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“Saltburn”- I just finished watching it! Ask me anything!

I’m gonna be honest, I loved it up to a point and then I felt it sort of dragged a bit the final 20-30 minutes. The film would have benefited trimming just 10-20 minutes off. However, I did like it a lot overall and feel the critics who’ve trashed it are being overly harsh.

The film is awkward and uncomfortable at times though. I will say that. But it is also beautifully shot, the cinematography is gorgeous, the acting is on point, and the writing is good! I just feel it felt a bit too slow for a film like this toward the end. Slow works for certain films but not ones like this.

It was bizarre at times too.

Jacob Elordi gives a movie star performance. He has a long career past Euphoria if he keeps going the direction he is, I will say that. He’s becoming an indie darling at the moment and playing his cards right! Paul Mescal better watch out (not really, I don’t think they’d ever be up for the same parts).

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by Anonymousreply 158March 23, 2024 7:36 AM

Let me add, Rosamund Pike is PHENOMENAL in this and definitely should be in the supporting actress conversation more. She’s incredible. She had the theater was cracking up! She breaths a lot of life into the movie.

Carey Mulligan is also great in her very brief screen time.

by Anonymousreply 1November 5, 2023 1:16 AM

I haven't seen it but since Rosamund Pike is in it, it can't be all bad.

by Anonymousreply 2November 5, 2023 1:17 AM

R2 she’s the stand out.

The movie comes out in 2 weeks. I went to an Advance Screening.

by Anonymousreply 3November 5, 2023 1:25 AM

There are a few moments in this film that made me want to crawl under a rock........there are two/three scenes that push the envelope......I agree that Rosamund Pike and Carey Mulligan are both terrific in the film.......Pike's delivery of some of her lines is so perfect.......I saw it at Telluride in September and the row of women next to me kept saying "Oh No, Oh No!!!!!!" when one of the shock scenes was happening........it is not a move to be seen with your mom!!!!!!!

by Anonymousreply 4November 5, 2023 1:28 AM

[quote]Let me add, Rosamund Pike is PHENOMENAL in this and definitely should be in the supporting actress conversation more. She’s incredible. She had the theater was cracking up! She breaths a lot of life into the movie.

Ohhhhhh....dear.

by Anonymousreply 5November 5, 2023 1:29 AM

OP/R1 has no idea what the definition of "phenomenal" is, no matter what her dumbed-down dictionary may say about the rightness of colloquial usage, if she ever bothered to consult it.

Oh, dear.

by Anonymousreply 6November 5, 2023 1:44 AM

How can we ask you questions if we also didn't attend an "Advance Screening"?

by Anonymousreply 7November 5, 2023 1:47 AM

R7 what? That doesn’t even make sense.

by Anonymousreply 8November 5, 2023 1:48 AM

I loved the movie. Looking forward to buying the Blu-ray when it comes out. OP, I’m surprised you didn’t mention Barry Keoghan, the lead actor. He was fantastic. Jacob Elordi is certainly pretty but Barry is the one who is going to have the long career. He’s very talented and versatile.

by Anonymousreply 9November 5, 2023 1:54 AM

R9 didn’t watch the movie. He read tweets etc. and thinks that’s watching a movie.

It comes out the 16th. And no you weren’t at Telluride.

OP I read a review that said something similar about Elordi.

by Anonymousreply 10November 5, 2023 1:58 AM

R10, I went to the advance screening in Atlanta last Wednesday. I was in the next to the last row.

Advance screenings really do exist.

by Anonymousreply 11November 5, 2023 2:00 AM

R11 oh. Post your ticket. OP always has proof he saw something. You always just claim it.

by Anonymousreply 12November 5, 2023 2:03 AM

And I dined with The Queen of Sheeba and The King of Siam last night, at Madame Gin Sling's casino.

by Anonymousreply 13November 5, 2023 2:08 AM

It certainly can't be any worse than Promising Young Woman.

by Anonymousreply 14November 5, 2023 2:09 AM

Is there peen???

by Anonymousreply 15November 5, 2023 2:10 AM

R12, what do you mean “always”? This is the only time I’ve posted about seeing an advance screening, although I’ve seen a fair number of them over the years (going back to Pulp Fiction). This fall I’ve only seen two: Saltburn and Nyad. I also had a ticket to an advance screening of Killers of the Flower Moon but decided to go a different time after it opened because of the length of the film.

by Anonymousreply 16November 5, 2023 2:13 AM

Anyway… r15 yes. Barry shows his uncut dick.

by Anonymousreply 17November 5, 2023 2:18 AM

Barry was great but he played the character in a way where the ending was too obvious. You KNEW the ending before it happened because of how Barry played the role. He came off CRAZY. Not sweet and gentle and endearing but misunderstood. You knew he was obsessed with Elordi, but not in a way where he just wants to be with him, but wants to be him. He would wear Elordi’s skin if he could.

by Anonymousreply 18November 5, 2023 2:26 AM

The oneupmanship shock scenes - cum out of a peach? We present cum out of a drain! - have been spoiled, so yeah, I’m assuming they cast Crazy Barry Keoghan as the odd man out for a reason.

