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BBC Streisand interview: many of the men she worked with were either out to get her or were madly in love with her (or both)

Barbra Streisand has discussed her early experiences with sexism, including an incident with Sydney Chaplin that contributed to the stage fright that stopped her playing concerts for 27 years, before the release of her memoir.

The singer and actor recalled her fraught relationship with Charlie Chaplin’s son when they both starred in Funny Girl on Broadway in the 1960s.

“I don’t even like to talk about it,” Streisand, 81, told the BBC before the release of My Name Is Barbra. “It’s just a person who had a crush on me, – which was unusual – and when I said to him, ‘I don’t want to be involved with you’, he turned on me in such a way that was very cruel.

“He started muttering under his breath while I was talking on stage. Terrible words. Curse words. And he wouldn’t look into my eyes anymore. And you know, when you’re acting, it’s really important to look at the other person, and react to them.”

The experience, Streisand said, left her “flustered” and contributed to her quitting live performance. But throughout her career, she said she also encountered other male collaborators who proved problematic.

These included Walter Matthau, who humiliated her on the set of Hello, Dolly! by screaming: “I have more talent in my farts than you have in your whole body”; and Frank Pierson, who publicly rubbished the 1976 version of A Star is Born (which he directed), calling Streisand a control freak who constantly demanded more closeups.

Streisand’s book also lists the men who became entranced by her, such as Omar Sharif, who wrote long, passionate letters begging her to leave her husband; King Charles (then Prince Charles), who described her as “devastatingly attractive” with “great sex appeal”; and Marlon Brando, who introduced himself by kissing the back of her neck, saying: “You can’t have a back like that and not have it kissed.”

treisand, who had been writing her memoir for almost a quarter of a century, also addressed insults about her appearance in her early career. “Even after all these years, I’m still hurt by the insults and can’t quite believe the praise,” she told the BBC.

Despite her considerable success, including 150m records sold, nine Golden Globes, four Emmys and two Oscars (for acting and songwriting), Streisand said she felt little happiness when looking back at her life.

“I want to live life,” she said. “I want to get in my husband’s truck [the actor James Brolin] and just wander, hopefully with the children somewhere near us … I haven’t had much fun in my life, to tell you the truth, and I want to have more fun.”

Streisand discussed the death of her father from a cerebral haemorrhage when she was 15 months old, leaving the family in poverty. Her mother’s new husband, a used-car salesman, was distant and cruel.

“I don’t remember him ever talking to me or asking me any questions,” she said. “I was never seen by him – [nor] by my mother. She didn’t see my passion for wanting to be an actress. She discouraged me.” (cont.)

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by Anonymousreply 132November 13, 2023 6:15 AM

(cont.) Streisand left home at 16 and took a job as a clerk while working weekend shifts as a theatre usher so she could keep up with the latest Broadway shows.

“I got paid $4.50, I think it was, but I always hid my face because I thought someday I’d be well-known,” she said. “Isn’t that funny? I didn’t want people to recognise me on the screen and know that I once showed them to their seats.”

Her dream of stardom began to come true in 1960, when she entered a talent contest for the prize of $50 and dinner. That night, she said, the girlfriend of the comedian Tiger Haynes told her: “Little girl, I see dollar signs all over you.”

Winning the contest led to Streisand being booked to play shows around Greenwich Village in New York, and she was soon receiving standing ovations in clubs and bars. But her true breakout role was in the Broadway and later film adaption of Funny Girl, which earned Streisand her first Oscar.

After that, her trajectory was remarkable as she starred in films including What’s Up, Doc?, The Owl and the Pussycat, and The Way We Were. In a parallel recording career, she scored hits including Woman in Love, Evergreen and No More Tears (Enough Is Enough), becoming the second biggest-selling female artist of all time.

In 1983, Streisand also made her directorial debut with Yentl, the first Hollywood movie where a woman was the writer, producer, director and star.

She said when she came to England for the film shoot, she found the country far less sexist than the US. “You had a queen and Margaret Thatcher was the prime minister. In other words, you weren’t intimidated by me being a woman. In America, I sadly tell you, it was so different. The people were cold; aloof.”

Although her memoir works to dispel the diva myth that’s surrounded her, Streisand also recalled moments of star behaviour, such as the time she phoned up the Apple CEO, Tim Cook, to complain that the iPhone was pronouncing her name wrong.

“My name isn’t spelt with a ‘Z’,” she said. “It’s Strei-sand, like sand on the beach. How simple can you get? And Tim Cook was so lovely. He had Siri change the pronunciation … I guess that’s one perk of fame!”

by Anonymousreply 1November 7, 2023 12:47 AM

[quote] She said when she came to England for the film shoot, she found the country far less sexist than the US. “You had a queen and Margaret Thatcher was the prime minister. In other words, you weren’t intimidated by me being a woman. In America, I sadly tell you, it was so different. The people were cold; aloof.”

Stupid Americans! How dare we fail her.

