Is It Pat? SNL's Julia Sweeney Reflects on Androgynous Character, Says Whiners Are Missing the Point

Such an inflammatory way to serve that up, OP. Wonder what's behind that?

R1 It's Julia Sweeney who's inflamed. She knows the young ones are gearing up to cancel her over this, and she's pushing back on their bullshit.

I have zero problem with Pat. That said, of course we were meant to laugh at her, not just with her. Also, Pat was, at least according to he/she, NOT nonbinary since there are several sketches where she finds it puzzling how no one seems to know her genders and thinks it obvioys. So why are NBs taking issue with that?

I honestly haven't seen anyone talk about it, and I watch a decent amount of SJW TikTok.

Yeah she’s bullshitting quite a lot. A big part of the character was how repulsive Pat was.

There was no such thing as non-binary then.

How can you attack someone for something that didn’t exist back then?

It’s like today, fatphobia is a contemporary term people use but anti-fatness, fat discrimination, etc has always been around, it just never had a name.

The idea of not being a gender or gender swapping is a NEW thing.

I worked with a woman who looked exactly like Pat --but she identified as female and was a lesbian. But same glasses, bad haircut, and bad clothes. And her body was egg shaped-she would've had curves though if she'd lost 30-40 lbs.

I'm not sure it's as much of a new thing as it's a new distinction.

Leftists are destroying comedy. Everything has to have an agenda to promote something. This is Marxism 101.

And to continue with my R6, I’m not saying androgyny didn’t exist.

But a guy who wore a dress was a guy who wore a dress. Unless you were a full on tranvestite which was a drag queen or crossdresser.

But those were clothes! They weren’t gender or orientations or whatever box tumblr and Reddit users invented.

R9 is either over their head or not a serious person.

I'm sure Julia does not want to come across as a bad person in the eyes of younger and trans/non-binary people and their allies, etc.

But come on. The sketches invited us to laugh at Pat. Yes, also to laugh at the nosy, pushy, gender-insistent normies who surrounded Pat. But definitely to laugh at Pat.

Would SNL put that sketch on today? Probably not. Times change, that was 30-plus years ago, and what's Ok and Not ok in comedy changes with the times. Who knows what we are laughing at today and feeling it's ok to laugh at it, but it will be "not ok" decades from now.

Comedy is dead.

I love Julia but am disappointed she's being disingenuous here. She knows Pat was supposed to be ridiculous. The audience wasn't laughing at the people trying to figure it out, they were identifying with them. Sometimes their frustration and thwarted detective work was funny but Pat was still the freak.

Comedy is not dead. You just let yourself get old and frozen. You didn't have to, but you did. That's really all there is to it.

Those polling numbers?

*cue the Joan Allen as Pat Nixon SILENT SHOCK face*

FUCK - Wrong thread

[quote] Pat was never meant to make fun of nonbinary people. Pat was meant to make fun of the weirdos who obsessed over Pat's possible gender.

Nah.

Sweeney has been getting shit for a long time regarding Pat. Jill Solloway bitched in 2017.

Lol no watching it back then was looking to Pat as some kind of hero let alone these so called trans and envy children. I love Julia Sweeney but this is just panderous nonsense.

They should do a skit where Pat drives Marsha P Johnson to throw the first brick at stonewall.

If anything the others in the sketch were trying to NOT misgender Pat. Take that, kneejerkers.

[quote]Last month, Sweeney met with a team of trans comedy writers to see how she could “reinvent” Pat.

Sounds like it will be a laugh riot.

There were two episodes of Showtime's "Work in Progress" with Sweeney as they tacked the "problematic" nature of Pat. I can't believe there were people holding on to hurt over a SNL skit from an eternity ago.

Especially as someone mentioned above, these “queer” identities didn’t even exist back then.

[quote] I can't believe there were people holding on to hurt over a SNL skit from an eternity ago.

I didn't either until Mayim Bialik bitched about the SNL sketch in which I played her in a Blossom parody.

R25 Nowadays, her enormous honker is like the tenth worst thing about this bitch.

She breastfeeds her teenagers!