Has anyone else reached award show indifference yet?

Several years ago.

My predictions!!!!

Shitty film about bomb wins everything.

Native American actress gets hurled pity vote.

Everyone looks like shit on the red carpet.

Rest of world forgets entire mess in a week.

Yes, I don't care about them anymore. I just tune in for the in memoriams at this point.

Yes, for at least ten years.

G must be at this stage by now.

Yet? I was always indifferent. Most people 40 and under couldn’t care less. Those 20 and under couldn’t even tell you what an Oscar is.

R6 is right on the money too. My indifference has been a life long thing too

What's Oscars!?

Yeah...since the late 90s

My gripe is how they affect the release schedule. There's either nothing at all of worth to see at the cinema or everything at the same time so I've either already seen everything or there's too much to fit in.

I used to really enjoy watching The Academy Awards and the film reviews, predictions and the anticipation leading up to them. But over the last few years my interest began waning and now I've also reached total indifference. Not quite sure what exactly brought about the lack of interest but it was probably a combination of things such as nominating ten movies for Best Picture instead of five, I lost interest in going to movie theaters even before COVID, and the storylines of today's films just don't interest me anymore. I still love movies, just not contemporary filmmaking, at least for now.

Also...things have never been quite the same without Joan Rivers and Fashion Police.

(meant to write, "the storylines of today's films just don't interest me", NOT "the storylines of today's films just don't interest me anymore".

There’s no glamour anymore in Hollywood, no genuine movie stars anymore, nearly all the film legends are long dead and by the time the Oscars are awarded the winners are predetermined, thus no suspense.

I just remembered...part of the waning may have begun after the telecast when Ellen hosted and she had a few of the actors (including Brad and Angelina) take a selfie with her on air, and when Jimmy Kimmel began hosting and incessantly referenced Matt Damon. It all just got too self-conscious and "too young" or something (even though they're older than me).

I reached it ten years ago.

Ages ago it was evident to me that the awards only rarely go the worthy nominees, and that much of the best work is not reflected in the nominations.

And in American films the choices have been shit for many years now. This article makes a reasonable case for 2007 being as "the last great year for American cinema.". Almost everything since has been a circle jerk rewarding the same vastly overrated actors miscast in third- or fourth-rate material.

R14, And when Kimmel had pizzas delivered to the audience.

Totally and for many years in the past as well. Actually, this year i only wish The Zone of Interest wins. Am also curious on the winner for best actress but not very invested.

Yes

And the audience reminds me of Let's Make a Deal.

Same OP. All of it is LUDICROUS. I stopped paying attention about 15 years ago.

The awards themselves? A long time ago and for the reasons other posters have stated.

As marketing gimmicks go, which is what ALL awards are, I’m surprised they’ve lasted this long.

And Yet! Don’t t dare take away the pre-Oscars Red Carpet.

R11 is right about the absence of Joan Rivers and the post-telecast Fashion Police episode. Those two things are sorely missed.

The pre-telecast Red Carpet is not to be missed TV for me as well as posting on and reading the DL comments.

Hell, R22 -- reading the DL comments is the best part!

That said, I DGAF about award shows, and haven't for many years. "Entertainment" these days sucks.

2005

The whole thing collapsed when that cunt collected Anne Bancroft's Oscar.

Cunt!

^^^

'I'm rubber, you're glue, whatever you say bounces off me and sticks to you.'

[quote] Rest of world forgets entire mess in a week.

You’re so generous. More like 18 hours.

The Oscars lost distinction when they moved the start time from 10:00 PM.

We're still in the post-Covid doldrums. There's just not that much product to choose from this year. Lily Gladstone? Hunty, please...

Social media is to blame. Everything feels cheap nowadays. I’m in my 20s and I used to care about the Oscar. I don’t remember the last one that left a good impression on me (Maybe when Halle Berry won?) Tiktok interviews, see-through clothing with no class, no movie stars, everyone is looking bloated or bald on the red carpet. The instagram face is out of control. They should wrap it up and only stream the winners list.

I’m only watching to see RDJ win so the troll on DL who repeatedly insisted that he will “NEVER, EVER win” can have a meltdown. Actually, I am sure he will have nothing to say.

Thanks for mentioning that "selfie", R14. That was really insulting, IMHO.

"Look at us! We're the cool kids!"

