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Transgender swimmer Lia Thomas out of Olympics after losing legal battle

The US swimmer Lia Thomas, who rose to global prominence after becoming the first transgender athlete to win a NCAA college title in March 2022, has lost a legal case against World Aquatics at the court of arbitration for sport – and with it any hopes of making next month’s Paris Olympics.

The 25-year-old also remains barred from swimming in the female category after failing to overturn rules introduced by swimming’s governing body in the summer of 2022, which prohibit anyone who has undergone “any part of male puberty” from the female category.

FILE - Transgender swimmer Lia Thomas speaks to her coach after winning the 500 meter freestyle during a meet with Harvard on Jan. 22, 2022, at Harvard University in Cambridge, Mass. In an interview that aired Tuesday, May 31, 2022, on ABC's “Good Morning America,” Thomas disputed those who say she has an unfair biological edge that ruins the integrity of female athletics. (AP Photo/Josh Reynolds, File) Transgender swimmer Lia Thomas taking legal action against World Aquatics Read more Thomas had argued that those rules should be declared “invalid and unlawful” as they were contrary to the Olympic charter and the World Aquatics constitution.

However, in a 24-page decision, the court concluded that Thomas was “simply not entitled to engage with eligibility to compete in WA competitions” as someone who was no longer a member of US swimming.'

The news was welcomed by World Aquatics, who hailed it as “a major step forward in our efforts to protect women’s sport”.

“World Aquatics is dedicated to fostering an environment that promotes fairness, respect, and equal opportunities for athletes of all genders and we reaffirm this pledge,” it added.

World Aquatics introduced its new rules after Thomas beat Olympic silver medalist Emma Weyant by 1.75sec to win NCAA gold in the women’s 500-yard freestyle in 2022.

In a scientific document that informed its decision, it said swimmers such as Thomas retained significant physical advantages – in endurance, power, speed, strength and lung size – from undergoing male puberty, even after reducing their testosterone levels through medication.

While it is understood that World Aquatics was prepared to argue the merits of the scientific evidence at Cas, the hearing solely focused on whether Thomas, who is no longer a member of US swimming, was allowed to challenge its rules.

On Wednesday it ruled that Thomas had no standing to sue World Aquatics’ transgender policy, with a key paragraph stating: “The panel concludes that since the Athlete is not entitled to participate in ‘Elite Event’ within the meaning of USA Swimming Policy, let alone to compete in a WA competition, which occurs upon registration with WA prior to a competition or upon setting a performance which leads to a request for registration as WA world record, she is simply not entitled to engage with eligibility to compete in WA competitions.

“The policy and the operational requirements are simply not triggered by her current status.”

World Aquatics insists it is doing all it can be inclusive and has introduced an “open” category for transgender swimmers. However, plans to debut it at the Berlin World Cup last October were cancelled after no entries were received for any of the 50m and 100m races across all strokes, which were due to take place alongside male and female races.

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by Anonymousreply 142June 15, 2024 11:25 PM

Good.

by Anonymousreply 1June 12, 2024 7:32 PM

I hate this “cunt”! HORRAY! Lia is a fucking pervert getting a thrill out of creeping out young women in changing rooms. Any decent person would not want to make others unhealthy.

by Anonymousreply 2June 12, 2024 7:39 PM

A glimmer of sanity.

by Anonymousreply 3June 12, 2024 7:40 PM

Are we going to hear now how this is a genocide against Trans women? Or does the Left not care anymore because she’s not in Hamas?

by Anonymousreply 4June 12, 2024 7:46 PM

good.

by Anonymousreply 5June 12, 2024 7:49 PM

Does this person have a cock? I’m curious.

by Anonymousreply 6June 12, 2024 7:58 PM

She has a demonstrably unfair physical advantage over cisgender female swimmers. I wish her well, she has endured a lot of hostility and hate.

by Anonymousreply 7June 12, 2024 7:59 PM

Yes Lia has a lady penis. And she doesn't bother tucking.

I have no sympathy for me. He's a misogynist, a cheat and a fraud. And he's a man.

by Anonymousreply 8June 12, 2024 8:00 PM

"Or does the Left not care anymore because she’s not in Hamas?"

