Jillian Michaels leaves "too woke" California

She’s been a nut job for a while.

Murdoch NY Post links give clickdollars and SEO to people who hate gays.

Nothing she said is untrue, though.

Who??

Enjoy the 12th century fascist swamp called Floriduh, skank. Lol & smfh.

So, girlfriend has decided to flee regulations, wokism and pronouns to drown in the swamp formerly known as Miami?

Who?

Yeah -- she probably got a real shock when she moved to DeSatan's back yard.

Who?

[quote] I’m a gay woman

Don’t say that. You can say the woman part, but not the gay part.

How does she have a black son who's half-Latin?

[quote]protecting our kids

You mean like requiring them to attend school? Requiring them to be vaccinated? Requiring them to meet certain standards of performance in order to graduate?

I ask these questions specifically because the ultra-right MAGA loons want to deny EVERYONE the ability to "protect our kids" in the very, very few ways we have historically been able to put these absolutely minimal protections in place.

This is not a wacky liberal Californian issue. This is an issue with the people who simply think the rules apply only and exclusively to others. This crazy bitch even admits as much when she says she's on board with everything the liberals have fought for and obtained (like legalization of sex work, decriminalization of marijuana) but, apparently, only for [italic]her[/italic] as she proves immediately by saying "but we’re not regulating any of it." Well. duh. That's the point of decriminalization. She wants her personal freedom to do whatever she wants, but everyone else has to be subject to regulation. Got it.

I'll tell you why she left California: she couldn't make the grade. And now she's butt-hurt that Californians aren't kissing her fat ass and begging her to stay or come back, instead (and you can all join in with me here) bidding her a hale and hearty adios, good luck and don't let the door hit you on the ass as she takes her crotchfruit to Florida in hopes of fitting in there.

Next up, she'll be whining about how Florida was awful but she sold her beautiful home in California and can now only afford a shack in Temcula.

[quote]How does she have a black son who's half-Latin?

By a Black Latino man, Rose? Or, if adopted, one parent was American Black and the other Latino.

Latinos range in skincolor from milk bottle white to ebony.

SMFH

Defacto’s long, lonely weekends start very early

Her statements are perfectly sensible. And many share those concerns over what people like Scott Weiner have been doing to the state.

This is what I don't understand. I get it, some of the (for lack of a better word) "woke" stuff can be annoying and head scratching, but is it anymore annoying and head scratching than the stuff that's happening over on the other side?

Sometimes California goes over the top, but your answer to that is to move to Florida? They're not over the top there? C'mon girl.

It all just seems (as the kids say) sus.

Wait till she gets flooded or discovers it's expensive to actually live there.

Whether you like or not she’s calling out facts. California keeps passing legislation without any real care for the ramifications.

Exactly, r18. Moving to FL is just as nuts though.

[Quote] but is it anymore annoying and head scratching than the stuff that's happening over on the other side?

Angry rightwinger: “this new Star Wars show is so WOKE! They have RUINED the franchise!!!”

Also angry rightwinger — attacks government building because his douchebag candidate lost the election, tries to kidnap congresspeople, murders several police in the process

DeFucktard and his flying monkeys (fascist socks) have arrived.. Oh joy.

R19 agreed! Florida is just as whacked out. My question is though how is California able to push most of these bills through? I’ve seen some outrageous bills get the green light in the past few years. People in CA are liberal but I feel the majority of the population there are moderates not extremists.

Most people who move from CA do it for COL reasons, but wrap it up in a “CA too woke” package to save face.

Florida has nothing to do with her reasoning. Florida sucks. But that in no way means California isn't too woke and a horrible place to live. If you want to debate stick to the argument.

CA has gone too far left and it is way too expensive. My best friend wants me to move to Ocean Springs MS where I could get free rent in a big house. But Mississippi. Ocean Springs is pretty. I'm considering it but it will be a huge culture shock. I'm an old woman on SS and very much alone here in Northern CA. MS would be much cheaper but I don't know if I can handle the hurricanes and the bless your hearts and the humidity. My friend is from CA but her husband (now dead) was transferred there in the mid-90s.

"C-ya, cunt! Buh-bye now!"

She's not wrong in her statements. But if she thinks living in Florida will be friendly to a lesbian mother / couple with mixed race kids, good luck honey.

Moved from LA to Miami is like moving from the frying pan to the fire. Maybe after she's carjacked, raped, and left for dead on the mean streets of Miami she'll wish she had stayed in woke LA.

She would get that in LA too. All big cities are full of crime. SF is the carjacking capital of the country.

[quote]Whether you like or not she’s calling out facts. California keeps passing legislation without any real care for the ramifications.

Examples, r18?

[quote]But that in no way means California isn't too woke and a horrible place to live.

LoL, r24, far from it.

r24 is also:

*Supreme Court overturns ban on bump stocks*

[quote]R5 I honestly believe we are already doomed. Our country is swirling the drain. We won't see anything improve in our lifetimes.

*Trump can't win*

[quote]Funny, half say he can't win and half the country says he already won. Bahahaha. This country is swirling the drain.

Your pessimism is duly noted, r24, and we will all just give up now.

The difference between the left in California and the right in Florida is that the former is reining in their nuts while there's no sign of that happening yet in Florida.

The extreme left in California can't even hold on to school board seats, let alone the DA's office.

And as for cost of living, Miami has got ridiculously expensive since 2020.

Rates are everywhere, but their market went particularly crazy, plus they have issues with insurance and condo maintenance charges.

Same costs with worse weather, worse politics, and way, way way worse people. Doesn't sound like a win to me.

I hadn't heard about her in years. What exactly has she been doing since Biggest Loser went off the air? She probably means everything she says but for like so many others, it's publicity for her.

R31 Oh, it's a beautiful state. Amazingly so. But it has been ruined by people. I just left after 10 years. Last place was Laguna Beach. Made a fortune on the house I sold. Taxes were killing us. I don't need to go into the traffic. The cost of living. The crime. I would NEVER live in Florida. But California has a problem they need to solve now.

The median home prices in California have shown a steady increase over the years, with the median price reaching $834,740 in 2023 and estimated to rise further to $859,800 in 2024 according to data from the California Association of Realtors.

And average salary is a bit over 80K.

It is a state for the wealthy or those that never want home ownership. Nope. Horrible place to live.

Keep trolling, r33.

R32 I think most people gave up a long time ago, doll. Glad you can still hold on to your optimism though. Hopefully that energy will spread. Please tell me the things that make you feel good about where the country is heading. I'd love to have more positive things to say.

