I want to move to LA

Texas. K thanks.

[quote] Where do nice, botox-free, non-fake people live?

NYC.

San Fernando Valley is LA but more down to earth.

Go see for yourself and have fun. If you're young even better. Sure things there aren't perfect but find our for yourself. My advice is to spend a few month living out of Airbnbs in different areas while you scope out apartments and before signing a long lease. Never underestimate how bad traffic is. Make that your #1 consideration if you don't wfh. Daily commuting in SoCal almost made me come unglued. Enjoy the sunshine.

[quote] Where do nice, botox-free, non-fake people live?

Lancaster

Are you certain ?

Second St area Long Beach

OP where do you live currently?

Writers with pride don't live in L.A.

@r3, "San Fernando Valley is LA but more down to earth. "

Yeah, right... 🙄

Every person I ever worked with in LA who moved there from outside of California had only one thought in their minds, to get out of California as soon as they possibly could.

OP if you're a loner and have no interest in having any friends you might survive there. People will only act kindly toward you if they think you have something of worth to offer them.

OP, DL is not LA friendly. It's a fun city to hate. I get that. And it's cool. The best thing about LA is that we don't really care what other places think about it. And we can certainly laugh at ourselves.

Oh, I have lived in LA most of my life. Most people in LA don't have botox. And aren't fake. If that is what you're hoping to avoid? It'll be no problem wherever you choose to live in the city.

LA is a lot better than you'd think, but you have to carve out your own version of it to make it work. It doesn't owe you anything and has a way of letting you know that when you think it does.

LA is great if you're very rich

SFV is a large area with diverse neighborhoods. Where do you live, R10?

R13 - fantastic response, and I agree. Everyone makes their heaven or hell wherever they choose to live. That's why it's called "choosing."

LA offers many great benefits, especially the food and the climate -- but there's no getting around the fact that the people are the worst -- all the cliches about Angelinos being shallow, superficial, empty are basically true. Sure, there are some great people here, after all, it's an enormous place. But you have to really, really work to find decent people.

South Bay (Redondo Beach, etc.) is far from the action, but there are friendly people, there. My brother lived there (rented), but got priced out.

R13 How is this different from any other place or life?

There lights are much brighter there. You can forget all your troubles, forget all your cares. But not your cars! But if you can make it there you can make it anywhere. You will wake up in the city that doesn't sleep, if there's not an earthquake and you're buried under a ton of rubble. But don't leave your heart. You'll need it. Think that's it.

LA is an international city, and "people are so shallow" means absolutely nothing in the face of that diversity. More Mexicans that any city outside of Mexico City. More Koreans than any city outside of Seoul. More Armenians than anyplace outside of Armenia. More Salvadorans than any city outside of San Salvador. More Samoans than anyplace outside of Samoa. More Filipinos than anyplace outside of the Philippines. White evangelicals in Glendora. Rich Persians in Beverley Hills. Chinese in Temple City. Hipsters in Silverlake. Young professionals with kids in Mt Washington. Gangs and drugs and TV stars in "the Valley"...

So, LA is many, many things.

I'd look at Echo Park or Highland Park if you want "urban" but nice yards and hills. I'd do Long Beach 2nd st if I wanted old time beach town. I'd do Venice if I wanted to prepare for my month in rehab. So many ways to be human...

Was OP’s article translated from another language? Did anyone edit it?

[quote] LA is an international city, and "people are so shallow" means absolutely nothing in the face of that diversity.

I think they mean “rich people are so shallow.”

I like rich people.

I like the way they live.

I like the way I live when I'm with them.

OP, what is your socio-economic status? It is impossible to find a reasonably-priced home in Los Angeles and the rents are insanity. The cost of living has exploded in the last 10 years. Fake botoxed people will be the least of your concerns unless you have $$$$$...or are exceptionally beautiful.

Why has no one mentioned the traffic yet?

If you're young and have a big trust fund it's Nirvana. For everyone else not so much.

R26, I had an Uber driver shopping on Amazon - while driving down the Hollywood Freeway! I know there was traffic, but WTF? Also, rude Armenian guard at Warner Bros (You guard the Harry Potter displays, get the fuck over yourself). Anyway, very nice to visit, but would not want to live there. I prefer NYC.

Homeless tenements along the freeway. That's new and sad.

As are most places, R14.

