Heartstopper

Joe

Kit

R1 & R2 appreciate starting with the thirst. Ta

I just saw the famous like and I get it now. I thought it was another one. Lego and his crew are really the pain of our existence.

Also think this fandom attributes a lot to malice where they shouldn’t. Like Joe switching it up because he got caught — it was a post that sadly most of the world agrees with that that I think was a pro Israel dog whistle but not that blatant. The stuff he reposted which he also liked days ago is a better summary of his feelings. Alas, he’s cancelled

R4 Giving me flashbacks to the Halloween canceling of 2022. Do not stick your neck out for ugly men Joe

R6 No dick in the world is worth it.

Looking quite bad on twt rn, I worry his reposts put more attention on him liking that one post because it’s being brought up so much more now. Unliking was a good call though.

R8 it was always gonna happen. The online fandom honestly secretly hates Joe. They were looking for an excuse, though I obviously strongly dislike the tweet he liked originally

I’d add that there are posts from days ago that can be interpreted as the opposite. Imo he should do an audit.

R8 Troye is also getting heat. It’s really not a situation that people should look at celebrities to know what they think because they probably think a million things and insta graphics are TOO short to summarize everything. Which is why not liking or reposting is best but alas.. It will blow over in a week.

Can’t decide if it’s smart that Joe fans are more or less keeping their mouths shut rn or if they should be posting some of the other SS he liked days ago so they can discredit the “damage control” claims

R11 Troye has the additional pressure of an expectation because of his family.

R12 I think quiet is the way to go.

R12 The response seems kind of mixed now that he reposted those Stories, so I can't tell what the right course of action would be.

He can't win on twitter where there is zero nuance and they were both waiting for a reason to hate on Joe since they barely stand him unless he's with Kit and the fact that they think murder is justified. It'll blow over anyway.

R13 Isn't Troye south african?

R16 a white South African and I believe reform orthodox Jewish

R10 Yeah, Joe’s likes on this run the gamut. Just glad he unlinked the worst of the posts.

The thing is I love Joe, think he’s well intentioned, and would be sad he’s getting shit but “get it” more if he just likes that one post and nothing else. But he’s been liking “this is so awful for Palestinians and Jewish people” “innocent lives on both sides” posts for days. Now I do think that’s still ignorant to the history there and the coding of a lot of the ways this shit is discussed but I think is much more at worst “he should do more research and be careful” than “he is secretly pro Israel and now backtracking”. Like y’all, most of the world is Zionist. It’s not something he’d need to backtrack on. He Unliked the post and posted a “sad for everyone” story because it’s how he feels

Honestly, over the last few days I’ve concerned he’d be cancelled for being on either side a number of times. It’s almost a relief

R19 that's why people just wanted him to stay out of it

And yeah, some celebs are straight up posting some crazy shit so Joe doesn't need to backtrack

Maybe I’ve just blocked a lot of nuisances or most of HStwt is asleep but am not seeing crazy amounts of hate rn. Minus maira and gecko who are posting about how kit would never because he’s their perfect bean and Joe constantly ducks up and never apologizes

R22 From the skimming I've done, the backlash is mostly from people outside of the fandom who either already hate Joe or are going after celebrities in general on this, and then some randoms like an Irish guy that's under the DJL posts. It hasn't been as fast or as full-blown as I've seen it happen with other celebrities through the week. Hopefully it stays that way.

R22 I actually think Maira is just performative and doesn’t hate Joe, just likes to grandstand (and would obviously give Kit a pass) but gecko is absolutely unhinged. His parasocial relationship with both Kit and the fucking line drawing of Nick Nelson is absolutely bizarre. I’d suspect that they both saw the stuff that could be interpreted as pro the other position days ago but it didn’t serve them to mention it

R22 It's not all that widespread. There's some accounts obviously trying to push it though. That Gecko account saying they don't stan anyone in the cast but only like Kit (who says nothing ever about anything) and Will (the Depp fan) is a bit wild. This is not me trashing Will or Kit though, but they are just hypocrites

R22 I see it mostly in replies and quotes from people who aren’t big HS accounts but post about the show among other things..

R25 they as in the twitter person, not Will and Kit

R23 I think Joe is just someone the fandom looks for an excuse to turn on so honestly nothing he did would’ve been good enough here so I guess whatever. Sad for him bc I’m sure he knows he’s getting hate for it, but nothing to be done

R25 this is what I mean — to be clear I’m not bagging on kit or Will for never posting on anything because as shit like this shows, that’s the best move. But it’s weird they get projection as perfect for being silent on all issues while Joe gets hate for one wrong like when he’s extremely liberal and passionate about using his platform

R22 nah I think maira still resents Joe for blocking her, she basically never posts about him. Gecko needs a mental institution

Also going to point out the person who discovered the eyal ss HATES joe. So unless she’s really into love island season 4 I legit think she went through his following, ignored things like the Matt Bernstein likes, until she found one to cancel him for

Anyway shit like this definitely seems motivated by being pro Palestine and not just being a POS

It's actually fucking infuriating that people are treating this as some sort of stanning point system.

