Can you believe a new democracy would last for only a hundred years?

OP- Did you know that in 1973 our standard of living peaked and our manufacturing peaked.

We are much poorer today then we were back then.

“We”?

It’s part of a worldwide shift toward rightwing authoritarianism fueled by a vast concentration in wealth. It’s no coincidence Rupert Murdoch set up a rightwing propaganda broadcaster, and Elon musk purchased a major social network platform and now supports rightwing “populism.”

So, there really was a plan for the “New World Order”.

… but it was the people fearmongering about it that were setting it up….

You have a republic...if you can keep it.

The night Ronald Reagan won the election in a landslide over Carter was the beginning of the end. I remember where I was when I heard JFK was shot; when the planes hit the World Trade Center towers; and when I heard that Reagan had won. The man who said government was the problem, which had previously been what anarchists said. Now the government was the enemy. Reagan fired the unionized flight controllers, signaling the start of the decline of unions’ power. Then he cut taxes drastically for the rich in 1986, leading to the rise of the 1% and the decline in the quality of public education, which contributed to the growth of the poorly-educated MAGAs. Wouldn’t say AIDS, as if gay men were subhumans that weren’t worth caring about, rather than fellow Americans. Reagan’s “Evil Empire” wasn’t only the Soviet Union, it was his own vision of America. He was projecting to cover his evilness long before Trump and the MAGA politicians did.

If this where we pretend that in the past there some kind of utopia in America? Let's reference a mythical past that never was to try to disparage the present, which for most people is a far better life than they would have had if they had lived 50 or 100 years ago.

My God, I am so very upset by what's going on in America. In the world. I think we are VERY close to an unspeakably horrific series of events that most of us would be lucky to die at the start of. No one wants to face it or talk about, it but the ball seems to be fucking rolling on it. God help us all. Jesus Christ.

MARY! me all the fuck you want. I think Rod Serling summed it up best at the end of Planet of the Apes:

"You fucking maniacs! You blew it all up!"

May GOD have MERCY on our collective SOULS.

But you, r9, do agree that you're a psychologically damaged person, right?

And every one of those things in OP's post were achieved due to Democrats, while being fought tooth and nail by the Republicans. Well, they may have finally figured out how to reverse it all. Human nature to tend to be tribal - which leads to hating the "other" and wanting all the resources only for your "in group" - and then there will be some more evolved empathic types, but in the end... tribalism will win. (hopefully not, but it's hard to be optimistic now)

R10 That may be. But OPEN YOUR EYES. We're already down a path that I do not believe we can turn back from.

I don’t believe Reagan was inherently evil. He bought into the stuff being feed to him by the evil people surrounding him. His in-laws and their ilk.

One of the things I never understood about Reagan was his taking away tax write offs for all the rich assholes raising Arabian horses as living works of art. His support of those credits would seem to be right up his alley. He liked horses and rich people. .

Reagan did some wonderful things.

Yes.^^. He made ketchup my favorite vegetable.

Name 'em, r15. Name 'em.

R17 He supported freedom by supporting Nicaraguan freedom fighters!

That Showtime documentary series about The Reagans from a few years ago was pretty eye opening. I remember Watergste and the 1976 election but by 1980 I was a teenager and wasn’t really paying attention. Reagan was a successful spokesperson for GE, living in a residence (showroom) for all of GE’s wares. The Conservatives just gave him a different script. He was a pawn, which does make him evil.

[quote] One of the things I never understood about Reagan was his taking away tax write offs

R14 That was part of the flim-flam of the tax changes of 1986: certain tax “loopholes” were “eliminated” to make the new tax plan revenue neutral for a certain number of years in the face of the very large decreases in the top tax rates, but other loopholes were subsequently created, and some of the old loopholes worked their way back into the tax code over time, but tax rates didn’t go back up.

Yes OP.

Everyone was told, repeatedly, over and over again, that this was going to happen. Just like with global warming. Das Capital was published in 1867. Capitalism was not tenable and would self destruct, democracy tied to capitalism would self destruct. Why are you surprised?

Furthermore OP something tells me you are a Boomer. A white Boomer.

White Boomers will never accept that America is fundamentally terrible.

Furthermore, the inherent rottenness of your world is evident by the man below

This man and everything he represents is a piece of shit. Yet, Democrats - almost all of your generation- will tell you that this man is your savior, you cannot question him and that you must support his reelection or else.

