Heartstopper

They should fuck

I repeat, they should fuck

Kit could absolutely split him in half

Hot

Nyc Dlers… when would be the best time to book tickets? Opening night?

R5 strongly guess the HS fans will turn out en masse opening night.

R5 Whatever you want. I'm passing on opening night and going a bit later in the run. Expect a lot of fans to go opening though. I'll probably see it more than once.

R5 yes please, same QUESTION, how can you know how long Joe will be there? Is it a month? or more? I need to buy theater and plane tickets please, thank you

R8 Probably until May 5th

R9 oh wow, thank you

Might have filmed hospital or Geoff scenes today

Jenny‘s repost, cute as fuck

Aaron Tveit and Sutton Foster start the 9th of Feb, though Joe starts the 31st of Jan. Not sure who is taking the place of the two leads for 3 weeks since Josh Groban and Annaleigh Ashford leave the 14th of Jan.

R11 Leak the casting

R12 Jenny adores him. That’s insanely sweet. Kizzy also confirming once again joe and Kit are his fav guys

Not the fake lesbian being linked here.

In other almost as exciting Joe news, Lego hasn’t liked either of his last two posts

If anyone wants to bully Alice, she’s apparently doing a Q&A on Tumblr tomorrow.

R17 im tempted tbh

R16 He must be very bitter since he still likes/d his actual ex's posts

R11 screams therapists office to me. Know what that looks like through a friend, of course.

R19 Bash also liked some of his ex's posts before Joe. Looks like Joe the common denominator is Joe

Got to say, Jeremy sharing Joe’s casting news is really exciting to me. He’s obviously talented and respected, but he’s also so connected in tv and film as well. It’s great Joe is friends enough with him share career news not just a birthday post

R22 it’s why I still suspect he, Joe, and Eric have something going longer term. Insanely cool

It's amusing when you remember they most likely met because of Patrick. Patrick is friends with Jeremy's fiance (Patrick took the fiance to the Emmys with them and Joe met the fiance there), and I would guess that Joe met Jeremy through the fiance.

I refuse to give Patrick credit for anything.

R24 Patrick desperately calling Jeremy trying to pitch him on a play centered on imogen

R24 That’s cool

R24 always torn between that and Eric cold approaching Joe and introducing him to Jeremy. Unclear

Who is the hot guy in the fourth pic and is he in the current cast?

I can see more USA HS promo coming up in the future

That’s Jeremy Jordan, no clue who is in the cast.

Wait, I just opened the picture and he’s signing Little Shops Playbills so he’s obviously not in Sweeney Todd, sorry.

Not WATTPAD lol

From Kit's summer interview with Vulture, where he mentions an interest in doing Broadway or Off-Broadway. I wonder if he and Joe knew about Sweeney Todd as early as that NYC trip in June:

"While in New York, he has plans to catch a bunch of theater with Locke, eagerly soliciting my suggestions and noting that they have plans to see Jodie Comer, who got started in British teen TV, starring in her Tony-winning role in Prima Facie."

R34 Joe would have at least been in talks then, surely?

R34 I doubt they would have known then. They were doing callbacks in early Oct according to gossip. Gaten Matarazzo left because the strike ended, actually stayed longer than originally planned because of them.

Brady liked Joe's post

R36 Brady is so sweet about Joe tbh. Kit’s team are really supportive of Joe.

Maisie Peters and Samuel Small AKA Bash friends? liked Joe's post too

Maybe naive but I thought Bash would like the post.

R39 I laughed. Yes, you are very naïve. It's cute.

Just as a side note, some of the actors I know (community theatre) never talk about a role they are auditioning for unless it falls through or they get it. Actors tend to keep that knowledge private. Could be to limit competition among friend groups, could be caution or not getting their hopes up, could be superstitious, whatever. Once the role has been cast, they may talk about it then, but not before. Even the closest of friends will keep that stuff private.

R38 I think Samual is also pretty good mates with kit, yeah? Regardless it’s nice professional behaviour from them!

Is the Most account just trying to be down with the kids or is something actually happening on Friday UK time?

Not even pretending they actually care about Joe

R44 Good luck with that. They wouldn't go to opening night to begin with.

R44 I rarely say this about people her age but she’s irredeemably a piece of shit sadly. Homophobic, dumb, and no interest in improving either.

R38 Joe was a maisie fanboy long before she met bash and before the success of her current album so shed suck if she cut him off. Samuel seems pleasant and professional.

R46 Insulting a kid over an actor you don't even know. Weirdos left and right in this thread.

R34 I think it’s later which (sorry to beat a dead horse) also tracks with Joe having something in the works with Eric and Jeremy that’s separate and longer term. His trip with Lucy checks out

Fraulein we know you are all trying to pivot a Broadway role versus a minor BBC 3 role into a failure for Joe and a success for bash. I can’t see how you’re trying but I admire the effort

R49 Broadway at 20 is not the best for someone who is starting his career. Joe already has anxiety about his social media performance. What do you think will happen when all of this dies down and he's not booking things for months? Being an actor or a successful actor is difficult. There are periods of no activity and Joe has never tasted the reality of this. He doesn't know what it's like to audition multiple times and fail. You only learn by failing and getting back up.

“Spry”? What an utterly bizarre way to describe a 20 yr old

R52 they’re homophobes for not using breedable

R50 It's best to get bit parts and fail constantly than actually be successful apparently. The middle class guy from IOM with a teacher mother has unrealistic expectations vs the insane rich kid from an acting family who went to private school and got taken to west end as a child

R51 Joe said no to child bride era, now in his eldergay era.

R53 Bash is only failing constantly according to you. In the real world, he is doing amazing. He works hard and knows the value of a good acting job. Joe doesn't know how lucky and rare it is yet. He thinks he knows but he doesn't.

I love that kit accidentally and completely unintentionally described what’s happened with bash in an interview this summer. His fans cling onto west end as a kid! Game of thrones! A Carrie fisher film! Lead in horrible histories! Meanwhile kit said his experience was to be a child actor you mostly have to be cute and not much more is expected and it’s now in his late teens and early adulthood he has to step up and prove himself. Bash did well as a kid actor where the role was basically “be pretty cute and not offputting.” Now that talent is required, the actually gifted kid actors like kit are coming up and the unknowns with insane raw talent given a chance like Joe are coming up.

Which interview was that R55

"Joe posting about this HUGE AMAZING project and his costar who claims to be one of his closest friends only giving it a like doesn't sit right with me"

"you are gonna get in trouble again. fact is some people don't hype up joe as much as he hypes up them. 🤷🏼‍♀️ it is what it is. that's why I stan tobie."

R53 I was too fascinated and had to read what you were replying to and, I really save these so they count more, but HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

imagine trying to spin being actually booked and busy into a bad thing.

R55 Pretty much, it's why there are so many fail child actors. Many of them being friends of Bash's

Bash is doing fine and will get steady (supporting) roles, but the idea of comparing him to Joe and Kit (or even Yaz and Will) is laughable and the idea of MCU and Broadway being apparently bad for Joe since he's young is fucking stupid. Just take the L already and admit he's doing amazing. Actually don't, since every time that person says something the opposite is manifested. They just said Joe would have to prove himself with a character that's not like Charlie/Billy and all the women in HS hate him and that he still had a thing with Lego, ....and well we saw how that worked out. Good job.

R55 You are not making the point you think you are. Kit knows what the industry is like. He knows how hard it is to succeed and book roles, no matter how successful your previous job was. Kit is now having a rough time finding his foot for his next career step and it's completely normal. There are highs and lows in this business and Joe has not seen that yet. He's in for a rude awakening.

R57 why seek out the two bitter joe stans? Most don’t give a shit. I’ve also seen a few “defending Kit”. I didn’t bring them here for similar reasons. Something really exciting happened for joe. Let’s not make it about fan drama for once.

R57 Why is she even publishing those asks?

Isn’t R57 the troll?

It’s weird how some people are so focused on the online stuff and completely ignore when Kit’s been physically present for Joe in ways that you never see co-stars be.

R63 It's a troll but not the troll

R56 the Numero interview

R64 again, that’s why it’s annoying when people bring in the negative for no reason though. When we got kits A24 news I didn’t bring in Cursed Alien’s bitchy tweet about how joe couldn’t compete, because the moment was about Kit. Let’s keep that energy here.

R65 ah, yeah. I’ve been pretty vigilant with ignore over the last few weeks

R59 Works for me. Every time you say Bash can't find a job, he books one soon after. Every time you say something bad about his looks, his hot boyfriend shows him love online. Good job.

Bash can find a job. Just not a main role in a big project. Though the Crofts have money so something might come eventually. And the hot boyfriend should tell him to delete raya since they are married now

R69 I'm not worried about him because he's 21. If you want your fave to achieve all his goals by then, good for you. Bash has so much time. Kit too.

Joe's fans are the biggest assholes. They treat Tobie and Kit like they're props in Joe's life. There wasn't a single Will fan that was salty about Kit not reposting their first Euro headlining tour or their new single. Joe's fans are the only ones that demand that the cast worship their favorite at an altar.

Ah r57/r71 is another joe hating troll. Put her on ignore too. Doesn’t even have the comedic factor of the bash one. Giving the timing between her deactivation and the sudden resurrection of this troll, Guessing it’s a pissy cursed alien back here

R72 definitely - she usually appears when summoned tbh (and I mentioned her earlier so thats on me). Pretty sure she’s got two accounts on here too. Advise ignore as well

Thanks for telling us babe. It is always the stan of some mediocre straight guy (the lead of 13 Reasons Why, really?) who thinks joe is so problematic

Cormac commenting “so gangster” on joes post is sending me

R74 using his full name and stuff, aren’t they just attention seeking

R76 it’s also a weird announcement. Like ok? You’re not happy? He’s still on broadway, Netflix, off west end, and marvel as his first four jobs. You’re thirsting and sobbing over his cast mates who love him and don’t know you exist. Your happiness or lack thereof for him means nothing

I don't know the history of this moron, but seems to like Yaz, Kit, Will but not Joe. What dumb crime did Joe commit I must know.

R77 i agree. also not surprised they are ugly jealous people irl.

yea people finally started to suspect something’s going on between them

R80 they’re in a poly situstion. Kit is with Will tobie and joe. Tobie is with Kit and joe. Joe is with Kit and tobie and exploring his sexuality with Olivia. Please respect their privacy

R78 well, now she’s saying it’s because he’s playing a Jewish character. But before that she had an insane rant that after she “held him accountable” over the whole bash/maira debacle, he was a transphobe for not getting online to tell his fans to leave her alone, since they all called her a moron and as she’s a trans woman, thats transphobic. Logic not high there, but. Really what it is though is she’s a trans woman so she projects onto Yaz and desperately wants to fuck will and Kit. She doesn’t want to fuck joe so she justifies being a cunt to him

R81 how’s kit getting all the guys, that’s not fair! also, suddenly kit is gay and joe is bi?

R80 as much as it pains me as Tobie/Joe truther, Joe and tobie are obviously joking around and Joe wouldn't ever act like that on his IG (to Tobie) if they were a thing. It's just their dynamic. Still think they could fuck around and not mean anything though. Tobie also fucks Kit on the side. Truly winning.

R83 Oliva made him bi as mentioned.

R84 let’s lean even further into this. Kits lack of comment is even more proof he and joe are fucking. Why not

R85 I can't refute it.

R85 Broadway announcement congratulatory hugs went too far

R87 Kit cooked him a nice congratulatory dinner and then ate his ass. Can anyone disprove that?

R85 He gave him a good celebratory fucking.