R33, I also think that the centrist movement in California is much bigger than people know. I think things like the smash and grab, homeless situations and the campus protests have really made some inroads in even some highly liberal areas in Los Angeles. Now, they're not going to go for Trump the way many, many, many in California do but the concept of Democratic Socialists and Progressive politics is being questioned. We will see if the next elections bear that out. The mayor in LA, Karen Bass won by appealing to that very core.

in Florida its LITERALLY ILLEGAL for her kids school libraries to have... books ffs... that include characters who are gay parents similar to their mom.

But [bold]Jillian thinks she's "one of the good ones" in right winger eyes[/bold] so there's no way the leopards-would-eat-her-face.... but the certainly will

[quote] My friend is from CA but her husband (now dead) was transferred there in the mid-90s.

That’s why she wants you to move there. She’s lonely, My aunt did same thing to my mother. Aunt Mary moved to a creepy town in central FL because her husband demanded they move because NY was too liberal. So Mary moved to a town where her former neighbor moved. Former neighbor’s daughter was LPN and had moved to FL because she couldn’t get job in NY. Some godforsaken FL hospital hired her. So my aunt buys house on same block as former neighbir and they hang out together every day.

One day, former neighbor woke up to her husband lying cold & stiff in bed. Neighbor picks up phone, calls son and says “I’m never spending another night in this house,” Neighbor's daughter had in meantime moved to different town. So neighbor never returns to her house and moves to different town. Now my aunt starts telling my mother there are empty lots on her block going for very little money. “Come down! Buy a house! You’re lonely (my father had died) and it will be great for you to have me for company.”

Three months later aunt gets phone call. Former neighbor is dead. She had cancer but never told my aunt or anyone outside her family that she was ill. Now aunt turns up the heat on mom. “We can go shopping together! We can go for walks every day. You’ll lose weight. You can come to my house for dinner…I make low fat food.”

Mother sells house in NY, moves down to FL hellhole. My aunt’s husband didn’t like my mother. He’s a genuine Nazi. He forbids my mother in their house except after dinner. She can come over for coffee, watch Jeopardy and Wheel, then she has to go home.

My aunt can’t go shopping with mom because aunt has to be home to fix breakfast, lunch, and dinner for her husband whenever he commands. She can’t leave a sandwich in fridge for him because he wants hot meals only. And he refuses to use a microwave to heat food up because it’s evil newfangled thing that’s going to poison him with radiation. “My bride will make my meals.”

Meanwhile, two of my aunt’s sons move to FL and hang out at aunt’s house every day (they take no shit from aunt’s husband) while mom sits alone.

Mom called every week crying about how lonely she was. She couldn’t afford to move back to NY.

Your friend wants you down there because she wants your company. But what happens when you haven’t heard from your friend, you go to her place and find she’s a stiffie? Who will be your friend? The only place you can meet others is at a church.

[quote]Now, they're not going to go for Trump the way many, many, many in California do

I'll say this for you, r38, you're proudly retarted. Many, many, many people are saying.

The "woke" boogeyman only exists on right-wing news media. I can't believe people are still going on about this.

"Sage Steele" is a good porn star name.

R41, you've never been to Central California. You know, the home of Marco Rubio. Go driving through Bakersfield to Fresno and you'll see so many Trump signs, you'll think you're in the Deep South.

Woke is in the same verbiage dumpsterfire as “””PC”””

What's funny is people get pissy when people talk about leaving a big state like California, in between complaining about how fucking crowded it is. So much seems to be about too many fucking people, and getting a bunch of people to leave seems like it could only help. But of course everyone has to get defensive and idiotic about it. They should stop that.

Start holding parades for everybody willing to leave the state and give a little more room to everyone else. Send this bitch a fruit basket and a sayonara card.

R40 my situation is a bit different. She is lonely but I an also very much alone with no family or kids or friends. She has been my best friend for 40 years now. I am 74 and not in great health. I kept telling her that and that I could become a burden to her. She is 70. She has kids and grandkids that live close by and I have known her kids since they were born. Her son doesn't want her living alone and I probably shouldn't be living alone. I have almost fallen a few times. I would be living in the house with her and she said I would have my own bathroom and bedroom. But I am still leary about doing it. I read Ocean Springs is a quiet beach town retirement community that isn't as steeped in religion. A lot of people retire there from other places. Right now I am living in a tiny shithole of an apt. It is a single that is probably no more than 150 sqft and it is $850 a month. It takes up too much of my SS. Free-rent sounds heavenly. Her house is paid off.

Excuse me, but isn’t this woman’s only claim to fame that she was complicit in unhealthily starving contestants of TV show?

[quote]This is what I don't understand. I get it, some of the (for lack of a better word) "woke" stuff can be annoying and head scratching, but is it anymore annoying and head scratching than the stuff that's happening over on the other side?

Exactly. California is banning plastic bags from supermarkets, but Texas is forbidding women from traveling to get an abortion in another state. I can work with one, but not the other.

Honestly, given what you say about your situation r47, it sounds like you should seriously consider it.

For me, I'd be primarily interested in the whole booze situation. Ain't moving to no fucking dry county, and sure as hell ain't putting up with a bunch of god botherers stone cold sober.

But YMMV, as they say. And overall, it sounds like you pretty much hate where you are, so may as well try there.

The only problem I can see with the situation, R47, is if your friend dies, her kids will sell the house. If you die first it’s a very good deal. If you don’t….its Medicaid time (nursing home). Do they have Medicaid in MS? Some off5hise red states limit Medicaid.

Good riddance. Jillian Michaels has an self-aggrandizing, overblown, self-righteous, sanctimonious sense of self-importance.

[quote]you've never been to Central California. You know, the home of Marco Rubio.

LoL, r44

I have already thought about the fact she could die before me. Her family is long lived but you never know. Rents are much cheaper in MS so I would have to move into an APT but I probably could afford it more there. I am on Medical and they do have Medicaid there I already checked. If I stay in CA I would probably have to go into a nursing home anyway at some point. Newsom has cut off medical for tons of people and in my case, the insurance he replaced it with is so bad they cut off my breathing meds and gave some that are inferior. They took my nebulizer meds away and I have severe asthma, And there is no generic. I live in northern CA and the fires most years are making my asthma much worse Still, Mississippi? I don't know.

