I fucking LOATHE Trump, but..

So... if not Biden then who and how OP?

Op.

You are going to retreat giving me another thread in which to post this.

R1 No earthly idea.

I think you're right and this is a reasonable post. But you'll be called a troll and told to fuck off.

I'm sick of the people gaslighting us, telling us Biden's just fine. He's clearly not. He did what he had to do in 2020 but it's time to move on.

They're the only ones who could beat each other.

I have no doubt win or lose Biden will pardon his son after the election.

So, r6? What now? Vote Jill Stein?

No. Trump. Ever.

Dems on DL tonite.

"...his poor son"

We don't live in an alternate reality, r9.

Romney “trounced” Obama first debate 2012 - Who became President?

I liked what Gavin Newsom said: You dance with the one who brung you

No Trump and No Trumpanzees, I'm fine with Joe but if he wants out then Kamala and Newsom are fine too.

R13 But Obama didn't appear to be mentally incapacitated.

And Romney wasn't insane.

Both candidates need to be replaced.

Hunter Biden received a fair trial, OP.

R10 yes,his poor son-AND THAT BEAUTIFUL DICK!

But they won't be replaced, so we may as well just deal with them. We're in exactly the same place we were before the debate.

We're supporting President Biden, we're defeating Donald Trump, same-old same-old.

As ever, nobody gives a shit about Hunter Biden.

R20 Why do you get hot for trash?

This debate shouldn’t surprise anyone certainly doesn’t surprise me and I’m 4-Biden

Biden will rebound in more natural settings. He’s not going away. He’s a fighter. If he and his family decide he should step down, that’s their decision. Otherwise, support the party, support the candidates, vote blue.

Tonight doesn’t change anything. It just amplifies an existing narrative.

NEWSFLASH: Turns out Joe Biden isn’t a Marvel superhero after all.

Is anyone surprised? And Trump kept up a steady stream of bullshit.

Just ignore the media and social media for a few days, let everyone get it out of their system.

[quote]He should've stuck to the original plan- 4 years and out.

Didn't he say that he was going to be a transitional president? This transition will take 8 years.

It’s Trump Vrs Democracy But if Trump wins Trumpers will get what they deserve.

R21 I know they won't be replaced but I'm all for someone younger. I'm talking even sixties.

[quote] Biden will rebound in more natural settings.

You mean like a hospice?

[quote]He’s not going away.

He is. And soon.

I thought the debate format was brilliant and said so here, and boy, was I wrong. Seeing Biden work the crowd at that little watch party and I realized he draws almost as much energy from a crowd as Trump does.

The response also shows how uncomfortable Americans are with aging, generally. They’re like, “Oooo, old age!”

Ronald Reagan wasn’t exactly compos mentis for his 2nd term, nobody seemed to mind then. I’ve always had a theory that Dick Cheney was President for the entire Bush presidency - which is pretty much backed up by George’s interest in water colours post-presidency with zero interest in politics or defending his own policies.

I wish Joe had pulled it out tonight, I really thought he would for the sake of avoiding this response. But I’m sure he’ll have plenty of good days ahead. It was a fucking debate, ffs. They all suck.

Yes, R31. We know. So much detailed evidence. Never enough space. We get it.

[quote]But I’m sure he’ll have plenty of good days ahead.

R31, you're a lying sack of shit and a very obvious lying sack of shit. Go away.

Some Trumpers say their “Savior” doesn’t come in a perfect package and we have to say the same. Our candidate is deeply flawed but democratic.

Trump is cruel.

Biden should have said no debates with a convicted felon-TheEnd! No more debates after tonight-OMG

TRUMP IS CRUEL?-TRUMP IS THE SAVIOR OF MORE THAN HALF THIS COUNTRY!!-and I’m 4 Biden

Yes R40, I’m sure you’ll think he’s very kind when they round you up for your noose fitting.

[quote]TRUMP IS THE SAVIOR OF MORE THAN HALF THIS COUNTRY!!

Sure, Jan.

R11 Yet here you are running like hysterical drag queens ready to jettison your candidate after only one media event. Dems are spineless whimps. Repugs use you as cumrags because you let them. That's your 'reality" hun.