Because America is rotten and Joe Biden is a piece of shit, we are going to be getting a Presidential nominee who has managed to completely avoid the trials of the primary season. Gavin Newsom, a man I don’t particularly like but who has one admirable quality - his astonishing cynicism - is going to get an incumbent President tossed off the ticket and himself coronated through backroom wrangling.

Have you been to California OP? It’s terminal, crazy and mean. If elected, we will be getting the President we deserve.

I agree with r9 and have felt the same way since the pandemic. Something is going to happen and soon because people are done with the unfairness of it all. The breakdown of society is already happening...people killing other people because they mouthed off to them, mobs of kids robbing stores, street takeovers that end in mobs breaking into businesses and taking whatever they want, homeless people being given hotel rooms to live in that they then trash and turn to shit because they are mentally ill or they simply do not give a fuck anymore. Let's not even list all the backlash against 'others" in our society which means you and me. It's not just politics anymore..it's how people are treating the leaders of their party like cult leaders. America also lost its collective shit when a black man was elected president. I've never seen such nastiness in my life.

If this is what America has become, it's no longer a place I want to live in. But sadly, it's happening in many other countries and it's only a matter of time before things erupt.

Ancient Rome started out a type of democracy. It lasted about 500 years.

[quote]Did you know that in 1973 our standard of living peaked and our manufacturing peaked.

And this was the same year that the CIA assisted in the overthrow of a democratically elected government and the installation of a fascist dictatorship.

[bold]It was always rotten.[/bold]

Jesus, so many Boomer pussies in here. You wouldn’t have lasted a day during the Great Depression. There are always dark times in history. That’s life.

I resist OP's conception of American democracy having started in the 1930s.

[quote] If this where we pretend that in the past there some kind of utopia in America?

Ok Defacto, yes it’s so amazing now with people in middle America holding multiple jobs but even then barely hanging on as the Bezoses and Musks make tens of billions every year.

Meanwhile in the 50s, billionaire-equivalents would have paid a vastly higher percentage of tax, and the American middle class was never more affluent.

Even the old Bible says things based on lies don't work. Lies like everyone is equal, what is commodified is not destroyed, wars are in the interest of peace, so forth. The US isn't unique in those but it's believed its own hype instead of working to make it reality. Nationalism is arrogance.

A free and equal democracy is the death knell for republicans

We've been an oligarchy for some time now.

R22, thank you for sharing this clip. Tony Kushner is a literary genius.

[quote]Furthermore OP something tells me you are a Boomer. A white Boomer. White Boomers will never accept that America is fundamentally terrible.

And yet here you are r22. How sad it must be for you.

[quote]and the American middle class was never more affluent.

And the privileges of the middle class were largely limited to WHITE FAMILIES with almost all financial independence laying solely with the MALE BREADWINNER.

Typical Trumpian Boomer, assume everything was better in the past because things were better for THEIR people.

[quote] Let's not even list all the backlash against 'others" in our society which means you and me.

R25, have you ever otherized any other people, especially any group of people whose views are different than yours, or who live in any specific parts of the country? Can you answer that question without lying?

Less like Denmark, more like Brazil

[quote]Typical Trumpian Boomer, assume everything was better in the past because things were better for THEIR people.

Oh dear. R36 links to a photo of mid-Depression 1937, with copy that acknowledges that the Black individuals photographed are “dressed pretty well,” despite being flood victims.

[quote]Women have beautiful long pea coats, clean hats; heels and two women are even shown wearing hosiery in great condition. The men are depicted wearing nice long coats, non-wrinkled pants and all of which are wearing hats.

[quote] This man and everything he represents is a piece of shit. Yet, Democrats - almost all of your generation- will tell you that this man is your savior, you cannot question him and that you must support his reelection or else.

You are so full of shit.

Also, I don't remember anyone saying "don't question Biden". What a load of shit.

R41 you are a load of shit. Biden supporters act like that in every thread. Part if the reason so many people have turned against him.

They probably act like that because they remember what happened in 2016.

R28 imagines people during the Great Depression suffered in stoic silence, and expressed no longing for better times.

We have grown soft and weak and easily triggered. We no longer work for any common good, we no longer serve, we no longer do the heavy lifting. We whine and complain . Then we whine and complain some more..Usually on the Internet.

Evolution is a bitch. As is democracy if the wrong side wins.

Fuck you maybe you're soft. I'm hard as a rock.

[quote] Meanwhile in the 50s, billionaire-equivalents would have paid a vastly higher percentage of tax, and the American middle class was never more affluent.

This isn't true, this is a misconception.