Barstow

R18 that's the area I live in, and definitely recommend it. But it's expensive. Our house is paid for; we could not afford to buy it in today's market.

[quote] Why has no one mentioned the traffic yet?

Compared to other major cities, LA traffic is no longer a thing.

[quote] Also, rude Armenian guard at Warner Bros

That is hilarious and such an authentic LA experience

Great mountains of cocaine greatly improve the LA area experience.

R33 I'll have to disagree with you on that one

[quote]I-405, heavily traveled by both commuters and freight haulers along its entire length, is the busiest and most congested freeway in the United States.

Just remember: wherever you go, there you are.

So much to do, like sit in traffic.

It's interesting how LA people frequently will recommend outlying areas that are not part of LA. I guess there is more of "It's all LA vibe" with Socal.

With NYC there is more judgement if someone lives in Jersey, Westchester county or Long Island that they are not a real NYer.

R39 Not sure that's true. Are you an LA native? In my post I recommended Silverlake, Echol Park, Highland Park, the Valley, and Venice, all part of LA. I also mentioned Temple City and Glendora, both of which are closer to downtown LA than Venice or parts of the Valley. The LA metro area is huge, the "city" of LA extended from the interior Valley to the port of LA (between San Pedro and Long Beach). So "not part of LA" is pretty fuzzy... do you mean the city limits, proximity to downtown, or what?

Places like Long Beach that has come up in this thread is a good 25 miles from downtown LA and is not actually part of the city of Los Angeles r40.

San Pedro, port of Los Angeles, is next to Long Beach, and is the city of Los Angeles. The point is when someone challenges "that's not LA" it needs a definition. You are defining LA as "downtown", ok than. El Monte is much, much closer to downtown than West LA or the San Fernando Valley, both part of the city of LA. Very few Angelenos would say that downtown LA is the "only" definition of LA.

[quote] San Fernando Valley is LA but more down to earth.

You really don't want to move to the Valley where that slut Brooke Logan is from.

You'd never be able to live that down. NEVER!

R37 Yes, there's absolutely no difference in any place that you travel. There is no difference between say a concentration camp and a 5 star hotel. You just need to think positive and create your own reality.

This might need some updating, but it's still fairly accurate (imo).

R45; Agreed, It's fairly accurate.

Born and bred New Yorkers will hate El Lay. You have to own a car. In The Big Apple you could walk everywhere.

Today on television, Jason Priestly said the family couldn't get the hell out of LA fast enough. Now happy in Nashville.

Rednecks? In LA?

Who would think Nashville is so great?

He barely mentioned it at 24:00. Is he MAGA?

It's a large collection of suburbs.

Calabasas is not the valley. Burbank, Studio City, Van Nuys, Northridge. When I first moved here I lived in Van Nuys because it was cheaper than WeHo. Once I could, I moved to WeHo just up the street from Mickey's. Then the straight people came and drove us out. Overpaying for real estate and driving up prices. I sold my home for about 4 times what I paid for it and moved to the Fairfax/Melrose area. Close enough but far enough away. If you want to move here, do your research. Check out rents. Any hope of buying a house is going to be a pipe dream now unless you are a Powerball winner. Even shitholes are going for 750K. Yes there is lots to do, but all of it is expensive and requires a car. Car insurance here is very high as well.

Yes, the map at r45 is fairly accurate.

I live in the Ripe for Future Gentrification Area

Are there alot of uninsured motorists?

How is Glendale?

R55, a great place to try Armenian dick

I live in Gays. Been here since '93, so I'm going to die in my rent controlled apartment.

I know a family from Tennessee who did quite well for themselves in LA...

LA is like Detroit. Everything is second-rate, and especially at the high end.

Living in LA is like being in America, but not really.

After much research LA seems like a dump except for Santa Monica.

[quote] How is Glendale?

Heavily Armenian to the point where it feels like a cultural enclave, like Chinatown.

R61 The homeless have figured that out as well. Like everyone else they love the climate.

Here's the deal, the area most people think of "LA" is actual a very small section of the city. It's mainly Hollywood, West Hollywood, Beverly Hills. That's were all the plastic surgery, shallow behavior, wanabes, clebs, social climbers live. Not surprisingly, most of the people there are from somewhere other than California. A lot of Brits lately. They all came to Hollywood to make their fame and fortune and most of them were a-holes before they arrived. You would be hard pressed to meet an actual person born in LA who lives there.