I’m giving this a miss.

by Anonymousreply 19November 5, 2023 2:34 AM

I saw this on Instagram minutes after reading your comment r18 lol.

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by Anonymousreply 20November 5, 2023 2:35 AM

OP I don’t like nor appreciate your rude comment about our dear Paul. If anything he should have been cast as the object of affection and obsession. His beauty and talent trumps Jacob’s in every way.

by Anonymousreply 21November 5, 2023 2:38 AM

R21 get over it. I like Paul but he would have been awfully miscast here. Jacob Elordi has that youthful aura and glow needed for a character like Felix. Felix is young, tall, handsome, popular, rich, charming but has this youthful naivety etc. everyone who comes in contact with him likes him. He’s THAT guy. Elordi does a terrific job too.

by Anonymousreply 22November 5, 2023 3:45 AM

They’re having another screening this Wed. I may go

by Anonymousreply 23November 5, 2023 5:14 AM

This film has been on my mind all morning after watching it last night.

by Anonymousreply 24November 5, 2023 4:35 PM

The Queen of Sheba told the naughtiest yet amusing anecdote at Madame Gin Sling's casino. I've been thinking about it all day. I'd share it with you all but you had to be there. And you weren't there. But I was. I was there.

by Anonymousreply 25November 5, 2023 4:45 PM

I was disappointed in the bathtub scene. I thought he would literally be licking a puddle of semen versus just drinking his bath water.

by Anonymousreply 26December 28, 2023 2:10 PM

I liked it - may watch it again.

My only question is what was Barry doing on top of the cousin? Did he fuck him or did he put the cousin's dick in his ass?

by Anonymousreply 27December 28, 2023 3:19 PM

^I think it depends on your point of view.

by Anonymousreply 28December 28, 2023 3:32 PM

The cousin is the only one who deserved it all.

by Anonymousreply 29December 28, 2023 3:40 PM

R21’s comment is nuts considering she switched to from Paul Mescal lover to Jacob Elordi lover. Lots of shaking and crying involved in the process.

by Anonymousreply 30December 28, 2023 3:52 PM

Jacob Elordi was beautiful in this but his character could have been played by any other gorgeous actor with the same outcome. For him to bill himself as such a serious actor of the craft, he brought nothing to the table.

by Anonymousreply 31December 28, 2023 3:57 PM

I have a question. Won’t a doctor or other authority ask who removed the mom from her respirator? Or is that detail just too mundane.

by Anonymousreply 32December 28, 2023 4:29 PM

R27, he was giving the cousin a hand job.

by Anonymousreply 33December 28, 2023 4:42 PM

I’m glad I read reviews AFTER seeing the movie . I enjoyed the movie. No, it wasn’t perfect. Nothing is . New movies are retreads and compilations of everything done before.

I will try to refrain from reading reviews before viewing films.

by Anonymousreply 34December 28, 2023 4:57 PM

R32 This is not a film whose plot developments hold up under any kind of scrutiny!

The basic premise is good (albeit, essentially just a re-run of The Talented Mr. Ripley) but the tone is all over the place, and the comedy/farce elements undo any real potential menace or darkness. Also, the 3 supposedly shocking scenes *SPOILER* (fucking the grave, bloody cunnilingus and slurping the bath/cum) all feel grafted in to elicit gasps from a prim and prissy audience.

The "Big Reveal" at the end, which shows us, the audience, what had been going on throughout, was totally unnecessary, since pretty much everything was clearly signposted, and its presence underlines that they assume the potential audience must be morons who need everything fed to them on a spoon.

It would have worked better as an out-and-out psycho-thriller, with more ambiguity and far more proper body horror, not this weirdly sanitised teen/comedy hybrid.

It's not terrible, by any means, but it just could have been so much better.

by Anonymousreply 35December 28, 2023 5:00 PM

I found it tedious and boring. Sure, a couple of the scenes (the bath tub and the bloody fingers) were....uncomfortable to watch. But overall the movie kind of dragged, and the pretentiousness got really old really fast.

by Anonymousreply 36December 28, 2023 5:15 PM

[quote] I have a question. Won’t a doctor or other authority ask who removed the mom from her respirator? Or is that detail just too mundane.

And why wasn't an autopsy performed on Felix which would have revealed his cause of death, which was due to a crime? It was the coroner who picked up his body from Saltburn.

