Nepo baby: stupid envy-driven shit

That's a nice and good thing for the dentist fam. I can't stand the I don't do anything important because no one showed me what to do attitude that annoys me the most of comments like that op

It's appropriate when talking about someone talentless like Billie Lourd but meaningless when you're talking about someone who gets to fly standby because his stepdad works for United.

Except a dentist is required to obtain qualifications to prove they have the knowledge and skills.

What are you babbling about, OP? What specifically has your fat panties in a wad?

r3 is correct. Because acting doesn't require any kind of training or degree (though some people do go to acting school) it is easier for people to make it based on nepotism or connections.

Likely the parents never gave the kid a real understanding of what he/she could do. Bad parenting in my opinion because otherwise what are the chances that a son of a dentist becomes a dentist?

Anyone who says that a dentist's son becoming a dentist is a form of nepotism clearly has no idea what nepotism is.

Thank you, Jamie Lee, but this is not your Instagram.

Exactly, R7, like idiot OP.

The son of a dentist becoming a dentist isn't nepotism. But, the son might benefit if he can take over the parent's practice or maybe buy the practice at a reduced cost.

My dentist worked with his dad and then eventually took over the practice. I'm sure he's filthy rich. It doesn't seem like a stupid career path.

Spoken by a true nepo. And it really only applies to unattractive and untalented models and actors who got a break from who they are related to.

R12 Why does it only apply to people in the entertainment industry? I've used OP's example in another thread about "nepo babies". The children of doctors, lawyers, and scientists become doctors and lawyers and scientists all the time and no one bats an eye. But for some reason people are SHOCKED that actors and models aren't churning out CPAs and geologists.

r13 are you incapable of the distinction? To be a doctor, lawyer, scientist, geologist or even a CPA, you need to have some actual qualifications to SHOW you are capable of performing the duties (i.e. you passed some major exams and educational qualifications).

This is not the case for actors/performers/musicians.

Surely you can now discern the difference.

R14 Dump got into and graduated from Wharton Business school. Would you say he was "qualified" for that? Your chances of getting into a quality law or medical school are exponentially greater if you're a legacy applicant.

"Business" degrees are a very different animal.

Also, being a legacy admission and actually passing the tests for doctor, lawyer, geologist, CPA, scientist aren't mutually exclusive. One can be a legacy admission for these fields/schools, but they STILL HAVE TO PASS THE TESTS.

Again, being a Business graduate is a completely different animal and I'm sure with the right amount of $$ thrown at the given school, someone can graduate with an MBA.

I'm not really all that bowled over by someone with an MBA, to be honest. It doesn't mean too much to me.

R16 The point is that it makes a lot of sense that kids who are raised with a parent or parents who are very successful in a particular industry will not only have the genes for an interest/talent in that industry, but also the resources and connections to more easily step into it themselves. But for some reason it's only seen as reprehensible when it's entertainer's kids doing it.

Also, just "passing the test" doesn't mean you'll be a good doctor or lawyer. You can just barely pass and graduate at the bottom of your class, but you're still technically licensed.

r18 none of what you've said changes things. If you can't see the difference, I'm sorry for you.

R19 None of what I said changes what?

Sigh. You have to pass certain tests and gain certain certifications to be any of the things I listed in my previous posts (dolt). You DON'T have to pass any tests or certifications to become "someone" in the Entertainment field (the ORIGINAL POINT OF THIS THREAD, before you added in "Business" to the mix). You just need an endless amount of money for a publicist and your parent(s) name to get you in the door (and beyond).

In the fields (besides Business) other than Entertainment, yes, your parents money may have gotten you a legacy entrance, but they didn't gain you license or certification to practice in these fields, and if you are shitty at your job and fuck up, you will lose said license/certification to practice.

AGAIN, MBAs ARE A GODDAMN DIFFERENT ANIMAL.

That's the last time I'm going to try to explain the fucking obvious to you.

R21 I'm sorry, are successful entertainers whose parents were nurses and plumbers receiving some kind of legitimizing professional education/licensing that their children are not? If said "nepo baby" attends Yale School of Drama or The New School, does that disqualify them from "nepo baby" designation? Should successful entertainers be required to disown their children and strip them of their family name and inheritance, maybe force them to perform some kind of walkabout in the wilderness for a year before they are permitted to attend their first audition?

Oh please, r22. Just shut up already.

I think true "nepo babies" - as it's used derisively - is parents (or other relatives) - getting their kids jobs or other opportunities when their kids aren't really qualified - which is admittedly often subjective, but sometimes it's clear. The doctor son of a doctor isn't a nepo baby - he still has to go to undergrad, get into med school, pass his medical boards, get a residency, etc. A doctor parent could maybe help a some with this, but still, the actual work and skill that has to be displayed by the kid is just too much, IMO.

It's really come into fashion in the past few years. I usually see "nepo baby" in relation to those in the arts where parents really can get their kids a leg up. But, many times, the kid runs with that initial parent-provided opportunity and then prove themselves on their own merits (and, yes, other times not). Also, parents pulling strings for their kids is hardly new, and I I really don't blame parents for doing it in any industry. But, I also understand the frustration of people who might not get the same opportunities but have no one to pull strings for them.

Also, I didn't ask you to explain anything to me, you dick blister. You're not "educating" me or anyone else here.