Agree with everyone that if something was actually going on Joe and Tobie's behavior would be completely different, but the polycule lives on in this thread.

This is a really random observation, but Will's been pretty quick to like Bradley's last 3 posts.

Everyone seems to adore Bradley.

Also guess he and his boyfriend are good and an actual married couple with a child, though won't stop us from making up shit from time to time while really bored.

R90 The social media interactions really are randoms at times. I don’t read too much into it unless it is relevant in context or something suddenly changes in pattern… but I‘m definitely curious how some of the dynamics might have changed over the last months of filming and to what extent social media interactions reflects that.

*reflect

ACGGTTAT is called "Recipe for Love" now and it looks like Lionsgate is involved in the movie.

R94 Interesting since it's barely a love story, though guess it has a double meaning. Guess they are going to lean hard into Kit being in it for obvious reasons. Expect the promotion to look more like a romcom than anything

Guess the OG title was too wordy

Recipe for Love is a terrible name. No shade to either Kit or Maia at all, as it’s nothing to do with them. It just sounds like a fake romcom that’s playing in the background of a scene in a romcom

R92 if you’re talking about Kit and Joe easing off a bit, I’d say sitting next to each other 90% of the time on set you’re less likely to write something about each others arse. Also, Kit’s whole sm presence is down to bare bones at the moment

The name is pretty standard for ACE films. Their last movie, "The Statistical Probability of Love at First Sight" was shortened for "Love at First Sight." Also, didn't realize it did as well as it did, it was in the Top 10 WW for Netflix for 3 weeks.

R99 the one with the woman from White Lotus? That looked really ordinary

R100 Yeah, that one. I don't think I've even seen the trailer.

R98 Lol, wasn‘t about Kit at all, it was about Will.

R102 ah, gotcha. I was answering in good faith tbh, but reading my reply I sound a pissy. Yeah, where Will slots in when all his spare time seems to be spent on the band I guess will be seen when they stop filming. Though, as Joe is off to NY for five months and presumably Kit is heading into Europe somewhere to film, there will be another dynamic shift

Will's interacted with Rhea less than Kit has in the last year or so on social media (the last post he liked was in February, Kit liked one in November), so my completely random crack theory is that he's the one that secretly has beef with her.

Can't get over Rhea and her likes all over the place and our Joe ♥

R105 it’s quite the turnaround

R103 Got it. I was just puzzled cause I'm the last one to think Joe and Kit are falling out or anything like that. Will's a bit of a closed book anyway, he seems the most private one by far. I also don’t know how many other London based friends on top of his band and a possible girlfriend he’s juggling with the HS guys. Would be random as fuck but guess for all we know he could have even been bonding with Brad a bit the last months, if the likes are anything to go by at all. Regardless I‘m expecting them to all slot back in as soon as they’re in the same place again next year. Makes sense they‘ve been spending so much time on and off set together since Joe came back, they knew it would be pretty short-lived.

Wonder if they’ll make it for the wrap party this time. I remember thinking it was weird they had a wrap party for season 2 without Joe, Kit, Yaz and Will.

R108 Could be wrong but considering they‘ll wrap just before Christmas, I‘m guessing Joe will be on the first plane to IOM as soon as he’s done. Especially cause he’ll likely be right off to New York after the holidays.

R108 For Joe and Kit, was it because they went straight to Brasil?

R110 Yeah which was weird because usually they do the wrap party in advance in that case.

R102 I’m curious, what’s up with or interesting about wills social media activity? Aside from the obvious, like bash, I’m awful at noticing

R112 I just find R90 observation about Will being fast to like all of Brad‘s last posts funny and random because he’s so inactive in general

R113 oh well obvious explanation. Kit and Will broke up and will is now dating Brad

R114 In a throuple with Brad‘s curly boyfriend (and occasionally Zak Maoui).

All kidding aside, social media isn’t really indicative of anything. They used to be more open online but that stopped a while ago. Will said he would live with Kit in a heartbeat and I believe him because the few times we see him out with a cast member, he’s with Kit.

We know all four of the guys are close. We see the least of joe and will, in large part because Joe was away for six months and then Will was really busy with wasia, but he was one of the three people will name dropped in an interview (with tobie and Kit), he went out with joe for his birthday the night before, they pretty clearly hung out the night before pride when joe followed his sister, joe reposted a wasia live cover, and joe posted a pic of Will from the s3 read through. Other dynamics are less clear but seem overall really positive and friendly

R117 Sure, my comment was mostly about Will and Kit’s friendship and how they’re not all over each other on social but we know they are very close. Same applies to the others.

R118 wasn’t disagreeing with you, more a general comment/extension of that to the other guys, since I agree with you that bith Kit and will and tobie and will are obviously very close.

R117 Agree, seems like a tight group of four, and it’s normal that not everyone is always equally as close to each other individually. Exact dynamics can also always change around at any time, but I believe those four are close and I think Cori and Kizzy slot into that group quite well too. Still funny how one night it was Cori with those four in Lyme Regis and the next night we got Kizzy with Will and Tobie (while Joe and Kit were getting busy).

My guess is that apart from Rhea's heel turn, all of the dynamics are the same from when they started shooting the season. The overall volume of public interactions has lessened pretty considerably, but basically everyone that you expect to interact is still interacting in some way.

Yaz was in Windsor today

Are they shooting at Charlie's again or is there other stuff they do there?

R123 They have a week and a half left of filming so I’m assuming maybe some reshoots

R94 does this mean they might actually get a theatrical release? or do we think it will be streaming only

R125 Only thing you can really tell from the listing is that it was sold already (it's not in the current market), but I'm pretty sure all of ACE's stuff is streaming.

R126 The description makes it sound like they kept the original cuban heritage so why were fans freaking out about the film erasing it and replacing it with Maia’s?

Cute.

And "some dude" apparently. Possible her boyfriend was visiting her on set again and they went for a walk during her break, but her being in Windsor might not be filming related.

R128 must be insane for his classmates

The Yaz sighting probably means Netflix wasn't doing their cast filming today, so maybe next week.

Also, it's a shame they renamed ACGGTTAT to a generic title like Recipe for Love, very Hallmark movie. If they wanted to shorten it, Tea & Tomorrow could've been more unique while still being cutesy.

R131 Tea & Tomorrow would've been better but on the bright side for Kit fans, with no shade to Maia, does sound like he's not quite as much a side character as in the book.

R131 Tea & tomorrow sounds more like an hallmark movie IMO. Anyway, it’s a cheesy romcom. Will enjoy it for what it is.

I’m fine with the name, but there’s also a chance it’s not the final thing.

R133 Yeah, I just think it'd be a title more reflective of the story while Recipe for Love could be any story involving food. That said, might not be the final title. It'd be funny if it went through as many title changes as Agatha.

Recipe for love was the working production title while filming, I’m not sold that it’s the final name.

Agree that it might not be the final title, but FWIW the trades are referring to it as "Recipe for Love" now. This is from yesterday:

[quote]Most recently, the company wrapped production on Recipe for Love, starring Maia Reficco, Kit Connor, and Kate del Castillo...

I’m not positive it’s the final title either but I think an overall title change makes sense given they swapped the leads nationality as per maia, and fully changing that in the title is probably not ideal PR wise

This makes sense actually.

R139 Yeah, I'm pretty sure me and one other DLer on here were thinking that they'd maybe consolidate and only have one "finally doing it" scene. It makes most sense to me that they'd just have one scene going all the way, but I guess there's a minuscule chance that they could hypothetically do the hj at the end of S3 and work up to them doing it "fully" S4.

This is what I was referring to. Now, Joe fans are on their high horse and belittling Kit's romantic movie. All well. Except the ladder will not go up for Joe indefinitely. This business is not made that way. His story may be inspirational to some but they should not aspire to such success that fast. It's incredibly unrealistic and uncommon.

What is fraulein whining about now?

You’re shitty

R142 More Joe has too much success at let me tell you why that's a bad thing.

And the other one came back at the same time. Not suspicious at all

R144 Frau this frau that but funnily enough, the other comment about Joe fans got more WW than any of your whining. Perhaps there is truth there and I welcome that other 'frau' to speak their mind. I am not useless enough to my friends and family to have two accounts on here but good for you if you do.

I love how they’re insisting the 11 WWs the other troll got are definitely not self bestowed

Can I just say, I know people here like Maia, but for some reason I just find her to be a low-grade actress. Nothing about her looks, and don't care about whether or not she dated Kit. Just not a fan of her work.

I hope the movie goes right to streaming. For me the only reason to watch is Kit. Just like the only reason for me to watch the Wiccan show is Joe.

R147 Okay?

R147 I think we like Maia in a pretty mild way unrelated to her acting. Primarily that she and Kit seemed to end on good terms, she was supportive during the queerbaiting debacle, and we feel bad she got a lot of shit about being a “queerbaiter” as well

Not rhea in another project

R150 Seems self aware at least. Sounds like a Hallmark movie. I guess Amazon is releasing some movies.

R150 Oh, look. Another one you hate because of your delusions is thriving. Good for her.

For all the shit people give Joe’s PR, they actually have him book insane things. Kit’s PR are the ones lacking and doing nothing, wasting his talent.

R153 joes PR is still shit firstly; this is through his agency. Secondly, kit literally has A24 coming up and led an indie

R153 Different people. Joe's are still shit.

Actually to add, you could say they are even worse than imagined considering what Joe has booked. His agents are putting in the work but his PR is not matching their or Joe's energy at all.

R154 Idk as an actor I would rather have shitty PR than a shitty agency. It’s the same agency that works with Tom Holland. Makes sense that Kit looked bored at the event the other day. It’s all nice and cool but he’s an actor and he’s passionate about his work. He wants to work. He was the most in demand actor last year and they can’t find him decent work?

R157 did you ignore the second sentence about A24

I don't think Kit's agency is shit, though I'd probably lay off the events since he's done enough of them. Though considering he's probably filming a movie soon they are doing just that. I think people overestimate how many projects a 19 year old can get and the "in demand" thing does not mean he's getting quality offers all the time. If movies are booking serious roles they are going to for a guy in his mid 20's over a teenager. Joe's just been very lucky with parts.

Both Kit and joe will have a LOT more roles open up to them once they hit around 25. Till then, what they have lined up and similar things are insanely, almost unbelievably good for their age

Kit is the norm. Joe's situation, as I have said, is unique and not to be looked at as something achievable. Remarkably, Kit and the others are not showing envy and resentment. Joe is very lucky.

R159 It’s not just luck, it’s his agents doing quality work and him having talent. For all the talk about IG followers, at the end of the day that doesn’t mean anything. I’m telling you, I’m sure Kit would rather have 0 than shitty agents. R160 That’s if they are still relevant by then. A lot of up and coming actors could come and take their momentum by then.

R162 Did not mean it's just luck, but Billy and Tobias are roles Kit couldn't play and it just so happens they were being cast right in a row. I can't think of anything huge that's being cast right now for Kit. Anyway, give him a few years and he'll have nicholas galitzine's career but better

"Quality work" and it's a 4 month stunt cast in an already running show because the producers want to sell tickets to teenagers. Congratulations to Joe for being the latest Broadway replacement, announced the same week as a Vanderpump Rules chick was announced for Chicago.