Yuck.

I think one of the things I now hate is having all of the "stars" sitting in the front row or the aisle seats right at the front. Add to my hate list is setting the stage so "winners" just walk right up to the stage. Or go up to assault the host.

One of my favorite old memories of watching the Oscars on TV was seeing Susan Hayward running down the aisle after her name was announced for "I want to live".

I think they should have a lottery among all nominees as to who gets to sit in the front row. The other nominees, should get aisle seats so they don't have to climb over a whole row of people, but grouping all the actor nominees in front - I hate that cool kid vibe.

One of the worst was having the tour group walk through. It was an insulting look to all the people in the group as well as any viewers.

No wonder the number of viewers has dropped so significantly.

They should also drop all the idiotic "snappy patter", just have the presenter come out, read the list, read the winner and step aside.

Below is the link to video to Susan Hayward's win. Presenting was Kim Novak and James Cagney. (Look how Cagney is dressed!. These days they show up in gym shoes.)

And listen to that list of nominees.

Cagney is wearing white tie and tails.

What a tough category for Hayward. All those classic performances.

They've gotten boring. Celebrities dressed like slobs and no one insulting them, the same nominees and winners so there's no real competition or even suspense, and what the FUCK is this box office achievement bullshit?

The award shows are like the Greek system in college. No one gives a shit unless you're a member of it.

They should just be live streamed at this point. Network tv is going to die with the boomers

Not sure exactly why I stopped watching the Oscars. I think it was a couple of years of extremely boring, long shows, without any real entertainment. I remembered great opening numbers, songwriter tributes, things from the past that were fun. The show wasn't fun and relied on some very bad comedians as hosts for the entertainment.

Then when they moved the honorary awards off the main broadcast. That had been one of the few things I still liked. It also seemed to be a symbol of the shunning of Old Hollywood that had become obvious (with a few exceptions).

Also, minor thing I guess, but I couldn't believe they left Dorothy Malone - an actual Academy Award winner in a major category - out of the In Memoriam segment. Somebody pretty famous, who had gone on to play big leads, and star on a long-running, hugely popular TV series.

Then the whole racial quota thing. I don't believe in that for the arts. For education, yes.

Stuff like that.

A long time ago.

But I do admit I love the drama and outrage over someone being snubbed or robbed or something being racist, sexist, etc...solely because I think the whole award show thing is total bullshit so its funny seeing everyone get worked up over something so meaningless.

Basically what some of you are upset about is "why can't white people just have white people only stuff any more? With a select few acceptable, non-uppity, minorities thrown in."

The awards and the show may be meaningless. To me, anyway, what isn't meaningless is people with talent or dedication who sometimes devote their lives to their craft (all the crafts in the industry, not just acting), and the fact that film is an important medium, or art form. And the industry is important. So when people are snubbed by their peers who are honoring other peers, in the most visible way - a worldwide broadcast, to me it's not *total* bullshit.

R39 Who here is upset about that?

I think r39 is referring to r37’s comment that racial quotas in arts awards may not be a good idea.

R42 -- Okay, I'm R37 and R41. Characterizing what I said as "Why can't white people have white people stuff" is way off base. I don't want to be put on the defensive by someone deliberately misunderstanding what I say. I don't think you should force racial quotas on creativity. Or political views, or social norms. But that's just me.

Haven’t seen an award show since Bob Hope made nasty jokes about Vietnam war protestors at the Oscars. Who needs that shit? Who wants t9 give those people awards? Especially nowadays when everyone and I mean *everyone* is a nepo baby.

A friend of mine always hosted a group of us on the big night. We had ballots and opinions and our hopes rose and sank as the evening progressed. After she died I once tried spending the night in a good hotel and treating myself to room service delivery of their charcuterie plate.

There’s nothing more to be done. It’s over for me.

It' used to be fun to watch, now everyone has to have a teary heartfelt speech about being a xxx and overcoming the hardships and odds to win.

I haven't watched an awards show in 25 years.

I lost interest about 20 years ago, for the same reasons many have listed above. I DVR the show just to get to the 'In Memoriam' segment, but even the past few years (on all awards shows) they screw that up, too.

I haven't watched or cared about The Oscars since Brokeback Mountain lost Best Picture to that awful Crash movie.