To me the entertainment nepotism babies are mocked because many are talentless and uneducated yet foisted on us like the kids of Kardashians, the Will Smiths and Beyonce, Madonna, etc.

The CEO at my work has is a nepo baby with ADHD. I’m part Sicilian, but he’s way better at throwing spaghetti to the wall.

Has is* oh dear it IS it IS

I mostly hear it from people who are jealous that they couldn’t get jobs on SNL or Broadway or in Hollywood. And there’s some truth to the idea that a basic lack of connections sets you back ten years in any entertainment career. It IS frustrating for the winner of every talent show and the lead in every Columbus OH school play to end up turning tricks in Jersey because they’re nobody once they leave OH.

I don’t hear it with most other careers because nothing else is as aspirational or as difficult to obtain. Unless you’re the elf on Rudolph it’s no BFD to be a dentist.

Imagine dying on a nepo baby hill. OP, you could always take up a cause that actually benefits people if you have too much time and passion on your hands. Nepo babies will be just fine without your advocacy.

Nepo babies of the world unite, your Great Promised Defender has arrived.

(whose parents were also Great Promised Nepo Baby Defenders)

Opportunities in the acting/entertainment world are so few, and desired by so many, that nepotism and sexual favors play a much larger role than they would do in any other industry.

"But, many times, the kid runs with that initial parent-provided opportunity and then prove themselves on their own merits (and, yes, other times not)."

The point is they have that initial parent-provided opportunity.

It may get your foot in the door, but it's no guarantee of success. Look at the Gummer girls or Bruce and Demi's brood.

"It may get your foot in the door, but it's no guarantee of success. "

It gets the fucking foot in the door. That is the fucking difference.

You go ahead and eat nepo baby shit, OP, I for one am a proud nepophobe.

R35 Take your blood pressure pills before that blood vessel in your eye pops again.

r37 book some passage on a cruise called "Reality."

But then again, you probably would always have the means to book a stateroom, so never mind.

R38

As a significant number of people on this thread appear to be confused, allow me to explain.

Yes, being a dentist requires certification.

Yes, being an actor does not.

What being an actor (or musician, etc.) does require is the talent to get butts in seats.

Madonna's kids (for example) have an unfair leg up (perhaps) because of their mother.

But no amount of that will get them an audience if people don't like what they're selling.

Calling Jamie Lee Curtis (for example) a nepo baby only makes sense if nobody ever liked her acting.

And yeah, I am aware that there are people here convinced she is Satan's talent-free twin.

I liked in her in Halloween. And evidently so did most of the people who saw her in it.

A partial list of "nepo babies" would include people the whole of the Barrymore family, Crystal Gayle, Michael Douglas, Robert Downey Jr., Liza Minelli, Whitney Houston, Laura Dern, Carrie Fisher, Sigourney Weaver, Jean Renoir, Sean Austin, Josh Brolin, George Clooney and Patricia Arquette.

Now you can tell me the above have no talent at all.

And I'll tell you you're a dumb cunt.

HTH

"What being an actor (or musician, etc.) does require is the talent to get butts in seats."

This is true regardless of whether the actor or musician has family connections are not.

The difference is the initial opportunity. Are you are really this dense?

R41m how long does that initial opportunity last?

My guess is "as long as Mommy and Daddy pay for it."

How unreasonable is it to think "Shall I go with someone new to the field or someone raised in it who knows the culture?"

To put it bluntly: a true nepo baby is their parents' plaything. And everyone knows how that goes.

If you can't deliver audiences long term, you are not nothing to nobody in Hollywood.

And if you are a spoiled cunt (paging Tatum O'Neil...) then even if you actually have talent you're still dropped fasted than a sack of moldy potatoes.

OP - you're the only one on this entire thread who seems to be confused.

Who are you? Name names! Tell us who you are, and die with your convictions!

My name is Bette Davis Gregory Peck Claudette Colbert the Fifth.

R44, it has to be someone who's both very stupid and very insecure. I can think of a few possibilities!

Nepo babies don't have to fuck and suck their way in the door.

Some very salient points that have been made to OP.

Let's keep them coming, as OP seems very limited in understanding the world at large.

Yes the nepos of any industry or profession, whether actor, dentist or plumber, have to prove themselves somehow, with test scores or talent or ability. Lots of children of actors fall by the way side because they just don’t have the talent it takes to sustain a career in the same way that there are many children of lawyers who got a legacy into law school but then failed to pass the bar.

The problem is that the school years of the lawyer’s son are spent away from sight whereas those same years of an actor’s son are spent in small roles other more talented people spend their whole lives hoping to land. The talentless bore will fail but in the meantime he will have had a small limited career on screen that he never deserved. And that’s the unfair part.

OP being deliberately ignorant. Of course it isn’t nepo to get an actual college education, graduate, and practice as a doctor, lawyer, etc.

[quote]How unreasonable is it to think "Shall I go with someone new to the field or someone raised in it who knows the culture?"

What a moronic statement. Just being a child of an actor doesn't mean you know the first thing about the culture, nor are they raised in it. Christ, you only need listen to the nepo brats try to defend themselves to instantly see they don't have the first idea about showbiz - such as when they say stuff like "my mom and dad only got my foot in the door" as if that's not the hardest part.