… ok then dumbass. But overall yeah seems like a few people being vile but at worst they think the post he reposted was wishy washy or not strong enough, nothing he’ll get cancelled forever over

R28 He was not perfect when they were ready to cancel him for following a misogynistic ig account. Social media isn’t real life. That’s why I actually think it is smart when celebs don’t share their views all the time. I hope Joe will still use his voice, of course, but it’s best to wait out when you’re not well informed.

R29 until a few hours ago her pinned post was about Joe but she’s repinned the Kit one. Hopefully her post about having no tolerance for uneducated celebs is where it ends. Have her and gecko deleted other shit because I can’t see anything specifically criticising him (I couldn’t stomach checking earlier)?

Lads I have so much work to do, this has thrown my whole day out

R32 a couple of days ago there was a post going around twt calling it palestine and jewish fandom or sone shit like that

R30 she’s full of shit. She’s absolutely trashed him before

R33 I mean ymmv but I remember them finding that account and all the posts being “Kit bb I know you don’t agree w this so just unfollow”. Still annoying and presumptuous, I agree, but Joe is not being given the grace of “I know you don’t agree with it, unlike”. He actually did unlike and they’re still shitting on him. I love Kit, this isn’t me saying joe is better or cares more about social issues. I’m guessing Kit cares a lot and just chooses to stay out of politics online which makes sense. But I don’t think we can act like the fandom (not crazy people calling him queerbaiter, the overall fandom) doesn’t treat him way better than joe

R32 The idea that Joe, who is probably by far the smartest person in the cast by their own admission, constantly says uninformed things is fucking insane. And can't believe not saying anything is the way to go is fucking insane. What about the whole If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor thing. Guess it doesn't apply to certain cast members.

There's a more nuanced discussion to be had about how bloodthirsty Gen Z is on social media and how willing they are to completely turn on people at a moment's notice, and the fact that they also have the memory spans of goldfish and go right back to posting about the supposedly canceled person in a week's time.

Cancelation over this kind of thing doesn't last, even when it should. Jamie Lee Curtis and Justin Bieber are going to get away with their posts, which actually deserved the backlash given that they deleted them and didn't acknowledge the images of Palestinian suffering they were using to "stand for Israel." People who have actually committed crimes go right back to their successful careers.

R39 I think that’s the biggest thing for me. As I said upthread, if this was joes sole like on the subject, I would still think it was well intentioned and wince about the cancellation but honestly “get it” more. But they’ve decided this one like overrides many others that are clesrly more critical of the israeli government because… they just don’t like him.

I think because he actually liked shit all over the place they will fall silent on this soon. It certainly won’t be used by any of the Jewish MCU haters critical of his choice as Wiccan as proof of allyship. I wouldn’t be surprised if he gets put on blast for the other likes then

R37 The fandom is idiotic and full of hypocrites. They’ll go back to stanning him like nothing happened in 2 weeks.

R41 that’s why I think he’s damned if he does, damned if he doesn’t on this. If he posted something that was like “I feel so so sad for the innocent lives lost to Hamas, but this was a situation created by 75 years of Palestinian oppression by Israel” he would get absolutely slaughtered when Agatha came out. As is many of the same people cancelling him now for seeming to be sad for both or unsure of where he stands will also cancel him for being an anti semite snatching Jewish roles soon. They can’t decide

R42 you’d be surprised. When it come to joe, they hold a grudge. They basically ignored him from the time of bash’s JKR thing until it was clear they broke up.

Vicky is real for reposting this (and other posts like this). I know she’s more Joekit than solely a Kit stan but still

R44 She’s very real and I like what she said there.

R44 I feel like most of the Joe and Kit stans are like that, but then you have the handful of loud crazies like Gecko and Lexxie drowning out the normal ones.

R42 i’d amend to say tolerating and stanning his friendship with Kit

Joe just needs to say something about Kit and they'll giggle and call him unserious again

R46 yeah I’d agree. Crazy because I feel like in a lot of fandoms deluded Stans insist two mildly friendly or even cold costars who are often both problematic morons are best friends and Stan the friendship. Meanwhile joe and Kit are both intelligent, sweet, very progressive, and adore one another and their Stans can be so vile.