Or did I miss something?

by Anonymousreply 37December 28, 2023 5:18 PM

I ff'd through a lot. Pike was hilarious and the satire of her lines well written. Had the same question about the respirator. Also, how did she wind up on it? And how did the father die and how was anyone else involved?

by Anonymousreply 38December 28, 2023 5:30 PM

R31 It was interesting, even Elordi's "beauty" was pretty undistinguished in this. He brought nothing to the film - any pretty face and mildly toned body would have been as effective.

by Anonymousreply 39December 28, 2023 5:34 PM

I inferred that the father committed suicide and that Oliver just waited it out. Didn’t the mom say something about being surprised he didn’t do it sooner?

by Anonymousreply 40December 28, 2023 5:36 PM

R40, that's what confused me, given everything else. I thought they were all murdered.

by Anonymousreply 41December 28, 2023 5:39 PM

I couldn't get over the fact that Barry Keoghan is such an ugly little troll. It's hilarious to think that everyone in the household wanted him. Or that the mother would tell him how beautiful he was. She said something like, "Thank God you're beautiful, because I can't stand ugliness". And I wondered if she was looking at the same person I was.

by Anonymousreply 42December 28, 2023 6:59 PM

BTW, isn't there an old movie with Terrance Stamp where he seduces every member of a family "Teorama" or something like that. I haven't seen it, but I wondered if this film was modelled after that one.

by Anonymousreply 43December 28, 2023 7:01 PM

R33 thanks.

by Anonymousreply 44December 28, 2023 7:15 PM

Jacob Elordi falls into the category of actors who are such douchenozzles that I cannot see anything but that when I watch him.

by Anonymousreply 45December 28, 2023 7:24 PM

I thought Elordi did fine as pretty privileged boy. I like Barry K and I think he's kind of sexy, but I never understood why the family was so obsessed by him. Also I didn't catch the whole subplot with the black friend. Why was he eventually banished from the house after Jacob died? Wouldn't he be the one to call the police on Barry's character?

This film was kind of a sordid mess - like Dangerous Liaisons meets Abfab meets Barry

by Anonymousreply 46December 28, 2023 9:10 PM

The black "friend" was actually Jacob's cousin in the movie. And Barry made some comment that he had given Jacob the drugs that caused him to overdose, which is why the father kicked him out of the house.

by Anonymousreply 47December 28, 2023 11:41 PM

R47, I was under the impression that Barry added something lethal to whatever Felix was drinking. That is why I said a crime had been committed.

I might have seen a reference in another thread that Felix was poisoned and just assumed it to be true.

by Anonymousreply 48December 28, 2023 11:57 PM

"Ask me anything!"

Why did you feel the need to start ANOTHER thread on a forgettable film?

by Anonymousreply 49December 29, 2023 12:07 AM

R48 - yes, that's what happened, but Barry blamed it on the black guy.

by Anonymousreply 50December 29, 2023 1:38 AM

Thanks for clarifying, R50.

by Anonymousreply 51December 29, 2023 8:02 AM

[Quote] BTW, isn't there an old movie with Terrance Stamp where he seduces every member of a family "Teorama" or something like that. I haven't seen it, but I wondered if this film was modelled after that one.

Stamp plays a stranger who seduces the members of a wealthy Milanese family as well as the maid and when he leaves the family falls apart,.

The Servant (1963) has thematic similarities to Saltburn

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by Anonymousreply 52December 29, 2023 8:45 AM

I thought it was ok. Dragged a bit, but otherwise good. I’m not a huge JE fan, but he was extremely hot af in this. Overall, a B+.

by Anonymousreply 53December 29, 2023 8:54 AM

Was it gay at all?

by Anonymousreply 54December 29, 2023 8:56 AM

It was quite gay at times, but quite vomit-inducingly straight at others.

by Anonymousreply 55December 29, 2023 3:46 PM

It was mostly gay-teasing rather than gay, other than the nighttime visitation by Oliver to Barry.

by Anonymousreply 56December 29, 2023 6:59 PM

You know, the bathtub water would have had soap and shampoo in it, too. Not very appetizing.

by Anonymousreply 57December 30, 2023 2:27 AM

Not to mention hairballs in the drain.

by Anonymousreply 58December 31, 2023 2:17 AM

[quote] Jacob Elordi falls into the category of actors who are such douchenozzles that I cannot see anything but that when I watch him.

That’s funny, I assumed DL’ers would only see Jacob’s huge mole on his abdomen.

by Anonymousreply 59January 2, 2024 3:48 AM

R27 That's the scene that confused me too. Just before it occurs a mirror is smashed but Oliver finds it intact the next morning. Was it replaced by the creepy butler or was it all a fantasy/dream sequence?

