he'd be fine as a pick.

[quote] But I think 🤔 it’s more about the war than just being Jewish.

His positions on the war are the same as all the other candidates, but only he is unacceptable to the fringe left. Why? Because his selection would signal that the party and the nation throughly reject their attempts to declare the existence of Israel to be some kind of war crime. His selection would kick them to the curb. They fear it.

Walz is my dream pick, then Kelly. Beshear seems like the thirstiest, but he would be the safe and boring option. Pete would be better suited for some other position until he has more experience. Shapiro is too controversial. Pritzker is not telegenic at all.

Shapiro will make the Dems lose Michigan. And the elections.

Axios think it's Shapiro

[quote] Shapiro will make the Dems lose Michigan. And the elections.

Right, because the Arabs are going to vote for the Total Muslim Ban guy who wants to let Israel “finish the job.”

Many Arabs are supporting Trum over "social issues" r120 “Arabs and Muslims are conservative. They believe values. They oppose abortion. They believe strongly in religious freedom and not restricting religious beliefs. They believe in the sanctity of marriage between a man and a woman. They respect the roles of men and women working together to strengthen their families,” Dr. Boulos said. “This is what they believe in.”

He added, “Trump believes that the family values of the Arab and Muslim community reflect many of the same family values of the Republican Party, which is their natural home,” Boulos said.

Axios and Politico = garbage.

If they are already supporting Trump, picking Shapiro is not changing their votes.

Selecting Shapiro sends a good message that the Democratic Party won’t support those who support the annihilation of Israeli Jews.

Trump believes in the sanctity of marriage?????????????

Diplomacy in action

I don't understand the logic of the "it has to be Shapiro" argument. The fact that he and Kamala are friends and came up together gives them a history that provides him with an advantage in terms of constructing a working relationship, but he is divisive and choosing him would seem an unnecessary risk with so many other strong candidates in play. Plus, as others have pointed out, she doesn't need him in order to win PA.

[quote] he is divisive

Why.

He’s only “divisive” to a small fringe group.

Trump’s main line of attack on Harris is that she’s a radical leftist. Picking Shapiro and angering Queers for Hamas could counter that attack.

[quote] Trump’s main line of attack on Harris is that she’s a radical leftist.

They say that about every Democrat that runs for high office. Nothing new.

Women are also sounding the alarm urging the campaign not to select Shapiro due to sexual assault coverup scandal. Labor unions also aren’t fond of him and prefer Walz or Beshear. It’s more than just the anti-war activists that oppose him as VP.

[quote] I don't understand the logic of the "it has to be Shapiro" argument.

If Trump wins Georgia and North Carolina, he only needs to win Pennsylvania to win the election. Just those three states on the top of the ones already in his column. If the Democrats win Pennsylvania, it’s harder for Trump to cobble together a set of multiple states to get 270.

The “radical leftist” attack is much more effective on a Black woman from San Francisco than it is on Joe Biden.

R128 1) his involvement in he sexual harassment cover-up 2) his KKK comment 3) his very obvious Alpha ambition - he feels the embodiment of a Presidential hopeful, so how content would he remain as VP?

Don't get me wrong, he's a brilliant, energising politician and must be a key player in the campaign and the administration, but to pretend that he is the safest or even an undeniable choice is incorrect.

[quote] Women are also sounding the alarm urging the campaign not to select Shapiro due to sexual assault coverup scandal. Labor unions also aren’t fond of him and prefer Walz or Beshear. It’s more than just the anti-war activists that oppose him as VP.

Those criticisms stand or fall on their own, (and they are weak indeed), but hiding behind them isn’t fooling anyone.

[quote] The “radical leftist” attack is much more effective on a Black woman from San Francisco than it is on Joe Biden.

If those same attacks didn't work on Barack Obama and his "Chicago-style politics," they won't work on Kamala Harris.

Those attacks did work against Obama. The fact that he was able to win in spite of them doesn’t mean they didn’t hurt him.

[quote] Those attacks did work against Obama. The fact that he was able to win in spite of them doesn’t mean they didn’t hurt him.

That makes absolutely no sense what-so-ever. If they did work against him he would've never won two terms. That's the whole point of painting him as some radical, anti-American, Marxist, secret Muslim, it was to "other" him.

Republicans do that with every single Democrat, no matter how moderate they are. It's nothing new.

Who knew DL had so many political strategists?

Attacks on political opponents can be effective in reducing their support and they still end up winning. It’s really not that complex an idea.

A candidate who has over 60% favorability rating in a swing state is the opposite of divisive.

[quote] Who knew DL had so many political strategists?

Who didn’t know?

[quote]Beshear seems like the thirstiest

Not as thirsty as the Mayor.

Oh, I’ll spot them the “Shapiro is divisive” argument in that he will piss off the “Israel is illegitimate” fringe. I just think Harris will gain more votes from skeptical moderates than she will lose from pissed off Queers for Hamas who seem to equate noise with power.

R132 she’s from Berkeley! 😎

The Hill says House Dem leadership—and Nancy— pushing Walz

Since Nancy pushed for an open convention, I’m sure Kamala is very interested in her opinions.