Lots of actors, models, working as waiters, young gays in those areas make it appear that most of the population is young, good looking, healthy but that's a myth. It's a fun place to hang out if you are young and like clubs, people, restaurants, entertainment but with that comes that attitude. Lots of industry types like writers, producers all congregate there because it's close to the work.

If you step out of that tiny section of LA, it's nothing like that. Pasadena, Long Beach, Culver City, Torrance, Palos Verdes parts of the valley like Studio City are nothing like that. Very suburban one story houses, quiet neighborhoods. The vast majority of people in LA HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH HOLLYWOOD. Just like any other large city, there are millions of people living millions of different lives with different types of jobs in hundreds of different industries.

Long Beach is very low key, beach town with a huge gay population if that matters to you. They have their own Pride separate from West Hollywood with over 100,000 attendees each year. It's more racially diverse than other parts of LA. Lower rents and cost of living compared to places like WeHo. People are a lot more friendly. Just stay by the water like Downtown, Belmont Shore, Naples or 2nd street. Steer clear of North LB, it is cheap but ghetto.

[quote] The vast majority of people in LA HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH HOLLYWOOD.

Exactly. It's like thinking everybody in NY is involved in Broadway musicals.

[quote]Born and bred New Yorkers will hate El Lay.

Yet I meet so many New Yorkers who just moved to LA. The common trait is to complain endlessly to everyone how it's not like NY or NJ Yet they never leave. 5 years later they have the balls to call themselves "Cali Natives" to their friends back east.

So glad i left Hell-Lay after living there for four years. 30 minute commute to go 5 miles sucked ass.

I then moved to San Fransisco, not much better but way more picturesque.

I decided that city living was not for me. Moved to Sonoma County. One of the most expensive places to live. So that part isn't great.

But being in a Mediterranean clime is great for gardening. The fire risk sucks though. I don't think i can find a place now that doesn't have a risk of whatever, anymore.

[quote]Places like Long Beach that has come up in this thread is a good 25 miles from downtown LA and is not actually part of the city of Los Angeles

Neither is WeHo. It's technically a separate city with it's own mayor and city council.

I drive from Long Beach to Beverly Hills for work, not that bad of a drive. 45 minutes unless it's during rush hour.

R1 Oh buttercup, they are just less worldly and less liberal. Same shit different day.

R68 With your positive attitude I am sure you'll find happiness.

Some people just hate LA and that's okay. Not everything is for everyone

I love both LA and NYC....there...

The problem with LA is it is a place built for cars. You have to drive everywhere and deal with horrendous traffic and parking trouble.

It's why a lot of NYers judge it, it's supposed to be the rival to NY but it doesn't even feel like a "real city". Thus the joke that LA is just a collection of suburbs.

But great weather, for some people the weather means everything.

R74 - that's the problem I always have in LA. You have to drive everywhere and then there's no parking. The mental calculations of how long it's going to take wherever you want to go out, the cost and the time back - convinced me I would talk myself OUT of enjoying a lot that LA has to offer.

And LA does have an AMAZING amount of things to offer - virtually every comedian, music act, or entertainer of any kind will have gigs there. It's endless. Yes, many are trying out new material for a tour, but it's just overwhelming the names that you see each week and who and what's available to see.

For me, it's the LA vibe that depresses me. A lot of crushed dreams, desperation combined with soo much attitude and looks-obsessed people.

Also, LA fashion is WILD. The clothes that some people wear is so over the top - it borderlines on costumey and very staged and attention seeking. It's frequently laughable. Very different than NYC chic.

It's a great place to visit though.

What about the SoCal vibe? Is it gone?

[quote]What about the SoCal vibe? Is it gone?

Not for me.

[quote] The problem with LA is it is a place built for cars. You have to drive everywhere and deal with horrendous traffic and parking trouble.

This wouldn't be so bad if there weren't horrendous traffic on the freeways, etc.

It Prety much sums up LA. You need a car to go everywhere but everywhere has no parking.

Manhattan Beach has the best of everything SoCal. Avoid it like the plague.

R75 is spot on. I've lived in So Cal my whole life and there are times during the summer when I think, "I should go to the beach." But then you realize it will take you and hour and a half to drive the 30 miles to the beach and you will spend another hour or two trying to find parking. This happens every time I've tried it so I stopped going about 20 years ago.