And as for them having to be a draw, or their career ends - explain Dakota Johnson to me then. You think a non-nepo baby would get away with shitting on her own project like she's just done? If they flop they have mommy and daddy call in even more favours.

[quote]Dump got into and graduated from Wharton Business school.

It's a well known fact that Dump cheated his way through and his peers can attest to that. Not to mention, he just barely passed, not exactly top of his class.

[quote]Why does it only apply to people in the entertainment industry? I've used OP's example in another thread about "nepo babies". The children of doctors, lawyers, and scientists become doctors and lawyers and scientists all the time and no one bats an eye. But for some reason people are SHOCKED that actors and models aren't churning out CPAs and geologists.

Instead of using professions that you have to study for for years, and therefore have worked hard enough to obtain the jobs you're taking over - why don't you just use the example of a family restaurant. If your dad owns a sandwich shop and you take over the shop, we would never say a Nepo Baby? Businesses are passed down through families all of the time. And what parent wouldn't do anything they could to secure a future for their child, IF they had the power to do so? Nepo Baby is such stupid thing to say. Entertainment is a business. If the daughter of so-and-so is going to put more asses in seats than some no name, who do you think they are going to chose?

Part of the key to being a Nepo baby is the doors open just for who your parents are. No medical clinic or hospital is going to make you one of their doctors or dentists just because they know your parents name. You still need to spend 8 years of school, professional training, pass industry tests by independent sources to PROVE YOU ARE QUALIFIED before you could even think about using a parents name to open a door.

Why does this post and OP give me the vibe some Neop baby is posting here, panties in a wad because his type is being called out?

OP, the only way that’s nepotism is if the parent somehow got them the job without the child haven’t to pass medical school. You’re an idiot.

[wiote] The son of a dentist becoming a dentist isn't nepotism. But, the son might benefit if he can take over the parent's practice or maybe buy the practice at a reduced cost.

That’s not nepotism.

[quote] The son of a dentist becoming a dentist isn't nepotism. But, the son might benefit if he can take over the parent's practice or maybe buy the practice at a reduced cost.

That’s not nepotism.

OP = Zoe “no-talent hatchet face” Kravitz

Defending nepo babies is as bad as being a billionaire fan boy.

Besides the qualification issue, there are plenty of channels for anyone to become a dentist. That’s not the case for Hollywood and music industry opportunities. It’s especially egregious when their failure is overlooked, and they are continued to be put in things to ‘make them happen’. An incompetent dentist is going to go down pretty quickly.

R60 what is silly is whining about nepotism in Hollywood AS IF it's some egalitarian industry to begin with. That is childlike. It never has been nor will it ever be. Nepotism is just ONE of the many things that people use to their advantage over actual talent. At least as a "Nepo Baby" (I hate that term) you come into the field with a lifelong's worth of knowledge of how the industry works and not just some giant tits.

I think the nepo-baby tag is one of the silliest things to come out of the last couple of years. Parents helping their kids, giving them a leg up, has been going on since the caveman days. Everything is in this life is about who you know.

People think of it differently because being rich AND famous is the ultimate dream, and they didn't even have to struggle to attain it. Who wouldn't be envious of that? That's perfectly natural.

[quote] Calling Jamie Lee Curtis (for example) a nepo baby only makes sense if nobody ever liked her acting.

Bullshit, R40/OP. She is a textbook def of nepo baby. It's about getting in the door through the unfair advantage of having famous parents. Period.

And what is extremely silly is that the people who are whining about it aren't even in the industry themselves. They are whining over someone else's missed chance which just means you have absolutely nothing going on in your own life if you are pre-occupied with this. And that's probably the real problem. R64 being a perfect example.

If the US was a functioning meritocracy, there would be a lot less nitpicking about this. Meaning, the issue isn't that the son of a dentist becomes a dentist. Or that children from well-off families are afforded good opportunities. It's that children from poor and working class families have to overcome unnecessary and sometimes nearly insurmountable obstacles to enter the professional/middle class. Deep rage is bubbling to the surface from the working/lower classes because they are realizing they simply don't have a chance at a secure and decent life and never really did.

Whining over nepotism in Hollywood is displaced aggression over your life not going anywhere - the idea that someone has a leg-up over you. People used to made of stronger stuff that sill things like this didn't actually bother them - didn't even cross their mind.

[quote]Deep rage is bubbling to the surface from the working/lower classes because they are realizing they simply don't have a chance at a secure and decent life and never really did.

And debating whether or not Jamie Lee Curtis deserves her 50 year long career is not going to solve that.

[Crystal Gayle]

Is she a nepo baby? Who were her parents?

That nepo baby label is really just coming from people who cherish their victim role. Often the label inappropriate and just an expression of envy. And even when somebody really made their life because of pure nepotism - it doesn't mean anything for the complainer who puts the label on. Get your own act together and see that you make the best out of your own situation. Complaining about others won't help you. Maybe it's not fair when others get ahead with help. But you need to look after yourself and see how you can improve your own life.

[quote]If the US was a functioning meritocracy, there would be a lot less nitpicking about this.

When has the US EVER been a functioning meritocracy? The problem is that the internet has made more people keenly aware of what they don't have.

wierd how solidly anti nepo this board is given the widespread support of the Windsors.

