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I don't think the other members of the What's My Line panel liked Dorothy Kilgallen, Part 4

Could a Part 4 of this thread be found in any room of the house?

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by Anonymousreply 498April 12, 2024 8:43 PM

Previous thread.

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by Anonymousreply 1March 26, 2024 10:54 AM

Thanks, OP!

by Anonymousreply 2March 26, 2024 11:50 AM

Two threads......which is the real one?

by Anonymousreply 3March 26, 2024 1:46 PM

This one started first.

by Anonymousreply 4March 26, 2024 5:50 PM

Gertrude Berg.

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by Anonymousreply 5March 26, 2024 5:54 PM

Am surprised she said she is primarily a dramatic actress.

by Anonymousreply 6March 26, 2024 6:01 PM

Dorothy made the last safe flight across the Atlantic on the Hindenburg.

by Anonymousreply 7March 26, 2024 6:31 PM

[quote]Two threads......which is the real one?

This is the real one. Accept no impostors. This ain't the "To Tell the Truth" thread.

by Anonymousreply 8March 26, 2024 6:34 PM

[quote] Marilyn would never have got there on time. She was notorious for being late.

So was mama, but she made it in time.

by Anonymousreply 9March 26, 2024 6:58 PM

Japanese trans policewoman.

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by Anonymousreply 10March 26, 2024 6:59 PM

Peter Gabel, son of Arlene and Martin.

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by Anonymousreply 11March 26, 2024 7:05 PM

Kudos to whoever closed the previous thread so cleverly.

by Anonymousreply 12March 26, 2024 7:06 PM

See how Peter Gabel aged.

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by Anonymousreply 13March 26, 2024 7:14 PM

He looks a lot like his dad. Just enough Arlene in him to keep him from being a total fug. He was great in his twink phase though. The Martin genes just too over. Ugly genes are strong.

by Anonymousreply 14March 26, 2024 7:16 PM

Oh, it got much worse.

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by Anonymousreply 15March 26, 2024 7:23 PM

[quote]Before Gloria Steinem told us it was bad, we used to be able to appreciate women’s looks. Can’t call them girls. Can’t call them ladies, either. Kind of tiresome.

BUT you can disparage women in rap music and hip-hop. And no one gives a shit.

And today you can have men invade women's spaces, women's sports. It's all ok.

The whistles in the studio of What's My Line ? were in fun and not disrespectful.

by Anonymousreply 16March 26, 2024 7:27 PM

Way off topic but whenever I hear about the catcalling debate I think of the King of Queens episode when Carrie complains about that catcalling. Then it stops and she gets angry about that. Doug goes and pays the construction workers to start catcalling him again. Sorry for the disruption. I know that I didn't call for a conference.

by Anonymousreply 17March 26, 2024 7:29 PM

Sue Lyon was 17 and wears an old lady dress.

by Anonymousreply 18March 26, 2024 7:31 PM

The Japanese policewoman didn't get any catcalls or wolf whistles.

by Anonymousreply 19March 26, 2024 7:37 PM

Quaint and yet annoying that Daly keeps saying Miss Dorothy and Miss Arlene (mostly the former) as if he's at a Southern cotillion.

by Anonymousreply 20March 26, 2024 7:52 PM

R20 There's nothing annoying about it. It's genteel.

by Anonymousreply 21March 26, 2024 7:54 PM

What did you want him to say? Yo bitch?

by Anonymousreply 22March 26, 2024 8:01 PM

What about just Dorothy and Arlene?

by Anonymousreply 23March 26, 2024 10:20 PM

Or maybe 2024 style: Queen Dorothy and Lady Arlene.

by Anonymousreply 24March 26, 2024 11:04 PM

R20, how do you think you’d fare by the evolving standards of the next 60-70 years?

by Anonymousreply 25March 26, 2024 11:08 PM

It was just Peter Gabel's long tresses that were fugly and silly. His face was perfectly handsome.

What about Bennett's sons Jonathan and Christopher? WEHT them?

by Anonymousreply 26March 27, 2024 12:32 AM

WML alumna Lisa Lane merits a belated NYT obit.

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by Anonymousreply 27March 27, 2024 12:58 AM

Peter looks like a middle aged lesbian.

by Anonymousreply 28March 27, 2024 1:04 AM

[quote] What about Bennett's sons Jonathan and Christopher? WEHT them?

Starting at 31:18, Jonathan speaking at Peter's memorial service last year.

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by Anonymousreply 29March 27, 2024 1:13 AM

i hate soupy sales.

by Anonymousreply 30March 27, 2024 1:23 AM

R16 slips in the usual insulting slur while acting as if men (meaning people identifying as men) have not seen male spaces overridden by the voraciousness of women.

by Anonymousreply 31March 27, 2024 1:28 AM

R31 Am I correct in assuming you are currently unemployed and living with your mom?

by Anonymousreply 32March 27, 2024 1:33 AM

Would an audience of mostly middle aged people (I’m assuming) have gone wild for Elvis? More likely, Clark Gable.

by Anonymousreply 33March 27, 2024 2:10 AM

That's something to ponder: what stars are you surprised did not appear as Mystery Guests?

I wouldn't expect Marlon Brando or Katherine Hepburn, but what about Sean Connery. on the release of the first Bond films? Dionne Warwick, Petula Clark? I wonder if there were celebrities they wanted on the show but couldn't get.

by Anonymousreply 34March 27, 2024 2:26 AM

R12 thanks—that was me.

by Anonymousreply 35March 27, 2024 2:41 AM

R30 He was the weakest part of the already-weakened format of the syndicated version of WML. Goodson and Todman seemed to always want one quick-witted comedian on the WML panel each week. Hence: Hal Block, Steve Allen, Fred Allen, Joey Bishop, Buddy Hackett, etc. Quick-witted didn’t necessarily mean witty; it meant getting a quick laugh based on what was just said. I think that was the intended purpose of Soupy Sales, but his comments misfired nearly all the time. Yet, he was on the panel for the entire 7-year, 5 days a week run of the syndicated version of WML. Perhaps they couldn’t get another comic to play that role as a permanent panel member.

by Anonymousreply 36March 27, 2024 2:47 AM

Sean Connery was on.

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by Anonymousreply 37March 27, 2024 4:02 AM

1965.

by Anonymousreply 38March 27, 2024 4:10 AM

Whole show.

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by Anonymousreply 39March 27, 2024 4:11 AM

R37 Oooops Thanks for that!

by Anonymousreply 40March 27, 2024 4:13 AM

Milton really didn't like Dorothy.

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by Anonymousreply 41March 27, 2024 5:21 AM

I don't see Milton being mean to her. He is just always ON which is typical for a comedian. WTF is wrong with Oscar Levant?

by Anonymousreply 42March 27, 2024 5:52 AM

Levant talked publicly about his neuroses and hypochondria. Levant became addicted to prescription drugs and was committed to psychiatric hospitals by his wife.

by Anonymousreply 43March 27, 2024 5:53 AM

Peter Gabel was the spitting image of his father in later life.

by Anonymousreply 44March 27, 2024 6:02 AM

Peter in 1967

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by Anonymousreply 45March 27, 2024 6:06 AM

Those glasses do him no favors.

by Anonymousreply 46March 27, 2024 6:11 AM

Is it a four-legged animal?

by Anonymousreply 47March 27, 2024 9:28 AM

I suspect Dorothy didn't like Miltie. He was undoubtedly too vulgar for her.

by Anonymousreply 48March 27, 2024 12:46 PM

The Supremes.

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by Anonymousreply 49March 27, 2024 2:10 PM

Oscar Levant was a semi-regular member of the panel of Information Please, a radio institution in the 1930s and 40s. If the What's My Line panel was middle America's idea of urbane sophistication in their time, I think the Information Please panel was the same in prior years.

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by Anonymousreply 50March 27, 2024 2:29 PM

I loved Oscar Levant. Hugely talented and witty. He was the man who knew Doris Day before she was a virgin.

by Anonymousreply 51March 27, 2024 5:43 PM

[quote] I suspect Dorothy didn't like Miltie. He was undoubtedly too vulgar for her.

R48 Then she must have HATED Hal Block!

by Anonymousreply 52March 27, 2024 6:34 PM

Dorothy says she can smell something burning but no one tells her that Oscar is smoking.

by Anonymousreply 53March 27, 2024 9:24 PM

The big necked bee keeper gets whistles.

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by Anonymousreply 54March 27, 2024 11:33 PM

John won't let go of her hand and then she goes to the wrong exit.

by Anonymousreply 55March 27, 2024 11:40 PM

Part 4 of this thread, and no mention yet of the cute singing garbage collectors, who were allowed to do their singing shtick at the end of their segment? (Maybe I missed it.) I caught this last night on Buzzr, which shows B&W episodes of "What's My Line?," "To Tell the Truth" and "I've Got a Secret," including the original commercials, beginning at 4 a.m.

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by Anonymousreply 56March 28, 2024 12:10 AM

[quote] Buzzr ... shows B&W episodes of "What's My Line?," "To Tell the Truth" and "I've Got a Secret," including the original commercials, beginning at 4 a.m.

If only they weren't the same dozen or so shows.

by Anonymousreply 57March 28, 2024 12:13 AM

What’s My Line was way before my time, but I’ve become familiar with it over the years thanks to you guys here. I kept avoiding these threads because I just didn’t think I’d be interested…boy, was I wrong! I started with the first thread on Saturday and now I’m all caught up and have been going down a you tube rabbit hole watching the old clips, and I’ve also been looking up all the celebrities that I didn’t know much about. Faye Emerson? Robert Monkhouse???

It’s been great fun, and I’m now throughly in love with Miss Arlene Francis. Dorothy was kind of annoying but I liked her, too. Everyone, mostly, even the “regular folk” guests, always looked so put together and classy. And I love when there is a handsome guest—that former football player turned charm school operator! What a hunk!

Thanks to you all who have kept these threads going!

by Anonymousreply 58March 28, 2024 12:17 AM

whole show

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by Anonymousreply 59March 28, 2024 12:19 AM

Arlene loves meeting the boys.

by Anonymousreply 60March 28, 2024 12:27 AM

We are your jolly "G" men,

We come around each day.

We pick your garbage up for you,

And haul it right away.

We bring a cheerful greeting,

To all you happy folks.

We brighten up your cloudy days,

With little songs and jokes.

And now your cans are empty,

The entertainment's through.

It's time for us to move along,

We bid you all adieu.

by Anonymousreply 61March 28, 2024 12:38 AM

Rita Gam as panelist was very cool. I only knew her from King of Kings. Didn't know she was married to a publisher important enough to rival Bennett.

by Anonymousreply 62March 28, 2024 1:29 AM

There's a girl in my soup...

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by Anonymousreply 63March 28, 2024 1:44 AM

R62 and she was one of Grace Kelly's bridesmaids, too.

by Anonymousreply 64March 28, 2024 2:14 AM

She was only a panelist on one episode. January 29, 1961.

by Anonymousreply 65March 28, 2024 2:19 AM

Rita Gam was Grace Kelly's roommate at The Studio Club when they were young actresses.

by Anonymousreply 66March 28, 2024 2:31 AM

In that episode at R59, mystery guest Peggy King, a singer on George Gobel's TV show, is identified on screen as "George Gobel's girl Peggy King."

by Anonymousreply 67March 28, 2024 2:46 AM

She was the vocalist on his TV show. But he was already married.

by Anonymousreply 68March 28, 2024 2:54 AM

Peggy reminds me of Judy.

by Anonymousreply 69March 28, 2024 8:01 AM

[quote]She was the vocalist on his TV show. But he was already married.