The freeways have gotten much worse in the past 20 years too. We used to have "rush hour" which was usually the time between 7:30am and 10pm where the freeways were just packed. Then it would ease off a bit in the afternoon only to start up again around 4:30pm. Those days are over. There is traffic on the freeways 24/7 now and it just sucks.

That being said, the weather is usually pretty nice. Last year all the rain was horrible because we simply aren't prepared for that kind of deluge. But it doesn't happen often. Normally, you can sleep with your windows open during the summers (if you live on the second floor or in a safe neighborhood). I like the Fall here best though. It gets breezy and chilly and it's just so nice.

LA was not built for cars. It was built for streetcars.

Well, now we got trains.

R82 Ahem. I am old enough to remember we could take the Red Car from downtown to the beach.

*

Now you can take the E (Gold) Line to the beach. But you still can't get to the airport.

[quote]that's the problem I always have in LA. You have to drive everywhere and then there's no parking. The mental calculations of how long it's going to take wherever you want to go out, the cost and the time back.

I have the same problem with NYC. So many confusing subways, taxi, Uber, Lift, different color lines, narrow over crowded streets, navigating a central hub, crime, dirty seats, dirty hand polls, the mental calculation one has to go through to get in and out of that city is exhausting. And make no mistake, most people except the rich actually live in NYC and can just walk out their door to a restaurant. Most middle-class spend hours commuting on dirty over crowded public transportation just to get to work.

All these NY queens getting their panties in a wad about needing a car in LA. News Flash, almost all cities in the US except for NYC are car centric and have horrible traffic. Ever been to Texas? How about Nevada? Same issues just smaller cities with smaller traffic jams. But you STILL NEED A CAR to get everywhere.

Living in LA for over 30 years now I love my car, the personal freedom it gives me. I can go to the beach or the mountains within 2 hours of each. Not everyone is stuck on a freeway, driving up or down the coast on PCH to work is quite enjoyable with a view of the ocean 90% of the way. I love that I can go from a quite street in Culver to the beach for lunch, downtown for a play and over to Hollywood for the club scene all in the same day. All in the privacy and comfort of my own car, with my own stuff, at whatever time of day I feel like it. That's why everyone buys nice cars if they can afford it. It's not just transpiration, it's part of the experience which can be quite enjoyable.

^ Actually there are still people in Chicago who go their whole lives without owning a car or at least only use them on weekends and you can go from downtown to the airport on a train

Eureka.

Looks very Portlandy r90

No Cal seems refreshing

[quote]All these NY queens getting their panties in a wad about needing a car in LA. . Ever been to Texas? How about Nevada

Therein lies the rub r88. NYers don't compare NY to freaking Nevada, they are comparing it other major global cities like London, Paris, Madrid, Tokyo, Shanghai, etc.

LA is the second major city of America. You would think it would be more like a city. What makes a city is the energy in the streets, seeing all the people walking around going about their day, hopping on trains. When everyone needs to drive that is a completely different suburban type vibe. And you have the problem LA has, as you grow bigger if everyone needs their own car to get around it becomes unsustainable.

There’s so much to do there –Like being in a

FLASH MOB

R88- WRONG 😑

Boston is not car centric

Philadelphia is not car centric

What r93 is saying is that, whereas other cities are predictable clones of each other ("people walking around going about their day." Big wow.), L.A. is unique. That's true.

LA has been gradually urbanizing over the last fifty years. It's interesting in that respect.

Many cities (like Chicago) have tried to intensify their downtown, but few have been able to gradually increase density everywhere as LA has.

I"m guessing this was because intensified downtown LA from the 80s was a huge failure.

I’m in East Hampton. An East coast gay

I’m in NYC and I love visiting LA. I love the driving around, love the beach, the food, the museums, the hiking, etc.

Couldn’t live there for a bunch of boring reasons, but it’s a great place to spend a week or two in. There is such a variety of things to do. And the driving feels like a luxury because I never drive in NY. Listening to my music and driving in a car is a treat 😂

No LA judgment from this NY queen.

Most cities have great and not so great aspects. Nothing is perfect. I love hearing about places from the people who live there, but I’ll never understand the DL nastiness about different cities (NY included).