"When Biden won in 2020, in the electoral college is was shockingly close"

LOL, no it wasn't. He received over 300 electoral votes

It was not close with the final tally but 40,000 votes in three states would have flipped the election to Trump.

Biden's EC victory was greater than Trump's over Hillary and that was a landslide according to Trump.

"Retribution!" That should be a turnoff to everyone. This guy is such bad news, maybe mommy didn't love him enough.

[quote] Biden will rebound in more natural settings. He’s not going away. He’s a fighter.

Biden used to be sharp and energetic all the time. Now, he has his good days (like the State of the Union address) and his bad days (like tonight's debate). We can't spend the next 4 months always holding our breath, unsure whether Biden will have a good day or a bad day. This may be the most important presidential election ever, and we need a fighter who can bring their A game every day, not just 50% of the time.

R48 EVERYDAY with Trump is a bad day. What part of that don't you get dolt?

Biden's raising tons of money since the debate. Biden is old, Trump is evil.

[quote] EVERYDAY with Trump is a bad day. What part of that don't you get dolt?

Of course every day with Trump is a bad day. (I never said otherwise.) Trump is pure evil. We all know that. But like it or not, Biden and Trump are tied, and all of the recent polls show Trump leading in most of the swing states. To win in November, we need someone who can fight like hell each and every day to beat Trump, not someone who is fine one day and off their game the next. I hope Biden still has it in him to be that fighter every day from now until November, but tonight's debate gave me serious reasons to doubt it.

If the Democratic Party allows Joe Biden a graceful, respectful exit, full of gratitude for what he has done, and if Biden makes a speech for the ages, full of humility, hope and love of his country, his fellow Americans and democracy, a contested convention could really generate huge national, electoral interest and provide a lot of undecided, uninterested and concerned voters with a third choice representative of the future of our country that they can get behind. It could really galvanise interest and then provide a new Democratic candidate who can campaign full-time while Biden maintains his caretaker role, etc.

The new candidate would have the right to select their own VP but keeping Kamala Harris - should she not win the nomination at the convention - does provide a sense of handover and continuity between the two administrations.

And the best part?

Everyone can then look at the GOP and say, “Now it’s your turn.”

Suddenly they’re the ones trapped with an aged nominee, etc. Suddenly the contrast with Trump gets turned up to HIGH because Trump and the GOP won’t have had 6 or 7 (or 24 years) to smear the new candidate with disinformation, fake hearings, etc. Suddenly they actually have to make a case.

But it has to come from Biden and if given a little time, I suspect it will. I think a lot of Democrats thought the changing of the guard would come in 2028 but it’s probably best to do it now. Joe Biden was not enough of an egotist to run for President in 2016. He ran in 2020 because Trump made him sick and he’s done great things for the country. I think he’ll do what’s best for him as an elder statesman, for his country, for democracy and for his family. And he should definitely pardon Hunter on his way out. (If only so whomever follows him doesn’t have to do it - though I suspect the minute Biden stepped aside, MAGA would suddenly lose all interest in Hunter Biden.)

But people should give it time, let him come to his own conclusion. He should not be ridiculed and abandoned. He deserves our support and gratitude.

NEWSOME/HARRIS 2024

I couldn't bring my self to watch the debate (and glad now that I didn't), however: I'm old enough to remember Joe's presidential debates in his younger years and he's never been verbally dexterous. Also, the bar is different for both men: Trump has to not shit himself and just bluster and yell constantly, which he does and Biden has power through that. Not making excuses - if was going to run again, he should at least have a successor that readily take the reigns, which isn't Kamala & his son's conviction was no doubt a blow.

If I try to see the glass half full, maybe it will wake people up to the idea that a Trump presidency is not unrealistic and you should put down the #Free Palestine sign and think about how your own freedom will be impacted if Shitler takes power again.

I love Biden and think he’ll be considered one of our best presidents. I’ve been deeply troubled by his approval ratings and concerns about his age. Last night I actually prayed to God he’d do well in the debate. I’m vacationing in France and didn’t watch debate live. But woke to the headlines shortly after the debate ended.