R23, it's either Biden or white Christian Nationalism. This movement wants reconstruct the United States of American into a theocracy, based on the Bible's Old Testament laws. GAY PEOPLE WITH BE STONED TO DEATH!!

This was proposed by Gary North, a white Christian reconstructionalist. See below:

1. Per the Bible, stoning for capital punishment is sanctioned. Also, it's inexpensive; stones are abundant and can be easily found.

2. Stoning will be a community event; the executor and even the public can stone the "sinners" to death. The so called "sinners" include adulterers, blasphemers, people who curse their parents and women who abort their fetuses and witchcraft.

OP, this will happen if Trump is elected. Of course, Trump himself won't be punished for his transgressions.

Certainly, The great Athenian "democracy" lasted for only 150 years. In our vastly faster paced interconnected global society 100 years is pretty good.

R48, thanks for that reminder. Apparently, many on this thread care more about Biden's gaffes than the possibility of Christian nationalism becoming law.

[quote]it's either Biden or white Christian Nationalism.

That’s right, r48, because there are exactly zero other high-level Democratic office-holders in the entire country of 50 states, age 35 and up, who'd be qualified to stand for election in November, aside from this very elderly, impaired, petulant mediocrity.

End stage global capitalism administered by a gerontocracy is not conducive to democracy. It's a petri dish for fascism.

R51, since you don't want Biden, who is the best person, in your opinion?

Reality check

Pedantic Boomer turd supports imbecilic power structure

Film at 11

Biden cannot be the nominee if he steps down. He will be forced to step down.

R54, THANK YOU!!!

I hope that this video educates the anti-Biden people.

[quote] since you don't want Biden, who is the best person, in your opinion?

Well thanks to Grandfather Cornpop, r51 is not able to make an informed decision because he and all other Democrats were DEPRIVED OF PRIMARY DEBATES.

We are STUCK with Gavin Newsom. STUCK. We have been ASSIGNED Gavin Newsom at birth.

R55, how will Biden be forced to step down?

[quote] This movement wants reconstruct the United States of American into a theocracy, based on the Bible's Old Testament laws. GAY PEOPLE WITH BE STONED TO DEATH!! This was proposed by Gary North, a white Christian reconstructionalist.

So according to you, the views of every random person in the United States must be treated as if they could actually become reality. I’m sure you can find even far more lunatic ideas on both sides, so you’ll have plenty of material to draw on for creating your insane predictions. Also, DL is a great place, as you can see, to find others to agree with your lunacy.

How will the sheep be shit on?

R56, it's not going to in this thread. That poster is really convinced that Biden's age and gaffes are really the equivalent of Trump and the Republican party's plan to have Christianity dominate America. Never mind Biden's actual accomplishments and the fact that he is a bridge between the liberal dems and moderates.

[quote] I’m sure you can find even far more lunatic ideas on both sides, so you’ll have plenty of material to draw on for creating your insane predictions.

This reminds me of how people on this same forum said that nobody would dare touch Roe vs. Wade and that all those claiming it would be repealed were just being doomers.

Also, I hate the squad but NOTHING they have proposed is anywhere near as psychotic as what the right has proposed. The "both sides do it" rhetoric does not apply here.

[quote] how will Biden be forced to step down?

Party elders and major donors will begin publicly advocating for his ouster if he does not agree to do it. The reputational damage would be immense and destroy any chance of reelection.

R64, did you watch that Lawrence O'Donnell video, post R54?

Democracy due to its required acceptance of individual diversity carries with it the seeds of its own destruction. Fascism with its mind lock pack mentality does not have this problem.

Since I found DL and get my daily news here I realize the only way to achieve a fair open democratic democracy with freedom for all is for those who vote GOP to all die. And of course for all those running for GOP office should also all die.

And those moderate Dems who are not totally in lock step with the correct progressive ideas , the enemy within, they should also all die.

Yes r65 i have.

Following a Biden exit, the money raised could simply be returned.

Joe Biden has been going to fundraiser after fundraiser in California. These are all Gavin Newsom’s people. They would send the money back to Gavin Newsom.

Replacing Biden with Newsom would be dumb. People in flyover states are not going to vote for him.

They voted for New Yorker Trump.

Yes, because Trump was sold to middle America for years as this great, savvy, tough businessman. Nothing like that exists for Gavin.

Being the rational legislator with 40-50 years of experience no longer matters. What matters is who can shout the loudest. Gavin Newsom can do that.

[quote] Yes, because Trump was sold to middle America for years as this great, savvy, tough businessman. Nothing like that exists for Gavin.