Before that, I attended Oscar Parties and it was always a big deal in my life. Since then, it's a non-issue.

I occasionally have a background hope that a really amazing movie will get nominated or win, or a really amazing TV show will get nominated for an Emmy and win. Never cared about Tonys or Golden Globes to be honest, and still don't.

Like, I hope Nimona wins an Oscar. It's really a great movie and deserves it. But I'm not so invested that I'll pay much attention, it's just sort of a general "I hope the talent behind that gets the recognition it deserves" thing.

I wish they would go back to saying "And the winner is..." One of the most publicized, most famous phrases in the entertainment world (at one time, anyway)...and they let Alan Carr turn it into the boring, "And the Oscar goes to..."

The person IS the winner of the Oscar, so I don't get it, anyway. And other awards shows followed suit.

I rarely have seen more than a few of the nominated films these days, so I just don’t care.

I’ve always loved The Oscars. Will Smith ruined it for me. If Jessica Chastain had charged the stage and clawed his eyes out I might still care. But she didn’t and I don’t.

I know I'm in the minority here, but I would just love it if award shows did what they were supposed to - hand out awards. Cut out the pomp, circumstance, and bullshit. Cut out the live performances, honorary awards, pre-taped packages, and just get to the awards. One category immediately after another with brief speeches.

There's too much useless chatter between presenters. It's a waste of time.

I get so pissed when I see a presenter walk on stage without an envelope. It means we're wasting time until the next award.

[quote]They should just be live streamed at this point. Network tv is going to die with the boomers

Major network TV *is* dead and has been for years already. It's just that some at DL don't realize it yet.

[quote]Basically what some of you are upset about is "why can't white people just have white people only stuff any more? With a select few acceptable, non-uppity, minorities thrown in."

Watch the first 4 minutes.

This is what we miss.

The Oscars became bogged down by lousy musical numbers. Present awards and get it over with.

Have felt this way for at least ten years. All awards dinners suck.

The Academy Awards are now a joke. I stopped caring about 10 years ago.

Will Smith didn't help. And the way the show didn't throw him out didn't help.

They live in fear of his wife, I think.

[quote]The Oscars became bogged down by lousy musical numbers. Present awards and get it over with.

Forty+ years ago the thing I hated about watching the Academy Awards wasn't the long acceptance speeches. They were never that long and I figured that was less an annoyance than the point of the thing. What I hated were the endless song-and-dance shit (that transmogrified under the Discontinuous Decade of Debbie Allen), the Shirley Bassey-esque blown-out interpretations of original scores - or worse, medleys of original scores. And the scripted banter between old fossils liker Bob Hope and whatever other hateful old crank was still kicking. Had the Academy Awards focused on showing clips and behind-the-scenes footage from the nominated films, it would have been great. But the producers always thought the public wanted some cheesy old fuck in a tux like Billy Crystal and lame jokes about the nearly dead.

they sucked the whole time

I think the last time I tuned in was when Anne Hathaway and James Franco hosted. I was never a dedicated watcher, but I do remember when there was genuine excitement about it. Nowadays that seems amazing. Excitement? For an awards show? Why? The internet has killed glamour and star power. No such thing anymore.

Occasionally it’s still kind of gratifying. I enjoyed seeing Bong Joon-Ho win best director. It was touching when he gave a shout out to Martin Scorcese.

Every gay man becomes disillusioned by the Oscars about the time he hits high school. That's when you realize how meaningless they are and how fixed they are.

I liked the musical numbers - when they were clever. Or the performers were first-rate. I liked the Judy Garland medley by P!nk, maybe? I like the old clips of Burt Lancaster and Kirk Douglas (then the English broads the following year) doing "It's Great Not To Be Nominated". Good lyrics. The Oscars used to be produced by Arthur Freed. Then by Joe Pasternak. At least they knew how to produce entertainment, more than Gilbert Cates.

I used to enjoy the pre-show with Siskel and Ebert in the 80s, They used to host 'If We Picked the Oscars' and would make valid arguments as to why a movie / actor should win, or ask why a movie / actor was snubbed. It led up to the Oscars itself which made it more exciting. Alas, they are both gone and no one took up the mantle - probably because movies have gone to shit since then.

Yes as I don’t know most of the performers or the works. Also, it seems there is an awards show almost weekly.