Ocean Springs is OK. That and Bay St. Louis are the only decent places on the coast, but BSL I think is more like The Villages. You could do worse.

Also r54:

*Trump can't win*

[quote]Biden was in France for Memorial Day and was standing with about 3 other people and for no apparent reason tried to sit down but there was no chair. He squatted for a moment and finally realized that there wasn't a chair behind him. He almost fell on his ass. He also appeared confused a lot. He fell asleep during speeches. He is so out of it.

Our gain is Florida's loss.

R55 I watched videos where people drive around with cameras and the OS Is really beautiful. I know she is lonely her husband died 3 years ago and her mother died very recently. We do get along very well. We both need a lot of space and we make each other laugh all the time. She is a great wit. I miss her terribly. I am not going until Nov. During a routine checkup they found a mass in my uterus so I can't go until I get a biopsy that is scheduled for later this month. And I'm not going in the summer. I think I want to wait until after hurricane season.

I clicked on the NYPost and my mussy fell out onto the floor.

When you go in November, can you spend a month or so and really get a feel for it?

Bay St. Louis (near Ocean Springs) has an artsy but very small downtown with lots of gays and lesbians. If you have health problems, though, you should thoroughly investigate the medical sitch down there compared to where you are now. Medicare/Medicaid is fine but you should know the hospital system in coastal Miss.

I know, I am checking out the medical situation before I go that is the thing I'm most worried about. I don't take many meds. Just blood pressure COPD and asthma meds. I think I have Congestive heart failure. I haven't been diagnosed. I don't want to live to be too old because I never want to go into a nursing home. I will refuse any cancer treatment or surgery. My other biggest worry is I have to have some kind of understanding with her son If she were to die first. Her mother just left her a shit-ton of money she told me she doesn't know what to do with it all. She will have to tell her son to get me a small granny house to fit in his very large backyard.

This article is outdated. I listen to Jill's podcast (she's helped me to lose over 100 lbs).

She no longer lives in Florida. Now she's in Jacksonville with a place in Florida and a rental in LA.

Her daughter is black (she adopted her from Haiti). Her son is half latino because the sperm donor was latino and Heidi, her ex is white.

She HATES Gavin Newsome because he's too woke for her, which I totally understand.

She is smart about nutrition/weight loss but not too bright when it comes to personal decisions. I knew the minute she talked about adopting her daughter and wanting kids that her relationship was doomed. She was not happy after having the kids, although she loves them. It completely changed her life which anyone with half a brain could tell you would happen. She and Heidi broke up within a year or two of the kids coming along. Now she shares custody so her time is split between CA and Jacksonville. Her kids are much older now but they go to public school in LA and she recently talked about how her 14 year old daughter came home talking about how much America sucks because she had learned about the Japanese internment camps during WWII. She got pissed because she said, "You are not going to teach my daughter to hate America" which is what is happening now in schools with the woke teachers and she's correct. She told her daughter that no country is perfect but America is not inherently bad.

She is against the transing of kids with hormones because she knows the damage they can do. I respect her for speaking out on this issue because absolutely no one talks about how damaging it is to kids. She's also against Ozempic for weight loss because it can also do damage to your body and no one fucking talks about that. One doctor she called out about this had to retract his statement that they were safe after 60% of his patients on Ozempic ended up with pancreatitis.

She's right about a lot of things.

Sorry, I meant Jackson Hole, not Jacksonville.

Did you also mean NEWSOM instead of Newsome?

So her kid had to learn about one of America's imperfections, and that is just TOO WOKE for dingbats like her, and you r62. Got it.

[quote]she recently talked about how her 14 year old daughter came home talking about how much America sucks because she had learned about the Japanese internment camps during WWII. She got pissed because she said, "You are not going to teach my daughter to hate America" which is what is happening now in schools with the woke teachers

Yep, R62 - Learning actual American History is "woke." We need to stop teaching kids anything uncomfortable about America's History.... and no stuff about the gays either - they don't exist just like the internment camps

Also r58:

*Rachel Maddow fears becoming a Trump target*

[quote]I know what Project 2025 is but it doesn't mean that they can implement it. We have 3 branches of gov and roughly half are Democrats. So much TDS on here. I don't like Trump but will not go crazy again if he gets elected. I am too old to deal with all that emotional manipulation. He probably won't be a good president but neither will Biden. Biden might die or be too incapacitated to finish a term and we will be stuck with Harris.

Why you choose to engage with the troll is beyond me,

R62 I just read an article that said that woke teachers are teaching kids hamas is a peaceful resistance movement.

No, r65. Her daughter was really upset about the facts and Jillian had to tell her that America wasn't perfect because the teacher was lamenting how horrible America was. I agree with her that we are a flawed country but we're already seeing these Hamas loving Nazi screaming "Death to America" on our college campuses precisely because woke teachers are filling their heads with shit.

Sorry that bothers you, but it's the truth.

[quote]Maybe after she's carjacked, raped, and left for dead on the mean streets of Miami she'll wish she had stayed in woke LA.

And the vicious alligator will likely be acquitted, R28.

I hear dingbats think Trump is the new Messiah, and the second coming of Hitler, praise be, and people in Mississippi schools teach that as the God's Honest Truth, y'all!

Sorry if the truth hurts, but there it is.

r62 is also butthurt about Autograph shows.

*Come visit Kate Jackson at the Hollywood Show this Saturday!*

[quote]Never pay for an autograph or photo. I hate that this is what Hollywood has become.

Some of you are dingbats. All of the stuff she says is true? First - she only talks about 2 things - this nebulous decriminilazation of things - like what? Prostitution?

No it just de-criminalized loitering for prostitution. It's still an illegal business. How does this affect her? Prostitution is online now - she acts like it's the 1970s with hookers hanging out on the streets.

And NOBODY is forcing kids to take puberty blockers. What the hell is she even talking about?

She's always been an attention whore. No seriously. Some of you will remember Kathy Griffin had a holiday party - and Jilllian showed up uninvited. Kathy was like - wtf is this bitch doing here? TRYING TO GET ON CAMERA.

She's a an ugly, THIRSTY bitch who's claim to fame is...exercising?

[quote]SF is the carjacking capital of the country.

Nope, not even close:

[quote]The five cities with the highest year-over-year increases in motor vehicle theft between 2022 and 2023 were Rochester, New York; Baltimore; Buffalo, New York; Charlotte, North Carolina; and Cincinnati. The cities with the highest carjacking rates per 100,000 residents in 2023 were the District of Columbia; Baltimore; Memphis, Tennessee; Chicago; and Denver.

