*New Hampshire Primary Results*

So our long national nightmare is over??

Well, Dixville Notch voted for Biden over Trump in 2020, so it's probably not that surprising that they would prefer Haley over Trump in 2024.

Whether she can carry that over to the rest of the state will be a harder task.

How did they vote for Biden over Trump in a primary?

"That bitch is trying to steal the election!"

Ahh Poll Troll. I had wondered when you were going to appear this year. I think Dump will win. All the analysts I've heard say it will be the size of the margin between them as to whether she can justify running further past her home state.

If only R1. But no. Dump will never give up and will split the party to exact revenge if he's not the nominee. They're all nuts because they've had to put up with Biden all these years. 70% of them STILL think 2020 was a stolen election and they're furious about that and the border crisis and the cost of living which they blame Biden for - and they want revenge. In all the news stories I see when they interview voters they a lot of them say "we would prefer someone else but we'll definitely vote Trump if he's the nominee". They all say the same thing.

R3, they voted for Biden over Trump in November 2020. I should have specified that. That was their last vote until today.

R5, yes, Trump is likely to beat Haley. There was one poll showing her doing well, but the average of the polls puts him ahead.

[quote]Ahh Poll Troll. I had wondered when you were going to appear this year.

Tell me you weren't here for the Iowa caucuses without telling me you weren't here for the Iowa caucuses.

Averages, so we can see who outperformed.

RCP: Trump 54.9% / Haley 36.7%

538: Trump 52.3% / Haley 36.7%

A little New Hampshire related ramble, to get the party going.

[quote]“We won world wars out of forts,” he said at an event in Rochester, New Hampshire. “Fort Benning, Fort This, Fort That, many forts. They changed the name, we won wars out of these forts, they changed the name, they changed the name of the forts. A lot of people aren’t too happy about that.”

^ Did he mention the airports under siege by the British? I love airport related Revolutionary War stories 😉

PollTroll, did Biden sweep Dixville Notch in 2020?

Yes, Biden got five votes and Trump none.

^ Ok, who didn't vote in 2020? You've got a lot of explaining to do, Mister 😠

We don’t know what the actual preference is. When you know there are only six voters, and thus no anonymity with the votes, it looks like the safer thing to do was vote Haley. Everywhere else in NH, where it won’t be evident whom individual voters voted for, it’s likely to be a very different story.

Glad they didn't vote for Trump. Dixville Notch is the sticks and the only place for people to work is at the Balsam Resort.

Well, what's happening? I'm hearing low turnout.

R16, turnout is apparently pretty good today.

The Secretary of State is even predicting record turnout:

We shall see tonight.

[quote]The Secretary of State is even predicting record turnout:

All the NeverTrumpers and the ForeverTrumpers duking it out today.

In light of last week's poll that suggested nearly half if Haley primary voters are likelyto vote for Biden in the general, I'm encouraged by the poll numbers at r8.

[QUOTE]A little New Hampshire related ramble, to get the party going.

Except Trump made it Georgia-related. 😂

Most polls about to close in New Hampshire.

You know what else is about to close? Nikki Haley’s presidential campaign.

Dave Wasserman:

Based on the initial precincts reporting, this isn't going to be a total Trump blowout.

Dave Wasserman now predicting Trump will win the New Hampshire primary:

I think she'll win.

I'm sorry but this is really upsetting to me and upsetting me. All of the problems... all of the issues that we are now facing... and everyone is thrilled beyond thrilled about the horse race. Our nation's politics and OUR FUTURE isn't about the racetrack!!!

But... I LOVE YOU, Poll Troll! I really, REALLY, do!!!

Hi, R25. 😊 I hope you are having a good evening.

Haley will do well in the southern half of the state. That's all she needs as the population is much smaller to the north. No doubt she'll win Hanover (Dartmouth College), they hate Trump.

What’s really upsetting too, r25, was I thought we were rid of this pus-filled jackass after Jan. 6, but here he is again. I’m in shock at the ignorance of his followers. I guess I shouldn’t be. 🙁🙁🙁

Haley is leading Trump in these early results, but it's probably not going to last much longer.

Poll Troll, what are you thinking? I know you respect Wasserman. Hell, for all we know, you ARE Wasserman.

Agreed, R28. I'm listening to the people and who they voted for. I'm stunned by those who admit that they voted for Trump and their reason(s) why

CNN polls show that 67% of these GOP primary voters don’t want a total ban on abortion, but obviously it’s not a prior for them.

Portsmouth looks good for Haley on the NYT map.

R33/ElderLez, yes, Haley is getting about two-thirds of the early vote in Portsmouth.

Kornacki saying Haley is performing about where she needed to in the early results in so far.

R35, yeah, Haley is doing okay so far, but it's probably not going to be enough to win.

Rachel Maddow looks hot tonight. I love that ribbed turtleneck

Steve Kornacki is looking hot and ready with that haircut

Ari Melber.... always scrumptious!

And could someone please tell me what is that blonde thing on top of Joy Reid's head?

Easiest prediction Wasserman has ever made R23.

It boggles my mind that anyone would vote for Trump.

R38, yeah, what people will be interested in now is the margin. Trump is hoping for a double-digit win. Right now his lead over Haley is 5.5 points.

Way to go, PRESIDENT JOE BIDEN, who beat the dog shit shit out of his opponents via a write-in campaign showing that Democrats in NH ❤️ Joe!

R41, yeah, Biden is getting about 80% of the vote in the early returns. 😉

"Quite the CNN exit poll. The question was, "Do you think Biden legitimately won in 2020?"

AMONG TRUMP VOTERS Yes:                 17% No:                  80%

AMONG HALEY VOTERS Yes:                 83% No:                  15%"

Haley doing very well with college-educated voters.

I wrote in Joe Biden on my ballot.

AP has called the race.

Haley is done. She’s finished.

We all know what this is coming down to. There’s only one man who can save the world from another Trump presidency.

R45 casting his vote for Biden/Harris and Democracy!

R46/ElderLez, yeah, AP made their call about 40-45 minutes after Wasserman.

Only question now is whether Haley can keep Trump's win in the single digits.

Rigged and Stollen!!!

Unsurprising that Hayley is finished R47. OK so it's definitely going to be Dump as the GOP nominee.

Biden and Dump AGAIN. Let's hope that Biden can do it again because the Republicans want their pound of flesh and they want revenge. They'll all be determinedly voting. Unbelievable that so many of them still think the 202 election was stolen and Biden is an illegitimate president. Mindboggling.

Change your name and file again, Nimbra! #NeverGiveUpBackDownWearYourWhiteGoGoBoots

MSNBC calls it for Haley, too.

Embarrassed for our country in the eyes of the world.

NO! Brainwashed sheeple.

I got two write-in votes!

I love you, Mindy!

Why are the cable networks spending all of this time on one state's primary? I understand it's important since it is the first primary, but it's one fucking state. And a small one with hardly any delegates! MSNBC just called it for Trump, so what are they going to do for the next three hours?

"Joe Biden becomes the first person to ever win a presidential primary as a write-in candidate."

CNN calls New Hampshire for Trump.

[quote] Unsurprising that Hayley is finished

Please keep me out of this.

The Democrats didn't have a primary in NH.

Fucking Trump. What takes the sting out of it a bit is that Concord didn't go for him, and I am in that area. R57 It's the first primary, thus the hoopla.

I don't give a Fuck if Trump wins the Republican primaries. It's OVER for him- he's decompensating fast mentally, and won't even be fit to change his own diapers soon. The Courts are slowly but surely stripping him of his wealth and obliterating Trump. Co, and come March he will be in a global monstrosity of hurt during the Criminal prosection of his many crimes against the State in Federal Court.

Nikki Haley says in her speech that she is going on to South Carolina.

... where she will lose again.

NH doesn’t seem to have as big a share of idiots as Iowa, but they’re certainly there. A few minutes ago, CNN interviewed a voter who claimed that Trump has given up on vengeance. And then there’s the fool Conway writes about below.

She doesn’t have to win, she just has to give him the stench of weakness by having a decent showing.

R61 I wrote Joe in on the democrat ballot.

Nikki Haley now bringing up Trump confusing her with Nancy Pelosi last week.

Miss Kitara Ravache showed up to support Trump

Santos has stacked on more weight again.

I want Vaughn Hillyard deep inside me.

Behold the only human being who defies the laws about the slimming power of black.

Who paid to ship his ample ass all the way up there?

[quote] The Democrats didn't have a primary in NH.

Democrats did have a primary but the result don't award any delegates because the state held their primary earlier that allowed by the DNC.

Nimbra, Nancy! All women are alike, you know? Don't I know. Except my wife. Mel. Melanie. Melania. Beautiful woman, my wife! Many people said she was the most beautiful First Lady ever. Not like Nimbra or Nancy, she's always scowling and she was responsible for the assault by Antifa operatives and rouge Federal agents attacking the Capitol. It was all whatsherface. I could call in a Seal Teal 6 and take care of her, for you only you!, but I need immunity, that's important the most important thing for your favorite president, ME.

"Her notch is gonna be Footsville by the time I . . ."

[quote]MSNBC just called it for Trump, so what are they going to do for the next three hours?

We have to listen to Rachel Maddow bloviate and lecture us, and then listen to Chris Hayes yell at us, and then listen to Joy Reid warn us that Democrats aren't doing enough to reach black voters.

R67 correct, ElderLez. And that’s why she’ll stay in the race as long as she can. She financially backed by people who want to drive a stake in Trump’s miserable heart. Hoping she’ll keep him to single digits tonight.

Unfortunately Trump is now 10 points ahead of Haley in NH.

It's not going to make any difference in the long run R78.

WtF was that speech from Nimrata? Why can't she just bow to the inevitable instead of wasting millions of dollars. She's not even going to win her home state. Call it a day dear.

Jack Smith will save us!

Why is Miss Lindsey with Trump tonight? She isn’t from New Hampshire.

Haley's 46% to Trump's 53% is a really good showing. A single digit margin would be fantastic. I'm kind of heartened by it. If up to 1/2 of her voters vote for Biden in the general as suggested by a poll last week, this can only be good news.

R83, Miss Lindsey loves licking Trump's ass:

This is frightening - that people are still supporting Trump is absolutely horrifying to me. He’s going to gain momentum.

She needs to stay in the race. Eat up those millions. Make Trump spend.

[QUOTE] This is frightening - that people are still supporting Trump is absolutely horrifying to me. He’s going to gain momentum.

