Revised Democratic VP poll

Original poll

Pete is a no. He doesn’t have the level of experience the ticket needs.

Love him but no.

Mayor of South Bend is not enough experience for you?

Who checks more boxes than Mark Kelly? Who brings more to the ticket? Who matches Trumps and Vance’s story? Who is popular in a needed to win swing state?

Pete from South Bend or an American hero combat vet who has gone into space for extra points?

Vance sure could not say “I was a Marine what did you do?” to someone that has done so much more. And has a wife that took a bullet to the head for democracy.

This seems like an absolute no brainer.

Kelly had no political experience before being elected to the Senate in 2020. Being a combat pilot and astronaut may be sexy for campaigning, but they are not that relevant to governing.

I voted Roy Cooper, reluctantly. He can presumably deliver North Carolina and possibly parts of the south. I hate to lose Josh Shapiro at the governor level, the same with Beshear. I agree Kelly is a bit under-experienced but Kelly, Shapiro, Beshear are all great choices. Cooper, I feel with little enthusiasm, ticks some good boxes, so it's smart choice if not an exciting choice and that's OK, so long as it gets the job done.

We are talking about winning not governing I thought? How much Sen time does Vance have? How much actual political office time has Trump had?

Winning is the only issue to be concerned about.

[quote]Mayor of South Bend is not enough experience for you?

South Bend! It sounds like dancing, doesn't it?

[quote]How much Sen time does Vance have? How much actual political office time has Trump had?

And who's arguing either of them are serious candidates? This isn't a talent show. Harris is starting strong but she's not a perfect candidate. There are some gaps to fill that require a careful, strategic choice.

gretchen has pulled out and is working with Harris on her election campaign

It’ll be Shapiro or Kelly. Mark my words.

These are currently being vetted, per MSNBC (and, by extension, VOTN in another thread):

Roy Cooper

Tim Walz

Josh Shapiro

Gretchen Whitmer

Mark Kelly

[quote] We are talking about winning not governing I thought?

We’re Democrats. We care about both.

Tim Walz? Who is Tim Walz? How dare he ruin my poll!

It's between Shapiro and Kelly, apparently.

I find Kelly physically hard to look at, but Shapiro's Israel stance triggered the progressives. So I don't fucking now.

*know

No way they’re picking a Jew now.

No to Beto. And Texas ain't going blue, that's a pipe dream.

R13

nonsense. Winning is the most important because you can’t do governing after if you lose.

You must like saying “nonsense.” I said we care about both. I didn’t say one was more important.

Republicans can afford not to think about governing when choosing candidates, because they don’t have any interest in governing.

Is Kelly a good speaker?

Because the dems desperately need someone on the ticket who can connect with voters to make the case.

Joe, alas, has been a terrible communicator.

Picking Shapiro would just be inviting so much blowback from young voters exercised about Gaza.

Sadly yes r22. But his time will come.

Who replaces Kelly as senator?

r24 - Yeah, that's an issue. Picking Kelly means removing a Democrat from the Senate. AZ has a Democratic governor, but it appears to me that in the given circumstances she won't be able to appoint a replacement for the balance of his term -- she'll have to call a special election to fill Kelly's seat if he becomes VP. Does anyone know more about this?

Seriously, WHY do people keep saying Kelly? The senate is already 50/50. It's bad enough we don't have majority. Why would she want to poach a democratic seat? That would be suicide.

Why not pick Kari Lake as VP on a unity ticket?

I thought she was going to wait until shortly before the convention to make her pick, but she seems to be galloping towards that decision, seeing how it's down to Kelly and Shapiro already. Might as well.

“ it appears to me”

An Ariz paper is saying that a replacement would be made by the Gov. A number of names mentioned who I don’t know but the paper claims they were good ones.

Do a google folks if interested

Newsom shouldn't even be included in the poll. The 12 Amendment states that "The Electors shall meet in their respective states and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President, one of whom, at least, shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves." Newsom and Harris are both residents of California and there is no way in Hell that they're throwing away California's electoral votes.

[quote] Kelly had no political experience before being elected to the Senate in 2020. Being a combat pilot and astronaut may be sexy for campaigning, but they are not that relevant to governing.

Kelly has significantly more experience than Vance. His only demerit is he is the same age as Harris and I think she needs to go younger.

60 is the new 45.

81 is the new 80

60 is prime. Not a kid like Vance with little experience not old like Trump. Just right.

This is one of those times where winning is the only option. While I personally love Newsom and Buttigieg, I don't think either brings enough to the ticket. They'd be great and running the country, and they are strong campaigners, but neither brings a swing state to the table. Those who decry Buttigieg's supposed lack of experience forget just how well he did in his initial run for President. Had Biden faltered in Carolina, "Mayor Pete" might have gone through to the very end. His weakness was with black voters, and that would have been deadly in November. Kamala needs Pennsylvania more than any other swing state. There is almost no path to 270 without it. Her VP choice has to be someone that can deliver PA, or at least help her secure it.

Arguably, Harris is a resident of DC, r 30.

r30 Didn't Rumsfeld get around that by just getting a drivers license in another state?

Cheney claimed to live in Wyoming when he lived in Texas where W lived.

Yeah, sorry, I was thinking of Cheney. D'oh.

[quote]Let’s see where we stand now

You mean in terms of an ignorant, unqualified DL "pollster"?

Good luck.