BREAKING: Supreme Court Rules Trump Has Some Immunity As President

Live updates: Supreme Court rules Trump has some immunity in his federal election interference case, further delaying trial

Chief Justice John Roberts, writing for the majority, rejected Trump’s broad immunity claims and said that Trump only has immunity for his “official” acts as president.

What does it all mean?

Immunity from official acts grants to power of a king, doesn’t it?

[quote] What does it all mean?

Read the threads that already existed before this one to find out.

It means he can do whatever the hell he wants.

Ok, Joe, "officially" deport Trump for life to save our country

"Chief Justice John Roberts, writing for the majority, rejected Trump's broad immunity claims and said that Trump only has immunity for his "official" acts as president. The high court did not determine what constitutes an official act in this case, leaving that to the lower court."

What kind of bullshit is this?

Every battleground state liberal-minded person who couldn't see fit to vote for Hillary, either sitting the election out or casting a ballot for Jill Stein, should be hanging their head in shame. This is what you fuckin' did to this country. Shame should rain on your collective heads.

FUCK!!!!

This means he's gonna do more shit if he gets elected!!!!! we are doomed!

Now they'd better decide what acts are official and what acts are unofficial, because Trump nor his loony followers have the intelligence to decide either. In Trump's deranged mind he now has immunity from having some fellow politician murdered.

[quote] This means he's gonna do more shit if he gets elected!!!!! we are doomed!

I hope Biden has the Supremes arrested for gross negligence, abuse of power and treason, but he won't ☹️

This is the Enabling Act. If Dump is elected he can do all kinds of illegal shit because we don't know what Presidential duties are. Like mass deportataions and concentration camps.

If he's as senile as MAGAts believe, R13, he might just.

Very, very bad.

Just about as bad as it conceivably could be without the Court going completely off the deep end.

As long as a President can assert that something he does is an official act, it will be practically impossible to prosecute him.

Is it possible to hate that fat fuck Clarence Thomas any more?

I'm surprised that SCOTUS didn't indicated that this only applied to Republican presidents only, because we can't have a Dem doing this shit

Trump's claim that something is an official act would have to be adjudicated in court and would eventually end up in front of his hand-picked Supremes. Guess how they'll rule.

Elie Honig suggests this could impact all the legal actions against Trump, even the already-decided hush money case.

That can be handled on a case by case basis, r18, since ultimately they get to decide which acts are official.

I really think this court's moves on abortion, regulatory matters, presidential immunity, etc. are going to be the biggest motivating factor to vote this year. And when the American electorate gives the Democrats the House, the Senate and the WH again, there had better be ZERO excuses about codifying abortion into federal law, impeaching these justices who have lied to Congress (Alito first) and expanding the court immediately to dilute this unethical power grab.

We cannot just stand by and let an American oligarchy grab power to enslave all of us to their capitalist, nihilist whims. Drastic action needs to be taken.

Hard to see how anything in the hush money case could be deemed “official.”

What about the Vice President?

We’d need 2/3 of the Senate to impeach the Justices. Never going to happen.

What they're betting on is referring to "official" acts as extremely relative, in such a way that any cases will bounce up and down the judicial system for ages until the actual charges are completely moot.

How old are they? Hope they die soon, mother nature, help!

"As long as a President can assert that something he does is an official act, it will be practically impossible to prosecute him"

There goes my career...

[quote]Hard to see how anything in the hush money case could be deemed “official.”

I wasn't playing close attention, but Honig referred to Hope Hicks' involvement. Honig said Trump's lawyers will absolutely appeal based on this new ruling and though Judge Merchan is unlikely to reverse his ruling, another court might.

So who gets to decide the line between "official" and "non-official" Presidential acts? POTUS him/herself? SCOTUS? Is this noted in Roberts' opinion?

R24, a Democratic Senate is going to vote to remove the filibuster.

What can't be impeached can be diluted by numbers - the court should have 13 justices, at least.

Of course, R24. The Senate Super Majority troll has spoken.

Yep R24, easier to just expand the court. Alito and Thomas would resign the next day, they wouldn't want to be in the minority.

Biden should disband the Supreme Court pending an investigation into a whole bunch of shit. Stop letting incompetent politicians and judges ruin this country

[quote]What can't be impeached can be diluted by numbers - the court should have 13 justices, at least.

Which would be expanded to 17 justices whenever Republicans take power again. And so on and so on and so on. Eventually, we'll have more SC justices than House members.

I wonder what Merrick Garland has to say about all this.

Well he got the mrna jab so I think it's justified.

But those damn emails!

That's the end of American democracy as we know it.

We are now a banana republic.

[quote] Yep [R24], easier to just expand the court.

Not gonna happen unless the filibuster is repealed. Even if the Ds retain the Senate, it's unlikely there'll be the votes for that.

R28, "presidential immunity" can't extend to a state court nor to acts committed before the defendant was actually President. Trump may have signed checks in the WH to pay back Michael Cohen but the deal was made prior to the 2016 election, prior to the result and prior to him being sworn in.

There's not going to be any grounds for appeal in the NY election interference case.

So that means all presidents have some immunity? There's an old saying the deplorables need to remember. Be careful what you wish for.

R39, Dems have already stated they would repeal the filibuster. With Manchin and Sinema gone, it won't be a problem. That's the whole point.

R34, you speak as if the institution hasn't already been completely tarnished. The power of the Supreme Court has been concentrated and corrupted. That needs to be diluted.

Trump is teflon

Thanks to the Rethug Supreme 6 ruling.....AMERICAN DEMOCRACY& The American People are FUCKED!!!

This is the worst possible outcome:

1. Delays January 6 case indefinitely

2. Took out some of the allegations before a hearing

3. Puts them continuing in the driver’s seat since any Chutkahn decision on whether something is not an official act be appealed

4. Allows Trump to do literally anything criminal as along as it’s labeled an official act

Worse decision in US history

[quote] There's an old saying the deplorables need to remember. Be careful what you wish for.

How adorable of you to think there'll be another democratic president.

The cult of Trump reaches all the way to the Supreme Court.

Time for Dems to start busting heads

[quote] Dems have already stated they would repeal the filibuster. With Manchin and Sinema gone, it won't be a problem. That's the whole point.

From your thumbs to God's ears. But I wouldn't be so sure. While Manchin & Sinema were the public face of opposition, there was reporting that they had some silent partners.

What does that mean, R49?

[quote]I hope Biden has the Supremes arrested for gross negligence, abuse of power and treason, but he won't

Please go back and slap your history teacher for me. There are three branches of government for a specific reason.

It's just a goddamn job. You get paid, you retire. Like any CEO. Stop treating them like they're holy.

Weren't the hush money illegalities performed before he was POTUS?