I'm no fan of San Francisco having lived there for 10 years and experiencing its problems first hand. There is no need to project anything else on what was once a beautiful city on the bay and is now buried under excrement, drugs and street crime, the latter of which is due to the police refusing to do their jobs because a liberal DA told them to follow the law (and got booted from office for saying it and then following through by not bringing prosecutions he couldn't win thanks to the police making egregious errors, but that's a rant for another thread).

And r72 loves the word "retarded" which he can't even spell.

Hillary Clinton Has Some Tough Words for Democrats and women You're proud to be retarted, aren't you, r102?

Oops, did I hit a nerve, r75?

LoL, retarted - sic

"woke victimology poker"

She sounds like a stupid asshole.

I’ve NEVER liked her.

[quote]Whether you like or not she’s calling out facts. California keeps passing legislation without any real care for the ramifications.

What facts? What legislation? California passing a ban on single-use plastic bags does not begin to compare with the laws they're passing in Florida, Louisiana, Mississippi and every red state regarding abortion, the content of books, access to healthcare and just basic Constitutional rights like the freedom to travel.

Nevertheless, here's an example of a well-meaning solution to a genuine problem gone awry: Riverside County Sherriff and former Proud Boy Chad Bianco, he who recently endorsed the felon for POTUS, screeches endlessly about the passage of Prop 47 which decreed that retail theft below $950 (or some weird threshold in that range) would not be prosecuted and rather devote the resources into treatment and rehabilitation (mostly because the vast majority of thefts below this threshold were attributable to drugs, addiction and homelessness). There was care for the ramifications within the referendum, but the plan to build shelters, treatment centers and hiring and training social workers for proper intervention takes time. Meanwhile, Sherriff Bianco gets on his high horse and immediately made it department policy to not [italic]arrest[/italic] anyone caught committing these petty crimes, saying there are no ramifications for the acts so there's no point.

So now we have the perfect conservative-caused crisis (petty criminals running rampant through stores stealing everything they can get their hands on! No accountability!) while there's still no alternative treatment in place or coming online very slowly. The error was that the referendum didn't have a timeline spelled out for the less-than-genius crowd to follow, telling Sherriff Bianco, for instance, to continue arresting people and following standard protocol until the treatment and rehabilitation mechanisms were in place. Nope, he got pissed off that anyone had the temerity to tell him, a public servant, how to do his public service job (for which he is extremely well compensated), and made the situation exponentially worse. So whose fault is it that retail theft in Riverside County has exploded: the liberal majority who passed a referendum to deal with the problem long term or the sherriffs who refuse to abide by the law in the short term?

And this is what this rancid cunt points to as rationale for leaving California. Too bad we can't convince Sherriff Bianco to marry her and ride off into the sunset someplace else (but no woman with an ounce of self respect would even date Chad, let alone tie herself to him for life).

Why, they're teaching about Japanese internment, right out in class!!! Or maybe they're interning the Japanese. Or something.

All I know is it's all very woke, and Trump is Jesus, and nobody is THINKING OF THE CHILDREN, and there's just no choice but to move to Mississippi and pray to God for the end times, cause dammit, they're already here!!!

[quote] Defacto’s long, lonely weekends start very early

What happened to the KatyBuscemi cosplay character? That was an instant soap opera!

She had a terrific 24 hours before disappearing.

[quote]but we’re not regulating any of it." Well. duh. That's the point of decriminalization.

r12 Huh? No. Alcohol is decriminalized but it's still regulated. Surely you know the difference between being completely illegal and being legal but regulated.

Everything this bitch said in OP's post is complete BS. She moved to Florida because she doesn't want to pay more in taxes, just like the rest of the deplorables that leave California for Texas, Florida, or Nevada.

Hope you bought a rowboat, hunny, 'cause Miami is underwater. Enjoy your deregulated state with no taxes. It'll work out nicely, I'm sure.

Of course I do, R82, but that's not what rancid cunt is saying, either. She knows that, as R73 said, we de-criminalized loitering for prostitution, but prostitution itself is still illegal and prostitutes still have to file taxes and abide by every other law out there. Rancid cunt just wants to point to a good thing liberals did towards solving a problem, and lay the entire problem and everything even tangentially related to it at liberals feet so she can then bleat "the world around me is shifting!"

Love all the people (bots?) on here backing her up.

She’s an asshole through and through. She’s because she’s a lesbian doesn’t make her sympathetic.

Florida deserves her.

[quote] One doctor she called out about this had to retract his statement that they were safe after 60% of his patients on Ozempic ended up with pancreatitis

Bull fucking shit. The drug’s been around for years, many weight loss clinics prescribe it and 60% pancreatitis would result in a drug being pulled from the market immediately. She’s a fucking lying shitbag and should be sued by Eli Lily if she actually said that.

She’s looking to sell her bullsbut diet pills. All she does for a living is sue people,

[quote]we de-criminalized loitering for prostitution

r84 I mean...are you sure?

R17 neither state is a picnic when it comes to natural disasters.

R87 - like Jillian is hanging out at night on Figueroa street. And it would be FINE if it weren't for those prosties standing there!

Trans?

r89 So which is it? De-criminalized loitering or not?

And this is in broad daylight...

r86, it's been around for 6 years. And it was Dr. Terry Dubrow. Look it up.

She’s lashing out for two reasons: a pill has come out that makes her career practically obsolete and she’s starving.

She just makes shit up about Ozempic. It's set to destroy her entire livelihood and I'm sure she's already feeling the pinch. Which also explains why she's trying to remake herself into Rightwing Talking Head Dyke. Watch out Laura Ingram! She wants that easy money. I doubt the few talk shows that she badmouths ozempic pay much. Novo Nordisk should sue her rapidly drooping ass.

R91 - I don't know what point you're trying to make showing clips of prostitutes in a poor neighborhood. The point is - Jillian isn't impacted by this.

And - bet your sweet ass - there are TONS of prostitutes in South Florida - and some walk the streets.

She's just making shit up and trying to appeal to MAGA for money. She's always been a thirsty, untalented crank who craves money and attention.

Any word from Bob?

People KNOW the trans nonsense is wrong, bad and dangerous then they have something to hang the rest of their nutty grievances on.

The sooner we stop supporting the insane demands of the Gender Identity movement beyond equality for all citizens, the better.

yes, all well and good, r97, but for now, hating Trump and hating you is taking up our time.

so, um, take a seat and we'll get to your idiotic concerns shortly.

