The First Lady

The First Spouse works just fine and is more in line with current social mores anyway.

I too find it dated. They're not elected, so why this special appellation? They're no different than any other civil servant's spouse.

So the Fat OP (her official title) presumes to eliminate historic American conventions.

Check your pronouns. These people are dangerous.

First Lady and First Gentleman are fine. It gives them an identity other than spouse. Which is fair for all they do. Why should it change? Do you hate everything about the United States?

Shouldn't you be out there on the ledge somewhere, R3, screaming into the void?

Or, maybe, bump an old Froy/Zane thread? You know you want to.

i side with R4, considering we address them as "Mister/Madame president" gendering and formalizing the role is fine. Also, maybe let's not worry about it much

In Australia and New Zealand we say "the First Bloke". It works for us.

On the other hand, we don't tend to say First Lady. It's just the PM's wife (or currently, his fiancee. Yes, we can elect people who live together unmarried!!!).

America did that once and he was a ponce and was by the way, the worst president ever

What’s wrong with you, OP?

IMO, it's silly. The spouse of the POTUS shouldn't even have an official role. Let him or her go about their lives. Yes, live in the White House, but forget trying to have a pet project (Just Say No to Drugs, Be Best). So stupid.

I like First Mate. It's got a manly ring to it. Naval, even. But not really.

What is so hard about "adapting" to First Gentleman?

If we can have a whore as first lady, we can surely cope with a first gentleman

To those who believe we shouldn't honor the President's spouse because they do anything or "have an official role", please return to remedial US history for a primer on First Ladies and all they have accomplished. Some have done a great deal; others not so much.

First Doug

First Gentleman sounds ridiculous. We don’t refer to people as “gentleman” anymore.

Perhaps it’s not really any more ridiculous than First Lady, but we’re used to that.

Yes, we CAN try to get used to First Gentleman. Or, we can take the opportunity to drop the whole misbegotten mess.

You know my vote.

YOU CAN ALL GO FUCK YOURSELVES, EVERY LAST ONE OF YOU.

PhDs who insist on be called “Doctor” socially are pathetic.

[quote]PhDs who insist on be called “Doctor” socially are pathetic.

LoL, still working on yours, OP?

A Lucille Bluth eyeroll. How cunning.

To the gays

I veel always bee your Vairst Letty. Love from your Melania.

Be Best

OP, yeah, we do. You just hang out in the gutter or something like that.

I like the sound of Lady Chasten.

Doug Emhoff likes "First Dude."

Boy, I can see why "Mr. President" was such a huge flop. That's just awful.

r25 - You're gonna love...

r17 she's an EdD. (education doctorate) not even a PhD.

[quote]We don’t refer to people as “gentleman” anymore.

Ladies and gentlemen, we have an answer.

yeah, gentleman is a VERY common term

It’s more of an idiom in today’s usage in certain limited situations—meetings, car races. You would not describe someone as a gentleman.

Let me suggest some gender-neutral terms:

President Fucker

Official Orgasm Inducer

Legal Bedmate

I think when Kamala is president, her husband should be referred to as Mr Harris.

I hope Mr Harris has the nads to stick it out with her when she becomes the most famous woman in the world.

He’s running her social media profile, I think he’s up to it

[quote] think when Kamala is president, her husband should be referred to as Mr Harris.

Even though that’s not his name?

Keep the title as is. And First Gentleman is great.

"First Spouse?' No thank you. Enough of the gender neutral!

spouse is a really old word, and has been in use for centuries, seems normal to me