If only Margaret Thatcher and the Queen had ruled here instead of in the UK!

by Anonymousreply 2November 7, 2023 12:49 AM

Babs has only had sex twice in her life.

by Anonymousreply 3November 7, 2023 12:50 AM

How many other hot (and conveniently dead) costars were utterly besotted with Babs? This book sounds insufferable.

by Anonymousreply 4November 7, 2023 1:05 AM

She is beyond delusional.

by Anonymousreply 5November 7, 2023 1:06 AM

She's so full of herself no man can fit anything in her

by Anonymousreply 6November 7, 2023 1:09 AM

I'll break with the prevailing sentiment in this thread. From Matthau's insults to Chaplin dealing poorly with rejection to Brando being a shameless whore, none of this is too hard for me to believe.

by Anonymousreply 7November 7, 2023 1:12 AM

Most straight men are pigs, I believe her.

by Anonymousreply 8November 7, 2023 1:33 AM

[quote] From Matthau's insults to Chaplin dealing poorly with rejection to Brando being a shameless whore, none of this is too hard for me to believe.

[italic]Really??[/italic]

You really believe King Charles was "entranced" with her??

by Anonymousreply 9November 7, 2023 1:47 AM

She a lovely upper register. Then it was gone.

by Anonymousreply 10November 7, 2023 1:54 AM

R6 = 🔥 🔥 🔥

by Anonymousreply 11November 7, 2023 1:58 AM

I've always thought that in her youth, Streisand was very attractive, even sexy in an oddball kind of way. She just had something about her. She certainly wasn't conventionally beautiful but there was a freshness to her, a glow, that others didn't have. Plus, there was her voice, which somehow managed to elevate her appearance. She was also very feminine and I think that bled over into her looks as well.

by Anonymousreply 12November 7, 2023 1:58 AM

[quote]You really believe King Charles was "entranced" with her??

Yes, R9. When it comes to King Charles, Barbra's not saying anything that hasn't already been discussed in detail by at least one of his biographers. This should surprise no one. Certainly she was more charismatic than Camilla.

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by Anonymousreply 13November 7, 2023 2:01 AM

As far as the Walter Matthau quote is concerned, I'd always heard it as, "[a] butterfly has more talent in its farts then you have in your entire body."

by Anonymousreply 14November 7, 2023 2:03 AM

With apologies to the Murdoch trolls, here's a New York Post overview of the King's alleged attraction to Barbra, including photos of them together over the years.

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by Anonymousreply 15November 7, 2023 2:07 AM

The thing I like best about Barbra Streisand is James Brolin.

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by Anonymousreply 16November 7, 2023 2:35 AM

A person like this sees what they want. If someone was indifferent to her she'd convince herself that it was because they had it out for her or were avoiding her because they were completely obsessed with her.

by Anonymousreply 17November 7, 2023 3:47 AM

I can believe that King Charles was attracted to Babs. Look who he ended up with - Camilla.

Babs was way more attractive than Camilla, when they were both young.

by Anonymousreply 18November 7, 2023 3:55 AM

Narcissists always believe everyone else is always thinking about them.

by Anonymousreply 19November 7, 2023 3:57 AM

It’s strange it doesn’t occur to her that some costars hate her because she’s a steamrolling control freak who’s only out for herself.

Coworkers in any industry would find that distasteful.

by Anonymousreply 20November 7, 2023 4:02 AM

Just recently, I saw a list of the biggest assholes in Hollywood, past and present.

Charlie Chaplin topped the list (Mickey Rooney was runner up).

So I dont find it strange at all that his son would be a major douche as well.

by Anonymousreply 21November 7, 2023 4:14 AM

[quote] So I dont find it strange at all that his son would be a major douche as well.

Wait. What??

Here in the modern era, we don't believe the sins of the father are necessarily repeated in the child. Otherwise we would have electrocuted (or at least locked up) Stalin's daughter when she defected.

by Anonymousreply 22November 7, 2023 4:33 AM

^^ It has to do with what they saw growing up, what was deemed acceptable.

Could even be genetic.

by Anonymousreply 23November 7, 2023 4:38 AM

[quote] When it comes to King Charles, Barbra's not saying anything that hasn't already been discussed in detail by at least one of his biographers. This should surprise no one.

R7 King Charles was also great friends with Joan Rivers. Maybe he has a thing for Jewish women from Brooklyn.

by Anonymousreply 24November 7, 2023 4:45 AM

Oops, I meant R13, not R7.

by Anonymousreply 25November 7, 2023 4:48 AM

Streisand was invited by Charles to visit Highgrove and spend the night there. According to Kitty Kelley he told a friend that Streisand was “daft” after her assistant called in advance of her arrival and told his staff she was to only have white flowers in her bedroom and that she wanted an egg white omelette for breakfast.

In the Jonathan Dimbleby book, Charles was quoted as saying her attractiveness had waned.

by Anonymousreply 26November 7, 2023 5:06 AM

R21 where did you see that list? It sounds interesting.