I don't know about that, but I do know the Christofascist right will continue to shove a dirtball scumbag perv like Donald Trump down our throats while insisting this pathological liar/con artist grifter is the second coming of Jesus Christ.

by Anonymousreply 9June 12, 2024 8:03 PM

[quote] Does this person have a cock? I’m curious.

Yes. And Lia is HUNG HUGE!

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by Anonymousreply 10June 12, 2024 8:04 PM

And if I have to pick my poison, I'll take the one on the left, please. Seems a lot let harmful than letting a narcissistic ragaholic dictator wannabe be president again.

by Anonymousreply 11June 12, 2024 8:05 PM

I don't think any of these "trans" women that are in women's sports are actual real trans people suffering from gender/body dysmorphia

by Anonymousreply 12June 12, 2024 8:05 PM

How very dare you r12!

by Anonymousreply 13June 12, 2024 8:07 PM

Lia to de-transition in 3....2...1...

by Anonymousreply 14June 12, 2024 8:10 PM

Good.

by Anonymousreply 15June 12, 2024 8:10 PM

Good!

MTF athletes forfeit any and all preconceived, delusional "right" to compete against female athletes.

by Anonymousreply 16June 12, 2024 8:11 PM

Why, r14? I highly doubt Lia could complete at the Olympics among men.

by Anonymousreply 17June 12, 2024 8:18 PM

William/Lia had no sporting achievements when swimming in male races. It was only when he started racing in women's races that he made a mark.

And of course he wasn't BANNED from swimming, he was banned from swimming in women's races because he's male - male athletes who identify as women can continue to compete in men's sport, many of which have moved to trans inclusive "open" categories.

by Anonymousreply 18June 12, 2024 8:42 PM

[quote] Thomas disputed those who say she has an unfair biological edge that ruins the integrity of female athletics.

Twit.

My mother had to stop playing football etc with us kids once my older brother hit 11 or so, because she would have been walloped.

Physically injured. By an ELEVEN YEAR OLD.

by Anonymousreply 19June 12, 2024 8:50 PM

Is he willing to chop off his dick and cut off his balls. If not, sit down, Lia.

by Anonymousreply 20June 12, 2024 9:06 PM

They punted and ruled her ineligible on a technicality without addressing the central issue.

by Anonymousreply 21June 12, 2024 9:14 PM

Violence.

Actual. Literal. Violence!

by Anonymousreply 22June 12, 2024 9:20 PM

Having a penis makes her less [the word for aerodynamic in water], so it all evens out in the end.

by Anonymousreply 23June 12, 2024 9:24 PM

My front hole is queefing with RAGE!!!!

by Anonymousreply 24June 12, 2024 9:25 PM

At least now I have a go-to picture in my mind of the average DL Nazi that starts and posts to threads like this one. Ha ha

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by Anonymousreply 25June 12, 2024 9:25 PM

^hydrodynamic

by Anonymousreply 26June 12, 2024 9:25 PM

[quote] However, plans to debut it at the Berlin World Cup last October were cancelled after no entries were received for any of the 50m and 100m races across all strokes, which were due to take place alongside male and female races.

Which is hilarious and telling.

by Anonymousreply 27June 12, 2024 9:30 PM

Lia Thomas is a fraud. Donald Trump is a traitor and criminal.

Yes, it’s difficult, but I somehow manage to believe these things simultaneously.

by Anonymousreply 28June 12, 2024 9:33 PM

[quote]At least now I have a go-to picture in my mind of the average DL Nazi that starts and posts to threads like this one. Ha ha

Why? Because this is not newsworthy? Or because the precious Mx Thomas is somehow above discussion?

by Anonymousreply 29June 12, 2024 9:40 PM

Sayonara Sucker

by Anonymousreply 30June 12, 2024 9:41 PM

She never answers the question. And Bill asks several times. HOW BIG IS HIS TRANNY COCK!?

by Anonymousreply 31June 12, 2024 9:44 PM

As an undergraduate at the University of Pennsylvania, Thomas was a member of "Penn Non-Cis" and co-authored the "Trans-Inclusive Language Guide."

It's everything you might imagine. This is how they defined 'woman': "Any individual whose gender experience aligns with womanhood" (based on self-identification of experience)"

"Coercive labeling":

[quote]Designated Sex At Birth (DSAB): This is the F (female), M (male), or significantly rarer X (intersex) marked on an infant’s birth chart based on coercive labeling of perceived sex. DSAB also designates trans status.