It's a nonsense argument even if someone's parents didn't open doors for them, there is always some factor that gives someone else a leg up over another person. That's just the way the world works and sometimes it means you have to just try a little bit harder and work a little bit smarter.

Setting aside that the OP is clearly trying to get a rise out of people, the sad reality that the majority of people probably don't understand the distinction and view the world like OP claims is why so many people are OUTRAGED at the unfairness of the world.

This thread pairs nicely with "Celebs whose kids are total fuck-ups" in humor way.

Actual Adults are OUTRAGED by how unfair the world is R73? The crazy thing is that in the total history of human existence, the world probably hasn't been more fair than it is right now.

Becoming a dentist is not a privilege, and leads to a boring and disgusting life. Most people who set out to be a dentist can accomplish it if they have the talent. There are not many dentist wannabes.

Succeeding in acting, in contrast, is glamorous and exciting and success is like being hit by lightning. For everyone who succeeds there are tens of thousands who fail.

So in show business, connections are deeply resented by the wannabes.

Anyone who craves celebrity and the spotlight is a fucked up person. If I were a rich persons kid I'd take my trust fund, travel and live quietly.

R75 curious why you think being a dentist leads to a disgusting, boring life? They make great money, can travel and send their kids to good schools.

Methinks we have a ridiculous troll.

That doesn't make sense. A dentist has to pass certain exams and qualifications to work as a professional. Even if you are rich and your father is a dentist, if you are too dumb/lazy to pass the qualifications you can't get your license.

Not the same as some dumb fug kid of a celebrity becoming a so-called "model", actor, or musician despite having no talent whatsoever.

Is OP Lourdes or Northwest?

Its not the advantage, its the fact that they all act like they worked so hard and their parents names didn't get them through the door LOL

Just own it and stop being delusional.

If you enjoy dealing with other people’s tooth decay all day, go for it, r77

P.S. Dentist have extremely high rates of suicide. It’s not because they’re having fun.

The hygienists do that R81. The dentists these days just checks their work, consults and looks at xrays and may have to do minor extractions.

My dentist drills.

[quote]its the fact that they all act like they worked so hard and their parents names didn't get them through the door

Because in many ways they do. If a door opened because of your parents you have two options; be a lazy bum and just let stuff come to you or work super hard to prove your worth and that you belong. It's not easy being the child of someone famous.

[quote] Not the same as some dumb fug kid of a celebrity becoming a so-called "model", actor, or musician despite having no talent whatsoever.

I resemble that remark.

[quote]Dentist have extremely high rates of suicide. It’s not because they’re having fun.

And celebrities have high rates of drug abuse, alcoholism and ods. Kind of a slow suicide. Most of the celebrity spawn that are foisted on the disgusted public are soulless, dead-eyed addicts.

There are some people that seem to have raised their spawn decently. Ron Howard's daughter seems sweet, the Streep daughters seem well-grounded but then those parents seemed to keep their kids out of the public eye growing up. Seems the ones who have issues are the ones shoved in front of cameras and papped out as soon as attention whore parents popped them out.

[quote] Most of the celebrity spawn that are foisted on the disgusted public are soulless, dead-eyed addicts.

Right.

R65/R67, you really are a dolt. No one is whining about Jamie Lee Curtis or anyone else just because someone points out the prevalence of nepostism in the entertainment industry.

Nor is it about pulling up your bootstraps. I'm not even in the same field as JLC or anyone of these silly nepo babies.

[quote] That nepo baby label is really just coming from people who cherish their victim role. Often the label inappropriate and just an expression of envy. And even when somebody really made their life because of pure nepotism - it doesn't mean anything for the complainer who puts the label on. Get your own act together and see that you make the best out of your own situation. Complaining about others won't help you. Maybe it's not fair when others get ahead with help. But you need to look after yourself and see how you can improve your own life.

I agree, a lot of it has to do with envy, and complaining about others getting ahead with help does nothing to help the complainer. This is OT, but when I was growing up, my mom constantly complained about others getting help in life or having certain nice things or experiences. My mom grew up poor. My maternal grandfather was a farmer and my maternal grandmother never worked outside the home. My dad grew up a bit more comfortable as my paternal grandfather worked in mining and my paternal grandmother was a librarian. They weren't rich and my dad was one of seven kids. But, my paternal grandparents were able to take their kids on occasional vacations and they had nice birthday and Christmas presents. One time we were visiting my paternal grandma and she cleaned out one of her sheds and found a train set that belonged to my dad. My dad was happy to see the train set and my mom had to piss on the parade by saying how her parents could never afford train sets and other toys for their kids.

Later on, when we went home my dad laid into her and said that her bitching about not having certain toys as a kid does nothing to help her and it doesn't change the past. My dad said that he was sick and tired of her always complaining about others being given things that sometimes didn't always ask for. There had been another time when one of my cousins on my dad's side of the family was offered a paid cruise trip by her in-laws for her one-year wedding anniversary. My cousin and her husband hadn't been expecting it and it was a total surprise. They were telling us about the offer during a Christmas get-together and of course, my mom had to make a whiny comment about "how my cousin's in-laws were spoiling them".

