Heartstopper

As two wise men once said

Once again no one can prove to me that joe didn’t end things with tal in part because they were casual and he knew he could do better, but also in part because Kit dicked him down so well he didn’t need Lego dick anymore

R1 Hot chemistry, size difference, what else do you need?

RE: Bash and his new reality post-Joe.

R2 I'm being too serious, but think Lego's clout chasing ways spooked him. Makes me wonder if Joe was the one who constantly turned down invites to the random z list realty show functions since I can't imagine the attention whore not inviting him

R4 idk if that’s referencing bash but if so, hilarious

In all seriousness, Bash probably killed the thought of hooking up with your costar for Joe.

I know Joe absolutely had real reasons for ending things with bash (if he did the dumping) and tal but the stories of him being turned off by tals “art” and bash’s American accent are just a lot funnier

R7 all seriousness is not welcome here (or at least not within the first 30 comments). Within the next few years Joe will get his ass eaten and fucked against every wall in his flat by kit. I’m manifesting

R3 This is one of those moments where the tension doesn’t read platonic to me. They’re both so serious about it right after.

R10 Not to be a downer, but if Joe's serious it's not because he can't control his boner with Kit. The random assless man was terrorizing him

R7 They got years anyway, they prob wouldn't fuck while the show is going on just to be safe

I know a lot of people are good riddance / nothing has changed with the Lego situation but I’m dying to know what pushed Joe over edge. Lego isn’t being psycho or anything but he is giving off incredibly single vibes all of a sudden. That original story dropped out of nowhere. It was right after filming started so Joe could have just cooled off because he’s booked and busy… but sure does manage to fit in a lot in his off time

R11 It’s fine, to me it’s obvious he’s reacting to Kit, especially since he trails after him for a bit but YMMV.

R12 The painting thing. Sadly not because it was fucking ugly but because he posted it so many times

R14 Btw, not only did Lego post it 4 times, the Londonsocial account also posted it.

R15 stop it. That’s hilarious. Yeah, that’d do it

R15 Feeling vindicated as someone that could sense that he was a clout chaser immediately. On top of that, a shit person judging by his recent social media activity. Good riddance, blockhead.

R12 think joe might have been feeling it less and less for a while and figured going back to filming was a good time to just call it altogether

Did he even manage to sell a single one of his paintings?

R17 At this point I won’t be surprised if he‘ll make some vague reference to Joe in that podcast he has coming up.

R17 I was right there. It was so predictable that Joe turning 20 would trigger immediate sharing of Joe content. Thank fuck it was also seemingly what ended it

Bash’s lack of ass scared me too at pride, joe, I get you

He’s so fucking cute

R20 what do you reckon theme would be; dating someone famous brings too much scrutiny (no names hint hint) or don’t date someone on the rebound they’ll hurt you

R15 Well at least we know he didn't get a tattoo anywhere since there's no way they wouldn't have broadcasted it

R24 It'll be the former for maximum clout chasing.

R24 incredible scenes if he says the latter and he and bash link up for a revenge tour

R24 Both. Subtlety isn’t his strong suit.

Last kind of random observation in terms of Joe and Kit and chemistry because I don't want to monopolize the thread, but it's interesting to me how the dynamic seemed to have shifted a bit with Bash out of the picture (like the flirtier shit online).

R29 Bash was a jealous cunt

R29 honestly Kit immediately leaving flirty comments on joes shit and being way touchier with him does paint a picture that bash had issues with that dynamic during the relationship

R29 Bash found fuming because even if Kit had ever wanted to, it would have been anatomically impossible for Kit to comment about his ass.

R32 absolutely howled out loud to this

R29 It’s normal imo to be more lowkey with your friends when you’re in a serious relationship. I don’t think they’ll be flirting and spending as much time together like now once they have a serious partner again.

R34 The Joe and Kit dynamic was the only one noticeably affected by the Bash of it all, though.

R34 I’d agree if bash and Kit didn’t leave flirty comments to one another, but they did. Telling it was just Kit who didn’t with joe and now he’s legit commenting on his juicy ass

Did I manifest this? Laughing.

R34 Tobie and Joe have always been touchy and flirty, even way back. Bash never seemed threatened by that. But the way Bash jumped at any chance to publicly flirt with Kit felt like compensation for Kit and Joe's dynamic. I get it, with them kissing on set so much and the hype about their chemistry, any partner would feel a bit uneasy. Bash's way of compensating was way off though.

R37 Them being this casual about their kissing scenes and shipping rumors sends me. Sadly, this is what makes me think nothing is going on.

R37 Tonight was Kizzy‘s live 3.0 confirmed.

R40 *last night. But probably tonight again, lbr.

R37 well well well

Pretty sure no one thinks anything is going on right now? It’s mostly banter plus the occasional more serious discussions about their chemistry.

R35 it really did change significantly. I’ve always wanted them to fuck (the way I got shouted down for even suggesting it would be hot, in the bad old days) but I felt like while they had chemistry it was more work-husband energy. These days their energy is chaotic teasing flirting. Living for it

R37 Jesus. This thread is absolutely bringing it. Also DJL publishing that when Joe likes odd comment is deeply funny. I get why he did - it’s relevant and he spotted it, but it’s still hilarious as fuck

For real though, I'm fully laughing at my comment about the flirtiness online being followed up by Joe doing that. Appreciate you, king.

R45 Confirmation he reads here.

R44 You can tell DJL favors Joe's relationships with Kit and Tobie which, taste.

R43 nah. It’s all just for fun. But there is definitely some serious manifesting going on. So far, seemingly no luck

R47 I can also tell they’re pretty fond of kizzy but agree, those are their favorite friendships. Can also tell they dislike bash. Again, taste

R38 Because Tobie was fat and Bash didn't find him threatening. He had a glow up though.

R43 Nobody thinks that, though I don't think people gotta preface every time they say anything they don't really mean it

slightly cringing at the thought of Joe clicking on that search and the first video that comes up is the "kiss on the cheek" at Pride

R43 I think everyone but the usual suspect (suspects?) realizes this.

R49 They used to have a pinned tweet of Bash and Joe, so it's post breakup development as a result of him a massive jerk. Bash really fucked up by losing the Joe fans, which were 95% of his fanbase

R52 I keep engaging in good faith and falling for it, goddamnit.

R46 the amount of times I’ve been convinced one of them has lurked here. This time it’s clearly just a coincidence, but other times (Kit's CV being updated to include Cuban Girl when it was spotted here that it was missing).

R53 that included the original, and presumably still main, admin didn’t it? It was a cute photo. Bash fucked up

Usual suspect is hilarious. There really is 7 people at most here.

People really do need to just ignore her

R55 don’t think it was the admin, think they just thought Joe looked really cute in it, which he did

R56 I know you’re riled up and that the point of your comment but just as a fun aside, I see the shift change (US to UK) because of where I live and it’s at least 20 on and off. Just love this particular fun fact

The only stans Bash really had left after the HP debacle were Joe stans that felt obligated to care. The way his fan account is stuck at what, 300 followers, is incredible. Haven’t looked at how he does on Instagram now, but I assume engagement is abysmal. He has casual fans on TikTok, but those don’t really go too far.

R58 I thought you were ignoring me? You should listen to the guy who likes to play the thread police.

I love her self given WW. Her own biggest fan.

R59 118K on his most recent, around 360K on the one before that, around 320K on the one before that. Not god awful, not astounding

R59 He does all right in likes. One post of his randomly got 700k a while back, but his average is way down. Tobie seems to have a better average with half the followers. If the engagement rate vs followers wasn't so good for some of the HS cast his likes would be great though.

Speaking of Tobie, he had a massive follower jump or am I crazy. I thought he was closer to 950k and but he's at 966k now

Seriously just ignore them.

R60 I was begging you all to ignore each other tbh. You’re all fine most of the time, you just set each other off. I engaged for fun - don’t hate

Tobie also removed a post but have no clue as to what since I pay no attention to his IG, sorry Tobie

Ladies, enough fighting. This thread was starting to be fun.

R65 this

R62 The 700k likes post has to be the one where he referenced Taylor Swift in the caption and was wearing a Harry Styles shirt. Those fans will like anything. And I haven't checked recently so this could've changed by now, but I noticed the other day that Kit and Tobie were the only two from the cast still consistently gaining followers.

Tbf I asked everyone to bring the horniness on this thread. Disappointed people stopped it so early. Talk about how badly you want joe to sit on your face or suck kits dick, lads.

R67 tobie gaining followers while joe is losing seems…unusual to me?

R68 My obligatory expression of horniness.

R69 I don't know how to describe this without sounding shady, but Tobie has more room to gain because he has such a low number of followers comparatively.

R70 just want to motorboat him, the fucking tits

R71 I mean more it’s such a random time for tobie to grow. Kit growing even as joe starts to lose infuriates me but makes sense, he’s built as fuck and very broadly appealing looks wise so when his shirtless pics come up every few days he picks up followers. Not calling tobie ugly in the slightest, but there aren’t shirtless photos of him looking hench floating around so I’m puzzled

R70 well done. My contribution. Joe has such insane sex appeal to me, I don’t know how any queer man can resist wanting to face Fuck him and then worship his body

Something for everyone.

R69 not to go into it again but probably lost of few from both sides based on that mini four hours long-backlash. Presumably an on-main cast post (Kit) would shift it again

R68 I would like to live with my face buried in Joe’s arse. I’d learn to breath through my ears

R75 HOT HOT HOT HOT

R73 He's been posting more of Joe and Kit and Joe and Kit have been reposting/posting him more.

R73 Tobie might be gaining from hanging with Joe and Kit. As in the people who already follow Joe and/or Kit are following Tobie for content but Joe's not gaining any (and Kit not that much) because they have kind of reached their max audience for now

R76 you’re so real. Joes hot little body is so absurd to me. Maybe like bash I’d also lose my fucking mind after being dumped

R79 that makes sense, thank you.

R70 Holy. Is this recent?

R81 oh mate. There’s a whole YouTube vlog. Enjoy

Related but I still can’t get over Jeremy o Harris apparently knowing and liking joe well enough to be able to find a personal video to post for his birthday? Joe on broadway, or “prestige off broadway” for a shorter run play, is looking more and more likely

R83 I suspect it'll be something with a limited engagement since I don't think he'll be able to commit to a year between Marvel and (likely) HS4. Wish we had any sort of clues as to what it could be. Jeremy O. Harris would make me think play, but what Joe's actually said makes me think musical.

R84 yeah Eric produces a lot of shorter run things, like the one Aubrey is in actually. Joe would kill it either way.

Lee claimed that Shay was the source of the "Bash being dumped" thing, meanwhile Shay told Connor's stan that only they and their friends/family know what happened. Lee for sure has some sort of pathological lying problem.

R86 Can’t imagine being that much of a liar over Bash of all people.

This is the school, right?

I thought they were filming somewhere else this week? Getting a bit greedy for bts content, I won’t lie.

R89 One of the MUAs posted from the school so they're definitely based out of there today, but IIRC they're supposed to film in Windsor in November.

Wasia Project’s touring next year, their own thing in February and opening for Tom Odell in March and April. Pretty cool.

