Kelly Osbourne :"People Who Hates Ozempic Are Poor"

She was a much better child than she was an adult.

People just hate it because it makes it harder to judge fat people or claim some superiority over them. I personally cannot wait to see the long-term effects of THAT. As it becomes more accepted it will also get cheaper.

She has zero redeeming qualities.

People like Kelly Osbourne are too lazy to put the sausage rolls down and go for the occasional run.

mentally ill cunt but she's correct here.

[quote]She was a much better child than she was an adult.

When she was younger, she was fat and unattractive, so utilized the typical strategy of pretending to be edgy and the cool chick.

Turns out, she was just you standard pick-me girl. Now that she's had plastic surgery and isn't as fat or unattractive, she's just your run-of-the-mill nasty and entitled child of a celebrity.

Yeah right, Kelly. Ozempic and millions of dollars worth of plastic surgery and you’re turning into your gargoyle mother.

[quote]People just hate it because it makes it harder to judge fat people or claim some superiority over them. I personally cannot wait to see the long-term effects of THAT. As it becomes more accepted it will also get cheaper.

R2 How do you figure that?

If anything Ozempic makes fat more of a stigma, especially among the upper classes.

It divides 'the haves' and 'the have nots.'

I think the long-term effect will be that slim/fit = rich, fat/obese = poor, because the latter won't be able to afford it in large numbers, even after it becomes relatively cheaper.

[quote] I think the long-term effect will be that slim/fit = rich, fat/obese = poor

That's already the way things have been for the past 40 years.

She's obsessed with her weight. She emerges every 6 mos. to do a piece on her new svelte figure.

She's always sticking her foot in her mouth. There's no hope for her.

She’s not wrong. I think too a lot of people harbor the belief that fat people should suffer to lose weight. So if they aren’t because of Ozempic it pisses them off.

She’s ugly as sin now. She looks like an alien.

The only reason she has money to buy Ozempic is because of dad Ozzy Osbourne of Black Sabbath.

Then she got that E channel job. Now, nobody is checking f or her.

[quote] I think too a lot of people harbor the belief that fat people should suffer to lose weight. So if they aren’t because of Ozempic it pisses them off.

No. It's that there's no reason to take a drug that's already known to cause medical issues and damage (and who knows what else is coming down the pike) because you have no willpower to put the candy away and go for a walk. That's not suffering, it's actually having respect for your body and treating it well, something this pigfoot wouldn't understand. Her whole life she's watched her family treat themselves like garbage to a ridiculous excess and somehow get away with it. She's chav trash, and anyone who listens to her is just as stupid.

There’s no question that her statement about expecting Hispanics to just clean toilets wasn’t just inartful. She really is a terrible person.

[quote]She’s not wrong. I think too a lot of people harbor the belief that fat people should suffer to lose weight. So if they aren’t because of Ozempic it pisses them off.

Oh please, how is adopting a healthy lifestyle "suffering? I am not against Ozempic and I think it is a great idea for those who have genuinely battled obesity. That said, even if you are on Ozempic, you have to adopt healthy eating habits, including a calorie deficit.

Let them eat Rice Cakes.

I can understand someone as cursed as she is in the looks dep't being so bitter.

her mom looks like utter shit. like anorexic

I have a 25 minute walk to and from my gym everyday. That is 50 minutes of walking with a full on workout in between. I make all of my own food, don't eat out, don't eat junk food at all, no sodas. With my body type I have to cut out every ounce of sugar, zero alcohol, bread, anything carb or carb adjacent to effectively lose weight, with an intense workout routine.

If I found a source of Ozempic, and wasn't a scaredy-cat to take it, scared to give myself injections - I'd take it in a second to get a glimpse of what I'd look like now at the weight I was at 25.

It’s weird how she’s so much uglier in the face as a thin person though. I guess the fat was a buffer?

Her mom must have body and face dysmorphia disorder.

A new DL icon

I thought the purple hair was a brief phase, but she is committed to the color.

She’s rich, so she can afford the upkeep.

"I don't FOLLOW trends; I set them!"

She has always been such a cunt.

She's probably right to a degree; but that would make sense. If it's so amazing and life changing, it's got to be frustrating if it's financially out of reach. I can't believe that's her.

Is "body positivity" officially dead?

Yes I know I could Google it but I want a more colorful DL answer. How does this shit work?

I don’t like her so most of what she does annoys me

Let Kelly tell that to her paralyzed stomach.

[quote] "There’s no question that her statement about expecting Hispanics to just clean toilets wasn’t just inartful. She really is a terrible person."

Just like her mother.

[quote]How does this shit work?

The shit flows watery, freely and often.

R29 it triggers a hormone in your body to tell your brain your stomach is full/not hungry.

It literally makes you stop eating.

R33 thank you.

I would* hate* that.

For food addicts like me it's a godsend. In 40 years I never felt full. And if I went into a calorie deficit it was hell on earth. I've lost 75lbs since April and I look fucking amazing

I’m glad for you r35 but eating is one of the great joys of life.

[quote]And if I went into a calorie deficit it was hell on earth.

That's what fatties need to go through to teach them a lesson. It's an invaluable experience to teach them about self-control. Sidestepping that means they are still the same person making bad choices in life.

[quote]She's always sticking her foot in her mouth.

...and cakes, pies, pizzas, candy, whole lasagnas, and, of course, one thin mint.

Is that why skinny people are such miserable cunts, r37?

God I hate this bitch

[quote]Is that why skinny people are such miserable cunts

I use to think that fat and obese people were jolly, until I saw what the obese average DLers write on this site.

Kelly can use ozempic that is fine but does she need to look like a fucking lollipop? Eat a sandwedge.

People rail against Ozempic as if there wasn’t a shot that could make your dick an inch longer they wouldn’t be taking it.

Can we just acknowledge that people’s bodies respond to food differently. Acknowledge that what might work for you won’t work for someone else. Millions of people aren’t overweight JUST because they lack self-discipline. The level of discipline for them to achieve the body they want, because of their makeup, would break you just as it has broken them. And when you’ve been broken so many times, people can go in reverse. It’s a downward spiral that is even harder to reverse.

I am not fat or obese, but I have struggled with my weight my entire life. I’ve never been more than 20lbs overweight and it’s a battle, but I can understand how someone can get to be 300lbs overweight. I understand the mentality.

So if someone can finally find some peace with medication, can actually feel inspired to lose more weight, reverse the downward spiral, because they see real results from their efforts - let them. Being in the gym everyday would be a joy instead of a chore if I was more easily able to achieve the results I wanted.

"People who hates"....

Is it Kelly or our OP who deserves the Oh, dear!

I just started taking it today. I have about 40 pounds to lose. It was covered by insurance. I paid $24 for my first syringe.

Let us know how it goes R45. So that is that, about $24 a week, $96 a month?

Not to derail the thread, but I use food to mitigate depression. So, I sometimes wonder if Ozempic would make my depression worse, since I wouldn't have a dependable way to lift my low mood.

[quote]Let us know how it goes [R45]. So that is that, about $24 a week, $96 a month?

One syringe lasts 4 to 8 weeks, depending on which dosage you are using.

Going to the gym doesn't even really help you lose weight, and I'm sure Kelly knows that by now. It's a question of what you eat.

[quote]Not to derail the thread, but I use food to mitigate depression.

I always appreciate people who admit to what they have done to make themselves overweight.

[quote] Not to derail the thread, but I use food to mitigate depression. So, I sometimes wonder if Ozempic would make my depression worse, since I wouldn't have a dependable way to lift my low mood.

I'm guessing you're overweight. So, not having food to comfort you or mitigate depression would be a downside. However, that would be balanced out temporarily by losing weight and looking better.

r45 good luck. Be prepared. You can't eat as much as you could before, it will make you vomit at night with painful stomach aches or shit your pants at night - with painful stomach aches. Just be mindful that greasy heavy foods will make you ill feeling and don't eat past 7 P.M. as it slows your digestion *see my first few sentences.

Kelly Clarkson, on the other hand, looks fantastic. No Ozempic face on her.

She is stupid.

People hate it because it's full of nasty unknown side effects. And it's actually a necessary drug for those who have diabetes, not for shallow vain people.

Plus what's the benefit of being slim just for vanity? I thought the point of losing weight was to become healthier.

I am not overweight or obese, but at approximately 210 lbs I am round and chubby, almost overweight, and a lot heavier than I was 5-6 years ago before experiencing a few health problems.

If I really decide to lose weight though, I'll get up and work out instead of wanting to eat like a dinosaur then magically expecting a drug to do all the work for me.

She wants to brag about being slim, while not earning it.

I don't have ozempic face either. I lost 70lbs in 10 months and that was gradual enough for me.

[quote] I am not overweight or obese, but at approximately 210 lbs I am round and chubby, almost overweight

What's your height, R54?

Height doesn't matter R56 I can still make my belly look flat when sucking the air in and can still see the bones of my rib cage.