My mom is a huge hypocrite. She used to bitch constantly about people helping their grown kids and grandchildren with money or other resources. My sister had a son with an ex-boyfriend. They broke up when my nephew was five and the ex moved to a neighboring state. My sister could have found ways to get child support from him, but she didn't. There were plenty of times my parents helped my sister pay her bills and there were several Christmases in which my parents gave my nephew video game consoles, TVs, computers, iPads, and other expensive items. These days whenever my mom bitches about people helping their kids or grandkids or giving them trips or other expensive items as gifts, I remind my mom that she and my dad have helped my sister out numerous times.

I admit that I do get envious of help or things that other people have received. But, I always end up remembering my dad saying that complaining about others being given certain things or receiving help doesn't help. I don't try to shame people for getting help either because there are many difficult situations. A close friend's husband died of ALS several years ago and it took major hit on their finances. She recived help from her parents and in-laws and when her husband was alive they attended a support group. They learned early on that if anyone mentioned getting help from relatives or in-laws others in the group would complain about how they aren't getting help from family. I did give my friend and her husband grocery gift cards several times and it was between me and them. Envy can be awful and it's just best to not complain about others getting help in life.

That's quite a screed, R90.

No, it's not about envy or whining. It's about the nature of show business--children and other relatives of stars have an unfair advantage in pursuing careers because of who their parents are. Period.

There’s no “fairness” in show business.

No, R92, nor does it have to do with envy or whining to point out the unfairness.

I’ll share a relevant example in real business.

A guy was raised by a dad in the securities industry. When he got out of school, dad got him a job being mentored by now JP Morgan CEO Jamie Dimon.

Guy is now a CEO himself of one of the nation’s largest banks.

Let me tell you something about LA, many people living there are getting some kind of extra help from somewhere. Their parents may not be A list stars or can get them a decent agent, but a lot of parents in other parts of the country are paying rents and car payments while their LA based kids pursue their dream of stardom. If people are going to complain about nepo babies make sure you include everybody who is getting help.

R95, that's not nepotism. Nepotism has to do with being a success in your field and your kids, etc., getting jobs because of who you are, not merely having a trust fund or handouts from unknown parents.

I know it's not nepotism, but help is help. Someone who doesn't have to worry about went or who has someone paying for acting classes has a leg up on the poor guy who as to wait tables or take orders at In N Out while pursuing a career.

Hooking your kid up with an agent is just hooking your kid up with an agent, they've got to do everything else.

went = rent 😊

Definitely, R97. There are plenty of people who don't have to depend on a day job and that gives them an advantage.

Btw, this is the dictionary definition:

Nepotism: noun. The practice among those with power or influence of favoring relatives, friends, or associates, especially by giving them jobs.

This also includes using the names of parents like, say, Warren Beatty and Annette Bening, Steven Spielberg, etc., etc., etc. to get jobs. That is nepotism by indirect extension.

[quote]No one is whining about Jamie Lee Curtis or anyone else just because someone points out the prevalence of nepostism in the entertainment industry.

R88, you're the dolt, because that is exactly what they are doing. And if in your opinion, if it's not, the what exactly is it about?

R93, I am not sure if you are the same as r88. I love how people say "It's not about pointing out the unfairness.." Then in the next breath, say "It's unfair..." and list the reasons why. Makes absolutely no sense. Can you hear yourselves typing?

R99, we all know the definition of nepotism. No one is saying it doesn't exist. I think people on one side of the argument are say, Who Cares? While the other side is insistent about whining about the unfairness of it all while insisting it's not about the unfairness of it all.

yes, they do have a leg up, r97, but the bigger problem here and in all this Nepo Baby shit is that we have settled for a society in which a few "make it" and everybody else is just left to sink into debt and misery. That is what is so very, very wrong about our whole fucked up and idiotic economy and our moronic ideals. That the goal is to have a few wealthy, lucky, inspired, talented, whatever the fuck people, and everyone else just loses. That has been the New American Dream since the 80s. It's a stupid, shitty dream, and we should get back to the 1950s dream of most people having enough, and a few people having more than enough, with only a few people falling by the wayside (and even those should be helped). We need to abandon Reaganomics in all its shitty forms. Nobody should be left envying a few fuckers in Hollywood or New York or Silicon Valley or wherever because most should have enough to have a decent life regardless.

I haven't read this entire thread, and I'm sure someone has already pointed this out to the idiot OP. Nepotism isn't "following in a parent's footsteps." It is, as the OED says, "the practice among those with power or influence of favoring relatives, friends, or associates, especially by giving them jobs." It's the advantage that comes from associations with people with power. Sometimes that advantage is warranted and sometimes it is not.

R101 here, I mean specifically Nepotism in Hollywood (that has existed for generations) and the very dumb term "Nepo Baby" used as a pejorative to describe people working in the industry who are the children of famous people. Who Cares? Like any of you stood a chance on the big screen, but Emma Roberts stole your spot.

Oh c'mon don't put the everything was better in the 1950s card, because it wasn't.

R100/R101, you got caught using the definition of nepotism incorrectly, because you're stupid. And you stupidly keep digging the hole for yourself. Your big argument seems to be if anyone points out the unfair advantage of children of stars they're whining--rather than merely pointing it out, they're jealous, they're not working hard enough, etc. You've stupidly said this ad nauseam. So apparently you do need to have the definition spelled out, fucking idiot.

And no, idiot R104, Emma Stone didn't have famous parents. No one said she was a nepo baby or stole any spot.