So you agree, r98?

This isn't about me, I'm a gay male and vote Dem in every election for forty years, unlike most young people who rarely bother.

Yeah, hunny. You will find your way down in magatville.

California is too woke! EXCEPT FOR MY MARRIAGE TO MY SAME SEX PARTNER.

She’s completely right. Of course the regular Jew-hating kooks will have a problem with her not agreeing to drug her kid.

[quote] Whether you like or not she’s calling out facts. California keeps passing legislation without any real care for the ramifications.

I live in LA and have no idea what legislation you or her are talking about.

Who?

She screams MAGA!

She's an illiterate liar who hears the same kind of lies Republicans are pushing all over the country.

She should move to Russia, where all is sweetness and light. Come farm with us.

A grifting cunt about to jump on the MAGA train of conning the rubes. What better place to do that than Florida, home to the biggest con man of all time?

This and a million other things are reason enough to get the hell out of wacky California.

The misogyny in this thread is off the charts. Do you sorry assholes think you gestated in a tank somewhere? Fuuuuck.

Illiterate liar because we don't like the witness moron Jilian Michaels? She's the misogynist for Trumping.

Funnily enough, California is too full of dumb rednecks for me.

But a lot of them are leaving. Hopefully they’ll all go to Texas.

"my son is half Latin, even though he doesn’t look like it"

It's no wonder this stupid cunt hates 'wokeness'; she takes pride in being ignorant.

I hope she likes hurricanes

R113, that struck me too. She uses Jewish and Latin in the same way she uses Black and Arab. Most people realize that the first two are cultural identities and the second two are races.

R110, I would be careful accusing us of misogyny when the person you’re defending refers to herself somewhat anachronistically as a gay woman instead of a lesbian. She is not gay, she is a homosexual and the term for a female homosexual is lesbian. I do t know why she shies away from the title lesbian but I would wager she certainly wouldn’t identity with someone who calls themselves a dyke.

My grandmother used to always say when hearing someone say they were sure they would be happier if they could live elsewhere, “ Wherever you go, there you are.” Which is to say, if you’re a miserable cunt in Peoria you’ll be a miserable cunt in Paris.

The reason she believes she can be happier in a more conservative place is because with her money she probably thinks she can. While I know California is not the liberal paradise it’s made out to be and neighbors can be unfriendly there, at least she knows where she stands. What those of us who live in red state know is that while money may buy you a big house in the best neighborhood where most will be ostensibly cordial, it is a superficial acceptance and it’s unlikely she will never truly fit in. As much as she can try to play the part, they will never see her, her wife, and her multiracial/multiethnic family as a part of their community and all of the seemingly insignificant slights, whispers, and quiet hostility will grind them down.

r115, she refers to herself as a lesbian all the fricken time on her podcast. You should listen to it. Maybe you'd learn something.

"it is a superficial acceptance"

Yep, but isn't this cunt moving to the most liberal parts of FL?

It would be ironic of her to complain about Democrats and support Trump then move to a blue city in Florida.

Another failed Ca.-Celeb becomes Trumper.

R116, I’m sorry but I can’t reasonably be expected to digest all of this woman’s content before I critique what she said in the particular interview which is the subject of this thread.

So far as moving to a liberal city, the laws which govern what happens even in blue Miami are made in Tallahassee, which is a very different kettle of fish. I can only say that it likely has more to do with the fact that Miami is the economic center of Florida, it’s a looks driven city and she’s in the business of making people look better by losing weight. Moving to a blue city in a red state only seems to support my argument. She wants to have her cake and eat it too, live in a more liberal area of a low tax, conservative state. It’s the same old story. These people want to live in a more conservative place, but not too conservative, and with all the creature comforts that come from a cosmopolitan lifestyle. Let me know when she moves to Panama City Beach and then I’ll be convinced she’s a true believer.

r111 r115 I'm not defending her beliefs, I'm defending her as a woman. Even the stupidiest, most irritating adult female MAGAt doesn't deserve to be called a cunt. Also, I've reclaimed the slur dyke for myself only, not that you'd understand the subtlety.

[quote] Also, I've reclaimed the slur dyke for myself only, not that you'd understand the subtlety.

Jesus Christ, you youngsters think you invented everything. I was around when we were doing this the first time back in the early 90s.

I understand you think you’re just defending women, but you do so with a slight misandrist tone. I don’t think that women deserve to be degraded any more than men do, but I also don’t believe that they should get special treatment just because they happen to be the half of the parents that has a womb.

I'm 44, r121. But you do you.

I’m am only a couple of years older than you, so I must have been more politically and socially engaged than you because even in my red state hometown, reclaiming slurs and stereotypes was certainly a common idea that had been done for years, a prime example being the Dykes on Bikes motorcycle club which was founded and named in 1976.

While I’m over here doing me, as you suggest, why don’t you do you some learning about our shared homosexual history.

Angry, rich lesbian tired of taxes and letting people have rights.

[quote] [R111] [R115] I'm not defending her beliefs, I'm defending her as a woman. Even the stupidiest, most irritating adult female MAGAt doesn't deserve to be called a cunt.

???? Adult female MAGAts deserve to be called something much worse than a "cunt." Please advise if you have any suggestions on appropriately deplorable slurs.

The frau offended by the word cunt is probably also offended when we make fat jokes about Trump.

It's about context-Trump routinely mocks the appearance of others. Same with the word cunt, it reflects Jillian's vile personality and comments.

Grabbed the same quote, R125 and was ready to make your point, so well done.

Sorry, KittyDyke, women turned the rules on their heads when they wouldn't vote for Hillary because emails. And the cunts (and racists, bigots, homophobes, and misogynists) came out of the woodwork under and emboldened by Trump.

The point I make is if you don't want to be called a cunt, stop acting and voting like one.

Lower middle class white mean hate Bill Clinton and lower middle class white women hate Hillary Clinton for the same reason.

They are both from humble beginnings (Bill more than Hillary) but became successful through education.

Fat frauen who just want to latch onto some blue collar guy and squeeze out kids are very uncomfortable with that idea.

Same thing with the blue collar guys. They think they are entitled to the world just because they are men. Learn a new skill or trade? But my family’s been working in the coal mines for generations! Why should I have to do anything different? Now, where’s my 4-bedroom house?

Well, I guess that was way off topic. But this anti-woke attitude has been floating around for a while and started with hatred of the Clintons.