Then it's a done deal; Nancy is the Kingmaker.

R145 If the first rule in picking a vice presidential nominee is, indeed, “do no harm,” Walz must be the prime contender. He is both the epitome of a safe pair of hands and also has the enthusiasm, energy and momentum to match Kamala's whilst drawing in undecideds and independents. I've yet to hear anyone anywhere say anything negative about him - the only candidate in such a position.

Nancy must have run the numbers and found that Harris wins PA without Shapiro. She only cares about the votes.

R146 you’re mistaken. She made a public statement about keeping the process “open”—that’s NOT what she was pressing for behind the scenes. Get real.

R141 You obviously don't recognize sarcasm.

She was pressing for it behind the scenes, too. That’s why she didn’t endorse Kamala until late. The leaders of the putsch had a plan for an open convention. Biden’s endorsement of Harris was his final “fuck you” to Obama, Schumer, Pelosi and Jeffries.

[quote] If the first rule in picking a vice presidential nominee is, indeed, “do no harm,”

It isn’t. That may be the rule when you have a comfortable lead, but sometimes being boring is a mistake. Tim Kaine?

Walz would be fine. Credit him with “weird.” But he’s not the strongest campaigner.

r153 True, but Walz is anything but boring...Beshear on the other hand....

Bert Parks will announce runners-up in reverse order.

Per the Post she six final interviews.

I wish people would stop trying to frame Tim Kaine as a mistake. He wasn't. Hillary lost that election all on her own. Tim Kaine brought Virginia and didn't overshadow Hillary (which is what Hillary wanted).

Walz, Shapiro, Breshear, Priztker, Kelly and Pete Butt—in random order

So exciting…like Vanessa all over again

R157 he didn’t hurt but he added zero, like New Coke. A total dullard.

Shapiro has a sexy as voice.

R157 She didn’t need him for Virginia. Demographics wise Virginia is now a blue state and has been one since 2008.

Nobody smart is saying it's going to be Pete Buttigieg or Andy Beshear.

The talk is that it's Shapiro or Kelly or Walz.

This—as if he carried VA across the line😵‍💫

R162 all anyone is saying is that they’ve been included in final interviews

It simply HAS to be Shapiro. He is our only hope of winning PA.

GO SHAPIRO! YAY!

NYT references same final 6 as the Post

She's going live on instagram right now...

Only white men? That’s some real DEI goin’ on!

DailyKos did a poll yesterday, "who do you think Harris will choose" and 13K+ votes were tallied:

31% Shapiro

29% Walz

24% Kelly

7% Beshear

7% Buttigieg

3% surprise / someone else

Pretty sure it is Shapiro. I was listening to the case being made this morning for the significance of the Pennsylvania EC votes. There's no good way around PA.

Harris meeting with the contenders this weekend. CNN says "Those finalists include Pennsylvania Gov. Josh Shapiro, Arizona Sen. Mark Kelly and Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz." Includes doesn't necessarily mean only, but Beshear is absent.

I think it's between Shapiro and Walz, advantage Shapiro and those 19 precious EC votes.

[quote] I wish people would stop trying to frame Tim Kaine as a mistake. He wasn't. Hillary lost that election all on her own.

He was a mistake because he didn’t add anything to mitigate Hillary’s extreme baggage or add value on his own. She needed someone like Gore was for Clinton in 1992.

And due to Shapiro's large girthy penis and HAWTNESS!!!!

Oh man!

I hope it’s not Shapiro. That sex scandal will hurt her. She doesn’t need Pennsylvania. I am confident she will win Michigan and Georgia.

[quote]Those finalists include Pennsylvania Gov. Josh Shapiro, Arizona Sen. Mark Kelly and Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz.

Why the fuck can't she have 3 VPs?

Is JD on the DL?

“She doesn’t need Pennsylvania” is just plain stupid. The “sex scandal” fear is just plain ridiculous considering who she’s running against.

R165 Harris is already leading Trump in latest polling from PA and that's before the boosts that she'll receive from the VP announcement and then the convention.

She does need PA but she doesn't need Shapiro as VP to take the state. He'll be campaigning for her in any case.

R175 Mean, unfunny and stupid is no way for JD Vance to go through life.

R176 I’m talking voter turnout of liberal women.

CNN reference above was incomplete when I looked further:

Among those expected to meet with Harris are Govs. Tim Walz of Minnesota, Josh Shapiro of Pennsylvania, Andy Beshear of Kentucky and JB Pritzker of Illinois; Arizona Sen. Mark Kelly; and Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg.

Most of the meetings are expected to be in person, but some could be conducted virtually. It is possible that additional candidates could be added to the schedule, the source said.

According to the source, Harris has not yet made her choice, and these face-to-face meetings will play a critical role in her decision-making.

Beyond whom Harris gets along with on a personal level, two sources familiar with how Harris is approaching her decision say her top consideration is electability – how and where a vice presidential candidate will help with independents and swing voters, especially in battleground states. And, the sources add, they don’t want someone who will be a distraction.