I remember seeing an interview with her where she told the interviewer that she was on a shot and they had to put down tape and signs pointing her from set to her trailer, because she was too stupid to figure out how to get to it. This is even WITH a set PA walking with her.

She, like Cher, baffles me. She just seems too stupid and weird to live. I HATE her nasal voice and her odd personality.

by Anonymousreply 27November 7, 2023 5:35 AM

She’s denying that she and Sydney Chaplin never fucked when other sources swear they did?

Sydney Chaplin had a reputation for bedding his leading ladies.

by Anonymousreply 28November 7, 2023 5:47 AM

^ever, not never.

by Anonymousreply 29November 7, 2023 5:51 AM

[QUOTE]Charlie Chaplin topped the list (Mickey Rooney was runner up). So I dont find it strange at all that his son would be a major douche as well.

Chaplin Sr. had a well-known predilection for underage girls, as well as rape. He married 18 y.o. Oona O'Neil at 18 after ploughing through many.

Why would it be such a stretch to think that his famous son might be the same or even more entitled than his father? Sid actually heard a woman forthright saying no and it must have made his blood boil. He could not receive the same entitlements a his knighted father.

But, of course, Streisand is the narcissist in this scenario. I think Datalounge has more virulent incels than it cares to admit. Imagine an incel gay men. They live and breathe among us.

by Anonymousreply 30November 7, 2023 6:00 AM

[quote]I haven’t had much fun in my life, to tell you the truth, and I want to have more fun.”

Jesus, lighten up, lady.

by Anonymousreply 31November 7, 2023 6:13 AM

Messed up editing at r30. He married 18 year old Oona O'Neill when he was 54. Their marriage lasted until his death likely because Viagra (or antibiotics) wasn't available in the '40s

by Anonymousreply 32November 7, 2023 6:18 AM

Interesting that Barbra's thread at Lipstick Alley on her memoir is receiving kinder responses than the ones here.

by Anonymousreply 33November 7, 2023 6:28 AM

[quote]How many other hot (and conveniently dead) costars were utterly besotted with Babs?

We do not know. What we do know is, there were none, living OR dead, more besotted with her than herself.

by Anonymousreply 34November 7, 2023 12:34 PM

[quote] But, of course, Streisand is the narcissist in this scenario. I think Datalounge has more virulent incels than it cares to admit. Imagine an incel gay men. They live and breathe among us.

Spare us the high-dudgeon performance, princess.

by Anonymousreply 35November 7, 2023 1:09 PM

R31-I couldn't agree more. I guess being perhaps one of the greatest and most popular (not to mention one of the wealthiest) entertainers of the 20th Century, wasn't much fun? Would she have had more fun as a Brooklyn housewife or working Mom struggling to pay the bills? Did her amazing, multi-award winning career provide her with so little happiness or contentment?

I guess close to 60 years of therapy really haven't helped her achieve much self- acceptance or self-awareness. Yes, losing her father at such a young age surely must have been extremely traumatic for her. She seems especially bitter towards her Mom not being affectionate and loving. But honestly, it was a different time-most parents in that era were not touchy-feely and had trouble expressing love verbally.

As a woman now in her eighties, can she perhaps try and detach herself from that horrible tragedy, and look at it from her mother's point of view? A 34 year old widow left with 2 small children to raise? Is it any wonder her Mom was cold and distant? She had to worry about paying the rent and putting food on the table for herself and her kids.

It's extremely hard to believe that James Brolin has been able to put up with her neediness and hunger for approval for more than 25 years. He must have the patience of a saint. Is it all a very well rehearsed, well- scripted act they are putting on for the cameras? Is he that good an actor? At this point, he can't be sticking around just for the money? Does he get some kind of psychological thrill and ego boost by being "Mr. Barbra Streisand"? Whatever sexual "attraction" he might have felt for her at the beginning of their relationship, must have faded years ago.

I find it a little odd that in addition to her parents, she didn't dedicate the book to her son. Are they perhaps not as close as we've been led to believe?

by Anonymousreply 36November 7, 2023 1:57 PM

[quote]But honestly, it was a different time-most parents in that era were not touchy-feely and had trouble expressing love verbally.

Exactly! And then you try tactile and everybody's all oh, that's not right.

by Anonymousreply 37November 7, 2023 2:15 PM

[quote] He married 18 y.o. Oona O'Neil at 18

When she was 18.