Gecko seriously needs psychiatric treatment, not even trying to give a put down. His fixation on the cartoon nick Nelson and on Kit is so unhealthy

R49 I took a look around his Twitter when it was linked here earlier and saw that he has a boyfriend now, I can’t imagine how his obsession with a cartoon character is going to be taken once the boyfriend learns the scope of it.

Gecko is certifiable. I will once again mention that he once tweeted that the Nick Nelson cartoon gave him faith in men because it meant there was really someone out there like him… a cartoon, drawn by a person who is neither bi nor a man. He throws shade Joe’s way for minor shit all the time, that’s really only recognisable if you’re looking. I try not to talk about him here for that reason but this warrant it. Though, unless there has been deleting even his posts seem way less vitriolic than they did for the like Joe got cancelled for in Oct last year.

In better news, I think unliking the controversial post is further proof of the end of the relationship. We know how he digs in when he’s really into someone

R50 he’s found someone equally psychologically troubled

R51 I think the unliked is also proof he legit didn’t get the dog whistle anti Palestine coding in it. Again I’m a refugee kid on both sides, I have zero patience for defending Zionism and would probably still like joe but call him an uninformed idiot if I thought he was pro Israel government. but I do think he would stick by what he thought was right, so if he fully agreed with the substance of that post, he would’ve kept the like. The unlike and the story he chose to post I think are genuinely what he feels.

R51 I hope for real Joe is done with Lego and company. You can find good dick anywhere else Joe, trust me.

Who asked, freak

R51 Weirdly enough, I think Joe's close friendship with Kit is to an extent keeping the backlash from the Kit stans from being worse. A lot of the usual suspects from the Bash-adjacent cancelation are either tweeting extremely vaguely about it or ignoring it altogether.

What is this vague posting supposed to mean?

R57 I think it’s vaguely shading the fandom not Joe. I wouldn’t be able to tell you but at a guess they think Joe liked it because of Lego and he’s young and they should all get over it, but I’m fully projecting.

R55 Anyone someone says they were just trying to educate him I laugh. Fucking crazy people. Why don't they admit they jumped on a mistranslation, had a massive fit that props to Bash for once in his life, he didn't have to clarify, and then Joe liked a post saying don't bully my boyfriend, which is what they were doing. There was zero invalidating anywhere

R57 I think she's saying that if she posted her initial thoughts on anything she'd be canceled and trying to imply that Joe should've done more research before liking things? She's basically calling herself an idiot, which is an interesting choice.

R58 if that’s the case. For once a sensible take. But it’s crunchy and her friend so you can understand my doubts

R59 the one time bash did fuck all wrong being the reason behind joes biggest cancelling ever is almost funny. Like. What

R55 All of these weirdos would get canceled so fast if they were famous. None of them could handle Joe or Kit’s level of fame/scrutiny. They need to shut up.

R61 tbh they went into bat so hard for Lego and Joe not being weird I can see why they would quietly give Joe a pass on this. More generally they are being remarkably quiet.

R55 I know sound like I’m being a dick and I’m not really meaning to read you, I get it, but it never seems worth posting smaller accounts here as it just gives them traction (hi lurkers!)

R64 fair enough — that one is virulently toxic and also really creepy about loving Kit snd randomly Josh hutcherson, so I always remember them. Every time they get mad at Joe they make a series of tweets comparing him to Kit. Super fucked up

R57 maybe it’s incredibly naive of me, but I‘m not even sure if liking the post was so much about Lego’s in the first place. I thought it was more because he also has met the brother and interpreted the post as someone he kinda knows hurting, not realising it was dog whistling. ofc he remains Lego’s brother and Lego obviously feels the same, but I don’t think the like was necessarily about him

R65 I remember them for both denying Joe and Bash were dating and also saying fuck Joe Locke for the Bash drama and then giggling that Joe and Bash broke up and acting like a Joe fan again. Just a weird person.

R66 that’s absolutely how I read it too.

R66 I think you’re right about his motivations, my point was more that I think he would have possibly kept the like if he was really serious about Lego. But then again, Lego himself didn’t have enough conviction to keep up a story about it and he literally has family there.

R65 he’ll be back. He’s got no fucking conviction

Actually ignore all my shit. I’ve reread the post. He’d never have liked initially if he’d seen it for what it is. He’s just seeing all the hurt and feeling compelled to be supportive. You absolutely can’t win on this one

Yeah not to jinx anything but I’ve looked and I think joe reposting that on his stories and unliking the other post has actually helped a lot. Aside from a few vocal idiots, At worst people seem to think he should educate himself more before engaging which while hypocritical from absolute morons on twitter is overall a fair point on Israel and Palestine. At best people seem to think his pattern of likes and reposts shows he has a lot of empathy and feels sad about loss of life.

