If Gavin Newsom manages to win the Presidency, it will be because he is willing to go Dark Knight

Is he running this ad in his own state?

What a waste of money.

No, in Tennessee which is considering an abortion travel ban.

The ad without the commentary

As a Californian, Newsom would understand the intersection of politics and show business in America better than anyone except Trump and of course Ronald Reagan who held his exact same job

For those of you who can remember the plot of All About Eve

This ad represents Eve going on as understudy in Aged in Wood

Good ad. Those red states are "the sunken place" for women and many others.

The uniqueness of the ad is that it appeals to people’s libertarianism, which is not something Democrats tend to do. However California and San Francisco in particular have always had this peculiar brand of libertarianism (activists in San Francisco who defended the right to be homeless or get clean needles, for example.)

It might work.

Newsom would not be able to win AZ, GA, FL, WI, MI, or PA. He could lose VA. The man is not popular across the country. His little shadow campaign, or whatever it is, isn't helping his image.

“Don’t you know the Presidency was written for Biden?”

“It might have been fifteen years ago. It’s my part now.”

Gavin would lose in a landslide.

Will to go Dark Knight? TF are you talking about?

[quote]Newsom would not be able to win AZ, GA, FL, WI, MI, or PA

Why? Trump won them. Tacky, vulgar New Yorker Trump.

Why did Trump win the election? “Build the wall!” Why did Reagan win the election? “Government is the problem!”

What is the biggest motivator in any election? Fear.

“Trump wants to chain you to your bed after you have been raped” is absolutely horrifying and persuasive.

I’ve been alive for forty years, the Democrats have never done anything like this since Lyndon Johnson dropped the atom bomb on a little girl. (before my time)

He won in a landslide.

If Gavin Newsom manages to win the Presidency, it will be because of a majority of voters and electoral college votes. The business of politics has always had a dark side.

Gavin will never be forgiven for marrying Kimberly Guilfoyle.

[quote] Why did Trump win the election?

R12 Only as a fluke in 2016 with Russian interference. He’s never won the popular vote. His fear-based followers are more virulent and unhinged, but they’re shrinking.

Gavin is never becoming president. Trump is going to win. Start looking towards 2028. This election is already lost.

No, Trump did not win with Russian interference.

Trump won with American interference. James Comey swung the election with his violation of the Hatch Act.

Of course, this is an unsuitable narrative for Biden supporters, who revere old white man authority.

exactly op. democrats have to abandon the loser strategy of we go high. that's dead now. you have to be savage in a world of nonstop propaganda and disinformation. the truth being on your side is no longer a real advantage.

Trump and Republicans have already lost 2024 with the Alabama IVF ruling. They lost it with the overturning of Roe v. Wade, but the IVF ruling was the final nail in the coffin. Abortion rights will be the #1 issue this year, and it motivates Democratic and women voters like nothing else we've ever seen before.

R20 but only if you make ads like this. Biden would never run an ad like this. Newsom will. Biden wants to be seen as a nice old man eating ice cream. Gavin Newsom's most famous quote is "...whether you like it or not."

How do you get Capone?

We have Gavin Newsom to thank for gay marriage, as he allowed it to go forward in San Francisco and everyone was happy about it. It broke through the tremendous resistance, and was eventually made law in the US.

I have no sympathy for women in red states. They need voting Repug and deserve their suffering.

When Biden retires in his third year to make Kamila the first female President, I am torn at President Harris making Secretary Pete or Gavin VP.

I’ll bet their sex sessions were hot as fuck.

The fact that R24 thinks a woman can only become President because an old white man retires or drops dead says a lot about the values of Biden supporters.

Hey OP, minor issue with your idea — he’s not fucking running.

R23 Except there's voter suppression out the wazoo down there.

r26, sweetie, no, it is about Biden being the most consequential president since Lincoln.

Once there is a President Harris running as an incumbent, let the American people decide.

Just like fucking traitor, Sedition, Insurrection Republicans in Congress using every lever of the law to fuck up our government, Biden could use his ever decision as President to ensure the peaceful transition of power.

As a CA tax payer, am I paying for the??? He's getting recalled because he is doing everything except his job.

[quote]Biden being the most consequential president since Lincoln.

See? these people are insane.

Let me tell you something R29. Nobody wants Trump to win the Republican nomination more than Joe Biden. He even said he wouldn't be running if it wasn't for Trump. He WANTS there to be a chance for Trump to become President because it's the only way to validate his pathetic presidency. He is following a Leninist maxim, "the worse, the better."