Multiple sources familiar with the campaign tell CNN Shapiro, Walz, and Kelly are considered among the top contenders for the job. Beshear is also being looked at closely, while Buttigieg and Pritzker are considered less likely to be chosen.

r179, Nebraska and Ohio have shown that ALL women are Liberal Women when it comes to women's rights.

In my heart I know she should choose Walz. My manties want her to chose Shapiro because he is my future husband and just the sight of him makes my manties slicker than a Massachusetts highway during a snow squall.

r182, and just as cold...

[quote]Why are Dataloungers so ridiculously obsessed this week with being the first to announce who the VP pick will be? We've now had three posters starting different threads stating that the VP pick will DEFINITELY be Beshear, and then Buttigieg, and now Shapiro.

Are actual DLers concerned, or all these comments concern-troll posts? I'm inclined to assume the latter, and the Andy Beshear troll is ALL OVER this thread in blind outrage! (never mind that he never had any real shot)

R182, I’m right there with you. I think once she makes the pick, we will all be saying “well DUH” because it’s so obvious that it must be Walz. Strategically, if you go down a checklist of pros and cons, Walz actually makes the most sense because of numbers, he has the most pros and the least cons, that’s how fucking simple and pure it is. He doesn’t have the pedigree of a classical VP pick, but I no longer think tradition matters. We KNOW very well that this is the method by which Queen Pelosi operates. I would imagine that if Nancy enjoys Vegas, that she is a queen at all games involving “strateger-ie”. I would love to play cards with that bitch, she’s my hero. Just pay attention to Nancy right now too, where she points us, I will follow like a good soldier, and I don’t need to question her orders because I hold that much trust in her.

All this to say? Imma pretty sure it’s Walz, AND we will soon know, and we all gotta align behind the ticket. In one way, I’m absolutely obsessed with who she picks, but on another level, I simultaneously realize that it doesn’t even really matter anymore. This isn’t about one person so much as an idea. Anyone who stands behind the true idea and ideals of America fits the bill. So to all of you worry-warts (including myself!), the pick is going to be ok regardless of who she lands on. The Rethugs are going to beat the fucking shit out of Dems as hard as they can, so in some sense, none of it matters, not even Harris herself! This is really a battle for America. Anyone can lead our cause, it’s not about WHO but WHAT they say, what they stand for, and how well they communicate it.

I think I need to start studying the French Revolution now too. I know the mere basics, I studied art history, but I think a deep dive on that might be helpful. If you had tried to tell me I would live through something this dramatic in America, I never would have believed you. I’m Gen X, and all we used to bitch about was that we never got to live through anything historic when we were in our 20’s…..be careful what you wish for! But here we are.

[quote] Beyond whom Harris gets along with on a personal level, two sources familiar with how Harris is approaching her decision say her top consideration is electability – how and where a vice presidential candidate will help with independents and swing voters, especially in battleground states. And, the sources add, they don’t want someone who will be a distraction.

There you go, to all those who say that it doesn’t matter that the VP should help win a particular state. You should tell Harris that, because she’s using that as a criteria. Bye, bye, Pete.

Maybe it won't be Shapiro.

Maybe the pick of Philadelphia is in case it's not Shapiro but the pick of somebody like Shapiro who will have appeal to PA voters. So by announcing him in Philadelphia, they saturate that media market.

I still think it's Shapiro in all likelihood but it could be Walz. Either is a great get.

R180 you are hours behind… catch up

She will be announcing the FINALISTS in Philly, and the pick will be announced at the Convention on the 19th.

Each contestant will have 16 days to canvas America for their vote.

Polls will matter.

[quote] And, the sources add, they don’t want someone who will be a distraction.

Doesn't bode well for Shapiro here.

Then it could bode well for Arizona.

R189 is too dumb for any response, but I’ll say it anyway: NO

r192, 😜

I’ll say this about JD Vance: it’s really hard being honest with the American people when you’re not being honest with yourself. He is the most inorganic candidate I think I have ever seen. He doesn’t know what he believes, and that is why it is impossible for him to articulate a coherent message to the American people—because he doesn’t believe it.”

— Gov. Josh Shapiro, at a campaign event.

R190, she doesn’t want someone who would be a distraction with undecideds and those in the middle. Appropriately, she doesn’t care if extremists and antisemites are distracted. The pick would send a clear message that those people can go fuck themselves.

[quote] In my heart I know she should choose Walz. My manties want her to chose Shapiro because he is my future husband and just the sight of him makes my manties slicker than a Massachusetts highway during a snow squall.

Young Tim Walz was pretty cute!

R187 In theory Walz could have even greater appeal than Shapiro in PA to the white/working-class voters who have drifted towards Trump, that's part of why he can and should be Kamala's secret weapon in this battle.

Bill Clinton: Yale Law

(Al Gore: Not an Attorney)

Hillary Clinton: Yale Law

Barack Hussein Obama: Harvard Law

Joe Biden: Syracuse University SoL

Kamala Harris: UC Law

=======================================

Shapiro: Georgetown Law

Tim Walz: Not an attorney.

Andy Beshear: U Virginia Law

J.B. Pritzker: Northwestern University School of Law (GO NU!)