I disagree that kits career isn’t going amazingly, but I have to laugh at the two trolls really trying to justify how a broadway casting is shit

R162 I get your view but Kit is so talented as soon as the appropriate stuff comes up it’s his. Remember Joe got Marvel before he even had American representation, because he’s talented and the right fit for Billy. When Kit’s A24 is announced and the One of Us comes out presumably he’ll be pivoting hard away from Nick Nelson, which I’d understand if he wants. I’m not sure about the events, he gets a shit tonne of attention from them and was basically the most written about guy at the fashion awards but I honestly don’t know how that works in terms of over exposure or being a good thing for getting cast. Would observe he was on a table with Luca, which probably wouldn’t have happened in a world without his relationship with Jonathan

R165 They are big mad. And also funny to think Joe was cast for teenage HS fans like the majority they can go to NY and buy tickets. And HS is still not even that popular in the US. I was reading comments and 99% of the people don't know who he is and were going to check out HS

I see Joe's still liking the Zionist's posts even when the Zionist couldn't spare him a like for the stunt casting announcement. Quaint.

R167 response was really warm from the theatre types, but they seemed to have very little idea who he was unless they were millennial gays (it was nice seeing those guys all comment).

R166 His agency are marketing him as if he’s already 35 with the BMW ad and fashion events. It’s all cool but they should remember what their client wants: great acting jobs! It shouldn’t be that hard with his talent and hype. Done complaining but it’s mildly frustrating to see talent go to waste.

Maybe if that one clueless person stopped leaving dumbass comments about Kit's career we'd have some quiet from the trolls for longer than 2 seconds.

R169 Yeah, there were some people who did know who he was and would hype him up to those who didn't. And everyone said it was perfect casting regardless. The comments were nice. theatre gals and gays > MCU and HS fans

R166 Probably needs to be a balance so he's not just known for going to fashion events. Though if he did get that movie then it all works out and he's got HS, which he obviously gets a lot of attention from. I wouldn't worry even slightly.

A24 was already mentioned, but there’s also Pugh working on finding Kit a West End vehicle.

I know we're talking about the A24 film like it's definitely happening but how reliable is this rumor? How reliable was the source? Has there been any further indication that it's really happening next year?

R170 I truly think he’ll be announced as A24. He’s really buzzy but his agents and his pr do very different jobs.

R171 tbh I think their comments are fine. We have spent literally whole threads bitching about Joe’s pr. Guy wants to shit on Kit’s agent it’s fine. Cursed alien having finally flipped her lid isn’t his fault.

R171 Maybe you can shut the fuck and scroll? You complain about the disparity and Joe’s shitty PR at length. People can complain about Kit’s agency too.

R176 Hmm, no. Eat a dick.

I will say however well both kit and joes careers are going (and I think both are great), it’s only the beginning. Pugh looking for or thinking about a kit west end vehicle, Joe clearly still talking to Jeremy and Eric and perhaps doing something there and that’s just what we know. They’ll both be MORE than fine

R177 Eat 2 and fuck off

Joe bringing the princess behavior to charlie. After Elle declines Tao’s help carrying her bag charlie hits him with the puppy eyes and hands him his bag instead

R177 I don’t know why this made me laugh.

R174 The source is hit or miss though pretty sure he just got it from Production Weekly or something. could be wrong though.

R176 You can though we can just say he's not doing as well at Joe is getting roles but is doing well in general and don't compare him to Joe. I'm pretty sure that's the argument re: Joe's PR

Ah right, I see who you both are. Seriously though, not sure why discussing Kit’s career is a problem. Trolls are trolling no matter what we talk about. I’m a fan of both but initially of Joe more and I think talking about Kit’s career is interesting because publicly it does look like he’s not getting much from his agents. IMO I’m sure that’s not what’s going on behind the scenes at all but no harm chatting shit about it. Also the brand deal and fashion stuff and if it’s a good thing is really interesting to me but ymmv on that

Funniest part is that this whole argument started because someone doesn’t understand that PR and talent agencies are two completely different things.

R174 i got the info from a leaker i followed from joe and i think the industry dlr got the screenshot of production listing i think (?). i mean the director followed Kit & Manu back to back, Kit followed a24 randomly. I think its safe to say once a24 follows kit & manu back that the announcement is imminent

R185 I’m checking that accounts recent follows daily

Kit’s not anywhere near being overexposed. The coverage he gets is pretty targeted (fashion journalism), the events he goes to are particular (JWA/Loewe and supporting friends), and the brand deals are pretty clearly meant to help in the transition from being seen as a child actor to a more serious adult actor.

In all seriousness a few notes, and I say this as a massive joe Stan. Firstly objectively, aside from HS, Kit has a romcom, an indie, and soon to be an A24 film under his belt. Any of the three would be great. All three is fantastic. Secondly, as you note there are likely conversations and things behind the scenes we don’t know about yet for both of them. I suspect both in plays; Joe on broadway and Kit in west end, in 2025. Thirdly, sorry to beat a dead horse, but they’re SO young. If they even had a full year of no “good” work they’d be more than fine. Come age 23, let alone late 20s, parts will be falling at both their feet.

Bradley is already starting the birthday celebrations 3 days early

R184 It's not a problem, though the idea that Kit's career is going poorly is kind of silly. Call me biased though Joe having shit PR is much more obvious when you look at what's he's booked vs what press coverage he's gotten. Just not seeing the same issue with Kit at all.

R186 The last couple of A24 projects have been announced when they're on set already, so you're better off just monitoring Kit, Manu, and the director's movements. When they're all flying off to wherever it's shooting in Europe.

R184 Really? I don’t want to hear none of you complain about shit ever again.

R187 thanks. Thats sort of how it looked to me but, again, I’m an enthusiast not an expert on this shit. It feels like he gets a lot of coverage but I’m looking for it and it’s all fashion which not everyone reads. He’s not spruiking Nespresso (though tbf not a great example because they use huge names)

R189 Only 3 days? King Bradley deserves at least a week. I wonder if he's having a party?

Anyway, Joe followed Antoni Porowski. Go get him, he's single now and posting thirst traps

R185 The leaker who first posted the A24 thing is also the leaker who broke the "Pedro Pascal is playing Reed Richards" news.

R194 Antoni almost 40, so he would be a good fit for Joe, the gay male equivalent Sarah Paulson.

It's Joe

R191 I mean, you can be shitty at the whole thread but some of us are genuinely engaging. I can absolutely see your concern I just don’t think that’s what happening behind the scenes with Kit. But honestly your comparison to Tom Holland was a gut punch - why they got to do him like that? His choices are fucking terrible but he seems to be driving them (much to my sadness - his team needs to step in)

R195 hate that so fucking much

Joe is into daddies and you guys want to say he's into Kit. Kit is too young and well-adjusted for Joe. He likes losers and old men.

R197 And side note, Ami really fucked up picking Noah over Joe for their campaign.

R197 he’s so fucking hot Jesus Christ. Wonder if ami is courting him for a deal since they clesrly shit the bed with their last Netflix twink choice

R199 Same. I'm also generally just sick of Pedro in everything and think he's a pretty average actor, though.

R197 he’s so fucking hot. Between this and the clip from last week with Cori, it honestly looks like he’s got pash rash (I’m Australian and I have no idea what it’s called elsewhere). It would be both hilarious and a possibility considering how many takes they have to do and they both seem to grow stubble pretty quickly

R204 I actually think you’re right. Going to say it’s from after hours makeouts and fucking when Kit has stubble, not from on set

R204 either that or could be some residual redness from the zit he posted recently. The goatee comment a couple days ago made me laugh though.

Joe looks nice, I wonder if they were shooting the new basement videos today.

I'm sure they are off work by now

R207 Because of the sweater?

R207 And I misread your comment, though probably not. Didn't they do most of that crap after filming was mostly over. They still got awhile.

R198 I loathe Kits agency. They’re great for older talents but they always fuck up young actors. Hoping Kit can escape the curse.

R211 Who else have they fucked over?

Kits lips have looked a little dry recently too r204, hope those are telling for Season 3.

Just spotted cursed alien’s latest because my ignore is shitty and she compared Joe to Sarah Paulson because he dates (one mind you) older guys. Sarah and Holland have over 30 years between them and seem very happy. Seems like just another way to shit on gay people tbh. Just when we’re having a nice chat about her fav too.

R214 Why would you wish that for Joe?

I can’t stand tal and have no interest in defending him but it’s beyond me how a thirty year old fucking around with a teenager is an excuse to shit on the teenager. Like it’s actually very gross of tal, not joe.

R213 I assumed it was a s bit of stubble burn from snogging too…

R216 she’s very very angry since the Broadway announcement. She’s hardly ever been this active. Usually just stops by a couple of times a month. Guess she couldn’t pass up an opportunity to be homophobic on that one though

R218 the way joes success makes some people fume is beyond me

I would love to know what it is about Kit in particular that inspires people to be batshit crazy assholes. The guy is just there, being quiet and inoffensive, and yet I had to block another insane Twitter account clogging up his search with vitriol out of nowhere.

R220 I blocked that account earlier, too. They keep trying to get in with the fandom, hopefully everyone picks up on their game quickly and ignores them.

R219 There's a few Kit fans on twitter losing their shit too. Fucking weird.

R220 Idk what it is with that show.. Joe too has some freaks as fans. I blame the wholesome vibe of the show. Glee fans were crazy too (even more so)

R220 scooby dont? filling up the Joe tag too to shit on Kit. Last week was spending her time replying to everyone about how much Kit loved sucking cock to defend him. Got some weird ass people on that app

R224 That's the exact person, didn't realize they've been at it for a while.

Joe probably got that rash from Tal. He looks nasty.

Both joe and Kit have frankly a concerning number of unhinged haters, yeah.

Oh good now Fraulein is implying joe has an STD (?)

R227 and those unhinged haters love the other one of the boys who quite frankly would HATE them for being like that about their best friend.

Rash = STD? Young gays are exhausting

R225 They weren't anti-Kit until like yesterday and now are trashing him. They would just would leave fucking weird comments. Jumping to be a Joe fan because Kit's not sharing stuff on IG is crazy behavior. We don't want you.

R228 Yes, what a nasty cunt

R228 yeah, I’d definitely ignore that. Not worth pointing out how absolutely fucked it is to say that about gay men in any context. Talk about inviting violence

Not going to link it because I don't want to give them hits, but a site did a round-up of the roles the cast has booked and included this charming little gem about Cori:

[quote]Corinna Brown, who plays Tara Jones, one half of Heartstopper’s lesbian duo Tara and Darcy, doesn’t appear to have many roles going on outside of the show.

Why even fucking include her if they're going to be cunts about it?

Really don't understand the obsession with acting like Joe's still seeing Lego. He's obviously not. And again shitting on the guy who met the 30 year old as a teenager is not the flex you think it is.

R232 You guys really love playing the victims, eh? I would never bring up STDs so casually like you do. Let alone you probably have never met anyone who died from AIDS. Ignorant and hypocritical cunts.

R233 completely unnecessary Jesus. Let’s also ignore that she’s a dark skinned black woman who the industry historically treats like shit

R233 that’s fucked up

R234 You know all of Joe's whereabouts? He's still liking his posts.

Can anyone make anything out?

I wonder if they had a bit of a long day today. Joe, Newbery, Simona and two of the MUAs including Sorcha all posted at around the same time…

To add to the Rhea conspiracy theories, Asa Butterfield is in that Amazon movie with her (he's actually hugging her in the trailer), but he didn't bother to follow her. Maybe her vibes are just bad.

R241 Kit liking Asa’s post about the movie but not rheas is actually funny

The real tea i wanna know is why Kit unfollowed Jemima

R242 Brad got a quick Joe like today but Rhea didn't get one. Feud confirmed.

R243 Agree Have benn wondering about that for ages

R243 Did he 100% use to follow her? Strange, he literally shouted her out a couple months ago.

R243 It is weird when 90% of her posts are HS actors

R243 Any idea how old Jemima is ?