Like Lenin, Biden is an autocrat. You are an authoritarian. Everything you are terrified Trump of doing, you propose Biden do himself. Deprive Americans of their democratic elections, install a President by whim.

[quote]There is a story, often told, that upon exiting the Constitutional Convention Benjamin Franklin was approached by a group of citizens asking what sort of government the delegates had created. His answer was: "A republic, if you can keep it."

Granted, I get that it is horrible but those who are affected need to rise up and MAKE SOME FUCKING NOISE. It seems like nowadays, yes I am an eldergay, people just accept as the new norm with little to no fight.

R30, you mean as a CA Trump voter.

Trump was seated in 2016 due to a confluence of factors of which Russian interference was indeed one along with Comey's betrayal (I still want to know what the MAGAts/Russia has on Comey to get him to sabotage Hillary's campaign), voter intimidation which ranges from the Republican efforts to restrict voting by everyone except straight white Christian men to the outright thuggery at the polling place, and Hillary's admission that they took certain votes for granted and didn't compete. It was a tragedy; had Hillary not been cheated out of her victory, the pandemic wouldn't have happened, the SCOTUS would be liberal, Roe would still be the law of the land, and a whole host of world events would be substantially better. That said, we really don't need to rehash it one more time.

As for Newsom, most of the country does not know him and his record in California. Sure, the Republicans would try to paint California as a failing state, but they have a hard time of it when California excels, is the center of the tech world, the center of the motion picture industry, is the fifth largest economy in the world, and all of the cool people want to live here (to wit, why is it that it is always the losers and geezers who make such a big deal out of leaving CA; Stallone, Marky Mark, Kirk Cameron, et. al.)?

No, R30, you're not paying for Newsom's long run for the presidency. As for the recall, bring it on. He'll beat the MAGAts in the lunatic north by even greater margins than he did last time. You do know he got more votes in the recall than he did in the general, right? We're pretty happy with Gavin.

[quote] Biden is an autocrat.

And you don't know what you're writing about. 'Nuff said.

Newsom will make a fine POTUS one day... just not in 2024.

^ nope. An independent.

R34, why do people think you have to be extreme to disagree (a lot on moderate and even democrates do not approve of him)....

A poll by UC Berkeley's institute of governmental studies, co-sponsored by the Los Angeles Times, found that 49% of registered voters in California disapproved of their governor. And 43% opposed him “taking on a more prominent role in national politics” via TV appearances and travel.

[quote] We have Gavin Newsom to thank for gay marriage, as he allowed it to go forward in San Francisco and everyone was happy about it. It broke through the tremendous resistance, and was eventually made law in the US.

Are you on crack? Gay marriage had nothing to do with California.

R36 , Spectrum News is right wing.

As long as Gavin Newsom is governor, California will not be banning abortion or declaring fertilized embryos "people."

Gavin Newsom won his election to governor in a landslide.

His plan for tackling homelessness, drug addiction and mental illness has bipartisan support and is a heroic and ambitious plan for California.

The approval/disapproval numbers are always hard to understand because they really don't mean anything. I've taken those polls and I've said I disapprove of the way Newsom is handling his job when there is something going on I don't like and he's placed himself in the middle. But the fact remains that he won the last recall with greater actual votes than when he ran in the general. He'd done and is doing a good job. I'll vote for Newsom for governor and POTUS when his time comes.

Funny how when a Democratic governor gets involved in national politics we get the usual "he shouldn't do that!" from the usual suspects, but when a Republican governor flails at the office all we hear is that he's brave and ready to "shake things up!"

R37, go read a history book. You might learn something. Maybe. Can you read?

Agreed, R38; Prop 1 looks like the first real attempt at finally fixing Reagan's mess and I hope it passes. Once again, California leads the nation (as usual, kicking and screaming like a petulant child).

R37 , I don't blame you for being ignorant about California, as you are obviously from an inferior state.

Just google gay marriage and California, and see the article below.

[quote]As a CA tax payer,

LOL, sure, Jan @ r30...

I propose that Gavin and Kamala trade positions.

She was well liked in Northern California during her many years of public service and office holding, but she seems like a ghost as VP. I can see her taking on over for Gavin's role and moving back home.

Gavin would give people a lot more confidence when voting for president that is over the optimal age if he were to be Biden's VP.

R41, WTF??? I'm saying I am a CA taxpayer and your response is "sure Jan".

You're illogical. I am saying who I am and you are disagreeing. You clearly make no sense.

Or 42 Biden and Harris could you know… just, step down.