Nice job of missing the point, R68.

by Anonymousreply 70March 28, 2024 10:28 AM

Pretty Perky Peggy King was her unofficial title.

by Anonymousreply 71March 28, 2024 11:36 AM

Those 2 young garbage men were delightful and adorable! And led to some of the funniest questioning ever on the show.

by Anonymousreply 72March 28, 2024 12:14 PM

[quote]In that episode at [R59], mystery guest Peggy King, a singer on George Gobel's TV show, is identified on screen as "George Gobel's girl Peggy King."

And performers like Kay Thompson would refer to their dancers as their boys.

And so?

by Anonymousreply 73March 28, 2024 1:08 PM

Was Peggy King the girl on the TV show in Behind the Candelabra?

by Anonymousreply 74March 28, 2024 7:50 PM

[quote]And performers like Kay Thompson would refer to their dancers as their boys.

These are my boys!

by Anonymousreply 75March 28, 2024 9:23 PM

Where is that clip of Dick Kollmar's chorus boy??

by Anonymousreply 76March 28, 2024 11:05 PM

skirt blower

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by Anonymousreply 77March 29, 2024 12:44 AM

The contestant at R77 may indeed be the best one they ever had. Arlene and Bennett's grins showed they knew it was something dirty.

by Anonymousreply 78March 29, 2024 6:58 AM

Richard Kollmar.

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by Anonymousreply 79March 29, 2024 7:15 AM

Garry Moore looks like Daly.

by Anonymousreply 80March 29, 2024 7:26 AM

^ Garry Moore hosted a “snoopy kind of show.”

by Anonymousreply 81March 29, 2024 11:51 AM

Peter Lomagistro

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by Anonymousreply 82March 29, 2024 12:02 PM

Any info out there on Art Asquith, the hotter of the two hot singing garbagemen?

by Anonymousreply 83March 29, 2024 5:16 PM

I recall that someone related to Art Asquith commented in the comments section of that YouTube video, R83.

by Anonymousreply 84March 29, 2024 5:25 PM

More on Art Asquith, who appears to be still alive.

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by Anonymousreply 85March 29, 2024 5:28 PM

Why couldn't Daly say whether or not Lilly Dache was blonde? in R59.

by Anonymousreply 86March 29, 2024 6:12 PM

I think this is finally winding down.

Like Martin Gabel after a hot night with Arlene.

by Anonymousreply 87March 29, 2024 7:57 PM

Nothing on Find a Grave R83- so he may still be around.

by Anonymousreply 88March 29, 2024 8:00 PM

His wife died, R88, leaving him a widower, in 2019. There's been no obituary for him since then.

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by Anonymousreply 89March 29, 2024 8:06 PM

If you could invite one, and only one, cast member of WML to dinner which one would you choose? I'm torn between Arlene and Bennett. Both would likely be witty and have stimulating conversation, and both would have a lot of tea to spill. For me, it comes down to which one would actually spill it?

Your thoughts?

by Anonymousreply 90March 29, 2024 8:13 PM

An article from 2018 about the garbage collectors.

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by Anonymousreply 91March 29, 2024 8:22 PM

Ellen Weaver of Olean passed along to us a great story for today’s State & Union.

A graduate of Little Valley Central School, she attended the school’s 119th annual alumni banquet last weekend. The speakers at the event were Harold Sanders, who graduated from Little Valley in 1945, and Arthur “Art” Asquith, who graduated a year later in 1946.

“It was great to hear them,” Ellen says. “My interest was piqued since Art graduated with my late mother, Phyllis Leach Weaver.”

by Anonymousreply 92March 29, 2024 8:24 PM

Harold and Art explained that in their college years they worked during the summer collecting garbage in Allegany State Park. Through that experience, they ended up being on an episode of the popular 1950s and ’60s TV show, "What's My Line,” which aired live Aug. 28, 1955, on CBS.

The men had made up a humorous song about being trash collectors and, in a rare move, moderator John Daly let them sing one verse when the panel members, Arlene Francis, Dorothy Kilgallen, Fred Allen and Bennett Cerf, were stumped about their occupations.

Harold and Art, in wonderful tone, sang:

by Anonymousreply 93March 29, 2024 8:24 PM

We are two jolly g-men, we come around each day, we pick your garbage up for you and haul it right away.

We bring a cheerful greeting to all you happy folks, we brighten up your cloudy days with little songs and jokes.

And when all your cans are empty, the entertainment’s through, it’s time for us to move along, we bid you all adieu.

Of course, the crowd and panel reacted with delighted applause.

Meanwhile, Ellen tells us, “Those of us at last weekend's alumni banquet were treated to hearing them, in person, sing the other verses of the song in voices that remain strong and clear.”

The episode can be found on YouTube.

by Anonymousreply 94March 29, 2024 8:26 PM

Why were they categorized as having a product? Shouldn't they be under performing a service?

by Anonymousreply 95March 29, 2024 8:28 PM

I think I'f have to choose Bennett for dinner. Dorothy would spill gossip by the bucketsful, but Bennett hung out with Shaw, Joyce, Lawrence, etc. He tells a great story about George Gershwin, who led his friends (who had been nude sunbathing) to his piano to play excerpts from his latest score— still bare-assed naked.

by Anonymousreply 96March 29, 2024 11:22 PM

Now that was a party!

by Anonymousreply 97March 29, 2024 11:27 PM

It wasn't polite to speculate on a lady's real hair color.

by Anonymousreply 98March 29, 2024 11:29 PM

Or a gentleman's hairline.

by Anonymousreply 99March 29, 2024 11:36 PM

R96, Yes ... Bennett is the one to invite if you want gossip on intellectuals.

I, on the other hand, utterly superficial as am, want gossip on celebrities from popular culture. I'd choose Dorothy over Bennett - even though I like Bennett very much and think was was hot in his day - but I'd rather have Arlene to dinner. First of all, any dinner shared by a nobody like me and Bennett will be about Bennett. If ever there was a nice narcissist, it's he. Arlene seems very gracious and would probably take some pains to make me feel at ease. She would also provide a lot of interesting gossip, although I suspect she was quite discreet and would only spill info she wanted to spill. Arlene is also very Broadway, and I want the Hollywood tea. We'd have a great time, though, and would probably laugh ourselves sick.

If what you mainly want is lots of Hollywood and political gossip, Dorothy is your girl, although you'll have to exert a lot of effort to put her at ease and make her trust you. Dorothy is like the striver we all knew in high school - so anxious to be well-liked but also determined to show off. It must have been a constant struggle for her.

by Anonymousreply 100March 30, 2024 12:29 AM

Does anyone know if either Bennett or Arlene or JCD were ever interviewed or publicly spoke about Dorothy and her mysterious sudden death? Knowing her somewhat well, I wonder if they were really spooked by her possibly being murdered?

Or did all those theories we've read about how it must have been murder come out many years after her death?

by Anonymousreply 101March 30, 2024 12:56 AM

I think the rumors started very quickly, but I also think that if any of the WML people gave them any credence they were smart enough to figure out silence was the best defense.

by Anonymousreply 102March 30, 2024 1:01 AM

You certainly wouldn't invite Dorothy if you wanted to have a chinwag.

by Anonymousreply 103March 30, 2024 2:18 AM

lol - good one, R103

by Anonymousreply 104March 30, 2024 2:40 AM

I don't think Dorothy would need much coercion to gossip. She was a notorious drunk.

by Anonymousreply 105March 30, 2024 2:52 AM

Darryl F Zanuck

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by Anonymousreply 106March 30, 2024 3:21 AM

The big beard gold prospector can't prospect the chalkboard.

by Anonymousreply 107March 30, 2024 3:25 AM

[quote] Arlene seems very gracious and would probably take some pains to make me feel at ease.

Arlene had the magic of charm!

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by Anonymousreply 108March 30, 2024 3:27 AM

Arlene ups her volume once we see that the bearded one is DEAF.

by Anonymousreply 109March 30, 2024 3:29 AM

[quote]R62 Rita Gam as panelist was very cool… Didn't know she was married to a publisher important enough to rival Bennett.

She was married to Sidney Lumet, too.

by Anonymousreply 110March 30, 2024 5:03 AM

... and was a bridesmaid at Grace Kelly's wedding

by Anonymousreply 111March 30, 2024 5:13 AM

R111 meet R64

by Anonymousreply 112March 30, 2024 6:34 AM

An old friend of mine who did summer stock with Arlene ages ago (1970!) said she was lovely and everyone just adored her but she had a funny habit of bumming cigarettes off of everyone. She never carried her own in an attempt to quit but.....it didn't work as everyone always obliged her.

by Anonymousreply 113March 30, 2024 10:40 AM

I believe Bennett and Random House had a hefty contract with Dorothy on the new book she was writing about the JFK assassination at the time of her murder....um, death.

Can't imagine he wasn't contractually permitted to read any of the drafts but I don't think he ever commented on what she wrote.

by Anonymousreply 114March 30, 2024 10:43 AM

^ There was no murder. The imagined global conspiracies of the right & left are just so tiresome.

by Anonymousreply 115March 30, 2024 11:07 AM

Wiki says that Dorothy's book Murder One was rumored to have been written by someone else.

by Anonymousreply 116March 30, 2024 12:29 PM

Imagine the questions they'd have to ask today to determine if it was a male or female.

by Anonymousreply 117March 30, 2024 4:36 PM

According to the YouTube comments the deaf gold prospector is thought to be one of the funniest contestants but I have the feeling people were laughing at his deafness more than his eccentricity.

by Anonymousreply 118March 30, 2024 4:38 PM

Mine's natural..

by Anonymousreply 119March 30, 2024 4:40 PM

Who knew George Jessel was so popular? And Dana Andrews on the panel? I thought he was a drunk.

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by Anonymousreply 120March 31, 2024 12:36 AM

Re R106 - Zanuck...speaks...very...slowly

by Anonymousreply 121March 31, 2024 5:32 AM

In 1964, Jessel reportedly sexually groped Shirley Temple. According to Temple, he invited her to his office under the guise of discussing a recent role. During their meeting, Jessel put an arm around Temple while taking off his pants. He then grabbed the 35 year-old Temple's breasts. She fought off his attempts by kicking him in the groin. (Wikipedia)

by Anonymousreply 122March 31, 2024 6:28 AM

Zanuck! Zanuck! Zanuck! What, are you two having an affair??

by Anonymousreply 123March 31, 2024 11:05 AM

Celebrity mystery guests were paid $500 for their appearance on the show in addition to whatever money they might win. They often donated their winnings to charity.

by Anonymousreply 124March 31, 2024 1:16 PM

Bennett Cerf once said in an interview that he and his fellow stars were paid in scandalous amounts.

by Anonymousreply 125March 31, 2024 1:17 PM

[quote] Bennett Cerf once said in an interview that he and his fellow stars were paid in scandalous amounts.

Well. someone got the money; the contestants certainly didn't.

by Anonymousreply 126March 31, 2024 1:21 PM

Boy have you got a crazy sponsor.

by Anonymousreply 127March 31, 2024 5:50 PM

Anita Ekberg.

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by Anonymousreply 128March 31, 2024 10:12 PM

What a rowdy crowd. When Miss Ekberg signed in they went wild.

by Anonymousreply 129March 31, 2024 10:16 PM

I've never found Chuck Connors especially attractive, but he's charming and sexy as hell as a panelist on this episode.