We’re talking about Republicans here, R86. They can barely be considered people.

Vaughn Hilliard. Naked. 22% in 80,000 100%

Once again here we have an incumbent former President showing surprisingly soft support from his own party. That is one of the major takeaways from IA and NH.

R84, Trump is likely to beat Haley by double digits based on the direction the results are going. But yes, the polling favors Biden in New Hampshire. Biden is leading Trump in current NH polling.

They voted for a rapist. I'll have to slap them all silly.

[quote]If up to 1/2 of her voters vote for Biden in the general as suggested by a poll last week, this can only be good news.

R84 - there have been extensive media interviews of Republican voters who are voting for Hayley and they have all said that they will line up and vote for Dump if he's the nominee. Not one of them said they would vote for Biden in November. They are voting whoever the GOP candidate is. So what's the good news?

Bless this woman!

That's not what I saw with the exit interviews, R93. Haley voters were saying the opposite. Can you link them, please? Not being snarky, I truly want to see

[quote]as to whether she can justify running further past her home state.

She doesn't need to justify running.

Her Dark Money Capitalist donors simply need to keep her fire hose at full pressure.

Trump needs a formidable opponent. Christie was the only one who took him on.

Check out PBS R95. There have been daily stories interviewing Republicans and they all say the same thing from the evangelicals to the Hayley and DeSantis voters.

When the chips fall - they'd prefer it was someone else but they'll all get in line vote for Dump.

Another photo of Miss Santos at the New Hampshire Trump party:

I will, R98. Thanks.

I did just find this, which doesn't work with Haley or Trump's platform or any Republican's. Great news!

"According to NBC News Exit Poll results, 67% of New Hampshire Republican primary voters said they would oppose a federal law banning most or all abortions nationwide. Just 27% said they would favor such a ban."

So where is the Haley asshole pushing the narrative that Big Money wants her to take out dump? The one who claims that orange will drop out and tell his cult to vote for her and they will?

Who claims Haley is going to win NH and SC and this force orange jesus to drop out?

Where are you, asshole?

Big as a house R99!

[QUOTE]Republican voters who are voting for Hayley and they have all said that they will line up and vote for Dump if he's the nominee. Not one of them said they would vote for Biden in November. They are voting whoever the GOP candidate is. So what's the good news?

Do you honestly believe any currently self-identified Republicans would be caught admitting they would vote for Biden on a national TV broadcast witnessed by friends and neighbors and disseminated on SM? The good news is that polling is anonymous.

"I got a train set!"

Kitara must be trying to drum up Cameo business. He’s had to drop his price to $350.

OK, Rachel just made a funny. "Biden-curious." I wonder how many viewers got that.

Stop being so unrealistic R103. I like your positivity but republicans will all line up and vote for whoever the GOP candidate is. To believe they would all magically vote Democrat for Biden is ridiculous and completely unrealistic. The number of GOP voters who would actually do this is miniscule and inconsequential.

OMG, he looks more orange than ever.

[quote]I like your positivity but republicans will all line up and vote for whoever the GOP candidate is. To believe they would all magically vote Democrat for Biden is ridiculous and completely unrealistic.

Many of them will stay home if it's Dump vs Biden.

Trump is now letting Vivek speak for some reason.

Notice how newly-affianced Uncle Tim is always at his massa's side. VP pick? It's never gonna happen, tom.

Tim and Viv are donald's race cards.

They know opposing it doesn’t mean shit. They just voted FOR it

[QUOTE]I like your positivity but republicans will all line up and vote for whoever the GOP candidate is.

Where did I say "all?" The finfing was that under half would vote for Biden over Trump (not "whoever"). They were Iowa voters.

R107, I don’t agree.

NH has an open primary, unaffiliated voters may vote in either, and since there are more voters registered as unaffiliated in NH than either Republican or Democrat.

Since there was no real top of ticket contest for the Democratic nomination, it’s a pretty sure bet that most of all of unaffiliateds who voted chose the Republican ballot.

It’s likely many of those Haley voters will not vote for Trump in the general.

There's nothing a guy like Trump hates more than a woman who doesn't do as she's told.

"One thing is clear from Trump's speech tonight: he is furious that Nikki Haley is staying in the race. Quite different from his speech after Iowa. "I don't get too angry, I get even," Trump says tonight."

I hope she stays in and starts narrating his criminal trials.

Nimbra, involved in illegalities? Well... Orange Jesus would know, wouldn't he? I'll bet the file he has on her is thicker than his mushroom is long.

"Trump threatens that if Nikki Haley doesn't drop out, she'll end up under investigation for "stuff she doesn't want to talk about""

What a clownshow!

If he’s attacking her, clearly he is afraid of her.

SC is an open primary state, no Democratic contest, a surprise may yet be in store with some very "unlikely" voters.

Did Georgie get to speak too?

If I were here, I would stay in. Trump will likely be convicted in the J6 case before August. Maybe I’ll send her a donation.

Agree, she might as well stay in. Kochs have the bankroll and she has nothing else to do anyway.

Dump's base maxes out at 35%. That's all he'll get in the general election. Biden needs to turn out Dems voters to beat that.

She needs to keep reminding everyone that she polls better against Biden than Trump does. Plus we want her to peel off women and moderates from Dump.

Miss Lindsey needs to keep the $ flowing so that she can keep her butt buttered, R83.

Go Nikki go. Kick him in the nuts.

[quote] If I were here, I would stay in. Trump will likely be convicted in the J6 case before August.

That may increase his support and the intensity of it. The prosecutions are what will have given him the nomination. A conviction may give him the White House,

No. A conviction brings his support down. There is a ton of polling in this. He’s not gaining cult members.

[quote] A conviction may give him the White House

Nope. Not a chance. He will lose badly.

Republicans in disarray!

Her "mental competency" attacks that she's ramped up over the past week or so are really making a difference. Everyone knows that both Biden AND Trump are too old. Nobody wants an 80 year old running anything, let alone the country.

Grampa Biden isn't going to win this time. We are in for a very bad four years.

Your reasoning, R134?

Has the Stalking Horse Troll™ entered the chat yet to tell us how this is all an elaborate scheme where Trump will graciously drop out of the race for Nikki after it's too late for Democrats to replace Biden (who received 70% of the votes without even being on the ballot)?

If Dump becomes the nominee, it's possible Haley might run as an Independent. Or maybe Liz Cheney will jump in to ruin Trump.

41 min ago Haley aide reacts to Trump's speech: "Weird, nasty and angry" From CNN's Kasie Hunt

Nikki Haley allies are casting Donald Trump’s attacks on her in his speech tonight as bolstering her case and likely to generate more support for her decision to stay in the nomination fight.

A Haley aide called the speech “weird, nasty and angry,” and an outside ally called it “a huge gift to us.”

Trump spent the start of his victory speech venting his anger at Haley.

“She's doing a speech like she won. She didn't win. She lost,” Trump said.

“All grievance, no leadership,” the Haley aide said.

R128. THIS IS THEATRE

She is saying this because she knows she is the nominee. Trump has agreed to this. He cannot attack her because the most powerful people in the world are backing her. He has sold out his followers to the establishment. Everything you are seeing has been written, scripted, and focus grouped. The only part of it that is real is Trump’s health because I honestly believe he may not make it through the year. He just wants his pardon and his bills paid so he can expire at Mar a Lago.

"BIDEN is losing and especially losing the Electoral College states he needs to win"---------(Trump hater) Steve Schmidt on Scripps News tonight. Also pointed out that the Obamas are crickets over Biden.

R135, because r134 is a Troll.

It's a simple opinion for simple people.

It's tantamount to I like Blue.

R134 Boris is here. Fuck off to shithole Mother Russia.

Steve Schmidt said that, R140? The same Steve Schmidt that has a grifting interest in Dean Phillips campaign? The one who unleashed Sarah Palin on us? Biden is losing states he needs to win? States like Pennsylvania?

Strange. Because this Susquehanna poll released today says something different.

Steve Schmidt eats old people's excrement, straight out of their assholes.

Also, Trump has Kompromat on Haley and will release it. Do the Kochs want their girl ruined for 2024 and 2028, too?

"Trump: Haley would be under investigation by those people in 15 minutes, and I could tell you five reasons why already. Not big reasons, little stuff she doesn't want to talk about and would Ron have been"

R165 I’m here!

Do you like this one?

I call it “The Maharashtrian Candidate.”

Please no one wake the Trump is a Stalking Horse Troll. It's obviously a bipolar off it's meds. It's probably frantically typing + copying + pasting onto multiple websites at the moment. It's in its manic cycle where it goes days without sleep so it will get here before too long. Unfortunately.

STEVE SCHMIDT IS NOT YOUR ALLY.

STEVE SCHMIDT KNOWS WHAT THEY ARE DOING. HE WANTS A HALEY PRESIDENCY MORE THAN ANYONE.

"A conviction may give him the White House"

Yes, it's too bad that Charles Manson and John Wayne Gacy aren't still around, they'd be an unstoppable Republican ticket 🙄

Nobody with a brain would vote for Trump. People have been poisoned somehow to bring about this result.

So, he knows people committed crimes and is not telling the police? Not very law and order.

VRWC

"For a little bit of money."

A sprinkling of posts throughout this thread are invisible to me. Must be the Nikki Haley troll going down with the ship.

Glub, glub, glub.

^ Who?

R153 that’s amusing because I wanted to do this scene from Titanic except the purser is Joe Biden.

[quote] Grampa Biden isn't going to win this time. We are in for a very bad four years.

🙄 Ha! No, tRump will, in fact, lose yet again. If any of his criminal trials result in convictions before the November election, his loss will be even greater. Oh, a conviction or two may harden his MAGAt support, but there are not enough of them for Cheatolini to steal another election. A majority of voters do not want this POS back in the WH and they sure as hell will not vote to allow an indicted defendant or a convicted felon to weasel his way back in.

As it has become more readily apparent that the general election will be a repeat contest between Joe Biden and tRump, polls in swing states like Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin will begin trending towards Biden, as they began to do over the last few weeks. As many news outlets were reporting today, consumer confidence is on the way up. Gas prices and egg prices are down and people feel more hopeful about the economy. Yes, they may prefer younger candidates; Joe is old, but not batshit crazy. Left with these options, they will side with Biden especially if the other choice is tRump who increasingly seems to be losing what little is left of his sanity.

Drumph may have won Iowa and New Hampshire, but there were an awful lot of Repubs in both states who wanted someone else.