I had a similar weight in my teens, before I lost a lot of weight and my BMI was calculated and the conclusion was that it was a BMI of 24.9

I figure it's slightly less than that now, because I have less midsection fat than I had at 16.

Height doesn't matter? Where did you hear that?

R57, a BMI of 24.9 is normal. You don’t need Ozempic and wouldn’t qualify for it anyway.

[quote]Height doesn't matter

I'm guessing that means she's about 5'2".

R54, hate to break it to you but unless you are 6’4” or more you are overweight and possibly obese.

Hate to break it to you R61, but my BMI of 24.9 was professionally calculated by a nutritionist who used her measuring tape around my waist,hips,arms and legs and only then calculated it, it took days before she told me what my BMI was and how much weight I had to lose.

As I was younger, I probably had less muscle mass, as my belly was definitely bigger/fatter back then and couldn't see my rib cage, which I can now.

Good luck explaining that to your doctor r62 or god forbid you need to purchase a life insurance policy.

If you dropped dead, your autopsy report would classify you as overweight or obese.

[quote] As it becomes more accepted it will also get cheaper.

Nope. That’s the *old* way of doing business. Look at insulin. More and more people are diabetics and what did the drug companies do? They kept raising the price of insulin until Biden forced it down to save people’s lives. I don’t believe anyone will force down the price of semaglutide because there are other medications to treat insulin resistance.

Yesterday I was in target and Valentine’s Day candy was CLEARANCE 30% off. Anybody older than 15 knows holiday candy always used to be 50% off the day after the holiday. Next year, it will be 20%.

Corporations are clamping down. They have the power. Dumb ass consumers will do anything to get what they want…except simply stop buying.

is it true you can't drink booze on this?

Ok R63

😂😂

You have never seen me or measured my waist, but you just KNOW my fat percentage by using your special telepathic powers.

You can drink, but it doesn’t taste very good. Ant you can’t drink a whole lot of it because you can’t drink a whole lot of anything. Your digestion slows down. Eat or drink a lot of anything and you’ll get a stomach ache and maybe even vomit. A lot of people are realizing they *like* not drinking a lot. As in, “Holy shit…I just realized I’m an alcoholic.”

Oink! Oink!

5'6"?

[quote]is it true you can't drink booze on this?

You can drink, but most people are finding that their desire for alcohol goes away…just like the cravings for sweets and junk food go away on it.

Waist circumference and body composition are NOT part of the BMI calculation, for the person above whose nutritionist took several days to do a calculation that literally takes 10 seconds.

It stops the dopamine hits you get from food, gambling, booze, nicotine, shopping and sugar. Consequently there are a shitload of industries that are fearful of losing their biggest, heh, customers. Shit just sits in my Amazon cart until I delete it. I can go to Target for Borax and leave having only purchased borax. I sometimes bought lottery tickets and I haven't in 7 months. I left a glass of good wine unfinished at dinner the other night. I'm less terminally online but I was wishing to get rid of it entirely

I am buying new clothes tho about every few months and I've gotten really into fragrances and skin care. With my other bad habits vanquished I have time for a 12 step Korean regimen

So does it kill your sex drive too, R72?

No. Internet porn has become gross to me but I like fucking my husband.

You couldn't be more wrong R71

Gender Age Muscle mass And yes, waist size all do affect BMI as two people having the same weight has never meant that they have the same body or the same exact fat percentage.

Same way it's possible for a human being to be healthy at 100 lbs, or severely malnourished, it all depends on who you are.

Now, who should I trust more, my former nutritionist with a college degree or a random internet stranger who just "googled" his BMI?

She lost weight and had a facelift but is still unattractive.

And a cunt.

[quote]Plus what's the benefit of being slim just for vanity? I thought the point of losing weight was to become healthier.

People get nose jobs all time. Women get breast implants JUST to have bigger tits. Don't underestimate the good that feeling good about your body or your appearance can do for your life, your confidence. It's NOT just about vanity. It can actually lead to a better life and more opportunities. Not just because how other people see you, but because of a the newly found confidence you have moving through the world. Of course it's not the complete measure of a person. But it is an important part of who you are - your self-esteem.

[quote] "She wants to brag about being slim, while not earning it."

🎯

Work for something?! Why start now, R54?

So you are saying these ozempic maniacs are desperate for acceptance and to fit in R78.

They could have some shame, as there are other ways of losing weight, unless they have a thyroid problem.

She was odious when she was a FAT WHORE and she’s even more odious now.

Christ almighty. "Fat people need to feel shame" "It's cheating" "Losing weight should hurt and you should suffer". "Youre stealing from diabetics!"

You all sound absolutely insane. I look fucking amazing. I hear it all day at work. I immediately tell people THE SECRET, because I'm evangelical about it. The only people who are bitter or sour about it are the eating disordered nutcases who literally have a nutcase of almonds that they count out and nibble 3x a day. The morons who starved and worked out themselves into hair loss and gross ropey skin. They'll gleefully tell me I'll get cancer from it and in their twisted minds cancer is probably an acceptable form of weight-loss

The other assholes are like Kelly said, too poor or dumb to figure out where to get cheap semaglutide. Or too scared to stick a needle into their bellies, yet also eating themselves into a case of insulin dependent diabetes so needles are in their future.

Normal well adjusted people are thrilled for me. I'm thrilled for me.

I’m thrilled for you r82 and I am thrilled that you’re evangelical about the benefits of this miracle drug. The fact that it can also stop people from smoking and drinking excessively is the cherry on top for our health care system.

[quote]They could have some shame, as there are other ways of losing weight, unless they have a thyroid problem.

Women should be ashamed and should find the beauty in their little titties.

Not the same R84, little tits are not a sign of bad health.

And breast augmentation doesn't mean that they are taking something from someone.

I'm only saying this because junkies who have abused opioids have made it so much harder for the people who truly need them to get the drugs; I can sort of see the same thing happening with the appropriation of Ozempic by non-diabetic people.

Same way people turned gluten free diets into a trend about ten years ago, but people with celiac disease CAN'T eat gluten at all REGARDLESS of trend.

Anyways, some ten or fifteen years from now we will know the horrible side effects of Ozempic.

R85 more people eating gluten free is a godsend to people with celiac disease. 20 years ago options for gluten free food was severely limited. Increased demand results in increased supply.

Shut up Kelly, you spoiled do nothing brat. You're no authority on shit.

I don’t know if they’re doing something wrong but the two people I’ve known who take ozempic are constantly sick. It doesn’t seem worth being thin.

a good friend is also on this and she's always feeling ill.

Your friends need to lower their dose or eat food that agrees with them. Take magnesium, papaya enzymes or ginger if they still get symptoms, but feeling sick all the time isn't normal

[quote]And breast augmentation doesn't mean that they are taking something from someone.

No one on Ozempic is taking anything from anyone. Especially with Muonjaro and Wegovy. If anything the companies are withholding production to drive up prices. People are really trying to find any reason to hate people who take Ozempic including the "They'll all have cancer in 10 years" route. People really need to evaluate WHY they are so against something that has nothing to do with them. Why be SO aggressively against it? The answer is always personal. It's like people being mad at gay people. Are they jealous or something? Are they gay themselves? With this it's like what Kelly said, you're either too scared to take it or too poor to get it, so it's easier to hate. Otherwise there is no REAL reason to be so mad at people taking it.

What kind of ginger?

[quote]With this [bold]it's like what Kelly said,[/bold] you're either too scared to take it or too poor to get it, so it's easier to hate.

Wise is the great sage Kelly Osbourne!

Kelly's mindset is forever frozen at age fifteen, so I am not at all surprised she's pulling the "They're just jealous!!" routine.

R82 That's fair, but if you're someone like this: " You can't eat as much as you could before, it will make you vomit at night with painful stomach aches or shit your pants at night - with painful stomach aches. Just be mindful that greasy heavy foods will make you ill feeling and don't eat past 7 P.M. as it slows your digestion *see my first few sentences." then miss me with your bullshit. Anyone who is eating greasy, heavy foods and eating after 7 pm, is not really *trying* every diet and is fat cause they have shit eating habits.

She's a bigger cunt than her awful mother, and always will be.

At least Sharon produced dozens of hit records, and made millions for the bands who hired her.

I was overweight since puberty. You couldn't pay me to take this drug with all the side effects and the stuff that is coming out about it. Muscle loss, pancreas issues, hair loss, etc. I've never taken any drug for weight loss although I was tempted with Phen Phen.

I've lost a huge amount of weight by diet and exercising and the first thing people ask when they see me is if I'm on Ozempic. It pisses me off. I am the healthiest I've ever been in a long while and the strongest thanks to the exercise. The trick for me was learning that self love means making better decisions for myself. I know so many people who say, "I can't stop myself from just eating one cookie, I have to eat the whole sleeve of cookies." Yes, you can stop yourself. You're the only one who can and saying you can't is a cop out. Self love is saying, "I want to eat that entire sleeve of cookies, but it's not healthy and one cookie will suffice." It's hard at first, but no one is coming to save you from yourself except you. Being able to have that conversation with myself now is how I know I FINALLY have this stuff figured out. I'm cooking for myself and making healthy food and eating far less. I don't feel hungry at all (I increased my protein) and I look great. I deserve to be healthy and exercise is something future me will be grateful for.

