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So "Mama Rose" Hovick from Gypsy was really a lesbian and a murderer?

From Wiki:

[quote] Rose Thompson married her first husband, Jack Hovick, when she was a teenager. She gave birth to Rose Louise Hovick on January 8, 1911 in Seattle, Washington and her second daughter, Ellen June Hovick, in Vancouver, British Columbia on November 8, 1912.

[quote] Later in their careers, the two daughters adopted their more famous stage names: Gypsy Rose Lee and June Havoc. Rose's drive to create a performing career for her daughters eventually led to the end of her marriage to Jack Hovick, who disagreed with her intentions for the girls. Rose married her second husband, Judson Brennerman, a traveling salesman on May 26, 1916 at the Unitarian church in Seattle, Washington, with Reverend J.D.A. Powers officiating.

[quote] Many years later, Rose ran both a farm in Highland Mills, New York and a boardinghouse, some of whose tenants were lesbians, in a 10-room apartment on the seedy West End Avenue in Manhattan. At some point, a young woman by the name of Genevieve Augustine, who was said to be Mother Rose's lover, allegedly made a pass at the visiting Lee; in a jealous rage, Mother Rose shot the woman dead.

[quote] This incident was explained publicly as a suicide. After the young woman's mother demanded an investigation, a case was opened, but a jury declined to indict. Mother Rose's biographer strongly refutes the notion that Augustine was Rose's lover and doubts Rose's complicity in her death in light of her previous attempts at suicide.

[quote] Karen Abbott's biography of Gypsy Rose Lee refers to two other violent incidents from Thompson Hovick's life. One involved an unidentified "hotel manager" whom Thompson Hovick pushed out a window to his death. She claimed self-defense and was not charged.

[quote] She also tried to shoot Bobby Reed, the young man who eloped with Baby June in 1928, in a police station after cops found him and brought him to the station house. A police officer had told the two to make their peace. Reed approached with his hand extended, and Thompson Hovick withdrew a concealed gun and aimed it at Reed, but the safety was still on, and no bullets were discharged. A policeman tried to hold her, but she broke free and viciously attacked the hapless Reed, punching and scratching him.

[quote] Thompson Hovick reportedly continued demanding money and gifts from her daughters until her death in 1954.

She sounds like a monster!

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by Anonymousreply 14January 21, 2024 4:41 PM

Yep.

by Anonymousreply 1January 15, 2024 11:13 PM

The media trustworthy as ever

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by Anonymousreply 2January 15, 2024 11:14 PM

I always thought "Havoc" was such an odd stage name. First, there's its definition ("widespread destruction"), but also, does it really sound much better than Hovick?

by Anonymousreply 3January 15, 2024 11:39 PM

“Hovick” sounds a bit too “ethnic” for the times.

by Anonymousreply 4January 15, 2024 11:41 PM

She looks like a man in drag in that picture.

by Anonymousreply 5January 15, 2024 11:45 PM

That's Gypsy Rose Lee in the middle, R5.

June is on the left, and Mama Rose is on the right.

by Anonymousreply 6January 15, 2024 11:48 PM

"'Hovick' sounds a bit too 'ethnic' for the times."

But Havoc doesn't? It certainly isn't anywhere near "Smith" or "Jones".

by Anonymousreply 7January 15, 2024 11:49 PM

I always thought Hovick was a Jewish name, but it's actually Norwegian!

by Anonymousreply 8January 17, 2024 12:58 PM

On Theater talk there was a guy who befriended Merman through her daughter who was in a class with him. Would you like to meet my mom? Ok. We'll go see Gypsy tonight. Uh why? My mother is Ethel Merman. That kind of thing. Anyway he got a ride home with of all people Billy Rose. Rose said to him something like you see Rose on the stage? She was far far worse than she is depicted.

by Anonymousreply 9January 17, 2024 1:53 PM

[quote] I always thought Hovick was a Jewish name, but it's actually Norwegian!

And Norwegian Catholic at that

by Anonymousreply 10January 17, 2024 9:11 PM

This explains Ethel Merman and Tyne Daly.

by Anonymousreply 11January 17, 2024 9:13 PM

They should have made Gypsy's tag line: "She liked the taste of blood...in more ways than one!"

by Anonymousreply 12January 18, 2024 12:27 AM

R11 What does?

by Anonymousreply 13January 21, 2024 4:36 PM

Louise had a Louise Brooks look going, but she wasn't as pretty.

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