No, Trump was sold as someone who told people what they wanted to hear.

Gavin Newsom is not a great candidate and not even a great governor. That does not matter. He faces off against Trump, he is younger, energetic and louder. He faces off against Haley, he’s a white man. That’s his advantage. Optics.

Remember Back to the Future? Doc Brown says of the camcorder and Reagan, “A portable television studio! No wonder the President is an actor, he has to look good on camera all the time!”

That is our reality.

[quote] They voted for New Yorker Trump.

And who was he running against? Remind me where she was from.

I liked Jay Inslee

[quote] And who was he running against? Remind me where she was from.

Illinois.

R54, just watched the whole video, it's great. It reminds me of something Truman said years ago (in his memoir). He remarked that the real work in government was done behind the scenes, everything else was theatrics. And its true. The real hard work is done behind the scenes. And we know Biden does a lot behind the scenes. Biden played a HUGE part in getting Obamacare passed (along with Pelosi) since he is well-liked on both sides of the aisle. Biden reminds me of Truman in some ways. Neither were eloquent speakers and they were looked down by a large portion of their own party but they hustled a lot to get shit done. Unlike some people who just make scenes when the cameras are on and do nothing once it's off.

Biden reminds you of Truman? Guess who had the wisdom not to run for reelection in 1952?

Biden has no reason to drop out when he is still winning against Trump

R79

What the hell is wrong with you

2024 Election: Biden Holds On To Slight Lead Over Trump, Quinnipiac University National Poll Finds; Trump Gets Higher Marks On Age, Mental & Physical Fitness; Biden Does Better On Ethics, Empathy & Temperament

Gawd, the anti-Biden troll is deeply committed. The Newsom thing has been completely debunked. Probably a bunch of bullshit Russian propaganda.

R81, exactly. This person is a fucking troll.

“Anyone who doesn’t show complete obedience to Biden is a Russian troll”

See? This is why nobody likes Grandpa Cornpop.

A “small lead” over the disaster that a Trump re-election poses is NOT “winning,” r79. Would you feel comfortable with a 51% chance of avoiding an earthquake measuring 8 on the Richter scale? Look at the fucking risk involved, ffs we're being held hostage by the ego of this over the hill incumbent who promised he'd be gone after a single term.

I'm glad I'm old.

[quote] This reminds me of how people on this same forum said that nobody would dare touch Roe vs. Wade

That would be another good example of a ludicrous prediction by such people.

The anti-Biden troll is a Trumpie. They don’t want to be convinced, they want to sow doubt about Joe. Just block the asshole.

[quote] 2024 Election: Biden Holds On To Slight Lead Over Trump, Quinnipiac University National Poll Finds

Wow. Quinnipiac created another outlier poll result in February and people are still grasping at their polls to put all their faith in.

R87

“they want to sow doubt about Joe”

Thanks you for realizing the rest of us are far to stupid and easily lead and need to be protected . And if not protected that will lead to doubt with a Capitol D.

[quote] to stupid

Oh, dear.

[quote] easily lead

Oh, dear.

[quote]Capitol D

DOUBLE oh, dear.

No, you moron, wanting another choice besides Biden doesnt mean someone’s a Trumpie, it’s the opposite. Its the opposite—we’re being bumped to the edge of the precipice and risk-assessment demands some decent INSURANCE besides the graveyard-whistling, ears-plugged nattering of DNC interns in their 20s. Oh, and fuck yourself, while you’re at it.

[quote] And the privileges of the middle class were largely limited to WHITE FAMILIES with almost all financial independence laying solely with the MALE BREADWINNER.

You live in a country where the majority are white, Sherlock.

R91, Biden has had a great term as President, with real accomplishments that benefit all Americans. He has shown us that he can beat Trump. I don’t know of any particular Democrat at this time, with primaries underway and a national vote in 8 months, who could raise the money or support. Oh, and fuck yourself.

R78, how odd; you failed to mention the 1948 election.

R91 = GOP closet queen who’s not been fucked since George W., left the White House.

This thread reeks of MAGA posts.

There’s no use in arguing with the anti-Biden troll. People like him have idle days with endless time on the internet. Perhaps he’s on SSI, welfare, and food stamps? Is he embittered?

R47 I read about The Tax Foundation’s mission on their website.

[quote] For over 80 years, our mission has remained the same: to improve lives through tax policies that lead to greater economic growth and opportunity. Our vision is a world where the tax code doesn’t stand in the way of success.