R91 they’re doing really really well and it’s clearly something they’re really passionate about, cool for them.

R90 I hope for everyone’s sake but especially tiny perpetually cold joe that they finish filming all outdoor scenes soon

Saying Charlie is bash’s boyfriend is now an attack on his safety, unless you’re lee’s friends in which case you can list nonstop about how they’re madly in love

Fans in all the far corners of hstwt have been absolutely feral in the last 24 hours. I’ve seen all kinds of shit. I’ve decided to just follow my new favourite subsection of the fandom I didn’t know existed until the last thread; the Kit’s Feet guys. They’re great

R94 as someone who isn’t into feet at all, I love those guys. Proudly unhinged. Also like the guys who cheerful talk about wanting joe to live sitting on their face. Truly excellent blokes all around

Excuse Vicky’s editing but this horny screenshot of them staring at one another up close is even funnier when you remember bash was also there doing everything short of dry humping Kit and shoving joe off screen

R95 feet not my thing either (I like nice ones but I’m not obsessed), but they really have their priorities sorted. Crunchy out there whining about Kit’s dirty trainers, meanwhile some guy is talking about jerking off to what they imagine his feet smell like after wearing them. I spent 45 min today getting lost in their accounts. They are extremely focused

R97 the five of them live in a blissful, beautiful echo chamber.. I like the one who notes frequently that joe hasn’t shown us his feet yet and seems upset by that. The other supportively like those posts too. I hope he reveals his toes to you soon king

R92 Speaking of cold, really curious as to what they're going to do about the Menorca scenes. Kit's going to freeze to death.

R93 Something so funny about them searching for any mention of Bash in order to fight. They even got into it with someone that likes Bash, that's how paranoid they are.

R94 It's a pretty fun rabbit hole to go down. A lot of kinky guys seem really into Kit and Joe.

R96 Try as he might, Bash never came close to having the same spark with Kit that Joe does. Joe and Kit are genuinely interesting together while Kit had to singlehandedly carry the dynamic between himself and Bash.

Oh, and we’re meant to think he didn’t eat Charlie’s ass in the hotel room alone later that night? If I was isaac or sahar and I slept on the damn floor so these two fuckers could take a vow of chastity and snuggle I would be livid

R96 it’s even funnier knowing what Joe was saying in that moment

R99 I think part of it being that while I do think Kit genuinely liked bash, I think he really valued what Joe had to say both because Joe is funnier and smarter but also because he’s so soft spoken. Especially in that interview where bash didn’t let him get a word in, I noticed Kit trying his best to listen closely to the few sentences Joe managed to get out

R100 sorry the clip I was referencing

Looks like Yaz was at a friend's birthday the night of Fisayo's wedding. I still maintain that her face looks different.

R99 I haven’t really come across the Joe kink guys yet. Only a matter of time

R104 I mean she looks amazing but ngl skipping a wedding fully for a birthday party is a bit off. I get maybe she just sees the cast as colleagues and maybe it’s unfair to judge her for that but not the best look. I do think shes stunning and a fantastic advocate and given how fucked our government is, it’s going to take a lot more than her being standoffish to the cast for me To not root for her and the rest of the trans cast.

R105 they’re fewer in number but they’re there. I think the larger demographic of guys who would be really into joe aren’t familiar with HS. My guess is after Agatha we’ll see a large spike in hairy more dominant 30 something men on twitter matter of factly discussing how they want to fuck him against walls and cum on his face

R106 I welcome this change

There was a pretty high likelihood that Joe's family was still in town when he went to Fisayo's wedding, right? It'd be pretty sweet of him to have gone under those circumstances.

R102 Both Joe and Kit seem significantly smarter than Bash, so that makes sense. Still laugh at Kit's pitch-perfect, simple golden retriever impression of Bash.

R108 I’d guess so though I guess maybe not? But I presume they headed home yesterday. Still seriously sweet that presumably his parents and stepparents get along well enough to joint coordinate his eighteenth birthday and a group trip to visit him and bring his baby sister to frozen. Bash could learn something

R108 I could be totally off here because it’s not my Timezone but I thought Joe went to the matinee of Frozen with his truly cute sister, and then to the wedding that evening.

R110 Frozen was Friday night. Wedding was Saturday!

R110 Frozen was Friday night, wedding was Saturday night.

they must have had a short day of filming on Friday with Joe being able to make it to the theatre by 7

R106 Yaz is doing her own thing and I respect that. There’s no point in faking it if she’s not that close with the cast anymore. She looks stunning.

Although Joe seeing that search on TikTok made me cringe; if my costar and I were both single and we were getting shipped I would be that kind of little shit too tbh.

Tiktok fans have no chill

R116 Oh, ew. My whole body just shrivels up with second hand embarrassment at this shit.

I can tell from the tags I'd rather watch Bash act than watch that tiktok. Sorry, I'll pass.

I’ve watched the show Everything Now. Thank you to the one DLer who suggested it. It’s really good. I wish Joe had a storyline like what but I don’t think Alice will write such a compelling story about his ED. It’s going to be a hard to compete.

so looks like the carnival is going to be part of s3…..

how far into vol. 5 is the carnival?

R121 i think its the end of v5

An absolute speed run on Charlie’s big storyline. He admits he has an eating disorder, gets worse, goes inpatient, comes out, I think canonically relapses? Or at least has a shit Christmas from this winter, and then recovers enough to have sex and wear crop tops all within 8 episodes. Fuck Alice seriously, this is absurd. Can joe/Charlie have one season?

Someone can post the carnaval pages? I don’t remember that storyline.

Imogen and Elle are getting cooked in the quote tweets.

Starting to think they didn’t renew for season 4.

R124 Some of it is here, some of it hasn’t been published publicly yet.

R125 laughed at that, strong agree with the, re imogen especially.. Also a lot of morons who think the big issue with the mental health storylines is actually that nick is undeveloped and we need to spend more time with his mental health journey, Charlie’s is getting enough. Are we watching the same show.

R126 We won't know for a while, I think, but Alice has been way too chill for there not to have been a S4 renewal. And even with the speed-run there's still another book left. There's a good chance that she's just a terrible TV writer and struggles with pacing.

I’m just pissed off for joe, ngl. He deserved a season to actually be the lead and have his story developed. And not looking forward to more people saying to trust Alice when clearly she doesn’t give a shit

I legit think she’s going to skip the inpatient scenes and just have it be Charlie checks into inpatient end of one episode, opening of next episode the entire experience is something Charlie describes in like, a 3 minute session with Geoff and nick describes in a conversation with his mother (or with our luck, imogen), and that’s it

If they speed run Charlie's issues I seriously don't even care/want a S4. The story is dragging as it is and nobody cares about their long distance relationship drama

R124 It's the newest stuff being updated publicly. Right after is when they go and give each other hand jobs

I wished for Jenny to have more to do, but seriously we do not need two asexual coming out journeys in S3 either

Nick's body double, who I assume is going to be an extra for the carnival stuff because that isn't a Nick outfit. I wonder if Michael's casting will leak?

R132 if they speedrun Charlie while giving imogen and Isaac and everyone else storylines and deciding that apparently nicks uni choice is SO pivotal in s3, I also want it to be the last season so Joe is free from this show and can actually be treated like a colead

Charlie basically plays at the carnival, Nick nearly runs late to see him, he makes it, before the carnival Charlie gains confidence to wear a tshirt. They head off earlier than their friends and have their first time.

That’s what I remember off the top of my head. Someone should post the pages though!

Makes me think they’re getting no season 4 and maybe just more episodes? They’d need 12 eps at a minimum.

R134 Hot

R136 a croptop but yeah, also leads to Charlie taking off his shirt in front of Nick for the first time. Aka deep into recovery. So joe gets fuck all in regard to actually getting a well developed storyline

OR they’re filming two seasons at once in no chronological order but it’s all confusing either way and rushed.

R137 nah, 8 is fine, the key is to fuck over Charlie’s storyline by one of the two strongest actors to instead develop imogen, two asexual storylines, nicks university choices, introduce Michael Holden, and I presume some other random character arc Alice decides she likes

The thing is, they could absolutely do a (for Heartstopper) well-developed storyline with 8 episodes and a properly placed time jump, but not with all of the supporting characters getting storylines.

R142 I honestly just disagree with the time jump. Someone on the subreddit made the point that there were 7 coming out scenes which I thought was hyperbole but realized no, Nick comes out to Charlie, Tara and Darcy, Elle, his mum, kind of imogen, the Paris people, his dad, and the school via instagram (so actually 8 coming out scenes). I get coming out is a lifetime process but if we have time for 8 of those Charlie can get more than a time jump for 3 fairly severe mental illnesses/eating disorders/self harm behaviors

R142 I get you. I take back my annoyance and agree that they’d totally get it somewhat write IF it was just Nick, Charlie and their small group of friends.

R142 I fear people are expecting too much from this show. It’s not like we’ve been getting rich, well-developed storylines thus far. It sucks but Alice is not a great screenwriter. I’ve given up and accepted it.

Tal begging for tattoo reviews. Hopefully next he begs for art reviews and joe leaves him on read

R143 I think a time jump would absolutely work towards the end of the season, somewhere after Charlie's first relapse and a number of therapy sessions showing that he's back on track/before the carnival without shorting him on his journey, but YMMV obviously.

R147 Good point I also think the only other thing could be filming 2 seasons at once because Joe and Kit are getting older but that seems a bit chaotic.

R147 I mean I’m just annoyed that it’s always Charlie getting short shifted. We could’ve montaged half of nicks 8 coming out scenes but didn’t. I frankly don’t think we needed the IG coming out on top of the Paris one, don’t think the imogen one was needed at all, etc. You’re probably right that it could be well done in some way but sick of the probably most important storyline in terms of it being handled delicately being an afterthought.

Anyway even if you’re right, and you may well be, that it could be done well, let’s be very real that this is Alice writing so it will be done terribly and once again rob joe of a chance to truly show his skills

Alice would be insanely whiny if she had to film something she hadn't drawn/written yet. There's no way

And I was wrong, they do the hand jobs before the carnival, I just don't see how they can get to the actual sex scene in S3. There's just no way.

R147 I actually agree. And would make sense for setting up S4 as the last aka them finishing school.

I mean there’s also added context re time jump that again, joe has had fuck all chance to shine as the lead and now suddenly use of a time jump when it’s his storyline, but. Ok

This is a pretty good summary. Nick and Charlie, Elle and Tao, Tara and Darcy, sahar and imogen, the teachers, tori and Michael. And two asexuality journeys. Plus nicks uni struggles, imogen presumably realizing she’s sapphic, two ace storylines. I think joe fans would be actually stupid to trust Alice and not be preemptively concerned rn

R149 Pretty much why I added the bit about the supporting storylines. There are certain circumstances that would need to be met for it to be done well but unless I hear otherwise, I don't trust Alice to meet them. I think the time jump is almost inevitable since it's part of Charlie's storyline in the comics and she keeps insisting that she's sticking to the comics when asked, but from what I remember I hate where she's placed it.