Ok - looked into this a bit more - First, it looks like they moved to Florida at least 2 years ago if not more. She's lying. She's been living in Florida for years - she paints it out like she just moved there.

Another weird thing in these articles - she keeps referencing how her wife was a Division 1 athlete. No searches mention any Deshanna or Marie Minuto competing in any sport.

Then it says her wife went to NYU - but that's not a Division 1 school.

This woman is CRAZY. And her wife is supposedly some fashion designer - but only started her brand AFTER hooking up with Jillian Michaels in 2018. There's really not much in her LinkedIn at all. No education, no work experience.

And they supposedly met on a celebrity-matching website. How in the hell did DeShanna Minuto make the cut? This is just all levels of lies, publicity and bullshit.

[quote][R91] - I don't know what point you're trying to make

One of you (maybe you, I don't feel like checking) insinuated that the point of decriminalization is not to regulate. I countered that nonsense by presenting the regulation of alcohol as an example of something that is both decriminalized and regulated. "You" then responded that loitering is decriminalized. I then linked the videos showing hoes walking the streets in broad daylight.

Are you caught up on "the point," yet? Because it sounds like you (or another person) keep shifting the goalpost. Now, the narrative is that "it doesn't affect her." A lot of people can be bothered about things happening in a state they reside even if it doesn't affect them directly. One of those videos also showed prostitutes soliciting across the street from a headstart school with primary-aged children. That should bother any sane person. But, I keep forgetting where I'm posting, I guess.

[quote]women turned the rules on their heads when they wouldn't vote for Hillary

Imagine policing the voting habits of women you disagree with and using that as an excuse to be misogynistic. Tell me you're a male feminist without telling me.

Hilary won the popular vote so stop claiming women can't win in America.

This is probably 'roid rage. Check her locker.

She's probably flooded up to her waist. She's already reaped her reward and her homeowners insurance has probably quintupled and she's likely already been mugged already.

I read somewhere that the rich and poor neighborhoods in South Florida are really close to each other because of the high density. If that's true, she might see more human misery on a daily basis than she did in LA.

R130 - she cites 2 examples only of legislation she doesn't believe in as the source or reason for moving to Florida.

So yes - we focused on the part where prostitutes are no longer arrested for loitering. It would seem that laws that IMPACT you would be the reason to leave - you know, like the law in which her own kids won't be able to say at Florida school that she has two mommies? It's an absurd argument to make - that somehow loitering prostitutes in areas of town that she never goes to is a major reason to move.

Then she mentions that hormone blockers are the other reason. Sorry - but that's not a real argument for her either.

The point is a) she's already lived in Florida for several years and b) the reasons she states for leaving are completely bogus. But you keep pointing to one or 2 videos showing hookers loitering - as if that's proof that it is somehow widespread all over California. I live in CA - it is not.

You're hellbent on defending a defenseless and false arguments she's making because of your political leanings.

r136 FFS

[quote]she proves immediately by saying "but we’re not regulating any of it." Well. duh. That's the point of decriminalization.

Idiotic take I responded to with this:

[quote]Huh? No. Alcohol is decriminalized but it's still regulated. Surely you know the difference between being completely illegal and being legal but regulated.

The rebuttal that I found senseless:

[quote]Of course I do, [R82], but that's not what rancid cunt is saying, either. She knows that, as [R73] said, we de-criminalized loitering for prostitution, but prostitution itself is still illegal and prostitutes still have to file taxes and abide by every other law out there.

I show videos of prostitutes both loitering and actively soliciting in broad daylight. Also, bringing up the de-criminalization of prostitution loitering as some kind of "win" is asinine and just goes to show how rotted the brain of the average progressive actually is. You're basically admitting that prostitutes walking around half-naked is legal California and insinuating that it's not a problem and people who don't want to live in a state that allows that are "far-right". That's reductive and gross.

R137 - you're not making any sense. Just quit while you're behind - no one is agreeing with you. She made ridiculous statements to talk about moving when she had already moved to Florida a few years prior. She is not impacted by the loitering issue. And unless her kids are out there trying to transition, that issue isn't impacting her either.

BUT - have her kids mention that her mom is a lesbian at school - and they'll get into trouble. Have ANY of her kids become gay or lesbian like her, then they have to LIE their entire lives until they graduate from high school.

You're wasting your breath trying to defend this bitch. But that's what conservatives like you do - they breathlessly support any dingbat who's a conservative - you're #1 favorite being Trump.

[quote]we focused on the part where prostitutes are no longer arrested for loitering

What a goofy argument for her to make. I have lived in LA for 30 years, I remember seeing female and male prostitutes around Hollywood all the time. I have not seen an actual street walker in more than a decade. Everyone is on line these days. If she's going to skid row or maybe she could find one or two, but there are not street walkers in the neighborhoods she lives in, that's for sure.

Cunt.

Tell us what you really think…

She’s been a crazy conservative cunt for years. I suspect she’s got BPD. She reminds me of that other Quisling commentator on Faux who refuses to use the word “lesbian.” Lol

Shes a Trump supporting nutjob

What nonsense R137.

In California prostitution is illegal. The bill just decriminalized loitering, not prostitution or solicitation. Of course prostitution is legal in Nevada, but has Jillian Michaels ever boycotted that state? Of course not.

"the law in which her own kids won't be able to say at Florida school that she has two mommies"

There is no law that says this.

Poor lesbians will come to your rescue, rich lesbians can be bigger Cunts than most gay men. Looking at you Ellen UN-Generous.

The law says that the school or anyone who works there cant say gay in a formal setting like during a class in session. It has to be off the record so to speak. It's more about the teachers. For example the kids can say whatever they want, but if the instructor were to acknowledge that Jillian's kids have two mommies in any way while the class was in session, the school can be sued by the other parents. Basically for "exposing" their spawn to concepts such as homosexuality.

Since she's such a feminist, I'm sure this vapid cunt cares very deeply about Florida's abortion laws!

The "Woke Victimology Poker" line strikes me as defensive. She knows DeSantis is part of a political movement that is homophobic, misogynistic, racist, antisemitic and Islamophobic. She gives a detailed rundown of her family's entire pedigree/background and then bitterly spits out "Woke Victimology Poker" because she knows she's not acting in her family's best interest and she resents the hell out of it when people point that out to her. She probably wishes she could go full MAGA but they hate everything about her. I think the nastiness appeals to her.