R70 I saw it before and didn't think much of the post just seemed like your basic message of hurt. Only reason I'd question is knowing who the guy follows, but just scrolling through IG I probably wouldn't think much of it

R71 hoping for the best… and I doubt people who were asleep for all this are gonna make much of a difference and cause more of a shitstorm tomorrow

R72 yeah sorry to wear this word out but to me it was a dog whistle more than a blatant post. If you skim the first few paragraphs seems somewhat balanced. It’s just the rest of it that made me go “absolutely not”

R73 well the thing is some of the other accounts that normally weigh in to cancel people are awake and silent on this. I mean they’re posting about how Kit and nick are perfect beans but they do that anyway and while clearly somewhat pointed it’s better than anti joe rants.

My guess is a lot of the fandom is afraid to be canceled so they won’t really post about joe for a few days, Will maybe like a post about celebrities needing to self educate, but also won’t condemn him

R71 yeah, and I’d say that’s how he really feels too. He’s just a compassionate guy. I love them both, but gd it’s much more chill being a Kit fan. The guy is smart and incredibly kind but you never have to worry about him doing anything like this. As I said, I’ve been on edge for awhile.

R73 the ones asleep learned their lesson with the sa shitstorm. They’ll stay neutral with maybe a few vague posts.

The other thing mitigating the backlash is that he didn't post about it in his own words. Much easier to nail someone with their own words than with likes and reposts. Or in Noah Schnapp's case, the words of a friend that he claimed as his own.

R76 As a Joe fan, I knew he'd eventually get into some kind of mess with this. Though I don't think it's a big deal. Honestly celebs are doing some crazy ass shit, including liking petitions about freeing hostages and saying Israel is doing what is necessary to defend themselves, among other weird posts.

The internet is also easily distracted and will not give a shit about this whole situation in a month. It'll just be brought up from time to time with the random unhinged as one of Joe's many sins

R78 the plague of being a joe fan. Stan him because he’s so political and caring, always in fear of online people cancelling him

Helps that this isn’t just Joe. That list of people that’s going around Joe is just about the least famous person on it, and Jamie Lee-Curtis and Beiber really really fucked up.

R77 I’ve seen multiple tweets dragging Noah with 50k-200k likes. Can’t say he didn’t earn it.

I’ve been longing to say this since he kind of came into the orbit of the fandom because of his thirst for Nick/Kit (and tbh i have definitely called him weird) - Noah is a dickhead and he’s not a smart guy.

R82 how is he a dickhead (Zionism aside since your dislike predates that)? I’ve always thought he was second rate joe

R83 look, I’m Australian so I just apply that as a generic insult across the board, he’s weird and bro-y and always sounds not clever. I guess harmless but I’ve not liked him since he became old enough to even bother noticing.

R84 no that’s fair, just wasn’t sure if he’d done other shady things or if like me you always just found him sort of annoying

He sells overpriced nutella. He seems dumb.

R86 and vegan chicken, or something? Most of his if stories are sponcon

R87 Honestly, most of the young/new talents are pretty dumb (Noah, Taylor, Omar, Centineo, The guy from TSITP, etc). Kit and Joe are unusually smart for their age.

Honestly this is a pretty decent take. They seem sympathetic to joe

I pulled up a couple of interviews and yeah, seems dim.

R90 yeah, there seemed to be some perception (as there often is) that he became more interesting when he came out. I mean, it was via TikTok, lbr

R90 Telling queer youth that they can always come to him if they don't have a space place sure is something. He seems nice enough, but yeah.

R92 *safe space, since I can't type.

R90 love how he says "I care about the environment" and then posts a statement that calls combatting climate change a "fashionable cause"

R90 That advice to queer youth is so fucking terrible. "Hey, you're not the only person suffering! If you're having problems, slide into my DMs and I'll never respond!"

Not sure what being a twink has to do with anything but ok

Sorry I should stop posting dumb randos. I will cease and desist

Anyway, seems to have calmed down. I think it was a honest mistake and the stories show his real sentiments. Hopefully, tomorrow they’ll film in a parc and we’ll get another set of leaks and everyone will have moved on.

R96 suspect there is a Troye (and possibly Noah) dig in there too. Probably a lurker here (hi mate! Twink isn’t an insult unless you’re homophobic. So I guess we know where you stand on that).

Numbers DLer, are you around and can you give us an update?

R100 not him but you won’t see the fall out for a a day or so

R101 I actually suspect there won’t be any fallout, I’m kind of nosy about if the JW Anderson campaign affected Kit.