And am I alone in thinking there was a second scene of implied necrophilia (the first being the grave fucking)? Immediately after we see the life-support ripped out it cuts to Oliver calmly smoking... Is that a post-sex cigarette?

by Anonymousreply 60January 2, 2024 7:24 AM

I think the idea was that he was gratuitously smoking around someone who couldn't breathe and needed a life support machine to keep her respiratory system functioning, r60.

by Anonymousreply 61January 2, 2024 7:51 AM

As a Brideshead super fan—Jacob Elordincharacter was cute but not quite fleshed out enough to show us why he’s so charming and irresistible. No Sebastian flyte. Dialogue could’ve used more PG WODEHOUSE or funny snob isms. But I liked it

by Anonymousreply 62January 2, 2024 8:58 AM

Elordi does NOTHING of note in this film except look "pretty." Keoghan and Pike steal the show.

by Anonymousreply 63January 2, 2024 11:52 AM

R62 thank goodness you brought up Brideshead Revisited. I was about to start weeping at all of the references omitting the main one.

It’s Brideshead Revisited, revisited as a modern farce where the Teddy Bear goes to hell - at least that’s what I got out of it.

by Anonymousreply 64January 2, 2024 1:00 PM

I just saw this movie as Emerald Fennell's attempt to show us that she's not like all the other privileged, posh-familied, top public school (i.e. most elite British private school) Oxford graduates. Create a caricatured, fake class system and then tear it down to make it seem that you're not sitting at the top of the the real social hierarchy.

by Anonymousreply 65January 2, 2024 2:14 PM

During an interview of Jacob, 26, who plays Felix Catton, and Barry for Vogue UK, Jacob disclosed that Timothée Chalamet, 28, was director Emerald Fennell's original choice.

by Anonymousreply 66January 5, 2024 3:21 AM

Any full frontal dick pics of Jacob Elordi?

I've been looking but cannot find any. Several of his ass, but no dick pics.

by Anonymousreply 67January 5, 2024 6:10 AM

Chalamet was supposedly Fennell's first choice as Oliver, r66.

by Anonymousreply 68January 5, 2024 9:25 AM

R46 My impression was that Felix befriended a new guy from university every year and bring them to Saltburn for the holidays. The family regarded Barry K as their new toy for the season. Yet he was playing them not vice versa. It was entertaining enough. I'd have to watch it again because I was confused at times - but life's too short.

Agree with the Elordi comments especially R45's. He's probably the same shallow charmer in real life.

R52 'The Servant' is a great film; a classic psychological thriller.

by Anonymousreply 69January 5, 2024 11:01 AM

Barry Keoghan didn't play Oliver in a subtle or complex enough way for it to make sense that he was a manipulative fraud. There also wasn't enough psychological background on him to explain why he was behaving in this way. A lot of the reasons why people are confused by this film are because his character wasn't fleshed out enough.

by Anonymousreply 70January 5, 2024 11:21 AM

I take great pleasure in contemplating DL had Chalamet dancing around for art's sake in the final scene.

by Anonymousreply 71January 5, 2024 1:15 PM

The promotions just went right through me but I've seen some comparisons to The Talented Mr.Ripley and I'm more interested now. Gonna check it out this week.

by Anonymousreply 72January 5, 2024 1:30 PM

I have a question

Why in the name of god can’t you fuck off?!

by Anonymousreply 73January 5, 2024 2:16 PM

Which you, R73? Or ya talking to the voices?

by Anonymousreply 74January 5, 2024 2:39 PM

I thought for sure the entombed gay butler was going to intervene somehow. Or that Oliver had to seduce him too to shut him up.

by Anonymousreply 75January 5, 2024 2:39 PM

entoned= enbalmed

by Anonymousreply 76January 5, 2024 2:39 PM

It's an absolutely fabulous film about a charming sociopath. Loved it.

by Anonymousreply 77January 5, 2024 5:23 PM

r70 we knew nothing about Tom Ripley's background either. It wasn't really necessary to the story.

by Anonymousreply 78January 5, 2024 6:27 PM

I said psychological background, r78 (i.e. what drives him), but Oliver's family/social background is also crucial to Saltburn, both his fabricated background and his real background.

by Anonymousreply 79January 5, 2024 7:13 PM

I agree with R70. Keogan was playing a concept rather than fully fleshed out character. If his performance didn't work it's not entirely his fault.

by Anonymousreply 80January 5, 2024 7:25 PM

Agree, r80. Emerald couldn't quite get her head around her middle-/working-class character.

by Anonymousreply 81January 5, 2024 7:58 PM

Rosamond's best line at .30

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by Anonymousreply 82January 6, 2024 5:11 AM

The song:

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by Anonymousreply 83January 6, 2024 5:11 AM

R31 no. Every role could be played by another actor but an individual actor brings their own traits and energy to the role. Emerald Fennel said he nailed the audition in a way no one else did. He played Felix with ease and casual and played down the fact he’s beautiful and rich while every single other actor who auditioned played up the latter.