At first I was terribly depressed but then I got excited. This actually gives us a chance to pump some life into our side. Joe should pull an LBJ and say it’s best for the country to step aside for another candidate.

I’m sure the Dems have gamed out a plan to install a new candidate. Hope so anyway.

Biden is a good, decent man who saved democracy. It’s sad to see him in this position but stepping aside will secure his place as a great president.

R52 - how can it be Newsome/Harris if they're both from the same state?

OP is kind of full of herself. It's all going to hell in hand basket and she knew everything.

If we lose Biden we lose: 1) Ukraine; 2) same-sex marriage and other LGBTQ rights; 3) solar and other green energies; 4) abortion rights; 5) electric vehcles; 6) climate change prevention; 7) NATO; 8) vaccinations; 9) 'Obamacare'; 10) democracy; 11) the Dept. of Education; 12) Trump's prosecutions; 13) Jan. 6th prosecutions... and several more places on the Supreme Court.

So well put R54. Totally agree. Also - lucky you in France.

This is why I didn't watch it. Biden has diminished since taking office. There's NO doubt about it. HOWEVER, that doesn't mean he's incapable especially with a good cabinet. For me, what it boils down to is...ANYTHING but Fuhrer Trump and the goddamned Heritage Foundation. So I don't care what kind of shape Biden is in.

That being said...I look forward to avoiding politics for the next 4 years.

It's one debate. One.

He's not stepping down so Kamala can step down so people can get the two younger white guys of their preference.

He's not. She's not. You're not.

Trump's not stepping down, even if Biden disappeared today. He's not. He won't.

You people need to suck it up. These are the candidates. This is reality, not fiction.

Vote Blue to retain everything you love or vote for something else for chaos and to lose everything.

Biden's association with- and Trump's psychotic loathing of- Barack Obama is Joe's magic talisman. African Americans trust him. Lots of Americans trust him to do the right thing.

Biden is the only candidate who can beat the Trump cult.

R60 We get it. We're voting Blue but it's not up to us, is it? Let's be honest. Trump only needs to win over the EC.

R60, perhaps you are the one who needs to face reality. Biden’s performance solidified criticism that he is too old. His chances of winning before tonight were iffy. He now faces an almost impossible task.

How do you suggest Biden recover? There is not another debate until September. There is no guarantee Biden will perform any better.

As a Biden supporter and donor in both elections cycles, I think Biden should drop out gracefully and soon. It’s not risk free, but it’s less risky than crossing your fingers and hoping. This is too serious.

Take your fear and your rage and do something productive with it.

Volunteer for Biden's campaign or a local Democrat's campaign. You don't have to donate $ to be doing something.

If you're worried, fight back. If you're afraid, find something you can do to help. If you're infuriated, take that energy and use it to help out the only people in our govt who give a damn about helping you keep your rights.

Plus, see you at the Trump sentencing on July 11th.

Oh thank you, r60. No one could ever think of actually doing work. Why do you assume that people are not doing that AND thinking Biden should step down?

Yeah, I see the suggestions on here, R63. That Biden and Kamala should both step aside for Ossoloff and Newsom. Or Ossoloff in a thong. Or Newsom and Trudeau in a sling. Or Ossoloff and Macron and Trudeau as a sweaty thruple.

It has nothing to do with just wanting to see hot guys running as President and vice president instead of an old guy and a black woman. To hell with all they've accomplished.

Acting like this is the end of everything instead of fighting with everything you have for this administration is why they have a 6-3 SCOTUS, R66.

Apologies to those who no longer have Twitter/X.

"Biden had our back, so let’s have his!"

What does Hillary say?

R50 =

🍊 🔫

[quote]Volunteer for Biden's campaign or a local Democrat's campaign. You don't have to donate $ to be doing something

Big emphasis on the OR here.

No, r68. RBG not stepping down and Hillary’s entitlement are why we have a 6-3 conservative majority in the Supreme Court.

R75 is deflecting for his cult leader.

Deflecting? I have voted a straight Democratic ticket for 30 years. I have given money, volunteered, and canvassed. What you don’t seem to understand is that many people want Biden to step down because they don’t want Trump to win.