Pete: Not an Attorney (this is his glass ceiling)

==========================================

So, it is Shapiro, Beshear or Pritzker.

Democrats have not had a double bill attorney since Al Gore in 2000 and he lost, and he had Yale Law Lieberman on the ticket.)

R198 Unless you've forgotten, Hillary also lost and these are the running mates we're looking at, not the presidential candidates.

Hillary (Yale) and Tim Kaine (Harvard) were still a double billed attorney team.

Just goes to show how fucked up the Hillary campaign was if you lost to a failed game show host and an Indiana SoL graduate.

r199, Since Obama, Democrats tend to see running mates as successors not only ticket bumpers.

That is why we have the Obama/Biden/Harris ticket in spite of the 22nd Amendment.

Everyone knows Obama would have beaten Trump for a Third Admin if it were possible.

That is why Harris' pick is also prescient for 2032. By then we may be through with all the Trump Admin lawsuits.

Hell, Biden may have started a trend for one-term presidents and President Harris may run the country while her VP runs for office.

Who knows.

^^you know, that's actually not a bad idea.

It is a chess move where you sacrifice one pawn at a time for board dominance.

"Just goes to show how fucked up the Hillary campaign was..."

And still...

[quote] Trump believes in the sanctity of marriage?????????????

Muslim men can have up to 4 wives. Trump still has one more to spare.

[quote]Maybe the pick of Philadelphia is in case it's not Shapiro but the pick of somebody like Shapiro who will have appeal to PA voters. So by announcing him in Philadelphia, they saturate that media market.

You're trying too hard, hon. I can smell the desperation from 2,000 miles away.

[quote]That is why we have the Obama/Biden/Harris ticket in spite of the 22nd Amendment.

The fuck?? This is fiction. We do not have an "Obama/Biden/Harris" ticket, and the 22nd Amendment only applies to instances where a *president* is elected (or they're a VP who assumes the presidency for more than two years, hence the reason LBJ could've run for a second one in 1968 had he not dropped out over Vietnam). Why the fuck are you pearl-clutching over such an odd point?

It's all the more impressive how comfortable he is with debating and media appearances that Tim Walz doesn't have a law degree or any law training. I don't believe that Mark Kelly does either.

OP I just want to correct you on something. Kamala is not Afro-Asian. There is a distinction. Though a very small minority there are people of African descent in Philippines, India, and Sri Lanka. She is African-American and Indian-American. Though very likely Kamala’s Indian side has some African ancestry.

I always guess the wrong person will be picked as VP, except for Kamala Harris. I said on election night 2016 after Trump was declared winner that “The next Democratic ticket has to be an older, safe white guy. That will be Joe Biden. He has to pick a woman of color to be VP. That will be Kamala Harris because she’s only half black and doesn’t look very dark or African and that will appeal more to white voters on a subconscious level. There are a lot of white voters who think they’re not racist but really are racist, but in an institutional-racist kind of way, not in a deliberate-racist way. ”

My husband said, “It will be Stacey Abrams.”

I said, “Have you ever seen Stacey Abrams? Have you ever heard of the word ‘optics’? She was out of breath after walking up 3 steps to get on a stage. There’s no way she’s going to be picked. You could literally hear her wheezing. Harris is slim, attractive, has a California accent and smiles a lot without having a huge space between her front teeth. She looks neat and organized. Stacey Abrams looks like she needs to go to the ER.”

It was the only time I was right about a VP pick. It was just logical that it would have to be Biden and Harris and I knew they were going to win.

I really didn’t know Trump was going to be such a shit show. I knew he was a horrible person, but I figured establishment republicans would force him to put neocons in his cabinet. I was very, very wrong about that. He was so much worse than I ever thought he could be …. and I knew he was a shitbag because I lived in NYC through the 1980s-2000s.

But….[italic] what a shitbag [/italic]

You type in basic stereotypes ^

Grrrr

#209, how are we all able to somehow function day to day without a law degree?

R 214, read r198. It is saying that Democrats tend to see being a practicing attorney is necessary in running the complex entity known as the American Government. It is also how Democrats in House Committees make Republicans look like idiots, No wonder they wanted Chevron reversed. It's not about the American people, it's all about American's cash.

R157 is Tim Kaine.

R214 we are the dom tops of DL—even when we are sub bottoms at home 🥸

I was outside gardening in the oppressive heat and humidity and I heard sirens, so I guess Trump is here. I stayed home to avoid traffic but also because I can barely breathe. Ain’t no way Trump is going to be outdoors at that fundraiser. He”ll go from AC plane to AC SUV to AC mansion and back again.

I wonder if the VP candidates are being grilled this weekend. If so, I wonder who is grilling them.

[quote] You type in basic stereotypes ^

This is America. There is nothing but stereotypes in mainstream politics.

[quote] I wonder who is grilling them.

With any kind of luck it will be Alex Guarnaschelli

[quote]Ain’t no way Trump is going to be outdoors at that fundraiser.

I thought it was announced that Dump isn't doing anymore outdoor events since the assassination attempt?