And do you see where I’m going with this ?

My boring theory I think is probably true is he clicked to mute her and accidentally hit unfollow. They’re near each other on the same drop-down panel, I doubt he has any actual beef with her, but she posts all the time and probably clogged his feed, especially on stories

She also doesn't follow Joe though follows everyone else in cast. And she hasn't worked with all the cast members she follows

R248 Probably mid-late 20's?

I think she is late 30s so forget my (daft) theory

I think R249 is probably correct

R250 I actually think she’s literally worked with everyone but Joe and maybe Yaz? Kit, will, cori, kizzy, bash, Leila, Bradley, tobie, Cormac, rhea, Jenny. Not sure of the adults

Can Joe and Kit start posting on IG like Bradley? Thanks boys

This was the shit I wanted talk about a couple of weeks ago. Kit used to hype her a lot and liked heaps of her shit. But the unfollow / mute is the boring but likely option

R249 I think it was an accident too, I doubt he's seen her or interacted with her since the Live and she still comments on his posts, which I don't think she'd do if there was bad blood.

R255 did he name check her in one of the lives?

R256 She joined the Live he did with Tobie on the train that one time and he shouted her out when he saw her say hi, a quick "Jemima!"

R257 I think it was Tobie that initially pointed her out? But yeah, clearly no animosity.

So she's probably just annoying on IG

In the entire time I’ve followed Kit he’s hardly unfollowed anyone (I’m not sure if he’s even done a mass purge at any point). That’s why I thought it was interesting at the time but, even not remembering the live, it’s too unusual really. It’s an accident when he was trying to hit mute, for sure

Just kidding, you’re right that it was Kit. It’s in this video.

Tbf they both did

Someone asked Alice when she realised that a 6th volume would be needed to complete the story and this is her answer.

R263 That's what happens when you write books based on vibes and cute boys kissing. Let's be real, she had no real plot for those comics, and the show made her aware of that when she had to start writing scripts.

R263 The story doesn't need much more than a couple chapters at best. She won't do what would actually be semi-interesting, is a timeskip and Nick and Charlie having to actually work to stay together against all reasonable odds that they wouldn't once Nick left town for school.

She also said she doesn't know how it's going to end yet apparently

R265 What? How does she suddenly not know how it ends when she's been saying that it ends with Nick going to Leeds for years?

R266 Who knows. I'm assuming she doesn't know exactly where/when to end it. Just stood out since there's no way they are filming S4 in 2024 if she doesn't know the ending yet and hasn't started working on it

Bash and Joe made her realize that puppy love is unrealistic. They will break up before going to college and perhaps meet again a few years later.

I wouldn't rule out 2024 entirely, she only takes a couple of months to write them and finishes them right before they start shooting. Doable if they film near the end of the year like usual.

It’s the easiest show in the world to write and she has a co-writer, she’s not going to need a year to wrap that shit up.

They seem to have been filming more hospital scenes today. Picture of the director and it’s all dark lighting and looks like an office being used for hospital. Could be an inner thoughts kind of scene too.

Alice having to rewrite her story because bash and joes breakuo made her doubt young love is a new but hilarious twist for the troll. Maybe she’ll write an arc of nick and a new man getting together and living “like husbands” age 21

R271 Was posted at R239.

R267 Apparently the wording wasn't necessarily that Alice doesn't know the ending, they just don't have an exact visual of the last page yet. May have just wanted to be honest about it since some authors will tease that they've always known what the last words of a series would be.

R271 Looks like a hospital ned in the background with a chair next to it

R272 She’s make Nick get with someone else if she has a death wish lol

R274 That actually makes more sense.

charlie should fuck around. Nick doesn't give me the vibe of a man who is good at fucking and probably cries during sex

comic Nick only of course

From Alice's Q&A:

[quote][bold]failureisrelative asked: Hi Alice :) First of all: I'm absolutely in love with Nick and Charlie in volume 5! Now the question: we saw the whole journey between the relationship, how they grow together and everything, but now we can see a really more emotional side of Nick, the individual person side, and not Charlie's boyfriend (does that make sense?) coming to the surface, all the questions he has to ask himself. Their emotions being louder - I think that would be the right word - were they planned from the beginning, or was it just happening?[/bold]

[quote]This definitely wasn't planned from the start! When I started, my only aim was to tell the story of how Nick and Charlie got together, and Charlie's mental health journey. Things have definitely gotten a little bit out of control since that original plan... Nick is such an interesting character to me because on the surface he appears very open, very content and self-confident and happy with who he is, particularly post-coming out. But when writing this volume, I felt myself starting to unpick all of that and dig into the insecurities that are lying beneath the surface. Nick has learnt so much about himself through Charlie, and he can be totally himself with Charlie, but when Charlie [italic]isn't there[/italic]... is he okay? Who are his closest friends? Does he have anyone he can truly confide in that isn't Charlie? Nick's also spent the better part of six months supporting Charlie through his mental health recovery, which, of course he would, he loves Charlie. But that hasn't left much room for him to focus on himself. And now Charlie's finding his own confidence, and is spending more time doing his own thing, like his band, and soon his Head Boy campaign - so where does that leave Nick? In Volume 5, Nick is just starting to realise that when Charlie isn't around - when Charlie's off doing his own thing - Nick isn't really sure what to do with himself. He's a bit lost. And often, around people who aren't Charlie, he's not even able to be his honest self. I think what's expressed in Vol 5, though maybe Nick hasn't quite realised or accepted this yet, is that what Nick really needs in order to find genuine self-confidence and self-acceptance, is a little bit of space from Charlie. To grow and find himself, to make mistakes and learn lessons, without Charlie acting as a constant safety net. I'm looking forward to continuing that theme into Volume 6...

R278 The comic versions of both of them can be so fucking annoying that I can't imagine anyone else tolerating either of them.

[quote][bold]biancasobsessions asked: Was it difficult deciding how you would show the intimate scenes? They are so beautifully well done and I love how it shows it without showing too much![/bold]

[quote]Extremely so, yes! One of the main topics of volume 5 is Nick and Charlie taking their relationship a step further and starting to become physically intimate. I wanted to explore that from a very emotional perspective - how do they know they're ready to have sex? What inspires them to take that next step? Why haven't they done so already? What is the teen peer pressure surrounding them with regard to sex? How are they feeling about the increasing possibility of having sex? How has Charlie's mental health journey affected his feelings about sex? So in order to explore all of that, I couldn't just do a big build up and then a fade to black. (Fade to black moments can definitely be right for some stories, but given this being such a prominent topic in this volume, I didn't feel it was right for the story). And on the other hand, I also didn't want the scenes to become overtly erotic, because that's not what their purpose is in this story. (Again, erotic scenes in comics can be great! But aren't right for Heartstopper.) The focus had to be on the emotion, not the physical act, but the emotion could still be expressed by their physicality. So the question is not 'what are they doing', it's 'how are they feeling right now?'. In drawing, that meant closely cropping the panels to show small fragments of what's happening, to allow the reader feel the emotion of their intimacy and to heavily imply what is happening off-page. My aim was to capture their love and connection and desire for each other in these moments - maybe we feel that through hands grabbing at an item of clothing, or the moment they're about to kiss, or their hair sticking out from under some bedsheets. I also came up with the sparkles! Much like Heartstopper's leaves and flowers, the sparkle doodles appear sporadically around the panels, and through volume 5 I introduce them during heated moments between N&C. It's essentially the metaphorical electricity in the air! Again it's something that makes the reader FEEL, without having to overtly be SHOWN what is happening.

R279 A long worded answer to say Kit made Nick very popular so I need go give him something to do

Aww, just noticed Olivia recently left a comment on Joe's Broadway post. He's only responded to her comment and Tobie's thus far.

R279 a long way to say “I made Nick the main character of s2 and plan to do the same going forward”.

R279 She definitely read the criticisms about Nick not being a developed character, then.

Hilarious that her goal was to discuss Charlie’s mental health journey, halfway through she hasn’t even started, and s4 is being pitched as basically “nick centric season where nick realizes he needs to get a life”. Seriously glad Joe has shit beyond this show because Jesus

R284 Basically. I'm assuming Vol 6 is mostly Nick focused and that will continue in S4

R281 Long winded way to say Charlie got railed

R278 Charlie who can't remove his shirt and cries from anxiety is supposed to be good in bed?

Charlie is a bottom. He doesn't have to be good in bed.

R286 How dare she give something to Nick other than his sexuality and his boyfriend, right?

R283 Joe's commitment to calling Tobie daddy is commendable

Seems someone is upset now. Stop with the cheap shots about Nick right now.

R285 Nick low-key needs that development in the comics. 90% of the discussion about his character on here amount to that conclusion.

Yeah, the answer doesn't bother me. I think Alice always had a clearer image of Charlie's character through starting off with Solitaire, while Nick has always needed a bit more work and I'm sure knowing Kit's capabilities has been a big help. This mostly sounds like needing to lay groundwork for the Nick & Charlie novella to be more consistent with the comic. It's pretty fair to tackle that they can each learn some independence and confidence separate from their relationship without completely breaking up.

R289 Of course you have no standards, Why am I not surprised?

[quote][bold]thatgirl1995 asked: How did you juggle writing volume 5 and filming season 3?[/bold]

[quote]With extreme difficulty! In the time I created Volume 5, we shot seasons 1 and 2 of the show, and I had to write season 2 (in three months) and season 3 (in four months). This is why there've been a lot of webcomic hiatuses in the past couple of years! Making comic pages while shooting the show was genuinely impossible (I tried and failed miserably). Writing the show while simultaneously making comic pages was not impossible, but it was extremely exhausting. I had to use every second of available time, all hours of the day, seven days of the week. I am really really hoping I will not have to be in that situation again, should we get a season 4! It's just not a healthy way to exist. As for the HOW of it all... planning is so important. To be able to sit down and start work without being like 'uhhhhh... so what am I making right now?'. It just saves so much time. Knowing what the next scene to write will be because I've already planned breakdowns of every scene. Being able to just start lining a page because I already sketched it out the day before. Stuff like that helps immensely!

If anyone wants to get any last minute licks in, she's closing her ask box in half an hour.

R290 not this again. Series 2 was all about Nick. Series 3 isn’t even all about Charlie given it has half a s5 storyline in it. Alice has basically confirmed volume 6 and series 4 will be Nick centric. Joe has shit outside the show I’ll be happy about but god forbid I want him and Kit to be treated equally.

We’re not even getting a full season focused on Charlie recovering from 3 mental illnesses and we got 1.5 on Nick coming out and now another 1 on Nick realizing he needs to get a life. Truly apologies for wanting more for Charlie and Joe. MeA culpa that I don’t think him having the lead storyline less than 1/3 the time is fair.

And to be clear I’m fine with and in fact happy about Nick getting character development. I’m frustrated what was meant to be a Charlie season is getting shortchanged for that when Alice could’ve cut 2-3 of his many coming out scenes to give kit more to work with in s2.

R296 You're being dramatic again though. They are both the main characters. They BOTH have to have storylines separate from each other. Charlie has his band and head boy thing, Nick has to have something. The fact that this makes you upset enough to say 'glad Joe has other things going on' is wild. And season 2 wasn't all about Nick, go rewatch.

R295 I don't get why she doesn't trust her executive producers more. She doesn't have to do all this shit she's saying. I'd say she was a show runner, but show runners take care of the actors too which she obviously doesn't do

R299 you’re being dramatic too so not in the mood. Your whining that Nick is soooo shortchanged compared to charlie is the height of normalcy, right?