[quote] Drumph may have won Iowa and New Hampshire, but there were an awful lot of Repubs in both states who wanted someone else.

R156

They’ll get her.

....

R157, you forgot to use your trademarked phrase "Trump is a Stalking Horse™".

He puts the "dick" in Dixville Notch

R134.

[quote]I like your positivity but republicans will all line up and vote for whoever the GOP candidate is.

A lot of them DIDN'T in 2020. That was one of the reasons that he lost. Think about it. Trump lost the race, but the Republicans gained seats in the House AND would have kept the Senate if not for the two runoff races in Georgia. What does that tell you?

R159

"IJAP"

[quote]A conviction may give him the White House,

No, it won't. Multiple polls have shown that his support decreases with a conviction (though I doubt that anyone will care about the Stormy Daniels case). 31% of polled Republican voters in the Iowa caucus said that they would not vote for him if he were convicted in any of his cases. MAGAworld will vote for him no matter what, but they're not enough for him to win.

R159.

R153 R159.

republican success in the Senate has to be taken with a grain of salt. Democrats regularly rack of victory margins in the millions in the Senate races but have to bow to small states like Wyoming, where th collective IQ couldn't couldn't wipe its own ass without help.

R167 Democrats always say this as if massive states like Texas and Florida don’t exist.

Texas is only red due to vote fraud.

That 44% of NH Republicans voted against Trump — they weren't voting for Nimrata — should be sending shockwaves through Trump HQ but they aren't bright enough to get it. Polling showed that about 40% of the people voting for Haley would instead vote for Biden if Trump gets the nom. If that holds (and I have no expectation it will because a month in this cycle might as well be a year), it's over for Trump and he's off to prison where he belongs.

That said, we have to fight like we're down by 10 because the Dems have to win by about 10 points for the Republicans to not steal it (see: 2000, 2016).

But all in all, today was a good day.

Tuesday Night Live:

35-year-old former Congressman Santos not interested in return to politics as Trump's running mate.

Yes, r169.

Paxton said as much, quite publicly bragging about his voter suppression tactics.

I am a Hillary Voter. Believe me...I know a November Loss is coming. Even Obama knows Grampa is going to lose.

r173 If Dems can stop shitting on each other for five minutes like you just did there, Biden wins.

When did ‘grandpa’ become a pejorative? My grandpa was strong, warm and loving. I loved my grandpa. What is Trump? Do any of his children have kids? When I see and hear him, I don’t think ‘strongman’, I just think ‘psychopath’.

@r173, Despite your stupid comment that's a pretty good article. Obama is a pretty smart guy and just the person Biden should be taking advice from. Trump works in a vacuum and takes advice from no one

"Even Obama knows Grampa is going to lose. "

Yep, Grampa Trump is toast

[quote] That 44% of NH Republicans voted against Trump — they weren't voting for Nimrata — should be sending shockwaves through Trump HQ but they aren't bright enough to get it.

No, they ARE! He’s not running! This is fixed! He sold out his followers so he could stay out of jail!

And for a little bit of money!

That black fag from South Carolina with the big gums who was standing behind a half-dead Trump at his victory speech was playing to the rafters! They know!

It appears 5 of the 6 Haley voters were Biden voters in 2020. Kind of muddles her showing.

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Those two sentences run through an AI directed to be bombastic.

The results are in, and it seems a nefarious plot is afoot! Five of the six Haley voters were Biden backers just two years ago. This shocking turn of events throws her supposed support into disarray. What trickery is this? These fair-weather friends have abandoned their former ally, betraying the trust placed in them. Haley's tally is left in tatters, her prospects uncertain. How could this have happened? What skullduggery transformed steadfast Democrats into fickle turncoats? The numbers tell a sordid tale of disloyalty and deception most foul. This mercurial mob has shaken Haley's standing, their defection a dastardly blow. Will anyone uncover the truth behind this electoral escapade? The quest for answers begins!

She and DeRonda should have relentlessly and viciously attacked Trump at all the Repug debates, as if he was on the stage with them. But they didn't. Fatal flaw.

[quote] That 44% of NH Republicans voted against Trump — they weren't voting for Nimrata — should be sending shockwaves through Trump HQ but they aren't bright enough to get it. Polling showed that about 40% of the people voting for Haley would instead vote for Biden if Trump gets the nom. If that holds (and I have no expectation it will because a month in this cycle might as well be a year), it's over for Trump and he's off to prison where he belongs.

This is what pisses me off the most

People like r170 ARE GETTING IT

They are saying everything I am saying except the last little stretch because we have been brainwashed to trust our civic institutions so much

What did Hillary Clinton say when she lost the election? Who is she talking about? Who is they? The fates? The liberal media?

What has Hillary herself said torpedoed her Presidential campaign in its final days?

[italic]James Comey and the FBI.[/quote]

And instead of pointing their fingers and screaming J’ACCUSE from the top of their lungs moronic liberals spent the next four years restoring his reputation. They spent the next two years building up Robert Mueller as some kind of Avenger only for him to let Trump off. These are grown adults who have the childlike logic of Scout in To Kill A Mockingbird asking her teacher why the government doesn’t arrest Hitler.

Sorry.[/italic]

44% of republicans in NH did not vote against trump. Trump dominated the gop voters. Haley held her own with independent's who were able to vote for her, the largest voting block in NH are the undeclared, and many of them are Dems.

And the voters for Haley when surveyed were real soft in their support for her. Trumps voters were full on MAGA.

This all kind of seems mute to me, because by the election, if Trump is even allowed to run, he'll be facing a 20 year jail sentence and just won't have the time to play dictator

Build a bridge and get over it R180. Hillary was almost a decade ago. Move on.

Dump is never going to jail R183. It sounds satisfying but it's never going to actually happen.

[quote]This all kind of seems mute to me

What?

@r185 He's also never going to be President again still making this all mute

^ *moot*

[quote]He's also never going to be President again still making this all mute.

I wish that Trump would be permanently muted.

“THEY OWN THE POLICE!”

Just look at one aspect of this clown show. Trump will never get security clearance. How can you have a president who can't look at Top Secret papers, because he steals them?

Does anyone else see the total absurdity in all this?

R183 / R185 you are GETTING IT. Just use 10% more of your brain. Maybe even 5% more. The finish line is in sight.

R191 YES!

[quote]That 44% of NH Republicans voted against Trump — they weren't voting for Nimrata — should be sending shockwaves through Trump HQ

"Shockwaves" are for something unexpected. The results were completely expected, so no shockwaves. No offense, but they know politics better than you.

Some high ranking member of the deep state needs to go to the Supreme Court and lay it out for them, "Look, either you stop this madman NOW or we start picking you off one by one, your choice"

I have been saying this for two weeks because none of it made sense until it made sense.

Trump is not running for president. He has sold out his followers for a pardon and for a little bit of money. He has agreed to stay in the race to keep Joe Biden in the election because Joe Biden is obsessed with being democracy’s savior from Trump (there are no angels in America.) The powerful people who control the Republican Party - not politicians - rich, powerful people - gave him this option with no alternative. Trump accepted it because he has no alternative. He is sick.

Nikki Haley has been selected to be the candidate to face Biden because she will appeal to the moderates and independents necessary to win the election, and to millennials disillusioned with the state of the country. The 55% of people who did not vote for Haley will fall into line behind her because Trump will tell them to. He has to or no pardon, no money.

Obama is not telling Biden to beef up his campaign. Obama is telling Biden to drop out before it’s too late so the Democrats can find a candidate that blunts Haley’s advantages over Biden, mainly that she’s not half-dust. The longer Biden waits to drop out, the more chaos a Democratic primary will be, like in 1968.

They know. They all know. Gavin Newsom knew months ago which is why he began those theatrics.

R191

Yes LOL Trump will never apply for then get a top secret. Never ever. Nor does any other president but as someone said in another thread that is a mute point.

R196

Oh god make the stupidity and insanity stop. But there is no stop the silliness and stupid continues over and over again. The Dems can sure crank out MAGA level stupid.

Democrats on here have been crowing for eight years that Russian boogeyman have KOMPROMAT on Trump. It’s not the Russian oligarchs. It’s the American oligarchs. They are the ones who have the Kompromat on Trump, to make him do what they want. The Kompromat is to stay out of jail. Only a Haley victory which is guaranteed against Biden would do that. Plus money. Money is always a good Kompromat.

A little bit of money.

R198 then mute me you goddamn fool. You would have done it already except for

A) you are so old you haven’t realized with the orange button with the little no slash is for

B) a little part of you knows I may be right

R199

Where do you do your stand up. I’d love to catch your act.

“Yes folks trump is running just to make Haley the nominee.”

What a great opening

Hillary Clinton whom you all used to worship like she was Patti Lupone at Marie’s Crisis said everything I am saying. She said it out loud for everybody to hear.

“This is a vast right-wing conspiracy.”

“They were never going to let me be President,”

R201 “DYING MAN RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT MAY HAVE ULTERIOR MOTIVE.”

Mute me, you fucking bitch. Go ahead. Do it.

@r198, "The Dems can sure crank out MAGA level stupid."

Glad you understand where the bar is set 🤨

R203

This is not a Biden thread

God, you guys, isn't it a little early for this kind of fruitcake theory party 🤪

^ It's noon in Russia

R189 give it a couple will you

See look at this idiot. He is saying out loud what is going on, but when you say it back to him, he doesn’t get it.

The Boris’ have entered the thread.

STFU

Biden will whip Trump’s ass. Biden will whip Haley’s ass. Trump would SCORCH Republicans if he isn’t the nominee. The maga cult will NOT vote for Haley. They’d stay home, or vote Biden to spite her. Republicans would get wiped out if Haley is the nominee.

Stalking Horse Boris, there's no point by lecturing us here. We can't make Haley or Biden drop out. Either take your meds or text your screeds to Biden on his cell. He's posted the phone number on his account.

If you text it all to the president, you might finally get the response and attention you so desperately crave.

Circling the wagons. Haley won't have any R support.

"RNC Chair Ronna McDaniel urges Haley to get out of the race"

R210 / R211

It must be an election year, they're back...

R210 / R211

R212 now Ronna is actually not one of the ones in on it. She knows, but she’s on the outside. She went against Uncle Mitt, Uncle Mitt is on the inside. Widely hated by even Trumpists, she is just throwing bombs at this point. Her career in politics is over under a Haley presidency. Once Haley is the nominee, Ronna will be forced out.