Don’t think there will be any real fallout. Even the histrionic on twitter for the most part seem to have settled for scolding him for not educating himself

R100 I’m here. I guess this is technically a 96-hour Instagram update?

Kit was at 6,223,751 on Sunday, 6,228,525 now, gained 4,774 followers.

Joe was at 4,273,329 on Sunday, 4,272,273 now, lost 1,056 followers.

So I actually kept an eye out at random during the week and they both started losing followers on Monday. Kit rebounded with the campaign. He’d likely still be losing followers otherwise. Joe’s loss has nothing to do with his posts and likes about the conflict.

R104 bummer he’s losing rather than gaining but glad he’s firmly over 4.2

R104 I will never understand why people unfollow. You’re almost a dead certain these sentimental fuckers are going to post about each other and the show randomly. Obviously some traction from the campaign for Kit, which is good.

I know people think marvel is dead but I think Agatha is honestly going to be very anticipated. Wandavision link, legendary cast, clearly aiming for so,ething different and aiming into camp and comedy. Joe will do well off it imo

All else aside that 16 year old who so violently hates joe that she decided to go through all of his follows to find a post she could nail him with is psychotic and needs serious help. This is a humanitarian crisis, not a gotcha to uplift Kit or bel or whoever her fav is to shit on joe

R108 I was not in a fandom at 16, I was also not a girl, but u was still jacked up on hormones and violently hated the girlfriend of my celebrity crush (hilarious as it turns out she’s gay as hell). I can’t even imagine having the power to put that out into the adult sphere and be taken seriously. I know I shouldn’t punish myself and please don’t link - but which 16 yr old is doing the main stirring?

R109 just one who tweeted the original joe like of eyal’s post, since unliked. Between him unliking and his story (and frankly, how relatively mild eyal’s post Is while I still disagree w it), not much traction. But damn these fans suck — doubt an Italian 16 year old just happened to be following eyal.

Yeah, that person went out of their way to find that like. I saw 5 posts on the conflict that Joe liked through the week because they were popular and other celebrities were reposting them in their Stories (I saw one through Ncuti, for example), but completely missed the Eyal like because I don't follow him and no one of note was reposting it.

R110 has she ever said anything hateful about Joe with regards to Lego? if she is hate stalking Joe in general, I could see her following Tal and some of his family and seeing the like that way. But I‘ve never really looked at her account so no clue what she’s usually up to..

R112 took no research at all to know Tal is Jewish. She was probably on the look out for something to nail Joe for and had an eye on Tal and his brother’s accounts.

R113 yeah either way agreed, unfortunately an easy catch that probably wouldn’t take going through all of Joe’s following

R112 no but she violently hates joe and calls him an anti semite too all the time so

R114 yeah, at a guess, particularly if she knows of us or lurks here at all she would be watching Eric’s account like a hawk to see if he posted something that Joe liked. They are children with an extremely uninformed and myopic view of this.

R113 Yeah, probably. I looked at his brother's account because I was nosey about if Joe was still liking his posts so saw the like hours before. The one matt bernstein put up other celebs liked too, which people ignored because they couldn't shit on Joe for it

R117 same here, saw it quite early on but hoped it would go unnoticed and was glad nobody here brought it up

R115 Assuming she was looking at any Jewish accounts he was following to try to catch him liking something, which is pretty sick

R117 yes she conveniently didn’t spot many other likes joe made, just one from a random influencer she could criticize him for

R119 well this fandom is nothing if not predictably bigoted. I see the HS fandom being one that is discussed in the same breath as all the more well known unhinged fandoms in the future. They are really special

R121 Every single celeb that liked questionable posts are under fire right now. I really don’t think this is a fandom thing (although the response from the fandom was typical). This is bigger than Joe or any other celebrity liking an insta post. This is war and it’s honestly sickening what’s going on. I hope people will leave Joe alone (and other celebs like Troye) alone and focus on what’s important.

R122 I mean I agree overall but in this instance it was absolutely a specific fan with a history of seeking out negative shit on joe going through his follows to find this. If he’d liked, I don’t know — Noah Schnapps Post, or Jamie Lee Curtis, I would firstly be disgusted but also think they just happened to find it, not sought it out. But you cannot convince me this Italian teenager is a big fan of eyal booker. They sought that out. And I agree — this is way bigger than joe liking some “sad for everyone” posts, even ones I disagree with. Which is why them using this huge social issue to try to cancel him over this is demented.

I’m honestly not surprised the bulk of the fans are remaining quiet. It’s takes about half a second for someone to flip that kind of performative cancelling into minimising the actual conflict to go after a celebrity you have used any excuse to go after in the past (all three ‘fans’ we have just talked about here). Children, grandstanding about a serious conflict by going after a socially aware celebrity.