"Self love is saying, "I want to eat that entire sleeve of cookies, but it's not healthy and one cookie will suffice."

Bravo! I would love to eat more, but I don't want to gain weight and I don't want to work it off, so I'll just have a few cookies. The thing I always hear Ozempic users say is that they never felt full...and? You're not supposed to feel full, feeling full feels awful to me. If you look at what you eat, and eat mindfully, you can look at the meal before you eat it and see that it's sufficient and tell yourself that even if you don't "feel full" you know you had a proper meal. I can't understand these people who eat like mukbang amounts but keep eating cause they didn't feel full.

R97 Maybe Ozempic will kill her, then.

That's great, congratulations r97. It's wonderful that you've succeeded. But clearly you know first hand how hard it is so I hope you don't begrudge others who've had success with Ozempic, or surgery, or whatever means they chose over how you're doing it.

r97, I'm glad for your success but your anger at other people with weight issues is a problem. I don;t think it's healthy to get mad at them when the one you're really mad at is your past self.

I'm not mad at anyone. I want everyone to love themselves. And no, I don't begrudge anyone who has surgery or tries whatever means they feel they need to try to lose it. Being healthy is a gift you give yourself. I don't think Ozempic or the surgeries are "healthy" at all. I think they are tools that have side effects. Hell, even exercise can have side effects such as pulled muscles, broken bones, knee problems, etc. I honestly wish people would believe and know that they are WORTH the love and effort that it takes to get healthy. That's all. It took me 54 years to understand that self love was all about the choices we make in regards to anything in this life...relationships, drugs, alcohol, food, work, etc. I had friends who would say, "you need to love yourself" and younger me always thought they were just saying, "you need to lose weight." But no, what it means is not drinking to excess and not eating too much of bad stuff and not dating that person who you know is bad for you.

I hope everyone has success, no matter your methods. All of it has risks but in the end, it's about leaning what is best for future you.

And r98, I remember being a kid and eating too much and feeling "full" which usually ended with me vomiting later. For me, the extra protein I've added (look up how much you need) has made a big difference. I find that a protein shake around 4pm mixed with hemp hearts, blueberries and spinach and oat milk keeps me feeling full and so what I eat for dinner is much less.

It's really interesting, r101 that you found anger in my post when there was zero anger behind it. I am not mad at my past self for surviving my trauma in a way that worked for me then but doesn't serve me now. I look at past me and love that younger version because I see that I was hurting and found solace and comfort in food. Some people picked alcohol or drugs to self soothe. Everyone does it for their own reasons.

Do I wish I would have figured this out earlier before my extra weight caused me to get cancer? Yes, absolutely. But I'm glad I figure it out now and survived cancer. Of course I survived it. I'm a warrior.

[quote] It's really interesting, [R101] that you found anger in my post when there was zero anger behind it.

It's actually much more interesting that you thought there was "zero anger" in your post when you wrote this:

[quote]I know so many people who say, "I can't stop myself from just eating one cookie, I have to eat the whole sleeve of cookies." Yes, you can stop yourself. You're the only one who can and saying you can't is a cop out.

It doesn't sound like you know yourself as well as you think you do.

I don't think that's anger, R104, just frustration from someone who has been there and come back.

Ozembitch.

I don't hate Ozempic, I hate my insurance company that won't cover it.

I also don't hate the 50+ cosmetic surgeries she's had, because the surgeons are making bank off this dumb twat.

This bitch is still alive? I assumed she was cleaning toilets by now.

I just hope that Kelly is one of the people who is coming out in a few years to complain of their paralyzed stomach and persistent diarrhea.

I can't even breath right now!

Ozempic is a diabetic drug and my endocrinologist confirmed that Saxenda isn't the same. Being insulin resistant, Ozempic gave me incredible amounts of energy, similar to when I first started on Metformin. Total game changer. Now I can't get it for almost a year. I don't begrudge those who do, and I certainly don't wish paralysed stomachs or digestive systems on them.

With multiple conditions known as drivers for obesity, I have to do so many things to not be overweight as dieting and exercise alone don't cut it.

Kelly could show some humility about the fact that she can get a regular supply due to her wealth.

r92 preferably a muscular one in his 20s. I take some 30-year-old bodybuilder ginger, does wonders for my stomach.

[quote]Self love is saying, "I want to eat that entire sleeve of cookies, but it's not healthy and one cookie will suffice." It's hard at first, but no one is coming to save you from yourself except you

Ozempic Saves! It’s better than Jesus.

Are the people using ozempic keeping it off longterm? Yes, studies show that losing weight is literally a life saver, but the yo-yo stuff can be even more damaging on the heart.

No one knows, r112. It's only be out for 5 years. But most experts agree that you have to be on it for the remainder of your life, otherwise the weight comes right back on and then some.

There are a lot of people on the reddit groups who got off it and the weight is staying off. They recognize the food noise for what it is

I can’t breathe

“She's always sticking her foot in her mouth. There's no hope for her.” — R11

Of course she is. She’s hungry.

I work with someone who lost weight on it, and now it's not accessible for some reason, and she eats all the time. She'll gain it back.

I’m curious and it seems to work for some but the people I personally know who’ve taken it look like shit now and they’re sick all the time. Maybe they’re just being idiots though

My friend got it easily. She got it on Groupon for 99, I think it's for 6 wks.

R102 talks like he just turned over a rock and discovered what a diet was and now is explaining it to the rest of the world. But says this about being "Full":

[quote]You're not supposed to feel full, feeling full feels awful to me. If you look at what you eat, and eat mindfully, you can look at the meal before you eat it and see that it's sufficient and tell yourself that even if you don't "feel full" you know you had a proper meal. I can't understand these people who eat like mukbang amounts but keep eating cause they didn't feel full.

then says:

[quote] I find that a protein shake around 4pm mixed with hemp hearts, blueberries and spinach and oat milk keeps me feeling full and so what I eat for dinner is much less.

It's interesting that Oprah won't admit she is doing these weight loss shots. For the first time in 30+ years she is down to a normal weight, is running all over town showing off that she now has a thin bod and claims she did it the old school way. Right-O, Harpo. And she did it fast.

^ She did admit it R121. She just didn't say which one, for understandable reasons.

Forgot link, but here it is.

We aren't the same poster, you dolt at r120

R120 I'm the one who said that about being full. Yeah, please explain it to me, is there a reason people fucking eat till they burst? Cause if you can see what you're eating and it's enough, stop when you're done, fuck feeling full. Full is logy and disgusting.

That's a great point about feeling full. You stop eating when you have consumed the necessary amount of calories. The notion of feeding yourself until a feeling of fullness registers is what produces fatties.

Exactly R126! And whenever there is a thread like this, the people start out saying they do all the diets, they do all the right things, etc. Then it comes out that this med causes them to feel full quicker and that they can't eat fried foods anymore, and to that I say, wtf? if you were eating fried foods and eating to fullness, you weren't doing it right. Feeling full is such a depression era thing to do. You don't have to worry about when the next time you will eat is coming, just eat a sensible meal and fuck feeling full. I haven't felt full in awhile, I don't need to, I know what to eat.

You know how not to eat an entire sleeve of cookies? Don't buy them in the first place. It's infinitely easier to walk past them once in the grocery store than it is to walk past them a hundred times once they're in your house.

Yes R128! And if you throw them out, pour dish soap on them so you aren't tempted to take them out of the trash and eat them. My bodybuilder friend told me she does this, true story.

The last couple of posts sound like a Weight Watchers support group from 1986.

You don't have to eat until you feel full to eat too much food for your body. And sometimes a sensible meal is TOO much for you at a given time. The trick is not to eat until you are hungry, until you feel a pang of hunger. And when you do, really study the difference between being "Unsatisfied" vs. "Being Physically Hungry." Most people fall into the trap of confusing being unsatisfied, which can feel like hunger, with actual hunger.

But your brain doesn't start telling you you are full until after 15 minutes after the first bite. That's why it's hard to tell, because by the time you actually feel full you've eaten too much. So you have to start by not eating a sensible meal, but eating a SMALL meal that you think won't fill you up, and see if in 15 minutes you are still hungry. That is the only way to find out what is an appropriate portion of food for you at a given time.

BUT food is an addiction - and NOT just for fatties as people say. Just as every alcoholic isn't a wino wandering the street. There are several inshape, physically fit and healthy people struggling with food adductions. That is what makes it so hard. When you have an addiction to food, your relationship with it isn't rational. People eat for many more reasons than just being hungry, and you can't approach it with "sensibility."

And that's what I don't understand with people's aversion to what Ozempic and other drugs can do for people. You wouldn't tell an alcoholic to just stop drinking, it's easy and you're weak for not doing it. If there was an actual drug to stop Alcoholism or even stop nicotine addiction in its tracks, people would be all for it. I am sure if they were around a smoker these types of people would be the first to say, "Why don't you just take the fucking shot?"