R102, if that is your argument, then I would add going after the children of stars is such a stupid place to focus your energy. Entertainment and how it functions when it comes to the actual product (which has always thrived on favouritism - who you know, who you fuck, who your parents are, how much money you have since its inception) has nothing to do with Reaganomics. It's scapegoat and a lame one at that.

No, I am not saying "everything was better in the 1950s" r105. Of course it wasn't. No I am not talking about recreating the 1950s. Did you honestly think I was? What I am saying is that it was better to try to imagine a society that worked for most people, and extend that from white straight men exclusively to include women, minorities, and gay people, rather than to switch to some winner-take-all society in which only a few rich people benefit and everyone who doesn't get rich for whatever reason is told to kindly "fuck off!"

You are dumb as fuck R106 I said Emma Roberts.

R106 has revealed himself as an idiot.

The daughter of a dentist has to successfully complete education, certifications, licensing and the rest of what goes into her professional career as a dentist.

The daughter of Bruce Willis has to have her chin reduced and then sucks the attention, money, connections and the rest of what goes into her "famous for being the child of someone famous" goodies.

Not understanding the difference shows a deficit, no matter what side of the idiotic "nepo" crap "issue" one is on.

The society you describe r108 has never ever existed. And when you actually look at it - proportionately more people in the world have access to the ability to educate themselves, access to more information as to what is going on in the world around them, access to information that will keep them healthy and sane, access to even fucking art and entertainment and diversions from daily living than they have ever had before.

A poor person with no access to anything can go to a library and listen to Mozart - something that people never heard for themselves for hundreds of years because it was only reserved for the Uber Wealthy. Money has always been concentrated in the hands of a few. BUT in this day and age it is concentrated in the hands of the few because people for the most part GIVE it to them willingly in the exchange for NOT SURVIVAL but CONVENIENCE. That's a huge difference. People are wealthy now because mostly the masses agreed they should be so and made personal decisions to lead towards the wealth of the few. You don't have to buy TESLA, or be on Instagram or Order from Amazon - but we do. We don't have to hand over every little tidbit of our liives that is then traded by these people for more wealth - BUT we do. In the past the wealthy killed the masses for their money or physically subjugated them to the land. Now we just willing give it to them.

And you R109/R110, are a fucking gash, because your stupid, Trumpy argument defending nepotism has been repeatedly proven wrong.

Besides calling me stupidR113, can you actually point out where you believe I am not making sense?

Everywhere, R114. It's been pointed out that you don't know what nepotism is. But congrats because you are still a gash.

And yeah, Emma ROBERTS is a total nepo baby.

Yes, r112, it was always a dream, a better American Dream than the shit we've decided to replace it with. I agree, technology has made it all weirder, but fundamentally, we should return to that previous ideal, and stop heading down this winner-take-all road.

The argument that dentistry has objective qualifications and show business does not is weak. There may not be a licensing exam or a required course of education, but success in show business still demands talent and charisma. The underlying rationale seems to be “anyone can be an actor” which is untrue. Even less true—anyone can be a star.

R116

[quote] success in show business still demands talent and charisma

No, it doesn't.

Exactly 117, the children of celebrities have to bring something to the table. Mamie Gummer is not an A list actress. That Willis girl didn't do anything and it looks like Dakota Johnson is holding on by a thread.

You don’t have to impress or appeal to everyone, r119, but you do need to impress and appeal to quite a few in order to have a career. It’s not something anyone can succeed at.

Everywhere R115? Where exactly did I not understand what Nepotism is? Can you point it out?

Nepotism is what gets them in the door and gets them jobs. If their utter lack of talent dooms them down the line, they were still able to get in the door with little to no talent and take work away from others, and that is the fucking point.

And you are saying what R123, that that is unfair?

What do you call it, R124--fair?

Again, there’s no “fairness” in show business.

Why would there be? Why should they be?

Are you positing a right to a career in show business?

AGAIN, R126--no one said there was fairness, FFS. That's been said and said.

No, R125, I just revert back to my original post at R61. And shaking my head over Grown adults complaining about the unfairness of the world, not just the world - Hollywood - as if they are new the concept.

R127, see R125. I think you maybe the only one arguing your exact point.

R127 meet r125

If the basis for the complaints isn’t “fairness,” what is it?

Gee, R128, thanks for teaching us all that life is unfair (as has been acknowledged multiple times), so don't question or point out any if these things.

How perfectly Trumpy of you.

And what a bullshit thread this is. People just repeat their talking points as if they weren't already answered

Enough of this.

What does Trumpy mean r132?

What is all this fairness in the world in which some of you speak and are lamenting the loss of?

Children of the wealthy and well-connected have all sorts of advantages, but that’s the way society has always been organized. Even in so-called communist societies.

I can kind of understand why legacy college admissions have become a focus of the “fairness” crowd, in that college admissions symbolize opportunity and we like the idea of colleges as a means of offering opportunity to those who might not otherwise get it. (Though I disagree that admission to a particular school is some kind of public resource). But show business?

I think the focus on perceived “unfairness’ in show business (and not, say, firefighter jobs in most city fire departments), is because so many people think they deserve a career as an actor. It is largely about envy.