R154 just losing patience that when she’s gotten very mild critiques that maybe two seasons is a lot to drag out coming out, there’s the whole “coming out is a lifetime process!!” Answer from her and fans. Which like, sure, but I promise you recovering from anorexia, OCD, self harm, and depression all at once is pretty fucking close to a lifelong process

R153 Just going from the comic.... its' going to be a stretch to fit all that shit in. Did a summary since none of those people are in what is being adapted, so no sure how the fuck they can shove all that in

I say Charlie gets 2 episodes max, one being Nick's episode.

R156 wow a riveting nick storyline

I think the university stuff is going to be limited to the last episode for season 3 and it’s going to be a set-up for the drama in season 4. Something like Charlie will tell him he’s fine with Nick applying to Leeds but they’ll telegraph inner turmoil.

This condescending twat and people like them. S2 script already treated Charlie like a side character. So fucking sorry people don’t have faith in alice

R155 Coming out is not a even a good storyline. It’s tired and been done a million time. She didn’t even go into the real aspects of Nick being bi and what that looks like in real life. Everything was superficial.

R158 Sooo basically Nick's storyline is the main plot since Charlie's gonna get over taking over his shirt in an hour

R159 Why would any Joe/Charlie fan trust Alice after S2. She doesn't deserve any trust.

It’s honestly almost funny to strike gold with an actor like joe who absolutely bodies his role with zero experience and then promptly gets cast in marvel, increasing potential audience, and decide to give him nothing to work with

R161 If uni visits and the carnival takes place in the last episode, it can’t be the main storyline.

The conversations about trusting alice are legit hilarious. Random Fan - I trust Alice. She knows how much Charlie's story means to people. She said she wouldn't skip it. Joe fan - Well, Alice said Charlie's storyline in S2 was equal to Nick's, she can't be trusted. Random Fan - Well, I trust Alice.

??

R164 So S4 is about Nick again then.

I hope you find something interesting that far up Alice’s rectum.

R165 About Nick and Charlie dealing with long distance, I guess.

Always the optimist whilst Twitter looses its shit lol

R164 if you have any confidence at all based on what we’ve seen and how s2 went that Charlie will be the MC and get the most developed storyline, I genuinely admire your faith in Alice.

R168 Takes a special talent to be this single minded and horny

R168 Fixating on Joe and Kit's chemistry is probably the most enjoyable way to consume the show at this point. No storyline worries, just vibes.

Could season 4 be the comic she hasn’t even written yet ??

R168 I honestly almost admire how she is from what I’ve seen. She’s super happy with whatever scraps she gets and doesn’t let anyone get to her. I saw a couple of people that were mad about Joe’s like yesterday and quote tweeting Joe/Kit fans telling them that Joe was mocking them (the fans are so self-important, he’s having fun and messing with Kit if anything), and it’s water off her back.

looks like Corinna is working on 2 shows simultaneously

R174 Good for her. Not like Alice is giving her much to work with.

R174 And David, apparently? Isn't that the intimacy coordinator? Anyway, get ready for a season of all Imogen, all the time y'all!!!! (Kill me.)

R173 the comment seems to be deleted now (at least I don’t see it anymore). wouldn’t be surprised if these same people bullied the person into deleting it.

R173 She’s so chill but has no chill in a so far good way. I saw Joe’s like as a “hahah people ship us; we’re doing our job right then, sending this to Kit” like there was no sort of intention behind it

R173 honestly given half the time suggested searches on joes videos are “joe Locke ugly” “joe Locke bullying”, he was probably just happy to see something fun

R176 oh, you’re right, that didn’t even register. seriously, with just the crumbs we‘ve gotten so far, there’s already way too much Imogen.

R177 I still see it, top comment with 3,320 likes. Surprisingly, seems like people managed to show restraint on TikTok because there haven't been any new replies under it since Joe liked it.

And we were right, crunchy. Though given she only cares about Kit she probably though s2 was a huge success

R181 They really don’t get the crazy shipping that most romantic actors get. They’re lucky.

R183 Yeah, the shipping they get is less conspiracy-based and psychotic than I've seen happen with other leads. One of the LATAM Joe/Kit shippers was tweeting earlier today that they're all aware that they're not together and that they ship it because they like the dynamic and think they could be something special together, stuff like that. Compare that to Chris Colfer and Darren Criss shippers that to this day think that Darren's wife is a beard.

R182 They don't seem to realize how many people didn't like S2 and not just us bitching about it.

And it seems likely that Nick will have a lot more screentime vs Charlie next season. Which I know was an argument a few days ago that he wouldn't this season, but he's going to get three separate storylines away from Charlie. The vacation, recapping everything and how he spent his time and the uni trip. He's also randomly have something to do with Tao and Imogen or something. I remember people begging Alice for Nick to spend time with Tao when Charlie is away and for them to bound.

It’s like every second day we get more evidence that Charlie’s ED is being sped over, Tara has been replaced with Imogen, there are a lot of ensemble scenes again. It’s disappointing as a Joe fan. At least he seems to be having fun onset and they’re still giving good personal content

R186 honestly I’m sure he’ll still give an amazing performance and be very professional but if as it appears he once more got fucked over in storyline, I hope he does just see this as a chance to hang out with friends and be closer to home for a few months rather than taking it too seriously. Seriously deserves a better show, writer, and fanbase

R185 Tao Nick best friend time is a lock to me. Honestly, I hate that twist but anything to stop Imogen Nick time. Will also deserves better scene partner than Yaz. I was hoping that would be Joe but ya know, it’s not worth hoping for more time for Joe

R184 Or the Larry shippers that think Louis faked having a child. They’re crazy.

R186 I'm resigned to it happening. When Alice dropped Charlie mostly from S2, when she could have added scenes of him struggling, I figured it was done. The show is not lasting for more than 4 seasons at most and she'll want to move on to get to the cute queer boys being cute. Nick gets to come out half a dozen times to people who were fucking stupid for not knowing he was dating Charlie, but Charlie gets cured and in a crop top by the end of S3.

And yeah, at last Joe is having fun on set.

This is such a stupid take. The phenomenon of shippers hating female characters that they view as an obstacle to their ship is absolutely a thing, but Imogen was never a threat to Nick and Charlie.

Is it not possible the carnival scenes they are filming this season have nothing to do with the carnival scenes from the book? I mean there was a whole prom episode that never happened in the books. I say that just because I can’t see how they will get all the way to the carnival in 8 episodes.

Unless it is confirmed they wont get a season 4 and Alice is rushing through the books. Honestly, if they aren’t getting a S4 she should just cut the story short rather than half ass her way through.

R192 I think it’s the one from the comic. I’m not completely up to speed on that because I low key kind of hate them and only read them because I wanted to know what would happen (they’re shit art and shit story but ymmv). Cram Charlie’s story into S3 - along with about 30 others and more Nick and his besties time - ending in the Carnival. S4 can be about Nick moving, finishing school etc

Tbh a lot of the fans want more Nick time (more time with Tao, more time with Tara, weirdly more time with Elle), time with Tori, more time spent on Nick’s mental health (surprised by that). They don’t actually mean trust Alice, they just mean it doesn’t matter to them as long as Nick is centred in the story. If the whole Charlie ED storyline is seen through Nick’s eyes in one ep with overall less screen time for Charlie/Joe, they wouldn’t care. I think the fanbase is so up Alice’s arse that it’s about the criticism of her that is their issue - they don’t actually care about giving Charlie’s story equal weight

I need Joe and Kit in a REAL queer role directed by a queer man. Seeing the hype for this film makes me very happy.

R194 I agree in part but would add if any of nicks storylines were cut, somehow a lot of the “trust Alice” people would suddenly sing a different tune. For many their weird projection onto nick as a character > Alice >>> Charlie, and since they project nick onto Kit and Charlie onto joe, similar shit happens with the actors

R195 same. Even the cynical bitches on the broader DL are hyped

There are valid critiques of racism in the fandom (how okay everyone is with imogen replacing Tara) but thinking will and Yaz don’t have great chemistry and Yaz is a weak actress isn’t one of them

R196 oh yeah. Absolutely, tbc, they love Alice but they love Nick more. I will sell my house if any Nick storyline is cut (except maybe the other dog) but they would absolutely lose their minds if they feel he’s sidelined. Nothing to worry about for them

R198 saw that. The idea that most of fandom are gays is LAUGHABLE. She’s been a real cunt recently. You can feel her waiting to pounce on Joe. Still heavily implying that celebrities (Joe) shared something. I keep having to remind myself that she is a child and a lot of her takes are fucking idiotic because she is literally still in highschool

R200 same, like she gets leeway from me because she is a child, crunchy & co. on the other hand hell no

R200 I think once they’ve decided you can do no wrong, you’re fine and once they’ve decided you’re “problematic” you’re fucked and can do no right. Joe liked a dog whistle post, unliked fast, and donated to Palestinian kids privately — he is an ignorant awful fool. Kit never posts about anything politically? He is wise enough to know it’s complex and is a woke king. Much as I dislike him now, thinking back a few years, bash likes a JD post and he’s satan; Will says he’s his favourite actor and critiquing will for that is racist. For the record this isn’t me saying Kit should post about politics or that he’s wrong for not. I don’t post about them at all and still consider myself really progressive and politically active and aware. Nor is it critiquing will or reluctantly bash for being pulled in as teenagers by an all time great PR job painting JD as an innocent man. Just that their double standards if they like you or don’t are insane; if joe suddenly stopped posting or liking on any social issue they’d probably snidely call him a sellout or something

Connor jessup super fan turning into a joe stan and seeming to low key resent bash is truly a hilarious development

R203 These random twitter people must be lurkers because there’s no way they’re regurgitating exactly what is said here. Even paraphrasing.

R204 tbf to them, they are famous here

R204 give her a break, this is probably the only site that mentions Connor more than once a month

R204 I get most offended when the lurkers paraphrase my best lines. Little Marvel muscles is possibly a coincidence but I’ve seen Victorian Orphan Face more than once on Twitter and I really do think that was my personal hot take

R206 Bash’s LPSG thread being the other

R207 Victorian orphan face is yours and it’s glorious. As the person who says on here the most that joes face was made for broody period pieces, I hope your phrase goes viral and you can take partial credit when he’s eventually cast in some moody Victorian film

R203 If you were unfortunately a Connor fan who would you rather him be friends with. I can't blame her. Lucky for her, Joe nation accepts all converts. There's still time to make the correct choice even if Connor didn't

blame Alice’s shitty writing for that

R211 Genuinely can’t understand the fans that prefer season 2.

R212 I think joe and Kit wise, in their private moments, I get it. They’re horny as fuck and so hot. But plot wise? Has to be s1

R203 Accusing Alice of being "lost in the fandom of Kit Connor" is low-key hilarious given that Alice doesn't give a fuck about Kit. Would have loved that energy when he was being harassed about his sexuality and people were trying to get him fired from the show.