For R75 & R81

Public transportation use rises significantly in LA over the last decade (except the COVID years). Although 2023 data isn't in yet, there were almost 240 million rides in public transportation in 2022. Take the bus or Metro from East Hollywood to downtown LA - guess what? It's full of people, only not the white middle class of DL.

NYC is the standard? Mmmm. OK. NYC subways are much more problematic than the Paris Metro or the London Tube, does that make NYC less important, desirable, or interesting than those cities?

What LA has, because of its history, is "urban villages"... nodes of living and working and shopping that is distributed, not centralized in one place. Urban planners for decades have been trying to develop this model.

Eureka is MANY hours from any major (or even minor) city. And the sun rarely comes out.

@r103, "What LA has, because of its history, is "urban villages"."

So, like neighborhoods? Wow, LA is just is on the edge of everything, huh?...Little Italy, Germantown, Chinatown, Jewtown, Polishtown, Boys town and many others would like a word 😏

What about...Azusa?

R103 - this, exactly. I have a friends who live in LA who almost never use their cars unless it's for a specific planned outing. They live in busy, walkable hub areas convenient to grocery markets, hardware stores, restaurants, retail, bars, etc. Also, the subway goes to a lot more places than I initially thought, which is pleasantly surprising. A couple of my friends don't even own a car - they rent one for a couple of days if they have out-of-neighborhood needs or mini-trips planned. A few of my friends who live in NYC and SF, drive pretty much everywhere, touting the freedom it gives them. These same people are always bitching about traffic and parking. In San Francisco, they're always looking for garage spaces to rent, which can add an additional $350/mo to their already exorbitant rent. In my opinion, if you're clever and adaptable, you can finesse where you live to your advantage, no matter where you call home.

r97 so true. I remember when I first moved here, Thousand Oaks was too far to go for a hook up. Now people will go to riverside for a Handy!

Move, OP.

Traffic has gone WAY down post Covid. It's very, very noticeable.

Yep, traffic is nothing like it was before Covid. A lot of people who can work remotely have stated remote. LA is more laid back that way. Unlike the entitled CEO's from NYC and SF whining on Linkdin that they are all slackers and need come back to the office so they can micro manage them while working on a computer. It's not how good of a job you do, it's how long you stay in the office that matters to them.

R107 - but that sounds like the issue most people are talking about. You stay just in your area for the most part because it's so difficult to travel around.

I will say that West Hollywood is actually a really livable, walkable and interesting neighborhood. It's an outlier.

But, Silver Lake - there's no 'there' there and it's not walkable. Los Feliz? A couple of intersections, but not a 'neighborhood'.

Step out of your bubble R112. WeHo is the only livable walkable neighborhood? You are talking about a 2 block section of Santa Monica Blvd. Most other neighborhoods have that if not more. Pasadena has a much bigger neighborhood where you can walk around shops and restaurants, as does Westwood, Santa Monica, Venice, Studio City, Long Beach, and Culver city just to mention a few. All much larger than the 1.9 square mile city of West Hollywood.

LA pro and con, this guy has a few videos about it as a former NYC boy.

R113 Exactly... and you could add a bunch of neighborhoods - South Pasadena, San Pedro, Ocean Park, Long Beach... there's a whole neighborhood around La Brea that literally is designed for orthodox Jews to walk ONLY on the sabbath... etc.

I think one part of the cliched critique of "people in LA can never walk" is misunderstanding the geography - it's over 50 miles from Granada Hills to San Pedro; it's 30 miles from the Bronx to Staten Island.

I lived in Valley Village within walking distance of the Transit Center. Would catch the subway form NoHo to beach in Santa Monica be there in about 30 minutes. same with going "over the hill" to Hollywood. The subway is quite workable and they are expanding it regularly.

Valley Village to Santa Monica in 30 mins is a fucking dream versus trying to go over laurel canyon.

Laguna Beach used to be a little piece of paradise for gay men, but too many orange county conservatives moved in.

Orange County cunts ruin everything.

Pasadena was cultured, but I don't think you could really say it is now. It still has the institutions, but....

[quote]Laguna Beach used to be a little piece of paradise for gay men, but too many orange county conservatives moved in.