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by Anonymousreply 32June 12, 2024 9:50 PM

[quote]Is he willing to chop off his dick and cut off his balls. If not, sit down, Lia.

Well, isn't that the point - Thomas can continue to stand as long as the dick isn't chopped off?

[quote]"Any individual whose gender experience aligns with womanhood"

So a treatise filled with meaningless tautologies?

by Anonymousreply 33June 12, 2024 10:02 PM

So embarrassing to lose the swimsuit competition.

by Anonymousreply 34June 12, 2024 10:07 PM

Oh God the Josef Megeles on this thread like R25. Grease fires are too good for you people. You have so much in common with the Alitos and you are completely oblivious.

by Anonymousreply 35June 12, 2024 10:10 PM

R14 Lia’s transition will involve getting a haircut and possibly cutting back on the bikini waxes.

by Anonymousreply 36June 12, 2024 10:25 PM

Just make categories for trans athletes. Male to female swimming, female to male track etc. So what there will be only a few people competing. It's only fair.

by Anonymousreply 37June 12, 2024 10:39 PM

It'd be like the Paralympics, R37, only with extra drama.

by Anonymousreply 38June 12, 2024 11:08 PM

I gotta say it… he looka like a man!

by Anonymousreply 39June 12, 2024 11:20 PM

Rationality may finally be turning the tide against trans extremism.

by Anonymousreply 40June 12, 2024 11:49 PM

I had to see that giant penis in the locker room!

by Anonymousreply 41June 13, 2024 12:05 AM

They did r37. Nobody entered.

by Anonymousreply 42June 13, 2024 12:11 AM

Lia is an exhibitionist transvestite.

That's something very different from a real transexual.

A real transexual person is not the gender they were assigned at birth. They are convinced 100% that they are in the wrong body. Usually, they will get surgery so that their mind matches their body.

That is not Lia Thomas.

WilLIAm Thomas is a man who gets sexually aroused from dressing like a woman. However, his preference is to have sex with women. That person is called a TRANSVESTITE.

WilLIAm Thomas is a transvestite.

This is evident by Riley Gaines' firsthand witnessing of WilLIAm Thomas taking off his swimsuit in the female locker room, and exposing his male genitalia to the other women in there.

It's a fetish. A sexual fetish..

So please stop confusing a true transexual from a transvestite.

by Anonymousreply 43June 13, 2024 12:12 AM

Sucks to be him.

by Anonymousreply 44June 13, 2024 2:51 AM

[quote]So please stop confusing a true transexual from a transvestite

Some might call it an autogynephile

Lia Thomas was engaged as of December 2023:

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by Anonymousreply 45June 13, 2024 3:35 AM

I hope Lia's wife can take that BIG DICK!

by Anonymousreply 46June 13, 2024 3:44 AM

S/he has done more to turn the general public against transgender people (in sports and elsewhere) than just about any other individual in the USA. But does s/he care about the damage done?

by Anonymousreply 47June 13, 2024 3:49 AM

Forty years ago, when I was in college, she-males would be in adult magazines, not trying to unfairly compete in women’s sports. Why aren’t magazine pictorials and low budget porn films sufficient pursuits for them anymore?

by Anonymousreply 48June 13, 2024 4:08 AM

Another one has her tits chopped off.

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by Anonymousreply 49June 13, 2024 4:14 AM

Oh, yeah, this is normal. Jesus Christ.

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by Anonymousreply 50June 13, 2024 4:15 AM

The female to male swimmer at r49 and r50 Iszac Henig competed as a male and to no ones surprise finished near the bottom of the events she competed in as a male.

by Anonymousreply 51June 13, 2024 4:39 AM

Good. I forgot about this nut, I hope he just floats away after this ruling

by Anonymousreply 52June 13, 2024 5:21 AM

[quote]Yes Lia has a lady penis. And she doesn't bother tucking.

So not transgender. They hate their genitals.

by Anonymousreply 53June 13, 2024 7:05 AM

R43 very good summation of this situation. Lia Thomas has not made the commitment to surgically alter their genitals, or apparently make any other serious long term physical changes (like hormone treatments etc) so really should not be competing with biological women. And Lia is doing no favours at all to all the real transgender/ transexual people out there that actually are "born in the wrong body" and have demonstrated real commitment to changing gender - like Iszac Henig in R50.

