Does anyone else not understand why Chris Watts killed 4 lives

Thought he could get away with not paying child support to two kids (and a third on the way)?

r1 - I can't understand a person thinking "my life will be so much better if I kill these 4 other humans."

That's animal behavior. We're supposed to be human and act in a civilized manner.

This is what humans have devolved to, maybe?

I’m not a criminologist, but there are people capable of such things walking around in society. Laws hold them back if they think they will get caught. Some are so confident they just break the law anyway.

Most people only care about appearance and don’t want to be bothered with compassion. The majority of people aren’t too sensitive to function but sensitive enough to participate in relationships . People from large cities accept that human variation Serial killers are not capable of that.

Wait...didn't he kill 3 people? His wife and two kids?

His wife was pregnant, R4.

He was pregnant with another.

Her, plus two kids existing outside the womb and pregnant son inside his wife, which he knew about.

Fucking moron. I still remember the CCTV his neighbor recorded when he was loading the bodies into his truck. They showed him the tape and you could see the "fuck me" expression of it's over on his face.

^^She/he was pregnant with another.

His problems were multiplying.

[quote]And after Chris' arrest, reporters quickly unearthed the family's June 2015 bankruptcy filing, which indicated that, with a combined $90,000 income in 2014, they were drowning under monthly $3,000 mortgage payments and $600 car payments, student loans, medical bills and credit card debt and owed $70,000 (not including the mortgage). At the time, Chris had been working at Anadarko for six months with a salary of $61,500 a year, per the filing, and Shanann made $18 an hour answering phones at a children's hospital call center. They had $864 in their joint checking account.

Ahh, that's right. Forgot she was preggers.

Hold my beer

Because he was subpar intelligence and trash, OP.

I honestly, honestly can’t fathom how anyone making $61k or $90k a household would even consider having one child, let alone three. Even with divorce. He could file for bankruptcy and simply offload his kids on her.

Easy done. So many deadbeat fathers do the same.

Any relation to Den and Sharon Watts?

Child support and appearances. Scott Peterson didn't want to divorce Laci because he didn't want to look bad and disappoint both families and look like a shitwad for dumping a pregnant wife.

Because the world of the heterosexual is a sick and boring life

Another topic but they were also a shining example of the modern American live beyond your means lifestyle that's drowning people in debt. Too much house too soon. Expensive cars they can't afford and kids they can't afford.

I don't understand these people who do it and then go on TV and cry about their missing loved ones. Make then unalive then disappear dumbass.

Whatever happened to that creepy guy who claimed to be having an affair with Chris?

Prison officials found Chris’ underwear and a tube of lube in another prisoner’s cell.

Can we buy those on Temu?

r21 YES! for .99 cents

A helluva guy.

Chris and his prison fuck buddy have been separated r20.

Yes, he is fucking men in prison.

I'll bet money he wasn't fucking that ugly guy though.

Seems even family annihilators have standards.

[quote] That's animal behavior. We're supposed to be human and act in a civilized manner.

R2, don’t you have a Sunday School to teach?

Maybe they had it coming?

OP asks really stupid questions.

Some people lack a conscience, they are monsters like wild dogs and should be destroyed. This is why abortion is only a minor sin in Hinduism: the unwanted especially turn to evil. My own friend was horribly murdered by rough trade. It was in the gay media at the time, and the guy who did it was extremely violent, crazy and dangerous. I therefore have zero compassion for killers and they should be executed, imo. You can't understand them because you have a conscience and are reasonable and cannot understand the irrationality.

R9 Many people have financial problems. That doesn't make anyone a murderer.

He's a family annihilator. It was not the money problems in and of themselves, but the blow to his ego if he had to admit he failed. Divorce is expensive, child support is expensive, and he would have ended up with Shannan and everyone else blaming him for the outcome.

In his sociopathic mind, killing them solved all his problems. No divorce, no child support, can dump the house he probably never want to begin with and get an insurance settlement to boot. Win-win...IF you lack a conscience.