Of course I don’t see anything wrong with being ace and yeah, people being weird about lack of sex is a little silly (Couldn’t be me though) but Alice reblogging this really makes me remember what an annoying ‘Tumblr girlie’ she really is

R295 She has half a year to work solely on the comics and then time to write the scripts. It’s doable. Give me a break with the dramatics.

R299 Alice S2 was about Nick.

Thing is is she did do even more with Charlie’s Ed and self harm than the gentle way it’s portrayed, I fear she’s a bad enough writer that she’d take it too far and have poor Joe doing scenes where he’s slitting his wrists

R302 This is what she reblogged sorry.

R303 It also isn't imperative for her to have them all drawn out. She could write the script of the comics and then sit down and write the show script with that. She'd still have an additional year to draw out the pages.

R305 I’m not gonna justify it being shortchanged because alice is a shit writer. If she doesn’t want to delve more into his self harm that’s fine but his insecurities, his worries about others, and his treatment can all be handled even without expertise

Joe and Kit need to release a video with serious fan service or of them fucking or something because y’all have this same annoying ass discussion every time.

Heartstopper is a cheesy, Hallmark, showing joy and getting through hardships with a mediocre script and at some point will just be an easy watch show or background noise for people. I HOPE Charlie gets a meatier storyline but it’s also not that deep.

R307 If they get season 4 there’s a chance it’ll be of the last comic - Which makes sense. Sooo couldn’t she just do them at the same time? Lol

R309 ok well if it’s not that deep then people don’t have to come at me for wanting it. The people who want the entire thing to be Nick centric have already got that, let me be salty about it

R310 She could, but if you read her answer at R295 it was akin to her being waterboarded and she doesn't want to do it that way again.

Anyway, the British ambassador to the US posting this is cute

I’ve never seen a more blatant justification for the show becoming even more Nick centric. I don’t understand how that can read any other way tbh. We already know the timeline is now basically a whole year and Charlie’s mental health story is clearly wrapped up in six months (from her answer). It’s been leaning that way very clearly anyway. I love Kit and I’m tuning in but I know what I’m getting now

R314 I feel like you guys have read different comics because Alice has not changed it that much to the original plan. They're even bringing in This Winter storyline in the show and that's all about Charlie and Tori. S1 was Nick and Charlie and a bit more Charlie. S2 same but a bit more Nick. S3 looks like it's mainly about Charlie. The fans' reception has wrapped your brains. It's not Nick-centric.

R313 Joe has made it big. If he gets Ben Platt to follow him back he'll have met all his goals in life

R315 disagree but let’s just agree to disagree. Until s3 comes out we won’t know regardless but I can read numbers and know that a 14 min difference in screentime for under 25 min episodes makes Nick the s2 lead and I’ll believe it when I see it for Charlie in s3.

R315 Alice’s answer is pretty clear but ok. I’m not going to go into the whole “we’ll just have to wait and see” because honestly, I don’t think we do have to wait and see. The show is about a bi guy coming finding himself

R316 Nothing else to look forward to. How pleasant.

R315 The fact that nearly every review said S2 Nick centric seems to me to be it's not just our minds

And fans continuing to make Charlie’s mental illness about Nick will drive me batshit. If Alice panders with a caregiver burden storyline I’m going to just turn off s3

R318 omg the auto correct that happened for me there is hilarious. More so because it’s such a dramatic sentence. Jesus.

*the show is about a bi guy coming to terms with his sexuality and finding himself

R322 The show starts and will end with Charlie, but sure. Look, no need to go back and forth on this. I am glad the show is almost over because jeez.

Love that me saying I’m glad Joe has other projects is dramatic but then saying they are glad the whole show is nearly over isn’t lol

R323 You think physically seeing Charlie is "starting and ending" with Charlie even if neither season has actually ended with Charlie being the focus and only S1 started with him.

R325 Already forgot the 2 min sequence of Charlie going into school at the start of season 2? And Charlie 'texting' i love you to Nick, making him the last shot of season 2?

R326 And nobody cared about either scene

Well see when the reviews start dropping for S3. Till then it’s all conjecture.

R327 Nobody cared about the last scene? Be serious

R329 Nobody cared about Charlie in the last scene. Am being serious. People were too busy boohooing over Nick

R330 That's just the dumb fandom. They both did a tremendous job and that's all I saw from reviewers and fans who care about the show.

R330 I mean “boo hooing” is cunty but your point stands. That scene is interpreted by the fans as being about what Nick is doing. He’s strong, he’s gentle, he’s holding it in. No one gives a fuck what Charlie is saying - just how Nick is reacting to it. It’s a beautiful and even scene from both of them. As far as the fans are concerned it could be entirely filmed from behind Joe

Joe is going on Bradway and yet here you are yapping about some bullshit. Joe fans can never be satisfied. That's why Bash ran away from that boy and his fandom. Ungrateful and parasites obsessed with the victim mentality.

R320 I only remember 2 reviews saying that the season was Nick-centric.

I mean as always I think a lot of it comes down to Alice. In the last scene both kit and Joe are nailing the “point” of their characters. Charlie pushes everything down and denies there are issues to try to protect people he loves, Nick is extremely emotive and constantly declaring love. The issue is, as has been said a thousand times and is being ignored so they can insist Joe isn’t shafted, alice does none of the groundwork to establish that Charlie is lying about no longer self harming or lying about his eating disorder. It comes across as kit having better emotional range rather than both nailing their characterization.

Similarly, s4 Will yes have scenes of Charlie in a band perhaps but again it’s the depth and the ability to show range. If Nick is questioning himself, feeling a large range of emotions, and realizing he needs to grow and change, 10 minutes of that is a lot more impactful than 10 minutes of Charlie playing drums and becoming head boy. And I’d say the same in reverse and not try to claim idk, a rugby match scene of Nick just playing rugby has the same depth as one of Charlie’s therapy sessions. So while I get people saying “Charlie has X and Y why can’t Nick have them too”, the issue is Alice is centering s4 around Nick having another self realization while Charlie kind of just exists from the sounds of it.

If you refuse to at least concede s2 was nic centric this is going nowhere. Even Nick and kit stans who don’t give a fuck re Joe or Charlie used that as a defense, saying joe/Charlie fans needed to shut up since s3 would be all about Charlie. If even insane Twitter stans aren’t denying it was Nick centered, then come on

R333 Mhm. I'm expecting the Joe fans to cry about Agatha not being Wiccan centric and Sweeney Todd not being Tobias centric next.

Anyway someone needs to take one for the team to watch both the new film rhea is in and the tv show tiktok charlie was in to weigh in on quality

[quote] Season two was mainly about a 16-year-old bisexual kid continuously coming out to practically everyone in his life. But more broadly, it was about a group of young people who are still in the process of learning how to ask for help and be there for one another.

Yeah, it's just us who are saying this

And random troll we don't got time for you. You can't compete with the OG thread shit stirrer

R336 Ya, I said S2 was more about Nick. Everything is leading to S3 being more about Charlie. I don't understand the issue. You got in a twist because Nick will have more development in the future seasons. More development doesn't mean s3-4 will be Nick-centric...

R340 I am replying to r334 which said only two reviews called s2 Nick centric. If you’re not 334 it’s not about you. And the condescension is not needed thanks. I’ve explained a thousand times why s3 will not be Charlie centric, you disagree, the end.

R338 I cancelled prime so sadly I cannot. And I'm surprised at how much Asa Butterfield's career has fallen.

R342 Bad agents. Kit, please fire yours.

I'd do a Prime comedy (?) to work with Jane Krakowski, too.

Once again nick had coming out scenes of some kind (some discovering, some telling) with Charlie, Tara and darcy, Elle, his mum, Imogen, his brother, the paris people, his dad, and via Instagram. If Alice is truly interested in developing him she could’ve cut a few of those 9 coming outs to do so instead of shortchanging all of Charlie’s storyline. If Charlie has 9 self harm scenes I will welcome critique that it’s too many and unnecessary. But given it looks like she’s no raging his hospitalization, don’t think developing charlie too much is a concern.

I wouldn't be surprised if only two reviews said that. Most professionals aren't miserable Joe fans that count every minute he's on screen.

R345 montaging his hospitalization that should say

R321 I'm pretty sure I remember reading that Alice cut that line out of the book because she said it romanticized mental illness.

Prize Track on Reddit insisting Kit and Jemima hooking up is more likely than muting her is absurd

R349 People really need to stop saying "someone on DL said" for something that was clearly a fucking joke or just wild speculation based on nothing. And if they must repeat things, why don't they repeat the good stuff we talk shit about like Joe having stache rash

R350 What do you mean, we were completely serious about Kit hooking up with a 38 year-old that met him when he was underage.

R349 exactly the reason I didn’t say anything three weeks ago even though I wanted to. Literally just wanted to say I thought it was weird and get your take, which was the same as mine, an accident. I thought it might be something professional otherwise - not a fucking hook up, but I knew that’s where Reddit would take it. They old lady is a shit stirrer

R350 I mean we left that out there ripe for discussion. They could have spent two hours speculating about how much “rehearsal” the boys put into those scenes

They desperately need to believe Kit is hooking up with older women so they think they can have a chance. Sorry fraus, not happening.

It’s just hilarious to me that the “evidence” of Joe and Kit is way stronger than the “evidence” of Kit and basically any woman but because the fraus want to fuck Kit they project onto random women instead. Obviously I don’t think Kit and joe are fucking (sadly) but the “evidence” is there for them in a way and yet

R355 It happens without fail. Even if you remove Joe from the equation, we had those two recent Kit sightings to compare the responses of. That Bridgerton fan spotted him laughing with a guy, no one entertained the idea of that being a guy he's seeing. Kit was photographed in front of a girl not even looking interested, and the speculation ran rampant about him having been on a date.

R356 I do think part is biphobia but I think a larger part is most fans are women who really want to fuck him and find it easier to project that that’s possible when he’s around a woman

R356 he went all the way to Edinburgh in the middle of filming to see a male friend and if I saw anything at all about it, it was literally that he was probably seeing woman up there. I know his friend is straight but those bitches on reddit wouldnt have known that until someone clarified it here

Heartstopper at #2

R359 ngl they should’ve highlighted joe and it’s acting since it’s the only way the show works, but that is cool

R360 That one missing letter really changed this comment.

R362 lol my bad. *kits

The British military congratulating Joe is fucking hilarious. Absolutely choose to believe that navy guy who 100% wanted to fuck him is behind this tweet

R363 And to think Joe was the one complaining on TikTok. He's hiding his likes on Instagram to get attention. He worked hard to make this victim mentality stick with his fans. Kit can't even complain because Joe fans will say that Joe has it so much worst because he's always sidelined or other bullshit lies. Must be insufferable to be Joe's friend. It's a good thing Tobie is always online because if he skips a like or doesn't comment the wolves will be on his case too. They'll say he's not being a good friend to dear Joe.

This is genuinely apropos of nothing but it’s mildly insane that bashs “end of year roundup” pic that encapsulated 2022 for him was a photo of him and Will with Joe nowhere to be seen. Again, random thought but like ?

Fraulein is having a complete psychiatric break I fear

R365 I didn’t think that was weird since most of the joe and bash pics came from him. I can see why you think that though

R365 bash ass kissing everyone and treating joe like shit, what’s new?

this scarlet witch acc constantly shading joe and setting him up… i’ve also heard the admin was/is mean to joe on his main. what’s the point anyway? marvel ain’t gonna recast him and the show has finished filming ages ago MOVE ON

Unrelated, but to the guy that was asking if Louis and Olivia are still together…

R369 MCU fraus are really struggling not to call a pre-teen hot.