The issue here is a HS fan is the one who brought it up and other fans are pushing it. Joe's not a big enough celeb and the likes are too innocuous to gain much steam without fans of the show pushing it.

it’s always the HS fans that drop Joe in it. It’s gone pretty quiet. I think even the HS fans have realised it’s not taking the way they’d like. Hopefully Joe got some sleep.

I feel bad for shutting down the fanfic post in the last thread now. Could have been a distraction. Might read it as a palate cleanser, and see if the author knows the location of the arsehole

Yeah fans have basically switched over to grumpy “don’t post when you’re uninformed, can’t trust any white man except Kit” mode. His initial like was far tamer than some other shit, his unlike and IG story made it clearer his actual view is a perhaps naive one, but clearly not “pro Israel”, and I think while they are neglecting to post them, even the shittiest people have seen his much more balanced likes and realize if they double down the evidence isn’t in their favour

R127 yeah, you can tell they don’t want to totally remove their tweets just in case it takes off, but they’re tweeting a lot of shit to push it down the tl. I’d say they’ll delete a lot of it in a few days

hoping for Joe’s sake he at least didn‘t have a 6am pickup this morning

R126 I read it but couldn't get into it because they wrote that Joe and Kit fucked during season 1 for the first time and the 2nd time during s2. Cannot suspend my disbelief there. Bash would have spontaneously combusted.

R129 honestly not trying to compare this in scale to kits coming out, but thinking of that and the joe getting cancelled around Halloween last year, both seemed to take a lot of comfort in being around friends, I do think it’s probably comforting to have people around him who adore him and understand how psycho the fans are, and something to focus on so he doesn’t obsess over twitter. But whoever told him about it so fast (suspect tobie) was a homie. Glad he was able to story something that reflects his real feelings so fast

The world is so fucking small. Bash just followed that makeup artist person who tal knows that joe followed after cabaret. This is why he and the unwashed are stupid for being so shitty

R130 they didn’t seem to fully understand the location of the arsehole and they used the word todger. My second foray into fanfic ends as promptly as the first

Connor did too, assuming they met her tonight together.

R134 probably went out for drinks to celebrate Joe getting cancelled

R131 yeah, that came to mind for me as well… at the very least, even if he had a shit and short night of sleep, he‘ll spend the morning in the best environment he probably could, with support and work as a distraction. and luckily the backlash isn’t actually huge

R133 I stopped before getting that far. Almost stopped with Kit talking about keeping his cute swim trunks. I don't think fic is for me. Thanks for the distraction person who posted it though

R137 that should have clued me in tbh

DL could all co write a more realistic fanfiction together but I prefer the short ones we keep on thread. Joe and kits lustful glances at one another, Kit service topping, joe liking Impact play.

I hope to god they developed the rugby guys or ideally Tara because if they take Tao away as Charlie’s best friend for this weird “nick Tao bffism” I’ll flip out

Just saw Bella Ramsay’s like. Much more blatantly pro Israel/IDF

Bella liked some pro-Palestine stuff too. Think some of them are just trying to support both sides and condemn the violence, but are also a bit naïve since it's a situation where people think there is only one side that's right depending on what you believe. I fault no celebs who decide not to say or like a damn thing.

Don't know if our old friend Matt lurks here but Matt, if you'r reading this, you're just making things worse for Joe. Shut the fuck up.

R140 Don't think it's going to be a huge thing, but I'm definitely expecting 2 or 3 scenes of them talking about Charlie's struggles next season.

R141 Celebrities might as well get all of their "Stand with Israel/IDF" posts out of the way quickly, Israel's about 2 wars crimes away from what they're doing being completely undeniable.

R142 hadn’t seen the pro Palestine ones which makes sense as absent DL I wouldn’t have seen joes either. Though I am glad DL posted at least the accounts of the more evensided, pro Palestine ones joe liked, as I think it took a lot of steam out of the usual suspects sails. Two of the big offenders have deleted most of their tweets in the subject even if they still have a few passive aggressive things up

Matt need to shut the fuck up but the person he’s replying to is one of the most toxic Kit Stan’s on twitter. Went off about how Kit clesrly wore the Loewe outfit better than Joe, how it’s so sad to see anti Kit hate because it’s joe fans jealous their fav isn’t as talented, a lot of other shady shit. Doubt girl gives a single shit about the like except as a way to shit on joe

R142 I hope it doesn’t put Joe off advocacy. As far as I can tell Gen Z doesn’t really appreciate how fraught this is. Considering their age and the history of the conflict in their adult lives I understand. I think they’re probably learning a lot at the moment

R145 He's going back and deleting the tweets I was referring to. He was name searching Joe and making extremely dumb arguments against random.