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by Anonymousreply 130March 31, 2024 11:52 PM

R123 "What are you two, lovers?" was the line.

by Anonymousreply 131March 31, 2024 11:53 PM

Take the beat, r131. "What are you two...lovers?

by Anonymousreply 132March 31, 2024 11:55 PM

R132 I don't recall there having been a beat.

by Anonymousreply 133March 31, 2024 11:57 PM

Janet knows.

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by Anonymousreply 134April 1, 2024 12:03 AM

I stand corrected.

by Anonymousreply 135April 1, 2024 10:00 AM

John Daly and the News.

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by Anonymousreply 136April 1, 2024 12:27 PM

Madden has played John Reid in Rocketman and Ikaris in Eternals. He could be considered A-.

by Anonymousreply 137April 1, 2024 1:20 PM

(wrong thread)

by Anonymousreply 138April 1, 2024 1:21 PM

[quote]Madden has played John Reid in Rocketman and Ikaris in Eternals. He could be considered A-.

But has he appeared in the legitimate theater?

by Anonymousreply 139April 1, 2024 1:22 PM

R139 Haha!

by Anonymousreply 140April 1, 2024 2:18 PM

I've never understood - does "the legitimate theatre" refer to Broadway? Or to only straight plays on Broadway? Or to straight plays everywhere? Or to something else?

TIA!

by Anonymousreply 141April 1, 2024 3:34 PM

The legitimate theatre.

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by Anonymousreply 142April 1, 2024 3:48 PM

If it weren't for Dorothy, I would never have known of "longhair" music.

by Anonymousreply 143April 1, 2024 4:53 PM

Non-vaudeville, non-burlesque…Broadway or off-Broadway, play or musical.

by Anonymousreply 144April 1, 2024 6:32 PM

Steve McQueen.

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by Anonymousreply 145April 2, 2024 3:21 AM

And you thought Fox News anchors got excited, R136! Daly's style of newscasting seems so strange to me. By the time I was seeing network news shows, well into the '60s, the anchors were as calm, matter-of-fact and unemotional as a typical New York Times news story of the era.

Now, please excuse me. I have to go take some Bisodol for the indigestion I got from Anacin and ReaLemon.

by Anonymousreply 146April 2, 2024 9:19 AM

Why is he yelling?

by Anonymousreply 147April 2, 2024 2:15 PM

R144 - I believe, for the purist, musicals were excluded as well.

“ Legitimate theatre[a] is live performance that relies almost entirely on diegetic elements, with actors performing through speech and natural movement.[2][3] Traditionally, performances of such theatre were termed legitimate drama,[4][2][3] while the abbreviation the legitimate refers to legitimate theatre or drama and legit is a noun referring both to such dramas and actors in these dramas.[4][5][6] Legitimate theatre and dramas are contrasted with other types of stage performance such as musical theatre, farce, revue, melodrama, burlesque and vaudeville,[1][2] as well as recorded performances on film and television.[1]”

by Anonymousreply 148April 2, 2024 3:40 PM

Nonsense from wiki. In no world associated with Broadway would a musical be distinguished from a play on that basis. Pointedly, in the context of WML mystery guests, that pull quote literally makes no sense…nor do you.

by Anonymousreply 149April 2, 2024 4:02 PM

Nonsense from R149. Musicals were not considered "legitimate" theater. Remember Noel Coward's famous cable to Gertrude Lawrence on opening in her first straight play: "Legitimate at last won't mother be pleased?"

by Anonymousreply 150April 2, 2024 5:31 PM

Peter Gable actually died from complications of Amyloidosis.

by Anonymousreply 151April 2, 2024 6:11 PM

More nonsense. The context is mystery guests on a game show. If Arlene asked Gertrude that question, posed to her as a mystery guest, the only possible answer would be “Yes.”

..don’t play stupid on this thread. Can you do that?

by Anonymousreply 152April 2, 2024 6:12 PM

R142 How about the illegitimate theater?

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by Anonymousreply 153April 2, 2024 6:15 PM

Go back and watch every WML available online to see how often that question was asked. Track all of Broadway musical performers who answered that question, and count up Yeses and the Nos. Report back to us.

Hint;99.99% would have answered Yes.

by Anonymousreply 154April 2, 2024 6:19 PM

By the time of What's My Line, R152, Gertrude would have been able to legitimately answer yes.

by Anonymousreply 155April 2, 2024 6:21 PM

[quote]Now, please excuse me. I have to go take some Bisodol for the indigestion I got from Anacin and ReaLemon.

It's nice to know that all three of those brands still exist.

by Anonymousreply 156April 2, 2024 6:40 PM

So, if "legitimate theatre" on WML referred to both straight plays and musicals on Broadway, what were the panelists distinguishing it from? I don't think they meant off-Broadway or regional theater.

by Anonymousreply 157April 2, 2024 7:02 PM

Just how many sponsors did the show have over the years?

by Anonymousreply 158April 2, 2024 7:03 PM

[quote] Just how many sponsors did the show have over the years?

I associate the early '60s shows with Kellogg's ... of Battle Creek.

by Anonymousreply 159April 2, 2024 7:22 PM

R157. Vaudeville, burlesque, tv

by Anonymousreply 160April 2, 2024 7:25 PM

A simple question to narrow things down. Similar to are you known for films. Or, if they knew the guest was in tv, they would ask if on the coast, etc. etc. This line of questioning isn’t too difficult to comprehend. Or is it?

by Anonymousreply 161April 2, 2024 7:28 PM

[quote]So, if "legitimate theatre" on WML referred to both straight plays and musicals on Broadway, what were the panelists distinguishing it from?

Vaudeville and burly-Q.

by Anonymousreply 162April 2, 2024 7:42 PM

[quote]Remember Noel Coward's famous cable to Gertrude Lawrence on opening in her first straight play: "Legitimate at last won't mother be pleased?"

Yes, r150, and I'm also familiar with Gertie's note to a certain Miss Carrington.

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by Anonymousreply 163April 2, 2024 8:15 PM

Can you imagine Dorothy and Arlene spritzing on some Stoppette?

by Anonymousreply 164April 2, 2024 9:22 PM

Does it go under the arms?

by Anonymousreply 165April 2, 2024 9:28 PM

[quote]Can you imagine Dorothy and Arlene spritzing on some Stoppette?

You didn't spritz, r164, you...poofed.

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by Anonymousreply 166April 2, 2024 9:37 PM

Mr Stopette had Man Power.

by Anonymousreply 167April 2, 2024 9:45 PM

Shampoo With Egg

by Anonymousreply 168April 2, 2024 10:41 PM

Stopette was pre-aerosol!

by Anonymousreply 169April 2, 2024 10:47 PM

In the R145 show has Daly put on weight or is his jacket just bulky?

by Anonymousreply 170April 2, 2024 10:49 PM

[quote]Peter Gable actually died from complications of Amyloidosis.

Who was he--Clark's son?

by Anonymousreply 171April 2, 2024 11:24 PM

[quote]Vaudeville and burly-Q.

Somethin' wrong with STRIPPIN'?

by Anonymousreply 172April 2, 2024 11:25 PM

I'd have thought Steve McQueen would have had his arm twisted mightily to drag his hot ass over to WML in 1966 to publicize The Sand Pebbles but he's actually quite game and eager to stump the panel and charm the audience.

Fun clip! Shows how WML was still bringing in the biggest stars of the moment in its final years.

by Anonymousreply 173April 3, 2024 12:31 PM

Since he pretended to be Walter Brennan here's the real Walter Brennan.

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by Anonymousreply 174April 3, 2024 1:18 PM

Dr. Tom Dooley is ready to fly right outta there.

by Anonymousreply 175April 3, 2024 1:22 PM

Walter Brennan 3 time Academy Award winner. Only 2 other male actors Daniel Day-Lewis and Jack Nicholson have won that many.

by Anonymousreply 176April 3, 2024 2:02 PM

When I first watched that Dr. Tom Dooley WML clip years ago, it set me on a search for info about the man. Absolutely fascinating! Can't believe there hasn't been a film about him.

Or has there? Great gay American story that needs to be remembered.

by Anonymousreply 177April 3, 2024 2:48 PM

Tom Dooley would be dead within 14 months of the airing of his appearance on WML.

by Anonymousreply 178April 3, 2024 2:55 PM

I'm not sure it's as great a story as you think R177. He made a lot up. For instance:

In one long passage, he described a priest who, he said, had been hung by his feet and beaten for defying a Viet Minh order to stop saying Mass at night. When Dooley encountered him, he was “lying on a bamboo stretcher, writhing in agony, his lips moving in silent prayer. When I pulled away the dirty blanket, I found that his body was a mass of blackened flesh from the shoulders to the knees. The belly was hard and distended, and the scrotum swollen to the size of a football. I gave him a shot of morphine and inserted a large needle in the scrotum in an attempt to draw off some of the fluid.”

Dooley provided a compelling catalogue of horrors. But, as U.S. officials knew early on, the horrors were completely unsubstantiated. None of Dooley’s correspondence, official or personal, describes the atrocities, that, in his book, he attributes to the communists. There are no corroborating accounts in the war diaries kept by Navy commanders nor in anything Dooley wrote during the operation."

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by Anonymousreply 179April 3, 2024 3:08 PM

[quote]Fun clip! Shows how WML was still bringing in the biggest stars of the moment in its final years.

No other game show got the big names that WML was able to.

Password actually also did pretty well in that department but nothing compared to WML.

Not to go off track, but how's this for an odd game show guest:

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by Anonymousreply 180April 3, 2024 3:25 PM

If Dooley was a fake, it would make an even better movie.

by Anonymousreply 181April 3, 2024 4:32 PM

What I like was how the country was so much less news obsessed. They could have high ranking politicians on and the panel still wouldn't recognize them.

by Anonymousreply 182April 3, 2024 4:44 PM

[quote]I'm not sure it's as great a story as you think [R177]. He made a lot up.

Is that so wrong?

by Anonymousreply 183April 3, 2024 5:03 PM

R182 I think you're making an incorrect assumption about the country having been less news obsessed.

by Anonymousreply 184April 3, 2024 5:30 PM

Yes. Because during this period the nightly news wasn't just 15 minutes long. Plus I believe it was 1953 when CNN, FOX, MSNBC, ANN, The Drudge Report, and widespread use of the internet started. You are correct. I retract my statement. They did consume just as much news.

by Anonymousreply 185April 3, 2024 5:42 PM

There were many sides to Dooley's story -I think it would make an excellent mini-series or limited cable show. Now, which handsome shirtless hunk should be cast in the role?

by Anonymousreply 186April 3, 2024 6:22 PM

Timothee!

by Anonymousreply 187April 3, 2024 6:25 PM

1953? I hope that was a typo and not what you really believe.....or maybe it's just the punctuation.....

by Anonymousreply 188April 3, 2024 6:26 PM

Learn about sarcasm, r188.

by Anonymousreply 189April 3, 2024 6:37 PM

Yeah, I think exploring Dooley's lies would only enhance his story.

by Anonymousreply 190April 3, 2024 7:01 PM

r180, Sondheim barely even needed Lee's clues to guess the answers.

by Anonymousreply 191April 3, 2024 7:04 PM

It also helped that they were extremely close friends, R191. At one point they even considered marriage (knowing his sexuality).

by Anonymousreply 192April 3, 2024 7:11 PM

I love Sondheim's bohemian intellectual hair style and upper east side accent.

by Anonymousreply 193April 3, 2024 7:16 PM

[quote]Password actually also did pretty well in that department but nothing compared to WML.

But they never got Ann Miller!

[quote]Asked what she was doing for Passover, Ann reportedly replied, “I don’t do game shows.”

by Anonymousreply 194April 3, 2024 9:00 PM

There was already a song.