I'm looking at you, Eddie Glaude, Jr. (who's now on MSNBC).

Tell that to the utterly partisan Supreme Court, R52. The intentions of the writers of the Constitution have been shredded and launched into space. The 'three branches of government' are basically now a fiction.

[quote] I hope Biden has the Supremes arrested for gross negligence, abuse of power and treason, but he won't ☹️

Trump would do it to the liberal justices if he ever became President again.

[quote]I hope Biden has the Supremes arrested for gross negligence, abuse of power and treason, but he won't

They've already broken up R13! Isn't that enough?

[quote] As long as a President can assert that something he does is an official act, it will be practically impossible to prosecute him.

Dump would certainly test the limits of this proposition. He'd have nothing to lose, he'll be dead in 10 years so life in prison is no deterrent for him.

While America was once a shining light, now because of Trump and MAGAts, we're a flaming dumpster fire.

Fuck you, Republicans. Fuck every one of you straight to hell for destroying America for super rich people who care nothing for you. Nothing.

Can’t Biden just assassinate Trump for being a clear and present danger to the country, and then claim immunity?

Before he became President, Dump said he could shoot someone on 5th Ave and get away with it. Now it seems as President, he will be able to do it.

[quote] I'm surprised that SCOTUS didn't indicated that this only applied to Republican presidents only, because we can't have a Dem doing this shit

They have effective done that because they can rule on any case of a Republican President it was an official act, but when a Democratic President does something they can rule it isn't an official act, they are truly evil.

Is this some cosmic joke or are we experiencing a collective long COVID fever dream?

[quote]There's not going to be any grounds for appeal in the NY election interference case.

The Court has ruled that "official acts" cannot be considered as evidence in case against the president. Hope Hicks' conversations with Trump were introduced as evidence in that case. Trump's lawyers will certainly try to argue that is a basis for appeal.

@r63, As of today, yes he can, but unfortunately he probably thinks murder is wrong or some stupid shit like that ☹️

In terms of criminal prosecutions, the courts.

R69 meant for r29

My browser can’t keep up

Barrett’s’ concurrence is far more moderate which means Thomas’s and Alito’s decisions not to recuse from this case are DECISIVE.

Good to know Joe has the same immunity.

Joe wouldn’t do anything criminal. And in most cases, it’s ultimately the Supreme Court that is going to have the final say on the official act/private act dividing line. No assurance they don’t make a different decision for a Democrat than they would for a Republican.

^ Fuck that, SCOTUS can't decide that they now hold all the power. Biden should suspend the court from making any further decisions while it's being investigated

I'm glad to see that the judicial system has retained it's legitimacy.

Peggy Gravel was right

So, Will any countries grant us asylum when the Evil Six and their orange master decide that we gays have no rights?

Now let’s see if the Democratic hand-wringing pussies have the balls to fight back.

I just read the entire opinion. This decision is not a "win" for Trump. Think long term:

SCOTUS ruled that certain acts were official, such as talking to the Vice President and Attorney General. However, they remanded to the District Court for the finders of fact to determine whether the tweets and January 6 comments were an official act or not.

The District Court judge is the tough as nails Tanya Chutkan (an Obama appointee). DC is a very educated city, so the jury pool will most likely be intelligent moderates who will determine he was not acting in his official capacity.

This has been a slow motion coup. McConnell stole two seats. The Court should be 5-4 Democratic appointees.

The GOP has given Leonard Leo, a radically conservative Catholic, absolute control over who gets on the Court.

5 of the 6 GOP justices (excluding Barrett, who has shown some independence) began their careers as political operatives. None of the Democrats had a political background. Not a coincidence.

[quote] However, they remanded to the District Court for the finders of fact to determine whether the tweets and January 6 comments were an official act or not.

You are leaving out the PRESUMPTION that the acts are official. Completely unnecessary.

That means a prosecutor is going to have a long, uphill battle to even be able to gather evidence.

Lisa Rubin elaborates on my point at r81:

You might be hearing that a president still could be prosecuted even for official acts if the presumption of immunity is rebutted. But that ignores three more granular features of the opinion that are akin to prosecutorial roadblocks.

First, the bar to rebut that presumption is HIGH. The court says the question to ask is whether prosecuting the official act in question “would pose any dangers of intrusion on the authority and functions of the Executive Branch.”

Second, the government can never use evidence of official acts that don’t clear that bar. Put another way, if it can’t be charged, it can’t come in, even to inform the jury’s understanding of a president’s knowledge or intent.

And third, in determining what is and is not official, courts cannot consider a president’s motive or purpose. A president raids the home of a political rival because of their beef, not because of any legitimately suspected criminal activity? The beef is irrelevant legally

Sorry—I left out her fourth tweet in the thread:

What does that mean practically? Think about the various times that DOJ officials told Trump he had lost and/or that there was no widespread evidence of fraud justifying further investigations or action. All of those instances are off the table as trial evidence now

R80, R81, R82, R83 are all blocked for me.

Because you had some hissy fit, you moron.

"What does it all mean?"

This.

I’m British and have said on other similar threads. Here we go again, you all keep arguing about the detail, the interpretation. It’ll never happen, and all the while he’s done it again. Got away with it. When he’s your next president all your endless arguing of this point or that point will be irrelevant . Everyone saying. He’ll never be allowed to stand. He’ll go to prison. He’ be fined. See what’s happening. He’s going to win. You’re going to let him win. Forget all this right and wrong shit. You’ve let that boat sail long ago. Forget policies for the moment. It’s too late for all that. You have one choice. Vote to stop Trump. If he gets back in you’ll never have a say in anything ever again.

[quote] I'm looking at you, Eddie Glaude, Jr.

Hey R55

^^^.

Well, well, well, my prediction that he we get away with EVERYTHING is coming true. Worried yet? A senile pussy Democratic President with his gang of morons really have our fucking nuts in a vice now. All this time, Biden COULD of played hardball. He did not. He did not start the effort to expand the Supreme Court, he well...does fucking nothing to fight. We are now at the mercy of a pussified Democratic Underground Centrist Democratic gang that will NEVER FIGHT.

It's almost over kids, the bad stuff will start happening right after our new Fascist Dictator takes office.

Don't say no one told you this would happen.

Thanks, Ruth.

We’re THRILLED!

Is there any way to reverse a block?

Busting heads cunt, what do you think it means, full on revolution like the French one, blood in the streets!!!! Slaughter them all!!!

You cannot pin this on RBG, R91. It was a 6-3 decision.

You have no power in your hands.

Everything is fixed.

And you can't change it.

Look at your Donald Trump!

I'll agree: He's mad!

Oughta be locked up! BUT.....

Will you be voting for the Fascist Dictator then, R90? Most of your post was bitching about the President and Democrats, so it's hard to believe you would ever vote for them with that laundry list of grievances.