But was she 18?

by Anonymousreply 38November 7, 2023 2:38 PM

I 100% believe the bit about Charles lusting after her. Goyim men (particularly WASPs) fetishize the crap out of Jewish women. There's this stereotype that's persisted for hundreds of years that they're innately more wild and kinky in bed than the shiksas (Freud famously posited this theory in the Story of Dora). Plus, they're just different and exotic enough to intrigue while still being white-passing.

by Anonymousreply 39November 7, 2023 10:19 PM

Speaking to the BBC about her new book, Streisand revealed that back in 2016, Apple’s Siri function was mispronouncing her name, saying it as “Streizand” instead of the softer “Streisand”. “My name isn’t spelled with a ‘Z,’” she explained. “It’s Strei-sand, like sand on the beach. How simple can you get?” This led to Streisand calling up Apple CEO Tim Cook to flag the error in hopes that it would get fixed. “I figured I better call Apple, I mean the head of Apple, Tim Cook. And he had Siri change the pronunciation of my name to be correct. That’s one perk of fame,” she revealed.

by Anonymousreply 40November 7, 2023 10:41 PM

R39 Well, I can certainly tell that Goyim men didn’t have Jewish mothers if that’s what they believe.

by Anonymousreply 41November 8, 2023 12:03 AM

Do we think hubs James and son Jason will hook up after she dies, just to stay out of court and keep the fortune together?

Maybe they already have midnight meetings in the mall.

by Anonymousreply 42November 8, 2023 12:08 AM

She's been married to James Brolin for quite a few years and now she's saying she hasn't had much fun in her life. Poor Jimmy.

by Anonymousreply 43November 8, 2023 12:16 AM

Actually, she did many concerts after Broadway. She's said her stage fright started after forgetting lyrics during the Central Park. The conductor had to yell the words to her.

by Anonymousreply 44November 8, 2023 12:19 AM

She sounds like a real jerk.

by Anonymousreply 45November 8, 2023 12:43 AM

R41 I mean..if they had Jewish mothers they wouldn't be Goyim.

by Anonymousreply 46November 8, 2023 12:47 AM

I love her. I had such a crush on her in "What's up, Doc". I absolutely believe her. Whispering curses on stage - what a dick move.

by Anonymousreply 47November 8, 2023 6:21 AM

She's been getting Brolin cock all of these years, so she must have something special going on. Magic pussy?

by Anonymousreply 48November 8, 2023 6:25 AM

R46 Yeah, it was meant to be an ironic joke, but it was pretty contorted. Gotta try those things out on the road before putting them on DL.

by Anonymousreply 49November 8, 2023 6:41 AM

Please. James Brolin is a sexy god. Babs is 1000 x lucky his cock shadow fell on her.

by Anonymousreply 50November 8, 2023 7:49 AM

I'm surprised she said she hasn't had much fun in life, because, I mean really she hasn't worked full-time in decades, so it's not as if she hasn't had the time...

by Anonymousreply 51November 8, 2023 2:50 PM

I'm not surprised Barbra hasn't had a fun life. She has a rotten attitude! "Poor me, poor me, I'm such a victim, nobody has suffered as I have..." Miserable people like her are unhappy and they spread unhappiness. It's got nothing to do with her circumstances, which are extraordinary, and everything to do with her attitude.

by Anonymousreply 52November 8, 2023 7:04 PM

It looks like her ex Jon Peters is the one Sharon Stone said showed her his penis.

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by Anonymousreply 53November 8, 2023 7:23 PM

Walter Matthau was a well known asshole. In the Mike Nichols bio written by Mark Harris there's a section about the rehearsals for the original Broadway production of THE ODD COUPLE, and Matthau was constantly trying to undermine co-star Art Carney, who was a recovering alcoholic. Nichols couldn't stand him (Matthau).

I assume Matthau didn't pull this kind of crap with Jack Lemmon, since the latter was the bigger star.

by Anonymousreply 54November 8, 2023 7:31 PM

Barbra is coming across as rather insufferable in this promotional tour.

Incapable of accepting the fact that people like her for her talent and not her unpleasant personality and ugly mug, she has twisted herself into pretzels to justify anyone's unusual reaction to her person as either envy or unbridled desire. Her fragile ego cannot take the possibility that maybe she was in the wrong, or that people disliked her or were indifferent to her: everyone has to adore her and if they don't, it's because they're trying to hide their passionate love for her, or are green with envy at her evident superiority. How utterly pathetic of her to still behave like a delusional, narcissistic teenager at 81.

R20, she completely lacks self-awareness or enough intelligence to understand what you're saying. It's ALL about her ALL the time, and there's no space in her life for anything that challenges the image she has of herself. Moreover, the fact that this stupid old cow would be praising an evil cunt like Margaret Thatcher, who was a war criminal, an economic terrorist and a heartless Malthusian ogre, is beyond shameful. Think before you open your gigantic horse mouth, you idiot!

R9, if Charles could be entranced by Camilla and be madly in love with her for most of his life, it isn't too far-fetched to believe that he fancied Barbra. He clearly likes his women ugly and with horsey traits (Camilla's horrible teeth, Barbra's hideous nose and mouth).