R370 cute couple

R371 it’s absolutely borderline where they are going in terms of how they’re talking him. Can’t believe no one is calling them out

R370 poor Joe. Cant believe she’s cheating

Just realized Joe will spend another 6 months in the states where he can’t drink yet. That’s though. Is he the youngest in the Broadway cast?

Patti will get him drinks

R374 if he’s gonna live with patti, of cause he’s gonna have access to alcohol

I don’t remember seeing that first pic. They look hot

As someone from a country where 18 is the drinking age (for better or worse) it’s crazy to me they can’t drink in the USA. Must have been odd for Joe when he’d only been just become legally able to drink

Love that you faggots all went straight to “Patti LuPone’s bar is stacked”. Accusations of being girlies unfounded

Tbh the funniest thing about the recast is those children are like, 14. And yeah I guess the wiccan kid looks kind of like Elizabeth Olsen? Not such a crazy resemblance that Joe is unthinkable, and both she and Joe have the huge dark guilt trip eyes. They should all just say “I hate fags” and be honest

R380 what’s wild is he looks a bit like Joe. Down to the unusual ears (Joe guy, don’t come for me, I fucking love them).

Joe is the only gay that has ever existed. If you don't like him that means you're homophobic!! Wake up girls, some people don't like him or find him attractive. Get over it.

R380 They clearly dont know the comics at all because Billy Kaplan is a different person from Maximoff so of course he looks different.

R383 it’s mainly K-pop girlies who simply don’t want to fuck Joe and see potential in the kid (vomit). The marvel gays that hate him have much more specifc fan casts and truly, whatever. They’ll either love him when it’s released or not be able to get over it. I think love him but time will tell

The Marvel fandom have always been twats about everything because it’s not their headcanons - Said as a Marvel fan. I’m sure that Joe will absolutely kill it and be fab but some people will just be stuck in their ways.

R377 we definitely haven't seen that

R386 We have, it was a DJL find.

Tbh I remembered it because of Kit’s dick. I knew we had seen it before

Brady's at the Netflix offices, potentially basement videos?

R389 Would track with "not in a basement this time"

R389 Occam's razor points to yes

R389 Could be! I also noticed Cori posted a story early in the morning, but could be unrelated.

If so, fingers crossed for a new Joe and Kit selfie

The absolute fucking delusion. He was being polite you psychopath

Probably didn’t even see who it was amidst all the flashes, let’s be real.

R395 that’s what I meant by polite. He heard someone screaming his name and gave a polite smile

R396 The "be real" was directed at the stalker, but I guess that was unclear since she‘s not actually here lol. But in case you’re lurking: be for fucking real.

R394 I fell down the rabbit hole that is her Instagram account the other day and she was already a full-grown adult stalking celebrities in 2012. Meaning that this is a 30+ woman acting this way. She's also a 30+ woman who can't differentiate between your and you're, but that's a different grievance.

R398 really? That’s fucking awkward. How are these middle aged women not more embarrassed about stalking a young man?

Anyone here got a ticket already for Joe’s play? Didn’t want to go on the 31st (because of all the fraus going) but I feel like it’s the only date I am certain he’ll be there? I would be too scared to book on a random date in March and they end up using his understudy.

where to buy tickets for his play ?

Here

R400 you could try for the date Sutton is starting. He’s definitely going to be on that day, right

as much as i want to see joe modelling, i want him to be booked for acting jobs instead

It's not one or the other, actors do both. He could easily do a print campaign.

Kit's coffee order, for those that are nosy about that kind of thing.

As much as people are dramatic about Kit’s career, he did the JWA campaign the same year he was the lead in a movie and a TV show. Joe can model if that’s something he wants to do. I do think it’d be good for his people to set him up with a modeling coach for a session or two regardless, just in preparation for the next round of photoshoots and red carpets.

Joes bone structure is insane. His inevitable campaign for some fashion brand, even if it’s in a few years, will be excellent

R406 Yeah, for that campaign in particular I remember he wrapped on One of Us, got on a flight, and was in Paris for all of a day to shoot it. It's a super quick thing to do. Ami needs to replace that Zionist anyway.

R407 That Joe Locke jawline.

R404 No need to worry. It's not happening. No one is asking him to model.

R406 Gonna call you dramatic next time you want to whine about Joe's PR

R411 Am I supposed to give a fuck?

R412 I'm pretty sure it's the person that got clowned yesterday still going through it, ignore it.

Joe reposted the Variety list Heartstopper is on, otherwise everyone's been pretty quiet.

R412 Nope. You can do you mate. I’m gonna call out your hypocrisy for calling others dramatic while you want to whine about Joe’s PR. Eat a dick and chock

Chock? Stay in school, kids.

Tbh if you are going to complain about Kit's agent/career at least give reasoning why you think it not ideal and what they are doing wrong or what they should do. Since the Joe has shit PR people can point out that someone who booked the roles he has should have more than Hunger magazine.

This hag has a single personality trait, and that trait is this convention.

R418 She's so fucking annoying with that shit. It wasn't funny the first time and not funny a year later

R416 My bad. Hope you CHOKE, rat. R417 You can choke too

R420 Me - Please explain why you feel the way you do. To me, Kit's career is going pretty damn well but I'm not too aware of what they could be doing better

You - Go choke.

Fuck off. You aren't worth bothering with. Nasty ass bitter cunt.

R421 I explained in detail yesterday. Maybe go back and read the thread before jumping in.

Not gonna weigh in except to say gay men saying “eat a dick” as an insult is funny

not sure if this one made it here before but the stark difference is so funny

424 trigger warning please

r425 incredibly sorry. will watch the kitjoe grass gif for atleast 10 mins as my punishment

R414 Is Joe allergic to showing some gratitude? You can tell he is over heartstopper. He can't wait to leave. Oh, how I hate ungrateful actors. Not only should he be eternally grateful for this once-in-a-lifetime opportunity, he should thank his co-star for making this average show go mainstream. But as usual, Joe is too self-obsessed and selfish. A week after the break up he was already hooking up with other men and posting it on Instagram so that Bash could see. He knew that would affect Bash who had a show that day. Poor behavior and poor character.

Does she know Olivia doesn't give a fuck about Bash...

The only coffee comment that’s funny now is people saying “oooh suddenly Kit likes coffee…” crunchy is fucking annoying. You’re a grown adult acting way too familiar with these guys.

I was going to say, Vicky had the right reaction.

Joe and Kit if they were honest (jokes)

"People think we're together." And are those "people" in the room with us right now, Barry?

Will got in on the selfie action. He needs to take it closer next time.

R428 Does she also know that Bash hasn't acknowledged her existence since her date night with Joe?

Tobie followed a hair stylist today, said hair stylist posted this earlier. Cori also followed a hair stylist (tarikbennafla). They definitely did promo work today.

Bash has a cute guy his age call him his muse on social media and Joe has a 30-year-old, bitter tattoo-failed reality star who can't like or comment on his big announcement post. This is sad.

Was reading and apparently theatre fans in NY are fucking insane and will stalk the performers after the show. Stage door going to be wild.

R437 He might just go once or twice like he did for the Trials

R437 Oh yeah, that's fairly normal. Joe's a big enough theater fan that he's aware of what's coming, I think.

In other news, people think Joe railed Kit because of how they each hold their phones.

Joe is a power top confirmed

R435 I wonder if it'll be just the main seven (six couples + Tobie) or if they also brought along Jennie, Rhea, Leila, Darragh, etc.

R440 Vers. JBC redeemed

R441 Pairing Jenny and Darragh would be good, but given that Netflix always fumbles I’m not expecting it.

R443 It's possible Darragh couldn't be there because of his play, though I'm not sure of his exact schedule. In that case, they might pair Jenny and Tobie as the two ace characters. I'd suggest Bradley and Tobie as a pairing, but I don't get the impression that James is a big presence this season.

Glad bash found a man who speaks his language (short words and emojis)

Tobie is such a Joe stan. He liked five posts about joes casting on Twitter, and the Netflix queue photoshoot

R445 We Joe fans should just take the L. We obviously can't compete with this loving relationship full of humor, wit and dinners as husbands with white unseasoned noodles. Broadway can't compare.

R446 Still iconic that he liked this tweet and saw that person shading Lego's brother

Steven B you should join the threads.

R447 Joe may have a thriving career but he isn’t having dinner in “like husbands”

R446 The four constants in terms of Tobie's likes: Joe, Kit, Will, and Beyonce.

R449 a thriving career isn’t actually a good thing, didn’t you know

Let’s not manifest an encore for Lego

The only person who keeps bringing him up is the Bash weirdo. It's obviously not a thing anymore.

Sure keep telling yourselves that. Meanwhile, Joe keeps on liking his loser posts. He'll be seen with that man as soon as filming is over.

The bash troll saying Joe shows his ingratitude for HS by … being the one lead who posted the variety article? Is even dumber than she usually is

He posted without commenting while he posted for Agatha and commented on his excitement. It's not hard to understand when you use your brain.

R455 only member of the cast? Not a competition or judgement as none of them are consistent, but the only other people who posted are Patrick and Alice, right?

Yes, he's very excited for something that came out months ago. Agatha hasn't been released yet. Fucking idiot.

And at least go with he'll find a man in NY and not freaking Lego, who btw is out again with random people who aren't Joe.

R457 They said lead. Though our King Bradley posted in between this weekend birthday celebrations and endless book signing ads

R459 I guess my point was more that it wasn't just Kit that skipped it but I can see it was pedantic

The way social media has this thread in a chokehold (including the troll) is funny

R460 sorry I meant main, like kit, cori, kizzy, Yaz, Will. To be clear I think all the others are all grateful for HS as well, the post doesn’t mean that they aren’t, but a weird fucking thing to use to show Joe doesn’t care

R462 it’s no win with them really. Sometimes Joe’s fine and the fans are the problem, sometimes Joe’s a total cunt and everyone should watch out. Sometimes it’s all about how the relationships just grow apart when you’re that age and sometimes Joe’s a whore. Sometimes they’re appreciating the Kit Joe friendship for how lovely it is and we’re all being disgusting by joking about them fucking, and sometimes Joe is the worst person who has ever existed. Literally think more than one person has the password on the account because the rationale is all over the shop. I keep on ignore and then read all at once and honestly it’s not even that funny - it’s really like someone’s mind unspooling in real time

Do enjoy when she praises Joe without knowing it or trashing Bash, like comparing him to Lego

[quote] His story may be inspirational to some but they should not aspire to such success that fast. It's incredibly unrealistic and uncommon.

R464 the ‘being successful is a bad thing’ is the hottest of all the hot takes

Or this

[quote] Joe is into daddies and you guys want to say he's into Kit. Kit is too young and well-adjusted for Joe. He likes losers and old men.

Amazing!

R463 If you read real slowly you'll see that all of these make a lot more sense than: 'Bash is the devil reincarnated because he was obnoxious at Pride. His sister should burn in hell because she unfollowed her brother's ex on Instagram. Bash's friends are all losers with no career because they unfollowed their close friend's ex on social media after the ex posted a hookup on main'.

Fr fans need to relax with the social media investigation

R468 I mean, based on all that shit “Kit and Will are close” stuff doesn’t actually track as Will isn’t consistent liking or commenting on Kit’s posts. I think ultimately they are very Gen Z and their online behaviour is often indicative of relationships, but irl at the moment they are all in each other’s pockets right now and working all the time. Will, in particular, seems to be either working consistently, either on HS or on Wasia. Anyway those Joe fans are miserable.