Just ignore r76, he’s already bought the white converses and purple blanket.

I'm surprised to find myself in grieving mode. Not agitated, not panic. Grief.

The polling for this contest has been the most stable ever, compared to past cycles. And it appears neck and neck. And the past two elections featuring Trump showed us that the polls undercounted the Trump vote by around 3%. Fatal to Hillary in 2016, inconsequential in 2020 because Biden got the votes he needed. If you geek out on the data like I do, you know this.

Both men were in the fight of their political lives. One fighter showed up. The other came across elderly and weak. Transcripts mean nothing -- we have a freak political event where the 78 year old is the *younger* of the two candidates, and last night was 100% about optics.

We will need an unusual surprise event to change this, and we are not likely to receive one. There is an outside chance that Judge Merchan will actually sentence Trump to prison on July 11. There is a very slim chance that Trump himself could experience a major medical event between now and early voting in October.

But this is where we are.

If I could be granted omnipotence I'd pull Biden today and put Speaker of the House Hakeem Jeffries in his place. An absolutely superb, solid and persuasive political leader.

“Hillary’s entitlement” aka “she had the nerve to run for President”

Ditto, OP.

R1...that's the knee-jerk response. There is a host of Democratic, elected officials who can step in. All Biden has to do is announce that he will not seek a second term and use the remainder of his term concentrating on the crises in Gaza, Ukraine, and at the border.

Draft Josh Shapiro

p.s. pardon big gaffe at R79, I obviously meant Minority House Leader Hakeem Jeffries. He will become Speaker if we take the House in November -- and that's the one and only bright light here that seems within reach and even likely.

She was wildly unpopular and knew it. She had lost to an unknown. She would have been a great President if that’s what Americans elected.

Joe is playing the same game.

[quote] That Biden and Kamala should both step aside for Ossoloff and Newsom. Or Ossoloff in a thong. Or Newsom and Trudeau in a sling. Or Ossoloff and Macron and Trudeau as a sweaty thruple.

This is just so funny. Thanks for that, R67. 👏

[quote] If I could be granted omnipotence I'd pull Biden today and put Speaker of the House Hakeem Jeffries in his place. An absolutely superb, solid and persuasive political leader.

OMG! While waking up, still in bed, I had that same thought!

I deeply admire Jeffries.

UK Twitter trends right now include

1. Jill Biden

4. America

7. Dems

8. Kamala Harris

9. Michelle Obama

13. Gavin Newsom

It would fuckin’ terrify the MAGA party. It’s been pretty easy for them thus far.

Gavin's advice to you all.

"Gavin Newsome: "You don't turn your back because of one performance. What kind of party does that? This has been a master class. 15.6 million new jobs, that's 8 times more than the last three Republicans Presidents combined, The only thing the last three Republicans have in common is recessions.

Democrats have delivered.

This President has delivered.

We need to deliver for HIM""

“The President had an off night so I’m now voting for the convicted felon.”

- said no rational person ever.

The ENTIRE party needs to deliver for the country. It’s not just about one man. We can’t let it be.

Over 220 lies.

"Why is everyone talking about Biden's voice without mentioning that Trump didn't say a single true thing in the entire debate?"

"A Real Political Pundit in the Year of Our Lord, 2024: A bad debate performance is disqualifying for being president but 34 felony convictions is not.

Guys, get a fucking grip."

WOW, R69! I fucking LOVE that! The Biden campaign needs to post that clip everywhere. Thanks for that.

[quote]"Why is everyone talking about Biden's voice without mentioning that Trump didn't say a single true thing in the entire debate?"

The pundits who are talking about Biden's weak performance are also discussing Trump's lies.

Both things can be true.

R92 That's the way I see it as well. Joe Biden did have an off night. Even when he was saying the right words he was delivering the answers quietly. Trump's loud rambunctious manner of speaking made it seem weak by comparison. Trump however must have said at least 150 bald faced lies.

It took the fact-checked three minutes to list the lies.

His name isn’t Gavin Newsome, troll.

Gravity, Aging & Time remain undefeated. Relentlessness is their superpower.