[QUOTE]RNC Chair Ronna McDaniel

She must hate herself right about now.

Biden/Harris all the way.

"I get that everyone likes how triggered Trump is by Haley…but at the end of the day just over a year ago she called for the deportation of U.S.-born African American Senator Raphael Warnock.

She fully embraced MAGA and they didn’t embrace her back. She deserves zero credit."

R211 why would Haley drop out? She’s going to be President. Hell I’ll probably vote for her (live in a red state, vote wouldn’t count anyway), take a photo, and post it here just to piss you off.

@r217, Why not? Everyone else does

The trump is in the race just to see Haley the nominee poster is the future of the Democratic Party. Very young, very progressive and QAnon level informed.

GOP everywhere should feel optimistic about the future

^ English isn't your first language, is it?

R221 “These young people believe everything! Now, let me tell you about how Vladimir Putin paid young girls to pee on Trump in his suite during the Miss Universe show in Moscow, videotaped it, and is now using it to dictate US foreign policy.”

R222

Don’t the morons ever get tired of this English is not your first language or you must be MAGA if you disagree with the really young progressive's on DL.

Boris says he’ll vote Haley. Ahahahahahahahaha

The Boris’ are frazzled.

[quote] What has Hillary herself said torpedoed her Presidential campaign in its final days? James Comey and the FBI.[/quote]

Look more closely. She blamed pretty much everything she could think of to excuse her failure.

1. James Comey

2. Vladimir Putin

3. Barack Obama

4. The media

17. Wikileaks

6. Jill Stein

7. Sexism

8. White resentment (Never mind she is white)

9. Self-Hating Women

10. Uninformed Voters

11. The Democratic National Committee

12. The Electoral College (The rules for every presidential election since 1789)

13. Anthony Weiner

14. Her 'Basket of Deplorables' Comment

15. Her emails

16. Coal miners

17. . Bernie Sanders

18, Delusional Bernie Bros

She might have added Shakespeare for writing about Lady MacBeth.

@r224, " really young progressive's on DL. "

You're kidding, right? 😂

If Hailey were to be nominated, whatever gains she might have among anti-Trump voters would be negated by the dead-ender MAGAs who would refuse to vote for her.

@r226, " She blamed pretty much everything she could think of to excuse her failure. "

And then she tried to overthrow the government, don't forget that part... Oh, wait 🤔

Haley isn’t going to be nominated. DeSantis had a shot and once Trump trounced him, it was over. I’m impressed by how good the polling is . Trump predicted to win by 11% was right on. That means polls this election year should be taken seriously.

[quote]Trump has agreed to this. He cannot attack her because the most powerful people in the world are backing her.

Guess you didn't listen to his speech last night.

R225

[bold]”Poster who bombards thread with extremely specific American pop culture references continues to be accused of being a Russian agent by poster who fails to understand the difference between the final ‘s’ sound that results from a plural of a noun ending in ‘s’ and the ‘s’ sound that results from the possessive ‘comma-s’, and who also fails to correctly use the comma that would be used in American English to designate the possessive tense of a word ending in s.”

The correct grammar of your sentence would be, “The Borises are frazzled.” You would not use the possessive comma s.

Additionally, the correct usage of the possessive comma on a proper noun ending in s would be comma-s. Eg; Boris’s troll farm. You failed twice.

Also, your subject-verb agreement is unusual. You’re not a native English speaker.[/bold]

Ugh, we have to endure several weeks more of the Nikki Haley troll until she loses big time in South Carolina and drops out.

R233 No sweetie.

You’re going to have to endure eight years of me!

[quote]I am a Hillary Voter. Believe me...I know a November Loss is coming.

If you're a Hillary voter, why do you capitalize like a Trump voter?

I think that between the increasingly ageist and offensive "Trump is a stalking horse" troll and the troll who keeps posting cryptic AI images of space aliens, I find the latter more tedious. Or are they one and the same unmedicated DLer?

Kansas and Ohio proved that whole state pro-abortion initiatives can pass in Red States.

Democrats need to replace John Barasso, Marsha Blackburn, whoever the Republican Senator Replacement for Mike Braun is, Kevin Kramer, Ted Cruz, Deb Fisher, Josh Hawley, whoever is the Republican Replacement for Mitt Romney, Rick Scott, and Roger Wicker in 2024 as the Senators who made the corrupt Supreme Court possible, hence Dobbs, and who also acquitted Trump twice. These Red State Republican Senators are the targets for women and young voters for personal rights, just like Kansas and Ohio were.

This is why Mitch McConnell is so quiet.

Oops, I blocked the alien-obsessive and it turned out he WAS also the "Stalking Horse" theorist! Get help, dude!

@r236, I don't get either one, so I just ignore them

Kansas and Ohio proved that whole state pro-abortion initiatives can pass in Red States.

Democrats need to replace John Barasso, Marsha Blackburn, whoever the Republican Senator Replacement for Mike Braun is, Kevin Kramer, Ted Cruz, Deb Fisher, Josh Hawley, whoever is the Republican Replacement for Mitt Romney, Rick Scott, and Roger Wicker in 2024 as the Senators who made the corrupt Supreme Court possible, hence Dobbs, and who also acquitted Trump twice. These Red State Republican Senators are the targets for women and young voters for personal rights, just like Kansas and Ohio were.

This is why Mitch McConnell is so quiet.

It was not the landslide Turd had hoped for. So instead of addressing the nation about his accomplishments, Big Plans and general Stable Genius characteristics... he makes cryptic threats about 'investigating' people and poking fun of Nikki's dress. With his two minority shoe shiners standing behind him.

R238 you had to BLOCK ME to find that out?

Are you retarded or something?

No wonder you people don’t realize Trump is a stalking horse if you don’t even realize the Trump is a stalking horse poster is the same person posting the Admiral Ackbar images! You’re retarded! I feel so much better now.

[quote]It was not the landslide Turd had hoped for.

Yep.

Awe girl, that stuff is deep fried red meat to his base R241.

Insulting a woman? Threatening people, especially a woman? Debasing people of color, especially men of color?

G-damn. He couldn't have done a better speech for them unless he had his hottie lawyer get her fake titties out and give them a few shakes.

If the GOP is smart they will have no anti abortion laws to be voted on for 2024

If the Dems are smart they will make sure there is a pro abortion or choice law in every state they can for 2024

BUt nObodY lIkEs PeepAw JoE!

"President Biden is on track to win more votes in New Hampshire as a write-in candidate than Barack Obama did when he ran for re-election in 2012 — and Obama ran unopposed and was on the ballot then. @MSNBC"

Proving New Hampshire democratic primary voters are racist

'Former President Donald Trump lashed out at his 2020 White House press secretary Kayleigh McEnany on Tuesday after McEnany advised him to focus on uniting the party, securing independents, and winning the general election instead of attacking Nikki Haley.

Reacting to Haley’s advice in a post on Truth Social, Trump wrote, “I don’t need any advice from RINO Kayleigh McEnany on Fox. Just had a GIANT VICTORY over a badly failing candidate, ‘Birdbrain,’ and she’s telling me what I can do better. Save your advice for Nikki!”'

It’s not that Joe is unpopular with Dems. We love him. But many think he is far too old for the job. Many older folks will agree with that. Many younger folks will agree with that.

There is a difference between being unpopular than thinking the young good looking articulate newsom might be a much better choice.

Do many people really want to see Harris as president?

R232 You're trying too hard, Boris. We'll never stop calling you out.

"If the GOP is smart"

😂

On election nights, I only wanna hear @SteveKornacki

and

Read posts from Poll Troll

Two things from last night

Trump absolutely owns the actual GOP voter. The registered as a GOP voter.

And he will get crushed in the general as long as Joe shows up and does not look like a dead man walking. Of course things could change by next week because bad shit often happens.

Ask H Clinton

R250

dis u?

See at R248 note how he is not actually attacking Haley. He’s siccing his venom on others.

R254 Poor Boris.

Republicans in disarray.

Damn there are chunks of posts missing from this thread. Give it a break. No one is listening to you. See that nice bottle of vodka over there? Doesn’t it look lovely? It’s calling your name, go ahead and indulge!

R256 or maybe

Replace both Biden and Harris for Gavin? Nah.

But I'm sure he'll be front and center for 2028.

[quote] It’s not that Joe is unpopular with Dems. We love him. But many think he is far too old for the job.

The job of improving consumer confidence? Increasing employment? Bolstering national security? Extending health insurance? Avoiding government shutdowns? All in the face of complete intransigence from the Republicans, who have become a total dead weight on the country?

R249 is so very concerned!

R260

Biden vs newsom who wins the dem primary in 2024 if there was a contested primary?

I do not think it’s Joe

R256 could be?

Joe is doing an excellent job, so all Repukes have to work with is the fact that he’s old. It will backfire on them the more Dump is center stage. It’s obvious Dump is very unwell, while Joe keeps hitting home runs. People who think voters are concerned about Joe’s age don’t get it. They will still vote for him, especially if the opponent is Dump.

But there never will be Blanche! There never will be that match-up!

Come back Nikki, come back

Boris is FRAZZLED!

Russia is a shithole country.

No one is buying your BS. This ain't 2016, '20, '22.

Trumps post primary comments about Haley were beyond nasty. Cheap fancy dress and all. She is getting a full dose of Donald’s hate.

R196 is actually an operative for the red string manufacturers alliance, as well as an avid fan of the National 3-dimensional chess league.

R267 of course given the Russia fixation and the futile war

R267 granted they hate the Russians too

Well if Nikki wants to be bankrolled to take the hits just to continue to put Trump's crappy behavior constantly in the newsfeed, and chip away more on the fence and independents...well, I appreciate that.

Well yes but she’s chipping them away for her.

R267 but given that you have no imagination, talk circuitously and appear to do things scripted and by rote

She should use some of that sweet, sweet Koch money and get a chin reduction.

R267 I suppose reverse psychology is too obvious

[quote] Joe is doing an excellent job, so all Repukes have to work with is the fact that he’s old.

That’s likely to be enough, especially if Biden has one or more episodes between now and Election Day.

R241 raises the point that he won by half the margin predicted only a few days earlier.

That she won big-ly among the self-identified independent voters doesn't give him a lot of room to expand.

Post by R246 proves that partisan Democrats like Joe. That's what yesterday proved.

Getting rid of the “Nikki Haley is the next President” troll cleans up things quite nicely.

Somehow DL ate my post, so here it is again.