Will add, these family annihilators are such cowards. They readily themselves into a life they cannot support, but then everyone else has to die for their choices. He could have chosen to never marry, he could have refused to have kids. he could have explained to Shanann that the house was too much, that she needed to get a real job. But it was easier for him to kill them then to make honorable choices with his life.

Mama's mussy is oozing like an open packet of ranch dressing left on the dashboard.

What one might have done in an alternative universe is not the real question, r31. It’s how one deals with the reality one is living in.

Sometimes, difficult decisions must be made.

We still don't know how much that fucking thrive shit had an affect on him. I really wish he had gone to trial. I've said before, Jeffrey Macdonald was on speed diet pills when he offed his family, and I feel like Chris was "thrivin'" a little too much. I read a bunch of Thrive threads on reddit's anti mlm and people had a lot to say about how tweeked out it made them. Chris was never going to get away with this, but old Scooby Nicole made him get caught way too quickly. I don't think he would have gone on the news, etc if his hand hadn't been forced.

He's very attractive and I don't think he did it.

[quote]Many people have financial problems. That doesn't make anyone a murderer.

Of course not, R29. Did I/R9 somehow imply that was the sole reason? Perhaps you think I approve of Watts' actions because I didn't state unequivocally that I do not? If you that literal with everything in life, perhaps DL is not a good place for you.

Given the circumstances, it's not too far-fetched to assume that Watts wanted to lose the baggage of his old life (wife, kids, yet another kid on the way), and financial worries and start fresh with a new woman.

I don’t understand the question, and I refuse to answer it.

R37 Lucille Bluth

[quote] We still don't know how much that fucking thrive shit had an affect on him. I really wish he had gone to trial. I've said before, Jeffrey Macdonald was on speed diet pills when he offed his family, and I feel like Chris was "thrivin'" a little too much.

[quote] The Thrive Patch contains a number of active ingredients, including: ForsLean — the commercial name for the herb Coleus forskohlii. green coffee bean extract. Garcinia cambogia. coenzyme Q10 (CoQ10). Cosmoperine — the commercial name for tetrahydropiperine, a compound extracted from black pepper.

What? No wonder juries come up with bad decisions. Even if those herbal patches did affect him, that's voluntary intoxication, which is not a defense.

I've forgotten the Jeffrey McDonald case, but IDGAF if he was on speed.

[Quote]This is what humans have devolved to, maybe?

This is what humans have always been. ☹️

I read The Perfect Father by John Glatt and the book portrayed his wife as a total ball-busting control freak who completely emasculated him, which explains all the hate she got when this went to trial.

Chris said that night he confessed he was having an affair, he was going to leave her, he would pay child support and she could have the house and kids and he wanted visitation rights. She exploded and said he would never see the kids. He snapped and killed her.

In the book she was so bossy that when he had to catch a flight she wouldn't let him leave until he cleaned up the garage. Add that to his introverted personality and the fact that she called on the shots in the relationship (where he should work, the house they were going to buy, the kids they were going to have, etc.) it was only a matter of time.

I rewatched this video after reading this thread. Someone commented that Watts makes the “Surrender Cobra” at 1:12 as he’s watching his neighbour’s surveillance video on the television. I didn’t know what that meant so I researched it.

“Found at sporting events, surrender cobra is a hands-atop-head pose made by fans when the their team's loss seems all but inevitable.”

R41, She also questioned his credit card charges, especially for restaurants.

If she thought the bill was for more than one person would consume, she would accuse him of cheating on her.

R41, Remember, they met on Facebook when Chris sent her a private message.

It seems when mothers kill their children (and I'm not talking about the true psychopaths like Diane Downs) it's often related to an ego crisis as "the protector", whereas when a fathers kills their family it tends to stem from an ego crisis as "the provider".

He was a loser. People who are true winners at life aren't criminals or murderers. This guy looks like he needed crayon instructions to tie his shoes.