There are 8 Billion people in the world. Americans live better lives than about 7 Billion of them. Americans ARE Nepo-Babies. I don't see any of you moving away, giving up the advantages of your birth country to make your lives more difficult than it has to be somewhere else. Yet here you are complaining that someone still has more than you while you have more than most of the world. Bunch of hypocrites. I would STFU before the fates reveal to you exactly how unfair the world MOST people live in actually is.

Thank you R136 that was lovely.

There’s nothing hypocritical about Americans wanting more. It’s kind of part of our nature. It might be spiritually advantageous to think of those who have less in other parts of the world, but Americans are not alone in failing to do so.

It's not about hypocrisy r138, it's about stupidity. It's stupid to imagine that the goal is a country with a few rich people and many poor people. It's a stupid goal.

[quote] Bunch of hypocrites

OP = Chet Hanks fucking Lily-Rose Depp while Lewis Pullman jerks off in the corner.

you mist the point r138. The hypocrisy isn't wanting more. The hypocrisy is COMPLAINING that there is someone who has more than you because of the advantages they had while not recognizing the major advantages you have in your own life.

^missed, oh dear myself.

[quote] It's stupid to imagine that the goal is a country with a few rich people and many poor people. It's a stupid goal.

That’s not what I said. I said Americans want more for themselves, not more concentration of wealth.

I disagree that it is hypocrisy to want more, even to resent those who have more. That is human nature. In my own life, I tend to see things as you advise, and recognize that I am fortunate. I find that perspective is better for my personal happiness. But failure to see like in that perspective is not hypocrisy.

^see life

R138 The hypocrisy is whining about Nepo-Babies while being one yourself. That is the short and sweet of it. Americans are Nepo-Babies. And anyone who has traveled the world and has seen what most of it looks like, knows this.

I suspect we largely agree r144, but I would still say just wanting "more" is a problem. We should follow the wise philosophy of Vivian Vance, and strive to have sufficient.

actually it is R146. Resenting people who have more than you while you have so much more than others is hypocrisy. Why resent them?

I find the argument that all Americans a nepo-babies because America is a relatively wealthy country to be kind of silly.

Because wanting more is human nature.

If everyone sat around, satisfied that they had it better than the global poor, we would not be a very vibrant or creative society.

By the definition set out by some on this thread Americans are most definitely "Nepo-Babies" - their word, their definition of it. Think about it.

The desire to want more is NOT the problem. The need to call people out, make them feel bad about the advantages given them in their life because of their parents, when they are walking around with a Golden birth right themselves is the problem - that is the hypocrisy.

Look at R152 rationalizing greed as a motivating, creative force. I kind of agree with you. But if that is the way you feel, then don't complain about people maximizing their advantages over others to get more. That's all.

If you agree with me, r154, the opening of your post is kind of gratuitous and dumb. I am not complaining about people maximizing their advantages. I am criticizing people who make such complaints. I said “there’s no fairness in show business.”

R153–I object to the entire concept of nepo-babies so you will forgive me if I decline your invitation to think about why it is appropriate to apply some people’s definition of the term to all Americans.

In a sense I get why people are pissed off at the whole idea of nepo-babies. Mostly it just tells people what they should have realized already: fantasies of some even-handed meritocracy have always been bullshit, whether in Hollywood or anywhere else. Nobody just shows up anywhere, presents their skills and talents, and gets the right job. It's an idiotic fantasy. Anyone with any experience of the real-world "hiring process" knows what a stupid joke it is. That is why, again and again and again I hope for something different: an "enough" society, where most people get some sufficient life and don't have to depend on some moronic fantasy where the right people are rewarded with riches and all the poor people deserve what they got.

I hate the word as well R156. I think the word Nepo-Baby is idiotic and used by people who don't realize they are being hypocrites because they are greatly advantaged themselves. I was just attempting to bring this to their attention using their own words.

[quote]Actual Adults are OUTRAGED by how unfair the world is [R73]? The crazy thing is that in the total history of human existence, the world probably hasn't been more fair than it is right now.

People are outraged because they made poor choices throughout their lives and now can't live instagram lives. The reality is that intelligence is an inheritable trait. Some people are, in fact, smarter and also work hard to succeed.

It's nor fair that I'm not 6'2" and don't look like a fitness model. Nor is it fair that I'm not an incredibly gifted athlete who makes hundreds of millions by playing a game.

No one whines about "fair" when discussing pro athletes who play games that children started playing while on playgrounds. Yet, here we are.

Not sure everyone is Outraged r159. More like they recognize how silly and filled with luck and mindless bullshit the world is, and have said to themselves, well, maybe we can do something different. Maybe we don't have to keep playing make-believe that everything happens for a reason and everyone is exactly where God has placed them.

No problem with nepo babies in show biz per se as long as they have talent. Too many don't though. However that doesn't necessarily make them immune to the casting couch as we learned from Mira Sorvino and Goop who both had connections but still had to endure Weinstein's advances.

I still admire the show biz parents who shield their kids from the spotlight and encourage an education.

[quote]More like they recognize how silly and filled with luck and mindless bullshit the world is, and have said to themselves, well, maybe we can do something different. Maybe we don't have to keep playing make-believe that everything happens for a reason and everyone is exactly where God has placed them.

And what do they do when they have recognized this r160? How do they make the world a different place? Or do they just find comfort in mouthing the words?