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by Anonymousreply 195April 3, 2024 9:24 PM

[quote]R122 During their meeting, Jessel put an arm around Temple while taking off his pants. He then grabbed the 35 year-old Temple's breasts.

Trivia (not related to grabbing)

David O. Selznick hired model Anita Colby to help style his female stars’ images. Assessing the grown Temple, she noted the actress had the most beautiful breasts in Hollywood. “Better than Monroe, better than anybody.”

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by Anonymousreply 196April 3, 2024 9:43 PM

You're kidding, right, r195?

by Anonymousreply 197April 3, 2024 9:44 PM

He's only a century or so off R197

by Anonymousreply 198April 3, 2024 9:47 PM

Anita Colby...

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by Anonymousreply 199April 3, 2024 9:48 PM

Rochester.

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by Anonymousreply 200April 3, 2024 9:51 PM

The Texan fire hydrant salesman is cute.

by Anonymousreply 201April 3, 2024 9:58 PM

I'm not r195, but I remember as a child that Kingston Trio song coming out around the time of Dr. Tom Dooley's fame and thinking it was about the same person. I doubt I was alone.

by Anonymousreply 202April 3, 2024 10:51 PM

Stephen Sondheim never met a shampoo he liked (or used).

by Anonymousreply 203April 3, 2024 10:52 PM

These WML threads are so damned civilized we haven't even gotten to Arlene Francis' 2 murders yet.

by Anonymousreply 204April 3, 2024 10:52 PM

R185 I'll try not to be as sarcastic as you were. In the 50's, everyone read newspapers. There were multiple newspapers in big cities, and there were multiple editions of most papers every day. There were also many popular news magazines, there were newsreel theaters, and there was radio. People were very well informed.

by Anonymousreply 205April 3, 2024 11:36 PM

I always got him mixed up with Howdy Dooley.

by Anonymousreply 206April 3, 2024 11:37 PM

A newsstand in the '60s.

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by Anonymousreply 207April 3, 2024 11:48 PM

[quote]What I like was how the country was so much less news obsessed.

True.

We got 2 different Philadelphia newspapers a day. And the weekly Look magazine and Life Magazine. That I think was pretty standard at the time.

You watched the nightly news, but it was brief and the presentation was dry.

It can't even begin to compare with what we have to today, how we are inundated with information 24 hours a day, and with easy reach...just take your phone out of your pocket.

by Anonymousreply 208April 4, 2024 12:29 AM

R205 the younger, the more stupid...thus it ever was.

by Anonymousreply 209April 4, 2024 12:29 AM

Especially on TTTT & IGaS, I've noticed that the panelists did not recognize lots of athletes, either current or from the past. I think their images - if not names - were not then as prominently on display.

by Anonymousreply 210April 4, 2024 12:34 AM

R209 I was born in the '50s. If you mean me.

Personally I find younger people to be less well informed than my parents and relatives were. Maybe they weren't news "obsessed" but then I don't know too many people who are that, now. Just because it's there, 24/7, doesn't mean people are obsessed with it.

Dorothy Kilgallen surely wouldn't have been uninformed about current events. Otherwise you shouldn't make assumptions about "people" based on an actress, a publisher, and some actors and comedians on one network game show.

by Anonymousreply 211April 4, 2024 12:37 AM

Arlene was framed, R204!

by Anonymousreply 212April 4, 2024 1:41 AM

R211 my comment wasn’t diereted at you?! Put on your readers…

by Anonymousreply 213April 4, 2024 1:43 AM

[quote]r204 we haven't even gotten to Arlene Francis' 2 murders yet.

Did she kill somebody when her trademark diamond heart pendant was ripped from her neck??

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by Anonymousreply 214April 4, 2024 2:02 AM

Her two “murders”? One involved a car accident on a slick road (leading her to sustain a concussion which may or may not have triggered her eventual Alzheimer’s). The other involved some heavy object that fell to the ground from her high-rise apartment while she was not home, killing a passerby tourist from Detroit in NYC to celebrate a milestone birthday.

by Anonymousreply 215April 4, 2024 2:26 AM

Was Arlene the real JFK assassin??

by Anonymousreply 216April 4, 2024 2:29 AM

If you can believe it, until the 1960s most major league athletes had other (non-sports related) jobs during the seasons their sports weren't in play. And I believe seasons and training time were somewhat shorter.

Not sure what this has to do with anything but it might interest the younger DLers and nelly queens here.

by Anonymousreply 217April 4, 2024 2:39 AM

Trivia: At the time of Arlene's car accident, she was appearing on Broadway in "Tchin-Tchin." She and Jack Klugman were co-starring; they were replacements for originals Margaret Leighton and Anthony Quinn.

by Anonymousreply 218April 4, 2024 2:41 AM

[quote] The other involved some heavy object that fell to the ground from her high-rise apartment while she was not home, killing a passerby tourist from Detroit in NYC to celebrate a milestone birthday.

The next day, June 23rd, which just happened to be his birthday, the couple decided to have lunch at the Le Pavillon restaurant at 111 E. 57th St, which is right off of Park Ave. It was about seven minutes walking distance away...

At around 2 PM in the afternoon, Mr. and Mrs. Rodecker finished their meal and exited the restaurant. “Holy cow, that was expensive,” Mr. Rodecker commented to his wife. He added, “But it was worth it. We’re really celebrating.”...

Those were the last words Alvin Rodecker ever spoke. Something fell from the sky and he was knocked out cold on the sidewalk and was bleeding badly.

...it was an 8-pound dumbbell. You know, the type that guys use to build up muscles to impress the ladies.

Mr. Rodecker was rushed to the hospital but, sadly, he didn’t make it...he succumbed to his injuries the very next day.

So where did the killer dumbbell come from? It turns out that the Le Pavillon restaurant was located on the ground floor of Manhattan’s ritziest apartment buildings – the aptly named Ritz Tower – the 41-story home to many people of fortune and fame. And eight floors directly above the exterior canopy of the restaurant was the apartment of actress Arlene Francis and her husband theatrical producer Martin Gabel. Both are virtually forgotten today but were very well-known back then.

by Anonymousreply 219April 4, 2024 2:51 AM

The couple was not in the apartment at the time of the incident. For the previous three weeks, they had been staying in their Mt. Kisco, NY home, which was a bit closer to the Westport, Connecticut summer stock play that Miss Francis was performing in.

Since they knew that their Ritz Tower apartment was going to be unused during this period, the couple decided to get their broken air conditioner fixed. It was a large window unit that left a gaping hole in the window frame when it was removed. To resolve this problem, a temporary screen was installed, but it didn’t sit well in the opening. As a result, two 8-pound dumbbells were wrapped in towels and propped against the screen to keep it firmly in place. Keep in mind that the dumbbells of this time period were all round – they weren’t the flat-sided polygons so commonly used today – that means that they can roll easily.

As you have probably guessed, some sort of action set one of these dumbbells in motion. Investigators quickly learned that Ms. Francis’ secretary Muriel Fleit decided that this particular screen needed cleaning and the maid Effie Turner started to remove it from the window.

As she did so, one of the dumbbells came unwrapped from its towel and rolled across the window ledge. Effie made a quick grab for it, but she was unable to stop its forward momentum. The dumbbell was now in a state of freefall – right down to the sidewalk below where it struck Mr. Rodecker with that fatal blow to his skull.

by Anonymousreply 220April 4, 2024 2:51 AM

A few days later, Ms. Francis was scheduled to appear on the TV show “What’s My Line”, a show on which she was a regular panelist from 1950 to 1975...

In Ms. Francis’ 1978 autobiography, she writes “I was called in Westport, and I came to New York immediately, shattered and unbelieving and covered with guilt. The latter was not because anyone was trying to attach any blame to me, but it was my room, they were my dumbbells, and I couldn’t help feeling that, however inadvertently, I had been responsible for someone’s death.”

Two weeks after the accident, the district attorney’s office announced that after a thorough investigation, it was concluded that there was no evidence of criminal neglect. It was simply an accident stemming from a bizarre sequence of events.

While there was clearly no criminal guilt here, lawsuits certainly did follow. A suit was filed by Mrs. Rodecker in the New York State Supreme Court on January 11th of 1962 against Arlene Francis, her husband Martin Gabel, and the Ritz Towers Hotel for $500,000.

On June 20th, 1962 it was announced that an out-of-court settlement was reached. The couple agreed to pay Katherine Rodecker $175,000, which was covered by their insurance policy. The apartment building coughed up an additional $10,000, for a grand total of $185,000. Mrs. Rodecker’s lawyers took their cut of $41,000. At first glance, $185,000 may not seem like a lot of money for the death of a spouse, but that translates into about $1.4 million dollars in 2012 funds.

by Anonymousreply 221April 4, 2024 2:53 AM

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by Anonymousreply 222April 4, 2024 2:55 AM

[quote]At the time of Arlene's car accident

Fun fact: Arlene's car was a 1962 Oldsmobile 98 convertible

by Anonymousreply 223April 4, 2024 3:11 AM

Does one regularly lift this at a gymnasium or reducing spa?

by Anonymousreply 224April 4, 2024 3:13 AM

Didn't Arlene and Martin already feel bad enough about the tragedy without that "Both are virtually forgotten today but were very well-known back then," jab??

by Anonymousreply 225April 4, 2024 4:45 AM

[quote]R220 Ms. Francis’ secretary Muriel Fleit decided that this particular screen needed cleaning and the maid Effie Turner started to remove it from the window.

I hope fuckin’ Muriel got her OCD ass FIRED… but we all know it was probably hapless Effie who was let go.

by Anonymousreply 226April 4, 2024 4:53 AM

Arlene told Muriel - I'm not mad at you. I'm mad at the dumbbells.

by Anonymousreply 227April 4, 2024 4:55 AM

Arlene was from Boston, and you can’t trust a Boston driver.

by Anonymousreply 228April 4, 2024 4:56 AM

[quote]Didn't Arlene and Martin already feel bad enough about the tragedy without that "Both are virtually forgotten today but were very well-known back then," jab??

That was the real crime here! Arlene, forgotten? Not until the last DL-er has posted his last post.

by Anonymousreply 229April 4, 2024 5:13 AM

Texas sheep and goat rancher.

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by Anonymousreply 230April 4, 2024 6:02 AM

[quote] Didn't Arlene and Martin already feel bad enough about the tragedy without that "Both are virtually forgotten today but were very well-known back then," jab??

Since the source was from 2013, I don't think either would have been aware of the slight.

by Anonymousreply 231April 4, 2024 11:16 AM

And as everyone knows, Arlene Francis and Martin Gabel remain household names long after their death.

by Anonymousreply 232April 4, 2024 12:27 PM

...or deaths.

by Anonymousreply 233April 4, 2024 12:27 PM

Photos of Arlene's car accident and of Muriel Fleit, as well as dumbbell victim Alvin Rodecker.

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by Anonymousreply 234April 4, 2024 5:53 PM

"Homebound Senior Muriel Fleit enjoying a time of conversation with Kathleen Turner, actress, volunteer and friendly visitor to Muriel."

(Scroll down)

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by Anonymousreply 235April 4, 2024 5:58 PM

Gary Cooper

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by Anonymousreply 236April 4, 2024 11:43 PM

R223, but what color? Here's one in white.

Very snazzy car.

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by Anonymousreply 237April 4, 2024 11:43 PM

R173, the most unexpected people were WML fans. Last night, I saw Charles Laughton in a 1960 episode. At the end, he made a point of saying that he and his wife never missed the show and loved the panel. He was emphatic about it.