You say that same thing about every performance, btw. And don’t say no you don’t. I have screenshots. ☕️

by Anonymousreply 84January 6, 2024 5:16 AM

R41 what made you assume they were all murdered? How would be murder Sir James when he wasn’t even in Saltburn any longer? Sir James killed himself. Elspeth got sick. Why or how? We don’t know. We just know she got sick. Which happens to millions of people.

by Anonymousreply 85January 6, 2024 5:27 AM

R42 she said he had beautiful eyes. That was it. She didn’t say he was beautiful as a whole but he had beautiful eyes, which probably means she doesn’t find him completely ugly. Felix says I told you he isn’t a minger, meaning he isn’t ugly. Beauty is subjective

by Anonymousreply 86January 6, 2024 5:29 AM

R46 did you watch the movie??? The “black friend”??? You mean Farleigh? Farleigh is Sir James’s nephew. If you actually watched the movie you would know this, as it’s mentioned more than once…

by Anonymousreply 87January 6, 2024 5:30 AM

R49 forgettable? A film that has been viral on social media and #1 on Prime for two weeks is forgettable?

by Anonymousreply 88January 6, 2024 5:32 AM

R60 are you slow??? Wait, yes. You are. I shouldn’t have asked.

He broke it. When he woke up it was changed. That’s how the household works. The way we see him leave his room to go meet the family and within a short few minutes he comes back to the room to find his bags unpacked already. Welcome to a wealthy household, dear.

by Anonymousreply 89January 6, 2024 5:34 AM

R70 only retards don’t get it. Many of us do and don’t need to be spoonfed like you.

by Anonymousreply 90January 6, 2024 5:38 AM

R80 stop saying you’re right. Using more than one account to say you’re right doesn’t make you right. Intelligent people don’t need to be spoonfed. We didn’t need a backstory on why. Not everything needs some backstory. This is a movie. Not a fucking tv series.

by Anonymousreply 91January 6, 2024 5:41 AM

Lol r91, I'm only posting with one account. Perhaps other people agree with me. Not sure why you're getting so angry with so many other posters simply because they had a different experience of a film than you did. And you save screenshots of people's posts? It sounds like you have a few issues.

by Anonymousreply 92January 6, 2024 8:43 AM

R92 it’s you dude. Please already.

by Anonymousreply 93January 6, 2024 12:27 PM

No, it isn't; my opinion is simply shared by others. You save snapshots of people's posts on DL.

by Anonymousreply 94January 6, 2024 1:39 PM

R94 yeah. I do. Because of your criminal activity. Your posts don’t go unseen. And yes, it is you. We know when you post. We’ve gone through this a million times. An intelligent person would grasp things. You aren’t intelligent

by Anonymousreply 95January 6, 2024 1:59 PM

You sound deranged, r95.

by Anonymousreply 96January 6, 2024 2:05 PM

R86 (I'm not r42), if one thing is true, it is that Jacob Elordi has beautiful eyes.

by Anonymousreply 97January 6, 2024 2:10 PM

I find Jacob gorgeous from different angles, but straight on, not so much.

by Anonymousreply 98January 6, 2024 2:56 PM

R98 post a photo of you…

by Anonymousreply 99January 6, 2024 3:08 PM

Apologies if I don’t get this exactly right:

Ollie: “Your family sounds like an Evelyn Waugh novel.”

Felix: “He was kind of obsessed with us actually”

It couldn’t be any more obvious it’s a Brideshead Revisited spoof unless Teddy made an appearance. Oh wait….

by Anonymousreply 100January 6, 2024 3:19 PM

r99, strangely I look better head on, but any other angle, I look like a thumb. Alas no strong jaw or chin.

by Anonymousreply 101January 6, 2024 3:24 PM

R101 let us be the judge…

by Anonymousreply 102January 6, 2024 3:30 PM

R100 you don’t know what a spoof is, huh? This isn’t a “spoof”. Emerald Fennell has outwardly expressed Brideshead Revisited as one of the films that inspired her to make this. This has been mentioned. The film isn’t inspired by just one film. It’s a mesh of numerous films, including Brideshead Revisited, The Servant, The Talented Mr. Ripley (OG, not remake), and Cruel Intentions.

by Anonymousreply 103January 6, 2024 3:32 PM

I am sure they were all inspiring, but the plot and characters are straight from BR.