You thoughtless, thought wrong.

R218 the thought of someone grilling Pritzker is off-putting. Can we use vetting instead?

Is he parked at a Hyatt this weekend?

[quote] I thought it was announced that Dump isn't doing anymore outdoor events since the assassination attempt?

The USSS has reportedly strongly advised him not to. That’s all I heard.

WWiR panel seems pretty confident that it will be Shapiro.

Gee, Turd is really the frequent flyer these days. He has no new material but he loves applause.

The thing is, he could sit right down there in Mag-a-Lardo and not change a thing. Everyone who's voting for Trump is already locked-in. And he's not winning any new converts.

I'll catch smoke for this, but I want Pete to be the VP. I understand that's probably not going to happen. However, I'm perfectly fine with Shapiro. Put PA in the win column early. These posts about his so-called negatives seem "coordinated." If it can't be Pete, then Shapiro's my guy.

It can't be Pete. He offers nothing the others can't bring. He's not the only effective communicator in the bunch. But no real home state, no record of election or accomplishment. He's smart, he's just not worth much now. Ten years and some legislating, probably.

and when the props, I mean children have grown R229

What becomes of a dream deferred OP? He's more of a liability than Vance.

This thread turn to shit fast!

232 replies is not fast.

[quote] her top consideration is electability – how and where a vice presidential candidate will help with independents and swing voters, especially in battleground states

Can we stop talking about progressive hissy fits?

Mark Penn weighs in

“The best path to overcoming the hurdle that the Harris campaign faces in erasing Mr. Trump’s small lead is by picking Mr. Shapiro, the only vice-presidential contender I see who can reassure the moderates who are not sold on Ms. Harris. And he would do so not with slick or phony messaging, but with what he has always done: embracing his moderate record and his faith, not apologizing for it, and thinking about what’s in the best interest of everyone, not one faction. His pick would be a genuine gesture that Ms. Harris is willing to listen to the voters in the vital center.”

[quote] Penn was a chief strategist and pollster in the Hillary Clinton 2008 presidential campaign. Penn later became a defender of Donald Trump, opposing his impeachment, consulting on his 2020 presidential campaign, and alleging a "deep state" conspiracy against him.[4]

Yeah, let's listen to that guy 🙄

The same Mark Penn who kept repeating in the media that Obama did crack back in 2008? No one gives a shit what this asshole has to say.

Penn is an asshole, and Penn makes a good point here. Two things are possible at the same time.

Penn does not make a good point. Again, this is not the 90s anymore where alienating the youth and the left is a winning strategy. You need those votes to win elections. Without them you get Republicans in office. It’s that fucking simple.

Why saddle your campaign with this baggage when there are plenty of other candidates to choose from for VP? Harris will have the same problem as Trump with Pence if she chooses Shapiro.

Sorry, I meant Vance.

Kow-towing to idiot collegiate Hamas supporters is no way to go through life.

Yeah, let's listen to Mark Penn who ran a horrible campaign for Hillary Clinton in 2008 and then worked for Donald Trump in 2020.

Holy fuck - everyone was up in arms yesterday. Biden was here for a fundraiser last month. Trump was here for a fundraiser in 2020 when he was actually president. Neither event resulted in the absolutely fanatically stupid traffic delays as happened yesterday. Suffolk County police and state troopers went flipping INSANE blocking off traffic for miles and miles on roadways nowhere near either the airport where he arrived or on the roadways leading to the fundraising mansion. People on the Southern State Parkway saw 30 state trooper cars with sirens blasting and lights flashing at 90 mph like 35 MILES AWAY from where Trump touched down and 50 MILES AWAY from the fundraiser. People were caught in traffic all the way out in Montauk for 2 hours. Police shut down overpasses for hours. One woman was blocked by police who wouldn’t let her or her car go 1/4 mile to her home. She had to squat and pee on the side of the road and she was several towns away from any Trump activity.

This is what you have to look forward to, folks. Militarized police locking down an entire metropolitan area because an 🍊 🤡 is meeting with billionaires 50 miles away.. Fucking unreal.

These weren’t rich people being shutdown by police, btw. Rich people fly in by helicopter and private jets. It’s working class people trying to get home from work in East Moriches and middle class people waiting for 2 hours in traffic because they took their kids to Putt Putt Golf in Montauk.

I love how you people dismiss anybody who says what you don't want to hear.

A couple of weeks ago there was round rejection of that asshole Allan Lichtman, who's correctly called nine of the last ten presidential elections.

He says it will be Harris.

Restored, then?

R3, I feel your pain. Having to spend an extra 45 minutes getting to your FIP share this weekend must've sucked!

[quote]She had to squat and pee on the side of the road

Is it on tape?

[quote] Having to spend an extra 45 minutes getting to your FIP share this weekend must've sucked!

What is an FIP share? There are almost a million people living in eastern Suffolk county. They have jobs they have to go to, kids they have to pick up from school, grocery shopping to get to and from. People in Eastport, Manorville, Riverhead and Calverton don’t have “shares” they have lives in their towns. And we have water parks, miniature golf, campgrounds, outlet malls, distilleries, kayaking, canoeing, hiking, nature reserves that local people go to in summertime. No reason to capture people on roadways and hold them virtually at gunpoint 20 miles away from some weird fatass who needs to pass the collection plate among the dirtiest, greediest, most degenerate gamblers on Wall Street.