Maybe Steve McQueen watched – or had watched at some point – WML and liked it.

by Anonymousreply 238April 4, 2024 11:44 PM

R237 It was a white convertible. There are two photos and descriptions of the cars in my post R234. The other car looked destroyed.

by Anonymousreply 239April 4, 2024 11:48 PM

R181, I agree! It would be much more interesting that a hagiography, but in the current political climate any effort to portray Dooley as anything less than saintly – or, at a minimum, purely a victim of homophobia to explain his fakery – would fail. If it were made, a truly honest biopic of Dooley would be condemned by chorus of strident voices, including many here at the DL. Best to leave it alone.

Sadly, Dooley knew he was dying when appeared on WML. The surgery he had shortly before the episode had revealed advanced melanoma. He knew the prognosis was poor; being a physician, he would have understood better than most what that meant.

by Anonymousreply 240April 4, 2024 11:49 PM

R205, all true. What we didn’t have was social media, so most people’s opinions stayed appropriately private. Also, the standards for public expression and the expectation of respect for public officials were much higher than today. People were interested in the news and kept up with it, probably in a better informed way than today, but the obsessive and one-sided discussion of political minutiae and public expression of rude, ugly and violent opinions were impossible because there was no mechanism for such things.

It was truly a more civilized time, even with all the faults of the era.

by Anonymousreply 241April 4, 2024 11:50 PM

Her right arm in a cast, Arlene returns three weeks later after her deadly car accident.

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by Anonymousreply 242April 4, 2024 11:53 PM

Being informed does not equal news cycle obsessed.

by Anonymousreply 243April 4, 2024 11:55 PM

R237 Actually I'm wrong about the model.

It is a 1962 Oldsmobile convertible but judging from the photo at the link at R234 it is not a 98, it's a Starfire.

The Starfire was meant to compete with the Chrysler 300 letter series and the Pontiac GrandPrix. It was a top-of-the-line luxury/sports model.

Olds was the sponsor in 1962 of the Gary Moore Show (as well as the Miss America Pageant). Florence Henderson was spokesperson for the car, had been since the late 1950s.

Here's Gary, Florence and the Starfire.

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by Anonymousreply 244April 4, 2024 11:56 PM

[quote] All very true. Although, instead of the "public square" of social media, there was literally the public square. I remember being a kid and seeing people making speeches and having political arguments on the Boston Common. There was a tree stump where people would just get up and start making a speech. That doesn't happen any more.

by Anonymousreply 245April 4, 2024 11:59 PM

Arlene Francis is gay and bright on camera, but in private life tragedy pursues her.

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by Anonymousreply 246April 4, 2024 11:59 PM

For R249 ^^

by Anonymousreply 247April 4, 2024 11:59 PM

R247 = Sybil the soothsayer.

by Anonymousreply 248April 5, 2024 12:13 AM

R236 - the bearded whaling captain is handsome.

by Anonymousreply 249April 5, 2024 12:17 AM

Kitty fills in for Arlene the day of her deadly accident. John announced "the unhappy news" that Arlene was "hurt" that day in an automobile accident. He added that "I'm sure that you all will join us in hoping that her place on the panel will very soon find Arlene sitting there." I guess "thoughts & prayers" weren't in the common vernacular in 1963.

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by Anonymousreply 250April 5, 2024 12:26 AM

and he nods to the panel as he exits as if they are royalty.

by Anonymousreply 251April 5, 2024 12:26 AM

What does a helicopter stewardess...do?

by Anonymousreply 252April 5, 2024 12:35 AM

R248

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by Anonymousreply 253April 5, 2024 1:03 AM

Sybil the Soothsayer is a reference to the 1976 film, Network. It's a great film and well worth seeking out. Back when it was released it was absurdist theater. Now, we look back on it as prescient!

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by Anonymousreply 254April 5, 2024 1:09 AM

R254 I've seen it. The reference isn't familiar. But anyway, what does it have to do with my post?

by Anonymousreply 255April 5, 2024 1:16 AM

R252 based on the wolf whistles she is very accommodating.

by Anonymousreply 256April 5, 2024 1:17 AM

R247, your post references a post not yet then in existence.

by Anonymousreply 257April 5, 2024 1:21 AM

It's not like a helicopter has an aisle for a beverage cart, r256.

by Anonymousreply 258April 5, 2024 1:23 AM

[quote]The other car looked destroyed.

The other car is a 1963 Rambler, no match for Arlene's huge Oldsmobile.

by Anonymousreply 259April 5, 2024 2:00 AM

Arlene was driving her agent's car.

by Anonymousreply 260April 5, 2024 2:02 AM

No match for Arlene's agent's huge Oldsmobile.

by Anonymousreply 261April 5, 2024 2:04 AM

C'mon kids, Arlene would want us to remember the good times.

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by Anonymousreply 262April 5, 2024 2:29 AM

Arlene can show you FOUR GAY NEW IDEAS!

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by Anonymousreply 263April 5, 2024 2:55 AM

She would shill for anything!

by Anonymousreply 264April 5, 2024 3:05 AM

A gal's gotta eat.

by Anonymousreply 265April 5, 2024 3:23 AM

I sent that out as a Christmas card one year, r263.

by Anonymousreply 266April 5, 2024 3:43 AM

R250 - Is it a coincidence that Kitty Carlisle has a ballpark resemblance to Arlene?

by Anonymousreply 267April 5, 2024 3:45 AM

I don't see it, R267.

by Anonymousreply 268April 5, 2024 12:35 PM

There is so much about WML that would make an incredible multi-part documentary. There could be episodes devoted to Arlene, Bennett, Dorothy and JCD, one to all the mystery guests, one to the funniest occupations, etc. All the material is already out there . Bennett and Dorothy's children could be interviewed. I wonder if Netflix could see the potential and if it would be popular?

by Anonymousreply 269April 5, 2024 12:59 PM

Well, it would certainly be popular with Dataloungers!

by Anonymousreply 270April 5, 2024 5:36 PM

Yeah a resemblance if Arlene got hit in the face with a ball from the park.

by Anonymousreply 271April 5, 2024 5:46 PM

Contrast & compare...

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by Anonymousreply 272April 5, 2024 5:50 PM

R272 Thanks! That was cool.

Arlene looks more face-lifted than Kitty and seems older

by Anonymousreply 273April 5, 2024 6:54 PM

there was a contestant who was a fitness trainer but she was as big as a house. Wish I could find that episode.

by Anonymousreply 274April 5, 2024 9:49 PM

Patrice Munsel and her little dog.

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by Anonymousreply 275April 5, 2024 9:59 PM

I think it was Patrice Munsel who my mom disliked. Yeah, because she was always doing summer stock musicals in our area. I mean she was the one I was thinking of.

by Anonymousreply 276April 5, 2024 10:07 PM

As an eldergay I'd have to admit Patrice Munsel's fame would probably be very difficult to explain to younger folk watching that WML clip, but she was an enormously popular celebrity in the 1950s. Though a Metropolitan Opera star, she had a reputation as an earthy and funny woman, who often sung popular music and also appeared in theater, TV and night clubs, a rare combo back then and perhaps still today.

Years ago (1970) I was an apprentice at a summer stock theater where she came through in a touring production of I Do! I Do!, billed alone above the title, even though it's a two hander. I remember her as a real trouper, very friendly and accessible and actually quite wonderful in the show., Her co-star was the handsome B movie star Kerwin Matthews who had delighted me as a gayling in the film The 7th Voyage of Sinbad the Sailor. He wasn't so bad either.

by Anonymousreply 277April 6, 2024 2:25 AM

[quote]Patrice Munsel and her little dog.

Her little dog too?

by Anonymousreply 278April 6, 2024 2:28 AM

I saw Patrice Munsell on B'way in the 1970s in a musical revue with John Raitt, Tammy Grimes, Dick Shawn and Lillian Gish. How's that for a line-up.

by Anonymousreply 279April 6, 2024 2:32 AM

Not a pretty face.

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by Anonymousreply 280April 6, 2024 2:48 AM

Never mind, I think it was Roberta Peters my mom didn't care for.

by Anonymousreply 281April 6, 2024 2:56 AM

On ed Sullivan.

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by Anonymousreply 282April 6, 2024 3:46 AM

Don't care for her dress and she doesn't quite make the high note at the end.

by Anonymousreply 283April 6, 2024 3:50 AM

I have to laugh when she pauses before the end as if to say - what till you hear this!

by Anonymousreply 284April 6, 2024 3:53 AM

...wait...

by Anonymousreply 285April 6, 2024 3:53 AM

[quote]Never mind, I think it was Roberta Peters my mom didn't care for.

Could it have been Anna Moffo?

by Anonymousreply 286April 6, 2024 3:53 AM

Miss Munsel's bus and truck MAME came through town and I helped out backstage as a dresser. Say what you will, but that gal was a trouper. Also she seems to have been a good fit for Carlotta.

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by Anonymousreply 287April 6, 2024 4:13 AM

Roberta seemed like a nice lady.

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by Anonymousreply 288April 6, 2024 4:18 AM

[quote]Could it have been Anna Moffo?

Or Florence Foster Jenkins?

by Anonymousreply 289April 6, 2024 5:07 AM

What about Helen Traubel and Eileen Farrell? They were all over early TV variety hours, Miss Farrell well into the 1980s.

by Anonymousreply 290April 6, 2024 12:43 PM

[quote]Her co-star was the handsome B movie star Kerwin Matthews who had delighted me as a gayling in the film The 7th Voyage of Sinbad the Sailor. He wasn't so bad either.

Kerwin was gay too, ya know.

by Anonymousreply 291April 6, 2024 12:47 PM

Don't think I knew that at the time, r291. I was a teenaged apprentice and he never came onto me.

by Anonymousreply 292April 6, 2024 12:50 PM

Did he show you his sword, r292?

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by Anonymousreply 293April 6, 2024 2:51 PM

No, it was Roberta Peters...I got them mixed up. Peters did do some summer theater after her opera career.

by Anonymousreply 294April 6, 2024 2:55 PM

I saw Peters in Detroit in what might be the worst opera ever written, Menotti's THE LAST SAVAGE. Not sure if it's ever performed these days.

by Anonymousreply 295April 6, 2024 3:20 PM

Roberta Peters hit me in the head with a fondue pot.

by Anonymousreply 296April 6, 2024 3:29 PM

When Kerwin Mathews died at age 81 in 2007, he was survived by his partner of 46 years, whom he had met in 1961. Mathews ran an antique shop after retiring from acting.

by Anonymousreply 297April 6, 2024 6:54 PM

Antique store in the front, tearoom in the rear.

by Anonymousreply 298April 6, 2024 7:05 PM

What would have been the harm in giving Kerwin Matthews billing over the title in I Do! I Do! with Munsel?

by Anonymousreply 299April 6, 2024 7:08 PM

It would've implied that he was a top.

by Anonymousreply 300April 6, 2024 7:08 PM

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by Anonymousreply 301April 6, 2024 7:10 PM

Roberta Peters > Roberta Sherwood

by Anonymousreply 302April 6, 2024 7:12 PM

Gordon looking jowly.

by Anonymousreply 303April 6, 2024 7:43 PM

Gordon had started packing on pounds after "Oklahoma!" and didn't have time to slim down before being called at the last minute to replace Frank Sinatra in "Carousel."

by Anonymousreply 304April 6, 2024 8:15 PM

R277, thank you for the explanation. I am an eldergay (born 1957), but I guess not elder enough to have seen Miss Munsel on television during my childhood. My mother, who liked opera and followed adult popular culture closely right through the ‘60s, would have known who she was, but apparently the occasion to “introduce” me to her never came up. Neither her name nor her face rang even the faintest bells for me when I saw her episode, unlike the other opera stars mentioned above, all of whom are at least somewhat familiar names. Patrice Munsel seemed very nice, funny and down-to-earth person; no wonder she was well-liked by the public.

by Anonymousreply 305April 6, 2024 11:36 PM

My introduction to Patrice Munsel was when she sang around the campfire with the Campfire Girls.