Just wait until they get to Gay Marriage, they will split hairs whereby they will allow the marriage part but deny things like federal benefits or religious business owners are allowed to ignore the marriage. Something totally fucked up like that. Where Log Cabin gays can say see, we saved gay marriage but not.

[quote] All this time, Biden COULD of played hardball.

R90? All this time, you could [bold]HAVE[/bold] gone to a real school and learned something.

[quote]Biden COULD of played hardball. He did not. He did not start the effort to expand the Supreme Court

Biden didnt and still does not have the power and votes to do that. The Republicans still control the House.

[quote]I wonder what Merrick Garland has to say about all this.

MAGA Merrick is probably out celebrating.

If they try to appeal the NYS decision Trumpito will still have to go to prison if sentenced.

I get the Garland hate, but like the RBG critics, we can’t pin this decision on him. We’d have gotten the same decision if he had acted with more alacrity.

If Kamala gets in there a year down the road, one good thing is she will not hesitate to use the new ruling to her favor. In CA she was more proactive like that.

How about blaming JAMES COMEY in lieu of RBG???????

“Why not both?” GIF of little girl here in response to R106.

If Trump gets in there will be more children separated from their parents and put in cages. I guess the Republican Supreme Court likes that idea. Sadists.

r90's only other post:

*Trump Can't Win, part 2*

[quote]It's over. The fat lady is singing. President Trump. Get your passports in order, as you may not be able to leave after November.

perhaps biden should 'officially' declare trump an enemy combatant and have him locked up in Gitmo or shot- both now perfectly legal under scotus ruling

How about blaming Prof. Eddie Glaude, Jr., R106 & 107?!

We knew this was coming. You can’t be surprised.

SCROTUS is utterly corrupt, as we have known.

Dump is an enemy of the US. So are Thomas and Alito.

So depressed but slightly hopeful this will reignite Democrats. Enough of this lunacy.

I’m in France on vacation. They are facing turn to hard right in current election. Sitting at an old cafe and imagining others who sat here in 1938, watching the storm clouds of fascism approaching. Absolutely unbelievable that it’s happening less than a century later.

[quote]Tell that to the utterly partisan Supreme Court, [R52]. The intentions of the writers of the Constitution have been shredded and launched into space. The 'three branches of government' are basically now a fiction.

And you need to find your old history teacher and smack them for me.

FDR tried to get appointed “conservators” for any Supreme Court Justice over the age of 70. FDR did a lot of shady shit. That’s why it was decided that a POTUS could only serve two terms. So don’t start with “Trump shredded the Constitution” because it was being done by rich liberals long before Trump was born.

POTUS didn’t decide shit, R114. The two-term limit was a constitutional amendment. Find your own old history teacher & smack him or her yourself.

They want this one Republican President to have full immunity but they desperately have to ensure his re-election

It means ABSOLUTE COMPLETE IMMUNITY

[quote]POTUS didn’t decide shit, [R114]. The two-term limit was a constitutional amendment. Find your own old history teacher & smack him or her yourself.

I never said POTUS decided it. Smack yourself for me.

The New York Times article title has now properly been updated to read:

Supreme Court Gives Trump "SUBSTANTIAL" Immunity From Prosecution

They initially made it appear that he was allowed a pittance of additional immunity. There must have been significant outrage inside the paper and from readers for them to change their gaslighting heading.

The brown and black kids that will happen to aren't really human to them, R108. They're more like... animals.

You see what they think of them when cons throw around that term or "thug" on here.

Pretty white children will be stolen for abuse and breeding. Just like Putin does it in Mother Russia.

Coming soon to an administration near you:

Royal Proclamation number one: As long as you live in Trumpville you shall consider me your god. And if you ever see me in the streets you shall bow and shout. I honor you

Dump all the evidence, all the depositions, - every word of it - for every now dead case onto the NYT and the WP.

I blame Michelle Obama and her “they go low-we go high” shit. Thanks, Obama.

🍊 🔫 💀

R123, Blame James Comey.

He's the one that released BS right before the election that let the Orange Shit Ass get into office.

I told you: “If the President does it, that means it’s not illegal.”

Trump recently tweeted that Liz Cheney commited treason so she's on his hit list.

what the fuck

[quote] Every battleground state liberal-minded person who couldn't see fit to vote for Hillary, either sitting the election out or casting a ballot for Jill Stein, should be hanging their head in shame. This is what you fuckin' did to this country. Shame should rain on your collective heads.

It has always driven me nuts that those fucking asswipe Jill Stein voters in 2016 don't get called out much. They are just as bad as MAGATS.

The only sane people at this point are centrist Democrats and the Republicans who have never supported Trump. I still believe the moderates might be the ones to save the country.

My first official act is to remove the broadcast license of MSNBC and prevent them from ever receiving a broadcast license again. Don’t bother suing me because it’s an official act.

[quote] Trump recently tweeted that Liz Cheney commited treason so she's on his hit list.

Could Daddy Dick Cheney have dirt on Trump?

R130–this ruling does not say that the President’s official actions can’t be challenged in court. It says he can’t be criminally prosecuted for them.

[quote]Could Daddy Dick Cheney have dirt on Trump?

We've got more than enough dirt, r131. It seems to have no effect.

When [the president] uses his official powers in any way, under the majority's reasoning, he now will be insulated from criminal prosecution," Sotomayor wrote in a dissenting opinion. "Orders the Navy's Seal Team 6 to assassinate a political rival? Immune. Organizes a military coup to hold onto power? Immune. Takes a bribe in exchange for a pardon? Immune. Immune, immune, immune."

- Thanks, Soto, these are great suggestions…

R123 You type like a MAGAT, with the "its Obama's fault" schtick two presidents later and years after he left office.

[quote] Trump recently tweeted that Liz Cheney commited treason so she's on his hit list.

I've been telling you for months that you deranged gals were going to be disappointed. Next all his convictions will be overturned.

[quote] Although we may never know with complete certainty the identity of the winner of this year's Presidential election, the identity of the loser is perfectly clear. It is the Nation's confidence in the judge as an impartial guardian of the rule of law.

Even if the president would ever see a (sham) trial for killing or raping someone, or bombing an American city that insulted his fat ass or shitty hairstyle, or he or his supporters mowed down peaceful protesters, who says a judge would sentence him fairly? That judge and his or her family would just be killed by MAGATs and pardoned by King Trump.

Trump would be America's Putin, only dumber and fatter.

I guess this means Trump can order a US Marshall to arrest someone and put them in prison without a trial as an official act? What are the boundaries? None?

[quote] who says a judge would sentence him fairly?

ahem...

[quote] the Justice Department "has long recognized" that "the separation of powers precludes the criminal prosecution of a sitting President."