OP, you thick dipshit.

[quote] The dentists these days just checks their work, consults and looks at xrays and may have to do minor extractions.

Dentists have to do precise physical work too. Fillings, root canals, fitting crowns, etc.. All that is tedious and requires precision. Why do you think they get compensated so well? It's certainly more than looking at x-rays. Hygienists are just scraping and polishing teeth.

[quote] Anyone who craves celebrity and the spotlight is a fucked up person.

Well, then most people are fucked up. They did a study that showed that fame is the most valuable currency, more valuable than wealth even. It's like a drug.

I studied acting in school. I never amounted to much of anything at all in that capacity. But one revelation I learned chasing fame and being around other famous people is that it never ends. You are always chasing it. Another important thing I realized is when you're anonymous - you can be anyone, anything at any time. When you're famous you can only be one thing.

Would love to see that study r165. I would love to see the difference between people who think it would be this amazing thing and they'd love it forever and ever and ever, and people who actually have experienced it and know it's mainly bullshit and nonsense.

and how we could ALL make this a better world r162 is to abandon this dingbat ideal of a fake meritocracy awarding a few people with riches and fame, and embrace a SOMEWHAT (not entirely, not even mostly, but a SOMEWHAT) more egalitarian and collectivist vision of a world where everyone gets enough, but that people still have the opportunity to get more if they want it.

But nobody should be without basics. We in the U.S. can more than afford both things.

How do you all feel about the royal family?

Mostly indifferent r169. Somewhat fine that one family is designated to symbolize the nation in a weird arbitrary way (in the way that nations themselves are kind of weird and arbitrary), but that as long as everybody else is given enough to live on, that's fine that one family has more.

Bless your heart R168.

Bless yours too r171. Blessings are fun.

Blessings are fun? I wouldn't exactly describe them as fun. Maybe needed, or godsends, or lifesavers. I have never heard them as being fun. But I know I definitely want to learn more about this crayola-colored lifestyle you adhere to.

Distributing blessings is actually a very fun hobby, and I hope to do more of it. But my crayola-colored lifestyle is more just a simple, and again partial, redistributionist philosophy. It is perfectly possible for us as a society to decide that maybe instead of having a few ultra-rich people at the top, we take some of their wealth and redistribute it to the less wealthy sectors. We can even start with Elon Musk. Take half his wealth, only half, he'd hardly miss it, and give it to the bottom 20 percent. They would use it far more effectively than he will clearly, since he is just fucking around buying companies and driving them into the ground and trying to elect nazis and morons and getting all pissy about interviewers with his ridiculous amount of wealth. There is no reason we need to decide that somebody just HAS to have $200 billion or our whole society falls apart.

You Nazi fuck R174.

If you take half Musk's wealth, what's to stop you taking half of my wealth if I become a billionaire?

nothing r175. Why do you need, or even want a billion dollars? What the fuck is wrong with you?

R174, you are pointing out the obvious. You are stating something things that millions of pages of screeds have been written on, discussed ad infinitum, thousands of people have lost their lives over and wars have been fought over for the past three hundred years - as if you just read it in a library book and informing us how the world should work. And you express it with such earnestness that it is cute. I think there is a handful of global economic systems that espouse what you are saying - but they have never been able to execute it exactly as it should be.

And the fact is, society has decided someone like Elon Musk should be a billionaire because millions of regular folks have given him his billions. That is a conscious decision. It's not like he is selling Air in Space. He isn't selling anything that anyone absolutely needs, yet here we are.

[quote] In a sense I get why people are pissed off at the whole idea of nepo-babies. Mostly it just tells people what they should have realized already: fantasies of some even-handed meritocracy have always been bullshit, whether in Hollywood or anywhere else. Nobody just shows up anywhere, presents their skills and talents, and gets the right job. It's an idiotic fantasy. Anyone with any experience of the real-world "hiring process" knows what a stupid joke it is. That is why, again and again and again I hope for something different: an "enough" society, where most people get some sufficient life and don't have to depend on some moronic fantasy where the right people are rewarded with riches and all the poor people deserve what they got.

I also get why people are annoyed with the idea of nepo babies. But, they also need to accept the real world for what it is.

R178 I agree with you. But I don't even get why people are mad at "Nepo" babies. A good number of them are our favorite actors and actresses of all time and have made some of the best movies. It really is something people say and complain about who haven't taken one iota of a second to really think about what they are saying.

R179 There are several nepo babies that I like as performers. I do sort of get why people get annoyed with the untalented nepo babies.

R176, I would like to state that I was being sarcastic

I think the modelling industry and specifically Kya Gerber are to blame for the backlash and the coining of the phrase "Nepo Baby." She skyrocketed to the top of the modelling industry because of who her mother is, and she is not as beautiful or charismatic as her mom - much to her mom's relief I am sure. Anyone who has a famous parent and long legs is a model now.

Because in my day, people were excited to see a child follow in their parent's footsteps. It wasn't a negative thing. How many of you queens on here would begrudge Liza Minelli and her career? How many people regret that Isabella Rossellini decided to go into acting? How many great movies have Michael Douglas or Melanie Griffith brought us? Laura Dern? Jane Fonda?

Maybe it's just that this particular generation of celebrity kids are dead behind the eyes.