Hmm…

R94

Isn’t it more odd that you mentioned it?

A President getting elected with a clear mandate and then, four years later, deciding not to pursue another term because he has low approval ratings and health issues? This is the fight you want to pick?

Are you autistic or something?

R92 = exactly why I hate Biden’s supporters

They love racism.

[quote] I don’t know of any particular Democrat at this time, with primaries underway and a national vote in 8 months

Grandpa drove us into a ditch, we may as well settle here.

I watched a very good documentary last night called Harlan County, USA. It is about coal miners trying to get a fair living wage, etc. in 1976. I highly recommend it. It won an academy award and deservedly so.

BUT WE DON'T HAVE A REAL CHOICE!

What I've heard in every presidential election since 1968

R103 Yeah, Michael Moore rightly called it 'the evil of two lessers'.

But I learned my lesson when I voted for Ralph Nader in 2000. Oooops.

This country is a two party political system so vote Democratic and try to make change from within.

R24, no beets for you.

R99, why are you so hostile?

R106 why do you get defensive when someone points out your incredibly faulty thinking?

R106 I think Hostility 101 is one of the classes in Internet Troll school. So is Ad Hominem Attacks 101. That curriculum goes all the back to the days of the Usenet Newsgroups.

R98, the data they cite is from Piketty who is the farthest thing from right-wing.

R103, yup, and look how well that turned out in 1968!

I concur that Truman/Biden pairing is accurate. They were both (and Joe is currently) treated like shit a lot and got beat up quite a bit, but they are both old fighters who do NOT quit, even when the newspapers tell you you’ve lost. I read the McCullough biography of Harry.

Also, Harry broke a up in the WH while banging Bess. They were both mortified when agents came into their room hearing a crash. Somehow, I can see old man Biden in the same scenario with Jill-sy. I bet both couples had a great sex life, they are both alpha males.

How long will that last R8? You sound like one of the 1% who know better about how the rest of us should live.

When Reagan lost his first attempt at a presidential nomination my dad said “oh he’s through, he’s done.” I saw him still writing his column in newspapers espousing his right wing politics and I bet my dad 100.00 he wasn’t done, just watch. I should have collected on that bet.

Umm, because I wasn’t alive in 1867 R21?

Yeah I’m a Boomer.

Yes R23, anyone but Trump. Biden may or may not be many things, but he is not a madman.

I live in California R24 thank God. I have my doubts about Newsome but I feel safer here than anywhere else in the US, and I have lived and worked coast to coast.

I should write a book. By happenstance I have lived next to and involved with the best of boomer living. My parents were depression-era babies and raised in small towns. The best thing they did as parents was to talk about their childhoods (and they did endlessly) because that ingrained in us a sense of history that was personal and could be imagined. They grew up during WW2 and my father was in the Navy during the Korean conflict. I was born in Texas and my early years were spent next to an Air Force base. Sonic booms were a regularity and a sign of times to come. It was thrilling. Convoys of military vehicles would drive down the street next to ours in flat green with the star and bars on them. Every Sunday we would walk around the corner after dinner to the elementary school to eat our polio vaccine injected sugar cubes. Army men and weapons were still big toys, WW2 didnt seem that far away, and plenty of movie and TV programs showcased it. We moved to CA and lived in an original Eichler home before it was a big deal. I remember watching the JFK funeral, the Beatles arriving, the first skateboard popularity, Gumby and Pokey, Slinky, Mr. Potato Head, and the first reruns of The Mickey Mouse Club. We moved to Minneapolis and walked across the street to the original Metropolitan stadium to watch football games. The first shopping club you paid for, Gemco, was next door along with a corn field. Our first home in Kansas City MO was a typically new suburban rancher with a wishing well out front. After was a decaying estate with roaming peacocks, it’s own lake, guest cottages, swimming pool, decorative Japanese pond, barbecue pavilion, and an explorable history perfect for children.

I remember living in KCMO and loving it. It was in no way the Neo Nazi place it seems to be now. My parents were liberal Democrats so we were infused with that and it seemed so right and just. They were thrilled when we started school among black students. I don’t remember it being a big deal. I do remember a segregationist Wallace supporter living down the road whose kids we played with, always with reserve. We moved to SoCal in the early 70s and our parents went wild. Pot, key parties, open marriage, 🤮. My brother was long haired sun bleached surfer and I was a weirdo. Mom and Dad were alcoholics. We never knew there was anything wrong with them. Our friends had worse. We just kind of raised ourselves after that.