R214 I mean there’s hyperbole there for sure. I don’t think Alice gives a fuck about either joe or Kit, but I do think she cares about fan adoration and what Netflix has to say. Fans are all about nick and Kit as the perfect boyfriends and could care less about joe and Charlie. Netflix is the same. Do Alice writes MC nick Nelson and his quests with 500 side characters and Charlie’s storyline gets shortchanged

r203 i am pretty sure there was tons of energy and support for Kit everywhere including DL. UNLIKE whenever Joe gets dragged and shit on

R214 She’s lost in the money Kit brings. She should pay for his therapy sessions (and Joes).

R214 I agree with you here. Fuck the way he was treated for six months by Alice and Patrick. They just let the media continually ask him about it too. That being said Nick/Kit is 80% of the edits, 80% of TikTok, 80% of the fan accounts on Twitter. Alice is a desperate people pleaser. She’s writing Nick as the MC

R216 Going to need to you go ahead and re-read what I'm saying.

R216 come on now, I’m a massive joe fan who hates how much the fandom favours joe but we don’t need to get into a “joe suffered more” “Kit suffered more” thing. Joe absolutely deserves more support, but both were online bullied to a crazy degree, clearly very hurt by it, and got no support at all from Alice or Patrick. I agree that the media, fans, etc glossed over joes clear self esteem damage and body dysmorphia but no need to compare them

R220 how much the fandom disfavors joe rather

R216 tbh Kit was absolutely shat on here. The biphobia was off the charts. I’m a Joe fan and fucking hate the way he was/is talked about, his looks, his acting, the blatant homophobia. But that DL was always supportive of Kit just ain’t it. I’m pretty sure Kit’s threads were intentionally flooded by Twitter girlies trying to turn him into a pookie and policing all over the place because the Elders on here were being absolutely revolting and they got wind of it

R222 tbh yeah the threads were absolutely horrific about him and joe. Bash was the only one who didn’t get lashed. Kit was absolutely called fat and faking being queer, joe was called ugly and monkey like constantly and they said bash was way out of his league. Neither was well treated by DL until late last year

R216 What are you on about? Kit gets called ugly and fat here to this day. This thread is the exception.

R223 that wonderful day when we discovered that there were a bunch of filthy twink loving gays on this thread. My favourite day here by a mile

R223 the nuking of the individual threads was actually the best thing to happen on here

R214 The way Alice left Kit (and Joe) out to dry should’ve turned the oversensitive tween fandom against her and it didn’t. It’s absolutely insane to me that it didn’t.

R227 I think many weee mollified by her and Patrick posting shit after Kit came out which was too little too late, neither has ever said a word in defense of joe. Absurd

Actually asking, aside from Kit and bash, has anyone from the cast ever commented on the bullying joe has gotten?

Cast and crew I should say, so including Alice Patrick etc

R230 Have a feeling it’s something Joe probably didn’t want to get others involved (that doesn’t include the grown up producers who refer to themselves as parent figures).

R228 I need them to wake the fuck up and realize that the teen cast relying on each other to get through the bullying and harassment without a peep from the chronically online creator and producer is disgusting. Alice can go to hell for only saying something after the trolls broke Kit and not having said anything in defense of Joe at all.

R231 eh I doubt he wanted anyone making public statements on his behalf but given both Kit and bash replied to public tweets he made, clearly hurt, don’t think he would’ve declined a supportive tweet from some of the others

R228 I honestly think they just don’t care about Joe at all, and don’t take online bullying seriously. Joe is threatened with violence just for existing and getting to kiss Kit for his job. There is constant calls for him to be recast and they don’t say a word. Joe has actively gone from an enthusiastic out gay boy to an introverted, extremely private man with damaged self esteem and they have never said a word about how the online abuse is fucked - and it’s from the actual fandom. The queerbaiting stuff isn’t as widespread but is still out there and they are silent again. Yaz’s hate isn’t as visible but the death threats she has mentioned have never been publicly address by them. They really should be ashamed of how they have treated the young, mainly brand new to the industry, cast.

I would like to state before I get piled on that I know I’m being hyperbolic. Joe is obviously much more extroverted again now that he is single but I maintain there is clear damage.

Apparently residents have been handed out letters about fireworks by the school they’re filming at tonight.

R236 They have budget this season.

The acting circles in London are small enough that this could be nothing, but Tobie followed this actor recently. He follows both of the people that do casting for the show, plays 16-30 according to his Spotlight profile, has curly hair, and follows and is followed by Jenny.

R237 can’t possibly be more than they spent on Paris last year though

Wait, wrong link, meant this guy.

R237 I mean, they went to Paris last year. Fireworks is pretty tame. So they’re filming the NYE scene tonight, I guess. That seems like it would have been a natural place to end the show if they were giving Charlie’s plot the correct weight. Nvm

R240 welcome Michael Holden - this makes Twitter in 3, 2, 1…

R238 hot! I was mildly confused with the first link, but that one tracks…

R240 he’s hot but saying he plays 16 seems generous of his agents. He really looks late 20s

R241 I need them not to run with this because there isn't any actual evidence, I just throw everything out there because stuff sometimes sticks.

R241 the fireworks thing has already made it

I wouldn’t be mad at that, the least this show can do is give us a hot Michael.

R240 He's hot if he's Michael.

R243 No shade, but he kinda fits Jenny, at least show Jenny. Real Jenny looks 10 years younger than she does in the show

God, I am so fucking gay.

R238 Leila also recently followed him

And Leila wasn’t at the wedding, right? Another point in favor of show involvement.

R248 I got told off by some never-posting Frau the other day for suggesting that we basically all should be but my hope is most of us are

Another hot actor that’ll have to play chaste. Sad life for horny fans but i’m glad jenny possibly gets a hot boyfriend on the show. Will be happier if Imogen gets nothing next season.

R252 Well, they fuck once. A hot pansexual. Tori was right that he'd eventually get tired of it and resent her and break up or whatever she said.

R253 It’s going go be so weird when Tori gets a storyline out of nowhere next season. Still don’t understand why they couldn’t give Jenny at least 10 mins of screentime in s2.

I don't understand underusing Jenny. A lot of reviews complained about it. Though if you fuck over Charlie, you can't do much with his sister I guess.

And the fact that there's gonna be two asexuals in the small groups of friends is also crazy

R255 yep. That’s it right. If Charlie’s main function is good boyfriend, his family is way less important. All of Tori’s scenes with Charlie are about Nick. All of Charlie’s scenes with his parents are about Nick.

A generous king wants to give Charlie 3 whole episodes in S3 (with side stories included) and a whole episode for Nick's vacation. Like, we are going to be the only people who complain about S3 if it ends up being like we think it will be

[quote] Season 1 covered two volumes. I remember people predicting the Paris Trip (volume 3) would take 6 episodes - it took 3 (About an hour and a half. The length of a movie). I kinda feel Charlie's mental health spiral/hospitalization is the same... about as long as a movie to properly cover. Throw in a side character story arc or two and bam. 3 episodes. An episode leading up to the Menorca trip, 3 or so episodes to get us through Charlie's journey, then the rest of the season covers from his birthday

R257 as long as there is more Nick.

R255 2 asexuals, 2 bi, 2 gays (if you count james), 2 lesbians, 1 ally (tao) and no one gives a shit about elle’s sexuality I guess? (being trans is already too much in alice’s head)

R257 I just hope we’re done with very anxious Nick and Charlie and we won’t spend another season of hugs and kisses.

Anyway, again, I’m the original person to mention Everything Now. If you’re interested or would like to see the experience of ED reflected I can really recommend. It’s handled beautifully. It is about a girl rather than a boy which I know quite a lot of gays were hoping to see because it’s rare but i think it will still speak to you. Rest of the show is just okay, unfortunately the straight relationship storyline is one of the most interesting but I really hope Netflix don’t can it. It doesn’t seem to be getting a lot of traction but as far as Sapphic shows go it’s the best they’ve made and they should renew it

Also, shockingly, they manage to fill a whole season, beginning to end, with the ED storyline and a number of side stories. Who knew a topic like that could be treated as important and pivotal to a character

The qrt on the hot takes tweet are giving me life. I hope Patrick and Alice are seeing it and shaking in their boots about how much time they’re giving Imogen. Dickheads

R263 The tiktok and instagram fans LOVE imogen so sadly, don’t think it will do much.

R263 I can't believe someone actually said the story should focus more on Nick though. Maybe just show 1/4th of the back of Charile's head instead of the whole back of his head

R265 presumably it will in S3, dw Nick fans

I went to look through the credits to see if Alice used consultants for S2. She didn't and she should've for Charlie's storyline. But I did find confirmation that Joe did his ADR while he was shooting Agatha.

R267 holy shit. Did he ever not work

R267 adr?

R269 Re-recording dialogue for the show.

R269 Automated dialogue replacement (though I actually had to look up what it was abbreviated for). It’s where they re-record lines you can’t hear properly or if a character sighs or takes a deep breath and it wasn’t caught, they record those two. It’s time consuming

sorry for getting off topic a bit, today I came across a video about relationships and exes and why some don't delete their ex's photos from their social media after the breakup, and it reminded me of Bash, the explanation of the video was that he doesn't delete the pictures because those photos increase his value in the "love market", he wants others to see that he once dated him (Joe)

Did Kit post and delete a TikTok or is this person trolling? I don't have notifications on for TikTok.

R272 That checks out.

R272 That sounds a bit weird to me. If I was looking to date a guy and saw his ex all over his instagram, that would put me off.

R274 Charlie has a pic kissing his ex on his IG still. Not Sam. the guy before. He's a clout chaser. Bash's association with Joe helps him in a roundabout way. Makes sense if you are a fucking weirdo

R267 his work ethic is insane. Alice, take notes

R273 god I want to know what this is.

R277 there’s a quote too

They’re so fucking annoying when they refuse to give info. Guessing maybe a reply to joes video or something, idk

The MUAs are all having a sleepover in Slough so I wouldn't be surprised if the cast is also together, which is why I need to know what the fuck Kit posted (if he posted anything at all).

How do these idiots not immediately save something the second it comes out

and another one. this is pissing me off..

Okay, I think it might be trolling, the person that replied asked what happened deleted their reply and quote tweeted with this.

For reference.

God, he’s so hot.

R285 I don’t think I’ve ever seen this. Really hot

R284 Either trolling, or that person found whatever it is.. doubt they‘d find anything before us though and sounds like something deleted

BTW, if you guys want to embed tweets change the "x" to "twitter" in the URLs and it should work.

R283 fucking idiots. They did get us though. I have absolutely no doubt at least two of you (and me) were deep in search for this

R288 thanks! R289 ashamed of myself

Are they all lying?

R291 yes.

Also poor Connor jessuo super fan. Has about 10 QRT saying she’s so wrong and dumb. Sorry, she may be wrong in terms of Alice liking Kit more (she doesn’t give a fuck about either) but the show is absolutely the nick Nelson show. The fandoms willingness to jump down joes throat from the time he was 17 on while also coddling nearly 30 year old Alice is remarkable

I’m going with lying, otherwise it’s pretty convenient that only this girl and her friends saw whatever Kit allegedly posted and all of them seem to have lost the ability to read or reply to tweets asking about it.