People like Lia are making trouble for all those that actually are born in the wrong body and are on a serious path to changing gender

by Anonymousreply 54June 13, 2024 7:11 AM

He is a cheat. Plain and simple.

And r54 no one is born in the wrong body. Take your discredited hogwash elsewhere. Let’s recognise mental illness for what it is.

by Anonymousreply 55June 13, 2024 7:48 AM

[quote] And Lia is doing no favours at all to all the real transgender/ transexual people out there

None of them are real.

by Anonymousreply 56June 13, 2024 10:59 AM

Glad to hear it, but can anyone explain why Thomas is not a member of USA Swimming?

by Anonymousreply 57June 13, 2024 11:07 AM

I feel bad for Lia and want to show my support. Should I send Lume or Mando?

by Anonymousreply 58June 13, 2024 1:16 PM

Lesbian penis

by Anonymousreply 59June 13, 2024 1:18 PM

people are not assigned at birth they are observed at birth. Everyone needs to stop saying that. there is no such thing as transgender.

by Anonymousreply 60June 13, 2024 4:46 PM

I’m glad this cheat was barred from competing against women he is welcome to compete in the men’s competitions but he is not good enough.

A trans category was created to allow trans people to compete but they turned it down because these men are all cheats who want attention and a win regardless of who they shit on.

There is No amount of cross sex hormones or plastic surgery that will level the playing field when it comes to the sex of the human body.

by Anonymousreply 61June 13, 2024 4:55 PM

Its so rich seeing gays using the same type of arguments against trans people that cis religious people have been using against gays for centuries now.

Yea Lia is a problem but don't forget you used to be the problem until the religious idiots lost their fight for our rights and have now been force to point their hatred elsewhere.

by Anonymousreply 62June 13, 2024 5:09 PM

[quote] I feel bad for Lia and want to show my support. Should I send Lume or Mando?

Send Lando and Mume.

by Anonymousreply 63June 13, 2024 5:30 PM

R62 So you think trans has a civil right to publicly walk around women's locker rooms exposing their hard-ons? Cheating women out of scholarships. These are the same men who are flashers, voyeurs, Pedos, and sexual predators.

by Anonymousreply 64June 13, 2024 5:44 PM

Yeah I think AGP transgender shouldn't compete in any sport.

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by Anonymousreply 65June 13, 2024 5:50 PM

There is no such thing as cis men or women. They are just real men and real women.

by Anonymousreply 66June 13, 2024 6:06 PM

[quote] There is no such thing as cis men or women. They are just real men and real women.

And the Earth is flat, right?

And God made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve.

And abortion should be outlawed in all cases, including the rape of a young girl.

You're a real cunt and should be banned from this site.

by Anonymousreply 67June 13, 2024 6:10 PM

R66 You sound like Jesse Waters

by Anonymousreply 68June 13, 2024 6:17 PM

R67 You are a sexist because in your sarcastic response, you didn't include that abortion should be outlawed in cases of the rape of a young boy.

by Anonymousreply 69June 13, 2024 6:19 PM

Makes sense. If you transitioned as a child, you're not a threat.

by Anonymousreply 70June 13, 2024 6:20 PM

The Michael Phelps comparison is already being regurgitated on social media. It's ridiculous. Phelps is an able-bodied male competing against other able-bodied males. And the physical advantages he has are nothing in comparison to those Lia Thomas has against "her" opponents. Here's a photo of Phelps on the podium...

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by Anonymousreply 71June 13, 2024 6:20 PM

...and here's one of Lia with "her" runners-up. Does anyone in their right mind find these two photos equally embarrassing?

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by Anonymousreply 72June 13, 2024 6:21 PM

R64 Like I said in the 2nd part of my statement which you ignored, Lia is a problem but it's clear that the right wingers have infiltrated DL, From posting right wing trash to constantly keep up this culture war in here despite the many other issues that really affect our day to day lives.