And R18, Barbra has never been more attractive than Camilla. If you say that she has more talent and charisma in one of her false eyelashes than Camilla has in her entire body, I will believe you. But Barbra has always been a troll, and so is Camilla. Their ugliness is pretty evenly matched.

by Anonymousreply 55November 8, 2023 7:46 PM

More like Magic Purse, R48. She's infinitely wealthier than Brolin and he hasn't had to worry about needing to work since he married her.

by Anonymousreply 56November 8, 2023 7:48 PM

Stop the BS threads dumbass!

by Anonymousreply 57November 8, 2023 7:55 PM

[quote] King Charles (then Prince Charles), who described her as “devastatingly attractive” with “great sex appeal”

She is/she does. ♥️

by Anonymousreply 58November 8, 2023 8:16 PM

r53 There is A LOT going on in that photo.

by Anonymousreply 59November 8, 2023 11:11 PM

I only have one question: How thick is the cock of James Brolin?

by Anonymousreply 60November 8, 2023 11:13 PM

Brolin may not have to work but he does. Pretty constantly.

by Anonymousreply 61November 8, 2023 11:55 PM

R55=Roslyn Kind

by Anonymousreply 62November 9, 2023 3:13 AM

[quote]Streisand left home at 16 and took a job as a clerk while working weekend shifts as a theatre usher so she could keep up with the latest Broadway shows.

I previously read that she moved from Brooklyn to Manhattan at 15-16 years old. But at 16, wasn't she still in high school in Brooklyn? I also read that she did graduate from Erasmus High in Brooklyn. So what's with this "moving out" when she was only 16? Did she take the train back and forth to high school for her junior and/or senior high school years?

by Anonymousreply 63November 9, 2023 3:40 AM

I believe every word. Almost any actress or female singer in the business will tell you it’s a man’s world- and she proceeded to do exactly what men (powerful stars) do- direct, produce and otherwise take control of her work, all her work- from the get go. They didn’t like it and many still don’t. Not hard to believe that men in positions of power or leading men she worked with (in clouding studio musicians, grips, etc) saw her as either a pain in the neck because she wanted control, or a sexual object. As a 70 year old gay man (me) who had a career in the world of academic health care at some of the most prestigious medical schools in the nation, I can tell you how I was treated by the old boys club and I observed how a few women crashing the club were treated- the women constantly fended off their horny male peers. Gay men and women have common ground in these settings in terms of being taken seriously. It’s gotten better- but there’s still a long way to go.

by Anonymousreply 64November 9, 2023 4:01 AM

I love Barbra beyond measure despite hearing all of her 'woah is me stories' over the years.

A couple of things stand out about these well-worn stories: Yes, her mother was cold and unemotional. However, as a mature woman, can't Barbra see that before her mother remarried, her mother was a single mother just trying to get by, and deal with their poverty living conditions as has been reported in those early years? There probably wasn't much for her mother about which to be happy and cheerful. Give the woman a break.

Secondly, when she first met James Brolin, the first thing she said to him was. "Who fucked up your hair?" And she thought that comment was perfectly fine because she was being "honest" as she likes to say. On the other hand, where was her tact and manners? At the time, Babs was in her 50s. She and Brolin didn't know each other. Why would that be the first thing she would say to a fellow dinner guest? Barbra dear, some things are better left unsaid especially if you don't like someone's hair. Whatever, happened to a simple, "Nice to meet you."

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by Anonymousreply 65November 9, 2023 4:13 AM

[quote]But at 16, wasn't she still in high school in Brooklyn? I also read that she did graduate from Erasmus High in Brooklyn. So what's with this "moving out" when she was only 16?

In the book she says she graduated from high school in January 1959, when she was 16, and got an apartment in Manhattan with her friend Susan soon after that, when she was still 16.

by Anonymousreply 66November 9, 2023 4:15 AM

R64. Good point. It's gotten better for gay men in the business world, but in the 1960s, the straight good ol' boys network treated gay men like shit. Same with women. It's not something you easily forget when looking back on your life and how difficult things were when trying to make it. It's hard enough without that often impenetrable discrimination.

by Anonymousreply 67November 9, 2023 4:19 AM

R66. If Barbra graduated from high school at 16, then she graduated early. She must have been smart or very driven to get it all done by 16. She knew what she wanted and wasted no time going out there to get it.

by Anonymousreply 68November 9, 2023 4:21 AM

[quote] As a 70 year old gay man (me) who had a career in the world of academic health care at some of the most prestigious medical schools in the nation, I can tell you how I was treated by the old boys club

R64 Whoa, for a second I thought I sleep-wrote your post, For me, the isolation of the closet was damaging, except that having little social/sexual/family life meant I worked more, which is usually rewarded in academia no matter who you are.

I met and worked with a number of folks with strong personalities, both male and female and saw different responses from certain Division Chiefs/Department Chairs over the decades. Generally, the older the boss, the worse it was for the women. That sometimes created escalating battles when a strong-willed person like Barbra was involved.