R39, you are a disguising human being. You can't disagree with someone without rudely attacking someone. Polls mean something and even though he is your hero,. others disagree.

It's sad that we can't have conversations and learn from each other but rather are closed off and name call.

R39, I pity you.

Disguising? Like Carmen San Diego?

He's a quick learner. At the debate with DeRonda he started out falteringly with nervous smiles. By the end he was dominating. He'd make a fine President and the Rethugs are terrified of him.

It's good that his name is out there. You don't want to end-up in November with nothing. Which is all the Republicans will have if Trump goes to prison. Or drops dead.

[quote] At the debate with DeRonda he started out falteringly with nervous smiles. By the end he was dominating.

That may have been… deliberate.

Clever girl.

Don’t you know the Presidency was written for Biden?

“It might be written for a cow named Clara, too. Don’t underestimate me, Mother. I’m not a child anymore. I know about sex”.

Gavin Newsom has more baggage than an airport carousel after a fully booked flight.

I don't think most people know much about Newsom across the country, other than whatever BS Faux News has said about him.

He's dangerous because he might actually win, which is why the GOP is flocking to ding his reputation and dismantle any momentum he might have.

R50 And Trump didn’t? Trump started an insurrection and the media is treating his reelection campaign as normal!

Any argument against Gavin Newsom’s candidacy is negated by Trump’s election. We live in a new era. At least take advantage of the benefits.

R51, Newsom’s done time in rehab for his addictions and he had an affair with his campaign manager’s wife.

He has admitted to both.

The marriage to Guilfoyle showed poor judgment.

It's strange to me that the Dems would embrace a candidate whose state has had people leaving in droves for a while, and has the highest homeless population in the nation. With areas of some of the most unaffordable real estate anywhere. There was a time when a candidate would become attractive based on great accomplishments.

Gavin without the hair gel.

SCHWING!!!

Sweet Jesus, he looks like Hot Nerd!

Gavin, TAKE ME NOW!

R53, saying "poor judgement" is a great selling point for a potential presidency....

R55 I think he looks A LOT BETTER! SUN MELTING HAWT. See, we can come to a common ground!

[quote]I have no sympathy for women in red states. They need voting Repug and deserve their suffering.

Do you feel the same way about gay men living in red states? Or indeed any Democrats living in red states?

Nobody wins an election with 100 percent of the vote. There are always people who voted against the Republicans yet some of the posters on this site wish the most terrible things on them.

People live in red states because they have a job there, because their elderly parents live there, because they can't afford to live in blue states, etc. That doesn't make them the enemy. Somebody needs to turn the states purple, after all.

R55 adorable 😍😍😍

[quote]It's strange to me that the Dems would embrace a candidate whose state has had people leaving in droves for a while

LoL, r54, there you go again. We're fine...

Oh please thirty years ago Democrats bent over backwards defending Bill Clinton for cigarbanging a fat Jewess and now we’re suddenly scared because Gavin Newsom went to rehab?

Trump is a convicted RAPIST! Biden’s son is corrupt as hell and fucked his brother’s widow! It doesn’t matter anymore!

R58, that is a good point. I like how you provided information in a way that everyone could relate to and minds could be changed....great job!

Thank you, R62.

R60 I'm a registered Democrat. So you can stop with the same old Jessica Walter link.

PS Did I say anything that was a lie? What don't you like about reality?

[quote] It's strange to me that the Dems would embrace a candidate whose state has had people leaving in droves for a while, and has the highest homeless population in the nation. With areas of some of the most unaffordable real estate anywhere. There was a time when a candidate would become attractive based on great accomplishments.

Yeah that was before we found out a failed casino operator could win the Presidency as long as he found a way to continually bring attention to himself.

R65 So...let me get this straight. The argument for Newsom is the same as for Biden? "He's not Trump?"

Please aim higher.

[quote]Biden’s son is corrupt as hell

Sure, Jan

[quote]The argument for Newsom

Keep trying, r66. It isn't an argument for Newsom, it's a rebuttal to your argument *against* him.

[quote]PS Did I say anything that was a lie?

Yes, r64, as a matter of fact you did.

[quote]He's getting recalled because he is doing everything except his job.

The recall didn't work last time, either.

It's a grievance campaign made up of mostly sour, bitter, nasty assholes who are either rich and want to have every public amenity yet pay no taxes....or nutters that want California to be a fascist state.

[quote] Sure, Jan

See? You can never point out anything to Biden supporters negative about him. They will never take any accountability.

Exactly, r69.

Reagan won by going Ted Knight.

[quote]You can never point out anything to Biden supporters negative about him.