Yep, Orange County (unlike LA county) became really conservative and Republican. When I first moved to LA I live by Disneyland. There were about 3 or 4 gay bars within a 5 mile radius. Garden Grove Blvd was basically like a little WeHo with more than a dozen gay bars of every type. Dance, drag, country, leather, under 21 etc. Now it's all gone, I think maybe one left. They pushed all the gays out and that's not even a wealthy area. I think that's part of the reason Long Beach which is in LA county is so gay now. It's close enough to OC if you have to go there but has the protection of LA's more progressive stance on protecting LGBT rights. LB had one of the countries first openly gay mayors who is now a Congressman.

North Hollywood, Studio City, and Pomona have had a gay rep too.

I suppose Los Feliz is where most of the class gays live.

You can't have high rise apartments like you do in NYC because it's on a fucking San Andreas fault line and earthquakes happen all the time.

You’re absolutely right r123. That’s why I live in Los Feliz.

Except they do have them on Wlshire

[quote]You can't have high rise apartments like you do in NYC because it's on a fucking San Andreas fault line and earthquakes happen all the time.

Are you really that clueless? That's news to all the structural engineers and architects who have been building high-rises in LA for the past 90 years.

R122, Pomona had a gay reputation?

[quote] When I first moved to LA I live by Disneyland. There were about 3 or 4 gay bars within a 5 mile radius. Garden Grove Blvd was basically like a little WeHo with more than a dozen gay bars of every type. Dance, drag, country, leather, under 21 etc.

R121, what years were those?

I want to leave LA. OP. Let's meet at the airport where we can exchange house keys and cars and then get on with our new lives.

ps - hope you're wealthy with a great car and home...

You can be a star in LA and in New York . I sing about it in my 1977 hit, luckily with these butch dancers as back up.

" More Armenians than anyplace outside of Armenia. More Salvadorans than any city outside of San Salvador. "

Gee, you should be in marketing. Not.

I’ll agree with the posters re traffic post covid, it is quieter everywhere. WFH really is more environmentally sustainable. On that point I’d say that it’s good to live close to where you work if possible. My commute is 15 mins in the morning and 25 on the way home (3 days a week). I rarely encounter frustrating meaningful traffic ever anymore, and on the occasions I do it’s like PTSD to pre covid times when I used to live further from work and have to deal with real traffic.

Secondly, R113 I’m with R112, I agree Weho is imho the most walkable neighborhood in LA. Pasadena is……an outdoor mall filled with furniture stores, it’s not locals going around their day, whereas Weho is. Pasadena also has a whole secondary street system entirely of parking garages to support the strip, which tells you exactly how “walkable” it is. In Weho, a lot of the people you see walking around haven’t driven in a car to get there. And I would say Weho is walkable on Santa Monica and the streets off it from Robertson all the way to La Brea and that’s a lot more than 2 blocks.

None of the areas that you mentioned are really what I would consider to be LA (in a zone 1 sort of way).

Don't forget the swath between Sunset and 3rd, so many stores and restaurants.

WeHo is really the only place you can live that feels like a pleasant, walkable neighborhood in LA with the possible exception of a few places like Santa Monica if you live near Montana or the beach, or Silverlake etc if you happen to live near a commercial street.

LA has so much going for it except one thing: people. Nobody bright or interesting in other parts of the country thinks, gee, I want to move to LA (unless they're in the entertainment industry). The rest move to NYC, Chicago, Boston, DC, Philly, even Austin or Atlanta. LA has the dullest, least interesting people in urban America.

Neil Simon once said: "When it's 100 in New York, it's 72 in Los Angeles. When it's 20 in New York, it's 72 in Los Angeles. However, there are six million interesting people in New York - and 72 in Los Angeles."

So come to LA, enjoy the weather and food, and forget about meeting anyone.

R116, Google Maps says it's 1hr 42min from Valley Village to Santa Monica via public transit...

R129, it was 1984. When the Olympics came to town. I was only 19.

[quote] Weho is imho the most walkable neighborhood in LA. Pasadena is……an outdoor mall filled with furniture stores, it’s not locals going around their day, whereas Weho is. Pasadena also has a whole secondary street system entirely of parking garages to support the strip, which tells you exactly how “walkable” it is. In Weho, a lot of the people you see walking around haven’t driven in a car to get there. And I would say Weho is walkable on Santa Monica and the streets off it from Robertson all the way to La Brea and that’s a lot more than 2 blocks.