I used to watch religiously and really look forward to Oscar night and Barbara Walters but now I just watch the DL threads.

I loathe Ellen and Jimmy Kimmel so that ruined many years for me. Red carpets for every single event on the planet have taken the fun away from Oscar fashion because it’s no longer special and so have the 100 other awards that proceed Oscar night. We already know who will win.

But I’m also ancient in gay years so that could be some of it. I freely admit I don’t give a shit about people like Zendaya or whatever her name is and that floppy haired boy in Dune. They are not movie stars to me.

Hell, I'd be fine with the academy just releasing the names of all the winners at a designated time. Winners could give their acceptance speeches on their social media.

Red Carpet was fun with Joan Rivers 30 years ago. Then everyone had to do it and ruined it.

My asshole is in the middle of my body to the back.

Hold on while I get my shawl... Ok. I stopped watching probably 15-20 years ago. It was just so boring. The red carpet became a phonyfest circus. Back in the 70s-80s, the stars were better at playing their part. It was a night of glamour. It felt like a big deal. Now it all feels cheap and like a flash in the pan. There are either too many actors/actresses these days or maybe none stands out. Everyone only lasts a couple years and then they fade away. It just all feels tacky now.

Stopped watching and caring about award shows 20 years ago, around the same time I quit going to movies twice a week. I love Jimmy Kimmel, but I can also watch his nightly monologue on YouTube.

Irrelevant award shows for old people programming, and entitled attendees.

Whenever studios started to be run by lawyers and accountants.

I knew a guy in college, in my film class. Nice guy, good looking, but not a creative type, clueless about film. I had to help him with his papers. He ended up as a movie producer - this is not a joke. Produced a handful of well-known (if not particularly successful) films. I found this out only after Googling him one day. He only was a producer for about 5 or 6 years.

Otoh I knew a couple of guys - gay couple - who had an in, and went to the Oscars every year. From far across the country. Spent a week in LA, usually. Now, honestly, I wouldn't mind doing that at all.

At least a decade ago, though likely longer. I DO like knowing who wins the Costuming Tony, and Oscars in my two favorite categories: Costuming, & Score. I just look them up online, when I think about it after the fact. But beyond those three things...absolutely zero fucks.

I stopped watching or caring when Pulp Fiction—a then-groundbreaking film—lost to that pile of dreck that is Forrest Gump.

The film industry has lost so much of its allure. Far too many streaming options, weak stories and social media have drained actors of their charisma. The nail in the coffin is box office receipts, the reportage is so vulgar and painful. Fuck the Rich 🤑

Jimmy Kimmel has never made me laugh.

Every award show now needs to have meme worthy content provided by its celebrity audience.

[quote]There’s no glamour anymore in Hollywood, no genuine movie stars anymore,

I posted this on another thread but the internet and social media killed the glamour and mystique. We see celebrities all the time now and we know too much about them. FFS Bradley Cooper just did an interview where he talked about talking to his daughter while he took a shit in his bathroom!

Everybody is overexposed and shares too much now.

How...quaint.

[quote] (that transmogrified under the Discontinuous Decade of Debbie Allen),

Debbie Allen's shittastic "interpretive dance" numbers were always great for snarky jokes. Gil Cates produced the Oscars for years and for some reason Debbie Allen was a favorite of his. When Gil was gone from the Oscars, so was Debbie.

[quote]What I hated were the endless song-and-dance shit

One of the most infamous examples being Ann Reinking's "Against all of THE Odds" which basically killed her Hollywood career.

That male dancer was hot. Is he a gay ?

I love entertainment, but I could not care less about watching overpaid millionaires fight for gold trophies for just doing their jobs.

Caring about entertainment awards is an endeavor for the immature and starstruck.

The thing is a lot of this stuff is based on politics and ass kissing and not merit. So it taints it for me. If you don't believe me go read the exclusive voter ballots that they put out every year for the Oscars or Grammys. The voters sound like fucking retards. Most of them openly admit to not voting based on the actual merit of the art but on other factors such as how much they like the artist or if the film was a hit and other such nonsense. I know for a fact that some of them don't even watch or listen to all the movies/music in the categories. Not to mention the nominees sending gift baskets and tickets just to bribe voters.

It is hard for me to take the process seriously.

Anything of note is played on the highlights the next morning. Done & dusted in 5 minutes.