The election is in nine months. If you aren't for Biden, you're for Trump. Period.

Sure, the other guy said he'd turn us into a dictatorship, but let's squabble over how great it would be if Jill Stein was elected!

Ah yes, Gavin Newsom, that great friend to women. Wonder how many women got raped in California prisons today by a violent man claiming "womanhood"?

No R73, if you are for Biden, you are for Trump. Biden is going to lose, badly. I'm sorry you hitched yourself to an AMC Gremlin. Really. But you cannot use this argument. Biden did not have the decency to step down as an EIGHTY TWO YEAR OLD MAN should have done. He will not win be elected again, and he is going to be tossed overboard, as Gavin would say, whether you like it or not. Ergo, because of his hubris, he is going to face the humiliation of being metaphorically thrown down the stairs at the maniac with the hook. "The election is nine months away!" Whose fault is that?

Fucking Boomers, they piss in your lemonade and then tell you to drink it and not complain. Fuck that.

Such the drama queen, r76. You must be exhausting to be around.

[quote]People live in red states because they have a job there, because their elderly parents live there, because they can't afford to live in blue states, etc. That doesn't make them the enemy. Somebody needs to turn the states purple, after all.

Sotrue r58, and people have failed to understand the power of the Senate.

If you are a woman, or black or Latino or LGBT+ and you have a Republican Senator, you must vote to remove them. If it weren't for Republican Senators, we would not have the Corrupt Leo/Crow Court, and their life-changing decisions. Republican Senatore are the reason DC is not a State. If DC were a state, the movement to the Capitol for the Insurrection would not have happened because the Insurrectionists would not have been able to follow Trumps order to the Capitol as the DC Governor controls the state's streets and the movement would have been stopped. The Governor could have also stopped "protestors" from entering DC. But Statehood gives this state two Senators. AHHH, The Senate. The Bipartisan Immigration Bill includes everything EXCEPT a pathway to citizenship. MORE DEMOCRATS. More Democratic Senators!

But, ever since Prohibition and Women's Suffrage, Capitalist Republicans have pissed off EVERY WOMAN in America and Capitalist Republicans know they can only control women at the ballot box,,,intil NOW.

So, r58, if you throw gerrymandering into the mix of things that keep Blue states Purple, the 2024 election is the massive Red State referendum on Republican Capitalists who control the Senate because Republicans cannot gerrymander whole state elections.

That is why Kansas, Wisconsin and Ohio have repudiated tyrannical Republican rule in the election cycle we are in! That is why women/Black/Latino/LGBT+ voters in red states voting for Democrats will make Civil War level change. In fact, it will be the final end of the Civil War and the final end of The Lost Cause giving full citizen rights to women/Blacks/Latinos and LGBT+ citizens by electing a Democratic Super Majority in the Senate.

I want Gav's dong to punch me in the fartbox.

Psychiatrist: Trump showing signs of gross dementia

"Biden's brain is aging, Trump's brain is dementing."

Lead up to r80...

Let Lawrence explain a couple things...

[quote] Yes, [R64], as a matter of fact you did.

R68 And...what was it?

.......

The back-and-forth surrounding a so-called exodus from California really amuses me. If you listen to the naysayers and pundits on the right, you'd think California was a hellhole teetering on the brink of collapse with people packing their belongings in their jalopy and heading east in a bizarro world reversal of [italic]The Beverly Hillbillies{/italic] when in reality, people who can't make it here are simply giving up and crawling back to whence they came. Meanwhile, we have other people moving in and giving it their best shot — which is exactly how it should be. There are cities and states that people want to live in, so much so that competition is severe, resources are limited, and some people just can't make it. There's no shame in that; California living isn't for everyone.

Of course we had a significant decline in population due to the pandemic. We have two major metropolitan regions with more people in [italic]each[/italic] than half the states [italic]combined.[/italic] and city living was difficult throughout the pandemic. If I lived in a cramped apartment in the center of SF or LA, I would have picked up and left too (assuming I couldn't move elsewhere in California with less density and lower costs of living). But it amounted to a decline of 0.3% of the population. That is not a mass exodus.

Of course, the facts belie the claim that "everyone is leaving California!". First, real estate remains a seller's market with limited availability, stable if not increasing prices, and significant competition. If everyone was leaving, there should be a glut of homes on the market. The employment scene remains healthy with low unemployment and opportunity. The State's fiscal condition is good with a healthy rebound post-pandemic (due to immigration, but that's an argument for another rant), and since we have responsible Democrats running the government, we're able to cover the current shortfall in tax revenue (again, due to the pandemic and moreover, pandemic spending that was good for residents of the State) with prior years' surpluses.