The problem with Biden's "off night" is that he's 81 and those "off nights" aren't going to reverse in occurrence, they're going to increase going forward.

I admire the hell out of Mighty Joe.

He led us in 2020 in advancing against Trump, his voters and a certain demise of the USA, when he won the election.

But now, Biden has to make retreat as a great a feat as advancing.

Now he has to retreat ; hand the reins over to another combat general.

Save us again, Joe.

We must remember that Trump is an actor. He learns his lines very well. What he said last night he may not actually believe, nor remember tomorrow. He has been a Con Man all his life and is, once again, conning America!

Biden is a career politician. He knows the game, and the International audience. Sure, without his notes the buffoon across the stage may have distracted him. That doesn't mean he doesn't have the ability to perform.

Don't let the TV actor confuse you, keep your faith in the proven politician.

Here's some of the bizarre shit Trump said that's been overlooked:

[quote] It took the fact-checked three minutes to list the lies.

I’m surprised the Republicans don’t call them embellishments as a way to diminish them. I think Americans are used to Trump saying everything is the biggest ever, best ever, worst ever, etc., so marking them as lies doesn’t have much impact.

Fact check: TRUE

"If y’all valued debates, Hillary Clinton would be president. She ATE HIM UP every debate. Every single one.

And look what happened. Y’all are gonna feel how y’all feel regardless."

One night in almost four years, including that SOTU that blew everyone away, and some people are ready to throw him into the home.

Weak.

And I don't mean Joe Biden.

People will vote for Biden. Magas will be upset.

Biden wins. Because just like you, the majority will still prefer a slightly senile old man surrounded by Democrat team of handlers over Trump.

A relevant bit from CNN this morning:

"An 81% majority of registered voters who watched the debate say it had no effect on their choice for president, with another 14% saying that it made them reconsider but didn’t change their mind. Just 5% say it changed their minds about whom to vote for."

That sounds about right. But the thing is, in a race this tight, losing just 2% or 3% of your support is lethal. In terms of competitiveness and simple electoral data, this is Bush vs Gore 2000 all over again.

Hopefully this debate will have no long lasting effect on voters' inclinations. But we don't just need to stay in place, we need Biden to pull ahead. It's nearly July. Early voting starts in just 15 weeks.

[quote] Hopefully this debate will have no long lasting effect on voters' inclinations.

Yes, the increasingly worse, cognitive decline related gaffes by Biden from now until Election Day will hopefully each not have a long lasting impact.

I love Biden to pieces. But this is more than 1 bad night. He knew—and everyone else knew—how vital it was for him to be, well, vital. We put all of our chips on the table for this debate.

And we lost.

If Biden remains in the race, of course most of us will still vote for him. But he can’t afford to lose any votes. And he did last night.

As much as I love Joe, I’m much more terrified of a 2nd Trump reign. A new candidate—an exciting young one—will pump much needed life/energy into the race and we can put a stake in that monster’s heart once and for all.

Up until this point, I wasn’t too worried about Joe’s chances. But the main argument against him from swing states is his age. And he reinforced that concern last night. If he knows he can’t defeat Trump after last night, he’ll do the right thing and step aside. And we’ll all rally around his decision and support the new candidate.

After being terribly depressed last night, I’m actually excited at the prospect of a younger candidate—one who can get kids/minorities energized.

R105

r75, no, the reason w have a 6-3 Supreme Court is because of Trump, McConnell, Leo and Crow.

The corruption of the SC has been happening since Bush v Gore.

R107 I'm mostly with you but "we'll all rally around and support the new candidate" belies how complex and chaotic and fractious such a process would likely be. It's not a wave-a-wand kinda thing.

It would have to happen FAST if it is to happen at all. To even appear on all 50 states' ballots the candidate needs to be certified by the party by the first or second week of August. That is BEFORE the DNC Convention. The Dems have been planning to procedurally nominate Biden in time for the balloting issue, before the Convention, and then do the ceremonial nomination at Convention.

Those of us talking about replacing Biden are talking about an unprecedented process where it all would need to happen virtually vs in person. And within the next month. All while the other side is passionately unified behind their GOP nominee.

nearly NO one I know watched the debate wondering who they would vote for.