Yet people who struggle with food addiction - eating food for other reasons than nourishment and who are predisposed to being overweight, fat, obese (just like people can be predisposed to alcoholism) - get raked over the coals for not have enough strength to beat the issue on their own without help.

Again people just like feeling self-righteous. The rest of their lives might be shit but at least they're not eating a sleeve of cookies - as if every overweight person can blame a sleeve of fucking cookies.

Most people don't know that hunger pang R130. And you're right, you should wait until you feel it. A lot of people are doing intermittent fasting and that's a good thing too. But if you're still eating shitty, fried foods, you're not "trying everything". I eat fast food maybe 4 times a year, I get a quarter pounder with cheese. I eat sweets too, but I walk about 8 miles a day. I also eat a ton of beef jerky, Wild River is the best! I'm an alcoholic, I haven't had a drink since 11/9/13. Stopping drinking made me crave sweets, and I still do! But I exercise too and just don't eat too much.

And every person is different R132, that is why we can't judge people for what they chose to do. Everyone has different struggles that we might not understand when it comes to their health. Alcohol has NEVER been a problem for me. I enjoy it on the weekend. I could have way too many drinks one weekend and never feel like my life was about to go off the rails from it. Where as you R132 can't even have one. See we are different.

Oh I agree R133. my aunt was lamenting how much she weighs and is jealous I've never had a weight problem, but I pointed out I'm an alkie, so we just manifest addictions in different ways. I wish I could drink sometimes, but I don't know if I'd want a weight problem.

We're getting into a lot of self-congratulation here, which is always the problem with weight loss threads. So much about weight loss involves either praise or blame--as if you're somehow a morally good person if you lose weight and a morally bad person if you gain weight.

R135, I agree with you 100% R135. How can you blame someone for wanting to take Ozempic, or call them weak, for doing so?

Yeah, people don’t realize that food can be a problem and an addiction. It is like telling an alcoholic to stop after one or two drinks.

I tend to binge-eat, especially if stressed or tired.

I have to say I'm amazed Kelly is still in the news. I never would have guessed when her parents' relaity show was on she could keep being aj ersatz celebrity for another twenty years given that she was (and is) so untalented and whiny.

HAY guyz, I just got a Google Alert for cookies!

To the Target shopper surprised about only 30% off holiday candy the day after: they’ve always done that. It always goes to 50% about 3 days later.

Ha! R140, good to know, I'm a huge candy head too. Also, Target is always overpriced, go to Walmart and get cake pops.

[quote] And if you throw them out, pour dish soap on them so you aren't tempted to take them out of the trash and eat them.

I’m not sure if it would be funny or tragically sad seeing fatties fishing cookies out of the garbage and trying to wash off the soap, but that’s what would happen.

[quote] And every person is different [R132], that is why we can't judge people for what they chose to do.

Are you new? The whole site is filled with judging what other people choose to do and believe. Considering all that, people choosing to overeat or engage in gluttony can certainly also be judged.

r128, that's not the point. You can have junk food in the house. A lot of people do and a lot of people can control how much of it they eat. It's about learning how to self parent and having some love for yourself that you can stop eating the junk after a few bites instead of just consuming the entire thing, whatever it is.

It's so interesting that whenever these threads about Ozempic are posted and someone chimes in about losing weight without it, that person is judged more than anyone else on the thread. It's actually amusing to see all the triggered folks who then attempt to mock whatever that person posted, as if they don't want to hear that there is another way other than spending your money on a drug with some harmful side effects. I get it. Weight is a sensitive issue but there's no need to mock anyone who has lost weight or is trying to lose weight, no matter the method. There's an obesity problem across the globe now in developed countries and a lot of it is caused by trauma and people not wanting to confront or heal that trauma. Until people understand the reasons why they overeat, no drug, no diet will solve it.

Okay, some correction here. The meds do not make you feel fuller longer exactly. They do a couple of things. There is a stomach paralysis of a kind that slows digestion, meaning the stomach takes longer to digest food - which can give you a feeling of fullness but not always. Just like people who get stomach bypass, they can still overeat even though they no longer have most if not all of their stomach. What it does is help people who are insulin-resistant process carbs correctly. Why keto and high protein diets work for these people is because they cannot process carbs. They get converted to sugar and just float around the bloodstream until the body takes the extra energy and stores it in fat. For these people you cut the carbs they can eat 5000 calories of protein and fat and lose weight. With Ozempic the others - your body processes carbs correctly. You can eat like everyone else. Those "I can eat all I want and never gain a pound" people. The stomach paralysis is what causes all the gastric issues. Your stomach continues to make acid to digest the food sitting in it so you can get bad GURD. The hold and release of the stomach can cause painful abdominal cramps and EXPLOSIVE shits. There are random waves of nausea. You don't eat less because you are full, you eat less because you don't want to puke and shit at the same time at 3 am. All the stomach stuff are the side effects, the real boon this gives is the carb processing,

"Your stomach continues to make acid to digest the food sitting in it so you can get bad GURD. The hold and release of the stomach can cause painful abdominal cramps and EXPLOSIVE shits. There are random waves of nausea. You don't eat less because you are full, you eat less because you don't want to puke and shit at the same time at 3 am."

Wow, how about just pretending that will happen if you eat, and then not eating?

R144 They shame those people for the same reason people get pissed at any high profile fat person that loses weight, if they can lose weight, it can be done. They want everyone to believe that it's virtually impossible so if you see someone else do it, they're mocked and shouted down.

[quote] It's actually amusing to see all the triggered folks who then attempt to mock whatever that person posted, as if they don't want to hear that there is another way other than spending your money on a drug with some harmful side effects. I get it. Weight is a sensitive issue but there's no need to mock anyone who has lost weight or is trying to lose weight, no matter the method.

You are mocked R144 because what you are saying is extremely banal. You talk as if you've unlocked some secret code to weight loss.

Rich or poor, Kelly Osbourne is a worthless human being.

Am I the only one who liked this song? Granted, I was drinking back then.

R144 talked as if the line in the sand between being obese and fit is a sleeve of cookies.

We are taught that you should be fighting against any form of visible fat on your body as hard as you can, to get rid of it. At my height the healthy body weight range is about 30lbs. I am at the higher end of my range and I have love handles, fat around my waist. Yet I am healthy by all accounts. People like me would take Ozempic to go from a natural healthy resting state 0f 180lbs down to the lower end of the spectrum, 160 for me where there would be no fat to be seen, or much less. I would say 50% of people taking Ozempic for weight loss are like me - not obese, at the high end or just over the high end of their weight schedule, and they want to be leaner, thinner.

People like me go to the gym, I eat well, don't drink much. But my natural healthy resting body is heavier than I would like to be and I don't want to starve myself, or at least think I am starving myself to get there.

So if I see a bitch violently shitting herself in public I should assume she's on Ozempic?

No R152, that happens in the privacy of your own bed while you sleep.

Holy shit (no pun intended). So you wake up having shit the bed? And this is the condition some women now say they will always have? Ugh, no thanks. I'd rather puke than shit.

r154 No you wake up with bad abdominal pain, then you either shit your brains out or puke depending on what end it is burbling out of. You ca feel it dropping through your lower GI at a rapid pace. It all depends on when you eat. I am on it for my type 2 and I cannot eat after 5, 6 at the latest or I will have a bad night. I have learned what does and does not set it off. Lots of vegetables with protien make for a good night.

Wow R155. That sucks. I'm glad you know how to get around it. I bet you never wear light colored pants anymore.

r156 lol No I do just fine, it was only the first few weeks. I still get the occasional nausea but it comes and goes quickly.

I have never had any side effects like some of the crazy shit you're describing

I take Mounjaro for tyoe 2 diabetes and haven't had any side effects that I've noticed.

I started Ozempic recently and have no side effects.

That's horrible news r160 for those who think you are cheating and wish death upon you.

r159 r160 that is great news. What dose are you on? When I started I had zero side effects too, but they ramp up your dosage, I am on 1 mg now and been on it for months now. Once I hit that I started having the side effects.

[quote] That's horrible news [R160] for those who think you are cheating and wish death upon you.

Is r160 taking the drug for diabetes? There’s nothing wrong with that. The only issue raised is when people use it to lose weight instead of learning how to exert self-control to stop their overeating.

That is a lie R163. That's the only problem for YOU. And I would suggest you dig deep, investigate WHY this is an issue for you, what other people chose to do for their own happiness. I don't think you are really concerned with their health. And the idea that there is not enough to go around is false too with Ozepmic plentiful, Muonjaro and Wegovy. Why does it bother you? It's a serious question. And I think you'll find it has nothing to do with them, actually.

R164, it’s more than health. It’s also about the life lesson of learning self-control.

R165 see that is your problem. You think all fat people eat uncontrollably. That is not true. Those who have insulin resistance issues can eat the same as you and still gain weight.

R166, People with special dietary needs have even more of a need to learn self-control.