Randoms, not random.

R146 yeah, on one hand I don’t think anyone owes anyone public advocacy, and in this case I wish joe had stayed out of it. On the other, while no one owes advocacy, I’ll admit I have a special soft spot for joe because he is so political, he is really intelligent and caring, and he does genuinely want to use his platform for change. Do people not care about trans issues, gay blood donation issues, refugees, union rights, etc unless they post about them? Of course not, many do. But seeing someone so young who is so passionate and I think really wants to do the right thing is honestly really heartwarming

R147 ok, I mean the cursedalien freak. But agree generally, Matt shut the fuck up

Matt’s going to reveal that he’s a UN Peacekeeper and we’ll all have to eat crow.

R145 Matt needs to stop, though those Kit fans in general need to shut up too since they are just setting him up to get dragged. Not sure why they are so sanctimonious.

Now that more people are waking up, seeing more of the vague “it’s ok to not know and to educate yourself but be careful what you post” and “you people are fucking weirdos for stalking celebrity likes instead of posting resources” tweets, including by Palestinians. Honestly very glad Joe was awake and able to jump on this quickly last night, th way the fandom works even him posting first thing this morning would’ve probably been too late for many of the crazies

It is literally crazy that a barely out of his teens guy trying to educate himself on this situation is getting literally even a fraction of the backlash that he is, while his co stars remain silent about it and are held up as shining examples of how to conduct yourself. I fucking hate fandom, absolutely toxic values dressed up as moral superiority. Joe is one of the more politically outspoken young stars we have and always seems to be on the side of the oppressed and suffering. What more do they want?

r154 on the bright side, i think it has mostly died down now

Video from Kit’s campaign.

R154 This is just a not a typical social justice issue e but an actual war which celebs should remain silent because they cause more harm than good with their posts (mainly Noah and Justin). I am barely seeing any backlash right now, so I think Joe will be fine.

Was this missed? So hot, so expressive

Sorry, refreshed slowly. Thanks R165

Won’t look for my own sanity but I imagine some bash stans are suddenly experts in foreign policy and scolding joe for his like. Perhaps the trans Jewish fan who emerged post HP will also be Palestinian

Kit finally liking another Troye post and it’s his album cover, off his face with his head wedged between some impressive thighs. So real

R161 I'm sure Kit is appreciative of Troye's new music video too. A bisexual panic video if ever I saw one.

R161 joe and Kit should reenact that pic. Kit seems to appreciate joes legs. He can look just as overjoyed between them

Not sure if this vid is new or not

R164 idk if it’s new but I hadn’t seen it so thank you. Joe is so fucking tiny, his legs dangling is so funny

Some fans trying to go to the school for filming are quite ignorant. Maybe I’m reading the tone wrong but one was sooo annoyed they didn’t appear at the gate for bracelets they’d made them.

The show 'Chucky' has a gay couple in it. These kids are already miles ahead of Nick and Charlie and they're younger. That's why I said the storyline in the show doesn't make sense. Especially with the type of chemistry Joe and Kit have.

I love the Chucky show, but those two are on a way slower pace than Nick and Charlie it’s been 3 years and they are starting to tease sex. It’s been months in HS.

R166. What ? Fans at the school ? Sorry to be mean but really hope the cast don’t come out to say hi … they are working ffs.

Also if they come out to say hi, more hopeful fans will go

This was really fucking cute

R168 Oh, I guess I meant how they're bringing it up. It feels more natural to me. And they have the advantage of being younger. Nick and Charlie will look like college kids in season 3

R170 That moment kind of felt like improv to me, it just came across as very natural. And yes, absolutely fucking cute.

R172 yeah that sort of cuteness seems very innate to joe. And he and Kit don’t understand personal space so I fully believe it was improv and they both rolled with it

A great tweet.

R174 need Kit in one. Im sure there’s a pic of him in one? They cast some beautiful men for that show, Jesus. The hunger photoshoot for joe was fantastic

R169 Yep, outside the gates. Doesn’t seem like groups, just the lone person and I’ve only seen 3 so far.

was the photo of Joe with Lego at pride ever on his ig? I thought so and now I can't find it, did he delete it?

I’m not sure if my follows contribute or they’re just really pushing this collab but I’ve been getting these ads several times a day.

R177 No it wasn't.

R179 thanks

R177 Only time that loser made it to his grid was the sliver of arm from the Self-Portrait event.

R178 I haven't gotten this ad, feel a bit robbed.