He wasn't smart enough to find a better partner, to get a vasectomy, to run off from his unhappy marriage, or to walk away before he killed people.

Back in the day, the other Neanderthals would have tossed this choade at the predator chasing them, to buy time for the real men to fortify themselves to better protect the worthy women and children.

Kouri Richins killed her husband (poison) and then wrote a children's book about grief. What a thoughtful bitch. (sweet illustrations)

Scott Peterson appeared virtually in court today, seeking a new trial.

R48 He's not hot.

[quote]Scott Peterson appeared virtually in court today, seeking a new trial.

He's an old now, so DL no longer cares about him.

She was going take everything and make his life miserable forever. His little side piece was not going to stick around for that.

Loading the “body”. He didn’t kill the kids til he got to the oil field.

He can’t have been very bright.

I know it's not the same thing but there was a time when I was 15 and I considered killing my entire family. I grew up in an incredibly dysfunctional and stable and abusive home well lots of homes. At this time I was living with my mom and my two younger brothers and sister the two youngest having a whole host of mental issues. My mom was in a particularly bad state drinking heavily and taking antidepressants and generally just entirely insane.

I desperately wanted her to die just so that I could get peace and not having to take care of my siblings or her or the house. I also figured that the kids really didn't have any sort of chance at life because none of them were smart or capable as I was really anything so I kind of felt like it would just be a blessing for them. I also felt like if they did all die but for once the world would be kind to me because I was grieving the death of my entire family. Obviously I didn't murder them in got myself straight in the head mostly.

I feel like that's the type of thinking that goes into these things.

He killed them instead of leaving them because

one - he thought it would be a clean slate for him - no child support, no ex to deal with him

two - he was dumb and really thought he'd get away with it. Honestly, these days any amateur sleuth knows that the husband is the first person you look at. It's very unlikely you get away with it but he took that huge risk.

R52 They got a little extra daddy time.

Please, R41. There are a lot of straight men who love to be bossed around by their wives. It gives them something to complain about and makes excuses for things they don’t actually want to do (the wife won’t let me), but also gives them structure. Notice how he didn’t try to leave his family or make any changes until he had a new woman to boss him around. I think she made him take her to some expensive (to him) restaurant and Shannan saw the charges. If money was tight, that would be a red flag. New girl wouldn’t stick around when the family returned so he killed them. If the new bossy chick hadn’t expressed interest he’d still be living there, hopped up on Thrive and deeper on debt.

R57 I don't disagree that if he hadn't found a new woman, he'd still be with Shannan and his kids but they had Shannan's phone and there's no evidence that she knew about his new girlfriend or that he was cheating. The most was that she noticed that he was cold and didn't want to touch or kiss her any more. They also had the phones of Watts and his new gf and there was no evidence that the new gf knew what Watts was going to do either.

I completely believe that new girlfriend knew all about wifey and kids, but had given him an ultimatum and said he needed to divorce them.

I don't want to believe that she knew about the pregnancy, but let's face it - Shan-nan posted all over social media the every day minutiae of her life. The new girlfriend HAD to have looked up her socials. Everyone does that these days, especially women. The chances are good that she knew about her being preggo too.

I'm not really sure she was involved in any of the murder plans because it was a really stupid plan to begin with. I'm not sure she'd sign on for that hare-brained scheme/plan.

Smart people find better ways around their problems.

Tell me about it.

Yes- he’s sick.

The man had NO feelings.

Narcissists love sociopaths. Shannon had her head up her ass and was too self absorbed to realize he had no soul and he liked her because she was too self absorbed to recognize how soulless he was.

Scott and Laci, Jodi and Travis - all similar patterns.

Chris Watts killed 3 people and a fetus. You can't "kill lives". Sheesh.

Datalounge average IQ has gone straight down the shitter.

Great focus on the most important thing about this post r64!

