According to leaks, the Congressional Black Caucus is going to bat for Biden to remain

Leaks? They are already doing it publicly .

I will add, this will not work if Biden is forced out via the 25th Amendment. Then another nominee will have to be found because Kamala will be the one who will have to initiate if it is not done voluntarily by the President.

It’s not odd OP. Black voters continue to be the most practical voters in America because we get the shit end of the stick when things go south.

The Black caucus, and Harris, understand that winning is more important than optics. Harris is young enough to run in 2028 if she wants the big chair. Seeing how Biden’s been acting, he may croak before his second term ends. The odds on in Harris’ favor for a promotion.

But, this election is about winning with a relatively bad hand. It’s not about getting the first black/Asian woman into the Oval Office.

"The Black caucus, and Harris, understand that winning is more important than optics."

Too bad the rest of the jackasses that make up the Democratic Party don't understand that.

The CBC members are in safe districts, so won’t be personally affected. They may be more resigned to the likelihood of Democrats losing the White House than their white peers, and so see no reason to make a drastic and ultimately ineffective change.

Biden is not going to be “forced out” by the 25th Amendment. Where do they find you people?

The addition of Kamala Harris to the ticket in 2020 was the CBC flexing its muscle by getting South Carolina for Biden. There's no reason to see why they would stop flexing that muscle.

The CBC only has power if they threaten to use it. They must use it in this instance because they win even if Harris loses (still likely) because if they DON'T use it, then people won't take them seriously in the future when they threaten something.

If they flex it over Biden and he loses, I would think their power is diminished. Basically, whoever stuck their neck out for Biden - if Trump is elected, they are going to get the blame.

Biden will be forced out by the 25th amendment if he does not take the Best and Final Offer which is probably being drafted and presented now.

Plenty of unhappy people in the White House right now, a smoking gun could come from anywhere.

Biden is not leaving. And there are no fantabulous Democrats waiting in the wings to jump into the race in the next 15 weeks. The more you badmouth Biden the more you scare voters. He's all that stands between us and a Trump nightmare and Project 2025. Support him.

[quote] They may be more resigned to the likelihood of Democrats losing the White House than their white peers,

They can afford to be calm. Their racially gerrymandered districts make it almost impossible for them to lose no matter what happens to the white dems.

The more Biden opens his mouth the more it scares voters.

Biden has already ensured a Trump reelection, stop trying to scare us with "he's all the stands between". No he is not. He is the cause.

What racially gerrymandered districts?

It’s only logical. If Biden wins Harris will take over within a year.

Biden not popular with blacks??? Go tuck yourself, you lying ass.

Every post in this thread is by lying fuck OP. Ban the fucker.

R16 “Tell Joe it was me. I want him to know.”

Indeed, R14. The usual suspects (who will assert his capability during 2024) will DEMAND he step down the day after inauguration for a female non-white President.

The NATO Summit is going on now until Thursday. If Biden agrees to go, then he will resign - not just drop out, but resign - on Friday July 12. Mrs. Harris will need to Presidency in order for her to make a case that she is an acceptable commander and chief.

If Biden refuses - and there is a very good chance he will refuse - they will begin the process of the 25th Amendment.

Summary of Section 4 Process:

1. Initiation of Declaration: • The Vice President and a majority of the principal officers of the executive departments (or another body designated by Congress) must agree that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of the office. • They provide a written declaration to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives.

2. Vice President Assumes Duties: • Upon transmission of the written declaration, the Vice President immediately assumes the powers and duties of the office as Acting President.

3. President’s Response: • The President can resume the powers and duties of the office by sending a written declaration to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House stating that no inability exists.

4. Challenge by Vice President and Officers: • If the Vice President and a majority of the principal officers of the executive departments (or another body designated by Congress) still believe the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of the office, they have four days to submit a written declaration to the contrary.

5. Congressional Decision: • Congress must convene within 48 hours if not in session. • Congress has 21 days to decide the issue. • If two-thirds of both Houses of Congress vote that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of the office, the Vice President continues as Acting President. • If Congress does not reach a two-thirds majority, the President resumes the powers and duties of the office.

Section 4 is designed to address situations where the President cannot or will not declare their own incapacity, providing a method to ensure the executive branch remains functional and effective.

[quote]The more Biden opens his mouth the more it scares voters.

Odd, I'm a voter that hasn't been scared by anything he's said since the debate.

[quote]If Biden refuses - and there is a very good chance he will refuse - they will begin the process of the 25th Amendment.