Kit fans are such cunts to joe on twitter and elsewhere , it’s truly remarkable

R280 what is MUA

I know there are people who disagree on here and honestly that’s fine. Variety of opinion is good (except about Joe and Kit’s - that is irrefutable) but I strongly believe that Charlie’s whole story will be about carers fatigue and those who love him rather than him. That would only take an episode or two.

R294 highly recommend not looking at the Kit most obsessive fan accounts at the moment. They are out there finding every positive Joe post and ripping it to shreds in the last two days. Not entirely sure what set it off

R295 you’re fun. Make Up Artist

R295 Make-up artist.

R292 Just went and looked, why are half of the people defending Alice in the quote tweets people with Joe icons? And someone tried to blame the fandom but if the fandom is influencing Alice's writing that's...on Alice?

Irrefutable is how juicy Kit and Joe’s arses are. Not sure why autocorrect was homophobic and removed the word ‘arses’

R296 thank you, sorry for my ignorance

R292 But trust Alice... to do what she's done for 2 seasons, which is focus on Nick.

Though it's not like Charlie's mental health issues were actually ever well done. I was surprise at how Nick focused the whole thing is in the actual comics. It doesn't bode well for the show.

R297 the Joe pfp often denote Kit stans. My theory is so they can get away with their clear favouritism of him without getting shade - another DLer thinks it’s because Joe is their self insert, which is also a valid view

R296 fairly sure that’s one of the ones I saw. They’re all also now on tirades to try to smugly explain how marvel is dogshit and joe will never be a success because he’s in it, how Kit eats him up acting wise, and how Kit has an it factor he doesn’t. Why they’re so sensitive and such victims about Kit is unclear to me, and why they’re attacking someone who has always publicly and privately had kits back is also unclear.

Not in this or any universe. I feel bad that Will caught strays, but no one would have been able to work with Yaz’s wooden acting.

R303 putting Yaz’s acting aside, their storyline is awful. Tao is a bit try hard on a first date with his best friend and she gives him no benefit of the doubt, snaps at him, ignores him, jumps down his throat when he asks to help with her luggage, and then he somehow ends up apologizing? Emotionally unhealthy af

Loser. I'm glad we debunked it quickly.

A lot of times Joe pfp are to match with their online best mates who have Kit pfps. But in reality both of them are Kit stans and dgaf about joe

R304 She's fucking awful to him. And when she ditched him for her friends at the bonfire? Nice way to end the date.

R303 Elle is an asshole and Yaz can't act. They are kinda a realistic straight couple in a way. Surely they don't stay together forever though?

R297 There are a lot of people that have favorites within the cast, like Joe or Kit, but are show/Alice stans above everything else. It’s fucking weird.

R307 it’s funny that he’s meant to be the socially awkward one when it shows a remarkable lack of social skills to invite new friends your date doesn’t know to the end of your date

R308 They (rightfully) originally broke up and stayed broken up in the Nick & Charlie novella, but one of the edits she made on it was to have them rethink the breakup and get back together.

R302 that initial tweet that person did post was an unnecessary comparison that I can see would set them off but the way they have twisted that into a reason to absolutely shit on Joe as a result is just mean girl shit. My fav was that Joe has only booked one job since HS. Firstly, it’s unclear if that’s true, secondly how is that a bad thing? He had one season of a show and a single play under his belt, and he booked a 10 part series. Most working actors would kill for that level of job security.

I’m not going to link to it all but if you’re into making yourself furious then it’s the usual particularly cunty Kit fans. Easy to find

R311 the way she goes back to edit shit that changes her books is so fucking weird and exactly why I think she would have no problem sidelining Charlie/Joe to keep the fans happy

R312 People in the fandom are absolutely fucking clueless when it comes to actors and the industry. A lead regular role on a Netflix TV series is already more than most actors have, especially at that age. They're all doing fine.

R312 really not being rude here but like, has Kit booked more? We have confirmed Cuban girls guide and one of us for him, the trials and marvel for joe, and then unconfirmed but extremely likely plays for both of them after HS3. Bit confused as to why they acted like Kit filmed a Spielberger film followed by a Nolan film or something. They’re both doing incredibly for their ages, it’s mind blowing

R315 They've both booked two acting projects after HS

R315 The stans twist into pretzels depending on who they prefer. If they prefer Kit, Marvel sucks and Joe's unemployed now anyway. If they prefer Joe, the movies he did suck and Kit's unemployed now anyway.

R314 they’re doing great tbh. All the cast, as a few would struggle to be booked outside of a show like HS (this ain’t at Yaz if anyone thinks that). They have had 3S of work and exposure in a hit show.

R315 there is some theory that Kit has something prestige that is all but confirmed. I thought they meant the play but it does sound like they’re hinting film. Regardless, Kit has his horror as well. Which is clearly the MC of. Just incredible success from both

R317 Let's be real, the movie with Maia will suck. Kit will be good, but just gotta take the L with that one and forget it exists, much like Kit has

R319 it will probably be cute enough for a lot of girlies and gays who like trash. I have no idea what is going on with the author though. She really feeds the sceptics

R312 That person shitting on Joe while reposting Joe's like on tiktok because it's about Kit though. That's the only time they are semi-decent to him.

And sorry, same person said it, but anyone who thinks Kit (or Joe, Yaz, Alice,, whoever) has general public popularity is just flat out delusional. The GP could not name anyone in the cast.

R317 All of these projects are early enough in their careers that they’ll be net positives. Joe proves that he can work in big productions and a different genre with Agatha, Kit proves he can play both gay and straight chemistry believably with Cuban Girl’s and that he can act in a different genre and presumably play a completely different character with One of Us.

R322 agreed. I think people are missing that they’re so incredibly young that right now basically anything that gets exposure is a win, because they’re about 7-10 years off from being in the running for a larger amount of prestigious roles. I also think they’re in a sense in a good spot, because starting on a high of a huge prestige project means you have a long way to fall. Timothee chalamet is going to get absolutely clowned for Wonka, and frankly most of his post CMBYN projects have been trying to sustain the sensitive artiste reputation. Kit and joe are both considered amazing in a sweet and wholesome show that isn’t exactly Citizen Kane. Billy will probably be a pretty complex well developed hero; one of us will probably be a really cool indie that lets Kit show non romantic role chops. They’re both doing great.

I brin up Kit Stans because I know DL rightfully calls out some extremely shitty, biphobic, terrible alleged joe fans (Lexie) but the Kit ones are straight up evil to joe too.

R323 As one of the Kit stans here, clown away at them. I have no clue where the fuck that Alien one even came from.

Ngl, I’m waiting for the Wonka rinsing. Timmy has been nothing but a snobby cunt in the media about his acting choices (despite being in one of the biggest sci-fi novel adaptations) and that an unnecessary sequel will be what he finally gets read for is great. I wish him no prolonged ill will but he could do with some reality

R325 You can tell he's scrambling given that the Dylan biopic is next for him (is there anything more transparently baity than a biopic?), but there's no way that's not going to be another bomb for him, especially if he's singing in it.

R324 it has to be one of the bigger accounts letting off Joe hating steam surely?

R326 ah yes. I’m also waiting for him to do a whole movie with the Dylan voice. Even if the critics love it he will be clowned elsewhere. I sound like I hate him but it really is just a strong dislike of him irl. He’s a pretty good actor (unpopular opinion CMBYN is overrated)

R328 I agree about CMBYN. Armie Hammer is a plank of wood of an actor and the only two scenes that landed for me were Elio's conversation with his dad and then Elio crying towards the end. The dad wound up giving my favorite performance overall.

R327 I wouldn’t be surprised, but I wouldn’t know where to start in terms of figuring out who it could be.

I feel for timothee in the sense that I think he gave a really strong performance in the admittedly overrated CMBYN followe by a strong performance in beautiful boy and then two feminist movies by Greta her wig, so people decided he was an extremely intelligent sensitive artist when he’s actually kind of a goofy New York fuckboy who likes IG models and is thrilled to be fucking Kylie Jenner, which his fans now feel devastated about

R325 ngl I’ve felt his repeating over and over that really respected actors told him to never do a superhero movie is legit pretty rude considering he’s so close to zendaya and Tom, and is further funny because he lost Spider-Man to Tom so this is later in life snobbery that emerged

R329 agree about their performances. Tbf even with that I actually think they have good on screen chemistry. One of those weird things where it just translates even though they are wooden in dialogue. I think it’s what carried it at all.

R331 exactly. Hard time to be a Timmy fan tbh. He really fucked with them.

R332 that he says he wouldn’t reveal the actor and then has clearly made sure behind the scenes that everyone knows it’s DiCaprio is so thirsty

I’ll stop detailing with my Timothee chat now but it was good to get off my chest

R318 I am guessing they mean play. Full offense to them but they’re not very smart. DL would beat them to the punch on films I think. l to be clear the play is absolutely incredible, I just don’t think cursed alien with her two maximum brain cells is figuring out a movie casting

R333 I'm sure it was avoiding CBMs that made DiCaprio's career, not the fact that he's Scorsese's favorite.

R335 also I think times change. I’m sort of a casual marvel fan. It’s absolutely true that while it got your name out to a big audience for a long time being in marvel meant doing basically nothing else because your schedule was so locked in. But as they’ve pivoted to doing more projects and trying to book high prestige actors, that’s switched a lot. While joe is doing TV for them, he’ll have 6 months at a time eaten up; when he moves into films for them (and I’d guess no more than 2 shows before he’s primarily in films) it’s more like three to four months per film every two years or so. Hefty paycheck, name recognition, billy is a great character, not crazy arduous to do other projects around

R336 yeah, Miss Flo is out there staring in at least one small budget indie (that no one watches) and one big budget prestige (or flop) a year with no problems. I think I’m looking forward to Thunderbolts - I love her character.

R334 good point. They’re fighting so hard right now I almost bought into their conviction

R337 The thing is MCU is not doing too good right now and especially their TV shows on disney. Hopefully Agatha becomes successful and avoids the flop treatment m.

R339 I truly think the a lot of the shows are getting shat on more than they deserve. The movies have been far worse (Black Panther / Guardian being the exception)

R339 tbh I think Agatha will be fine, and I say this as a pessimist. Agatha is a property they’re making knowing it won’t appeal to everyone, and I think those are often their best. They seem to really be leaning into camp, the girls and the gays territory which I think is way smarter

R339 Honestly, even in the worst case scenario where it flops, that won't fall on Joe's shoulders. Everyone's been rightfully blaming Feige and the studio. Joe'll still get his paycheck and the experience of acting with new people in a new environment out of it.

Agatha is connected to Wanda, so it'll be fine. Loki is doing well. It's the random other crap that's doing horribly.

ffs, someone is telling Lego in the comments of his latest reel that he‘s too hot for Joe. and I thought it couldn’t get worse than people bullying Lego over all this

R344 It's Lego's sockpuppet account

R344 blindness is hard, praying for them

I can’t see them, so I assume it’s someone I’ve already blocked for some other shit.

I feel like it can only be someone in the fandom because random people wouldn’t have caught onto them fucking.. which is fucked but also not surprising.