And I guess you are here to teach people the importance of self-control R167? Have you even showered today? What business is it of yours, let alone concern, what other people decide what is right for them when they aren't hurting anyone else and can possibly find happiness with themselves? It really is none of your business and you going about mawkishly chastising others for what you deem is a lack of self-control points more to your own control issues.

I've been taking compounded semaglutide for close to three months at incremental doses. Constipation seems to be more of a side effect than explosive diarrhea. It may cause a sort of anhedonia, but I'm not sure if that is due to seasonal depression or the medication. I've lost 15 lbs thus far and hope to lose 15 - 20 more.

R164 You really don't know why? It's because people don't like when other people take shortcuts when they had to work for something. It's the same reason people hae nepo babies. It's not just about ozempic, it's in general. Kelly fucking "I can't breath" Osbourne ticks every box for this, she never had to work for anything, celebrity is somehow upon her, and now she's giving people shit for not being as lucky as she is.

Shit, people hate, not hae, nepo babies at R170

That definitely sounds like a personal issue R170. Usually people hate shortcuts when it puts the other person in front of them in some way. How is someone using Ozempic cutting into YOUR success in life?

Well because if the person is now thinner than them, R172. Then they are in front of them, so to speak.

Yes. And being made at someone JUST because they are thinner than you is a personal problem, as per my initial point. Why be mad at someone for that when you could do the same if you wanted to? It's silly. Or unless it is exactly as Kelly pointed out, you can't afford to. That would makes them jealous more than mad. But jealousy can drive you mad. Again, a personal problem.

[quote] And I guess you are here to teach people the importance of self-control [R167]?

Self-control is something fatties must learn for themselves, which they would if they would choose to diet instead of taking medication to avoid learning it.

R174 It's the same with the Felicity Huffman shit, some people really worked (ha) to get into UCLA or whatever. It's not weird to be mad about that. Yes, it is the mad person's problem but it doesn't make the anger any less valid. Or people who are pissed that those idiot family members of the fentanyl popsicles got a bunch of money by implying their family were killed by a gay chemist.

[quote] That would makes them jealous more than mad. But jealousy can drive you mad. Again, a personal problem.

You mean "envious," not "jealous."

Other people losing weight doesn't hurt you. Unless your whole personality is you watching your weight. I work with a lady who gets visibly irritated when people go ga ga about my new appearance. She eats like she's autistic. She has a ziplock of what appear to be about 20 raw almonds that she parcels out during the day. Around noon she drinks a protein shake and all day she sips out of a giant camelbak bottle. Every day for years.

She's obsessed with whatever everyone else is eating and always has a comment about it. She will never miss an opportunity to ask "Is that worth the calories". She's a miserable bitch and hasn't mentioned my weight loss once. It's gotten comical and I love listening to her grunts and looking at her shitty mean faces whenever someone does.

You could argue that it's hurting others though, when there is a shortage for diabetics, which I have heard.

r187 Insulin resistance is not a special dietary need. It is a metabolic condition. You are born with it. If you eat a normal diet your whole life you will get fattter, depressed that your friends all eat what you eat and stay thin and get teased your whole life.

[quote] She's obsessed with whatever everyone else is eating and always has a comment about it. She will never miss an opportunity to ask "Is that worth the calories".

There’s nothing wrong with someone like that looking out for what’s best for others.

[quote] If you eat a normal diet your whole life you will get fattter, depressed that your friends all eat what you eat and stay thin and get teased your whole life.

The amount of calories that a person would need to limit themselves to in order to lose weight is not the same for all people. One must reduce calorie intake to the level that produces weight loss for them personally.

r182 again.....insulin resistance is not a calorie-in-calorie-out metabolic issue. It has to do with HOW your body processes carbohydrates. 1000 calories a day of carbs would make an insulin-resistant person fatter, and probably push them to full-on type 2. There has been plenty of research where people have consumed 5000 calories a day of protein or fat and lost weight. It's why Keto or Atkins is so successful for some people. Carbs are not bad, just bad for some people who cannot process them right.

R165, I was exercising 1.5 hours a day and barely eating and still gaining weight. Ozempic helped me lose a few kilos but more importantly gave me incredible energy. Energy which was frustratingly being stored as fat previously.

I have chronic neurological issues which drive obesity and insulin resistance. Why should I - or anyone for that matter - forego a resource because you won the metabolic lottery and seem to need to feel superior about that?

[quote] There has been plenty of research where people have consumed 5000 calories a day of protein or fat and lost weight.

R183, yes, it was already stated that the amount of calories that a person would need to limit themselves to in order to lose weight is not the same for all people. One must reduce calorie intake to the level that produces weight loss for them personally.

So we are agreed that people are different, and picking on someone who takes Ozempic to help them with their own body is not a shortcut, that it's actually science at work, doing what it should? I am exactly like R184. For me to move the needle on my weight I have to drastically limit my caloric intake and work out six days of week. And even though I have had success in the past, even while doing it, I know that I won't be able to keep it up. And I have never once, not once, reached the weight I've wanted to hit my entire life. I have never been happy with my body and have felt like a constant failure - even though I have displayed MORE discipline in trying to achieve it compared to others around me.

Wait… did you really copy and paste the exact title of someone else’s thread on here? And then kept replying to yourself so it has “more comments?!”

R185 Dr Now puts everyone on 1,200 calories a day. I think that would work for everyone.

[quote] For me to move the needle on my weight I have to drastically limit my caloric intake and work out six days of week. And even though I have had success in the past, even while doing it, I know that I won't be able to keep it up.

No one said it would be easy. Where there’s a will, there’s a way.

thank you for sage your words R189. You have given me a new lease on life.

The effectiveness of the words depend on how well you take them to heart, r190.

[quote]that is great news. What dose are you on? When I started I had zero side effects too, but they ramp up your dosage, I am on 1 mg now and been on it for months now. Once I hit that I started having the side effects.

Only 1mg? Is that a typo? My dose of Mounjaro has been gradually ramped up to 10mg. Still no side effects, R162.

[quote]She has a ziplock of what appear to be about 20 raw almonds that she parcels out during the day.

She eats TWENTY almonds!? Cow!

Kelly Osbourne?? I Hates Her.

that doctor treats morbidly obese people - who are 600-700 pounds or more. I get it. You think all fat people are just lazy and don't know how to eat properly. No amount of science will convince you otherwise.

[quote]You think all fat people are just lazy and don't know how to eat properly.

Fatties will exert energy to make multiples trips to the buffet, without any encouragement needed, so no, not lazy.

So where did everyone get their ozempic etc?

Fuck this cunt and why even waste time on her?

Focus on yourself!

R195, I'm just blocking r196 and I suspect all the nasty, illogical posts will disappear.

The thing that amazes me about obese people and the human body is that someone who is 100lbs. over weight, with every step is carrying 100lbs. If I were to walk around one day carrying to 45lb plates on my back, all day, I’d disappear.

R191, I’ve also heard “a minute on the lips, a lifetime on the hips.”

Is that true?

R191 I also tell myself that “Nothing tastes as good as being thin feels,” but I struggle sometimes. I must say a sleeve of cookies makes me feel pretty good in the moment. But then I look in the mirror and I hate myself, my fat, shameful body. I want to throw it all up, but I’ve usually waited too long.

This “Will” you speak of? How did you find it? Where did you find the strength to say no to the sleeve? Are you saying just eat two or three, or are like five OK? I..e. there are usually 12 in a sleeve. Trust me I KNOW! Please advise.

Your words have brought such encouragement - your turn of phrase and matter-of-fact, take no prisoners approach. I’m already looking forward to a thinner me!

r202, I'm not r191 but how I found the strength to say no to most things in excess was to go through months of EMDR therapy to heal my trauma from my childhood, which was life changing for me. It was like a switch turned on in my brain that made me realize for the first time in my life that I was worthy of something better than what I had been dealt. Friends even remarked at the change in me. I went from feeling worthless, unlovable, and likely to die an early death from my relationship with food to moving into a nice place for the first time in my life having spent the majority of it in one room (My room as a kid, moved out, rented a single room, then had two very tiny bachelor apartments), knowing I was loveable because I looked around at my friendships and realized most of the people I talk to on the regular have been in my life 20+ years (some over 40 years now) and that affirmed that I was loveable. And then I decided I didn't want to live as an obese person anymore because I deserved better. My therapist and I went through some exercises where we were able to do some self parenting of a younger version of me who wants all the sweets and bad food and I had to literally envision myself talking to that kid and explaining that no one could hurt them now. I did all of this from a place of love for that kid who was so hurt and had only food for comfort. I would quiet that kid by talking in my head about how we don't want to be overweight anymore so we have to have just a little of whatever it was I wanted.

I know it's weird but it worked for me. And I also started exercising because I want future me to be strong and happy. I even got myself a knee replacement that I'd been putting off because I was ok with suffering. I'm not ok with suffering anymore. I deserve to be healthy and live a long life if I can. We all deserve to know we are worthy of taking care of ourselves.