My observation has been that when the oldest bosses die off or are involuntarily deposed from their positions of authority, they are usually replaced with younger men that have more ability to treat women with respect.

by Anonymousreply 69November 9, 2023 5:11 AM

She had top marks throughout high school, and she said the principal contacted her mother to ask why she wasn't applying for college; her mother wasn't concerned about her furthering her education, and Barbra was driven to pursue an acting career immediately (she said she knew she would succeed and become famous), so off she went to Manhattan.

by Anonymousreply 70November 9, 2023 5:28 AM

Chaplin's behavior was so appalling during Funny Girl (under his breath on stage 'nose nose') he was fired but financially he kept his salary for the length of his contract.

But in biographies on her there are examples of her cruelty and coldness for no reason and general annoyance with many people. I'm sure there is nothing of this in her book.Notice there are many many people who worked with her and there is little praise for her as a colleague or person. Except by her.

by Anonymousreply 71November 9, 2023 6:12 AM

One good thing watching Kahn's performance in Doc she said I'm a supporting player in my own movie. Kahn said she was cool to her during the production.

by Anonymousreply 72November 9, 2023 6:16 AM

R51 - she worked on her book for the last 10 years. Actors and singers don't work full-time anyway.

by Anonymousreply 73November 9, 2023 6:28 AM

Streisand on meeting JFK. Merv Griffin is in the background.

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by Anonymousreply 74November 10, 2023 6:35 AM

R64, I'm only up to the I Can Get It For You Wholesale section. it seems to me that she is also very complimentary of the many men who were genuinely kind and helpful, and who altered her life for the better. So far, these outnumber the mean and predatory by far, though she seems to give more ink to the nasty ones.

She does say several times that men were a mystery to her and she had a hard time understanding them. She attributes this to her father's absence. Part of me thinks that eventually you figure it out, then again, I can often tell when a woman had a good relationship with the males in their life when growing up.

by Anonymousreply 75November 10, 2023 11:58 AM

I have always found Barbra extremely overrated and full of herself.

by Anonymousreply 76November 10, 2023 1:07 PM

^Hi Lainie!

by Anonymousreply 77November 10, 2023 1:37 PM

Exhausting.

by Anonymousreply 78November 10, 2023 1:41 PM

Actually that is not remotely true- almost all her co stars, directors, producers and musicians like her a lot and continued working with throughout her career, and remain friends. What you are missing is how resentful the old boy network in all entertainment is of women like her. The sabb my e is true in academia, healthcare, law, and banking. Streisand never set out to do anything that men in her business were doing.

I’ve read a couple Streisand bios. They are remarkable for what they get wrong about the basics. Mostly they make up themes that fit the stereotypes of power and gifted women- ball busters etc. I would come away from these bios thinking, if you don’t know basic information about her work, why then would you be accurate on much else?

by Anonymousreply 79November 10, 2023 2:58 PM

“Weren’t already doing”

by Anonymousreply 80November 10, 2023 2:59 PM

Hi Babs at R79.

Or is it Jason? Or Josh?

by Anonymousreply 81November 10, 2023 5:27 PM

OK but is there any new dish in the book, because we knew all the stuff about Chaplin, Matthau, Shariff before?

by Anonymousreply 82November 10, 2023 5:38 PM

Did we know that Jon Peters' therapist (who also became Barbra's therapist) warned her that "Jon is a gonif!"?

by Anonymousreply 83November 10, 2023 5:48 PM

After attending a screening of “What’s Up Doc?” where the audience wasn’t laughing, she was convinced it was a flop and took $200,000.00 rather than 10% of the film’s profits.

She still regrets doing so today. Bogdanovich and O’Neal made millions by taking the percentage.

by Anonymousreply 84November 10, 2023 6:11 PM

Martin Ritt comes off about as well as Mandy Patinkin in the book.

by Anonymousreply 85November 10, 2023 6:13 PM

Jon Peters also destroyed the On A Clear Day Turban at a cost of 2 million dollars.

She let him remodel ore built a production office she needed for post-production work on Yentl. Nothing fancy was needed. While she was in London shmuk had some hill moved for better view which caused a float in the basement ,where the turban was stored. And it cost a fortune!

I also remember a story, when she had donated the Malibu ranch .She wrote a letter to the organisation. Since the estate was opened for guided tours, she wanted it known that the color said house was painted, was NOT selected by Miss Streisand personally!

by Anonymousreply 86November 10, 2023 6:15 PM

Kind of resembles a feline. People love cats. I can totally understand it now

by Anonymousreply 87November 10, 2023 6:37 PM

^ I have also found her to be feline-like.

by Anonymousreply 88November 10, 2023 7:36 PM

She had beautiful eyes…and had interesting if offbeat good looks. But she was obsessed with being accepted as a conventional beauty, which she was not. Jon Peters must not have liked her as much as she thought; not when he gave her that terrible jewfro hair. Did not look good with her strong nose and big mouth.

by Anonymousreply 89November 10, 2023 7:42 PM

Nobody looked good in a jewfro, r89...

by Anonymousreply 90November 10, 2023 8:04 PM

She's ludicrously miscast in Nuts. Her character isn't nuts; she's obnoxious.