Everyone who voted GOP however, deserves to be stuck in his mess. Maybe they’ll learn their place in his world. But people who don’t want him shouldn’t be roadblocked like theyre Bonnie and Clyde.

FYI R247 and FIP is Fire Island Pines

"Fetterman has concerns about Shapiro for V.P., aides tell Harris’ team"

Harris will have to take this into consideration.

Joe Scarborough tweet thread:

Josh Shapiro is governor of the most important state in this election. He is the most experienced leader and gifted orator of the remaining (strong) candidates. He would present voters with the most dynamic ticket since Clinton/Gore in 1992, and will be ready to serve on Day 1.

The whisper campaigns against Josh Shapiro have dark undertones. Breaking News: He’s Jewish. But just as Thatcher was identified as a game-changing force in politics instead of a woman, Josh Shapiro’s strengths and talents would easily transcend bigotry and identity politics.

Don’t understand the recent attacks on the strongest VP contender? Well, it’s a toxic mix of antisemitism, extremist views on Gaza, and jealous colleagues who don’t want to be blocked out of the presidential sweepstakes for the next decade.

Like Trump's policy on Gaza, Let Netanyahu kill them all, is a better outcome for Palestinian Americans.

Palestinian Americans need to get better at this American Politics stuff.

It’s not really about what’s best for the Gazans, is it? There’s no progressive support for the Africans in Sudan who are facing genocide at the hands of the Arabs

It’s about what’s worse for Israel and the Jews.

And by that measure, a Jewish VP must be opposed.

Yes, it's all about you, isn't it, R252 and fuck everybody else?

Not sure where you get “fuck everyone else” from what I wrote. I can see which conflicts in the world get progressive attention and which are ignored. If progressives really give a shit about what’s best for the Palestinians, they’d be opposed to Hamas. But they support Hamas. Because their minds twist a genocidal death cult into heroic freedom-fighters against colonial oppression. These kinds of mind games are motivated by something other than reason.

Because it's all about you R254 and your issues. Most Americans don't have time to give a fuck about random Israel, a million miles away, pro or negative. They have real issues. HERE. They're not thinking about Israel because they have to make rent and mortgage, put food on the table and pay bills.

What does any of that have to do with a discussion that was explicitly about Gaza, r255?

[Quote] This thread turn to shit fast!

[Quote] 232 replies is not fast.

R233 but statement 'It's Shapiro' quickly became very unlikely

[quote]Harris will have to take this into consideration.

Um, no, they won't. Fetterman has, rather bizarrely, turned into a right-wing ideologue on this one subject. He & Shapiro already have a strainer relationship. Which I assume Harris's team already knows full well.

[quote]And by that measure, a Jewish VP must be opposed.

You can cloak your antisemitism in "concern" for Gaza all you want, but it won't make a blanket opposition to Jews any less odious. (Plus Shapiro is actually to the *left* of this issue versus Harris: one of the points of choosing him is – irony noted – giving Harris, or even Biden, cover to finally cut Israel's weapons supply off.)

[quote]R233 but statement 'It's Shapiro' quickly became very unlikely

Nope, he's still the favorite. The OP likely called it correctly, and you're welcome to attack all the bitches you want if Harris ends up picking Mayor Pete or Andy Beshear (but she won't).

*Strained relationship.

[quote] You can cloak your antisemitism in "concern" for Gaza all you want, but it won't make a blanket opposition to Jews any less odious

I was calling out the antisemitism, not endorsing it.

That last day or so, I've been reading more about Shapiro. I think he should be the one. His positives outweigh any negatives, plus we'd get PA, the wobbling independents, and, hell, he could put Florida in play.

Plus, we get CNN back!!!

Walz Walz Walz Walz

Do You Hear a Walz?

I'm pretty sure it's Shapiro too. They need the state. There's creeping vulnerability to the lefty label against Harris, and he's a demonstrated centrist.

The downside of Shapiro being chosen for the center is the Harris team's concern there will be a muddle (at least in media) about who is actually running the show. Walz is more progressive, but he can sell it well, so that might give him an upside.

And Kelly still retains strength about the border. It depends which state they want to be the foundation of an EC strategy.

No muddle. She’s the nominee and he’s the attack dog. That’s the at it works.

The foundation, the wall and the roof are all in one place: Pennsyltucky.

R66, the media invents narratives all the time. They bore easily.

R266, not R66.

Winning Pennsylvania doesn’t depend on having a VP from that state.

It helps.

It doesn't hurt R270.

And quite frankly, I have not heard one credible argument against Shapiro.

He's not gay, R272!!! That's credible!!!

I don’t have a problem facing a progressive hissy fit over nominating a Jew because they’re convinced that Zionism is racism, because ultimately those people are going to vote for Harris, but I do worry that the combination of a multiracial woman and a Jew may give some pause to potentially obtainable voters and might fuel the right’s Great Replacement Theory hysteria.