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by Anonymousreply 306April 6, 2024 11:43 PM

Gordon my be jowly there but Yul Brynner never sang those pretty notes in "Shall We Dance?"

by Anonymousreply 307April 7, 2024 2:49 AM

For that matter, neither did Gertrude Lawrence.

by Anonymousreply 308April 7, 2024 2:50 AM

I didn't need to, r308, I was incandescent on stage.

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by Anonymousreply 309April 7, 2024 2:59 AM

[quote]R234 Photos of Arlene's car accident and of Muriel Fleit

Was she heiress to the vast Fleet Enema empire?

by Anonymousreply 310April 7, 2024 4:24 AM

The congressional pageboy wears fruit loops.

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by Anonymousreply 311April 7, 2024 5:04 AM

I don't know why Daly is so astounded that Dorothy guesses Peter Lawford. He uses his own speaking voice and it is quite distinctive.

by Anonymousreply 312April 7, 2024 5:17 AM

We're you born on the continent?

by Anonymousreply 313April 7, 2024 5:35 AM

Miss Universe 1963, hosted by John Daly and Miss Arlene Francis!

MC on stage: it’s Gene Rayburn

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by Anonymousreply 314April 7, 2024 12:07 PM

For someone who fancied himself a serious newsman, John certainly did a lot of slumming.

by Anonymousreply 315April 7, 2024 6:41 PM

[quote]Miss Universe 1963, hosted by John Daly and Miss Arlene Francis!

"Does the service you provide involve wearing a tiara?"

by Anonymousreply 316April 7, 2024 7:08 PM

A direct line from Arlene to Trump ;)

by Anonymousreply 317April 7, 2024 7:48 PM

Bennet Cerf and Kitty Carlisle were judges for the Miss America pageant, back when it was a big deal.

Hard to believe today, but the 1962 Miss America pageant is still ranked as one of the most highly watched TV broadcasts of all time.

by Anonymousreply 318April 7, 2024 7:49 PM

R318. John Daly hosted the first televised Miss America, won by Miss California-Catwoman Lee Meriwether.

by Anonymousreply 319April 7, 2024 7:53 PM

The highest rated pageant in Nielsen history

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by Anonymousreply 320April 7, 2024 7:54 PM

Ex-c-u-u-u-s-e me, r319, you mean Lee *Ann* Meriwether.

by Anonymousreply 321April 7, 2024 7:58 PM

Lee Ann *Cat* Meriwether

by Anonymousreply 322April 7, 2024 7:59 PM

Pat was the merriest widow of all at Lincoln Center.

And unlike other ladies, when you hear Pat belting, it's not because her voice dropped or she'd lost her upper register. She'd go back and forth between the two registers pretty seamlessly, even post-menopause.

There was obit on her somewhere that mentioned she had a pet ocelot that she'd take on tour with her and she liked nude sunbathing. I'm sure she'd have loved the DL.

Pat has interviews with Betty Rogge AND Bobbi Wygant on YouTube. She was on the road a LOT.

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by Anonymousreply 323April 7, 2024 8:13 PM

The Miss America video reminded me what an important event that was in many households, including mine in suburban Detroit. We CARED who won and took so much of that cheesy grandeur seriously. When Miss Michigan won in 1961, it was just about a holiday in our home. We even stood in line months later when she appeared in Cobo Hall, just to walk pass her on her throne to bask in her smile. Yikes. And the winner was always a celeb. Look how often they appeared on WML, especially if one of the cast members was a judge. Do they even broadcast the ceremony now?

by Anonymousreply 324April 7, 2024 8:36 PM

Arlene tells the Statue of Liberty Elevator Operator to loosen up, boy!

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by Anonymousreply 325April 7, 2024 8:56 PM

Just for R324. The future Mrs. Jim Lange, Miss Michigan is the winner—one of the you youngest-ever winners.

She went hippie, sort of…got her teaching credential from Berkeley in the 60s. ;)

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by Anonymousreply 326April 7, 2024 9:04 PM

R324, At the end of every year, Variety would publish the top rated 100 television shows of the year.

The top 5 would always include the Academy Awards, the Miss America Pageant, a World Series game, a Bob Hope Special and the Super Bowl.

by Anonymousreply 327April 7, 2024 10:24 PM

Another eldergay who religiously watched the Miss America pageant as a tiny gayling and really thought the winner was the female counterpart to the POTUS.

by Anonymousreply 328April 7, 2024 10:56 PM

I'm watching Mission: Impossible. Lee Ann Meriwether is in a cell and Cinnamon has to pretend to be her. So from what I can tell, Cinnamon has a Lee Ann Meriwether mask on and a Cinnamon mask over that.

by Anonymousreply 329April 7, 2024 11:01 PM

R324, I have similar memories. My parents didn't care much about Miss America, but my grandparents did, and I watched at their house, with the bonus that they had a color TV before we did. Miss America in color! I would get excited and look forward to watching for days ahead of time. The Miss America pageant was right up there with the Academy Awards and Christmas Eve as red-letter nights in my childhood life.

Are there any comparable televised events today besides the Super Bowl? I think the SB is the only remaining national TV event, which is why I think it should move to Monday and be made a national holiday. We need as many unifying experiences as possible in our fragmented and fractious society.

by Anonymousreply 330April 7, 2024 11:35 PM

Thanks, r330. I used to get teary when Bert Parks sang that theme song.. This isn't to say my family wasn't sensitive to the camp appeal of the how. Some of the talent portions were hilariously bad.

by Anonymousreply 331April 7, 2024 11:49 PM

[quote] I used to get teary when Bert Parks sang that theme song.

Yeah, me too. It still makes me a little moist-eyed because of the nostalgia.

As for the camp appeal, you had to know my grandmother. She would have been right at home on the DL in that there was nothing and no one she wouldn't mock except her own family; we were exempt. Her harsh and hilarious judgments of the various Miss America contestants were a highlight of the ceremony for little me.

by Anonymousreply 332April 7, 2024 11:55 PM

Bert Parks was the host of the pilot episode of Hollywood Squares.

by Anonymousreply 333April 8, 2024 12:09 AM

I would watch the pageants with my parents as a kid. I recall that each year my individual pick from the first presentation of the candidates would end up either the winner to the runner up. My mom picked up on my strange talent after a few times and would applaud when my choice would wind at the top at the end.

by Anonymousreply 334April 8, 2024 12:15 AM

[quote]Another eldergay who religiously watched the Miss America pageant as a tiny gayling and really thought the winner was the female counterpart to the POTUS.

LOL. True!

by Anonymousreply 335April 8, 2024 12:22 AM

R333, Bert Parks replaced Robert Preston in The Music Man on Broadway.

by Anonymousreply 336April 8, 2024 12:24 AM

Actually, r336, it was Preston, Eddie Albert, Preston (again) and then Parks.

by Anonymousreply 337April 8, 2024 12:29 AM

[quote]Yeah, me too. It still makes me a little moist-eyed because of the nostalgia.

Ok if you want to get teary eyed watch the clip below.

1971 gave us Follies but over at the Miss America Pageant in 1970 they did a segment that eerily echos a theme of that show's story.

Go over to 5:09 of the video and be sure to watch to the end at 9:34.

It is a scene right out of Follies' "Beautiful Girls"

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by Anonymousreply 338April 8, 2024 12:36 AM

Hmmmm......Bess Myerson and Marilyn VanDebur were most noticeably absent form that lineup.

by Anonymousreply 339April 8, 2024 2:30 AM

Bess did host the show many times though, however in 1969 she became head of the NYC Department of Consumer Affairs. She probably no longer wanted to be associated with pageants and game shows.

by Anonymousreply 340April 8, 2024 2:54 AM

Did Bess Myerson or Betsy Palmer ever appear on WML on the panel or as a mystery guest?

by Anonymousreply 341April 8, 2024 2:55 AM

The Betsy

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by Anonymousreply 342April 8, 2024 2:57 AM

Betsy as panelist.

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by Anonymousreply 343April 8, 2024 3:12 AM

Post IGaS, Bess & Betsy together again, joining forces in 1970 in opposition to the Vietnam War.

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by Anonymousreply 344April 8, 2024 11:39 AM

R318 People always watched Miss America. I mean, what was there to watch? YouTube, Netflix? If we didn't want to watch what little there was on TV, we had to play the radio, or a record - or read.

by Anonymousreply 345April 8, 2024 4:02 PM

Red buttoned.

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by Anonymousreply 346April 8, 2024 7:34 PM

I probably watch at least 50 episodes of WML over the last several months. It's entertaining, at times educational and somewhat nostalgic.

by Anonymousreply 347April 8, 2024 7:37 PM

Handsome Arnold Palmer.

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by Anonymousreply 348April 8, 2024 7:41 PM

Wally Bruner the host of the syndicated WML from 1968-72 married one of the contestants.

Richard Dawson also married a Family Feud contestant.

Wally Bruner resembled Charlie Gibson of GMA/ABC News fame.

Those are my random thoughts about old gameshows for today.

by Anonymousreply 349April 8, 2024 7:42 PM

[quote] Wally Bruner the host of the syndicated WML from 1968-72 married one of the contestants.

Is the episode where they met on YouTube? I don't think it is.

by Anonymousreply 350April 8, 2024 7:45 PM

R348 second player is Michael Jackson! No, not him. This is a cutie rock'n'roll disc jockey.

by Anonymousreply 351April 8, 2024 7:48 PM

[quote]Wally Bruner the host of the syndicated WML from 1968-72 married one of the contestants.

[quote]Richard Dawson also married a Family Feud contestant.

Exactly how did that happen? The contestants don't really get one on one time with the host..

by Anonymousreply 352April 8, 2024 7:51 PM

This Michael Jackson? Any L.A. eldergay knew him from talk radio…

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by Anonymousreply 353April 8, 2024 7:52 PM

Family Feud contestants swapped spit with Richard Dawson. All that kissing was disgusting. He actually stopped kissing the contestants after he married the contestant at his contestant wife's request.

I'm sure both Wally and Richard would have had no problem getting contact info for a contestant that sparked their interest.

by Anonymousreply 354April 8, 2024 8:00 PM

R246

[quote] Red Buttons

That cunt

by Anonymousreply 355April 8, 2024 8:08 PM

That's OSCAR winner Red Buttons!

by Anonymousreply 356April 8, 2024 8:15 PM

Do you do this near or in water?

by Anonymousreply 357April 8, 2024 8:19 PM

R354 that kissing was gross and who knows what got transmitted

by Anonymousreply 358April 8, 2024 10:15 PM

[quote]R340 Bess did host the show many times though, however in 1969 she became head of the NYC Department of Consumer Affairs. She probably no longer wanted to be associated with pageants and game shows.

Maybe THEY didn’t want to be associated with a shoplifting jailbird?

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[italic]”Myerson allegedly stole $44 worth of nail polish, batteries, earrings and shoes from a department store in Williamsport in May while she was going to visit her boyfriend, Carl Capasso, who is imprisoned for tax fraud.”

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by Anonymousreply 359April 8, 2024 11:29 PM

That was many, many years later. Duh.

by Anonymousreply 360April 9, 2024 12:17 AM

Can that dog Dotty play the piano? I didn't think so.