So does Biden. Go Dark Brandon.

A few months ago I had a discussion about this presidential immunity topic with a coworker who works in my company's legal department and is well versed in constitutional law. He said that since the majority of today's SCOTUS is blatantly partisan and corrupt, he basically predicted this ruling back then, and was dreading that his fears would come to pass.

A Tale of Two Democracies

The Dirty Filthy Lawless Pigs Have Spoken

America, Once Beautiful

Now Trump can do the same shit Putin does! Arrest anyone etc.

What is the Supreme Court thinking? Are they trying to kill us all?

The Oligarchs sure as hell got what they paid for

Silver lining: this ruling sends the J6 case back to the district court, where for the next few months there will be hearings where Jack Smith can dump all the damning evidence he has, and subpoena witnesses such as Pence and Meadows, to argue that Trump's actions were official acts. So even if the judge rules that they were and Trump appeals, the J6 trial will have effectively been argued in the court of public opinion with all of Trump’s criminality on display!

It’s time for the Alitos and the Thomases to have a summer full of 5 Star ⭐️ vacations

Can President Biden in his official capacity remove the Republican justices?

To protect the Constitution.

Partial or nothing for all Democratic Presidents and COMPLETE IMMUNITY for All Rethugs

No, the 3 powers are separate and each has equal power. A supreme justice can be impeached by Congress.

Everyone in this country needs to vote blue across the board in November. If they don't, they'll be sorry and the rest of us will be, too.

[quote] this ruling sends the J6 case back to the district court, where for the next few months there will be hearings where Jack Smith can dump all the damning evidence he has, and subpoena witnesses such as Pence and Meadows, to argue that Trump's actions were official acts. So even if the judge rules that they were and Trump appeals, the J6 trial will have effectively been argued in the court of public opinion with all of Trump’s criminality on display!

Yes, this time it will have an effect, unlike all the other times it’s all been aired.

I officially asked Monica to blow me and I got impeached!

Biden announces on July 4th that he is PRESIDENT FOR LIFE with COMPLETE IMMUNITY

The Supreme Court just acted to protect Obama from being dragged to the Hague for all the innocent civilians he droned, not to mention that American citizen specifically targeted and killed without due process of law.

During his presidency, Obama approved the use of 563 drone strikes that killed approximately 3,797 people. In fact, Obama authorized 54 drone strikes alone in Pakistan during his first year in office. One of the first CIA drone strikes under President Obama was at a funeral, murdering as many as 41 Pakistani civilians. The following year, Obama led 128 CIA drone strikes in Pakistan that killed at least 89 civilians.

And the countless millions for Nixon, Reagan & The Bushes???

[bold]"In accordance with the Supreme Court ruling, I now, in my official capacity, give myself the title KING TRUMP, forever president.". [/bold]-------wait for it because that is exactly what SCOTUS ruled today..

[bold] "In accordance with the Supreme Court ruling, I now, in my official capacity, REMOVE all Supreme Court Justices from their duties to be replaced by Jim Jordan, JD Vance, Lindsay Graham, Marjorie Taylor Greene, Don Jr, Hannity, and Melania. I am dispatching the military to "escort" the former justices from their offices."[/bold]-----King Trump.

Roberts said to the female justices that they were too emotional. WHAT AN ASSHOLE!

Most of you need to be quiet and go back to your Golden Girls reruns.

Should Trump get back into office, this ruling protects Biden from anything Trump tries to do.

[quote] Most of you need to be quiet and go back to your Golden Girls reruns.

Most of these obsessives are mentally incapable of seeing beyond Trump.

[quote]Should Trump get back into office, this ruling protects Biden from anything Trump tries to do.

How so, r170?

We know that Dump and his cronies are ready to build concentration camps and deportation centers. And that he'll get revenge on his enemies-Democrats, never-Trump Republicans like Liz Cheney, DOJ officials, reporters, and those who made fun of him. When they're done with those people, they'll be coming after internet commenters and people who've said derogatory things about Trump. I'm sure Zuckerberg and Elmo already have nice little algorithms set up so the Trump death squads can easily comb through data and find resistors. And the SCROTUS would just say that's all fine, he was acting on his Presidential duties.

Better vote appropriately, people.

R170 Who gives a fuck about Biden AFTER he loses in November?. And he is losing. We all saw that on Thursday.

I can’t wait until the fascists on the Supreme Court and politicians to be held accountable. It will happen. Fuck those judges!!

[quote] Who gives a fuck about Biden AFTER he loses in November?. And he is losing. We all saw that on Thursday.

Biden was a hot mess, but I remember the release of the Access Hollywood tape - in October, not June - & no one thought Trump could recover from that. So a little humility might be in order. And Biden has the good luck in running against Trump, who's likely to be even more emboldened, more reckless, if he's convinced he has this race in the bag.

[quote]How so, [R170]?

Once out of office, Biden can be charged with lots of things under the banner of “Dereliction of Duty”

Deaths of Americans by illegal aliens (He’s supposed to secure the border)

Deaths of Americans in Kabul Airport (He’s supposed to be the Commander in Chief)

[quote] never-Trump Republicans like Liz Cheney

Liz Cheney voted for Trump and she pretty much agreed with a lot of his policies. She only stopped supporting Trump after January 6th.

Don't be so churlish, R178. Liz Cheney may not be an OG Never Trumper, but she's a Never Trumper now.

Biden talking now. At least he's bringing up Dump and the January 6th shit.

Disgusted, but not surprised

Clarence Thomas is investigating whether Jack Smith's role as Special Counsel is constitutional. I hope that fucker dies soon.

This is so grim. SCOTUS has given an immoral, deranged man presumptive immunity from criminal prosecution.

[quote] Clarence Thomas is investigating whether Jack Smith's role as Special Counsel is constitutional. I hope that fucker dies soon.

That's harsh. Would you just settle for Jack Smith peacefully retiring ?

Donald Trump got our intelligence operatives killed. He stole nuclear secrets. He stole top secret documents. He SOLD some of that information to enemies of America.

Anyone who protects him, is protecting enemies of America.

Wanting America to be all-white is one thing you dumb choades but when our enemies can disable our nukes it doesn't matter what color we are. Everyone ends up the same fuckin color after they've been nuked, you morons.

Sorry. By saying "you morons", I meant Trumpets, not regular DL posters. Apologies.

[quote] Biden didnt and still does not have the power and votes to do that. The Republicans still control the House.

He only needs the Senate's vote too empanel additional Supreme Court justices.

But hes old so I won't go vote him even though im a hardcore Democrat! Also her e-mails!!!!!

R90

Could HAVE

[quote] Yes, this time it will have an effect, unlike all the other times it’s all been aired.

R161 we have not even seen the tip of the iceberg of evidence that Smith has collected as part of his investigation. That’s all about to come out now.