[quote] but they are both old fighters who do NOT quit

Truman literally quit in 1952. What is wrong with you?

Given you are a perverted freak who likes to imagine the Presidents’s sex life at 82, I am not sure I want to know.

R118/R119 = see this is why you can’t have people as old as Biden in the Presidency. They just start telling long, boring stories for no reason.

If the end of the Austro-Hungarian Empire (WWI) is where we locate the start of democracy in Germany, then it barely lasted 20 years.

With social media now in the mix, 100 years is probably quite good.

R10, you know you sound like every conservative I know who dismissed my fears the night Trump was elected, right? I agree with R9. Something sinister the size and scope of which we have no comprehension is on the horizon.

I don’t think it’s beyond comprehension. We are merely on the path to the society depicted in Blade Runner.

R123

“Something sinister the size and scope we have no comprehension is on the horizon”

How about a tiny hint as to what might happen so your friends here can be prepared.

Because saying something bad is going to happen at some time in the future is the kind of betting odds that never fucking fail.

Oh well, fortunately AI will be able to comprehend it, so we don't need to bother.

[quote] I live in California [R24] thank God. I have my doubts about Newsome but I feel safer here than anywhere else in the US

I feel safer knowing a doomsday whack job like you doesn’t live anywhere near me. Thank you for the reassurance.

[quote]Umm, because I wasn’t alive in 1867 [R21]?

Well, that certainly puts you in the minority here.

[quote] How about a tiny hint as to what might happen so your friends here can be prepared.

R125 For starters, how about the end of federal LGBT marriage via the Supreme Court and the end of all state LGBT marriages via federal legislation from a MAGA president, House, and Senate? If MAGAs can make abortion illegal country-wide (a goal they have stated) for >50% of the US population (women), ending LGBT marriage that affects <10% of the population could be a piece of cake for MAGAs.

A bit of a tangent but your post triggered this memory - recently, a friend of mine whose daughter has a severe birth defect has another daughter who is adamant about not wanting children because of that. She can't find a doctor who will agree to perform a sterilization on her. Men get vasectomies all the time! But because she's a 20-something female, no can do.

Pisses me off. And yes, this is a red state - the worst of them, probably - Mississippi. Could she travel to another state for this procedure? Maybe, but why is this fucking country like this??

I say it's because, as Christopher Hitchens said, "Religion Poisons Everything"

[quote] recently, a friend of mine whose daughter has a severe birth defect has another daughter who is adamant about not wanting children because of that. She can't find a doctor who will agree to perform a sterilization on her. Men get vasectomies all the time!

Her husband won’t get a vasectomy then as the alternative?

Why do you assume she's married?

It is not at all common for doctors to perform vasectomies on 20-something men with no children, R130.

If this young woman was in a place that allowed abortion for major foetal abnormalities, she would be able to have scans for the condition in question and abort if necessary: on the other hand, scans might show she is carrying a perfectly healthy child. So I can understand why doctors want to leave her with the option until she at least has a partner.

I understand why a health care provider might shy away from a sterilization of a young healthy person in their 20s no matter how much they think they wanted it.

Just as I think starting medical transition should be based on more than just I want it.

[quote]And every one of those things in OP's post were achieved due to Democrats, while being fought tooth and nail by the Republicans.

Lets you forget...

- Democrats opposed suffrage for women.

- Fought for the Confederacy to maintain slavery during the Civil War.

- Afterward, founded the Ku Klux Klan to terrorize blacks.

- And established Jim Crow laws to further segregate them into the mid-20th century.

The Democrats have only been on the right side of history since the 1960s.

[quote] I have my doubts about Newsome but I feel safer here than anywhere else in the US

Oh, dear, and you’re an idiot.

R135

Yes of course those who know nothing about history may not understand how the democrats played the key US role in saving the entire world. Like in the 1940s

R137, some say it was actually the U.S. military that saved the world.

R137

Some who don’t know anything about the UK and Russia or the role of US labor I would guess.

If the republicans had owned the WH in 1939 and on and people like the great aviator had sway as he would have, the US military may have never fought the Germans or in Europe during WW2..

R135, I think it's more of a mixed picture. FDR, a Democrat, did a LOT for the poor in the 1930s, with Social Security and his alphabet soup of programs. Then Harry Truman, another Democrat, desegregated the military in 1948, which I think started the breakaway of the southern Democrats from the party, though it took a while. (there were numerous third party candidates on segregationist tickets though that they sometimes supported instead of the national Democratic candidate).