West Hollywood surges from a population of about 34,000 in the day to about 65,000 at night. I guarantee most people do drive there. It's filled with furniture stores that no one can afford and other than the PDC there is NO PARKING. That should tell you how congested and difficult it is. No one walks to La Brea from where the bars are, give me a break. It's not any different than Pasadena, or any of the other walkable parts of town mentioned. The only good thing is WeHo is very, very gay.

[quote]None of the areas that you mentioned are really what I would consider to be LA (in a zone 1 sort of way).

Neither is West Hollywood dude, it's not part of LA, it's a separate city with it's own government, similar to Long Beach. You cant even vote for who the Mayor of LA would be because you are not a resident of LA. You sound just like the stereotype that lives there, the world does not exist outside WeHo. Or to put it your way, all the cities mentions are not what YOU would consider LA even though I can assure you the millions that live in those other areas are laughing at your pretentious statement.

LA used to have lots of interesting people.

[quote] West Hollywood surges from a population of about 34,000 in the day to about 65,000 at night. I guarantee most people do drive there. It's filled with furniture stores that no one can afford and other than the PDC there is NO PARKING. That should tell you how congested and difficult it is. No one walks to La Brea from where the bars are, give me a break. It's not any different than Pasadena, or any of the other walkable parts of town mentioned. The only good thing is WeHo is very, very gay.

I’m guessing that 65k figure is weekends, when it’s a nightlife destination? I’m talking about daytime.

The furniture stores (which are mostly on Beverly anyway) don’t attract heavy footfall it’s mostly interior designers and appointment based (I work in the design field so I know). The PDC has been a graveyard the last few times I’ve been, but the stores are still doing business. I wasn’t saying people walk directly from the bars to La Brea, what I meant was all along that stretch there are consistent shops and restaurants uninterrupted so there is a constant pedestrian traffic. With actually functioning pedestrian crossings. It’s much different to Pasadena.

[quote] Neither is West Hollywood dude, it's not part of LA, it's a separate city with it's own government, similar to Long Beach. You cant even vote for who the Mayor of LA would be because you are not a resident of LA. You sound just like the stereotype that lives there, the world does not exist outside WeHo. Or to put it your way, all the cities mentions are not what YOU would consider LA even though I can assure you the millions that live in those other areas are laughing at your pretentious statement.

Yes I know it’s its own city, but its locus is more central to the kind of nebulous ‘centre’ of LA whatever that means, physically and culturally. I don’t live there btw. The other areas he mentioned are on the fringe of where anyone that lives in LA would consider LA. No need to get upset over it lol.

West Hollywood is built on parking tickets.

There is a huge stretch on Melrose pretty much from Highland to Doheny that is walkable with stores/restarurants/cafes that is popular with the social media kids. Similar with Beverly and 3rd Street as well.

Op we are fine. We send our regards. You don’t need to come here.

[quote]There is a huge stretch on Melrose pretty much from Highland to Doheny that is walkable with stores/restarurants/cafes that is popular with the social media kids. Similar with Beverly and 3rd Street as well.

Yep, that's what I am trying to say to the WeHo is the center of the world queen. He just does not get it. WeHo is not the center of LA. Pasadena a fringe? Beverly Hills is not what people thing of LA? WeHo is the cultural center of LA? Um it's all upper class white folk shopping for 4,000 coffee tables, the average house is 2-3 million and it's not even Beverly Hills.

[quote]Where do nice, botox-free, non-fake people live?

Try the suburbs like Torrance.

Does anyone here live in LA and not work in entertainment? How have you experienced LA?

[quote] Yep, that's what I am trying to say to the WeHo is the center of the world queen. He just does not get it. WeHo is not the center of LA. Pasadena a fringe? Beverly Hills is not what people thing of LA? WeHo is the cultural center of LA? Um it's all upper class white folk shopping for 4,000 coffee tables, the average house is 2-3 million and it's not even Beverly Hills.

I never said Weho was the center. And I already said I don’t live there. You’re twisting my words. This is also the first time you mentioned Beverly Hills. Keep track of your own comments and you’d be more credible. I was just saying that Weho is a very walkable neighbourhood, more than any of the ones you mentioned, which it is. It’s the only one of those major strips (Melrose / sunset / Beverly / 3rd) that has crosswalks not at vehicle traffic lights to make pedestrian crossing much easier, and the density of commercial businesses along it is more consistent than the others too. You probably consider Pasadena to be “central LA” because you live in some shithole like Pacoima lol. It’s not that serious.