We may not have prevailed, but my dissent was HOT and SPICY!

Given that the elder circle around Joe will never let go, I guess the best we can hope for in November is that more Americans will show up to stop Trump and his lawlessness, over those who want that.

But even that is only a temporary solution to stop a Republican from getting in, taking over, and testing what he or she can get away with under this new anything goes framework. This new framework, btw, only makes sense if the person is responsible. With someone like Trump, it would give him permission to break all the norms and wreak even more havoc. Not sure how we explain that to voters, since Biden is not exactly Mr. Excitement.

And given the current composition of the court, it will take generations to reverse this ruling.

[quote]we have not even seen the tip of the iceberg of evidence that Smith has collected as part of his investigation. That’s all about to come out now.

Don't bet on it. The Court ruled today that the acts for which a president is immune from criminal charges cannot be used as evidence during trial on other matters.

[quote] Don't bet on it. The Court ruled today that the acts for which a president is immune from criminal charges cannot be used as evidence during trial on other matters.

You don’t get it , do you ?

We’re not talking about the trial. We’re talking about the court hearings that will now be held to look at ALL the evidence to assess whether or not Trump’s actions could be considered Official Acts or not. Once the actual trial starts, sure that jury may end up not seeing all the evidence, but the REAL jury - the voters - will now get to see all of it. Oh which by the way includes anyone who will eventually sit on the trial jury.

Of.

Course.

He.

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[quote]Hard to see how anything in the hush money case could be deemed “official.”

Nor in any of the cases against Trump. Is it an official act for a President to ask a State to "find me 11000 votes"? Is it an official act for a President to ask his followers to storm the Capitol and "stop" the Vice-President? The FBI clearly doesn't consider it an official act for a President to hide files at home and refuse to hand them over. Apart from the hush money case, all of these were committed after the election. In most other countries Biden would have taken office the next day, so there could be no doubt at all that Trump did these crimes as a private citizen.

[quote]Once the actual trial starts, sure that jury may end up not seeing all the evidence, but the REAL jury - the voters - will now get to see all of it.

Yes, that evidence about election minutiae will be much more engaging and effective with the American public than the case about paying hush money to a porn star that he had sex with.

[quote] My first official act is to remove the broadcast license of MSNBC and prevent them from ever receiving a broadcast license again. Don’t bother suing me because it’s an official act.—DJT

Sorry DJT but MSNBC doesn't have any license to remove, neither does NBC, Only local station that broadcast over the air waves have licenses. That is because the air waves are owned by the public, MSNBC arrives via wires that are privately owned.

Trump bullshits all the time. Mostly it is bullshit. He is like a used car salesman. con artist will say whatever is on his mind at the moment and then forgetten.

I say Joe test this ruling and blow Dump's "Air Force II" out the fucking sky.

Hey, Dump's a wannabe-dictator orchestrating a coup -- it would be an "official act"!

Supreme Court has not jurisdiction over New York State criminal felony case, even that of a president.

R205 = Jurisdiction won't matter much when Emperor Trump sends tanks to surround the building. We are fucked. Democrats don't come back from this.

We don't come back from this. Once we started allowing Mitch (more than once), to steal Supreme Court seats, democracy was over. We Democrats whimpered and whined when we lost. The Republican lunatics stormed the whole fucking Capital when they lost. It's over. They will never give up the White House again when Biden loses in November. [bold]Biden is right. Democracy IS on the ballot. Unfortunately so is he. We really do not come back from this.[/bold]

We still have his moron running the post office. That's going well, don't you think? Now multiply THAT by every agency he will appoint a new head of to dismantle it from the inside.

I swear to god, the Democratic Underground "Happy Happy Joy Joy" gang here will not believe anything until the Trump ass is sitting on their face smothering them.

I wonder how much China and Russia will pay Trump to get him to stand down when they invade Europe? Gotta be at least 5 billion cash!!. And it will be LEGAL!! Wait for it.

Horrid

If he allows Russer to have Alaska back as "punishment" for their slights or shut down all of our manufacturing plants or cut off trade with Vietnam, things that has been giving China a run for their money...no one can stop him.

It screws over America and Americans but a king does what a king wants, right MAGAts? You all can eat your bullets when those manufacturing plants are closed by King Trump and you're starving.

He'll have his gold, he won't take care of you peasants.

Fortunately, R212, Alaskans vote Republican. On the other hand, it would be a way to get that heretic Lisa Murkowski out of the Senate.

It’s all the same 🤷🏻‍♂️ - Maher/Stewart

She really was R76.

[quote]I swear to god, the Democratic Underground "Happy Happy Joy Joy" gang here will not believe anything until the Trump ass is sitting on their face smothering them.

THIS.

2/3 of this SCOTUS should be Romanoved.

[quote]Trump bullshits all the time. Mostly it is bullshit. He is like a used car salesman. con artist will say whatever is on his mind at the moment and then forgetten.

Wrong, Trump is vindictive. If he were a used car salesman, he would show up at your home after you bought the car and put sugar in your gas tank because you commented on his makeup.

R218, he has the temperament of a petty young teen girl.

Well then, if that ruling protects Trump, it protects Biden. So Joe, have your DOJ put Trump behind bars, and then arrest all 6 of the right wing corrupt SCOTUS Justices. Then you can move on to locking up all the corrupt MAGATS in Congress. Officially, of course.

One thing I'm somewhat calm about if Trump gets back in the White House is that he will never make the military do anything that is too crazy. The heads of the military branches said a good while back that they would never follow any order by Trump to do anything that they basically deemed insane.

^He plans on replacing them with loyalists

[quote]The heads of the military branches said a good while back that they would never follow any order by Trump to do anything that they basically deemed insane.

The heads of the military branches can be replaced.

He will fire all the Generals who disagree with him. He did that once already when he pulled one in his admin as his advisor. Trump will be emboldened now more than ever to do that if he gets back in. Who's going to stop him the Republican party?

R220 is correct, we should do that, is there any doubt if the shoe were on the other foot that Trump do that immediately and the Republican party as a whole would give him their blessing on top of hat.

[quote]Well then, if that ruling protects Trump, it protects Biden. So Joe, have your DOJ put Trump behind bars, and then arrest all 6 of the right wing corrupt SCOTUS Justices. Then you can move on to locking up all the corrupt MAGATS in Congress. Officially, of course.

Of course, you know Joe would never do that. Most presidents, like Joe, would still be constrained by their principles. Trump has no principles.

If only we had an AG worth a shit, who would go after the traitors in our govt.

It will be great that concert tix are cheaper for the billionaire/millionaire class though. Can't wait to see the pics and vids on their socials, maybe they will show them on big screens in the camps.