Oh come on r149. She has a point, California has decided to embrace insanity the likes of sane liberals reject. That doesn't mean she's completely wrong.

Like Jillian doesn't take a million testosterone adjacent supplements from dodgy peptide dealers.

R2 you know who also hates gays? The people who advocate chopping off healthy tits and dicks.

Does she have a point, r150? She repeats the tired conservative talking point that California legalized "everything". She bizarrely focuses on how streetwalkers aren't being arrested and it's a terrible policy because they're not paying taxes or being regularly checked for STDs, letting the perfect be the enemy of the good and conveniently ignoring the fact that the Florida state government does nothing to help prostitutes. She ends with a fun bit of willful ignorance about sixth graders getting top surgery, a thing that NEVER happens no matter how much right-wing influencers talk about it.

I don't care if someone wants to move to Florida but she sounds totally crazy and not very smart.

A twelve year old was given a mastecomy, r153.

Cliché I know but even broken clocks are right twice a day. [shrug]

Nobody is going to mention her awful, mutilated face? She probably could have left it alone and been fine, it’s not like she was a classic beauty before.

Something not discussed here is her casual mentioning of the interment of Japanese Americans and her suggestion that it was okay.

Jillian is probably one of the trolls that start anti-trans threads on DL.

[quote]Whether you like or not she’s calling out facts. California keeps passing legislation without any real care for the ramifications.

Really? Which ones. What are the bills that have been passed that you find objectionable?

Your only post in the thread, r152? Uh huh.

By the way, why should I care what Jillian Michaels (of all people) thinks, says or does? She's neither a talent nor a brain trust.

Bob's heart stopped working and now Jillian's brain, too.

That show is cursed.

[quote]The bill [bold]just[/bold] decriminalized loitering

Fucking Christ...

Chickens for KFC moron.

She’s no different than the “Queers for Palestine.”

I bet Jillian would get along well with Cro-Marge. Crossfit buddies that flock together--mean, angry cunts full of rage and resentment.

Maybe Jillian should run for mayor of Miami as a GQP. I could see that being her next grift.

She looks like a lost Willis sister

R97 would rather pick on the tiny number of trans kids who've transitioned than focus on issues that affect more than 3 people

R94 Laura Ingraham is gay?

[Quote] Moved from LA to Miami is like moving from the frying pan to the fire

Extreme heat is the nation’s deadliest climate hazard, killing more people than wildfires or hurricanes. Its effects have been felt in California. For example, in 2022 a record-breaking, 10-day heat wave killed 395 Californians, according to a state analysis.

Laura Ingraham dated Lindsey Graham R167. I think that speaks volumes about her heterosexuality.

All these 'anti-woke' homo parents are in for a big surprise when they discover places like Texas and Florida are coming for same sex marriage and IVF.

Or - her reputation finally caught up to her and she can't get a training client or a production meeting with anyone in LA.

She's had negative press about her for over a decade - and rightfully so.

[quote] California has decided to embrace insanity the likes of sane liberals reject. That doesn't mean she's completely wrong.

Oh for fucks sake, I have lived in CA for 60 years, none of those things she is worried about affect people in a noticeable way other than making the hill they want to die on. Guarantee most people I know of all ages don't even know what she is talking about. Trans and prostitution is like 0.0001 percent of the population. This is just a social media vehicle to dump on CA so that she can get more clients where she already lives, Florida.

R169 That is just rumor. Nor an actual fact. And a lot of women dated closeted men.

[quote]the teacher was lamenting how horrible America was.

Was she, or is that the kid's take and it's easier to villainize the teacher than to accept that kids are going to have their own point of view?

Of course R137 is going to take what I said and quote it out of context to attempt (and fail) at making a point. I said:

[quote]she says she's on board with everything the liberals have fought for and obtained (like legalization of sex work, decriminalization of marijuana) but, apparently, only for her as she proves immediately by saying "but we’re not regulating any of it." Well. duh. That's the point of decriminalization. She wants her personal freedom to do whatever she wants, but everyone else has to be subject to regulation. Got it.

I was using her complaint about decriminalization to illustrate that Jillian thinks only and exclusively about herself, and certainly not about the actual victims, you know, human beings who have been caught up in our criminal justice system for ridiculously petty crimes like loitering and possession of pot, and then thrown into prison with murderers, rapist, and career criminals. Jillian seems to be saying that she likes living in a liberal community, but only so long as we continue down the path towards mass incarceration of people just getting through life. Unless, of course, R137 can explain to us what the difference is between being arrested for loitering and being arrested for prostitution, or the difference between being arrested for mere possession of pot vs. being arrested for using in a public space or my favorite when they catch someone with more than an ounce of pot on their person and arrest them for possession and [italic]intent to distribute[/italic]. Yes, idiot, I know there is a difference, but when it comes to taking away someone's freedom, there is little distinction, at least in outcomes. And that is what Jillian was lamenting because she sure as hell wasn't worried about the actual [italic]person.[/italic] No, her lament was that there's no point in decriminalizing [italic]anything[/italic] because the people it impacts commit other crimes:

[quote]you’re gonna decriminalize sex work but only so women can loiter on the streets, not to keep them safe, not to have them pay taxes, not to make them, you know, regularly check for STDs, not to take away the pimps out of the equation.

In other words, [italic]let them eat cake.[/italic]

Bottom line, we all "know the difference between being completely illegal and being legal but regulated": the state raking in $billions heavily taxing the sin.

MIAMI ?????

She is not being honest with her reasoning for the move.

Her wife is hot

Choose your poison Florida is having record rainfalls while California burns.

r175 Bruh. You [bold]still[/bold] don't know what 'regulate' means, apparently. Damn shame.

I'll take rainfalls over drought anytime

^ 20+ inches of rain over a couple of days is hardly a rainfall. Are you Ron DeSantis?

Does Florida get tsunamis?

R182 I'm just quoting the poster above me.

rich people live in the same bubble no matter where they go, what is she so concerned about

California's drought is essentially over.

It certainly seems that way R186

Los Angeles saw 592 slides in one week, a reminder that excessive precipitation events set off more than flooding.

California is fine, we send our love.

Addition by subtraction

All of the California hate--HOMELESS! MUDSLIDES! CRIME!--is just more of the garbage GQP culture wars. And it plays to the poorly educated, like the dumbass fangurlinas of Jillian Michaels.