R348 Kinda decided not to mention anyone Joe might be fucking in the future because the crazy people can't stop reading here and acting a fool. Unless it's Kit, then we can talk about it

Betting it’s a bash stan, one of his five, or a Kit Stan deluded enough to think that Kit wouldn’t hate them shitting on joe. Especially funny because Kit clearly thinks joe is hot. Also will bet Lego won’t have a callback or delete it the way he would if it was about him

R349 People still harass Maia to this day, so maybe not Kit either.

R351 Insane! She’s just minding her business. These “fans” are on crack.

R350 can’t stand the guy but I can’t see him not delete that shit.. he’s desperate and a clout chaser but that much of a cunt, idk

R353 I hope he deletes before Joe sees it

R354 guessing he wouldn’t anyway, he’s not exactly engaging with Lego’s reels anymore, doubt he’ll check comments..

Bash stan roundup because they make me laugh. Love the self own of basically admitting they talk nonstop about his relationship because he has nothing else happening and his regional play flopped

And them projecting any personality onto Charlie is weird, but especially joes personality (soft spoken, sweet, shy but pretty lively with friends)

R356 they are weirdly obsessed with it. Like the highlight of their day would be Charlie posting on IG.

R358 Lowkey dreading the day Joe or Kit gets into a serious relationship. All the fans will become like this.

R358 oh agreed but it’s funny that they think a good comeback to “you’re obsessed with his relationship “ is “well actually we’re just obsessed with him generally but he has nothing aside from this romance happening”

R359 honestly don’t think it would as much as you think because unlike bash they have other things going for them

R349 while I respect the sentiment I’m always going to primarily hope this place remains gossip. I think we all universally don’t mention serious shit (and well done us) but who he’s fucking is still interesting tbh. We’ve debunked a lot of Kit rumours and were pretty quick and discreet in debunking without broadcasting the last Kit rumour from Reddit. If it can be confirmed I hope we can still talk about it

R356 Speaking of that movie Bash did, Lena Headley dropped out of it and was replaced by Aisling Bea. Small world.

R357 This is the kind of thing I was implying when I made that sarcastic comment about Bash being on the apps, the way homosexuality has to be presented as something cutesy for these fraus to stan. Like, what is this soft boy Charlie shit? He was half naked at a Halloween party all of 2 days ago and he's a gay guy that went to NYU.

R363 wait really re Lena? Aisling is funny but that’s an odd replacement.

And honestly I wouldn’t mind so much if they didn’t act like wholesome is all these guys are. Joe for instance is ridiculously adorable, soft spoken, and sweet. We all say cute aggression all the time because he is cute. He’s also hot, has a filthy sense of humor, and would be phenomenal in bed. But as you say they just want their cutie gay boys

R363 drives me crazy. They are gay men, they behave like gay men. They’re not soft perfect mlm romance characters. I truly think if the fandom new even 10% of actual gay male culture they would die. Bisexual dudes are part of it too - not perfect particularly sensitive boyfriends for women. It’s actually so suss

R364 Yeah, Lena was supposed to play the mom/Susan character that Aisling is playing now.

R366 interesting. I like aisling, she’s funny and I’ve never heard anyone have a bad experience with her

When they just pull things out of thin air…

Wonder if the cast will have a Halloween party this weekend

R368 I keep seeing people claim certain scenes (sex scenes ofc) won’t be filmed because it would make Joe and Kit uncomfortable as if they didn’t sign a contract to be on a Netflix show, knowing they'd have to portray whatever the story requires.

R369 Was last year’s during the weekend or on the actual day?

R370 Nvm, it was the night Kit came out, so the 31st.

R368 Joe and Kit are close enough outside of the show that they have less personal boundaries between each other than most co-stars, why would they be uncomfortable when it's choreographed? These people are morons.

R371 Has it only been a year since he came out?

R373 I had the complete opposite reaction, I can't believe it's going to have been a year already next week.

R373 Oui

R370 the weird shit they claim about what can’t and won’t be filmed is bizarre. Unsurprisingly it is all related to sex

Joe’s starting the day right, liking Derek Chadwick's post. Love his priorities.

These fans are insane

R378 I loved a lot of the hot takes but I had to pull out when I saw that, the people saying Nick should have more screen time and that Tao and Elle were the best couple. Sometimes the tiny voices on Twitter shouldn’t be given oxygen

R377 he likes what he likes

R378 dense people who rely on the overacting to understand what’s going on.

Rough start, but it’s been a banner first year of Kit being publicly out.

Definitely a week they're staying local, up early as hell.

R366 Lena was in Finland just before shooting but broke her foot. That’s probably the reason for the replacement. R383 the Joe body double taged this guy from the set. He could be an extra but he looks very much like Kit. A new body double?

The fandoms on Twitter doing the hot takes thing is always a bad idea but at least it’s somewhat a blocklist for me too.

From now on every time a fan complains about sex in Heartstopper I will write a smut fic without tagging it explicit.

R538 don’t make me be a cunt about some random guy. It’s not fair on him, and it’s not fair on me

R387 I don’t want to say it, either. R384 set him up.

R384 I meant to direct R387 to your post. Maybe it was best I didn’t but here I am qualifying anyway

All of the body doubles are fun house versions of Joe and Kit.

R390 I was gonna say ‘Walmart’ versions but that’s hilarious

Seems like Tal would have seen that comment by now

R392 More than likely, especially if he's working today. His first slots are at 10.

Okay, so he’s a proper POS (as suspected). Thank god it’s over

Lego posted a Story 12 minutes ago and the comment is still up. And he’s definitely gone through his activity given that he mentioned the reviews.

R395 hopefully we have seen the last of Joe interacting with any of his stuff

The fact that he interacted and/or deleted hate comments directed at him but chooses to do nothing here. Fucking scumbag.

What comment are you talking about? I’m totally lost sorry

This comment on his most recent reel:

[quote]so glad you aren’t with the Heartstopper guy anymore. you’re too hot for that entanglement

R398 Chat about it starts at R344

Just if anyone is interested, the carnival at night. I’m going through the socials bored at work, see what I can find. Lol

It was posted overnight. There are only 14 comments on the reel and he’s posted a story this morning. He’s seen it

R401 Thank you! Definitely interested. Local news aren’t giving us much this week.

R400 Jesus. I know trolling and hate comments behind a keyboard in your mother’s basement is a thing, but, what goes through peoples minds to post shit like this? Even if Joe isn’t their type (No taste) why say it so rudely?

Probably just commented it in hopes he’d get a DM or a reaction but fuck them.

He is absolutely a cunt for not deleting it.

R404 yeah, I’m absolutely sure I’ve seen their pfp before so they must have trolled about Joe somewhere else. So essentially they wouldn’t even know who Lego is without Joe and they’ve gone to his profile to shit on him and Lego has just left it there. Absolute cunt

R402 He doesn’t seem to get a lot of comments. Just either horny people or his family I assume (hopefully not both - bad joke sorry.)

R403 I assume the people in that area are used to them popping up at the school and being told not to film/take pictures.

Stuff like the beach and the Nick house filming was excitement and also clearly set up.

Iean towards set up because there was two other really big shows filming around the same time and they got an article each with pictures of trailers and camera crew but nothing ‘spoiler-y’

Great, now some dumbass replied. Seriously? watch him delete the comment now that someone insulted him instead of Joe.

Pixelated crew but nothing else interesting. Manifesting Joe and Kit- Sorry, Nick and Charlie making out on the ferris wheel

R409 I’ll try that again.

R409

R409 Does Nick just show up for Charlie‘s performance in the comic or do they go on any rides together?

For fucks sake lurkers, be cool. What the fuck is your problem- you’re making such that we can’t actually say anything on here and this is where you get all your fucking information. Don’t comment on Tal’s shit no matter how much you love Joe. Gossip is done at a distance shit for brains

R412 That’s low hanging fruit…

Nope, but if they want to make the scene a bit longer they may have them go on rides?

R412 They hang out a bit I think. No rides. I think that's the scene where Nick has his hand on Charlie's stomach? Basically they wanna bang and leave, though I don't really remember exactly. For once it's not a dumb cutesy scene. Don't know what got into Alice.

R412 He shows up, Charlie tells his parents he’s staying over at Nick’s, they eat, Nick gets sparkly about touching Charlie’s stomach, they dance, they get sparkly on the dance floor, they leave to have sex.

They get sparkl-y is great haha but at least with Joe and Kit at least it’ll be intense eye contact and a bit of feeling up and maybe improvised sweet nothings.

Come on Joe and Kit, we all know you guys can make it hot.

I feel like Alice is trying to show they’re not a prude despite being asexual.

They are a prude and it has nothing to do with asexuality, they’re just a moron wanting two cutesy uwu gays.

Thank you all. As much as I hate the idea of Charlie’s arc being rushed, at least there’s something to look forward to I guess. The one day I‘d love to be on set.

R418 Soft shy gays

And I can't believe Alice has made me not want Joe and Kit to pretend to fuck this season. It's gonna be such whiplash given how the season started, but I can see it happening simply out of spite because she got roasted for the lack of sex in S2. Oh well, at least it'll be hot

They’ll have to squeeze in Charlie’s birthday with big red flashing lights that indicate he is now of age and they can touch each others dicks

Like realistically he‘s telling Charlie he wants to eat his ass here.

R421 Way too much happening in that season. The least they could do is extending the episode length.

Joe must be bored on set, following deuxmoi.

Kit's on his phone too, liked one of the Loewe posts. Maggie Smith is a great get but what the fuck did they do to Josh O'Connor? He looks terrible.

R423 Kinda surprised by that. Doesn't seem like something he'd like. Though I guess everyone wants the tea sometimes, even if it's wrong tea half the time.

R424 Meanwhile Lego‘s on his phone deciding it’s a great day to engage with a troll. Yup, adds up.

Fuck Lego.

R425 At the end of the day, we’re all just nosy gays.

R424 lowkey kinda hate these ads from Loewe. the styling/artistic vision i hate. love the people JA gets for them though

R428 Tis true

R427 He should seriously fuck off. I hate him

Hate deuxmoi. So heteronormative, to the point of homophobia tbh.

R427 oh he can choke

R425 I'm a bit surprised he didn't follow it from his finsta.

R427 Of course he only engages when he's insulted and leaves the comment about Joe up. Die.

R431 Heteronormative and skews very white. Both unsurprising if you've ever heard the Deuxmoi girl's voice, she sounds like that kind of person.

R429 The aesthetic is really weird and unfinished. Not going to lie, I was glad Kit got a JWA campaign instead. I tend to like those better.

R431 i’ve always pictured their followers to be fans lf hailey bieber tbh

R435 Surprisingly, Kizzy and Jenny follow them too.

R433 I know it was tea but printing that shit about Kit at Pride was fucked. He wasn’t out - and she claims to never out anyone. She’s also friends with CDAN who, as I’ve mentioned before is an Qanon self-hating gay who accuses half of Hollywood of being closeted, sex pests or child molesters. They are really the lowest

I suppose all the finsta accounts could be full of stories that we never know about, like, tons of info that we don’t have access to. We don’t even know when they post a story from a finsta. Or go live.

Disappointing for nosy little bitch like me.

R437 what did deuxmoi say about Kit at Pride please ?