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by Anonymousreply 361April 9, 2024 12:40 AM

Betsy...

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by Anonymousreply 362April 9, 2024 12:43 AM

Has there been a Bess Myerson biopic? There should be. She lived at least four lives.

by Anonymousreply 363April 9, 2024 12:50 AM

Frank Fontaine.

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by Anonymousreply 364April 9, 2024 12:59 AM

I just know if I had finally gotten a ticket to attend a taping of What's My Line?, instead of a Sofia Loren or a Bette Davis as Mystery Guest, I would have gotten Frank Fontaine.

by Anonymousreply 365April 9, 2024 1:06 AM

The Crazy Guggenheim character was one of my earliest memories.

by Anonymousreply 366April 9, 2024 1:10 AM

Dorothy stands for the 77 year old chiropractor in R364

by Anonymousreply 367April 9, 2024 1:13 AM

R364, back then people in their 70s & beyond were afforded a level of respect that is no longer displayed.

by Anonymousreply 368April 9, 2024 1:17 AM

Frank Fontaine was a big fella. And 11 children!

by Anonymousreply 369April 9, 2024 1:23 AM

If I had gotten tickets I would have gotten that nobody her brought her little dog with her.

by Anonymousreply 370April 9, 2024 1:27 AM

Especially in the early years, the mystery guests seemed to enjoy not being identified. That seemed to change.

by Anonymousreply 371April 9, 2024 1:35 AM

Maybe that's because in the early years the mystery guests sometimes weren't that famous.

by Anonymousreply 372April 9, 2024 2:19 AM

I was thinking about that. If a celebrity wanted to be identified or not. I think I'd be insulted if they didn't get me. LOL

by Anonymousreply 373April 9, 2024 2:25 AM

In Gil Fates book, he wrote about Bob Hope being pissed because the panel pretended not to recognize who he was, thereby limiting the time he had to promote his upcoming project.

by Anonymousreply 374April 9, 2024 2:33 AM

There were some celebrities that were just hysterical as mystery guests. There voices were just so distinctive. Bette Davis, Joan Crawford, Lucy, John Wayne, some others too. Lucy was the most obvious.

by Anonymousreply 375April 9, 2024 2:37 AM

The syndicated show had to scrape the bottom of the barrel at times to fill the mystery guest slot. And then, because of the contestant demonstrations John would never allow, the panel often only had a couple of minutes to guess the identity of the “celebrity.”

by Anonymousreply 376April 9, 2024 2:38 AM

Re R348 can see why Dina Merrill was said to be the new Grace Kelly.

by Anonymousreply 377April 9, 2024 3:53 AM

Dina Merrill was well on her way to being A list. Then she just gave up. She was pretty honest about having too much money to be as hungry as other actresses in getting parts. She didn't have to put up with the crap. About two years ago she was my internet obsession.

by Anonymousreply 378April 9, 2024 3:57 AM

That bow on Arlene's dress in R348 looks like it's attacking her.

by Anonymousreply 379April 9, 2024 4:04 AM

Do you have change for the pay phone?

by Anonymousreply 380April 9, 2024 4:17 AM

R369, Frank Fontaine is buried in a Medford, MA cemetery in the same row as my aunt.

by Anonymousreply 381April 9, 2024 9:42 AM

R378, Dina Merrill lived to 93 and still remained attractive.

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by Anonymousreply 382April 9, 2024 9:45 AM

Her husband.

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by Anonymousreply 383April 9, 2024 11:16 AM

People magazine

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by Anonymousreply 384April 9, 2024 11:20 AM

So. Are you all done?

by Anonymousreply 385April 9, 2024 10:00 PM

Who thought this was a good idea?

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by Anonymousreply 386April 9, 2024 10:29 PM

Did I ever meet you in a bar in Tijuana?

by Anonymousreply 387April 9, 2024 10:35 PM

I pass.

by Anonymousreply 388April 9, 2024 10:45 PM

I pass.

by Anonymousreply 389April 10, 2024 1:49 AM

I endorsed.

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by Anonymousreply 390April 10, 2024 2:30 AM

Are you currently a favorite of the bobby-soxer crowd?

by Anonymousreply 391April 10, 2024 3:35 AM

Was Barbara Eden ever on the show? Saw a great interview with her today that was done on her 92nd birthday. She still looks fabulous and shows no signs of mental loss.

by Anonymousreply 392April 10, 2024 3:49 AM

No.

by Anonymousreply 393April 10, 2024 3:54 AM

At least in the earlier years, WML played up the contestants trying to fool the panelists - & win their meager cash prizes. As the years went by that aspect of the game, like the walk by & free guess, that went by the wayside.

by Anonymousreply 394April 10, 2024 11:19 AM

R394, Those were time saving eliminations.

by Anonymousreply 395April 10, 2024 12:31 PM

R394, $50.00 in 1955 would be $575.00 in 2024.

by Anonymousreply 396April 10, 2024 12:32 PM

[quote] $50.00 in 1955 would be $575.00 in 2024.

Not exactly the competing $64,000, though.

by Anonymousreply 397April 10, 2024 1:18 PM

Yeah, you have to remember that WML smartly rode out the huge quiz show scandals of the mid-1950s, so even if (supposedly) Steve Allen might have been given some hints about his line of questioning to make things funnier, the show stayed on the up and up and survived.

by Anonymousreply 398April 10, 2024 1:29 PM

Aha found the chubby dietician at a reducing farm.

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by Anonymousreply 399April 10, 2024 3:29 PM

[quote]Was Barbara Eden ever on the show? Saw a great interview with her today that was done on her 92nd birthday. She still looks fabulous and shows no signs of mental loss.

Not that there was much to lose.

by Anonymousreply 400April 10, 2024 4:55 PM

R392 . . .

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by Anonymousreply 401April 10, 2024 5:37 PM

R399 - followed by the curvaceous stockbroker.

by Anonymousreply 402April 10, 2024 7:46 PM

No Vivian Vance?

by Anonymousreply 403April 10, 2024 9:19 PM

You rang?

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by Anonymousreply 404April 10, 2024 9:42 PM

The makeup man seems to have over-powdered Arlene in R399

by Anonymousreply 405April 11, 2024 2:12 AM

The shortie lighthouse keeper reminds me of William Shatner.

by Anonymousreply 406April 11, 2024 3:39 AM

"Does your service bring pleasure to people in one of the large theaters on Broadway?"

by Anonymousreply 407April 11, 2024 7:45 AM

Thanks, r404!

by Anonymousreply 408April 11, 2024 12:55 PM

[quote]"Does your service bring pleasure to people in one of the large theaters on Broadway?"

"Yes. It's called the Gaiety."

by Anonymousreply 409April 11, 2024 2:46 PM

Would I get strange looks if I carried your product down 5th Ave.?

What about Amsterdam Ave. ("shudder")?

by Anonymousreply 410April 11, 2024 3:09 PM

Fellow murderer, Robert Blake, preceded him by one year!

by Anonymousreply 411April 11, 2024 3:18 PM

Are we wearing blindfolds because one or more of us would recognize you instantly?

by Anonymousreply 412April 11, 2024 3:41 PM

The lyrics to Sammy Davis's version of The Lady Is a Tramp includes a nod to our Dorothy.

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by Anonymousreply 413April 11, 2024 3:48 PM

R392: Why must people bring a relative nobody like her into this. "I Dream of Jeannie" was generations ago and a cheap knockoff of "Bewitched".

by Anonymousreply 414April 11, 2024 4:15 PM

Do you live in a bottle?

by Anonymousreply 415April 11, 2024 4:20 PM

R415 And is it bigger than a bread box?

by Anonymousreply 416April 11, 2024 4:23 PM

Have you recently, say within the last six months, played a manicurist on The Andy Griffith show?

by Anonymousreply 417April 11, 2024 4:25 PM

How very dare you, R414!?! My god! Barbara Eden was a guest star on I Love Lucy. Doesn't that entitle her to a modicum of respect on DL? She was in classic films like Will Success Spoil Rock Hunter, Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea, Five Weeks in a Balloon, The Wonderful World of the Brothers Grimm, The Brass Bottle... Those films are much loved (or at least talked about) here. Not to mention Harper Valley PTA or the camp classic The Stranger Within! Hell, she was even in a TV version of Kismet where she got to snuggle up to DL fave George Chakiris. What's My Line certainly had mystery guests with fewer IMDB credits and/or less popular appeal.

Climb down off your high horse, bub.

by Anonymousreply 418April 11, 2024 4:27 PM

Don't forget Jeannie's Fifty Load Weekend.

by Anonymousreply 419April 11, 2024 4:29 PM

Did a famous red head once bedazzle a piece of your wardrobe?

by Anonymousreply 420April 11, 2024 4:31 PM

R418 WML didn't a lot of sitcom actors unless they were previously stars in film or theatre.

by Anonymousreply 421April 11, 2024 4:34 PM

[quote][R418] WML didn't a lot of sitcom actors unless they were previously stars in film or theatre.

LEGITIMATE theatre!

by Anonymousreply 422April 11, 2024 4:44 PM

"Didn't [get] a lot of sitcom actors" is not the same as "Never had," R421. The point is, they did have TV people on. Barbara Eden could easily have been on the panel for an episode. She was a familiar TV face, even in those pre-Jeannie days. I am not suggesting she would have been a brilliant player (who knows?) -just that her appearance on the show in one form or another would hardly have raised eyebrows.

by Anonymousreply 423April 11, 2024 4:50 PM

Barbara Eden would have been the first mystery guest they didn't need a blindfold for.

by Anonymousreply 424April 11, 2024 4:56 PM

I recall this ABC Movie of the Week earning a huge rating in 1971.

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by Anonymousreply 425April 11, 2024 6:01 PM

The Edenites have landed.

by Anonymousreply 426April 11, 2024 6:13 PM

Was Grace Kelly ever a guest?

by Anonymousreply 427April 11, 2024 6:15 PM

No.

by Anonymousreply 428April 11, 2024 6:17 PM

Thanks, r428.

by Anonymousreply 429April 11, 2024 6:20 PM

But Grace was alluded to several times because of the Royal Wedding, one of that era's biggest events. I remember the news coverage vividly, Dorothy attended, of course. Did Arlene? If not, she must have been pissed.

by Anonymousreply 430April 11, 2024 6:58 PM

[quote] She was a familiar TV face, even in those pre-Jeannie days.

No she was not.

Not enough of a star to be a household name or a Mystery Guest on WML?

There were no movies starring Barbra Eden. No B'Way plays or musicals. There was a sitcom before Jeannie but it was in syndication not a network show and it made zero impact.

by Anonymousreply 431April 11, 2024 7:01 PM

Millionaire...

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by Anonymousreply 432April 11, 2024 7:11 PM

[quote]Barbara Eden reflects on her classic TV series "How To Marry A Millionaire?" - documentary interview

It wasn't a "classic" tv series.

It was not a network show and was never even shown in most markets. It was short lived and never even shown in reruns.

It was aired on the NTA Film Network...have you ever even heard of it?

by Anonymousreply 433April 11, 2024 7:56 PM

Hey, r433, chill. I never called it a classic and only posted it because it's an enjoyable interview. Oh, and by the way...yes I was familiar with it.

by Anonymousreply 434April 11, 2024 8:03 PM

R378 Grace Kelly could act.

by Anonymousreply 435April 11, 2024 8:20 PM

I am so freaking impressed that you whores managed to get 4 about to enter 5 threads out of this topic. Bravo!!!👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏

by Anonymousreply 436April 11, 2024 8:22 PM

Actually, How to Marry a Millionaire only ever seemed to be shown in reruns. I can remember watching it on many Sunday afternoons in my long ago misspent youth. But I agree, it was never a hit show, lasted only one season, and Barbara Eden only became a TV star with I Dream of Jeannie.