[quote] Does anyone here live in LA and not work in entertainment? How have you experienced LA?

Yes R147 I work in the design end of the construction industry, LA is great, you can have a very enjoyable life especially if you like the outdoors, and although it does take a while to make good friends (because people are flakey and do move around a lot) it can be a very fulfilling place to live. It definitely misses a few points culturally compared to European cities if that’s what you’re used to, but you can find what you want if you put in the effort.

[quote]Op we are fine. We send our regards. You don’t need to come here.

Translated into DL-Speak: We have sufficient.

Then move to LA, fool.

[quote]You probably consider Pasadena to be “central LA” because you live in some shithole like Pacoima lol. It’s not that serious.

Wrong and wrong. I never said Pasadena was central, what I said is WeHo is not central as you suggest. Pacoima? Them is fighting words. I actually live a lot closer to WeHo than you want to know. And by the way I am also in the design business, probably longer than you were born. When I moved to LA the PDC consisted of one building and it was NOT open to the republic in any shape or form. It's always been a like dystopian mall of furniture.

So back to my point, while I did hang out in West Hollywood through the years and still do some work there every few months, it's never been that great of a walkable town. I have clients in other parts of LA so I can assure you to them it's just some area where the gays live and party. Santa Monica is brutal to cross, it's 4 lanes of traffic just to cross the street. And very loud and very busy. Venice is more walkable, Abbott Kenny is more walkable, and Beverly Hills is more walkable by comparison. None of those have 4 lanes of traffic to cross.

[quote]Abbott Kenny

Oh, dear.

r151, I've lived in West Hollywood since 1993, and never had problems crossing 4 lanes of traffic. I do it all the time from the John Reed gym to Trader Joe's, or to CVS, or to Whole Foods, or to Koonz Hardware.

[quote] what I said is WeHo is not central as you suggest

wtf are you even talking about. I said it was more central to whatever the ‘center’ of LA would mean than the places you mentioned (Westwood, studio city and Pasadena) and sorry babe nobody on the planet is going to disagree with me on that.

[quote] I actually live a lot closer to WeHo than you want to know.

I don’t care where you live. Nobody does.

[quote] And by the way I am also in the design business, probably longer than you were born.

Huh? And so what?

[quote] I have clients in other parts of LA so I can assure you to them it's just some area where the gays live and party.

Again, so what? Why would I care what your clients think? Why do you care what your clients think? What does it being a place that gay people live that would affect its walkability? Were you drunk when you posted this comment bc it’s a whole mess.

[quote] Santa Monica is brutal to cross, it's 4 lanes of traffic just to cross the street.

All of the main commercial thoroughfares in LA are 4 lanes, what’s your point?

[quote] it's (Weho) never been that great of a walkable town.

Let’s look at some data shall we.

[quote] To keep things simple, we’ve restricted the ranking to neighborhoods within Los Angeles city limits. That’s why you won’t see pedestrian-friendly areas like Downtown Long Beach or Downtown Santa Monica here (which score 93 and 91 out of 100, respectively). Nor will you find the entire city of West Hollywood, which managed an impressive score of 91.

Score of 91. That would place it joint 4th on this list of LA’s top 10 walkable neighbourhoods. Can you just drop your weird vendetta now?

R154 is officially TRIGGERED. I guess the truth really got his panties in a wad. The truth is you can see from his vapid posts how most WeHo gays act.

R154 is trapped in the past, that list is from 2017. Things have changed Dear.

After living in LA for 35 years you find it is really a series of small towns. Once you settle into you own town you rarely stray. As I got older only on a special occasions or if had friends visiting would I "go over the hill" and leave cozy Valley Village.

R155 Fuck off. I don’t know if the hoe was you but r154 owned that hoe. Point by point. He read the filthy cunt to filth.

[quote]Where do nice, botox-free, non-fake people live?

Montana.

Botox-free non-fake people? Dont look to R154 for that answers, guarantee he's had work done. Oh but she does not consider Botox actual "work". I probably triggered her again. She sounds like a vapid WeHo aged out wannabe. Probably 40+ still going out to the clubs thinking she still hot even though most of the guys there are half her age.