If the Dems and Biden are smart, they build a plan now, wait until after the election and if Biden loses, the very next day take massive action with things that are now legal to throw sand in the gears before Trump assumes power. I am not joking here, I am talking about things like adding judges to the Supreme court WITHOUT congress, oh that's illegal, that's not how it works? Fuck off, now it's not. I am the King, it's my official act. Dems need to think radical out of the box. Just pretend your are MAGA on drugs and unlimited power, it's not that hard.

Hate to say this but one way of shutting Trump down would be a shooting war with Russia. Say, if Biden provokes Putin into shooting down an American plane in the Black Sea. Biden could also order U.S. troops and equipment into Ukraine in a “support role” (e.g to protect / rebuild their energy infrastructure), creating a tripwire for a crisis. MOST Americans would rally behind the troops and Biden, Trump would be out there advocating for Putin. Certainly only a minority would be crazy enough to elect Trump while in the middle of a major conflict.

If Biden wins reelection, I feel sure we'll get a vacancy or 2 on the SCOTUS relatively quickly. Biden should immediately nominate Garland and put someone new and more fierce as the DOJ head. Garland is far better suited for the SCOTUS than the DOJ.

If the Dems and Biden are smart, they build a plan now,

I'm more than sure that's exactly what they're doing. The dems have always been far better at working secretly in the background, unlike republicans who prefer to be 'in your face' with most of their activities.

I'm not sure Garland wasn't a failed experiment, in all respects. It might just be better to let him retire.

But I'm curious, R231, what is your basis for thinking two vacancies will come on the court? The oldest are Thomas, 76 and Alito, 74. They won't go anywhere. They're having too much fun.

[quote]Garland is far better suited for the SCOTUS than the DOJ.

You seriously want MAGA Merrick Garland on the Supreme Court?

Garland had his chance, I am over him. He could have resolved this whole Jan 6th thing by now if he had not sat on his hands for 2 years. Now Trump is going to walk free of any consequences. 4 different cases are all going down the crapper.

Politically, maybe this is good. Maybe it will motivate enough swing voters to at least defeat Trump in November.

In the long term though, what are the options? Could the Court (not this court, but a future court) reconsider the ruling in the same way Roe got reconsidered? Can Congress pass a law that limits Presidential immunity? Because all of a sudden the power of the Supreme Court is looking like a pretty grave threat to democracy. I don't know if it did place the president above the law in the end, but it created such a quagmire of protracted litigation that it effectively did. At his age, Trump is unlikely to outlive any litigation over anything he would do in a second term.

I wouldn't be the least bit shocked if Trump names Garland as his DOJ head and MAGA Merrick pursues Hillary, Hunter and other top Dems.

Yes, R236, it could be changed down the road with another court, but you are taking decades later. You would need all new judges and cases brought in front of them to decide on and revers older decision. Maybe 30 or 40 years from now IF the majority were progressive at that point. Which is a long shot even then. NOW is the time to do something about it. It's now or never.

[quote]The oldest are Thomas, 76 and Alito, 74. They won't go anywhere.

Alito may be there for a while but the mortality tables are not encouraging for an obese black man.

If Trump wins and the GOP takes the Senate, Alito and Thomas will retire in 2025, 2026. Probably one the first year, and the other the second year. They will be replaced with much younger versions of themselves.

The Supreme Court is off the rails, completely. I guess they believe Presidents are Emperors… especially when they are Republican.

Logically it follows that professionals like doctors, lawyers etc are immune from acts done while practicing. So very fucked up.

MAGA Merrick is already playing judge and jury, by refusing to go after any rich, white conservatives.

He might as well be a SCROTUS, 7-3.

On what grounds? so many of you are completely delusional.

[quote] If Biden wins reelection, I feel sure we'll get a vacancy or 2 on the SCOTUS relatively quickly. Biden should immediately nominate Garland and put someone new and more fierce as the DOJ head. Garland is far better suited for the SCOTUS than the DOJ.

Garland turns 72 in November. So no, of course.

Biden won't win

[quote] Garland had his chance, I am over him. He could have resolved this whole Jan 6th thing by now if he had not sat on his hands for 2 years.

We just would have gotten the same SCOTUS decision we got yesterday. And with the resulting appeals, we still (most) likely would not have gotten to the actual trial by now.

[quote] But I'm curious, [R231], what is your basis for thinking two vacancies will come on the court?

If Biden wins I believe the dems will really ramp up the investigations into (Alito & Thomas) and their activities off the bench. And I believe if they look deep enough they'll find enough to either put them both, and/or their crooked wives, in great legal jeopardy or encourage them to retire in order to save their sorry hides.

Biden won't have the albatross of running again hanging over his head. I hope he'll throw caution to the wind when needed and go full force after traitors like those two and so many more.

Trump... everything about that man just brings chaos to everything. What a disaster.

Garland turns 72 in November. So no, of course.

You must be quite young. 72 is not ancient by any means.

Biden is mentally unfit to do anything.

One of Joe's greatest faults is he's still a sucker for that fiction of courtliness and demeanor that is a Senate that doesn't exist anymore. He won't throw anything to the wind. He's not got it in him. He still pimps the old "we're America, there's nothing we can't do." Well, the rest of the world is starting to see how there's nothing you won't do.

[quote] Trump... everything about that man just brings chaos to everything.

Another way to state it is that his actions and words generate mass hysteria.

Wrongly so, R252? Come on. That asshole's brought the country one of the most omnious court rulings in its history.

Imagine Mitch McConnell as president with this ruling. Or Josh Hawley.

^ I get Hawley, but McConnell, a man of the Senate who's never, ever been even mentioned as a presidential aspirant?!

My point was someone of Mitch McConnell's ruthlessness. The Garland nomination for starters, and then Barrett at the next opportunity. So imagine his kind with no law thingys in the way.

There are so many mediocre, right wing candidates for president and if it just got easier to throw red meat to the idiot base, watch out.

[quote] My point was someone of Mitch McConnell's ruthlessness.

For all his ruthlessness, let's at least credit McConnell for resisting Trump's strong-arm pressure to repeal the filibuster rule & thus, in effect, saving Obamacare. I'm not so sanguine about what his successor as Majority Leader would do in a second Trump administration.

This is how fascism comes to power: use the democratic process to achieve power and then dismantle the democratic institutions that put you into power in the first place. Check that box. That has slowly occurred over the past decades as the extremists in the GOP have gained power. There is the Führer principle that states that only one man can save the nation, and they build a cult of personality around him. Check that box. You need a compliant judicial system to make it all look legal. Check that box. Under nazism, the Germans sought to create a racially pure community (Volksgemeinschaft). There are many parallels between Christian nationalism and nazism. The GOP is now overtly anti-nonwhite and anti-immigrant. Demonize them is their credo. Check that box. Once again in power Trumpism will deal with its political and other domestic "enemies."