He did seem like an idiot. He wants to clean the slate of his pregnant wife and two young children. Yet doesn't have the balls to do it until he finds some mediocre bimbo to monkey bar over to.

The new bimbo did Google searches about Scott Peterson's girlfriend's book deal. And, yes, new GF must have known that Watts had a pregnant wife.

He seems too dumb to murder, but that's a dangerous combination -- dumb and willing to murder two little kids.

R39 Oh I agree, I'm not using that as a defense. But the question is why did he do it, and I bet that added to it. I'm sure had he not been gakked out on speed, he maybe would have only killed Shannan.

Aww, these poor little kids. They definitely weren't pretty but they were cute, and they deserved to grow up. It's unfathomable that someone could kill these two babies. I mean, I don't even know them and I couldn't. So yes, killing the harpie wife is a no brainer, but killing kids is fucking nuts!

[quote]So yes, killing the harpie wife is a no brainer,

If you're psychotic.

R69 is low camp sarcasm new to you?

The girlfriend looked like a younger version of his wife.

When he killed his daughters, he must have killed the bigger one, first.

[quote]is low camp sarcasm new to you?

Your version of it certainly is.

Her name was Shan'ann, not Shannon, which is motive enough right there.

[quote] Chris said that night he confessed he was having an affair, he was going to leave her, he would pay child support and she could have the house and kids and he wanted visitation rights. She exploded and said he would never see the kids. He snapped and killed her.

That's some bullshit. He has told multiple conflicting stories about what happened, but for sure he had planned on killing the pregnant Shan'ann, Bella, and Celeste for days if not weeks. He sent this taunting photo to Shan'ann a few days before the murders. Apparently it's something family annihilators like to do.

R72 I didn't write the comment that got your acrid panties in a bunch. Just recognized it for what it is.

Is Chris the top or bottom during hot prison sex?

size meat verificatia

r57 A lot of guys like it because they're totally aimless. Without a woman in their life they lose all direction and motivation. A bossy woman makes them do all their chores or plans real goals for them which might be something they actually want/need.

r74 that's sadistic, i didn't know about this. that's the most disturbing detail about the case i've heard since it happened.

r76 I hope bottom, and I want video

R65 States are prosecuting children who've been raped for seeking abortions. Shanoonoo's bun in the oven was not a human being and it does matter.

There’s a moment in that video posted above where Bella and Cece are watching a movie on the couch and Bella says, “Don’t take her (Cece) away from me!” And she Bella is cradling her and rubbing her back. That entire scene could actually have played out again in the back of Chris’s truck that morning which is just horrifying.

He most likely murdered Bella first. Out of the two, it seems like she was the one who might have spoken up for them and put up what little fight she could.

R82 I don't know if he favored one over the other if that's what you're implying.

If that’s what you managed to glean from what I posted, you’re not a very close reader, R83.

r83 Um, what?

He did it to impress DL. Obviously.

R82 I fell down a reabbit hole of those goddamn thrive videos. They're oddly mesmerizing, "Hi guys!". There were so many little things I noticed now that the entire family has been, well, annihilated. Shannan says things like, "and I'm young so I'll be with my body for a long time." Or she talks about how Bella wants to be a mommy, how the girls' teen years will be a nightmare, etc. It's just fucking wild that their home turned out to be the most dangerous place they could be. They would have had better odds being dropped off in the Combat Zone at 2 am. It's sad, Chris would have just knocked up the ugly, Manson girl looking bitch he was banging, unless they stuck to anal, only to do this all again.

R24 Sureee. Your pen pal at his prison tell you that?

He was having a hard day, OP.

Aww, look at these little babies. And Chris playing with them.

He has a weird hairline, in front. I know guys get receding hairlines at the temples, but it's rare to see such a bushy patch in the middle.

What I never understood about this case is why the girlfriend got to walk???? Clearly, she lied repeatedly to cops. I am just shocked they didn’t indict her, and if the case had holes, then bring it to a grand jury. Then again, this is the same state where John Ramsey walked away from a grand jury indictment, though clearly, JR had money and power. I think the state is really wonky with its justice system. Did the girlfriend give bj’s to the coppers?