It’s the people you don’t know who are going to decide this election, r111.

The relatively small number of swing voters in the swing states will decide the election. All the steadfast Democratic voters in the blue states (and the red states) pledging their loyalty this morning make no difference,

Yes Biden was a disaster but Trump failed as well. Most independents find him repulsive.

Democracia have to point out and stress this two things that trump mentioned.

1) he gets along well with Putin

2) he will fire and jail federal workers at his own whim.

Dictator in the making.

[quote]It would have to happen FAST if it is to happen at all.

Why the fuck do you think they moved the debate to a Thursday with a Sunday being the month-end and also the end of a fundraising quarter. God some of you need to get naked to count to 21.

[quote] We must remember that Trump is an actor.

😂

[quote] Yes Biden was a disaster but Trump failed as well. Most independents find him repulsive.

No, they don’t which is why he is winning them.

[quote] nearly NO one I know watched the debate

All two people you know.

You either support Biden, or live in a fascist county. Please research Project 2025.

But what if we support Biden and he still loses anyway? R121

R121, that is a very real possibility. But if you really take a look at what replacing Biden would mean -- how would it even happen? Who would be the replacement? -- it's likely to be even more of a disaster. Today, Biden said No point blank when asked, so all of this is (for now) in the hypothetical realm.

Your "what if..." is all we've got.

[quote] how would it even happen?

Biden steps down, declines the nomination at the convention, and a new candidate is chosen on subsequent ballots.

[quote] Who would be the replacement?

The replacement has been chosen for you from a pile of replacements.

[quote] it's likely to be even more of a disaster.

Tough tits.

Joe Biden is basically a vegetable and keeping him in office is criminal. The idea that this man could act quickly regarding serious decision making should have been in doubt already, but cannot be ignored now. I wonder if anyone is considering RFK Jr. as the possible replacement? None of the other options being discussed seem especially realistic to me. Michelle Obama? I seriously doubt it.

So, do you want the old Democrat, or the fascist?

Focus, people, focus.

[quote]Joe Biden is basically a vegetable and keeping him in office is criminal.

LoL, r126..."criminal"? Ironic choice of words, troll.

Joe is fine. He sends his love.

R83 She won the popular vote, dude. By A LOT.

But did she win the presidency? She wasn’t popular with the right people and never was. Her negative ratings going into the election were historically high, only slightly below Trump.

Biden’s popular vote margin was double, and 40,000 votes would have lost him the electoral college.

I was for her, enthusiastically. But you know what is more important? Keeping these motherfucking Republicans out of power.

R128 I'm pretty sure they were referring to this which is indeed a crime

R128 Yes, keeping a senile man in the Presidency is criminal in most senses of that word, at the very least in that it is irresponsible and wrong to do.

Well he is appearing in North Carolina and is definitely energetic, more like the SOTU speech. I think what happened was a combination of bad strategy (they wanted him to appear presidential and low key) and illness. R133, he’s not senile, so just stop.

R126: I don't think he's senile, but a combination of his known stutter and not feeling well. Most of the time last night he was fine, if not a bit hoarse, but no denying he made a bad first impression from which he never really recovered (yes, there were a couple of times he trailed off later, I realize that).

Biden's cognitive decline has been apparent for quite awhile. He is clearly not up to the task of presidency. I said this on The DL a few weeks ago and got, of course, lambasted for saying the truth. The democratic machine has really fucked up letting this terrible situation get so far, ignoring the truth for so long and actually lying about it. The have acted grossly irresponsibly.

R134 Yet a lot of people still, to this day, claim Reagan was senile in office and should have been removed. But I don't recall Regan publicly having these kind of "episodes" like Biden. The hypocrisy around this with Biden, now, is astounding. I loathe the 2 party system and how everyone clings ridiculously to their party of choice at all costs. We cannot and should not have a president who is not mentally sound, regardless of the party one supports.

A very cynical person would opine that the idea is that he's a stronger candidate than the veep, so he'd be pressured to step down early in second term for a non-white female president to be sworn in for nearly a full term.