I have a right winger block and I see his hidden responses all over this thread. Remember guys it's an election year and if they win with divisive shit, they will rule like that as well and will make sure the people they hate suffer.

by Anonymousreply 73June 13, 2024 6:24 PM

Sorry this is a real and actual issue for real and actual women. The conflict between the rights of trans and the rights of biological women is narrow, but the rights of biological women to their spaces have to be preserved. The issue of providing appropriate supportive care for children has to be settled. So conjure up all the right wing bogeymen you like, this is a real issue and not just something that offends your personal social and political sensibilities. But I'm guessing you can't even deign to acknowledge there's a rational discussion that's necessary.

by Anonymousreply 74June 13, 2024 6:34 PM

R71 that argument is so silly.

Phelps was born a freak of nature. So was Serena. And Nadal. And Lebron. And Lindsay Vonn. And Missy Franklin.

All elite athletes are freaks of nature compared to their peers. It's why we love to watch them compete!

Lia was simply born a male. Like billions of others. If that is an athlete's only "elite" quality? Their bio sex? We have a big problem in regards to efficacy of sport.

by Anonymousreply 75June 13, 2024 6:38 PM

R73 a shrink might be able to help you with your overblown paranoia.

by Anonymousreply 76June 13, 2024 6:39 PM

Her conclusion: not fair but should be allowed because everyone is different.

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by Anonymousreply 77June 13, 2024 6:40 PM

R77 - yup, trans activists and their allies are increasingly letting go of the claim that trans "women" have no unfair advantage. They're now moving towards "it's transphobic for cis women to expect fairness". Here's an example:

[quote] Andy Harvey suggests developing benchmarks for tolerable unfairness and baselines for acceptable safety risks as a way to determine if transgender athletes should be included or not.

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by Anonymousreply 78June 13, 2024 6:56 PM

Thank fuck France and the UK are cracking down on the trans delusion. The US needs to follow suit.

by Anonymousreply 79June 13, 2024 7:00 PM

If Lia Thomas is allowed in women's sports, then there might as well not be any separation between the sexes. What that would mean in reality and not Hollywood fantasy is that men (as in terms of actual biology, not 21st century gender whatever) would win basically everything and any women that did compete despite knowing they'd lose would not have any "safe spaces" (to use another 21st century pop term) free of male harassment.

by Anonymousreply 80June 13, 2024 7:53 PM

Exactly, R80. Any woman who ever played a competitive sport against a man knows that. Although I blocked him long ago, there's always a lunatic on these threads screaming that people who object to transwomen in sports are Nazis.

by Anonymousreply 81June 13, 2024 8:01 PM

R74 Comparing trans rights to women's rights is so dumb. MTF transgenders are male transvestites with all the rights in the world because they are men and have always had more rights than us. 100 years ago women had almost no rights at all and now the men want to take what rights we do have.

by Anonymousreply 82June 13, 2024 8:04 PM

Steroids and enhancement drugs are banned from sports so as not to give athletes unfair advantage. See the connection and how accepting MTF competitors could lead to questioning the drug bans?

No one wants to open that can of worms!

by Anonymousreply 83June 13, 2024 8:11 PM

I feel sorry for Michael phelps. He got rid of his gf at first because he wanted to live a free bachelor life with his millions but then she convinced him to come back to her and as soon as he was back with her she became pregnant. Baby-trapping? Life ruined. And she is not even smart because his face is so ugley. Why reproduce with a neanderthal like him? He is now depressed and I think it is because he is a father while he could enjoy life fucking every woman around the world. He mismanaged his entire youth. R71

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by Anonymousreply 84June 13, 2024 8:28 PM

I have a friend whose daughter is a collegiate swimmer. That young woman has put her heart and soul into her sport. I’ve never worked at anything the way she does.

I am so glad to see this decision go the way it did.

by Anonymousreply 85June 13, 2024 8:42 PM

To add to my post @R71 - Michael Phelps wouldn't have won all medals without extreme talent. His physique is fantastic for swimming, certainly, but so is the physique of the elite male athletes he competed against. Lia Thomas, on the other hand, really wasn't an exceptional swimmer when competing on a level playing field:

[quote] In the 2018–2019 season she was, when competing in the men's team, ranked 554th in the 200 freestyle, 65th in the 500 freestyle, and 32nd in the 1650 freestyle. In the 2021–2022 season, those ranks are now, when competing in the women's team, fifth in the 200 freestyle, first in the 500 freestyle, and eighth in the 1,650 freestyle.