I get that there is a great deal of jealousy emanating from red states with economies in the toilet, discrimination against anyone other than straight white Christian men, no jobs, no prospects, poor living conditions, and state social safety nets in tatters despite the meager assistance they actually provide. Florida is the best example. And, of course, when you look at the actual statistics, you find that more people are leaving Florida for California than the other way around despite Casey DeSantis' tweeting. Go ahead, Florida: send us your scientists, doctors, teachers, college professors, creative professionals, and we'll send you the poorly educated, poorly motivated and failing individuals who don't have the capacity for self improvement. Tallahassee can't fill those trailer parks by itself!

And before you all blather on about our homeless problem, the State is, finally after recovering from the last Republican governator who wrecked our economy (not to mention a pandemic that was wholly preventable if only we'd had leadership in DC), on a footing to tackle the problem. We have a proposition on the ballot that (with significant differences but the gist remains) will finally fix the mess that Ronald Reagan created: drug treatment, mental health treatment, housing, and a multitude of programs that only government can tackle. In yet another way, California will lead the nation.

But go on smugly proclaiming California's failure. It keeps the undesirable away.

R40, Obergefell v. Hodges had nothing to do with California. You’ve gone full retard. Gay marriage was also already legal in Vermont. It was the first state to do so.

Massachusetts was the first state to do it in November 2003. Gavin Newsom ordered the City to recognize Same Sex marriage in February 2004. California finally recognized same sex marriage in 2008 only to be overturned the same year with Prop 8.

Newsom’s act of provocation, which I disagreed with at the time because I felt it should be done through courts and the legislature, was the kind of thing very few Democrats did but which Republicans seemed to regularly and sadistically do all the time (Greg Abbott, Ron DeSantis).

Obama famously asked not to be photographed with Gavin Newsom because of the ordeal (I forget if this was when he was running for Illinois Senate or President.)

R87, thank you for confirming that Gavin had nothing to do with gay marriage becoming legal nationwide.

Miss Newsom needs to go dry out at the drunk tank again.

R23, your statement lacks empathy.

Some women are stuck in red states for a variety of good reasons. Just up and leaving your family and support system is not as easy as you may assume.

[quote] Like Lenin, Biden is an autocrat.

Speaking of clinical insanity

R92 the fundamentally authoritarian nature of Joe Biden was made clear last night. The decision by Merrick Garland to drag his feet on January 6 may have simply been in line with Biden’s own views of executive privilege. The President is above the law.

OR Biden was willing to subvert due process simply because he wanted what he felt was an advantage in having the theatrics take place before in an election year so he would have a weakened opponent.

Biden’s choice of Merrick Garland, a Federalist Society Republican, aligns with essentially illiberal views. Biden supporters assured us that justice would prevail. As they did with Comey. As they did with Mueller. In the end, these were all old white men who protect old white men.

By the way isn’t it fascinating how so many Biden people have shut up completely within the past twelve hours?

R93, Biden foolishly chose Garland for AG to please Obama after Garland was denied a SCOTUS appointment.

R92, and he continues to exhibit his detachment from reality.

Not a troll, a Trumptard.

Grease fire.

[bold]BIDEN FOOLISHLY CHOSE[/bold]

That’s all you needed to say.

Biden. Foolishly. Chose.

That is the end of his reelection.

R96 denial, ANGER, bargaining, depression, acceptance

By the way reading through X one can get a good idea of the nature of how social media created Trumpism

A echo chamber used cynically by clout chasers. These people are DEVASTATED by something that was evident years ago. They have been sold and resold snake oil. Merrick Garland was never going to punish Trump. Biden will never uphold your fantasy version of him that combined FDR and Elliot Ness.

Do you know what Biden is?

Biden is Noah Cross.

OMG, the Trumptard is prolific and indefatigable.

Put him, r97, on ignore, and my page blew up with desperate Republican shit. Ewwwwww.

R99

If hatred of Biden and Garland’s incompetence makes one a Republican, then you have a lot of very angry Republicans on Twitter today who have pronouns in their signature

I hope Newsom is bi. He is totally my type.

So many angry Republicans

[quote]If hatred of Biden and Garland’s incompetence makes one a Republican, then you have a lot of very angry Republicans on Twitter today who have pronouns in their signature

No, it makes them blind Trumptards.

R8 Is this a myth, too?

14,000 people of all ages are living in cars, vans and RVs in California.

(Many are employed.)