"they"

"The more Biden opens his mouth the more it scares voters."

And yet an egotistical maniac/pathological liar, hell bent on exacting revenge on anybody and everybody who has allegedly done him wrong, gives everybody the warm and fuzzies.

Good God, we are fucked as a nation.

[quote] The CBC members are in safe districts, so won’t be personally affected. They may be more resigned to the likelihood of Democrats losing the White House than their white peers, and so see no reason to make a drastic and ultimately ineffective change.

The CBC is NOT resigned to losing the White House and that's why they want Biden in the race. Harris is the female Obama, Dump's team of retards is salivating over the dog-whistles they could blow to rally their base if Harris is top of the ticket. Old white men are unassailable, women and Black people will be picked apart. Also, Biden helps downticket races more than Harris. If Dump can beat HRC he can beat Harris.

Even now, they want to signal that Biden cannot last a whole term so a vote for him is a vote for Harris to succeed him in a year.

Why would Biden’s own people invoke the 25th Amendment? That mess would only help Trump and no Democrat wants that.

You nuts.

No, the CBC does not want Biden in the race. They have no use for him. He was a "useful idiot". They will get their nominee, a black woman. It may be the only chance to get a black woman as a party nominee given Michelle Obama declining to run.

[quote] Why would Biden’s own people invoke the 25th Amendment?

To remove him from office to avoid dragging down down ballot races.

[quote]That mess would only help Trump and no Democrat wants that.

Trump will already win the election because of Biden. This is now about down ballot races.

CBC are traditionally very loyal. Many held off supporting Obama over Hillary until their constituents started threatening to vote them out of office. They will be the last group to abandon Biden unless again their constituents put pressure on them.

They were loyal to the CLINTONS. They loved the Clintons and the Clintons loved them. They have no love for Biden other than what he can do for them. Now what he can do is exit the race quietly and have Kamala run on his first term accomplishments while disavowing anything he did that's unpopular, like Bidenomics or Gaza.

We could only wish Harris was a female Obama since Obama won...twice.

If Kamala is given the nomination without a fight

It will only be because she promises to serve one term.

[quote] Harris is the female Obama

Get real. Nobody has ever confused Harris with the Messiah

During the Soul Train Awards in 2012, comedian and actor Jamie Foxx exhorted a wildly cheering crowd to "first of all (give) honor to god, and our lord and savior Barack Obama,"

Florida A&M professor Barbara A. Thompson, who wrote "The Gospel According to Apostle Barack: In Search of a More Perfect Political Union as 'Heaven Here on Earth,'" have no excuse

Neither does Newsweek, which in November 2010 declared in its cover headline that Obama was the "God of All Things." Behind the headline was an image of the president with six arms balancing on one leg. In each hand, he carries a different policy issue. The image is reminiscent of depictions of the Hindu deity, Shiva.

Chris Matthews, famously proclaimed: "This is bigger than Kennedy. ... This is the New Testament," shortly before he told us about the thrill going up his leg.

The only female Obama is Michelle.

She doesn’t want to be President.

R32, I’m available.

R5 they don’t want the Voting Rights Act or the Civil Rights acts to experience even more roll backs. Actually, the SC is a direct threat to their “safe” districts. So, to pretend they wouldn’t care if Biden wins or loses is asinine.

[quote] Actually, the SC is a direct threat to their “safe” districts.

I agree that someday the specially carved out districts for black Americans will be a thing of the past. At some point, black Americans need to focus on winning in white majority Congressional districts. Black governors, senators, and Obama have proven that black Americans can win when the majority of the electorate is white (or at least not black).

This is the part to be concerned about - the downballot races.

Biden cannot stay on the ballot because of the downballot races. Reps cannot say "We support our looney tunes President" whose approval will probably go down into the 20s if he stays on the ballot and his condition progresses - which it can, very fast. So fast he may not be able to campaign the last stretch.

Furthermore, the discrediting of Biden - who could be completely senile by November - would engender the Republicans to point out to moderates how inept the Democrats are that they are forced to defend an indefensible old man, and naturally they would moderate their positions at the Senate and House level to draw in moderates. It could potentially create a landslide House with many swing district Democrats eliminated.

There is really very little that can be done at this point. Either Harris replaces Biden soon or the convention goes on with an ailing Biden and a landslide loss gives Trump the Presidency. The situation is so bad that it would have been better if we had lost in 2020.

Local Black Leaders in Atlanta has come out in support of Biden.