Yeah I agree R92. The fact he copped a plea I guess, meant his gf didn't have to be hassled about her involvement. Perhaps that was his last, valiant, effort for a woman. M'lady, I'll take all the heat.

Yeh that really was weird that she just peaced out.

Yes, i also thought that was nuts that they completely let her off without a second look.

Less work for them, I guess.

I'm rewatching "Jury Duty" on Prime, and holy shit, that hottie Ronald Gladden totally looks like Chris, somewhat, and his mannerisms too. Everyone should watch it! It will cheer you after this horrible thread.

Chris without his facial hair looks so different. Also see his back tattoo.

Does anyone know what this tattoo means? or elements?

R98 Metallica tribute, I believe.

R92 How did she 'lie repeatedly to cops'? From what I know, she didn't, and actually went to the cops of her own accord when she realised that he lied to her about getting a divorce.

Also, you need hard evidence to convict - either he and the girlfriend was smart enough to never put it in texts (they had her phone and his phone) or she genuinely had no idea he was going to kill his family.

R98 It's a tattoo. It means "I have questionable taste".

Someone pointed out on another website the creepiness of the video at R42. At 3:42 a fetus appears on the TV. He then tells the LEO that she is pregnant. A few seconds later a skull appears. What are the chances?

I'd never heard of the defeated cobra stance but realized that I had seen it many times at games. What is interesting about Chris doing it is how long he holds the position. He looks as guilty as sin. The neighbor picked up on it and later told the LEO. He looks like a psychopath in the mug shot without facial hair.

He looks better with facial hair. The back tattoo looks dated, maybe 2010.

He has George W Bush lips.

And he looks so benign when he’s smiling.

Wow his girlfriend Does look like Shanana. Every time I revisit this it just gets creepier and creepier.

The last line of your post makes me turn to thoughts of Trumpsters R28.

Chris Watts Had No Visitors, No Special Privileges in Prison for His 39th Birthday

You DL murderer admirers are slipping.

He wasn't attractive. Then there's the hideous Metallica tattoo, FFS.

There are parents everywhere who just drop out of their kids' lives. Work cash jobs to avoid paying tax and child support. Ignore any attempts made to contact them. Murdering someone, especially your own family members, in such a situation is psychopathic. Murdering your own children and pregnant partner is inconceivable. How do we know she was actually a bitch? Even if she was, he could have just walked out.

He'll forever have a shrine here on DL. I hope he takes some comfort from that.

He was extremely weak minded and easily influenced. The socio butch girlfriend convinced him to do it

[quote] How do we know she was actually a bitch

Oh, come on. Her name is Shanann, for starters.

Well, in our defense, R108, he's fat now and no longer attractive. Our hands are tied. You understand.

Without that beard he is HIDEOUS

His mouth his all mangled and shit.

Old Lady Mouth like Tila Tequila.

[quote]she was so bossy that when he had to catch a flight she wouldn't let him leave until he cleaned up the garage

In other words, he was a grown man who didn't have the balls to stand up to her. Seems par for the course, if the comments about the side piece are accurate.

R114 He's definitely sexier and more innocent with the facial hair. If he shaves, he did it.

I’m too lazy to read the whole thread, but if I remember correctly she was the more assertive one (well, except when he murdered her!) and so it’s possible that he couldn’t imagine going through the endless drama of telling her he wanted to leave.

Actually this reminds me in some ways of Gypsy Rose Blanchard — her mother dominated her life so much, the only way she could conceive of getting away from her was to annihilate her.

"Killed 4 lives" still makes me wonder what this OP is under the Aunt Bea hand-wringing.

R33

He lacked the chutzpah of those two dizzy dykes from a few years ago who drove their RV full of foster kids off a cliff on the Pacific Highway. Female family annihilators tend to be more thoughtful, including your Andreas Yates who think they’re saving their toddlers from the future clutches of Satan.