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by Anonymousreply 91November 10, 2023 8:43 PM

She still seems obsessed with that "Nobody thinks I'm beautiful" baloney.

It's a theme that runs through her films.

Too bad. So sad.

She had a glorious voice, great fame, movie success, lots of money and she still comes across as a big "Boo Hoo Poor Me".

And what did she say - that she hasn't had enough fun??

Enough already.

by Anonymousreply 92November 10, 2023 8:55 PM

She's worth hundreds of millions and she's still crying over her 200K paycheck on Doc? Oy.

by Anonymousreply 93November 10, 2023 9:08 PM

Wasn’t Streisand too old for the Daryl Hannah role in “Splash”?

There’s an eighteen year age difference between them.

by Anonymousreply 94November 10, 2023 9:11 PM

I’m reading her book and she hardly comes off as poor me- pretty much the opposite. She was and is confused about the reactions she receives- but she seems to also know that this is part of her appeal, although being called names hurts.

She tells a story of a cinematographer friend being told by his doctor that Streisand is a bitch. The cinematog responds by saying she is very nice and loves working with her. The doctor says no she’s a bitch, he read it in an article. I read in a post above that colleagues and collaborators don’t like her. She seems to know she can be exhausting but she’s got lots of life long friends in the business. Also, at concerts- her close stage audiences are full of the cream of show business- and Democratic politics. There’s not much evidence that her peers dislike her- although some did (men) earlier in her career.

She has conducted her career from the beginning with insistence on artistic control- which is why she got into producing and directing. She has not done anything that her male contemporaries have not done.

by Anonymousreply 95November 10, 2023 9:19 PM

Well, she IS a bitch and there are plenty of stories to substantiate that. The fact that her collaborators say they like working with her is probably out of a sense of diplomacy but she's known to have driven her collaborators insane with all kinds of crazy demands. I personally know someone, this sweet, gentle older man who had a small business setting up home theaters, who went to do some work at her Malibu estate and said she just about made him cry with demands and reproaches until her husband interceded so he could finish his work and leave. I bet she has OCD.

by Anonymousreply 96November 10, 2023 9:29 PM

You're going to want to be chummy with the cinematographer, r95. The props master of one of her movies told me, "She doesn't have a soul".

by Anonymousreply 97November 10, 2023 9:35 PM

Re Walter Matthau: In a later chapter Barbra says that when I.B. Singer wrote a snarky "New York Times" article about the movie "Yentl" (which was based on his short story), Carol Matthau wrote a letter to the "Times" that defended Barbra's adaptation and called Singer "a mean-spirited, ungenerous, and cranky man." Singer sounds like Walter... Anyhow, after that, Carol and Barbra became close friends.

by Anonymousreply 98November 10, 2023 10:18 PM

Exactly r97. She needs to be nice to the guy who’s lighting that dogface. She doesn’t give a fuck about the guy who’s putting clocks in the living room set. And she’d probably insist on approving every single clock personally.

She’s a grand scale asshole.

by Anonymousreply 99November 10, 2023 10:23 PM

[Quote] The props master of one of her movies told me, "She doesn't have a soul".

as for that prop guy he can take those props one by one and . . .

by Anonymousreply 100November 10, 2023 10:25 PM

Growing up in Queens, New York, I took the F train to high school. Union Turnpike, 75th Avenue, 71/Continental Ave, Roosevelt. The train was full of girls who looked just like Barbra. I never thought she was so awful.

by Anonymousreply 101November 10, 2023 10:52 PM

Brolin is smart and smooth like buttah. He told Barbra that at the Golden Globe Awards in 1984 (he was nominated for "Hotel," she for "Yentl"), long before they met: "I walked by him at one point, and we locked eyes for a moment. That was all ... but he never forgot it."

by Anonymousreply 102November 10, 2023 11:09 PM

[quote]"I walked by him at one point, and we locked eyes for a moment. That was all ... but he never forgot it."

And Barbra had no memory of it.

by Anonymousreply 103November 10, 2023 11:28 PM

R85 - what does she say about Martin Ritt?

by Anonymousreply 104November 11, 2023 1:21 AM

"They way... I ... were"

by Anonymousreply 105November 11, 2023 1:25 AM

Just watched an excerpt of the Howard Stern interview which I thought was far better than Gayle King on CBS and Terry Gross on NPR/ She seemed far more relaxed and giving with Howard.

by Anonymousreply 106November 11, 2023 1:51 AM

What doesn't she say about Martin Ritt?

"He reminded me of my own stocky, sullen stepfather who never had any belief in me and never showed me any form of support."

"I don't think he was thrilled with the fact that I had just directed a film. He'd be working with a woman who had stepped onto his turf."

"Shirley MacLaine asked, 'How could you hire Marty Ritt? Don't you know he's a misogynist?' (I didn't)."

"Marty had the time sequence mixed up. He was confused about where the scene fit into the story. He kept saying to me, 'I don't understand this. I've never made a movie with flashbacks.'" [I guess he forgot that he made "The Outrage," which is full of flashbacks.]