R468 lol this sounds like a bash fan trying to shit stir that will doesn’t like Joe. They’re clearly mates

R469 Ymmv but I feel like social media is 50/50 and shouldn’t be used to know who is closest to who. It’s kind of pointless R470 I think they were Joe fans. On another cc they said that’s why they stan tobie and not kit but thankfully got called out.

R469 My guess is that the first week of filming in Lyme Regis gave people high expectations for cast content, but those circumstances were so rare. No matter how many people pretended they weren't looking, there were so many avenues of seeing images or videos from the beach filming. From there, a handful of fan encounters, and then the cast having their own fun with Insta Lives. It was their first week back and fresh off summer, so I don't think they were 100% in their work flow yet; but there also hasn't been a comparable week of location filming since then, where they'd all be cooped up in accommodations together for a week. As far as we know, anyway.

It was a nice treat, but wasn't going to happen every week of filming, especially as they moved increasingly indoors with the weather. I think some people forget that a lot of filming anecdotes come through press later on, instead of in real time. Same with accommodations anecdotes, like Joe and Kit talking to Teen Vogue about cooking/baking.

R468

[quote]Will this start another fight on here lol

Has anyone told her she can choose to not be such a mother hen and that she can also choose not to publish these CCs? Honestly a bit annoyed that I can't point out something as innocent as Will liking Bradley's posts without it being turned into a thing. That was never meant to be any sort of commentary on Will's friendship with Joe.

[quote]Do you think Joe has a Tao among his close friends? A judgy friend?! jk/ but honestly, a friend that doesn’t necessarily embrace everyone with open arms straight away, pleasant, but not eager to please, and serves no ‘free passes’. For better or worse, I am that protective friend to my ride or dies. Tbh, I have thought I recognized those qualities in Joe. I know he had mentioned childhood friends attended events and vacation together recently. Just wondered if someone in HS, or this wider circle, seemed like such a person.

Why do these freaks view everything through the lense of the show?

The fact that she thinks she’s funny here is genuinely a bit sad for me

R474 A millennial in the most derogatory sense.

R474 Ugh, she really can’t let go of dead and gone jokes.

Someone ran into Kit, Tobie, and Will together apparently.

R477 feud confirmed

R478 I mean even so they are professional and they’ll act the part when they need to

Oh you’re joking. My bad, I need sleep

R480 very much joking yes

Joe was probably hanging out with Eric or something, he probably didn't have time to during the week.

I don’t speak French but if that guy is actually saying he saw them in smoking area, Joe could have been at the same venue with them, just not smoking (which tracks).

R477 Good for them - last time we heard about them going out together was September. Also, for all we know Joe (and other cast members) might have been inside the club. No need to go out in the cold if you don’t smoke

R482 Doubt he‘d hang with Eric in the early morning hours

R483 Hive mind… but yeah, I‘d guess Joe is gonna take any opportunity to party with his friends since it’s probably one of the last ones he‘ll get before leaving for the US.

R484 Tobie smokes?

R486 Not that I know of

R486 not usually I don’t think, but I guess it’s possible he smokes when he’s drinking

Think the stage door stalking will be limited for awhile. Joe isn't as well known here in the US as some believe. If Agatha were out, it would be a different story. But he is still a relatively unknown here. It should give him enough space to enjoy being on Broadway without it becoming too overwhelmed with crashed fans.

*crazed fans

Cupid Joe and Kit did well here

Or. They could be doing the photoshoot in character like professionals?

Does this mean that they know there will be season 4 or that they don't know?

R493 This might be a weird answer, but I would say we can't necessarily tell. My guess is that she wanted to answer a question about how the books are being split for the TV show because she saw fans concerned about how volumes 4 and 5 are being grouped together in one season. I could see her not knowing if the show's been renewed as easily as I could see her knowing, but obviously not announcing that kind of thing via a Tumblr ask.

R494 it's not a weird answer at all, I have the same feeling, it's hard to know if there will be season 4 or not

R493 Probably eventually. Nick and Charlie is pretty dated and TV nick and Charlie aren't fucking morons like they are so assume things will change. Like I can't imagine Charlie having a tumblr account and the explanation as to why Nick couldn't see the pics Charlie was sending makes no sense.

I get her point about 4 and 5 going together, just wish she wouldn't have dragged shit out so much last season. Enjoy that she knows people are bothered though.

The girl that saw the guys last night tweeted a couple of more times, said they were 5 meters away from her, that she finished her cigarette and as she was going back into the club told them she loves what they do and to have a good evening. Someone asked her if Joe or any other cast members were with them and she said she didn't see him.

[quote][bold]omnipotentharry asked: Because you’ve already written the Nick and Charlie Novella, do you find it difficult to navigate the characters changing and developing so much (especially Nick) in Volume 5 while also trying to make sure the characters still make sense in the context of the Novella? Or is my timeline off lol[/bold]

[quote]I think the honest answer is that the novella was written in 2015, which was before I started creating Heartstopper, and so the Nick and Charlie in that book, and the story in that book, doesn't always align with the Nick and Charlie of Heartstopper that I have curated over the past 7 years... and I am completely fine and okay with that. While I absolutely do try and stay as true as I can to the canon of my previous works - Solitaire, Nick and Charlie, and This Winter - I don't treat them like absolute law. I am completely happy to sacrifice small elements of characterisation or plot in order to make Heartstopper a better story. Having to stick exactly without fail to stories I wrote 8+ years ago would be feel limiting and frustrating to me! But saying that, much of Volume 5 does set up a lot of the central conflict of Nick and Charlie. Which was intentional! While the Nick and Charlie story won't be covered in Heartstopper (because repeating myself is boring and unnecessary!) Vol 6 will most likely explore some of the events surrounding it and the themes that are covered in it.

One of the comments on the whole Charlie/bash muse interaction on tiktok is someone saying that their friend saw bash on Raya last week. Not at all a bad thing and I definitely support it, but it kills me how his few fans like to think he and Charlie are as serious and monogamous as he and joe were

Gonna guess as others have said that Joe was perhaps inside. His tiny perpetually cold ass is not gonna stand in the smoking area unless he needs to lbr

Absolutely insane that Alice dragged volume 3 out to be a full season and is having all of volume 4 and 5 in one season. I don’t care that she’s saying Charlie’s mental health is the through line: I don’t believe her, and I think she is absolutely time jumping his hospitalization which is fucked up

R499 Not the first time someone has seen him there.

Not sure if Joe was there. Feel he would have followed the guys out anyway since who wants to be left alone in a club. Who leaves a twink alone in the wild.

R500 I wouldn't be surprised if a chunk of the cast went out after they did press and Joe was inside with like, Cori and Kizzy or something.

R499 Cracking up. Here's a screenshot so that everyone isn't forced to hear Charlie's mediocre music. This is also the second Raya mention so it's definitely true.

R502 it’s possible it wasn’t just the four guys there though. If say, cori or Fisayo or someone was also there, he might’ve stayed in with them. I’d be fairly surprised if he declined to go out with them

R503 Delilah is bold as fuck

R503 if I was the muse for something as mid as Charlie’s music or bashs acting I wouldn’t take it as a compliment sorry to say

I’ve realized that my enjoyment of the show is less about the arcs and more about specific scenes, so I’m looking forward to the big Nick and Charlie fight in S4. Joe and Kit are going to kill that shit.

R507 they will, and I’m not going to revive the fight with the person passionately insisting Nick wasn’t the s2 main character, but it’s a shame that it’s Charlie centric scenes and plotlines that’ll get shortened and not others (not even nicks, but frankly Idgaf about Imogen, Isaac, etc).

Don't quote me on this since I'm not aware of cast locations beyond maybe Joe in Soho, but this place could be close to Kit and Tobie's area of London, right? Could have been a last stop for the night before going home.

R501 It'll probably be similar to the comics where Charlie's sessions with Geoff continue past the hospitalization. As soon as we got the first Vol 5 spoilers for S3, I had a feeling they were going for the thematic bookend of Charlie's discomfort in his body at the beach in the premiere vs. Charlie's new confidence in his body at the summer fête in the finale. I can't predict how they'll do everything in the middle to build to that, but the passage of time tends to work better in adaptations. I doubt it'll be just like the comic pages.

R509 sure but I still dislike that we spent 8 episodes dithering about without fleshing out Charlie’s mental health issues and now in 8 episodes charlie hits rock bottom, Nick realizes he still self harms and has anorexia (because in the show unlike the comic Charlie lies that he’s ok), his parents find out, he spirals worse, he goes to hospital, he gets out, he nearly relapses at Christmas, he works on his recovery with Geoff, and over the course of SEVERAL MONTHS gets the body confidence to have sex, play with a band, etc. all that alone would frankly be almost too much for one season, but then you add in Tori and Michael, Nick at uni, imogens sapphic journey, tao and Elle; Isaac’s ace adventures; Tara and darcy? It’s insane. And annoying. And I really hope people stop saying trust Alice because she is clearly a moron

R509 Will (and probably Kit) are still based out of Croydon, I think? But I wouldn't rule that out entirely, either. It would remind me of Joe's birthday. We wouldn't have known that Joe was with Kit and Tobie the day after if they hadn't posted because only Kit and Tobie were spotted together.

R508 She could have done something as simple as had Charlie struggle in a scene or two alone, but oh well. Not getting into that argument again either

R509 Yeah, that's near where they usually are. I thought they went to a club, not a restaurant. I'm slow

R512 The place has club nights, I think that's why the girl called it a club.

R512 it’s a restaurant that does “club nights” Friday and Saturday

Need a Joe in the wild spotting. I’d be surprised if he doesn’t see Eric while he’s here

It is funny that after Charlie fans on Twitter were upset that s3 seemed to be focused on more than volume 4 content, crunchy and co started up with their condescending “obviously they’re filming two seasons at once, you all cause drama for nothing” bullshit. And now that it’s confirmed that s3 is 4 and 5, her response isn’t “yeah my bad that’s annoying”, it’s to say she can’t wait for a specific Nick line in s4. They really dgaf about Charlie or joe. Annoying heifers

Random question: do we actually have a picture of tobie carrying joe?

R516 Last slide.

R517 ah yes. Thank you, princess treatment as he deserves

R517 need a princess carry

R514 Almost positive they've hung out by now

R517 Joe's comment is finally showing up for me at the top.

R510 I don't disagree that it's tons of material to cover. The main issue is that Heartstopper doesn't have consistent coverage of time each season, so it's hard to judge until we see each season. S1 roughly covered 6 months, S2 roughly covered 3 months (or 2.5, even) and several S2 episodes only spanned a single day in Paris. S3 is shaping up to cover practically an entire year.

I think some episodes will cover a small chunk of time, like the beach day; the winter holidays; and then the uni tours + the summer fête. Otherwise, other episodes will probably cover several months at a time. We're pretty in the dark about anything that didn't involve exterior filming, but it does appear like Joe has been working extremely hard and practically every day of filming, aside from the uni tours.

The uni tours are definitely Nick-centric but he talks to Charlie throughout, like the FaceTime convo where he sees Charlie partially shirtless, and the comic itself shows you what Charlie is doing with his band and his family. So I've personally not felt the worry that Nick's uni tours are taking up Charlie screen time. I don't know how they'll do it in the show itself, but to me, it just feels like your typical co-leads arc where both romantic interests have their own stories that meet in the middle.

I'm not saying any of this to say that people can't be pessimistic, just that we can't conclude too much based on the filming snippets we've seen. It'll come down to how they're paced via editing, and I do personally think Heartstopper has pretty good editing. Add the good acting and I'm slightly more optimistic than most people, but definitely reserve judgement. If nothing else, I hope some episodes go for longer runtimes like the prom ep.