Well, I'd rather have some entertainment than just watch people reading off nominees and giving out awards.

R90 Can you link us to those ballots which you suggest we read ?

No, we're supposed to just "go read" them.

[quote]One of the most infamous examples being Ann Reinking's "Against all of THE Odds" which basically killed her Hollywood career.

Her Hollywood career was over before that broadcast. There was a lot of unhappiness with the way she photographed in Annie. No one wanted to cast her after that.

I haven't watched an awards show in years. If I want to see any acceptance speeches I watch them on YouTube the next day.

I miss the 80s when Johnny Carson used to host. He had the audience laughing from beginning to end.

The older I get, the more I understand why Hitchcock viewed actors as little more than filmmaking tools.

Hitchcock, who never won an Oscar.

Tom Hanks and Hilary Swank have two each.

It's crazy that Hitchcock of all people never won an Oscar. One of the most important and influential filmmakers ever.

Me!

I used to watch them ALL for decades, and even though I am an actor myself, I woke up about eight years ago and thought, "This is so dumb and exhausting"!

I haven't watched one since and could not give a shit who wins or is nominated for anything!

[quote]FFS Bradley Cooper just did an interview where he talked about talking to his daughter while he took a shit in his bathroom!

Yeah that was unbelievably gross.

From now on he should be referred to as Bradley Pooper.

There are so many different awards shows on all the time, I'm surprised there's not an awards show for the best awards shows.

Who cares which superhero, or cartoon character, or magical outer space creature has tickled the fancy off the nepo babies? Or which boxes are properly checked for the culture dictators. Or which old hag movie star has spent the last 10 years glad handing for an Oscar? Yuck. Hollywood was ruled by a sex offender with a rotted crotch for decades

Why was Ann Reinking's Against All Odds performance so bad?

I mean, why was it considered bad? I watched it briefly (FFed thru some of it). Seemed okay.

[quote] Or which old hag movie star has spent the last 10 years glad handing for an Oscar?

Ahem.

[quote]Or which old hag movie star has spent the last 10 years glad handing for an Oscar?

Oh hi!

[quote]Or which old hag movie star has spent the last 10 years glad handing for an Oscar?

Hello there!

That sounds fucking hilarious, r86, how did I miss that? Will have to look it up.

It's pretty predictable these days to know exactly which and how many awards will go to black actors. It has to be the exact formula or else there will be endless speeches and social media posts about it!

R84 You nailed it. Absolutely agree.

Many of you are reminding me that it isn't that the movies, plays, music or stars were so different back in the day. It's just that pre internet and streaming, we didn't get to see the actors and bands any time our heart desired. We got to see bits and pieces on TV or in magazines. It was a big deal to see what Elizabeth Taylor looked like at the Oscars or what Cher wore. As a gayling, I lived for it.

R22 I loved the fashion police. I don’t watch award shows anymore.

[quote] I mean, why was it considered bad? I watched it briefly (FFed thru some of it). Seemed okay.

It’s one of those legendary bad performances than doesn’t live up to its heinous rep. I’m sure “Madame Web” will suffer the same fate.

I always hear that Rob Lowe and Snow White was supposed to be the worst and most embarrassing Oscar number. At least it's always nice to see Ann Reinking and her incredible legs. She didn't sing very well in that performance, as I recall.

The worst part is that she said "against all the odds" and just kept doing it. The title song of the movie "Against All Odds," and she still couldn't care to get it right.

I'm pretty sure that in the original, Phil Collins sang "...against the odds" several times. Maybe that's how she rehearsed it, then maybe they wanted her to sing "against all odds" and she messed it up and sang "Against all the odds" because she was nervous, or something

[quote] I always hear that Rob Lowe and Snow White was supposed to be the worst and most embarrassing Oscar number.

It wasn't good.

He sings "against the odds," then later, "against all odds". That's probably what she got messed up on.

For years I would get together with the same group, with a few extras depending on who was hosting, to do an Oscar night dinner. Pre social media or internet. We'd do nibbles and cocktails while we watch and snarked or shared gossip. It was fun. I remember the siskel and ebert pre show, then the red carpet and Barb Walters. It was something we looked forward to. Not anymore. Just don't give a fuck about any of that.

At least Chastain didn't hug him like Bradley Cooper did r52.