"Marty never quite understood this film. I envisioned something with more flow."

by Anonymousreply 107November 11, 2023 2:06 AM

Did Ritt direct Nuts?

by Anonymousreply 108November 11, 2023 2:09 AM

What does she say about Sidney Pollack?

by Anonymousreply 109November 11, 2023 2:09 AM

As far as I know Shirley MacLaine never worked with Martin Ritt so don't know how she can give advice about him. Ritt made 4 films with Joanne Woodward and 3 with Sally Field so he must have liked them.

by Anonymousreply 110November 11, 2023 2:22 AM

Babs refused to *ever* look bad where the camera was concerned. Her vanity kept her from being a good dramatic actress. She was out of her element where NUTS was concerned.

by Anonymousreply 111November 11, 2023 2:32 AM

And yet posters here aren't hesitating to give advice about people they've never worked with.

by Anonymousreply 112November 11, 2023 2:32 AM

I can't remember the last time I gave advice about people I've never worked with, r112.

by Anonymousreply 113November 11, 2023 2:36 AM

[quote]....Frank Pierson, who publicly rubbished the 1976 version of A Star is Born (which he directed), calling Streisand a control freak who constantly demanded more closeups.

I don't see anything untruthful in that statement.

by Anonymousreply 114November 11, 2023 2:58 AM

Barbra on Howard Stern! What's this world coming to!

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by Anonymousreply 115November 11, 2023 5:40 AM

Even when she first began to express interest in directing and starring in a remake of GYPSY. Streisand was TOO OLD for the role, and her voice was no longer up to the demands of that score. So it seems from the clip at R115 that, at least when it comes to this project, she's still completely delusional.

by Anonymousreply 116November 11, 2023 2:15 PM

Howard is a Barbrarian.

by Anonymousreply 117November 11, 2023 2:18 PM

Kind of shocking that she still has hopes to do Gypsy. She should’ve done it twenty years ago when Sondheim and Laurents asked her to do it. Now it’s much too late and no studio is willing to finance it. Barbra has no one to blame but herself.

by Anonymousreply 118November 12, 2023 6:57 AM

R118, She’s now saying that she would direct Gypsy, not star in it.

by Anonymousreply 119November 12, 2023 8:36 AM

You just know curmudgeon Matthau knew she would wipe him off the screen. He took the check but let his fragile ego speak.

by Anonymousreply 120November 12, 2023 9:23 AM

Direct at 81? She's delusional. She could never act in it. Her voice is shot, her face looks like a burn victim and she moves like an old person and has for over 10 years. Barbra, ya done!

by Anonymousreply 121November 12, 2023 11:50 AM

R96 proved my point.

by Anonymousreply 122November 12, 2023 12:07 PM

Really R121? Ever heard of Scorsese or Eastwood. You’re kind of stupid-

by Anonymousreply 123November 12, 2023 12:09 PM

R121, George Cukor was still directing at 82.

by Anonymousreply 124November 12, 2023 12:33 PM

R12- She also had a nice RACK.

She was quite sexy ca. 1973 in What’s Up Dock?

Unlike Babs Bette Midler she was ALWAYS frumpy looking and by the time The First Wives Club was released she was Matronly.

by Anonymousreply 125November 12, 2023 1:02 PM

R55- Bill Clinton was the same. He really went for the unattractive women.

by Anonymousreply 126November 12, 2023 1:50 PM

Maybe I am, R123, but it ain't gonna happen. She's too lazy (which she admits) and fat (which she tries to hide), then she gets too obsessed (which she admits as well). Who would really want to work with her at this point. She's over. Besides, there is ZERO interest in the world for another film version of Gypsy, except for maybe some gay pterosauria, which I suspect you are one.

by Anonymousreply 127November 12, 2023 3:33 PM

R127-

Too LAZY

Too Fat

Too Obsessed

Sounds like me

by Anonymousreply 128November 12, 2023 4:05 PM

She never said she wants to direct Gypsy now.

In the book she writes about reading online that her "alleged partner" (Joel Silver) had sold the rights to another production company- without telling her.

Damm she shlepped to that guys easter party for years,even sang a song for his son in concert. Shmuck-socialicing and then being iced out. Oy.

She felt she was creativly done. Ovah!

The generou$ offer to appear in Hyde Park lifted her spirits up again- and that 70 000 friendly people showed up for her.

(She regrets that Tilda Swinton didn t come backstage to say hello..fun fact)

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by Anonymousreply 129November 12, 2023 5:11 PM

Tilda Swinton IS Mama Rose!

by Anonymousreply 130November 12, 2023 5:15 PM

R121=James Brolin

by Anonymousreply 131November 13, 2023 12:00 AM

[quote] I envisioned something with more flow.

I envisioned something with an actress who could believable play an expensive call girl.

by Anonymousreply 132November 13, 2023 6:15 AM
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