R438 there was that one fun time Tobie joined Kizzy’s live accidentally from his finsta

R439

R438 Kit just posted 3 times in what, 2 weeks? Definitely feeling some fomo.

R441 Connor's peak was being confused for Kit's boyfriend

R439 before he was out they posted a blind from a volunteer from the Pride VIP area (2022). It said it looked like Kit was there with a boyfriend. It also said Bash and Joe were kissing (and Joe’s mum was there) - I was much less self righteous about reading that

I realise I made it sound way more dramatic than it was - but she shouldn’t have posted it about an 18 yr old who was being harassed about his sexuality.

Yes Nick Nelson baking is the riveting footage we were missing f9r s2.

Tao should die but on the bright side only replying to the insult about himself is, once again, giving dumped

R446 Damn, I thought Tao caught a stray for a second before I realized you meant Tal.

R446 This saying Tao made me choke.

R445 Not defending the site, though it was deleted pretty quickly. Assuming she had no fucking clue who they even where. She posts gossip about Hollywood celebs. There's very rarely anything about people in the UK

R449 I’m sure Kit’s fans pounced. She’s fucking hopeless and posts truly insane shit but that pissed me off. No more malicious than anything else she does tbh but it wasn’t cool

Can’t get over Lego, at his big age, engaging with a troll when he’s been slighted instead of just fucking deleting the comments.

R441 R443 R444 R445 Thank you guys. Missed so much when only on twitter. So SO much gate keeping there

R451 as it turns out he was not only too old for Joe but also too young. The child

R442 yes def wishing someone would leak all the finsta gossip

R454 Lego proving Joe’s decision not to give him access to the finsta very very wise

R455 If Joe had ever posted him on finsta, Lego would have been dumb enough to repost it on main.

R427 It’s hilarious that he’s triggered by someone with a Voltron profile picture.

Not so hilarious that he hadn’t deleted the OG comment.

R457 yeah, totally happy to let the one shitting on Joe’s looks sit there.

Not the HS insta posting a whole montage for Nima‘s birthday, while Joe got his ex and a handful grainy ass pictures.

Meanwhile, Joe liked Lego's newest post really quickly. For fuck's sake.

Someone on Facebook has said that the carnival isn’t SeeSaw productions. It absolutely is Heartstopper so I have a feeling people are being told to hush.

Actually Joe just got a single pic from them. Netflix’s was sloppy but at least it was some effort

R461 Too late to walk it back, the MUAs posted themselves in wigs and the extras posted themselves at the carnival.

R460 oh king. You don’t owe these cunts you date anything

R460 He‘s bored and was online… But I am slightly triggered by the first "review" not having a tattoo photo attached to it, will not spiral about it though.

R462 Ah, true. Mixed those up.

Jeeze they really must be having a break on set if they’re liking stuff

R465 if any of them are from Joe, it’s the one that just say ‘Shit’. That just feels like him

R466 Carnival means Alice probably has something written for every single couple, so they must have quite some breathing room between takes.

R467 I‘d just rather not think about the possibility.

Just noticed that Bash commented on one of Jonathan’s post. Loser.

R468 Nobody needs all that. Everyone else needs to go away just like they did in this part of the comic.

Whatever they had is clearly over, I just hate that Joe's still bothering to help boost his shitty little tattoo posts while Lego can't even delete a negative comment about Joe.

My face was exactly how Kit and Will’s look. I very much agree haha

Probably hoping to get a like from him, same as Dan Levy received. As I’m sure a remember a rumour they were fucking at some point, Bash probably isn’t on the same level of familiarity, so to speak.

R471 Not doubting that, I‘m just paranoid he managed to tarnish Joe’s skin in the time they were a thing.

r390 idk that jonbecker_ guy is kinda hot

Maybe there will be a ride montage?

Guess that wasn’t the last thing Charlie rode that day.

R476 I can't wait for the drama of people saying we shouldn't assume their positions since Alice said not to

that one writer’s op-ed about the sexlessness of the show was so on point

R477 Nick’s top, Charlie’s bottom because Alice herself absolutely wrote Nick as the big buff jock type and Charlie as the poor twink. That was 100% her intentions.

People are overthinking the joe like on tals post. He’s ignored most of his posts for the past few weeks, has shown no signs of being mutilated by one of tals tattoos, is bored enough to be following DM, and I think Tal would have deleted the comment saying Tal was too hot for him if he wasn’t bitter over being dumped

R480 We don’t know what is really going on either way. Best to act like it’s nothing.

Apparently Bash changed his tiktok bio. Anyone know what it said before?

R482 The Ben Hope thing I'm assuming

New bio is also try hard. Tragic

To add, they are happy about it and have wanted it for awhile. And honestly I get I'm dumb for thinking Joe shouldn't do more HS and hoping it ends soon so he can be free, but it's still an impressive job to have, good reviews, a solid job and sustained popularity for 3 months of work, great cast he loves to work with etc, but Bash fans wishing he'd distance himself from HS all together so his other work can shine are just beyond delusional. He has no other work and isn't known for anything else but Ben Hope and hanging around Joe.

R485 For their age, Heartstopper is kind of like a golden ticket. I don’t think Joe would have broken into the industry that fast without it. Actually, I’m sure he wouldn’t have because the UK film industry is ridiculously elitist. To find a lead role as your first acting job is unheard of. And he met solid people he is now close friends with. The show and Alice are far from perfect but it’s still an insane opportunity even Bash would die for.

Yeah, Joe is an insane talent who proves the true value of open calls, but for him and even Kit, getting cast like that is a dream come true. A lead role in a property that gets good reviews but where most of the praise is for your performances, without the insane pressure and hype of it being something like an Oscar winning drama, that has a few seasons and films for 3 months at a time to accommodate other work

R487 3 months and they make 200K+. Maybe even 500K for season 4. Not a bad life.

Thanks to DJL for the collage

R489 Not to be a Twitter Girly but ‘main 4’ or whatever they say.

They’re all hot and clearly besties is all I care!

Dear god. They’re doubling down on imogen. Nick calling her bestie is a choice

R491 It’s like she’s the girl who seeks out a gay bestie for the stereotypes and that’s exactly how she’s now written, if that makes any sense. She should have been the possible wedge in Nick and Charlie’s relationship in season 1 and then disappears.

This and the thing with now not caring about spoilers tells me that Alice is winding their neck in and not being as much of a bitch when it comes to fans who are excited. Maybe embracing fan engagement rather than gatekeeping?

looks like Lego deleted the comments.

R494 Still a weirdo and anyone who lurks here and commented are weirdos too.

Shay is a moron for fighting with that cursed_alien loser. She’s a freak whose life mission is to act like Kit is the most wronged man on earth and Joe is worthless. Much like Lexie, there’s no arguing someone into being a decent human being

R496 yeah, letting them shout into the void is the only way to shut them up eventually.

R497 yeah like I fucking hate both and have whined about them on here but frankly letting them post their insane rants about how Kit is a lying straight guy (Lexie) or how joe isn’t as talented as Kit and Kit deserves way more love and credit (alien) to their 5 followers is whatever

Shay is the worst. She often says the dumbest things when she tries to defend Joe.

At least you can find all drama if you are bored by reading their replies (and Lee's). Seem like they spend all day name searching their favs to reply to any and all comments about them

R500 Lee is funniest because they’ve accidentally attacked either bash fans or bash neutrals several times for no reason

this is a “new” old photo right?

R502 yup

Since everyone is allergic to sources, it’s from here.

R463 jessbassmakeup also posted the carnival now. they’re not even trying to hide it

R504 Nice pink lips.

it’s funny to see hstwt crying about circles being removed next week. I would have a field day if they just made them all public.

Can anyone tell who this is?

R508 The hair and makeup people messing around.

If you mean the person walking in the back of the second video with a PA, probably Joe.

R510 yeah, slim, huge black coat, always cold — likely joe

I meant the makeup people messing around, I assumed that was who, glad they’re all getting to actually enjoy the set tbh

They're filming Charlie's summer fete concert.

R507 Probably scared everyone will see them bitching about each other in their other circles or whatever

Why are all the comments saying he’s 5”11? Have they all met him? i don’t think he’s 6”1 but I thought he was 6”0?

I think he answered a question about it on twitter and said 5’11” but that was 2 years ago and he has very obviously grown.

Someone ask the two people so far that have taken videos and vlogged physically on set and uploaded if they’ve been hired.

The Heartstopper fandom is dumb as fuck and loves to routinely argue shit that isn't true. A bunch of them still to this day argue that Joe and Bash were only friends. Anyway, the guy that interviewed him for Hunger said Kit was taller than he expected at "more than 6ft."

My guess is Kit is 6 foot or a hair above it, Joe is right about 5’9, and will is 6’4

Apropos of nothing.

R513 as a joe/Charlie fan who has direly predicted since day 1 that s3 would still not center Charlie, even I couldn’t have anticipated the speed run this would take. I figured it would be something more like lots of focus on how the others cope with Charlie’s hospitalization, not that he admits his issues to nick, tells his parents, gets worse, goes inpatient, comes out, recovers a bit, relapses, recovers more, exchanges handjobs, and gets comfortable enough to go shirtless within eight episodes, not to mention Isaac comes out as ace, imogen is sapphic, I presume Elle and Tao and Tara and Darcy get developed, nick struggles with uni choices, and tori finds a boyfriend and realizes she’s ace.

May I remind you they took 2 seasons to get nick to come out in no fewer than 8 separate coming our scenes and took what, 14 episodes? To fully get Tao and Elle together. Fuck Alice, seriously. Cannot wait to see Joe in Agatha.

does anybody the name of agency Will signed up with ? they mention exact height in their websites of their models

R520 Joe's a saint for having gone from feeling up Kit's bicep back to Bash's string bean arms for so long.

R523 the fact bash fans don’t seem to get joe REALLY loved him to deal with his many inadequacies for so long

R520 Someone should advise the writer that these actors are not selling well the chaste plotline.

R525 you’re not wrong

R525 They shouldn’t advise them because we want them not being chaste to continue!

R521 yeah, I can’t believe they actually get up to Charlie playing in the band. Considering a 5 day trip in Paris took 3 episodes in S2 (so that Nick could come out to a room of 15 people) the whiplash will be real. Too bad Charlie fans and those waiting for the ED storyline, a full years worth of recovery is being rammed into 8 eps.

R525 Their Emmy nominations should’ve been revoked, frankly.

Joe and Jenny?

R528 coming out to Charlie, then Tara and Darcy, then Elle, then his mum, then imogen, then people in Paris, then his dad, then the school. 8 coming outs, more than the number of episodes Charlie will get focused on depression, OCD, self harm, and an eating disorder. Funny

R530 the stance and looking like he’s freezing to death are both very Joe

R530 looks like his little gay crossed legged stance

Even blurry, joe has amazing long legs

R530 That's a screenshot from R513 for anyone that wants to investigate further.

Completely unrelated, but Lego is just so disgusting, those new pictures of him are so off-putting. Always looking greasy and smelly.