This morning, the pundits are claiming that Dump has just about sewn up the Repuke nomination. My question is—how??? You’re telling me that it’s all said and done with only about 100,000 total votes cast for this piece of shit? Why does this have to be a horse race that’s called so early?

I know that the candidates have access to high tech polling, so I’m thinking Haley must see some softness in Dump’s numbers, so let it play out, at least until Super Tuesday, before you declare him king of the Repukes.

Because r280 the media is basically evil and corrupts everything.

Did we learn nothing from “Network”?

R279 so I annoyed you that much, but you only decided to block me now?

Hmmm

Seems like someone was rather eager to read what I had to say

I think Nicki is holding on in case something dramatic happens in one of his criminal cases. It’s a very thin sliver of hope. On the one hand it’s insane that this POS is still considered a viable candidate let alone the leading candidate. But, the sycophants in charge of their party have already thrown their lot in with tRump knowing that he’s been indicted in four jurisdictions and is facing 91 felony counts. They have bought into the fiction that these are all the result of “witch-hunts.” He said he will run even if convicted and the rest of these idiots have apparently decided that is OK. Plus he’s not going to be convicted anywhere until after the primaries are mostly over.

Nikki will be president..of the Trump Ass Kisser Club. Soon.

Boris is FRAZZLED and rattled.

There's a sick rumor going around that he's going to select Don, Jr. as VP.

It’s like in The Amazing Race when Phil goes out to see a team, before they have completed the leg, and tells them they have been eliminated from the race. It happens when there’s no point in keeping Phil and the cameramen waiting at the pit stop, and no point in allowing the losing team struggling to finish when they’ve already lost. It makes sense for the RNC and others now to tell Haley that it’s over. There’s no path to victory for her.

No Nikki is holding on because she is going to be the nominee.

R283 See what you are saying “Maybe the courts have something on Trump” goes back to what I said about Democrats having this odd faith in these institutions like law enforcement or the courts, not understanding that they are terminally corrupt. Nikki doesn’t have to have faith in courts when the puppetmasters are in her corner. Why go through the middlemen?

That... actually makes a lot of sense, R285.

The Little Prince attempts an ascension.

R288 I love how stupid people are here!

“Trump isn’t running for President! It’s fixed!” “Shut up you liar!”

“Trump is going to make the son he hates vice president!” “See, now this I believe!”

Oh take your all civil institutions and people are corrupt nonsense to Russia where it is actually true.

[quote]There's a sick rumor going around that he's going to select Don, Jr. as VP.

I thought the VP couldn't be from the same state.

MAGA dead-enders are about 10% of the general electorate. I'm fairly confident most of the rest would be horrified by a Don, Jr. Veep stunt.

(Is he a NY state resident to run with his FL dad?)

Ivanka is a more likely choice.

Bottom line: Of course Trump is going to win the Republican primary, but results show real weakness in the demographics he needs to win a general election. That's why he threw a fit on social media last night. He didn't perform as well as told everyone he would. His reputation with independents will only continue to decline and no Democrat will ever vote for him. He will lose the general national election.

Trump and Nikki will lose the general in a landslide.

He should flee to Russia or Dubai, now.

Over 52,000 of us voted for Biden yesterday to show him our support. He made a thank you announcement.

I can't wait to vote for him again, R297. A vote for him is a vote for Democracy. A vote against fascism. A vote against MAGA. Let's go!

I don’t think Trump wants Kamala 2.0 as his running mate. It would look too much like he’s copying Biden. I think he’ll pick Elise Stefanik, who now has major cred with Jewish billionaires since she screamed at two female college presidents who allowed Palestinian protests on campus. (Even though Stefanik, like Elon Musk, is an antisemite. They both placated Jews by portraying themselves as being the most pro-Israel of non-Jews when they realized their errors of saying out loud what they were actually thinking. And what they were actually thinking was Blood Libel)

Trump is another antisemite who plays the “pro-Israel, therefore I can’t be antisemitic” card.

My husbands rightwing Jewish cousins are such fools. “We hate democrats because they’re pro-Palestinian and anti Israel.”

“Republicans are manipulating you. They are genuinely antisemitic Christian fundamentalists and will eat you alive when the time comes.”

“No!! They love us! It’s certainly not as if they’re a party of rightwing fascists who will kill Jews once they get the chance.”

Oh…honnnnnn-ay!

Junior will be busy when the NY ruling comes down. He'll need to decide which properties will go into receivership.

[quote] Bottom line: Of course Trump is going to win the Republican primary

R290 how adorable you are with your little copy of Alexis de Toqueville

I’ll take your backhanded compliment at face value and compliment your recognition of my adorableness.

Again, r302, seek professional help.

R304 “Oh my God seek professional help! How dare you not tell me what I want to hear!”

I will be so satisfied writing in Admiral Ackbar if Joe Biden is on the ballot

That'll show us, r305.

R245, abortion is on the ballot for every Republican Senator who poisoned the Supreme Court.

McConnell is defending John Barasso, Marsha Blackburn, whoever the Republican Senator Replacement for Mike Braun is, Kevin Kramer, Ted Cruz, Deb Fisher, Josh Hawley, whoever is the Republican Replacement for Mitt Romney, Rick Scott, and Roger Wicker in 2024.

Trump enablers!

If Kansas and Ohio can change their Constitutions, others can get rid of Red State Senators.

It's A Tale of Two Americas.

It was the best of times...

@r299, So fundamentalist Jews are just as dumb as fundamentalist Christians? Interesting 🤔

Anyone who says they will vote for anyone but Biden are Just trolling or are true dimwits. We don't care. We'll win without you. Easily. We won't beg you to vote for Biden. We don't GAF who you vote for.

Again, Biden will win. I'm enthusiastically voting Biden/ Harris. Fantastic economy, fantastic domestic/foreign policy, and pro-democracy.

I love the way the little Russian trolls here keep using the same playbook from 2016 and 2020. We're onto you, Boris. Typical Russian attitude, if something fails keep doing it the same way 😂

How have you been, FCI? Have any good gossip?

Thanks!

Hey senior lesbian,

With Republicans in meltdown, all the gossip is being spilled. Coke orgies! 😂

There's a huge fissure opening up b/w the Squad and normie Democrats. Let's just say the Squad will be much smaller next Congress.

R314 Oh honey.

All the democrats will be much smaller in Congress.

If you ever want to know why the Democrats were devastated in 2024, maybe we can par it down to the time someone coined the term “normie Democrats” like it’s a good thing

Also, forget Admiral Ackbar. I’m writing in Rashida Tlaib.

Use of Russian trolls ... Boris = idiot conspiracy theorist

[quote]If you ever want to know why the Democrats were devastated in 2024

Lol...'nuff said. r315, be here now.

This race isn’t over and you can put on all the self tanner you want. I’ll still be darker.

I believe the reason people are telling Nimrata to drop out is because the next primaries are winner take all delegates.

Up to this point, it’s been proportional. After this, she has ZERO chance of getting any delegates, no matter how close the race is.

Correct me if I’m mistaken.

It is not a huge fissure. It is a normal division between the ideological caucuses within the Democratic Party.

You see, we DO have a Parliamentary Party System cloaked within the two party American System. There is the Progressive Caucus, the Liberal Caucus, The Centrist Caucus, the Black Caucus, the Palestinian Caucus, the Israeli Caucus and on and on.

What FCI is saying is, if I read him properly, is that, because of their strident and aggressive policies, the Palestinian Democratic Caucus, and the Israeli Democratic Caucus will be smaller and that the Democratic Progressive Caucus will shift to, the center, preserving American Democracy.

That is the Normie Fissure, thanks FCI, as I see it. If the "Squad" were practical, they would sideline their strident issues, simply state they support President Biden, and move to being Pro-Democracy this cycle.

They can only move their issues once Biden is reelected.

I'll be so happy to see The Squad replaced with actual Democrats! Bye bitches!

Curious how the hitherto merely eccentric "Trump is a Stallking Horse" troll had a meltdown today and revealed himself as a crazy wingnut.

R315 We don't care.

R320 I think most Democrats, 90%, are normie Democrats. Progressives, of which I consider myself, who want actual progressive and aren't purists hoping for unicorn fantasy policies, are normies. Talib and Omar are radicals. Bush is an idiot. AOC is learning and distancing herself from them.

Boris will still be used. You aren't stopping it by bullying us. If the shoe fits..or the vodka is shit..

[quote]The Dems can sure crank out MAGA level stupid.

Right. Sure they can.

Who is The Squad? Like, two-three people? Compared to the multitude of far right idiots in Congress? The ratio is like 1 to 100.

[quote]What FCI is saying is, if I read him properly, is that, because of their strident and aggressive policies, the Palestinian Democratic Caucus, and the Israeli Democratic Caucus will be smaller and that the Democratic Progressive Caucus will shift to, the center, preserving American Democracy.

This is the opposite of what will happen if there is a Haley landslide. Which I expect.

A Haley landslide will be a mirror image of what happened to the Republican Party following the Obama landslide in 2008. What emerged because of the Obama landslide was a repudiation of the establishment policies of George W Bush which began its fomenting in the form of the Tea Party and reached its apotheosis in Trumpism. The Tea Party had nothing to do with taxes but was an attempt to ideologically break from the “establishment consensus” of the prevailing administration. This saw the repudiation of many centrist to mainstream conservatives (eg Arlen Spector) who were primaried or pushed out in favor outright reactionarianism.

A mirror image of this on the Democratic Party side will be less ideologically grounded and more generationally grounded. As has been commented frequently, the Democratic Party appears to lack significant leadership among Generation X. Even Kamala Harris is technically a baby boomer. What will happen will be an all-out war on older leadership. To paraphrase Jack Weinberg, “Don’t Trust Anyone Over Fifty.” With the Generation Z and Millennials comprising an enormous block of voters from 18 to 45, older leadership - and allies of older leadership (sorry Secretary Pete) - will be purged. People like Nancy Pelosi and Joe Biden will be vilified. Joe Biden will be detested post-Presidency more than any other Democrat than Lyndon Johnson (Carter was hated following his loss but because of his youth, and his commitment to a modern day Christian/socialist Utopianism, was able to repair his reputation and is practically a Democratic Saint. Joe Biden, like Lyndon Johnson, will not have that luxury).

The ideological balance of incoming freshman Congressman and Senators will be eclectic. But, just like the Tea Party, it will also be ANGRY. If you do not like the Squad now, you may want to consider a move to Canada. It will be nothing compared to the freshman of 2026.