It took me 54 years to get here and I still have days where I find myself feeling down but I honestly just feel happy most of the time for the first time in my life.

I was being facetious in my post R203. But after reading your post, I am glad you didn't take it that way. Thank you for sharing.

R181, the only way you'd think "looking out" for someone with snide comments about their meals is if you're one of the assholes who does it.

[quote] I was being facetious in my post [R203].

It would not be unexpected that if you are a person who deceives themselves about their eating issues then you would also be deceitful, or in this case facetious, with others.

[quote] the only way you'd think "looking out" for someone with snide comments about their meals is if you're one of the assholes who does it.

In that scenario, it is not a snide comment to encourage someone to consider the calories of a food item if the person is in need of help from others.

R206, what are you even talking about? I thanked R204 for his posts, it was very heartfelt. I was being facetious with the smooth brain at r189 who had been posting the most platitudinous dieting advice like he had just read all the posters in the middle school nurses office and took notes. I think you need to unclutch your pearls. You're preventing the oxygen from reaching your brain.

R197 I get mine from an online provider - it's $297 a month. It's not cheap, but my cunt primary care P.A. wouldn't prescribe it for me, not even the compounded version, although I am fairly certain she is on it as she has lost about 50 + lbs. in the past year. If you google it you will see several online providers.

I pay a fairly modest monthly co-pay for Mounjaro, but my insurance company initially refused to cover it. My doctor had to write a letter to my insurer saying that I needed it for my type 2 diabetes, and then it was approved. I'm not a fat person.

I want to desperately get it to try it. I live in Europe though. I am afraid of getting some bootleg version online. How do you know it's the real stuff that you are getting?

R209 200 bones a month isn't bad, considering you probably save money on food, right? And I'm not being facetious. I thought it was way more than that, like 1000 or so.

The retail price is more than $1,000 a month, R212.

Sorry, I meant 300 in R212. Yeah, 300 is way better than it could be.

I’m seeing an “obesity medicine” doctor who is affiliated with the local university medical center and in my insurance plan. She knows her shit as far as insurance approvals.

She first made a point to document everywhere that I have insulin resistance, even though I don’t and my A1C and all my labs are normal. Then she put me on a trial of metformin which I stopped due to side effects. Then she gave me a prescription for Ozempic which she said would be covered by insurance due to my previously having been on metformin without improvement. Yes, insurance covered it.

[quote]She first made a point to document everywhere that I have insulin resistance, even though I don’t and my A1C and all my labs are normal

There's countless fatties who have blamed insulin resistance instead of acknowledging their overeating being the cause of their obesity, but I hadn't heard of a doctor doing that before.

Insulin resistance is caused by obesity.

So what are you saying R215? Is this a hack to get it? Your doc is fraudulently claiming you have insulin resistance and fake putting you on other drugs so she can say you tried everything and ozempic is all that works? Seems dishonest of her but I guess that's the only way you can get a drug that would otherwise be expensive and hard to obtain.

[quote]So what are you saying [R215]? Is this a hack to get it?

I don't know if it's a hack. I'm just saying that's what she did, and insurance covered it. This is all she does is treat obesity and prescribe and manage these drugs, so I'm sure she's learned how to get things approved.

We make over six figures. My insurance paid for it. I quit due to side effects.

r210 ditto - except I am on ozempic which is not as good at weight loss as mounjaro. I pay nothing though.

You definitely don't want some bootleg version online. It's a complicated drug that took teams of people years to develop. Best case scenario is that it's only saline that you're injecting. Worse case scenario is that it's some toxic sludge whipped up by a clueless dude.

r220 we? how many were taking it?

I know someone who was taking off brand ozempic (segmalitude or whatever it is called) and had a very bad reaction. Lost 30 lbs but was so sick and gained it all back when they went off. Is still having a bad reaction.

R223 “We make over six figures.” My husband and I. I was taking Ozempic. It was awful.

I’ve just started my 9th week of Wegovy, so I’m about halfway through to the full titration and no major side effects so far.. I’ve lost 27 lbs and am happy with the progress. Mathematically with the calories I’m eating, I’m shooting for 10 pounds a month going forward, until I hit my goal, and I’ll adjust those calories as I loose more weight. I’m currently eating 1250 calories a day of which 150 grams are protein to avoid muscle wasting. I’m also doing 6,000 steps a day. Best best way to describe how I feel on it is the feeling of fullness on the verge of feeling gross after eating a massive meal. It’s nice not to be so food driven.

These medications are a tool to dampen hunger, you still have to reduce your consumption to loose weight. Calories still matter. The subreddits and FB groups are filled with people on this for months or years who’ve hardly lost anything because they don’t track what they eat. It’s shocking how many people who have spent thousands and all that time don’t understand how these meds work. They think it’s a magic bullet requiring no discipline.

She’s an unpleasant person, but she’s speaking the truth. It’s well known that once you become long-term significantly obese, your chances of keeping weight off through dieu and exercise alone are essentially zero.

The opposition to Ozempic has only two bases: 1) concern about its side effects (which will either be confirmed or refuted in due course) and 2) resentment of fat people.

If you want to be judgmental about fat people you can perhaps be judgmental of them or their parents for the fact that they got fat in the first place, but it’s idiotic to pretend that they can do much to reverse it without medication once they have become long-term obese.

Except the people "concerned about side effects" are openly gleeful about them. They grin and say, "I heard it will give you cancer and make you throw up diarrhea!" in the most cheerful self satisfied tone you've ever heard.

R210 What is your fairly modest co-pay?

[quote]The opposition to Ozempic has only two bases: 1) concern about its side effects (which will either be confirmed or refuted in due course) and 2) resentment of fat people.

If they lose fat people to deride R226, then they'll really have to focus on why their husband doesn't love them, or whatever other problem is making THEIR lives miserable.

I'm not surprised I have r226 on block. Their whole schtick to to keep repeating that diet and exercise won't work even though the world is FILLED with people who have lost significant amounts of weight and kept it off for years, and often forever. I know many people who did it that way and have managed to keep it off. r226 thinks they are being helpful when really, THEY are the ones telling people who have excess fat that there is no hope without drugs and they should take a good, hard look at why that seems to be their mantra. You absolutely can lose weight with a combination of diet, exercise and therapy to understand what is the driving factor behind eating too much.

How much is Novo Nordisk paying you to be their shill? Newsflash: Even these drugs will stop working at some point and all the experts in the field say you still must diet and exercise to keep it coming off. How about instead of telling obese people there's no hope without taking a risky drug, you look into the reasons why you believe this bullshit.

R230. You really should report your findings to the medical establishment since what you are posting is highly remarkable. If the world is FILLED with people who maintained substantial weight loss why are they not reported on the medical literature? Why is it that almost no one knows such people?

Posts on weight loss are a tiny, tiny fraction of what I post on. So, your claim that it’s my whole schtick shows that you at extremity bad at counting, observing, and thinking. It’s no surprise your ideas about weight are also stupid and worthless.

if you want to be then seriously, you really shouldn’t announce in your first paragraph that you have difficulty counting and observing reality

Who needs scientific studies when an idiot with a personality disorder like R230 is here to advise?

So lovely how she just seems to put everything so eloquently. What are her accomplishments again?

What r230 doesn't seem to understand is that no one is saying weight loss is impossible. Of course it is possible. The point is that there are large number of people for whom to maintain said weight loss in their life, to stay on top of it, it becomes and all-consuming practice. Most fail or yo-yo back and forth. We are all physically different and our bodies react differently to food. There is never a point, no matter how much you lose, that you say, phew, I am glad that's over and now I can enjoy my life. And no amount of therapy is going to change how you're body reacts to food. Therapy just helps you adjust to all the sacrifices you have to make around food. Either way it becomes an obsession. So you're either obese or you are extremely fit and on top of every little thing you eat.

So if something can help someone quite those voices, give them some breathing room, why are you so against it?

I'm not against Ozempic, r234. I'm against the people who claim it's the only way to lose the weight. And no need to explain how the relationship with food works to me. I know first hand what it takes to change that relationship. It's a lot of work but with a lot of sacrifices...even for those on Ozempic. Trust me that if Ozempic was proven to be 100% safe and could keep the weight off permanently, I would absolutely try it. But that day hasn't come yet and the risks far outweigh the benefits currently.

r235 What Ozempic and the like do Is fix the metabolic issues some of us have post-dieting. The problem is for those of us who have insulin resistance it is either to live a life of keto forever or gain weight again eating normally.

R235. It certainly isn’t the only way to lose weight. Losing weight is relatively common. Keeping significant weight off for an extended period is what is vanishingly rare.

I think Ozempic is still too untested to risk for minor weight loss, but, if were severely obese, it would definitely be worth a try rather than hoping I might be the one person in a hundred or two hundred who keeps weight off through sheer willpower. Severe obesity can be life-destroying even apart from its medical consequences.

It’s not a completely new drug so it isn’t a drug we know nothing about. We all engage in completely optional activities that entail risk. And many, many people take pharmaceuticals that are much more optional than Ozempic—the pill and finasteride, for example. In those cases few people squeal about tue ungodly risks people are putting their bodies thorough.