R272 he has a big young voter problem

He has broad support in Pennsylvania among all ages.

[quote]She’s the nominee and he’s the attack dog.

He’s definitely an attack dog. JD Vance will cry and piss his pants on stage if they debate.

I’m not sure I buy that, r275. And if they oppose him because he’s a Jew when his positions on Israel are in line with Harris’s and the other VP contenders’, shame on them. But even if you’re right, I doubt their feelings are strong enough to stop them from voting for Harris.

That's made up R275. Just say what you really mean.

[quote]I do worry that the combination of a multiracial woman and a Jew may give some pause to potentially obtainable voters and might fuel the right’s Great Replacement Theory hysteria.

He's a straight white guy. All of you political operatives say that she needs a straight, white guy to balance her. Or is Jew now like Italian on DL, not really white?

R276 Good. Then he can go and stump for Kamala and her VP choice and help them win PA that way

I have no time to coddle your persecution complex, R280.

[quote] Or is Jew now like Italian on DL, not really white?

It’s not just on DL. Most, if not all, of the opposition to Shapiro is based on his being Jewish.

[quote] And if they oppose him because he’s a Jew

They oppose him because he's an idiot who made blanket stupid statements. Apparently this isn't new for him and he has a habit of putting his foot in his mouth.

That’s not a stupid comment, except perhaps for being too candid. The Arabs have absolutely rejected a two-state solution since 1948. They want it all.

[quote]he's an idiot who made blanket stupid statements.

Somebody made a blanket statement in college?!?!!? Oh no, call the SWAT Team. Where are my pearls so that I may clutch them?

R283 Fuck the NYT for making this a headline. Everyone says stupid shit at that age. Why is this news?

It’s fair game.

The Orange Madman is saying 10 or 20 of these every week

I just spoke to my (liberal) sister in Cumberland County, PA, a county full of white collar-yearning-to-be-upper-middle-class Republicans.

She and I agreed that no one, absolutely [bold]no one[/bold] in PA, no matter who's chosen as VP to Harris, will change their vote from Trump.

And if you believe there are a lot of "undecideds" out there, I have some swampland in FL I'd like to sell you (and it's right next door to my place!).

[quote]I do worry that the combination of a multiracial woman and a Jew may give some pause to potentially obtainable voters and might fuel the right’s Great Replacement Theory hysteria.

WTF? Who other than far-right racist assholes buy *anything* relative to the Great Replacement Theory ridiculousness? Nearly all of the persuadable voters are centrists & moderates – MAGA can keep the fuckwads who still think Charlottesville was a "two sides" argument.

[quote]She and I agreed that no one, absolutely no one in PA, no matter who's chosen as VP to Harris, will change their vote from Trump.

Golly. If you and your (liberal) sister decided something, it absolutely MUST be true!!! Back in the reality-based world, no one is trying to change the minds of diehard Trumpists, and yes, there are *plenty* of undecideds – half of the electorate isn't affiliated with a specific party, a tidbit that's typically "forgotten" by the media during election season, and they're the reason why the US has gone from Clinton to Bush to Obama to Trump to Biden – but it seems clear that you don't actually pay attention to elections. Or did you also miss that Biden won by FAR the largest number of votes in any American presidential election?

[quote] Nearly all of the persuadable voters are centrists & moderates – MAGA can keep the fuckwads who still think Charlottesville was a "two sides" argument.

But the degree of MAGA motivation also matters. Why do you think spends all his time firing them up?

Regarding PA, the only things that matter are Philadelphia and Pittsburgh. Everything else is a lost cause. However, your post did remind me that the PA Yard Sign Troll is probably due back any day now.

^Trump spends

[quote] And if you believe there are a lot of "undecideds" out there, I have some swampland in FL I'd like to sell you

So why bother with campaigning at all?

There are undecideds and people who are considering voting third party who might be persuaded.

R252, Trump shitposts constantly because he is utterly desperate to be liked. You're delusional, however, if you think anyone *already* on the MAGA side (even if not explicitly for Trump just yet) will flip.

I'm talking about moderate voters, and the one thing you can say absolutely about MAGA is that it does NOT pull them in.

I think the campaign shifts once the VEEP settles to policy. There is a lot to be said about a lot of things, but especially choice and voting rights. She hasn't been (rightly in my view) hammering on the issues too much. They're keeping their powder dry. They're currently framing the Republicans (weird and we're not going back), before moving on to the substance of looking foward. The Republicans have to play defence on almost every issue the Democrats choose, because the Democrats have the center and the Republicans don't. They're cornered in their weirdness. Landslides aren't possible now (if ever again.) It's trench war for the hundreds or even tens of thousands that eke out a win. I still think they can pull more EC votes than anybody expects, without necessarily blowing the doors off the popular vote.

The election won't be decided until December. Again. But I do think it gets her the White House.