Several ideological fissures will immediately present themselves. The first one will be a major repudiation of consensus Democratic orthodoxy on international affairs, which, like the Republican fissures of 2020, will focus on international commitment. The biggest fissure will be over Israel. Israel will be to Democrats what Iraq was to 2010 Republicans. The newcomers will articulate positions on Israel which will not have been spoken in Congress ever in American history. There will be a big push to cut aid to Israel. Freshmen will call Israel an apartheid state.

(Continued)

This will have an immediate effect on a longstanding source of Democratic fundraising and a friendly bully pulpit - Hollywood and legacy media (The Times, et al.) Hollywood will be shellshocked by the lurch to the left and you will begin to see a trend which has already been quietly happening… the migration of prominent Democratic fundraisers toward Republicans who are willing to speak their language. The most prominent example would be of course former Clinton surrogate Katy Perry’s endorsement of Rick Caruso. Now I want to also point out something else - I do not expect the Haley administration to be as pro-Israel as either the Biden or Trump administration. But it will be more circumspect as they try to eagerly tap a new source of funds but also quell the now prominent nativist/anti-interventionist wing of the Republican Party. Haley herself, certainly cognizant of the disaster caused by the partition of India, may take a more diplomatic approach to Levant affairs while still essentially maintaining a pro-Israel position.

The availability of new funds and now friendly media allies will assist Haley with an easy reelection in 2028. And that, as Obama’s reelection did to the Republicans in 2012, will prompt an even angrier and more emboldened radical fringe.

I will also point out the laissez-faire economic policies enacted by the Haley administration will have a noticeable effect on income inequality. And, like the Republican Party, once the affluent party now dominated (but not run) by the working class, the Democratic Party, now dominated by a professional bourgeoisie - will begin to realign itself along two nice little words that began to surface in 2016 -

Democratic Socialism.

Like how Barry Goldwater’s campaign in 1964 paved the way for Reagan and Reaganism’s triumph in 1980; Bernie Sanders’ campaign in 2016 will have paved the way for the ascendancy of Democratic Socialism in 2032.

And that, my friend, is what preserving Democracy in America will mean in 2032.

R307 And Senate races are statewide, so there's no gerrymandering. Of your list, I'd most like to see Ted Cruz and Josh Hawley lose. They are especially loathsome creatures.

[quote]if there is a Haley landslide. Which I expect.

Big IF.

r327 r328 Still a Berner?

Haley landslide? Is she going skiing?

r329 Put Marsha Blackburn and Rick Scott in the loathsome category, but they are loathsome because they are known nationally as assholes.

I want the women voters in the quiet asshole states to raise their votes, like women in Kansas and Ohio, and remove John Barasso, Kevin Kramer, Deb Fisher, and Roger Wicker.

They are the quiet asshole Trump enablers who could have saved us from another Trump Campaign had they voted to remove him on the SECOND IMPEACHMENT. The quiet asshole enablers who poisoned the Supreme Court. The quiet assholes whose reelections McConnell does not want to jeopardize. The quiet assholes who do not think that Abortion and Global Boiling are on their ballots.

THEY ARE WRONG

R330 Oddly enough, although I voted for him in 2020, I did not support him in 2016. I felt, as did many people who are fundamentally sympathetic to socialist ideology who identify predominantly as liberal, that Sanders’ campaign was simply too quixotic, the odd devotion of the youth to this grandfather figure irrational. I supported Hillary Clinton, I donated money to her, I canvassed for her and I was devastated by her loss.

Following Trump’s ascendency, I understood that Clinton’s loss had little to do with the weakness of her candidacy but with a fundamental change in American democracy that was born out of the financial crisis in 2008 - the arrival of late-stage capitalism. Obama’s election in 2008 was merely the first symptom of a pattern that will establish itself for the rest of the century - the extreme pivot in ideology between an increasingly polarized electorate. Incoming Presidents will tend to almost always be “change” candidates and will represent attempts to break from the past with an unorthodox candidate - Obama, an untested Black Senator from Chicago, repudiating the dynasty alternating between Clinton and Bushes and a New Democratic leadership which overlooked and vilified cities; Trump, a break from the sun-belt Republican orthodoxy that began with Reagan (Reagan -California; Bush I & II, Texas, McCain, Arizona; Romney, Utah more or less) which took advantage of grievance mongering without throwing them red meat.

You see, the reason why Joe Biden - nor Trump - cannot win in 2024 is because democracy no longer works that way. Biden’s elevation was merely an aberration of Trump’s incompetence and the COVID pandemic. But democracy- for the remainder of the century- will no longer offer the opportunity to “step back.” It will pivot, forward, and violently from pole to pole.

Which is why Nikki Haley will be ascendant in 2024, because she will be sold as a solution, buoyed by her novelty as a woman and an Asian, that has not been tried yet.

R327 and r328 No, no.

JFC you’re so off you might as well be on Pluto.

R334

No comment.

I’ll have to add a ahahahahahahahahahahah to Nikki landslide. I agree, she must be going skying because she’ll never get near the WH.

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Dear Mr. Khrushchev @ r333, She may be ascendant, but she is going nowhere in 2024.

She will join the Chris Christie pile of Trump realists along with Liz Cheney. Unless she teams with Cheney in the future to reconstruct the Republican Party, her ascendancy is like a bottle rocket. Pffft.

R333 You read through that idiocy? I got halfway and realized it’s just a garden variety troll. DL gets the trolls in training or else we get the dumbest, dullest, least imaginative trolls on Earth.

Also, FCI, over here. Shhhh.

The Ruski Anti Democracy Bots do not know when to shut up. They also do not paragraph break. They make plenty of low level arguments that would let regular Trump dullards come to simple conclusions. Biden Bad. Democrats Bad, Democracy bad. One that is made, they don't worry.

^meant r337

R339 I was hoping our trolls got better, but sadly they’re even more tragic. They don’t even try.

R337 you can type that with your little hands on your hips all you want. I am simply telling you what is going to happen, and no amount of Democratic Leadership Committee boosting on anonymous internet boards is going to stop it.

Unlike the AIRusski Bots, I understood, FCI. You were missed.

R342 See! Dull, boring.

R343 Thank you!

welcome, but it seems that Olga in HR/Kaliningrad has gotten English-speaking programmers, as their command of the language has improved.

[quote]no amount of Democratic Leadership Committee boosting on anonymous internet boards is going to stop it.

😁

R339 / R343

How’s life above the DMZ

R346 Bright spot!

r348 - There aren't enough F/Fs in a day, FCI. But it isn't like we haven't been here before. Buckle up for at least 10 more months of this.

R349 Buckle up is right! It’s going to get insane!

[quote] Let's just say the Squad will be much smaller next Congress.

Congress and “normie” democrats don’t get to decide who gets reelected. Their constituents decide and they have been getting reelected pretty routinely. The members don’t care about campaign donations because their constituents support them just as strongly as rightwingers support their extremist politicians. Muslim communities will absolutely go to the wall for their candidates, especially now that Jewish billionaires are going around with vendettas to get rid of women of color. People like Bill Ackman are a gift to Muslim politicians from Muslim constituencies. He’s made it all about religion for them.

I don't think it's correct to call R333 (etc. etc. etc. ...) a Russian bot rather than just an overenthusiastic American who has a lot of piecemeal knowledge and a certain amount of ingenuity in crafting millennialist scenarios. How Nikki could surge forward to a victory, let alone a landslide, with all her recorded statements for restricting abortion, cutting Social Security, "don't say gay," etc. remains to be seen—she certainly doesn't bring anything to the table that voters since 2016 have wanted—apart from being younger than Biden. (Vote for an Indian-American woman to replace Biden because he might drop dead and be replaced by a .... oh wait ....

8 years r349.

8 years.

R351 Omar and Talib will lose their primaries. If they don’t they’ll remain outliers in the party.

Lol, r353, you aren't going to last long here...and take your bothsides shit somewhere else. By the way...it's Sean.

[quote]Rachel Maddow makes her living from telling her viewers what they want to hear. She's no different from Shawn Hannity.

The Nikki Haley will win in a landslide troll must be smoking some potent cheeba.

See what i need to point out with the, frankly, autistic obsession with Russia is how much the “orthodox” positions of the Democratic Party and its leadership frighteningly mirror the Republican paranoias of Ronald Reagan’s era.

When Democrats are beginning to sound like Reagan-era Republicans, something is terribly wrong with the Democratic Party. Remember Joe Biden was never a paragon of liberalism. He was never Ted Kennedy, he was never Mario Cuomo. He was Arlen Spector, he was Daniel Moynihan.

Following a Biden defeat in November, the New York Times will begin to interview voters once again. But “this Ohio diner” will become “this campus bookstore” or “this Texas taquiera” or “this Bronx barbershop” as they seek to understand why the Democratic base did not turn out. Perhaps they will be listened to in heeded; or more likely, they will be pooh-poohed, mocked, ridiculed, vilified, chastised, denounced and ignored, if you people are any indication.

R335 I’m sorry I don’t know the correct spelling of Sean Hannity. You see, like many people of my generation, I no longer subscribe to cable. The opiate that Boomers and Xers use (of both political poles) to assuage their misgivings will not have any potency in ten years, maybe even five. So enjoy your ten-minute hate while you can.

R357, and yet it was your fellow conservative, Kevin McCarthy, who said on tape that Putin pays Trump

Yes, r357, what about...?

I assume you're responding to me (instead of yourself), r358. I've *never* had cable so your post isn't applicable to me. You can't spell and you reply to yourself. You aren't batting a thousand.

Look at r358, pretending to be all young and shit.

R358 sure.

See the person at r362 is actually an excellent example of the schism that will fracture the Democratic Party after Nikki Haley’s election- generational warfare.

R362’s side will not win.

R364 boring

It's funny, I blocked one troll on this thread and 30% of the posts disappeared 🤔

Yup, the Nikki troll is tedious beyond measure. Zzzzzz…

So, if I'm following: the powers that be have persuaded Trump to drop out of the race in favor of Haley as long as she pardons him, but, cunningly, not until it's too late for the Democrats to nominate anyone but Biden (so August or September?). Haley and her rightwing-but-less-radical policies will so excite the electorate that she'll win in a landslide and easily hold the White House in 2028 as well. These defeats will cause a traumatic realignment in the Democratic party, resulting in younger voters rejecting the pro-Israel policies and centrist economics of their elders, and finally in 2032, social democracy will sweep into power. Happy days are here again!