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by Anonymousreply 104January 6, 2024 4:10 PM

A great FWIW

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by Anonymousreply 105January 6, 2024 4:15 PM

R105 yes. Acknowledging the book inspired the film. Like Emerald herself has said. This isn’t news.

by Anonymousreply 106January 6, 2024 4:21 PM

Where does "inspiration" end and "rip-off" begin?

by Anonymousreply 107January 6, 2024 4:32 PM

If you’ve read Brideshead it wasn’t a ripoff. It wasn’t exactly the same despite you continuing to say it is. You can see the inspiration but see the difference also.

by Anonymousreply 108January 6, 2024 4:34 PM

I hated the last 30 minutes. They decided to kill too many characters off all of a sudden and that flashback montage at the very end was totally unnecessary. It was supposed to be the big plot twist moment of the film but by then Keoghan's character was well established as a total psycho so that scene didn't really land strongly.

And I think the ending would actually be more effective without killing off Rosamund Pike's character. Barry doing his naked dance of victory throughout the palace with Pike still alive and totally helpless in her bed would actually be more creepy.

by Anonymousreply 109January 6, 2024 4:40 PM

That actually wouldn’t work because he doesn’t inherit the estate until she dies, and everyone needed to die for him to inherit it. When she signed over everything to him it becomes his once she’s dead because everyone else is dead. If Felix, Venetia or Sir James are alive he doesn’t get it.

by Anonymousreply 110January 6, 2024 4:49 PM

Also, Sir James’s sister (mother of Farleigh) can come appeal this decision that Elspeth has made.

by Anonymousreply 111January 6, 2024 4:50 PM

What happened to Farleigh?

by Anonymousreply 112January 6, 2024 4:57 PM

After Oliver inherited everything, he presumably cut Farleigh off. Archie Madekwe was great as Farleigh, btw.

by Anonymousreply 113January 6, 2024 5:00 PM

Why didn't Farley inherit it, he was the lawful successor

by Anonymousreply 114January 6, 2024 5:04 PM

Yes, he was great and brought a subtlety and depth to his otherwise "superficial" character that Barry Keoghan was unable to bring to his complex and multilayered character.

by Anonymousreply 115January 6, 2024 5:04 PM

r114 Elsbeth signed everything over to Oliver.

by Anonymousreply 116January 6, 2024 5:06 PM

r115 Keoghan played a sociopath pretty convincingly. They don't have normal human emotions.

by Anonymousreply 117January 6, 2024 5:06 PM

R114, the lawful successor after Sir James was his wife, Lady Elspeth, who we're meant to believe just signed everything over to Oliver.

by Anonymousreply 118January 6, 2024 5:06 PM

I enjoyed it. It's a silly film in many ways but I think the satire hits the nail on the head. I thought Keoghan was great even if his 'Scouse' accent kept slipping into North Dublin. I mean there are a lot of WTF moments (the grave scene, the bath scene, the 'menstrual' scene ) but overall I enjoyed watching it even if it is so far fetched and off the wall in many ways.

by Anonymousreply 119January 6, 2024 5:08 PM

R117, Keoghan didn't play a character with a double, even triple, life at all convincingly, especially one who is meant to be cunning, devious, manipulative and has enough foresight and planning to execute a perfect but highly complex plan over a number of years.

by Anonymousreply 120January 6, 2024 5:09 PM

r120 you're reading too much into it. He played a sociopath very well. We didn't need to see all of his behind the scenes activity.

by Anonymousreply 121January 6, 2024 5:20 PM

R104, aside from the Oxford/stately home/befriending someone from another social class theme (which is an obvious Oxford trope, especially for an Oxford graduate like Emerald), Brideshead Revisited and Saltburn are quite different and not really about the same things.

Why does that article you link to refer to Felix as "his Lordship"? He wasn't a lord, nor was he going to succeed to a lordship. That's another difference between Brideshead and Saltburn - the type of social structure in Brideshead Revisited no longer exists in Britain today and it would have been farcical to have Felix or his father as lords.

I do, however, generally agree with the conclusion to that article:

[quote]The cleverest thing about “Saltburn,” perhaps, is the way that, without actually disclosing much about Oliver, it inspires in the viewer fervid speculation about possible psychological and sociological motives that the oversimplified drama forecloses. As I say, the implied film is better than the actual one, and the implied one is the movie I found myself imagining with fascination as “Saltburn” unspooled. In that version, Oliver is directorially conceived in a way that integrates his exceptional abilities and his exceptional personality, the planning and executions of his schemes are given time and attention, and his hunger to eat the rich is not generic but arises from a complex inner life that may be as troubling as it is troubled. Instead, he remains a blank, his activities remain a blank, his ideas remain a blank. This effacement leaves the movie a kind of decoy—an elaborately decorated, amusingly written, enthusiastically performed simulacrum of what might have been.

by Anonymousreply 122January 6, 2024 5:41 PM

[quote]As I say, the implied film is better than the actual one, and the implied one is the movie I found myself imagining with fascination as “Saltburn” unspooled. In that version...