Insulin resistance can be reversed without drugs, r236. Why are you saying it's a forever condition?

[quote] We make over six figures. My insurance paid for it. I quit due to side effects.

Seven figures?

r238 is not reversible for everyone. I am type 2 now, lived my whole life not even knowing I had insulin resistance problems. I was an active kid, played football all through high school, and walked on a Division One team before I got smart and realized guys at 300 pounds were going to kill me. I have always carried extra weight. Not a lot maybe 20 pounds at my leanest, 30 at my heaviest. I am six feet tall at my highest weight I was 230 worked out every day with cardio, weights, cardio..could never lose the weight. Ate high protien, tried atkins, keto-only complex carbs, and cutting calories. Nothing changed it. I could lose a bit but still carried. Forever dad bod. I also have high blood pressure and I ignored it till it put me in the ER with a nosebleed that would not stop. I got put on meds for my BP and during the testing, my doctor said my A1C was now in the type 2 range. I went on metformin and tested my sugar daily as I went on strict keto. Guess what. My sugar would not drop. My doctor doubled my metformin dose. Still high. I was eating 20 carbs maybe a day. Then I went on Ozempic. I ramped up to 1 ml a week. I suddenly knew what it was like to be a normal person. The weight was coming off slowly at first but I changed nothing. My Doctor even told me to go off keto so I would not have sugar issues. I still ate like I always did watching my calories and carbs. But now, my sugars were in the normal range. So much so I stopped testing like a mad man daily. My last A1C was 4.8. Normal as in not a diabetic. The drug has helped me to not be diabetic. That is what is has done for me and a bumch of ohter people who could never figure out why they were just "heavy."

That's great, r240! I am happy for you! You are exactly who this drug was meant for!

[quote]R210 What is your fairly modest co-pay? '

About $45 a month.

R234 It's an all consuming practice for people who are in shape to stay in shape too. I guess it's a question of whether staying in shape is important to you. It is to me.

The difference is that there is statistical evidence that people can stay in shape. There is little evidence that long-term significant weight loss for the long-term obese is possible .

The question is whether we would eschew medicine in favor of meaningless exhortations and advocacy of willpower when there is almost no evidence that those work. Obviously, those beliefs are an important source of psychological comfort and self-esteem to many and important to their worldview, but they don’t serve as an adequate basis for medical policy.

fads don't work. never will. not for long.

So true, R245. I'm lost without my Metrecal.

r243, yes, if you look at the statistics of people who have lost a large amount of weight and kept it off, every single one of them said that there never is a point where you can just stop the exercising and watching what you eat. Even when you hit that goal weight, you have to keep doing what you're doing.

For me, that means working out 5-6 days per week for an hour maybe an hour and a half. And cooking for myself a lot. Both are things I'd totally be ok doing for the rest of my life as I enjoy them now. Plus, I feel better which is a bonus. Working out for 1.5 hours a day isn't really that difficult. How many people would happily sit on their couch watching mindless tv for that long? It's worth it to make that effort and it's really not that much time sacrifice. The being mindful about food part can be annoying, but I give myself permission on my birthday and near Christmas to splurge a bit and then go right back to my routine. I'm finding the more I keep seeing results, the less I care about those splurges.

This issue is you can gain fat cells but you cannot lose them unless you have fat removed. They can shrink but never go away. So formerly fat people have little cells just waiting to hold fat again. If you have damaged your metabolism to type 2 range, you have to either live your life counting carbs and working out like a fiend to stay slim or go on something like Mounjaro or Ozempic. The use of Wegovy and the like for weight loss it trying to prevent Type 2.

I have Insulin Resistance and want Ozempic for the extra energy it gave me. I've been on a diet avoiding simple carbs for years, and exercise a lot but Metformin isn't giving me as much energy as it once did. And that's the rub with IR, T2 or other conditions which affect how you process food. If our bodies used food for fuel as they should, we'd be able to get more done.

Eat more protein, r249. Look up how much you should be eating and try to hit that mark. I was shocked that at my age and body weight, I need 98 grams of protein daily. I was hitting around 40-50 and started making protein shakes in the afternoon. I add some hemp hearts to it and I cannot believe how much more energy I have since upping the protein. It also has the added bonus of keeping me satiated in between meals.

actually it's just pathetic and hilarious that you need a pill to suppress your pig appetite because there's no other way you could possibly only eat a reasonable number of calories in a day.it makes YOU look dysfunctional and stupid.

R251, everyone is different. I hope a pitbull chews your thyroid out

R252, there’s nothing in what r251 wrote that stated that all gluttonous pigs are the same. Stop using “everyone is different” as an excuse.

R252 i dont feel the need to qualify every statement i make with an acknowledgment of edge cases. The truth is the huge majority of overweight people are in a caloric surplus and not suffering from some fringe condition. Even so, said conditions usually just lower the metabolic rate - weight gain and loss still functions on the basis of calories consumed and utilized.

I wonder if just paying fatties to stop overeating could be effective. Health and the opportunity to look like a normal person are often not enough of an incentive, but would cold hard cash work? I know, the most likely outcome is that they would take the cash and head to the nearest Dairy Queen, but I think it would be worth a study.

[quote]I wonder if just paying fatties to stop overeating could be effective.

I hope you don't spend a lot of time wondering about this.

To the freak who doesn't understand how insulin resistance and T2 can be genetic and brought on by neurological conditions, you should have had professional trauma treatment, and probably a lobotomy. You are the worst advocate for trauma therapy I've ever encountered.

Great that you lost weight through exercise and diet, sad that you come across like a Herbalife shill pushing others to follow your course. As if some of us aren't already exercising and dieting.Just because one friend (actually, I don't believe you have any friends) asked you about Ozempic and admitted she found exercise hard, don't assume everyone else does.

Don't bother responding as I have you on block, dear.

Oh fuck off, R43. Being 20 lbs. overweight is not a “struggle”. What are you supposed to be, a supermodel? Fuck off. Too bad there isn’t a pill to stop you from lying to yourself and behaving as if you’re superior to the rest of us.

“I’ve never been more than 20 lbs. overweight but now I have found such peace!” Fuck. Off. You should try to find a brain.

20lbs overweight IS a struggle when you've been trying to lose it your entire life to no avail, especially when your my height. As I said, everyone is different. And wake up sister, a huge portion of the people taking Ozempic are not obese, or would even be considered fat in Peoria. But they want to to be thin and not chubby or zaftig for the first time in their life.

[quote] Millions of people aren’t overweight JUST because they lack self-discipline.

Maybe we should focus first on the millions of people who are overweight indeed just because they lack self-discipline. They require the most effort to crack their incredible amount of denial.

Maybe you should just focus on yourself R260. It sounds like there's a lot of work to accomplish.

r258 no one said it was a supermodel look. Try this. Take a 20 pound weight and tie it to yoru waist. Walk around with it all day long and see how your body feels. It's not about being Brad Pitt, it's about being healthy. Your joints, your body, your mental health. and r251 Ozempic is a shot, not a pill and it does not suppress your hunger, not kike you are thinking. If you wanted ice cream yesterday you still want it today but now your body knows how to process the carbs you just crammed in your system. Don't confuse overeating issues with what Ozempic treats. If you had food issues before you will still have them. Nothing changed mental behavior and Ozempic can be a tool to help people change that behavior but it is not a one shot fix all. Keep in mind most people with food addcitions will probably be type 2 or at least pre-diabetic. Ozempic treats the symptom but not the cause.

[quote] They require the most effort to crack their incredible amount of denial.

I should add that the other thing to deal with those people is their hostility and rage when it is correctly pointed out to them that their lack of self discipline is the cause of their being overweight.

my friend got ordered Semaglutide online for dirt cheap. She got it a month ago and now she is having problems pooping. she hasn't gone in 2 days.

I think that's what happens R264, either you can't poop at all or you have explosive diarrhea forever. Paralyzing your stomach probably has some down sides.

so what do those people who can't poop on this do? laxatives forever?

Good question. Maybe enemas everyday?

r266 no do not use enemas. Increase your fiber intake. I suggest Miralax. Most likely your friend is not eating enough fiber.

Oh really R268? I've never had or needed an enema, thank god. Why is it bad?

r269 is not bad for you just won't fix the issue. Constipation is usually caused by a lack of water. A saline enema will cause your bowels to evacuate. Getting water soluable fiber into the diet will help move the food along. The constipation issues with Ozempic are not typical. The food is sitting in the stomach. I would warn her intially she could have a very big movement. Once she get some regular fiber in her diet she should be fine. Ozempic just amplifies bad eating habits (like lack of fiber).

Hilarious the number of people triggered by someone successfully losing weight without this shit.

R266 Prescription medication.

R264 It can go on for days .

R262. No one’s triggered. People just don’t believe there’s much chance they will keep it off long-term based on abundant scientific evidence.

r271 no one is triggered by people who lose weight without assistance. I am jealous. Wish I could.