This, as if e.g. abortion rights and health care stopped mattering, as if Trump's cult followers would come out for another candidate, and as if the Democrats had no contingency plans for any opponent who isn't Trump. Okay.

[quote]So, if I'm following:

Something like that.

[quote]She's no different from Shawn Hannity.

I never miss his show! He's the best!

^ Sean!

Welcome to Unmedicated Bipolarsvile, R368

Everything but the bloodhounds snappin', r368.

[quote]With Republicans in meltdown, all the gossip is being spilled. Coke orgies!

Is it Matt Gaetz’s turn yet?

You forgot cable TV being the opiate of the masses, comrade, err R368.

(Also I believe words were said against LBJ, one of the greatest Presidents this country has ever had.)

R376 Truman was hated when he left office yet is considered one of the greatest of all time, too.

Forgive me, ElderLez; doubtless the opiate properties of cable tv do figure in our troll's prognostications.

[quote] Over 52,000 of us voted for Biden yesterday

More than that counting those who voted in the republican primary just to mess with Trump.

Reuterx edit poll: Republicans were just half of voters in their own primary

The Nikki Troll is the Stalking Horse Troll is the General Akbar Troll. Put him on ignore and you'll see. He's made over 60 posts in this thread. Clearly off his meds.

Just F/F and Ignore, r380.

Oh, I put him on ignore earlier today R381 when he started that General Akbar nonsense.

48,399 American men died in the jungles of Indochina because of Lyndon Johnson. The amount of Vietnamese men, women and children who died on their own soil was somewhat greater.

Lyndon Johnson sent them to their deaths because of the attitudes exhibited by many of the posters in this thread, like the stupid bitch at r380. The idea that a nefarious foreign influence was behind every decision or policy that you didn’t agree with.

Lyndon Johnson butchered these people because of the domino theory. The United States had very little interest or rationale for invading Vietnam. It was an impoverished country of rice paddies and water buffalo.

Nevertheless, Johnson, who was from Texas, believed in doing the ruling classes’s bidding. And the ruling class from Texas is oil. And Vietnam, although lacking the resource itself, was close enough to one of the big spigots of the globe, Indonesia.

Because the domino theory posited that foreigners were morons who did not deserve the right of self-determination, it was deemed necessary to protect Indonesia and its oil wells because ideas one doesn’t agree with are deemed contagious, like a virus. Because anyone who has an idea you don’t agree with must be sick, right?

So the United States committed atrocities as bad as any the Wermacht did to the Jews to protect the oil wells on the other side of the South China Sea.

In President Eisenhower’s farewell address, he made an extremely peculiar remark where he warned Americans to “beware of the military industrial complex.” Eisenhower was from the army, why would he say something against the army?

Eisenhower’s warning stems from the immense growth of the armed forces - necessary in WWII - and their relationship with private industry a capitalist society. Eisenhower was worried that industry would perpetuate global conflict simply for the opportunity to sell its products.

Following the Cuban Missile Crisis which almost saw the world end over, again, the people of an impoverished tropical foreign land trying to make decisions for themselves, President Kennedy was assassinated in Lyndon Johnson’s home state. Kennedy, and his Soviet counterpart Nikita Khrushchev, were so traumatized by the potential end of the world caused by the Cuban Missile Crisis that they began to reevaluate their nations’ policies in relation to the Cold War. Perhaps there was another way in which two countries with such different ideas could coexist without blowing up the planet.

Because Americans don’t study international history, it is largely unknown that Nikita Khrushchev was pushed out of the ComIntern due to his new views about de-escalating world-ending international conflicts. The United States, with its love for dramatic flair, had a better idea; a gun, a grassy knoll, and a CIA operative named Lee Oswald who could be used as a patsy.

But of course, conspiracies don’t exist, the leadership of the Democratic Party is righteous, good, and always correct, and Lyndon Johnson is one of the greatest Presidents we ever had.

“…for a little bit of money.”

Yeah, r383, because Oliver Stone...

Part 2

Kennedy got us involved in Vietnam, not LBJ who just inherited that mess.

Yeah, r385...no.

R384 I notice as much as I annoy you, as you claim, you refuse to block me.

ElderLez, isn’t there a Mark Wahlberg film you should be watching or something? Clearly you both have similar views on the proper place of the Vietnamese.

The two million strong PKI Communists made their move on Indonesia in 1965. By way of "self determination" the Indonesians struck back killing over a million in two years.

[quote] Because the domino theory posited that foreigners were morons who did not deserve the right of self-determination

Particularly those morons in Laos and Cambodia.

Ah there we go. Somebody defending the Vietnam War. I wasn’t expecting this. Let me make some popcorn.

Boring!

Good lord, huge chunks of posts are missing from this thread. Advice to trolly troll:: Thorazine can be a good thing!

R392 along with that post, I see you have a very distinctive quality in the way you compose sentences and repeat yourself.

When were you diagnosed with autism?

[quote] If Kansas and Ohio can change their Constitutions, others can get rid of Red State Senators.

Ugh. Not this again, R307. The two situations are completely different and not remotely comparable. Overwhelming numbers of voters in Ohio and Kansas voted to restore the right to abortion. That is not the same as a contest between an incumbent Rethug Senator and their Democratic opponent.

They are red states for a reason. Yes, they may have taken a detour on the restoration of Roe protections, but that is not a signal that we’re going to get rid of a whole lot of dreadful, awful, horrible Repuke Senators that easily. The current numbers for Cruz and Hawley indicate that both may be in trouble, but I wouldn’t pin much hope on that. I would love to be very wrong about this, but I don’t think that I am.

R392 you see if underlined the areas where you repeat the same term twice

You are repeating the same terms however what sticks out to me is the words you are choosing to repeat, which are proper nouns and which you are not substituting with pronouns

The words are “Dump” and “Repuke.”

“Dump”, unlike “Trump”, you come down on the hard P. “TruHMp” vs “DuhMPP.”

Similarly, the word “Repub” would be spoken with a soft p and soft b. “REE-pub.” However you have replaced this with your own term “Repuke.” Repuke, if spoken, would sound like “Ree -PYEWK.”

Two hard Ps and a hard K. You are repeating them because you like the sound. This is echolalia, a verbal stereotypy which is one of the most common indicators of autism.

There is also another unusual word you use, “trolly” which is not a word. “Trollish” is a word. You have created the word “trolly” because you like the sound of the double L and the hard e sound of the y. “Troy-LLEEEE”. Hard L, hard E. You are repeating the sound.

But not we are not actually speaking, obviously. But you are speaking in your head, you are hearing the word in your head, and you are repeating it. This is an example of LOOPING THOUGHTS, another aspect of autistic thinking.

DUMP and the REPUKES, DUMP and the REPUKES, you receive pleasure from repeating the consonant sounds in your head. You may not even care about politics.

So, when were you diagnosed with autism.

Also, CHUNKS. You like the hard K sound.

This DLer got 0.2% of the vote.

Similarly, the Boris accusation troll ( I don’t know if you’re the same person, wouldn’t shock me) is only doing it because they like the hard B, O, R, and S sound and they receive stimulation from its repetition.

BOW-RiSsssss. BOW-RiSssssssss.

Echolalia. Autism.

Ugh. Not this again...uh, yes. I believe that 2024 will be the end of the Reagan Revolution, with a major Electoral College swing to Democrats. Rousting out entrenched Republican Senators will be key.

Democrats need to target Red State Senators.

R392 Also that’s why you use MAGAts all the time instead of MAGAs.

MAG-uhz versus Mah-GATZ. You have created political enemies entirely based on echolalia and the stimulation you receive from hard consonants. Your political ideas are so naïve and childlike that you shouldn’t be obsessed with any of this, but you are. You are obsessed with it because looping thoughts have created boogeymen based on hard consonant sounds.

The Boris obsession and the obsession with blocking people (and repeating have blocked people) are consistent with the known link between autism and obsessive compulsive disorder. You have created rules by which your autonomous self needs protection through the establishment of rituals, like a kind of hypochondria.

Example:

(Reads a thought you don’t like)

BOH-Rhissssz Mah-GATZ DuhMPP. BOH-Rhissssz Mah-GATZ DuhMPP. BOH-Rhissssz Mah-GATZ DuhMPP. Repetion of the words protects you from the thought. Obsessive compulsive disorder.

[quote] I believe that 2024 will be the end of the Reagan Revolution, with a major Electoral College swing to Democrats.

R399 Why. Why would you believe this with an incumbent Democratic President having the lowest approval ratings for an incumbent at this point in the election. 2008 was supposed to be the end of the Reagan Revolution. It was not.

There are those who follow politics out of a concern for the world around them and an interest in the sociological patterns that emerge as a result of voting. Then there are those who follow it as a substitute for sport. Sporting obsession is a validation of one’s own narcissism based on the arbitrariness of the team they have chosen to root for. You are saying “This is the year we’re going to win the championship” and believing it despite having the last pick in the draft.

Interesting that you’d think the term MAGAt is a sign of echolalia and not intuitively understand what it means for English speakers.

R403 well yes.

MAGAt is a homonym of maggot. Maggots are synonymous with fears of bodily infection. Again, hypochondria.

ElderLez here’s a word with a hard consonant sound ending which you should maybe think about -

Bih-GOTT.

Additionally Mah-GAHTZ bears a striking closeness to the pejorative used to describe gay men - Fah-GAHTZ.

Bears examination.

Additionally the fact that someone describes themselves as an ElderLez and praises Lyndon Johnson goes back to what I said earlier, that the great upcoming schism in the Democratic Party will be generation warfare. People like ElderLez will be vilified and ostracized as they will be blamed for using establishment politics to perpetuate systemic oppression. You will become strangers in the Democratic Party you thought you knew.

R403 Boris is in full meltdown. It must get paid per reply/post, but it’ll be shoved out a window by Putin goons for its boring nature and pure stupidity. I mean, look at it. It’s falling apart. I love it. Each of its posts show we struck a nerve.

R407 Paid. Per. Reply. Post. Putin. Pure. Stupidity. Asperger.

So the Boris troll also posts under the handle FCI. This is useful. Now I can search to see what other linguistic clues are out there.

OMG how autistic are you?

Also you are a female, based on the lack of actually offering opinions as women are socialized not to do that.

Autism spectrum disorder is notoriously underdiagnosed in women, perhaps you don’t even know you have it.

R410 Boris!