R521 honestly I have less issue with nick having other plot lines (though I resent Charlie not having them s2) because he’s a coleads. It’s the many many side characters that will piss me off. Wish I had your optimism but after seeing Alice get shocked and annoyed people thought s2 didn’t give Charlie equal time, I’m not

R522 That's fair, and reminds me that I've seen other people phrase it as S2 maybe doing its job too well with Charlie? As in, the focus was there, but because he hides it and deflects to focus on Nick's well-being, he can even trick the audience. I've watched a fair number of reactors that are unaware of the comics and 9 times out of 10, I did find that they picked up on it. Sometimes through Joe's acting, sometimes through more subtle dialogue like Charlie refusing food at Nick's house and then telling his dad that he doesn't want dinner because he ate at Nick's. Way back in the S1 finale, a lot of the same reactors seemed to get a ping from Charlie refusing Tori's offer of pizza.

It's tricky because some of his mental health is wrapped up in anxiety about other people's health and happiness. I really enjoyed the conversation between Nick and Tao in the S2 finale for that reason, and for anyone that was missing some cues, it spelled things out before the big convo at the end of the episode.

It's this cyclical thing where Charlie is worried about Nick, but Nick is worried about Charlie worrying too much about Nick and forgetting about himself. Charlie pushes that aside and says Nick is what matters. It's obviously a symptom and not something to root for, which is why it really does suck when people take it at face value and think it's the Nick show. Nick himself would disagree. We'll definitely have to see how S3 handles the transition to Charlie's arc driving the main plot.

Again, an observation from reactors, but so many people fell in love with him at the start of S1 and instantly wanted to protect him. I'm talking gay reactors, too. I just like to remind myself that viewership exists outisde of some of the louder Twitter voices.

R522 Charlie had a plotline in S2. It’s fine if you didn’t like it and felt like she did it wrong but he had one - he was focused on making sure everything was perfect for Nick and therefore neglected his mental health. She could have added more scenes or Charlie struggling, I agree with that. Her putting Vol.4 and 5 together makes sense and her explanation makes sense. They already did the ending on season 4 in S2. There wasn’t much left to write a whole season about plus she needs to set up the final season which looks like she’ll do a time jump for.

R524 if I can’t use even slight hyperbole this is annoying. A plotline would’ve been if she included solo scenes of Charlie struggling, not something so subtle you need to read the comics to be aware of it.

R523 yeah again, I get that but the fact is extremely subtle plot lines that joe admittedly kills don’t get Emmy attention. If thought Kit winning s1 was more than fair, honestly — he killed it. But if Charlie gets no big showy moments (ex: nicks super emotional dialogue and crying at the end of s2 versus Charlie’s repression) them joe doesn’t get a shot which I find unfair.

I think at the end of the day vols 4 and 5 in one season is something that's doable (the show is roughly the length of 2 movies), but we don't know how it's going to pan out because we don't know how much time is going into the other plots. If there's too much focus on Imogen and Isaac and the teachers and other shit, it's less likely to be pulled off.

R526 it’s less s4 and 5 together, it’s more that s2 was just the somewhat meh volume 3 while two very important books are getting smashed together. Look, I would be thrilled to be wrong. Charlie is my fav character and I love joe. I think people are under the impression we want to be right but nothing would thrill me more than Charlie having an excellent plotline joe kills. It’s just given Alice was shocked and appalled people perceived nick as the primary lead of s2 when he absolutely was, and given he’s getting rock bottom to fully recovered shoved into one season when coming out took two, I have my doubts.

R526 Imogen and the teachers had maybe 15 min of screen time combined. I would not be too worried. And Ben left the show so they have more time to give other storylines. I’m really curious about the strange locations that were added to IMDB

R526 For what it's worth, Alice has already mentioned that each season will have its own vibe, and S2 was going to be the one with the most ensemble-heavy vibe. That obviously doesn't mean S3 will have no ensemble or side character plots, but I feel like the nature of the Paris trip meant they could naturally cover a bunch of characters at once. S3 won't have the exact same stage.

For the teachers, Mr. Farouk is the one that nominates Charlie for Head Boy in Vol 5. They already showed Farouk's soft spot for him at the Louvre, so it'll be cute if that continues.

YALL

R530 Aww I bet Joe was happy.

The picture is from today so feud is back off.

And why does Kit look like he's introducing his boyfriend

tw : bash’s lpsg

finally lpsg caught up to Charlie’s pathetic attempts to control his online image

R532 They need to stop with the dramatic fights already.

R527 Then don’t clog up the thread if you are incapable of seeing other perspectives. You think season 2 was all about Nick and you don’t think s3 will be about Charlie, got it. Other guys are engaging in good faith and you don’t care. Let’s move on.

R530 Kit cradling him lmao

Kit's Story, lmao.

R525 Joe has had two seasons to build Charlie quietly simmering, so I can imagine that S3 will have a lot of earned payoff when it does come out in louder scenes for him. He's already had some throughout the first two seasons, but S3 is the major tipping point. It's funny to say this since Normal People is Kit's baby, but it could end up being like the praise for Paul Mescal in that show where he's a very tightly-wound character with anxiety that has extremely rare moments of "loud" emotions. Probably the most famous one from Normal People is coincidentally from when he breaks down during a therapy session.

Relatedly I'm at the end of my rope with the mystery of Geoff's casting. I want to know so badly.

R536 stop being such a fucking dickhead. I’m being perfectly civil, sorry you’re a fucking moron who can’t read

[quote]big gay lunch

Doesn't that automatically make it a brunch?

R538 Joe looks shy/cute. I want to pick him up

The person who threw full tantrums over how kits agency is failing him, won’t shut the fuck up about it, and refuses to change his mind saying I won’t engage in good faith and am repetitive. Have to laugh. Go back to weeping over how a24 isn’t good enough for Kit and his agency is disastrous you actual moron.

they look like a married couple in the picture

Can we just talk about the picture? Please?

And I was just about to ask why Joe followed DJ Fat Tony lmao

The only thing I'll agree with is I think Charlie's storyline will be better after the show is over and you can watch everything in a row and see the payoff in S3 and aren't waiting a year to see the next part and they'll basically both be equal co-leads.

Alice still did a shit job and should have given Charlie more solo scenes in S2 though.

R544 Someone check on Vicky

Kit of holding on for dear life, no is is going to take ur man Kit

R548 False. I think a lot of people are aiming to take his man.

R548 Except for NYC apparently

David finally followed Joe back

Poor Tobie, Kit reinforcing that Joe's his #1 by taking him as his brunch date.

Bash WILL be ignoring kits next few posts!!

R547 one of her 10 or so tweets about it within the last minute

R553 He has never stopped tbf. Liked some about Kit (GQ etc) but none of Kit’s actual posts since July

R554 i mean good for her

The inside of my brain right now is just this picture over and over again.

R557Joe kinda looks like a cardboard cut out. Just something Kit carries around

Joe is beaming, I‘m stoked for him he got to go this time.

He really is beaming, slightly different version from DJ Fat Tony:

Joe finally got to meet Elton thats awesome. Also that me be the most couple looking pic we've gotten of Joe and Kit.

Embed of the new pic.

R543 Got it mate. Only Charlie stuff and Joe’s PR are worthy of complains. The rest is deemed dramatic. You’re a real moron.

Joe is literally beaming

R562 Will say all these rich people have terrible cameras on their phones

Not to sound like a frau, but they're so fucking cute. The lunch was held at Elton's place in Windsor.

I usually don't... but thought you guys would enjoy

R561 Left one isn’t bad either

Seeing the same people that would cry whenever someone would put a pie sticker over Bash now put stickers over Kit is so fucking funny. You're not going to be able to sticker Kit out of Joe's life.

R568 I just met this guy vs this is my husband

And Bradley's book signing was kinda packed.

R563 lol ok go fuck yourself or “eat a dick” idiot

R569 She is a friend of Lexxie's biphobic, nothing to expect from them and their little group.

R571 Fuck you

Coming back to those pictures…they are my Roman Empire.

Oh, is it the same sweater? Different days since the big gay lunch was today, obviously. I guess you only have to look at Kit's hair to see that the lighting in these pics isn't completely colour-accurate.

Christmas came early for Vicky.

Kit holding him both at the waist and the shoulder is so funny. He’s not going anywhere

Glad for the pic as well since it's cleared the MCU fans being fucking weirdos about a 12 year old out of Joe's searches.

R574 It has been a while tbf! And with Joe taking off soon, this might be the last crumb of them together we'll get for a while. I got hopes for some wrap day content though.

R577 It's even funnier when you realize that none of the actual couples are touching.

Will, Kizzy, Leila, and Tobie liked the picture.

People cutting Bash out of shit will never not be funny.

We all obviously know Joe got Kit in the divorce, but there's something so poetic about Joe being Kit's date to the yearly Elton dinner on the week of Bash's birthday and Kit posting himself clinging to Joe to his Stories. Especially on the heels of Kit and Bash being at the same event but there being no sign of them interacting at all.

R583 its funny. I'm one of the more pessimistic people about Joe and Kit hooking up though that's gotta be the most couplely they've ever looked.

And I'm sure Bash probably has Kit muted though not David. Until today that is. Happy birthday

Can she chill? People project weird trauma onto kit I don’t think he has

R585 What the hell is she even talking about?

Cindy going full hater and not posting the pictures to her Joe account is so funny.

R585 This is one of the rare times I kinda agree with her actually. She‘s basically saying him using that caption isn’t a big deal (guessing some people are making it one) and he has been confident in his sexuality for a long time at this point. And the coming out itself was a "horrific event" tbf. Could be shadow boxing but it’s not the craziest thing to say

The way I sprinted over here from Insta. Hands down the most coupley they have ever looked. Did they go home and have a lazy fuck after this and gossip about all the old faggots? Signs point to yes. Hilarious that in last year’s photo about four of the dudes are gripping onto Kit and this year Kit’s now the gay not letting his young gay go anywhere

I wonder now if Kit has chosen to date only men and let go of dating women. He might even currently have a FWB situation with a couple of guys. Maybe the blowback from dating Maia turned him off to women.

R587 I mean ymmv but I think she weirdly overtraumatizes everything about kit. Same way some posters turn Joe posting a thirst trap into a referendum on him learning body confidence. I think both have faced their shit but it’s way less central to their lives than crunchy and co make it out to be

R589 this is a random comment but I lowkey support it

R589 let’s not do this. He’s bi. I doubt he’s repulsed by dating women now. I think as he’s said it worries him because of comments people will make, which sucks, but us rooting for him to date only men also delegitimizes his sexuality. Being more invested in his male hookups, sure, but not projecting that he won’t date women.

R590 Generally agree but the to me tweet in question reads more like her calling people out for being overly dramatic about the caption… could be wrong though.

R592 okay fair. I withdraw my support.

* the tweet

R588 kit knows better than to leave a hot little twink alone.

I’m sort of sad there are no women in that shot because the White Lotus meme factor from last year was basically my favourite part of the holiday season

R596 wouldn’t want him to wander off

R592 Agree. I‘d guess the only way the Maia situation affected him is that he‘s extremely low-key about dating (particularly) women now, but that’s not gonna change his sexuality or who he decides to fuck/date.

Dying at the Joe/Kit holiday card.

Finding the way fans are flooding David‘s comments about Joe and Kit and "the way Kit is holding Joe“ slightly cringe. Like just keep that commentary to the fan spaces.

Kit posted on his finsta...the things we must be missing out on.

I would pay ridiculous amounts of money just for a peek in there