R120- I read a book on them--- Shit- Forgetting the name-- It was EXCELLENT- Those 2 dykes were hardcore fucked up!!!!!!!

[Quote] your Andreas Yates who think they’re saving their toddlers from the future clutches of Satan.

Or so she claimed. One of the most surefire outs for a woman is to claim religious delusion.

The Hart family murders were horrific. Devonte’s body has never been found.

R122 Are you kidding? She was fucking nuts. Dead eyes, lank hair, no affect. That one shrink said she was the sickest person he had ever seen. She was well known for having PPD, and her husband sucked. I believe it.

I think he was just over it.

The “sparing the babies from the slings and arrows” is a pretty common reason for crazy women to family-annihilate. Not to conflate art with reality, but it’s basically the whole plot of The Haunting of Hill House.

Horrible sane people like Watts or Scott Peterson or Susan Smith just want to escape their humdrum and will make up a million stories for how their families ended up dead.

If you look at the Andrea Yates story, she was a normal, smart, productive person until she started getting pregnant over and over. She had severe postpartum depression, if not outright psychosis. Her husband kept intentionally impregnating her even after doctors told him she was a danger to herself and the family and that another pregnancy might be the last straw. He was more responsible for what happened to his family than his mentally ill wife.

Complete fucking nonsense. If she didn’t want to get pregnant she could have taken a number of different steps, but she didn’t.

She chose to be a mother. Then she didn’t like it so she got rid of the cause.

She had an MLM business didn't she? Of course she was a cunt.

Yeah, I don't recall what the name of her MLM job was, but there was inference to the fact the house she "built, on her own" was somewhat shady as well.

None of that really matters in terms of her ultimate demise though...I mean, she wasn't gangster or drug dealer level of shadiness to warrant her (and her children) being killed by a man with a weak chin and obvious issues he needed to deal with in another way besides how he decided to "clean up" his life.

THRIVE!

My god, how could you not know THRIVE by Le-vel? Aren't you thrivin?

All I wanted was to be a lady boss!

[quote] He lacked the chutzpah of those two dizzy dykes from a few years ago who drove their RV full of foster kids off a cliff on the Pacific Highway.

Totally different situation. The two lesbians died along with all of those poor foster children.

Chris Watts wanted to survive and begin life anew with his new girlfriend.

Andrea Yates ... I don't think anyone 100% blames her and thinks she's a murderer.

Because it was so much more fun his way.

The wife was an insufferable cunt and deserved it but their children didn't. And no, I do NOT find him attractive. I think he is a disgusting child killer. Absolutely repulsive.

[quote] The wife was an insufferable cunt and deserved it

Why Mr. Simpson, i thought you had died this year.

[quote]r35 He's very attractive and I don't think he did it.

Agreed.

He has paid his debt to society by voluntarily relinquishing his freedom, and does not deserve to be persecuted in critical threads like this.

[quote]The wife was an insufferable cunt and deserved it but their children didn't. And no, I do NOT find him attractive. I think he is a disgusting child killer. Absolutely repulsive.

You sound sane.

Where is the proof the wife deserved this?

From the link about the those two heinous women. NOBODY should be allowed to adopt or foster kids without strict oversight if a red flag shows. Those poor kids:

Jennifer and Sarah cannot be questioned or stand trial for what happened on that California cliff. The inquest is closed, and their death certificates now list suicide while the children’s list homicide.

What can change now, Mendocino County Sheriff-Coroner Thomas Allman told reporters, is the federal oversight of abuse. Five states were involved with the adoptions and abuse allegations of the children.

“Where are the systematic failures that possibly could have prevented this?” Allman said. “We do not have a national database for child abuse allegations.”

This, Allman said, should be an “enlightening moment” for lawmakers.

They met when he sent a message to her Facebook page.

What could go wrong?