And here I thought all this inane weak blocking or reporting of posters because the do not 100% agree with the blocker was just a young thing. Kids who grew up in a bubble.

It’s the intersection of two things: autism spectrum disorder, and also the female need to reinforce their own opinions and punish dissenters (the Karen/dogpiling mentality).

I post on LPSG a lot and nobody behaves like this because there are no women there.

So what can we take away from the New Hampshire primary, which Trump won with a 20 point margin above his nearest competitor in 2016 and which he was projected to win by 20 points this time, but actually won by a 11 point margin?

1) Barring death or another miracle Trump will be the Republican nominee

2) MAGAts won’t vote for Haley.

3) Independents won’t vote for Trump

4) There’s a question mark over the approximately one quarter non-Trumper Republicans and how they’ll break

5) Biden supporters are highly motivated to vote for him even when it is different and unnecessary.

Cogent summary, R416. Thank you.

Also females are more likely to state a grievance than just do anything about. This is the equivalent of women announcing “I’m cold!” in the restaurant while a man would simply ask for a different table or go to get his jacket from the car.

Personally I hope Haley stays in the race until the end triggering Trump’s mommy-issue misogyny and going after his clearly decompensating mental status.

If Trump kicks the bucket this summer I see the Republican Party going with someone who has kept their powder dry and is a white man like Youngkin rather than Haley, but that’s pure speculation on my part.

It’s funny how after the Democrats broke the tradition of having their first sanctioned primary in NH because it’s so incredibly unrepresentative of America, you still have people trying to draw conclusions about the national electorate based on NH results. If you see anyone on this thread do that, you know they have no idea what they’re talking about.

At this point there are two possibilities: he goes before the convention ends, so delegates pick thd nominee; or after they adjourn, up to National Committee (I think?).

R420: this one hinges a lot on (educated) white suburban voters. So, NH is relevant.

Trump's newest rallying cry to his base, the conspiracy theorists, contrarians, the maladjusted, and varied angry conservatives.

He did everything but put in the tiny square mustache.

"Trump is declaring war on America right now."

Exactly r420 these people like the idiot a couple of posts above are drawing conclusions from a bad sample simply to reinforce their own opinions. Then they act disappointed when things don’t go their way, like the crybabies who are upset Greta Gerwig didn’t get a nomination for Barbie and accusing Academy voters of being sexist although a talented female filmmaker from outside Hollywood Justine Trier was nominated.

New Hampshire is overwhelmingly white and small city:rural so it isn’t particularly representative of Democratic majority states, but it is for Republican ones. It’s also the state that “made” Trump a serious candidate in 2016, so it is a good bellwether of his popularity.

Exactly r420. Everyone anointing Dump based on perhaps a total of 100,000 votes shows everything wrong with our election process.

Well trump has come out firing. He went from his nasty attacks on Haley and her cheap fancy dress to threats and attacks against those supporting $$$ Haley going forward. Not welcome in maga world. This is major hard ball :-)

A word to the wise. If you have a really old nominee well past retirement age it may be testing the fates to go on and on about the other sides really old guy dropping dead. We have two that could drop dead tomorrow and no one should be surprised.

Don’t test the fates or they might take a giant bite out of your ass

[quote]this one hinges a lot on (educated) white suburban voters. So, NH is relevant.

Again, this proves that this person is an idiot, because other than an extremely small portion of the southeast corner of the state which constitute the far exurbs of Boston, New Hampshire is not suburban. It is rural. There are no major cities and corporations in New Hampshire. The largest city in New Hampshire is the 256th largest city in the United States. There isn't even a major airport. This is why Democrats favored Nevada and South Carolina which are more representative of important swing states.

Again, people see data and parse it so it favors their bias, however illogical it may be. A rural New England state is suddenly educated and suburban. There are more educated suburban voters in York County, South Carolina (metropolitan Charlotte) than all of New Hampshire. New Hampshire is indicative of nothing except its whiteness, which is probably the motivating factor for projecting positive aspects to it for that poster.

R426 it's theatre.

Uneducated, white and rural are Trump’s base.

[quote] Uneducated, white and rural are Trump’s base.

It’s called the working class, and yes, it’s the GOP’s base.

This may be the most exciting and wacky US presidential election since ……well since darn near forever.

Wrong r430. A lot of the working class are Dems., particularly unions. It’s the stupid ones who live in meth counties that aren’t.

I was about to write what R432 wrote. It's ridiculous to say the working class as a whole is "uneducated, white and rural." No working class in cities and suburbs, which have the majority of the country's population? No working people of color? Don't exaggerate the Republicans' base.

And just like that Reuters has a new poll out showing Trump up by 6 points over Biden.

A lot of Trump’s white, rural and uneducated base are also welfare class, not working.

And I don’t say this in a derogatory way, just as someone who grew up in a white, poor rural area. Those are two very different classes.

Elderlez schooling Boris.

Trumps hardcore maga base is one thing but in this case the entire gop has lined up behind and will vote trump. If you really think those people are all uneducated you are delusional.

Assuming no conviction because then a significant minority say they won’t.

[quote]Uneducated, white and rural are Trump’s base.

WaPo, on Trump's first campaign:

"It's time to bust the myth: Most Trump voters were not working class. During the primaries, Trump supporters were mostly affluent people. His voters weren’t majority working class in the general election, either."

That could certainly be different today, but I know a lot of high-earners that support him - some reluctantly, some wholeheartedly.

“Most Trump voters were not working class” doesn’t negate that the working class is the GOP base. A political “base” doesn’t mean it’s the majority by itself of a politician’s or party’s support.

Yes I believe that, they think Dump is good for business, but they still don’t get it—the economy always does better under Dems, for a lot of reasons. It’s not a coincidence, it’s happened way to much over the past 40-50 years to dismiss it.

But everyone does better under a Democrat. Only they do well under a Republican. They don't want anyone else to do well, R440. They want that gap and they want it to get wider and wider.

If everyone wins, they lose.

[quote]“Most Trump voters were not working class” doesn’t negate that the working class is the GOP base. A political “base” doesn’t mean it’s the majority by itself of a politician’s or party’s support.

Again, the callousness of your elitism shows the rot at the center of "establishment" Democratic policies.

Let me correct your sentence for you.

[quote]"Most Trump voters were not working class” doesn’t negate that the [bold]WHITE[/bold] working class is the GOP base.

R441, I don’t buy that—at least I don’t buy it for a lot of businesses. The two people I know, one owns a restaurant and one owns a gym. They did terrible under recessions, and business is booming now. People with no money make terrible customers.

I think it’s all about taxes, businesses believe they will be taxed more under Dems, and that is the sole reason they don’t support them.

[quote]Uneducated, white and rural are Trump’s base.

[quote] During the primaries, Trump supporters were mostly affluent people

Yes, but the point made by posters above is that Trump's "uneducated, white and rural" base is *not* the same as the working class.

R443, I think there are many Trump voters like your friends, who are still working on the Reaganesque notion that Republicans cut taxes and help small business etc., and who will find out sooner or later that in today's plutocratic world they don't count as affluent or even "business" people—Republican ideology is only for the superrich.

From ex-nees anchor, John Harwood:

"if Trump v Biden represented honest competition between the values and interests of Red and Blue Americas, that would be a lot healthier

but it doesn't

Biden identifies with and seeks to help Trump's base more than Trump does

Trump seeks to help himself by lying to his base"

Cont, John Harwood:

"of course other Republican politicians know this

it's the most obvious thing in the world

but Trump lies effectively enough to crush their careers and even endanger their families

so with a few exceptions like Liz Cheney, they're afraid to try to do anything about it"

So John Harwood believes in the theory that working class people are too stupid to know for themselves what’s best for them, or maybe they are more easily deluded by a slick politician than the elites. Telling working class people that other people know better than they do what’s best for them hasn’t been working as a strategy.

R447, after all the posts above you're still saying that "working class people" and "Trump voters" are coextensive?

R448, I’d instead say that working class people are the GOP base, but I assume there’s a large overlap between the GOP base and Trump voters.

"RNC Moving to Declare Trump Its Presumptive Nominee

An RNC committeeman has submitted the proposal despite Nikki Haley’s vow to stay in the race."

R447, sadly, I believe indeed that much of the working class (and def Dump supporters) don’t have the intelligence and/or are easily deluded. And it isn’t their fault, it’s an education system that doesn’t foster critical thinking and that has let down the less advantaged of our population.

I read an article that said some of the reasons people vote for Trump is that he was a celebrity, that they find him entertaining because they never know what he's going to say next and some just want to burn the world down. I find this very discouraging.

So, R452, maybe part of his base is people at the bottom who don't feel they have a stake in things, and are already so precarious they won't be worse off when the turmoil comes. Or maybe they'll find themselves surprised when they are affected; and maybe they haven't thought about the alternatives.

Our legacy media loves him because he's not boring (like competent Joe Biden) and gets them clicks and viewers. When people are pissed or scared or want to see Libs get owned, they get rating$. When Joe Biden quietly gets shit done, they make less 💰.

I find it astonishing that women are voting for a rapist.

[quote]It’s called the working class, and yes, it’s the GOP’s base.

Well, no, it is the base that Reagan and Republicans created when they sent American jobs overseas.

It is the White Nationalist/Supremacist Base who thought that White Privilege would carry them cradle to grave while all the WOKE minorities gave arms and legs for educations. Sorry, uneducated white people, y'all left YOURSELVES behind. This is a transitional economy, get a union job, get solar installation training, get that GED! Loren Boobert did.

They don't believe the accusations.

Maybe we should make some airbrushed memes about all 30+ of his rape accusations and his adjudicated rape case plus him being besties with Epstein.

Conservatives love learning facts from airbrushed memes!

Conservatives, especially maga, don’t want to learn. They have their grievances and by GOD they’ll lose their lives and livelihoods if a “strong white man” will stick it to those they hate. Spoiler: that list is long and even if you don’t think you’re on it you likely are.

[quote] what it means for English speakers.

Grade school playground level insults.

Wrong R430 it is not the working class. It is the courthouse crowd and the gangster insiders who control rural and exurban America who are Trump's base. The working class has nothing to do with it.

South Carolina primary is taking place today. Where our dear Poll Troll at?

False alarm, it's the Dem primary today! The GOP one is on the 24th.

Nevada on Tuesday next, I think?

Already dropped off my NV ballot for Biden and got a text that it was received.

The only people who cheat in elections in Nevada are Republicans.