“Regarding PA, the only things that matter are Philadelphia and Pittsburgh. Everything else is a lost cause”

That’s not rue at all. Narrowing the margins in the Kentucky part of PA does much to help secure those electoral votes. —Shapiro campaign advisor

[quote] I'm talking about moderate voters, and the one thing you can say absolutely about MAGA is that it does NOT pull them in.

They may not go full MAGA, but there are plenty of non-MAGAs swing voters who vote Republican.

Look at reporting on Obama/Trump voters in 2016.

[quote]That’s not rue at all. Narrowing the margins in the Kentucky part of PA does much to help secure those electoral votes. —Shapiro campaign advisor

Increasing the black turnout in Pittsburgh and Philadelphia, and increasing the white suburban female turnout in Philadelphia is the key to PA.

Really, R287? Care to share some idiotic statements from your 20-year-old self that you’d want splashed across the front page?

There have been quite a few Repugs announcing they are voting for Harris this year. I'm sure more of them will come out of the woodwork as they see the Trump ship sinking.

Just for fun, I'm going to put this here.

It's a free link, so, enjoy!

If I were running for high office I would not object to having to defend comments that I published in a college newspaper, r301. Both publishing my opinions and running for office make would make me a hypocrite for saying I’m not responsible for my own words.

R304 By that rationale they should also dig up the number of times you skipped class, got wasted at parties, ran stop signs and started food fights. If you’re responsible for your words you’re responsible for your judgment, no?

Private information is different from published opinions. However, if I ran for office I would not expect past arrests, school discipline or anti-social behavior to be somehow “off limits.” Particularly for President or VP.

[quote] I ran for office I would not expect past arrests, school discipline or anti-social behavior to be somehow “off limits.”

These are all reasons why I could never run for office.

Very few voters would care, r307.

George W Bush had a history of being a drunk and a DUI arrest, and it didn’t hurt him.

But it was a kinder, stupider time.

[quote] George W Bush had a history of being a drunk and a DUI arrest, and it didn’t hurt him.

He never had a thousand sex partners like some of us, people who come forward and tarnish our good name.

Final 2 are Shapiro an Walz. Please stand by.

Before anyone jumps on me re this post about the Fail, I watch them during tense political times like these to see how they report on things. They have a lengthy update on their main page today regarding the Ellen Greenberg murder (suicide?) - the Philly woman found dead of 20+ stab wounds, some to the back of her head, and ruled a suicide. Her parents have been on a crusade since then to have the police and coroner re-open and re-examine the case.

One of the reasons the case was kept shut was the alleged perpetrator - the woman's fiancée, who initially found her - is from a wealthy local family who were major donors to Josh Shapiro's previous campaigns. He had recused himself from the case in 2022, but many think he helped interfere in it b/c of the connections.

The Mail and other right-leaning papers aren't going to let this go. I just can't help that between this and his pro-Israel stance, he just has too much baggage. Despite PA still being in play.

Give it up R313

Many smart people check the dregs of Fox & MaGa sites (Free Republic, etc) “to keep their finger on the pulse” so to speak. Random carom shots from the shithole that is the DM aren’t part of that nonsense…even their most devoted readers don’t actually buy into that shit. It’s the equivalent of reading the Enquirer while someone bags your groceries.

Shapiro became attorney General 6 yrs after this girl’s tragic death

That case is still ongoing, and the PA Supreme Court has agreed to hear challenges to the suicide ruling.

Shapiro’s involvement in it was minimal.

Whatever r314, I still don't think he should be the 1st choice. Between his Israel stance, his school choice views, the sexual harassment case and this case, he has too much baggage. There are better choices.

That’s your “baggage,” not his.

Just out of curiosity, what SHOULD Shapiro have done differently during the sexual harassment thing? He forced the aide in question to resign and paid a large settlement to the victim for her suffering. Sexual harassment happens at workplaces all around the world on a daily basis. How is this at all a reflection on Shapiro's character?

Becaussee!

I think it should be Shapiro, as the AI MAGA Trolls have not been able to dig up shit on him besides a few miserable bits of crap.

Like the Klobuchar haters who went to hell in a cereal cowl and a hair comb. Pure bullshit.

If he can tone it down for 8 years, he should get the job.

It's Walz R319 Shapiro doesn't matter anymore

BREAKING! Harris decides on Tim Walz as running mate

The pro Shapiro has been so obnoxious and patronizing that this is quite delicious!

It is amazing that The Obama/Biden template is going v.2 with Harris/WalzSolid progressive who will get us to majority/Minority America, paired with a trustworthy white dude who knows how to move legislation.

If the template runs true, Walz will pick Secretary Pete for his VP whenever he has the chance.

By that time, Trump will either be out of jail or received the hot needle.

Shapiro is a brilliant orator and smart politician, he has great things ahead of him but he wasn't the best choice for VP - he would have been good, but Walz was the best.

R325 how long have you known about Shapiro as most people have never heard of him until last week. And it was just a few weeks ago that people were still saying Biden was sharp as a tack.

I've heard of Shapiro since I live in the Northeast, I know he ran a great campaign for governor and I'd heard him speak before, albeit online in sound clips. He is a great speaker, very reminiscent of Obama (who he emulates, vocally).

(^.^) Sure, Jan