I agree with the upthread poster who said that WML mystery guests were never (well, very rarely) TV stars unless they'd previously been movie or radio stars, like Ann Sothern, Lucy, Walter Brennan, Robert Young & Jane Wyatt, Ozzie & Harriet, Anne Jeffreys & Robert Sterling. Even when Richard Chamberlain appeared he did so with his Dr. Kildare co-star Raymond Massey.

Come to think of it, Vince Edwards, star of TV's Ben Casey was one of the rare TV star exceptions.

by Anonymousreply 437April 11, 2024 8:59 PM

"Grace Kelly could act."

Sez you

by Anonymousreply 438April 11, 2024 9:47 PM

Laurence Harvey primping his hair is funny.

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by Anonymousreply 439April 11, 2024 10:28 PM

a pity nothing else he does is funny.

by Anonymousreply 440April 11, 2024 10:30 PM

Not only that, R440, it’s not his hair.

by Anonymousreply 441April 11, 2024 10:42 PM

I'm amazed (well, not really... this is DL) at how a simple question about whether Barbara Eden ever appeared on What's My Line has devolved into so much bitterness. By the time of the syndicated version of the show she certainly could have been on as either a panelist or mystery guest. Since she evidently never did, it's not really a point worth fighting over. Even on Datalounge.

by Anonymousreply 442April 11, 2024 11:14 PM

Was there ever a Mystery Guest who was the star of a syndicated TV show on an independent network? No.

by Anonymousreply 443April 11, 2024 11:19 PM

R443, Not during the original run, 1950-1967.

by Anonymousreply 444April 11, 2024 11:22 PM

What is considered an independent network?

by Anonymousreply 445April 11, 2024 11:25 PM

Robert Taylor hosted and sometimes starred in Death Valley Days, a syndicated show.

by Anonymousreply 446April 11, 2024 11:27 PM

(Taylor hosted 1966-69, during the syndicated run.)

by Anonymousreply 447April 11, 2024 11:29 PM

[quote]Was there ever a Mystery Guest who was the star of a syndicated TV show on an independent network?

There was no such thing as an "independent network" in the '50s. And arguably there has never been. If it's a network, it's not "independent."

by Anonymousreply 448April 11, 2024 11:32 PM

When Reagan ran for Governor, he was replaced by others including Rosemary DeCamp, who had done 20 Mule Team Borax commercials on the show.

by Anonymousreply 449April 11, 2024 11:33 PM

The biggest syndicated shows during WML's run were probably "Highway Patrol" with Broderick Crawford, who had had featured roles in films and "Sea Hunt" with Lloyd Bridges, who had had small roles in films and starred in some Grade Z features. Neither seems to have appeared on WML.

by Anonymousreply 450April 11, 2024 11:37 PM

[quote] There was no such thing as an "independent network" in the '50s. And arguably there has never been. If it's a network, it's not "independent."

There was the DuMont network.

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by Anonymousreply 451April 11, 2024 11:52 PM

R437, Raymond Burr also appeared; ditto Richard Chamberlain and Raymond Massey (linked below because I think the Burr episode has been linked already in one of the threads). Even so, you're right that there were relative few television actors compared to other media. I don’t think it was entirely anti-TV snobbery. What was Arlene, after all, but a TV star? Without her television work, nobody outside New York (and few New Yorkers, for that matter) would have had the slightest idea who she was. And Bennett became the household name he was – enabling all those lecture tours – because of WML. Otherwise, he would have been no better known than any other big-time publisher.

One reason for the lack of TV people was probably geographic. By 1960, nearly all TV shows were filmed in Los Angeles, and they generally didn’t require the splashy promotional tours that movies did. Fewer TV stars would be in New York. I don’t get the feeling that the WML producers went out and solicited people from any medium to come to NY to appear on the show, so there were fewer TV stars as potential mystery guests.

But the producers, or whoever booked the guests, did not shy away from television. If James Arness (for example) had been in NY and willing to appear on WML, I think the show and the panel would have been happy to have him.

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by Anonymousreply 452April 12, 2024 12:16 AM

“WML?” especially catered to performers on CBS programs for mystery guests.

by Anonymousreply 453April 12, 2024 12:19 AM

I'd also add that in the 1950s, most stars of TV series were former movie stars (or at least actors familiar to the public from their movie careers) because the new medium required big and /or familiar names to get people to buy television sets and tune in. Thus, most TV stars were older in the 1950s, too. There were few shows that starred actors under 30. Night time TV was not aimed at teenagers and children.

In the early 1960s, New York was still broadcasting lots of TV shows, dramatic series and variety hours and series were still shot in NYC. It wasn't until Johnny Carson moved The Tonight Show to the West Coast - was that in 1965? - that things started changing.

by Anonymousreply 454April 12, 2024 12:43 AM

R450 B Crawford had a Best Actor Oscar.

by Anonymousreply 455April 12, 2024 12:46 AM

I always giggle at how much Dorothy futzes with her hair and false eyelashes after removing her mask.

by Anonymousreply 456April 12, 2024 12:50 AM

I got the distinct impression that JCD wasn't very enamored with Laurence Harvey.

by Anonymousreply 457April 12, 2024 12:51 AM

[quote] It wasn't until Johnny Carson moved The Tonight Show to the West Coast - was that in 1965? - that things started changing.

The move didn't take place until 1972.

by Anonymousreply 458April 12, 2024 12:53 AM

R457, Daly was ready to strangle Salvador Dali.

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by Anonymousreply 459April 12, 2024 1:05 AM

Did they ever have Pandora Spocks on?

by Anonymousreply 460April 12, 2024 1:43 AM

R457 - I didn't notice any problem between Daly and Laurence Harvey. I did bristle when he called Arlene dear but then he kissed her on the way out so hopefully it was meant as a term of enDEARment.

by Anonymousreply 461April 12, 2024 1:47 AM

Laurence Harvey was a fag.

by Anonymousreply 462April 12, 2024 1:49 AM

Horst Buchholz was on What's My Line in 1962 when he was at his most gorgeous.

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by Anonymousreply 463April 12, 2024 1:50 AM

It's my hair. I paid for it.

by Anonymousreply 464April 12, 2024 1:51 AM

Wasn't Laurence Harvey notoriously difficult to work with?

by Anonymousreply 465April 12, 2024 1:52 AM

[quote]Wasn't Laurence Harvey notoriously difficult to work with?

He hit Stanwyck in the head with a fondue pot during the filming of Walk on the Wild Side.

by Anonymousreply 466April 12, 2024 2:00 AM

She got away lucky. He hit Angela with a dildo while filming The Manchurian Candidate.

by Anonymousreply 467April 12, 2024 2:07 AM

He said kissing me was like kissing a bottle of beer......I told him to kiss my ass he might like that better.

by Anonymousreply 468April 12, 2024 2:08 AM

Of course, Horst B. co-starred with our Arlene in Billy Wilder's One, Two, Three!

They seemed to adore each other. He was bisexual, you know.

by Anonymousreply 469April 12, 2024 2:36 AM

^^^

Yeah, but that shiny suit & beautiful beaded choker are the bomb.

No wonder Dotty was so sour faced.

by Anonymousreply 470April 12, 2024 3:15 AM

Horst was hot, as well as bisexual. And you got to see a lot of him in One Two Three!

by Anonymousreply 471April 12, 2024 3:16 AM

Was Buddy Hackett likes a second-rate Jerry Lewis?

by Anonymousreply 472April 12, 2024 3:31 AM

...like...

by Anonymousreply 473April 12, 2024 3:31 AM

I liked Buddy. He was the only buffoon who filled the spot that didn't ruin the episode. He was good on Hollywood Squares too. I don't know anything else he's done.

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by Anonymousreply 474April 12, 2024 3:41 AM

[quote]I don't know anything else he's done.

Shipoopi, r474.

by Anonymousreply 475April 12, 2024 3:43 AM

The Love Bug?

by Anonymousreply 476April 12, 2024 3:47 AM

Jerry Lewis and Lou Costello.

by Anonymousreply 477April 12, 2024 4:35 AM

He starred in a Broadway musical, "I Had a Ball."

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by Anonymousreply 478April 12, 2024 7:43 AM

Never found Buddy funny.

by Anonymousreply 479April 12, 2024 8:04 AM

I found the mushroom picker more entertaining than the Horst.

by Anonymousreply 480April 12, 2024 10:12 AM

Why is that Billy Wilder film called One Two Three? I remember liking the film but can't remember the meaning of the (awful) title.

by Anonymousreply 481April 12, 2024 1:01 PM

R481 . . .

“It is based on the 1929 Hungarian one-act play Egy, kettő, három by Ferenc Molnár, with a "plot borrowed partly from" Ninotchka, a 1939 film co-written by Wilder.”

by Anonymousreply 482April 12, 2024 1:15 PM

Thanks, r482, but I still don't get the meaning of the title no matter what it's based on. Also, don't remember any similarities to Ninotchka.

by Anonymousreply 483April 12, 2024 1:25 PM

I liked One Two Three when Horst was going on a political rant while he was in his underwear and James Cagney said: 'Put your pants on, Spartacus!'

And the Communists tortured a guy by playing "Itsy Bitsy Teeny Weeny Yellow Polka Dot Bikini" off center on a little record player.

And the guy looked in the closet and saw a dress with balloons in it and told his friend there was a girl in there with blue tits....

HA! And closing gag was great!

by Anonymousreply 484April 12, 2024 1:57 PM

In the film, “one, two, three” is Cagny’s way of saying “right now!” or “ASAP!”

The entire movie is performed at a breakneck pace and hinges on Cagny’s unmatched proficiency with rapid fire dialogue.

by Anonymousreply 485April 12, 2024 2:12 PM

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by Anonymousreply 486April 12, 2024 2:15 PM

Shirley Booth praises Arlene’s performance in “One, Two, Three” @ 22:45.

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by Anonymousreply 487April 12, 2024 2:21 PM

Where's Elaine Stritch?

by Anonymousreply 488April 12, 2024 2:26 PM

Laurence Harvey was supposed to have been a prick.

by Anonymousreply 489April 12, 2024 3:20 PM

And liked them, too!

by Anonymousreply 490April 12, 2024 4:56 PM

Except for calling the WML producer fat, Shirley Booth was so darn gracious!

by Anonymousreply 491April 12, 2024 5:37 PM

Throughout the film, Cagney's character barks out orders at breakneck speed, usually calling out lists for people to do. He repeatedly says, "One: Two: Three: ..." so the title refers to the main character's catchphrase. The play it's based on has instructions in the script that dialogue should be delivered rapidly, and director Billy Wilder clearly took that to heart.

by Anonymousreply 492April 12, 2024 6:42 PM

He didn’t have to take it to heart—all he did was cast(ed) Cagney.

by Anonymousreply 493April 12, 2024 7:07 PM

Did Johnny Carson have his ears done since 1962 and R487?

by Anonymousreply 494April 12, 2024 7:25 PM

Arlene seems delighted by all the Navy pilots. Maybe because Martin is not on the panel.

by Anonymousreply 495April 12, 2024 7:32 PM

Those navy boys mmmm mmmmm

by Anonymousreply 496April 12, 2024 8:34 PM

short clip of Arlene in One, Two, Three

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by Anonymousreply 497April 12, 2024 8:41 PM

The full one two three if you want..

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