Conservatorship--I have mixed feelings

What's the problem?

Seriously!

Is that true? I see Jake posting on social media so he must have a phone. If that's true, that's too bad that it's gotten that bad. Bobby is a good guy and loves his kid a lot - he even broke up with Sutton Foster because he didn't want to have her be around while he was still living with him in high school.

I think he's gotten back some of his privileges like a phone. His father adores that kid and was terrified for him.

It's so weird because my friend who's the conservator to our mutual friend is the most loving, supportive guy you'd ever meet, and he has money, so it's not any kind of a cash grab. But our friend is pretty much literally locked in his room in the Brooklyn brownstone he's been put in.

Unless you're old and demented, no one under a certin age should be the prisoner of another adult. If people want to kill themselves with drugs or whatever, it's their choice. They're adults.

It was a lot worse than just naked pictures on Only Fans, btw.

R4 - I also saw that Jake was announced for a big part in the Aaron Hernandez movie. Wonder how that will work.

It was because his father stepped in that Jake is, no doubt, now able to work.

Thank goodness Jake showed those photos, and gave us all hope that he inherited that sizemeat from daddy.

Wasn't. Robert Downey, Jr., under a conservatorship?

Stop overreacting, Dad!

Oh, son, why can't you be more like me?

Free, free, set them free...

Jake's great–grandmother was the lovely and talented Lena Horne.

[quote] Though I think Britney Spears needed help, her father was toxic and used conservatorship as a tool to wield power and control over her, while also using her as a cash cow.

[quote] Unless you're old and demented, no one under a certin age should be the prisoner of another adult. If people want to kill themselves with drugs or whatever, it's their choice. They're adults.

OP and R6, I agree with you on both of these points. I happen to be starting to explore conservatorship for an elderly dad just diagnosed with dementia. We'll know more in a few weeks after CT scan results just how far along he is. I'm looking into alternate living arrangements with more social engagement, assistance and memory care, and I have a meeting already scheduled for early January for us with his estate lawyer to review his plans for this sort of situation. But now that this is something "real" and not some "far off in the future" hypothetical thing that "might" happen, I know he will resist any sort of change whatsoever. A few relatives and I tried a couple years ago to persuade him to move closer to me -- that idea floated like a lead balloon, he got quite heated in a way I haven't seen since I was a misbehaving teen. I don't have siblings, my mom passed several years ago, so it's just me dealing with this. I've have power of attorney in effect since my mom died, but if his dementia is found to still be early, he could be of "sound mind" enough revoke it out of resistance or spite. So I'm starting to find my own lawyer and explore all my options. Even if he resists, I can't turn away from my moral responsibility as his son to get him the care that he requires and protect him from elder abuse/exploitation and other awful things that often befell seniors in cognitive decline.

These situations are dreadful for everyone involved. I wouldn't wish this on anyone, yet so many people face them every day. ❤️

I sympathize, R16. A conservatorship seems perfectly suited for your father, as it's coming from a place of protection by a loved one. I know that in the Cannavale situation, the father also really loves his son, and "tough love" was needed.

With my friend controlling our other friend, I'm disturbed. He keeps him in a room and he's allowed to go no farther than a shrink. I've asked my friend how much longer he feels the need to keep our friend in such a situation, and my friend said, "As long as needed."

I honestly think in the case of this drug addict Cannavale, his father's control and money saved him. If others had that kind of privilege, they would be better off.

Looks like the father was embarrassed by the son, and having an out-of-control kid on social media might affect his career and his wife's. So he clamped down. Doesn't seem like love to me.

I can tell you the son despises his father. There used to be love there, but iron-clad control like that being brought down when you've been used to being free is a rude awakening.

Agree, R19. This is no kind of hero father just because he's hot looking. They both look like trash. I'm not at all surprised by the son's behavior, considering the appearance of the father.

I’m sure he’d rather have a kid who hates him and is alive than one who loved him but is dead. R19, I don’t think he gives a damn about being embarrassed, he loves his kid. It’s too bad, Jake was very talented but fell into the weird music scene and drugs.

That's a father who loves his son, imo.

Considering fentanyl and everything that normal drugs are laced with, locking down your addict loved one makes sense. He might hate you now, but he'll love you later.

This young gentleman is an ironclad example of why conservatorship with a stern, loving parent is essential.

I would like to be owned by a daddy like Bobby Cannavale.

No one has the right to own or control anyone. Autonomy is essential to every human being.

Free Jake!

This so-called father swoops in when th e drug-addled son is out of control.

[quote]It seems like these can be taken to the extreme and become a question of power.

Well, of course, this CAN happen and sometimes does, as you've noted. I think you've answered your own question, so I'm not sure why you bothered to post.

R30, where do you side on the Cannavale situation?

I'm always on the side of the father saving the drug addict son.

Bobby loves his son so much he holds him under house arrest.

I didn't realize how drug addled the son was.