It's happening here.

What is so hard to understand is these people turned the Constitution upside down because of the alleged grave threat that vindictive Presidents would improperly go after their predecessors, a problem that never happened (unless you believe Trump is being unfairly persecuted in which case it has happened exactly once.)

Never mind that the courts (including their court) have many tools to stop an unfair prosecution. The THREAT of such an abusive prosecution is enough to chill the President from “bold action” and therefore the Court must rewrite the Constitution and ignore its own unanimous precedent (US v. Nixon)

A Court that claims to be motivated by the fear of a vindictive President abusing the Justice Department alleges to solve that problem by giving Presidents MORE control over the Justice Department and immunity from criminal liability for abusing his power. It is illogical.

They do this in order to protect the only President who openly threatens to prosecute his political opponents. Their “solution” is to give any President absolute, non-reviewable control of the Justice Department and immunity from criminal prosecution.

They do not even address the points raised by the dissenting Justices other than a dismissive wave of the hand.

Clearly, they must believe that Trump did nothing wrong and it is his prosecutions that are the grave threat to the Republic. This is an intensely partisan interpretation of events. Two of the Justice’s wives (at least) are outspoken supporters of the Defendant in this case, but they did not recuse.

Either they are insane or corrupt partisan agents.

[quote] And given the current composition of the court, it will take generations to reverse this ruling.

I pray Thomas and Alito will not be around for generations. Roberts has the potential to be a swing vote. I can see him revisiting the immunity decision and agreeing to a narrower, more definitive rule once its been tested by something preposterous. Trump is the only President who has engaged in conduct resulting in criminal prosecution. This issue was a matter of first impression for the Supreme Court.

Biden should order the immediate arrest of Clarence Thomas on corruption charges. After all, it’s entirely up to him whom to arrest and whom to prosecute, right Clarence?

Of Course the Court would then immediately declare its members immune from criminal prosecution on the same grounds—you don’t want them to be inhibited.

[quote]Trump bullshits all the time. Mostly it is bullshit. He is like a used car salesman. con artist will say whatever is on his mind at the moment and then forgetten.

he bullshits, but his only priorities are the grift and vengeance - he's dangerous

which is way we always have to keep our thumb on him.

R260, Roberts WROTE the decision. He is no moderate.

[quote] Trump is the only President who has engaged in conduct resulting in criminal prosecution.

clinton lying under oath could be considered a crime. Nixon lying likewise could be considered a crime. honestly, in an alternate universe a litigious congress could convict a president of MANY evils if they saw fit. we have a ham-strung one at present though

Congress doesn't have the authority to convict anyone of anything.

Clinton was prosecuted by the last of the Independent Counsels. The law authorizing independent counsels is no longer in effect. Under yesterday’s ruling, Clinton would have the power to shut down any investigation of himself.

The Court’s rationale does not survive rational scrutiny. The decision is logical only if understood as motivated to empower and protect Trump. If we survive this period and history may be freely written, they will go down in infamy.

Justice Roberts likes the idea of expanded powers of the presidency

If the Court were acting in good faith, the partisan divide would trouble them and some effort would be made to reach a decision that did not result in complete partisan disagreement. Instead, the majority does not even engage the dissent other than to say ‘they are overreacting.” They might as well have said “Please ignore the hysterical women in the corner.”

Roberts is the worst chief justice in the history of the SCOTUS.

NYT: Former President Donald J. Trump has escalated his vows to prosecute his political opponents, circulating posts on his social media website invoking “televised military tribunals” and calling for the jailing of President Biden, Vice President Kamala Harris, Senators Mitch McConnell and Chuck Schumer and former Vice President Mike Pence, among other high-profile politicians.

One post that he circulated on Sunday singled out Liz Cheney, the former Wyoming congresswoman who is a Republican critic of Mr. Trump’s, and called for her to be prosecuted by a type of military court reserved for enemy combatants and war criminals.

A separate post included photos of 15 former and current elected officials that said, in all-capital letters, “they should be going to jail on Monday not Steve Bannon!” Those officials included Mr. Biden, Ms. Harris, Mr. Pence, Mr. Schumer and Mr. McConnell — the top leaders in the Senate — and Representative Nancy Pelosi, the former House speaker.

In order to stop the vindictive prosecution of a former President we must enable vindictive prosecutions of everyone else!

R271, yes. I thought Roger Taney, who authored the infamous Dred Scott decision, would always hold that position but he’s been dethroned.

Unfortunately the democrats have yet to learn that you can only fight fire with fire. The day Michelle Obama said "when they go low, we go high", she should have been slapped across the face. It's that kind of weak leadership the republican party has exploited for many decades.

I hope Trump amps up his threats against his detractors to a huge degree. It makes him look more and more unhinged.

I don't know that it's possible for him to look more unhinged than he already does.

has obama said anything? he must know the state biden's been in for quite some time

I just remember many small countries were very happy with Trump coz Trump was going after China. And fucking Chinese cunts gave us covid and fucked up our world!

What they’re going to find rather quickly is that if you don’t enforce the rule of law for the President, it’s kind of hard to enforce it with other people.

We’ve never had a king before. SCOTUS is trying to wave a magic wand and make this all go away for Trump but what they’re really doing is diminishing the judicial branch, justice and the rule of law for everybody.

Why should other people be held to the rule of law if this criminal isn’t? DAs will lose the will to prosecute, jurors will lose the will to convict, judges will lose the will to sentence.

When you weaken the system, it is weakened for everybody.

"Televised military tribunals" at the same time as claiming his supreme court 'win' is a new deeper level of unhinged, and all too believable. It comes from a powerfully vindictive place within him. Disgusting warning duly noted.

I mean pretty soon, people are gonna be fed up. he's allowed to get away with things just coz of his job. We are all supposed to be equal in the eyes of the law.

We can have Feeble Joe stand against him. Suicide.

People don’t want to hear this, but at some point you need to focus on Biden getting more votes than Trump in November rather than trying to take Trump out using the court system.

This is the orginal that you all keep saying didn't exist before trump

That’s about being sued while in office, not about being prosecuted after he leaves.

Just like I've been saying, equal justice for everyone.

Now, back to my nap.

Ok - so we have all the evidence that this court is off the rails.

Pack the court, set term limits, and create an ethics provision that has the power to remove them for unethical behavior - including bribes, trips, and supporting ANY political candidate.

[quote]. Instead, the majority does not even engage the dissent other than to say ‘they are overreacting.” They might as well have said “Please ignore the hysterical women in the corner.”

they aren't acting in good faith, that is clear. three turmp appointees alone lied under oath to congress. the graft and grift that the older justices enjoy is Qing Dynasty level of venality

[quote] Pack the court, set term limits, and create an ethics provision that has the power to remove them for unethical behavior

So, what can WE do?