The reason Thomas miraculously "improved" so much when he began competing against women is that his muscle mass, skeletal structure, lung capacity, heart size, and various other advantages were enough to cancel out his lack of skill.

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by Anonymousreply 86June 13, 2024 8:59 PM

I am a male, R67, not a “cis male”. Shove your “cis” bullshit up your remodeled orifice.

Call yourself what ever you like but don’t try and rebrand me.

by Anonymousreply 87June 13, 2024 9:04 PM

Dude swims like a lady!

by Anonymousreply 88June 13, 2024 9:15 PM

Looky like a man.

by Anonymousreply 89June 13, 2024 9:23 PM

R67 sounds deranged and buys into the trans cult

by Anonymousreply 90June 13, 2024 9:26 PM

The irony of r67 is that he/she believes that men can become women and women can become men which is so anti science that it's pathetic.

by Anonymousreply 91June 13, 2024 10:33 PM

We need pix of Lia’s supposed giant cock. He sports a lot of pubic stubble. Is he tucking his dick when he swims? I see no bulge.

by Anonymousreply 92June 13, 2024 10:36 PM

[quote] there's always a lunatic on these threads screaming that people who object to transwomen in sports are Nazis.

And ironically the medical community is doing medical experiments on them. They have no idea what these drugs are going to do to people down the line.

by Anonymousreply 93June 13, 2024 10:38 PM

The drug companies love making kids transition because it means a lifetime on testosterone or estrogen and other medical treatments.

by Anonymousreply 94June 13, 2024 10:47 PM

R70 I wish this misinformation about age and puberty would die in a grease fire because it’s categorically wrong to assume a male body that has not reached puberty will be same as a female which we all know from biology is incorrect. Our skeletons are not the same for example a female pelvis is tilted and this affects performance in running vs a male and cannot be medicated, surgically altered or somehow delayed by stopping puberty.

Sex is real and it must be respected.

by Anonymousreply 95June 13, 2024 11:18 PM

r93, they know some of what the drugs are doing....females being given Lupron to delay puberty are falling and breaking their hips at age 27.

by Anonymousreply 96June 13, 2024 11:28 PM

Transwomen who take huge quantities of oestrogen are getting breast cancer in their 30s. The strain on the heart of the excess hormones in both sexes over time is similar to that caused by of anabolic steroids. The only reason we're not seeing more deaths from heart failure is because those who've been prescribed the drugs since they were ten are still young. These people are not going to survive four or five decades on the meds.

by Anonymousreply 97June 14, 2024 12:04 AM

I'm rooting for this 17 year old. How are her times compared to Thomas'?

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by Anonymousreply 98June 14, 2024 12:18 AM

It's all solved here.

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by Anonymousreply 99June 14, 2024 12:38 AM

See that you should all transition. No more homophobia and you can fuck straight guys. trans the gay away. Whoopee. You should have dropped the T before they got such a foothold into your movement. I was part of that drop-the-T movement on DL in around 2015 or so.

by Anonymousreply 100June 14, 2024 12:47 AM

Common sense prevails.

by Anonymousreply 101June 14, 2024 12:48 AM

R75 is either a retarded cunt, or SvetaCunt needs some more smack.

by Anonymousreply 102June 14, 2024 1:33 AM

If you haven't watched the video at R99, you should. Apparently if gay men would only transition, we could "live a normal life."

by Anonymousreply 103June 14, 2024 2:10 AM

That was sarcasm, R103, in R99. The idea in the video is appalling. Obviously. Though more obvious than my sarcasm. I'm sorry, next time I'll lean in on the rage and let a few cunts and grease fires fly.

by Anonymousreply 104June 14, 2024 2:18 AM

Oh my post wasn't directed at you, R99, sorry. I'm just shocked by the content of the video and I want DL to know how some of these activists think about gay men.

by Anonymousreply 105June 14, 2024 2:32 AM

[quote] Apparently if gay men would only transition, we could "live a normal life."

Believe it or not, those are actually the rules in Iran.