R521 She (and her ass kissers) are gonna say its' been an issue both seasons, but like Charlie it's more hidden and more subtle vs Nick and now we have brilliantly reached the climax of the story, with Charlie going into recovery (for one episode), just like how S2 was actually about Charlie finally being comfortable enough to trust Nick by telling him. I knew when she posted that reply to a fan that S2 was actually about Charlie S3 wouldn't focus on him at all.

S4 ,if there is one, will be about Nick moving away

Definitely Joe.

R536 if people say they want to see more they’ll throw out social justice buzzwords. Not wanting to trigger people, accusing us of wanting trauma porn and ignoring caregiver burden

R537 he’s so fucking cute. The fact that these blurry pictures of him are still so endearing is testament to his power. Perfect twink

And short hair girl isn't Jenny, looks like she's part of the band. She goes up on stage right behind Joe.

R540 Find it hilarious that it took 3 seasons to give characters some personality. Season 3 will be the season when we see Charlie’s passions/interests last more than 5 sec on screen. Too bad Nick’s only personality and interests are rugby and his sexuality.

R542 the fact that she unnecessarily made nick the main lead of s2 instead of splitting with Charlie and nick is still so boring. Extraordinary. Joe and Kit really carry this show

R542 That’s not really my problem. My problem is that she didn’t focus on their personalities or passions for 2 seasons and now all of a sudden it’s supposed to make sense that Charlie plays in a band.

Honestly fine with Alice not developing their interests because her idea of developing interests would probably involve something like Charlie holding a set of drumsticks in front of his face for 3 seasons.

R545 Isn't that great? Charlie will have his own storyline independent of Nick.

R546 storyline is: Sehar asks Charlie to join the band - Charlie worries about Nick not making the concert - Charlie plays and Nick makes the concert. End

Their storylines are always going to be intertwined and that's fine, the problem is that it looks like the one propelled by Charlie is going to be done really quickly. I'm at the point where I'm so confused about what they're doing that I have no reaction beyond bafflement.

R548 This show is primarily for kids and young teens, right? I suppose they want cute moments between the characters and nothing too dramatic. Maybe fans are expecting too much from this program.

R549 Yeah, but my confusion right now is really more about the pacing. S3 incorporating two volumes (and maybe the novellas) after S2 mostly took from one volume is an odd choice, especially given the content of the volumes.

R549 not for kid but young teens and up, yes. Expectations are for sure too high. I guess for me it was because I want cute queer entertainment that is still somewhat reflective of my experience. It’s why I bitch about their lack of intimacy. If I’d had a boyfriend who looked like Joe I would have had my hands down his pants basically immediately. It’s also that Alice (the writer) has included some very heavy topics (self harm / ED) in the source material and now seems to skipping over that in favour of more coming out (and therefore Nick centric scenes). I think it’s fair to say many Joe/Charlie fans shouldn’t hold their breath for good stuff for him

R550 Yeah, the problems go back to S2. With how Alice wrote S2 you'd think they had 5 seasons locked. Nick's storyline was overdone and she introduced too much filler with side characters. Yes, coming out takes a life time, but we didn't need to see it since MH recovery also takes a lifetime, but the only reason that will come up once Charlie is "cured" and wearing a cute little shirt he takes off for Nick is going to be the cause Nick problems re: leaving for uni

R551 Oh, I see. I haven't read the source material. They alluded to some serious topics at the end of the second which felt oddly placed. It came as a shock to me. Maybe because of the light-hearted nature of the show. Is it common for fans to be rooting for one character? I thought people would root for the couple.

R553 Most people, especially casual fans, root for both. People on here root for both. You only really see the competitive shit from the overinvested fraus on Twitter.

R553 oh we love the couple. We love Kit and Joe. It’s just that the show felt it heavily leaned Nick’s way in S2 (he had a bit more screen time and the story was focused mainly on his coming out). If you’re a fan of Joe (a lot of the Twitter fans are not really - he has one of his most vocal bases on DL because we like to see a gay achieve) you feel a bit like he was sidelined. In the source material Charlie is the main character. But, if I’m guessing who you are correctly (new to the thread but not to DL) you didn’t feel it was Nick’s story - which was an interesting insight to me

R552 Yup. The pacing of season 2 was awful! You’d genuinely think Alice had no idea what to write when she already had the comics fleshed out. So many random scenes (the sleepover in episode 1) and irrelevant side characters’ storylines.

The show really does attract a range of reactions. I thought most of the stuff with the side characters in the second season was a slog to get through, yet 90% of the critics praised the show for expanding the ensemble.

R555 I do see the show as the Nick and Charlie show. I believe both characters are the main characters. That's an interesting point if the source material leans more on Charlie. I do not feel like that is the case while watching the show.

R557 90% of the critics seemed hesitant to say anything critical at all. You can’t critic the perfect gay joy show. Many were too hesitant to even suggest it could be better. The American critics, with less investment in the cast and Alice were still glowing but much more nuanced in their assessments. The fans flayed them for even the smallest negative assessments. HS has a reputation with the critics for being basically unhinged. I’m going to see if I can find the articles that Teen Vogue linked to at some point that trashed the fans

On purity culture and MLM romances

Who gets to write gay men. This may absolutely infuriate the lurkers but I’d ask them to actually read it as it’s not a hatchet job of Alice

Both of those discuss how the rhetoric of the HS Twitter fans is the language of the right and homophobia. Which it is

R559 This is my biggest complaint with the show. The unusual chasteness of the characters. It reminded me of my catholic school days when we weren't allowed to say the word sex. Young gay or bisexual men are not scared to explore their sexuality.

R557 I noticed that. The one that highlighted Yaz and Tao/Elle as the best part of the season was the oddest to me.

R559 The thing is, the reviews went out of their way to praise the side character stuff. They could have easily ignored commenting on them at all if they didn't like all of that and were really fearing inciting the fan base. Being critical wasn't the only option.

I like this type of marketing

Some of the good reviews were pretty backhanded in a way, basically saying straight have had cringe romances for years so the gays can have it too

R564 sure. I see your point. Mine probably strayed too far from what was being discussed, but I did find it interesting that a lot of the reviews were completely glowing. I thought there was a far bit of it that could have been written better that didn’t include the side characters. Kit and Joe do a lot of heavy lifting as some of the dialogue sounds like a robot should be reading it. But that’s all good

R563 a casual watcher who chatting on here after S2 released was shocked when the Paris scenes came around that the opening sequence hadn’t been implying they were getting each other off

R565 didn’t Euros say the sort of teen version of this about the guys in an interview?

The big Brasilian account decided to complain about Joe's hair so now his name search is a bunch of people complaining about it in Portuguese. Fun.

R569 The aligned spirits thing. I think he also said something about tension and frisson in another quote.

R543 how does what I said disagree? You said she doesn’t develop them, I added that even after making Nick the main character for two seasons, we still have zero sense of his interests.

R570 I was rooting for that guy...I don't get why people are so overly invested in Joe's hair. They don't care about Kit's hair, other than that random person who made up that Kit finally learned to love his hair.

R570 I thought he was one of the good ones. What cunt

R570 0 they’re so fucking rude, istg

Hasn’t he fucking met Joe too? And they were kind and gave him more time than he expected? He can choke

R573 Kit dodged that bullet because Nick's hair stays the same the entire run and isn't a thing in the narrative like Charlie's hair is (Nick noticing the haircut, Nick telling Charlie he loves his hair). That being said, the fans need to let it go already.

It’s just another way to bully him about his looks and they love that. The absolute worst fans

R570 There’s a cuntier tweet, this one says that he wants Joe and the hair and makeup team from the show in jail.

R579 I mean, people here have been saying the exact same thing at times

R579 they way they contribute to the online hate for Joe is disgusting.

R580 You’re not wrong, but we also don’t have 110k followers on the platform that bullies Joe the most.

R577 He's got this ugly beard they might demand he grow

R580 I prefer his hair longer. I’m broadcasting that to lurkers and you bitches but I’m not tweeting it out to my 110k followers so they can shit on him. Ymmv on that but I think it’s fucked

R583 He's already halfway to adult Nick, the fans might as well torture him by demanding the beard. Would be funny.

R585 meanwhile Joe has really eased off on the Charlie Spring cosplay since he got back from the US. I’m glad

I can’t with the fans in the comments saying joe and bash were never dating or that they don’t have a fallen out, they’re just busy. Idk if I should admire the way they respect their privacy or if it’s rooted in homophobia.

R587 A combination of homophobia and stupidity.

R587 Too busy to like a post in 6 months?

Since the thread is almost dead and speaking of our favorite assless man, Bash fans are just beside themselves that Charlie's at Sam's house (Sam also flew to LA to see him when he got back) and think he won't allow him to post a Bash photodump on IG.. Their Sam hate is seriously funny since they are so hypocritical re: his age and the fact that he doesn't follow Bash. He has no loyalty to Bash to follow him much like Bash's friends apparently had no loyalty to Joe to keep following him. Those are the rules.

R560 + R561 I wonder then that so many reviews were positive and coming from gay critics. Also, didn't Joe and Kit say they had been approached by gay men in the 40's+ who praised the show and wish it had been around when they were young? Maybe because the characters are only 15-16yrs old when it starts they gave the usual sexualization of teens a pass?

R590 I read some reviews since we were talking about it and 99% of them start with something about how it's a teen show. I don't really think it's judged as harshly as some shows in general and it's feel good and unique enough that people aren't going to just shit all over it. I complain about it, but I'd probably also say it's something that every young queer kid should have as well.

R590 Well, for S1 it makes total sense that they’re not sexually active because they only get together towards the end. Also, S1 is a lot more “wholesome” because they look so young. It’s S2 that lost me with the “I’m not ready to do more than kissing *even though I pinned you up against the shelves in P.E store room*” and then Charlie saying if Nick never wanted to do it, he’d be fine with it. What kind of horny, 15 year old boy would say that?

R590 Gay YT reactors as well. They scream and cry about everything, including Imogen, and I always wonder if they’re playing it up for their audiences.

R590 the joy was great and we all loved it. I would say the sex only really makes sense in s2 than s1. As I said, I think there was hesitation from all reviewers (maybe even particularly gay critics) to be critical of the show but ymmv. They weren’t wrong to be wary. The gay guy from the Independent who critiqued the lack of sex was just short of being openly called a pedophile by the fans. He had to put his Twitter to private the abuse was so intense

R589 in fact he has less obligation because he’s never met bash while Amybeth and Emily were cooing over joe months ago. Also funny they love Isaac who is that much older than Nell. To be clear isaac, Sam, and tal are all weird as fuck for that age gap

R561 That last part is real. That is my problem with the fandom. They don’t realize that most of them are homophobic and display signs of homophobia/right-wing nonsense.

Laughing at one of the accounts that harasses Kit being mad that DJL blocked them when a tweet two tweets down on their feed is them quoting DJL to claim that Joe knows that Kit is faking being queer. You brought that into their notifications and expected an account co-run by a gay man to let it rock?

They’ve all got Joe’s name in their mouth both trashing or defending Kit. What did they think was going to happen?

R598 meanwhile the main Kit fan account is just blocking joe fans for being joe fans, DJL stays superior

R599 how is he so fucking cute

Anyway new thread, keep it horny