Besides grab out pitchforks and hit the road?

Because I’m about ready to break my foot off in Alito’s clenched ass.

Trump's sentencing has been postponed until September now. Which is a good thing, he will be officially nominated in July and then their candidate will be sentenced right before the election.

[quote] Trump's sentencing has been postponed until September now. Which is a good thing

Yes, the plan is going perfectly.

[quote]Which is a good thing, he will be officially nominated in July and then their candidate will be sentenced right before the election.

Yes, being found guilty of 34 felonies didn't make a dent in his support but sentencing will make all the difference!

^ Most of the undecided voters won't even begin paying attention until September or October, which is why this is a good thing.

There may be fewer undecided voters left after each of Biden’s future episodes.

R293 He's probably won't get any jail/prison time.

Most rich men don't get jail time for white-collar crimes. Or they do a few months in the federal prison that is a country club with tennis courts and good food.

September you say? Oh, yes, I have instructed my lawyers to not put up any more frivolous delays and appeals in September 🙄 -DJT

Revenge.

If Cheney were to be tried for anything, it would have to be through the regular court system. However, shouldn’t it be her father who is put on trial, for his conduct during the Bush administration?

And he may be President. This country is so fucked up.

I keep up with the news but before this week I never heard of Project 2025. Did you?

Okay, I'm legit confused about something. Where is this absolute certainty that Dump is going to win coming from? Polls? The same ones that told us Hillary was going to mop the floor with Dump? That's it? There's no other metric that this panic is coming from? I desperately want to be informed. Help.

The military will not allow a military tribunal. it is bullshit. Dick Cheney likes to shoot people in the face. Trump shouldn't be messing with Cheney and Blackrock.

[quote]I keep up with the news but before this week I never heard of Project 2025. Did you?

It's been discussed on DL for some time, r304.

I agree r306. When Dump decided to pick a fight with Liz Chaney, I think he forgot who her father is. Me thinks Dump could wind up deceased before the election.

Wouldn't that be great R308. And If that were to happen I would even forgive evil Dick Cheney and make him my hero.

Trump has already said today if he wins he plans to TEST THE LIMITS of the new law. Stop pretending it's no big deal, he WILL do it. And the same polls that say he is ahead, say Republicans will win the both the House and the Senate at the same time.

I don't believe the polls. I feel like there is manipulation of some kind going on. Trump is a career criminal, rapist, Putin ass licking idiot. How could anyone intelligent enough to be engaged in politics not see that? The public knows Trump is responsible for the overturning of Roe. He bragged about it at the debate. I refuse to believe he's that far ahead of Biden, if at all.

Because people were shocked and felt gaslighted by the white house. Trump was being Trump which everyone is used to and a lot of people love Trump even the people who don't like him but like his tax cuts and anti-regulation. Biden is too out of it to be president and most people won't vote for a vegetable. We need someone who can meet with world leaders and stay awake past 4:00 pm

Most countries have laws against meeting convicted felons too, so Dump is out.

[quote] How could anyone intelligent enough to be engaged in politics not see that?

Enjoy your trip to America. You obviously don’t live here.

[quote] The public knows Trump is responsible for the overturning of Roe.

A recent poll showed that 17% believed BIDEN was responsible. For these low information voters (???), all they know is that it happened under his presidency.

Overturning Roe would not have been possible without Harry Reid removing the filibuster on judges. He’s the godfather of the end of Roe.

Trump will use the new law (if elected) to go after his personal enemies...he holds grudges. I guess one of them will be his former lawyer Michael C.

seriously. who the fuck gave the OK to allow all these illegals into the country? Dems are gonna lose the election because of this.

r319 - Could you *be* any more retarded?

[quote]I just remember many small countries were very happy with Trump coz Trump was going after China. And fucking Chinese cunts gave us covid and fucked up our world!

R320, a friend of mine used to work in the U.N. and I was told many countries loved Trump.

How about the "shithole" ones, R321?

Yeah, r321? Actually no. Go play make-believe somewhere else. You seem new to DL.

The only countries that liked Trump were shitholes run by dictators-eg. Russia and North Korea. Do try harder R321.

If only Elaine hadn't fucked up her first attempt at taking out Senator Turtle then none of this would be happening.

Trump bragged the day before yesterday that he planned on jailing McConnell when he was re-elected.

You'd think Mitch -- knowing Orange Jesus always has something worse planned than he openly fantasizes over-- might take steps to amend the situation he did so much to create.

It's his meds to clean up, really. He really ought to shuffle to it before Orange Jesus puts him, Coco Chow, and everyone he cares about in Rikers.

*his mess

Turtle is too weak.

I'm good with McTurtle being jailed or hauled in front of a Trump tribunal.

Why is Dump intentionally adding fuel to the fire? What's his motive? Don't trust him just being Donald. Is he trying other Repugs from speaking out? What else is he up to with this?

[quote]Why is Dump intentionally adding fuel to the fire?

The sadistic fascist bully smells blood and feels free to let out yet more of his gruesome fantasies. Entitled lawlessness has always been his MO. The Supreme Court's enabling, Biden's failure and good polling take him nearer to expected Kingship.

Obviously now sexually impotent, dreams of unlimited vindictive performative power drive Trump totally. It'll be a dark irony if his former disgusting sexual activities within the Epstein ambit finally bring him down. As always, we can but fervently hope.

That would be quite Shakespearean, r331.

Speaking of which, we know Melania is not sleeping with him, probably for over a decade. I wonder if any woman have touched him since then? Prostitutes? Or is that why he spends all day hate jerking to Biden.

[quote]Fortunately, [R212], Alaskans vote Republican.

R213, what you're not getting your head around is that that is only relevant if voting exists. Once Trump wins, there won't be any more, or at least, if there is it will look like it does in Russia. Hell, it was already starting to look that way with the moves the GOP was making in the last election.

So he can displease whoever he likes, wherever he likes, for personal gain. Since the Supreme Court has declared he's the justice system's lord and saviour and there won't be anything you recognise as voting, nobody can stop him except the other gangsters he works with. They will if they feel like it, but only to get their own paws in the trough.

That's the one thing Trump isn't thinking about. Once nobody can stop you or the forces standing behind you, unless you're a key strategic brain you're disposable. These are ruthless people.

insanity

Trump and MAGA are the vehicle the hardcore conservatives are using to gain power, because they can’t get it through elections. Going public with this is a sign that, rightly or not, they are extremely confident..

R333 Melania knew she had to get pregnant to keep him. I bet it was the one time.

[quote] Speaking of which, we know Melania is not sleeping with him, probably for over a decade.

So not as long a time as the Clintons, eh?