If you watch her win you can see she he stands up for her and she sort of hesitates then just says thanks and passes him by.

I don't think the slap heard around the world helped

Yeah that's when the Oscars jumped the shark

And they still kept him there, presented him with the Oscar and let him make a speech. He should have been arrested. Of course if it had been a white male star who hit Chris Rock, there would have been no mercy.

Considering the assault that took place before this moment should never have happened and it showed how hypocritical Hollywood elites are. Why didn't the orchestra play him off as they dd for everyone else?

R123

[quote]...And they still kept him there, presented him with the Oscar and let him make a speech.

They also gave him a standing ovation. That was an ugly, ugly display.

(^.^) absolutely, and an insult to the victim Chris Rock

I know - his speech went on for 5 minutes.

They usually let the acting winners especially the lead ones go on for a long time (remember Julia Roberts telling the conductor to put his stick down,)

I will watch the two main one for entertainment . I'll watch the Oscars and Grammys. Could care less about the Grammys and their 8 nominations per category. All the other I couldn't care to try to watch.

care less about *emmys^

[quote]Debbie Allen's shittastic "interpretive dance" numbers were always great for snarky jokes. Gil Cates produced the Oscars for years and for some reason Debbie Allen was a favorite of his. When Gil was gone from the Oscars, so was Debbie.

A friend of mine who was an entertainment journalist once interviewed Nathan Lane about his not performing "Hakuna Matata" with Ernie Sabella for the Oscarcast, and he said privately he was relieved he couldn't do it (I forget the technical reason why he didn't) "because I knew that Debbie Allen would have us looking like complete assholes!"

Either not really, or I've always been indifferent.

I never took them seriously. They were (and still are if a bit less so) fun for the red carpet and the reactions and the DL threads; at times the performers and presenters. And every once in a while, an artists I like get awarded for projects that I know and like. If not, I don't really care. I've never been one to be annoyed that the "wrong" person won. I'm 51; so sometimes, especially with the Grammys, I don't know some of the nominees and performers. But, either I'll blow it off or simply Google and get a little background. So, I still watch for the most part (at least Grammys, Tonys, Oscars, Emmys, GGs), though if I have other plans that day, I'm not going to change them to watch the awards show. Then I'll just read about it and watch worthwhile clips.

R128 I don't think that's true, as a rule. Not since Greer Garson.

The Grammys hit such a nadir this year, with Jay Z chastising the industry on stage for not giving his wife - who has 30-something Grammys - the Grammy she (or he) wants the most.

Billionaires with the resources normal people can only dream of having scolding others because they don’t have enough golden statues to validate their egos.

It’s grotesque and disgusting.

No thsnks.

He always seems like he's fortified with alcohol.

Ellen Degeneres’s memorable Oscar selfie turns 10:

[quote] Ellen Degeneres’s memorable Oscar selfie turns 10:

She has those dead, Cluster B eyes.

What a loathsome monster.

First time ever I'm going to miss the live broadcast. I'm going to see Chicago instead.

Couldn't care less because the dozens of other award shows have already given away the winners with 99% certainty.

I only care about the fashion.

Excuse me but that's KENNEDY CENTER HONOREE Debbie Allen to all of you!

The older I get, the less I care about whatever is new. So award shows don't interest me at all anymore. Except for shows like the Kennedy Center Awards that are honoring people for for entire careers.

R116, I don't think she was singing live except for the first part, when she wasn't dancing. It was recorded.

I can't believe Debbie Allen got a Kennedy Center Honor. Her body of work hardly deserved one. There were so many other worthy people to give that to.

I'm all in for the oscars every year.

I hate watch snippets, until the cringe inducement becomes too much for me to handle and I blow my brains out.

Every year, same thing. This must be purgatory.

I just watched the SAG awards on Netflix last night. Same old bullshit, but I'm glad Pedro Pascal won. Most of the dresses were horrid.

A big yawn fest.

Brie WHO??????

I'd never noticed how much Ellen's eyes and mischievous smile resemble a diabolical imp.

[quote] but I'm glad Pedro Pascal won.

For what, Best Bottom?

You're so right, R148.

[quote]I posted this on another thread but the internet and social media killed the glamour and mystique.

Emancipation of women has made them lose their mystery.

The real question is: Has anyone NOT reached award show indifference?

I prefer the term fatigue.