If you're gay, you either have to become a woman, or not be gay. Two choices.

by Anonymousreply 106June 14, 2024 2:45 AM

The trans activists here in US want to turn us into Iran. Look at how they police language and resort to cancelling people for calling them out.

by Anonymousreply 107June 14, 2024 2:47 AM

I have no issues with Lia. I think Lia should be able to live her life however she chooses, but no one with those shoulders and that wing span should be competing against biological women. I am more than happy to be proven wrong, but someone show me a photo of a biological woman built like that and I'll shut up. And, no, photos of Bea Arthur don't count.

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by Anonymousreply 108June 14, 2024 2:48 AM

Lia's shoulders are much wider than those of the average man yet alone women. How tall is he? Looks about 6ft 5. A foot taller than the average woman.

by Anonymousreply 109June 14, 2024 3:38 AM

[quote]And, no, photos of Bea Arthur don't count.

You know DL all too well.

by Anonymousreply 110June 14, 2024 3:39 AM

I think Serena Williams needs to compete against the males too with her wide shoulders and large male skull.

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by Anonymousreply 111June 14, 2024 1:15 PM

The two human beings whom Serena gave birth to would probably disagree with you on that, R111.

by Anonymousreply 112June 14, 2024 1:30 PM

Serena Williams is a biological, actual woman, not a man.

by Anonymousreply 113June 14, 2024 1:50 PM

[quote]Its so rich seeing gays using the same type of arguments against trans people that cis religious people have been using against gays for centuries now.

So you’re saying that if we have a convicted sex offender who was raping kids teaching a kindergarten class we should just be okay with that because of “what people used to say about gays”.

Oh you can’t say that murderer is mentally ill because people used to claim that gays were mentally ill.

Etc. and so on.

False equivalency.

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by Anonymousreply 114June 14, 2024 2:14 PM

No one worth listening to questions trans rights to exist but where their rights conflict with the sex they seek to emulate many hold the actual sex has to prevail. They may want to live as the sex they are not and they should be supported and accepted in that desire, but they are not actually their opposite sex so in the few instances their wishes conflict with the wishes of the actual sex, the actual sex must prevail. There are two sexes, that's the end of it.

by Anonymousreply 115June 14, 2024 2:27 PM

Kim is 5’1 and a non athlete and Serena is 5’10 and a super athlete of course their bodies are going to look different at r111’s photo. Nice try trans troll.

Serena and Venus have already played a male tennis player who at that point was ranked 203rd and were both easily beaten by him.

by Anonymousreply 116June 14, 2024 2:34 PM

[quote] I am so glad to see this decision go the way it did.

Except that in American athletics the cheaters will still make the young girl's work be for nothing

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by Anonymousreply 117June 14, 2024 3:21 PM

Good. It's not a fair competition if someone who was born male and has the strength of a male competes with females. Period.

by Anonymousreply 118June 14, 2024 3:27 PM

R115 QUIT MAKING SENSE!

There's no way you're actually the reasonable, fair minded person you seem by that thoughtful post. You MUST be a Trump loving, far right Boris troll.

by Anonymousreply 119June 14, 2024 5:10 PM

What rights do they need? Their whole thing is to harness women in private spaces so they can carry out their fetishes. No one cares if anyone wears a dress and makeup. You don't even have to call yourself trans to do it. They want us to lie and pretend that we believe them. That is not a right, it is compelled speech.

by Anonymousreply 120June 14, 2024 5:44 PM

The arrogance of idiots like R73 is mind blowing. Everybody has to agree with him or they're the entire Republican party rolled into one.

Please go to the edge of a cliff scream 'Right Winger!' then jump.

by Anonymousreply 121June 14, 2024 6:01 PM

Amazed that this thread still exists and the Nazi Troll hasn't got it shut down like all the other trans threads.

by Anonymousreply 122June 14, 2024 6:12 PM

I wish there were still all male clubs. And all male spaces. Just as I believe there should just be all female spaces. Also I think that the bodies of children should not be fucked with in this manner. It is barbaric. It is a personal choice that should only be made by somebody over the age of 21. And even then they will never fully the opposite sex because of their DNA. They can scream they are genuine women all they want but it just isn't true. That's the shitty part of life you can't be what you aren't no matter what your mind tells you.

by Anonymousreply 123June 14, 2024 6:26 PM

R121, marry me. It's all getting a bit much. I get it, everybody's some degree of nervous about the future - I am too - but the level of paranoia and the shamelessness of expressing it is really starting to grate.

by Anonymousreply 124June 14, 2024 6:45 PM

[quote]I wish there were still all male clubs. And all male spaces. All male clubs still exist.

by Anonymousreply 125June 14, 2024 8:10 PM

I've very strongly disagreed with people, I've found some people morons and I've been insulted but I've never blocked anyone. I don't get it. If I don't like the way a thread is evolving I just no longer read it.

by Anonymousreply 126June 14, 2024 11:10 PM

Well that's the beauty of the great big world, R126, we can all go at it our very own way.