Perfect weather today, 74F, beautiful people everywhere, making more money than I ever have in my lifetime. Throw all the jealous shade you want, I love it here, nothing you say will change that. Enjoy your shitty weather and depressing cities- California resident

She'll be giving exercise classes at The Villages soon.

When will people ever get tired of the same fucking article? This has been a word-for-word staple of clickbait bullshit for what seems like centuries.

Can people in their late middle age find something new to complain about?

A tale of two shitties

When she unloads all of that about "I'm gay, I have children of color, blah, blah" you know it's going to be followed by right wing talking points you'd hear on Fox or Newsmax.

No different than when my Qanon cousin says "I used to be a Democrat but...." then out comes the nonsense.

Just admit you're a far right loon, Jillian. Don't try and act like you're anything but.

r190 California is expensive, the cities are heavily polluted, crowded, and the people are annoying. I used to want to live in LA decades ago. The current state of California is not my cup of tea. If you're happy there, fine. Be happy. People who aren't will leave and their reasons for doing so will obviously be negative because they hated it there. Defending your state to people who have already made up their minds that it's a dumpster fire is useless. Just do you.

Don’t let the door hit you on the way out you muscular ass bitch. Not one lie was told by her but Florida tho? Girl bye.

Bad built butch body. Bye bitch! 👋

[quote]Not one lie was told by her

Bless your heart, "Warrior".

I had planned to retire in CA, and planned for it my whole life. And n the last 5 years, that plan has vanished.

And Jillian Michaels probably doesn’t pay federal income tax. Who cares what she thinks.

r200 Move to Montana. It's prettier, quieter, and has cleaner water.

Montana is probably full of people who commute to serve rich people in California.

[quote] that struck me too. She uses Jewish and Latin in the same way she uses Black and Arab. Most people realize that the first two are cultural identities and the second two are races.

Arab is not a race.

[quote]the cities are heavily polluted, crowded, and the people are annoying.

Where do you live?

[quote]Move to Montana. It's prettier, quieter, and has cleaner water, no diversity, rancid politics, is at least a full day's drive from anything worth doing, no representation unless you're a straight white male, no culture, few opportunities, and ridiculously Christian. And don't forget, right next door to the state where they hang you from a barbed-wire fence to die after robbing and sexually assaulting you! So convenient!

[quote]no diversity, rancid politics, is at least a full day's drive from anything worth doing, no representation unless you're a straight white male, no culture, few opportunities, and ridiculously Christian

r206 OMM. I. Don't. Give. A. Single. Mother. Fuck. About any of this shit. I will disappear into the goddamn mountains somewhere and be minding my own business with some much needed peace and quiet. I don't need "diversity" and don't care about "culture" anymore. Both of those components, in my experience, seem to come with the most aggravating and exhausting breed of people to tread this Earth.

[quote]Where do you live?

r205 Too damn close to Detroit is where the hell I live. I no longer see any large urban cities as an attractive place to live. I'm at a point where I just want peace, quiet, and to be around as few human beings as possible.

Moving to Montana soon….

So woke!

r210 Did you not read the article? Those are from cases that are decades old. One is from 2010, another from 1995.

Nothing to see here!

R202 - that has never been, and never will be part of the plan.

[quote] California is expensive, the cities are heavily polluted, crowded, and the people are annoying.

Who says you have to live in a big city with millions of people? California has hundreds of small quite towns and suburbs which are a lot more affordable. Out of over 480 incorporated towns, you judge all of CA by one major city? The simplistic logic from haters is staggering.

R210 says we are all woke for disqualification jurors who put in writing homophobic slurs? Maybe it's just me, but I prefer people with an open mind to judge me, not some homophob who already has a bias opinion and not afraid to put it in writing like it's no big deal.

[quote]Move to Montana. It's prettier, quieter, and has cleaner water.

Er, Uh, I would not rush into that. You better be ok with Trumpeters, Mormon Temples in every town, missile silos. Yes, Montana is not off the radar, it's a target for China because he have missiles there. Also, GPS and cell phone service suck there. Big gaps with no coverage because so few people live there. There are part where it literally all drops out for hours even on major highways. Bring a paper map with you. Don't expect your smart pone to work either.

[quote]GPS and cell phone service suck there

Good.

[quote]you judge all of CA by one major city

r214 Nope. I just CA by its fault lines and people. I want no parts.

R210 There are two things I took from your post:

1– you be posting old shit.

2– Matt Damon used to be an Oakland prosecutor.

The Grauniad thought it was new enough to publish it today?

[quote]Nope. I just CA by its fault lines and people. I want no parts.

Fault lines? Which fault lines have offended you? Point on the map where the bad line touched you.

r221 I hate California and would never move there. Get over it.

Lots of good cock in California!

R223 The most beautiful people in the western hemisphere after Bermuda and Puerto Rico are in California.

^The new sock of DeFucktard, Edw, Teacunt, etc.

R225 An exterminator for your mom’s pussy because that shit must have been rotten because YOU are rotten. You are an awful human being. You make up lies. You have no principles. Leave us alone, us functionally mentally stabled peopled. We don’t want your misery.

Lol, thanks for confirmation!

R227 your first mistake is thinkin Teacake and Defacto are the same person. Fuck defacto. Fuck you bitch.

You need to get yo life.

Jillian is not alone

If that's the kind of guy who is moving out of California, I am all for it!!

Ugly Fatty, Trumpeters most of them.

I always find it odd how CA haters fixate on 0.001% of the population leaving California is like some deviating news. The fact is, being the most populated state in the Union is NOT a goal. It's the cause of high housing prices and cost of living. With 40 million people, I would love it if even more people would move out of state. It's like saying Texans should be nervous because a record number of gun owners are moving into their state.

In contrast, recent immigrants to California are among the most educated residents of the state. A majority (52%) of working-age immigrants (ages 25–64) arriving over the past ten years have a bachelor’s or graduate degrees.

More Trumptards leaving for the Confederacy is a GOOD thing!

R229 well they’ve gained hoes like me who love the great weather and hard dicks.

[quote]I just want peace, quiet, and to be around as few human beings as possible.

You seem nice.

Nothing wrong with boundaries.

She reminds me of that screeching banshee. Kirstie Alley.

r234 Have you been around people lately? Nearly everyone has gone batshit within the last 4-5 years. I've lost the patience and no longer want to be bothered. Nothing wrong with that, at all.

[quote]Nearly everyone has gone batshit within the last 4-5 years. I've lost the patience and no longer want to be bothered.

It's them that are crazy. You're fine.

Sure!

r238 Correct.