The son pretended to be gay and did fake sex acts for over a hundred grand, until Dad shut the shit down and sent sonny to rehab. End of story. Neither are heroes.

The son is not gay. He baited gay men on Only Fans by pretending to be gay to get drug money.

Rudd had been having a long affair with Scarlett Johansson. Looks like a spawn from her.

Well, I’m very surprised that a casting director would put his kid in a high profile movie given his history. It seems like it’s too soon. Then again, I believe in redemption. Just hope the film has good insurance.

I'm going to have to do some research on conservatorships, because I have no idea exactly how one proves that an adult is so much a danger to themself that they need to have their life completely controlled by another.

R39 The bar is usually very high, for good reason, before a court will rule to put someone under a conservatorship. It often requires a diagnosis of something like dementia / Alzheimer's, or some other documented record that the person is a high risk or danger to him/herself -- e.g., serious addiction, has fallen and broken bones, has been a victim of abuse/exploitation, etc. that demonstrates they are at risk. Absent anything like this which is provable, a court is very unlikely to rule in favor of someone petitioning for conservatorship.

Oh my.

Why did he abruptly quit, someone asked? Because Dad got him under his control, that's why.

That picture is sad. Glad he's out of his own way, and hopefully in rehab.

Good for Dad.

Can I get a conservatorship on Elon Musk, he is clearly being careless with his money?

R43, if only Musk would die from a drug overdose.

I'm personally quite pissed at Daddy Cannavale. You knew that Sonny Jake was headed for gay porn. Damn you, Daddy.

So Bobby is that hot and an actual loving father?

My lust for him is endless.

R38, I'm sure a stint in rehab, regular drug checks and perhaps underwriting of any insurance guarantee by his dad was a big help.

Is this an example of Jake pre-conservatorship or conservatorship?

R46 It just seems like a lot of trouble to go through when actors are a dime a dozen. But glad to know he might be getting his life together.

What's all the performative gay antics about?

R37 who is this Rudd having an affair with ScarJo? Paul Rudd?

Everyone should read the book, "The Retirement Nightmare: How to Save Yourself from Your Heirs and Protectors." The CPS and APS systems are subject to manipulation, too opaque, and in some situations can be described as a racket. I'd love to see the media expose the abuses and prompt an overhaul of the system (a la Geraldo with Willowbrook). Way too easy for a complete stranger to turn an individual into a non-entity, and for this to happen without the individual appearing in court.

"Conservatorship" is mostly a euphemism. It's disinfrancisrment. You might not like what children do but unless there is criminal action involved, it's good that the bar is pretty high when it comes to interfering with their lives. (Obviously, having authority over legal and financial matters for people with dementia is not what we're talking about here.)

He'd got crack pipe burns on his lips.

I noticed that, too, R53. What a waste of a cute guy.

Bobby Cannavale is still making his son work, like Jamie did with Britney.

Jake isn't even good looking.

Conservatorships need to be monitored so there’s no abuse. But some people need help and if it’s done out of real concern .that’s fine. People with dementia, brain damage, mental illness are not able to make good choices.

When you rave that your father molested you?

Jake is mentally ill.

Or the luckiest boy on earth.

In the old days, they'd just give him a lobotomy. Problem solved.

A picture he posted from a few years ago, looking old in an elephant thong and showing what appears to be some gray hair. Is it the toll the substance abuse was taking on him then? I hope they're now keeping him safe from himself. I might do a poll about what people actually think about conservatorship, but some pictures you see make you think it's a good idea.

And those bare feet in that nasty looking dirt and patchy grass.

I don’t think simply having a mental illness and/or being an addict alone is grounds for a conservatorship.

But there are plenty of valid reasons for conservatorship of a non-geriatric person. Making bad choices is everyone’s right, but some people are too impaired to understand the concept of choices. And other people are physically incapable of carrying out their choices without a person legally authorized to assist them.

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[quote]he even broke up with Sutton Foster because he didn't want to have her be around while he was still living with him in high school.

They were her dates for the 2011 Tonys.

And she thanked them both in her acceptance speech.

R66 - It wasn't about the addiction. It was getting serious and she wanted to move in and take the next steps. He felt his son should be comfortable in his own home (while he liked with him) and not have a stranger around. So he ended things with her.

He has a nice cock.

He was fighting his conservatorship.

R67 and the next year he was shacked up with a pregnant Rose Byrne.

The conservatorship was decided when Jake was doing all the gay baiting for money during the pandemic for money for drugs.

Bobby came back from Australia and put a stop to it.

Thankfully, this seems to mostly happen to rich kids with drug problems and juicy assets or inheritances to control. No one would give a crap about “saving” them from drugs otherwise.

Or parents who are famous and have their own reputations to consider, and don't like their kids acting out all over the place doing porn and gay baiting on social media for quick money for drugs, since the reservoir of cash for the drugs dried up from said parents.