But, thanks so much for your personal lesson to live by.

by Anonymousreply 127June 14, 2024 11:14 PM

Simply make the requirement that one must have XX chromosomes in order to compete in women’s sports. Problem solved.

by Anonymousreply 128June 14, 2024 11:38 PM

R127 if you enjoy blocking people because you don't agree with them that's your narrow minded choice. Yours is a lesson I truly hope few others follow. It is smug and self congratulatory. They might have interesting things to say on other subjects but you immediately cut them off because they don't conform to your world view on what you assume are all subjects.

by Anonymousreply 129June 15, 2024 7:15 AM

I'm so exhausted by all this transphobia on the Datalounge. Gender segregation is the same as racial segregation. Worse, actually. We should just let everyone do whatever they want, and call themselves whatever they want, no matter what. That's the kind thing to do!!! Don't you want to be kind?

by Anonymousreply 130June 15, 2024 8:26 AM

"We should just let everyone do whatever they want, and call themselves whatever they want, no matter what."

I don't have any kids. If I suddenly told everyone I knew I had 3 kids and would therefore, like to be known as a mom, then you must accept it, no matter what.

This is what you sound like. There HAS to be an agreed upon reality or we are doomed as a species. Science isn't wrong. No one is able to change their gender. They can present however they like. Most people aren't going to say anything rude in real life, but the truth of the matter is, there is reality and there is fantasy and forcing anyone to play pretend or deny what they see and hear hoping they become brainwashed doesn't work. Unless you're a Trump supporter, then reality be damned. We cannot condemn Trumpers for not seeing/admitting reality when we are doing the same, just in other ways.

Trans people exist. True trans people. They aren't the ones DEMANDING we deny reality or luring young gays and lesbians into the cult. This swimmer wanted us to overlook the fact that he is a man and pretend he's the same as a woman with the rights to compete as one. He's not.

I thought this younger generation was all about fairness. None of what this man is doing is fair.

by Anonymousreply 131June 15, 2024 9:20 AM

r96, young women on testosterone are developing male pattern baldness too.

by Anonymousreply 132June 15, 2024 10:04 AM

There is kindness and then there is being played for a sucker.

by Anonymousreply 133June 15, 2024 10:09 AM

Anyone who doesn’t support Lia’s right to compete as a woman in the Olympics is basically a Nazi. This is literally how World War II started. Hitler opposed trans women’s rights to compete in sports and look what happened. As an aromantic demisexual, I too have known true oppression, and I stand with my trans sisters as the final line of defence against a fascist theocracy.

by Anonymousreply 134June 15, 2024 10:42 AM

R129, you're oozing open-mindedness yourself. Enough of your censorious finger wagging, you brittle Jacobin.

by Anonymousreply 135June 15, 2024 11:07 AM

R134 loosen your girdle.

by Anonymousreply 136June 15, 2024 4:13 PM

R135 Why haven't you blocked me yet? I can't believe you're wasting your time reading what I have to say since you disagree with me.

by Anonymousreply 137June 15, 2024 4:16 PM

She was never a contender for the Olympics anyway. She's suing just for publicity and to be a pain in the ass.

by Anonymousreply 138June 15, 2024 4:20 PM

I don't disagree with you, I despise you, R137. I've never had a taste for cold oatmeal. But you fall into the category of dismissed with contempt you deserve, little simp.

by Anonymousreply 139June 15, 2024 4:34 PM

Also, R137, hand on heart, you're fun to play with.

by Anonymousreply 140June 15, 2024 4:35 PM

Girls! Girls! You BOTH sound awful.

by Anonymousreply 141June 15, 2024 7:40 PM

r138 HE.

by Anonymousreply 142June 15, 2024 11:25 PM
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