[italic]Oh, yes, and Picasso should have rendered his figures more realistically![/italic]

No wonder artists hate critics. Make your own film, fuckwit.

by Anonymousreply 123January 6, 2024 7:30 PM

R113 Farleigh was cut off years prior by Sir James.

by Anonymousreply 124January 6, 2024 7:43 PM

R122 exactly! Brideshead and Saltburn are actually very different. The way that poster keeps saying it’s a blatant ripoff only tells me he never read the book and/or never saw the movie. They’re very different.

Also, Felix takes to Oliver only because of Oliver’s fake life of struggle and pain. Felix takes after Elspeth, his mother, who clearly has a God Complex and wants to help and save “wounded birds”, until she’s bored of them or they don’t benefit her in any way any longer. It’s all about making themselves feel better, in reality.

Elspeth has Pamela living with her but the minute Oliver shows up, who has an even more sad and broken background than Pamela, she can care less about Pamela being around anymore. She now has a new wounded bird to “help”. When you listen to the dialogue you pick up on the fact Felix is the same way. Venetia mentions she likes Oliver more than “last years one”. She also mentions that Felix doesn’t like to share his “toys” with others, even the toys he no longer wants to play with anymore, implying Oliver is just Felix’s new toy and once he’s bored he will be replaced with someone else, and that’s a cycle.

by Anonymousreply 125January 6, 2024 8:03 PM

Archie did do a great job as Farleigh and he is also in the new Gran Turismo movie. I didn’t even realize that was him. He’s talented.

I saw a clip of an interview with him and he’s very articulate and I love his British accent. What I found interesting is it seems Farleigh’s role was even smaller originally based on what he says. He says Emerald kept writing new scenes for Farleigh as they were filming.

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by Anonymousreply 126January 6, 2024 8:16 PM

R108, I'm r107. I think you had better turn in your Acme Detective Badge, because not only have I never posted about "Brideshead Revisited;" I haven't a clue about it, never having read nor seen it.

If you CARE, my signature line alludes to "The Talented Mr. Ripley."

by Anonymousreply 127January 6, 2024 8:17 PM

"But then common people came out, and everyone thought it was me."

Damn common people.

by Anonymousreply 128January 6, 2024 10:11 PM

Indeed, R126. Archie was great. He played gay on an episode of UK soap Casualty years ago, acting all shy with his little boyfriend haha. Archie is great pals with fellow "Midsommar" alum Will Poulter in real life and Florence Pugh snapped a nice pic of them in Ibiza last year. We're analyzing that picture and the special nature of Archie's relationship with Will over in the "Will Poulter" thread at that other penis-focused forum.

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by Anonymousreply 129January 6, 2024 10:31 PM

Very insightful, R125.

by Anonymousreply 130January 7, 2024 1:42 AM

I didn't even recognize Carey Mulligan at first.

by Anonymousreply 131January 7, 2024 1:57 AM

It had potential, but just isn’t a very good movie. The two main problems are the writing and the directing. Too any plot holes and unresolved situations. Ollie was all over the place. Felix was a void. Elsbeth was great but the movie really needs more of her. Jacob Elordi is nice looking, but he is no Jude Law in Ripley.

by Anonymousreply 132January 7, 2024 4:19 AM

R132 there was not a single plot hole

by Anonymousreply 133January 7, 2024 4:27 AM

Making Saltburn a black comedy of sorts was certainly a choice. An old-school thriller (like The Talented Mr. Ripley) would've had a more serious tone, but perhaps wouldn't have been as fun.

by Anonymousreply 134January 7, 2024 4:29 AM

I just watched it for the second time. It was better the first time.

by Anonymousreply 135January 7, 2024 4:47 AM

I love it each time I watch it. It’s become a comfort film of mine.

by Anonymousreply 136January 7, 2024 4:50 AM

HATED IT. ABSOLUTELY HATED IT. Why do Hollywood movies always portray gay men as scheming, conniving, misanthropic psychpaths? And they're are always outsiders and socially awkward and apparently a killer just underneath the surface. Where are the normal gays? Do they exist? And must all gay movies involve falling in love/lust with a straight boy? When he fucked Felix's grave I had enough on top of it all being painfully boring despite all the manufactured drama. Just a long reductive version of The Talented Mr Ripley which is a far superior film.

by Anonymousreply 137January 7, 2024 1:54 PM

Was Oliver even gay or attracted to Felix, r137? That was another strand that was abandoned or undeveloped.

by Anonymousreply 138January 7, 2024 1:59 PM

If he wasn't, r138, why the bathtub bit?