R271, not triggered so much as disgusted and fascinated, dear. Just absolutely appalled that someone who can access the internet doesn't understand that not everyone is overweight due to eating too much unhealthy food and not exercising. And those who are, do not deserve what you've been heaping on them.

People are different heights, have different frames, varying IQs, different coloured skin/hair/eyes, but in your world everyone has the same metabolic rate, hypothalamus gland, thyroid gland, pancreas and ability to gain muscle mass.

You're so stupid, you couldn't even tell when someone ripped the piss out of you and your laughable *advice*, FFS! Intellectually and emotionally you're an utter fucking joke.

But keep telling yourself you've done so *well*! Stay in your little bubble!

[quote] People are different heights, have different frames, varying IQs, different coloured skin/hair/eyes…

That’s why it’s important for overweight people to learn what their individual calorie need is so that can reduce their calorie consumption to a level below that in order to lose weight. They can then learn to exercise self-control to manage their diet accordingly.

^ Not true R277. It’s not just based on that. Two people of the exact same height and same weight could need widely different caloric intakes to manage, lose weight. One person could eat pretty much what they want within reason, moderation. The other might not be able to eat anything but chicken breasts and broccoli and no alcohol for months on end to move that needle significantly.

[quote] Two people of the exact same height and same weight could need widely different caloric intakes to manage, lose weight.

R278, I’m not sure how you didn’t see or understand that I already stated that overweight people need to learn “what their individual calorie need is”. You need to learn how much your body and lifestyle require so that you can reduce your calorie consumption to a level below that in order to lose weight.

"Two people of the exact same height and same weight could have widely different degrees to which they lie about their caloric intakes."

FTFY.

Remember the fat, retarded, brother from "My name is Earl"? Check him out now!

My doctor suggested it. He knows how hard to stay in shape and what the implications are if I gain weight and become T2. I have conditions which not only cause weight gain, but the meds for them also cause weight gain. My whole life is built around keeping weight off.

The energy ozempic gave me was unbelievable at the lowest dose. I wouldn't begrudge anyone taking it and hope it becomes widely used as there are a lot of obese people who suffer other conditions due to their weight. This drug is a valuable resource. There are similar ones coming that are still in the trial phase.

R277 is all about lecturing on using only diet and exercise to keep trim. For those of us who are already doing that and struggling, these drugs are the answer. They're not a licence to be lazy and eat crap. Not all health conditions have medication to treat them. Telling people who need them not to take them is like telling someone with pneumonia not to go to hospital for antibiotics.

R279 I understood your point. But you were so quick to defend yours that you didn't get mine.

My point is that for some people their individual caloric intake to lose and maintain weight is so unrealistically low that it is very hard to maintain. For some people moderation isn't enough and it takes militaristic precision of measuring food, monitoring everything they eat, not having alcohol, or excluding some food groups entirely, forever, to achieve the same results as someone who can get by with moderation or even someone who can eat whatever they want. So YES, it is possible, but all consuming and not easy and excessive. So if these types of people, which there are tens of millions, have access to a medicine that can make this easier for them, who are you to say they are cheating?

[quote] For some people moderation isn't enough and it takes militaristic precision of measuring food, monitoring everything they eat, not having alcohol, or excluding some food groups entirely, forever, to achieve the same results as someone who can get by with moderation or even someone who can eat whatever they want.

Dieting can be challenging for people who haven’t learned self-control or self-discipline, but this is the right track. Overweight people need to learn what their individual calorie requirement is so they can reduce their calorie consumption to a level below that in order to lose weight.

R276, these posts belong to you. Seems like you're the one who has an issue with people who have excess fat. I've never once called anyone a "chunky heifer," you wanker.

I Eat a Large Bowl of Ice Cream Every Night One of my friends is eating ice-cream every night, not exercising and steadily getting bigger.

I Eat a Large Bowl of Ice Cream Every Night I know a chunky heifer who rides her bike a lot. But it can't counteract the effect of all the shitty food she eats.

Who cares what this cow thinks.

Exactly, r283. The people against these drugs don't live in caves or hollowed out trees, wearing pelts of fur. Although they sound like they do. The drugs are another step forward and will enable countless people to get on with life without being anal about food and exercise. Probably help with food addiction for those who suffer with that.

I don't need to be formally diagnosed to know that I most likely have Orthorexia. Most members of my family probably have it. We have to be. I wouldn't recommend it. It's basically being excessively rigid about eating and exercise. It's an eating disorder.

R284 thinks that people struggling with food addiction look one way - morbidly obese. I would say I have an addiction to food. I started my first diet when I was 9 years old. I’m 48 now. I have never been skinny my entire life, that’s just not my build. I was a chubby kid. In my adult years I have been in an amazing shape for me, 12% body fat, muscular, gym twice a day, great easy muscular build when I train my body. But never once during those periods was my struggle with food, constantly monitoring it, not a part of that. Staying in good healthy shape for some people is a full time job and all consuming - and I’m not going for the cover of magazines. I’m just trying not to blow up. And as soon as I take my eye off the prize (life events, injuries, other more pressing issues other than my weight) I go up 10lbs and it takes me half a year to get it back off. And over the years that 10lbs has looked like 130-140 in my 20s, 140-150, in my 30s, 150-160 in my 40s, and now I’m struggling just to stay under 170 and I’m 5’6”.

And I’ve done everything, South Beach, Atkins, Intermittent, they ALL work - to a point, then my body stops responding. I am not unhealthy. All my vitals are good. My body just puts on weight super fast and it takes forever for me to loose it, and I keep needing to move my benchmark of success. Mind you I make all my own food, go to the gym four or five days a week and walk at least 3 miles a day - to and from the gym along is a 25 minute walk.

So no I’m not struggling with eating chocolate cake at 3am. I understand how food works. I’ve just never understood the exact reason why my body reacts the way it does to it.

^ SO if I could take a drug that would get me down to 150lbs again with all of the hard work I put into staying in shape now, I’d try it in a heart beat if I could get my hands on it from a source I trust.

As others have noted, Ozempic and Mounjaro aren't magic pills, and they're certainly not "Stuff Your Face for Free" cards. You still have to watch your food intake and get some exercise.

Can we ban this miserable, unwashed cunt from public life? Her ugly emanates from her insides, which look like black tar. We will all be better off.

There's a new "Impact Nightline" on hulu about this and Kelly is mentioned as Hollywood royalty, lol. It has the fat chick from Real Housewives Salt Lake City and she basically admits the fat positivity movement is bullshit and that if people can be skinny, they're going to. Yeah we know all that, but is it worth it? If you get the gastro paresis and the lifelong diarrhea, is it worth it? It sounds fucking awful, I think I'd rather diet. Didn't Tammy Wynette have gastroparesis on her death certificate? like that was part of her issue, due to her fucking non stop opiate consumption.

R292, sometimes diet and exercise aren't enough. People who have medical conditions that cause weight gain or use medications that cause weight gain...

There are newer versions in the trial phase which hopefully won't have the side effects.

R288, has your doctor discussed metabolic syndrome or insulin resistance with you?

Does it have to be kept in the fridge?

Or is room temperature ok?

[quote] sometimes diet and exercise aren't enough.

You mean some people have to reduce their calorie intake more than others in order to lose weight.

When fatties won’t stick to a diet, it’s exactly the same as someone who doesn’t take blood pressure medication when they are supposed to and when their blood pressure then stays high, they say the medication doesn’t work.

I'm on Mounjaro, and it's supposed to be kept refrigerated, R294. But I also read in the instruction booklet that it can be kept at room temperature for up to three weeks, which is good to know if one is traveling.

So it can be refrigerated...or just fucking sit in your room for 3 weeks? Good to know. That's a pretty long span, I could see like maybe it could be out for two days, but 21 days is a long time.

I'm guessing it's best to just keep it refrigerated, R298.

Fatties have room in their refrigerator for the medication after they throw out all the mounds of refrigerated cookie dough.

R296. You are seriously weird and unpleasant.

R301, it seems r296 can't comprehend that there are medications for treating metabolic and other conditions which lead/contribute to obesity. He says he lost weight through diet and exercise, so he thinks everyone else can.

The stupidity he displays is off the charts. Also, the lack of insight or empathy. One of the trolls on this thread claims to have self-administered EMDR for trauma...SMH

I never said I self administered EMDR for trauma, you dolt. You can ask my EMDR trained therapist who I paid thousands of dollars to.

I lost 210 pounds of toxic weight. I dumped my husband.

Chav English.

Sharon Osbourne reveals doctors 'can't figure out' why she hasn't been able to gain weight back after losing 42lbs on Ozempic - even though she stopped taking it months ago

Oprah needs to reconsider her hair styling, as her head looks too big for her body now. Cover the forehead, not so much volume, etc.

^her wigs are SO thick. You need GPS to run a comb through them.

How much weight did you lose so far

“Ohh well I just lost so much weight, I think I need more attention before I get canceled again for loving their money and not their values! Oh I just can’t even eat! I’m like a triple zero now, so normal for my age!”