R134 you know how sometimes when an athlete loses a big match, a criminal is arrested or a cheating spouse is caught in a lie is exposed, they become relieved and are oddly relaxed?

Reagan never let himself appear in public to where he could be vulnerable. He was “handled” the moment he got up until he went to bed. Joe appears to be his own man.

r140

R140 Joe is being led off stage by Jill and others as if he can't be trusted to walk on his own without some kind of embarrassing episode happening. Why is this something to be defended?

I think Biden is up to the task of making decisions as president, but he's not up to the task of communicating his decisions and his vision for the country to the public. He used to be a strong communicator, but now he's a mess -- good one day, terrible the next. His voice is weak and halting, he's constantly clearing his throat, and he loses his train of thought. With Trump being a threat to democracy and having a slight edge in recent polls, we absolutely need someone who can effectively articulate the case against Trump every day for the next four months in a clear and commanding way that resonates with voters. We can't hold our breath every day and pray that today will be one of Biden's "good days."

Supposedly Biden had a cold. If that's true, did he take something for it that makes him somewhat drowsy? I know when I take cold medication, I seem noticeably off to my coworkers.

I am certain that Biden is not making presidential decisions, especially important ones, and has not for a few months now.

turmp should not RUN

The time to have suggested different democratic presidential candidates was at least 12 months ago. With less that 4 1/2 months to go, nominating anybody else at this place in time will guarantee a Trump victory in November. Biden has performed stellar for these 3 1/2 years, and it would be a folly to amplify to Biden is incompetent, when Trump is significantly less competent for the presidency.

Biden has not performed stellarly. Even before last night, his re-election was far from certain because he has fucked up on major issues. I wish I had the capacity to live in profound denial of reality. It must be a happy place.

What's strange is Trump finally had the advantage to look dignified, intelligent, compassionate and competent- and he wasted it on lies and snark. So much of his 'success' (daddy's will, The Apprentice, Vornado, Truth Social...) he just accidentally fell into. Not this time.

[quote]African Americans trust him.

I'm Joe Biden and I forgot this message.

Bitches please

I actually didn’t think Trump would be nominated again. But I also miscalculated how much support Trump would still have amongst the general population. 4 years ago I thought it would be 2 brand new candidates.

Joe Biden did have a bad debate. While it was likely to be over-prepped, tired,or that he he had a cold and sore throat and took a cold medication, it still gave bad optics.

However, Trump did not say anything that was not a lie the entire debate. He has been convicted of 34 felonies. He was convicted of raper. He was found guilty of business fraud. He attempted a coup. He tried to subvert and fair election with 5 different states.

But people, primarily in the media, are voicing their opinion that Biden should be the one of the tow to drop out of the campaign for president.

[quote]I actually didn’t think Trump would be nominated again. But I also miscalculated how much support Trump would still have amongst the general population. 4 years ago I thought it would be 2 brand new candidates.

Make of this what you will, but my Fox News loving elderly dad initially wanted other candidates (I was shocked when he said he actually supported Nikki Hailey). But the right wing echo chamber just drowned out everyone else & I think his trial made him some kind of MAGA martyr. Plus, he hates Joe Biden & supports anyone who isn't Joe. So after this episode, I'm sort of hoping for a change (but god help us, not Kamala or Gavin) in that they've vilified Joe for so long, it will take a while (though they'll do it) to build up the hate against someone else.

Does your dad have over $150K income a year or 15 million in assets/cash?

If Black folks don't stop playing talking about "What does "Black jobs" mean?" The FUCK you think it means...

Picking Plantation cotton as 3/5ths of a person.

My last of northeastern moderate registered Rs mom voted for Trump in FL 2016, anti-Hillary naively hoping Trump administration would at least vaguely resemble something normal. Horrified at what she got, voted Biden in 2020. Said a while back "I'd vote for Harris (whom she dislikes) to stop a Trump comeback." I asked again yesterday about politics, "I don't want to vote for either!"

r156, black folks know WELL what it means, and frankly it's ridiculous.

R131 Who said that she did? You posted that she wasn't popular. You're mistaken. dude.