by Anonymousreply 139January 7, 2024 3:16 PM

Why did Oliver fuck Felix's gravesite when he could've spent the entire night with his actual dead body instead? The mind boggles.

by Anonymousreply 140January 7, 2024 3:35 PM

R140, Was Felix's body in a less private place? Did Oliver want some "plausible deniability"? Is it a flaw in the plot?

by Anonymousreply 141January 7, 2024 3:59 PM

Felix's body was in the center of the maze away from prying eyes. Also wouldn't there have been an autopsy which would've determined homicide? That whole scene prior to Felix dying is a bit confusing...you can't really tell what's happening.

by Anonymousreply 142January 7, 2024 4:08 PM

I don’t think it was so much about how he loved him (because he hated him too), but about how much he wanted to be him. It would’ve been completely transgressive and shocking if he had eaten a piece of him.

by Anonymousreply 143January 7, 2024 4:48 PM

It really is the definition of a Marmite film. You either love it or loathe it.

by Anonymousreply 144January 7, 2024 9:38 PM

Who knows why the bathtub scene, r139? Why eat out Felix's sister's cunt when she's on her period? Why jerk off Farleigh? Why kill Felix if he's in love with him? It's all just a part of the weirdness of Oliver, which we're just meant to accept.

According to their creator, Emerald Fennell herself:

[quote]"Actually, what he's doing is not just what she wants in order to manipulate her, but actually because it's gratifying to him, too, because I don't think he knows what he wants really," Fennell said.

Oliver apparently doesn't really know what he wants (or, rather, his creator "doesn't think" he knows what he wants), so who the fuck knows what Oliver wants or doesn't want.

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by Anonymousreply 145January 7, 2024 9:41 PM

Oliver was very clearly obsessed with Felix but I think he wanted to BE HIM more than BE WITH HIM. But he was very clearly into Felix in a very unhealthy way. He would wear his skin if he could. That’s where his hate stems from. In the end he admits he hated him. It’s like a Single White Female kind of “love”.

by Anonymousreply 146January 7, 2024 9:42 PM

*SPOILER* It was like Ripley because I knew once Felix met Oliver's family that Felix was a dead man

by Anonymousreply 147March 21, 2024 5:47 AM

R147: Interesting comment . Can you elaborate please ? I continue to be obsessed with this movie, and now, must watch it again . More please

by Anonymousreply 148March 21, 2024 7:07 AM

PLEASE. Elordi brought nothing to the role of Felix except for a nice face. Austin Butler and his dumb Elvis accent could have done the same.

Enough with the Eloridi hysteria. He reminds me of a cute and very tall ET.

by Anonymousreply 149March 21, 2024 10:15 AM

r147 I don't know if Oliver can actually love anyone, but him killing Felix reminded me of when Ripley had to kill his lover Tom because he knew Meredith would expose him and he had to cover himself. Same with Felix exposing Oliver's true family life, we know Felix had already told his family everything else Oliver had told him so once Felix knew the truth Oliver had to get rid of him. I am going by the Talented Mr. Ripley movie I have not read the book.

by Anonymousreply 150March 21, 2024 5:52 PM

r148 the comment above was for you, I am r147. Oops

by Anonymousreply 151March 21, 2024 5:53 PM

I thought Jacob was pretty good, r149. I think he captured the abstracted air of an aimless Oxford aristo quite well.

by Anonymousreply 152March 21, 2024 6:01 PM

I thought Jacob Elordi was excellent. He portrayed Felix exactly how he needed to be in order to sell how Oliver could fall so hard, so fast where he loses all compunction.

Emerald Fennell's direction to him was that Felix is a rom-com hero and he sells that, especially during the scene at the bridge where he invites Oliver to SALTBURN. And he could have played Felix as an arrogant twat, befitting a guy of his status, but playing him as a carefree doofus, with just a hint of dickishnes was the best choice.

by Anonymousreply 153March 21, 2024 7:44 PM

Guys of Felix's status are not arrogant twats, r153. They're well-bred, considerate, courteous, punctilious and very, very polite. I think that's why Jacob managed to capture the character well, because he understood that. It's not so easy for that to click unless you're born into that background or are around people like that, e.g. at university.

by Anonymousreply 154March 21, 2024 7:52 PM

Very, very polite and courteous yet he snagged one chick by holding out his hand and smacking her on the ass.

by Anonymousreply 155March 21, 2024 7:57 PM

Barry is hot as fuck. He'd fuck your brains out with that huge Irish cock. Which is probably how he got the role.

by Anonymousreply 156March 21, 2024 7:57 PM

A movie, r155, not real life.

by Anonymousreply 157March 21, 2024 8:10 PM

Or 148 comparable to Ripley killing the Jude Law character

by Anonymousreply 158March 23, 2024 7:36 AM
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