To add, blithesaxon is who posted the Pride pic originally. Was never on either one of their IG's

R177 I remember that photo very well in his birthday post, but now it's gone.

R183 I remember it too - so you're not alone in thinking it was there

I remember the picture you guys are talking about, but it wasn’t the one with Lego. It was the one Sofi took of him smiling on his own, the one he mentioned liking on Threads.

This one.

R185 wait.. he did delete that one. Anyone know when he archived/deleted it?

originally there was one of him after Pride with Lego standing next to him, it was after the Netflix one

R187 He deleted it from threads? Because that's the only place he posted it.

I promise that Lego's face has never been on Joe's Instagram, we would have had meltdowns over it if it was the case. It was just the arm. And the Instagram Story from his birthday party if you want to count Stories.

R189 No, he posted that solo shot in his birthday photo dump, that's why it's in DJL's tweet at R186.

Which photodump?

I'm obviously caught up in a glitch in the matrix or something because I remember this photo being there at some point (I can't find the photo any more so sorry for reposting this)

R192 That person is such an obvious lurker. But again, the photo dump Joe did for his birthday, see R191.

R188 the solo shot of him that Sofi took at the Pride event with Lego is no longer part of his birthday dump

R186 Hmm, maybe he didn’t like it? I think he looks adorable. I do love the new delete singular photos thing on Insta though.

R194 has got to be the number 1 lurker… it’s kinda funny

R196 He said on threads that he loved that picture so that’s weird.

You could argue that Joe still has pictures of Bash but they’re all professional ones like invited to Disneyland, awards and events that are so far down his feed it wouldn’t bother him lol

R193 I promise you it wasn’t. It was posted here.

R199 The only personal one left (I think) is the one from his birthday, but it's so far back Joe might not even remember it's there.

R201 I think he might just like the picture because his IG is pretty empty. It doesn't take long to go to his first picture.

The number of selfies tal is posting, he is absolutely giving dumped energy.

Joe also deleted his original post with the puppy on Threads

These fans are way too fucking invested. I know this is YR but HS is no better. In fact at least this girl has the self awareness to know she’s too invested, I don’t think gecko will ever understand how weird his fixation on calling nick Nelson a warm bowl of soup and hating joe is

I had to look this reference up since I never watched this show, but I laughed when I read it:

Jess: None of that's girlfriend stuff. That's all good friend stuff. Cece: Okay, let me, uh, toss out a hypothetical to you, okay? Nick has a piece of lint on his sleeve. Do you go, "Hey, bud, you got some lint on your sleeve"? Or do you pick it off? Jess: I don't see how that's relevant. Cece: Yes, you do. Because you are a rabid watcher of The Crown. Jess: I watch a lot of shows. Cece: And so therefore, you know... that picking lint off of a man's sleeve... is the most intimate gesture.

Cece says this when she's talking about how a good friend would tell the man that there's lint on his shirt, but if the girl liked him, she would pick it off.

Link helpful.

Kit's finsta post count is up by one.

R206 Not saying 22 year olds should be the paradigms of maturity but it always slightly disturbs me when crazy parasocial stans are adults

R205 also reminds me of Joe fixing Kit‘s Pride pin in that one video

Lego’s brother commented on his post "are the other rumors true too?" and Lego replied with "I think so".. Don’t know what to think anymore

R205 It's so funny to see people ship them here now because back then, a few months ago, you would get shit on if you even suggested that they had a look or might fancy each other. People would post a video of Kit looking at Joe's lips or vice versa and everyone was saying 'they're just talking', 'you guys are fraus' and so on. Just a wild contrast.

R211 people were very defensive of bash and joes relationship but there was also a weird consensus among 3 people including Rosie that joe was probably very horny for Kit but Kit did not find him even a little attractive

R211 guessing it comes down to them fucking just really not being an option back then..

R209 Forgot about that, homophobic of the video to cut off where it does.

R211 I think the tone shifted when we lost the Bash stans.

Laughing at Bash unarchiving a post from 8 years ago for Nell's birthday while still keeping all of the Joe pictures up.

R210 is it about Joe? I mean the "rumors" thing?

I’m personally not reading into it as having anything to do with Joe, just a stupid joke piggy-backing off the caption of the post.

R225 weirdo. Always having my back=always helping me lovebomb my new twinks and shit on my exes, I presume

R216 that’s automatically what people are gonna suspect. Lego has nothing other relevant going on in his life worth of a rumours status

Nice to see that Connor had time to post for Nell's birthday but not for Joe's.

R220 couldn’t even leave a comment for joes. He’s next level pathetic

R220 I'm dying to know what is the freaking tea with Joe and Bash. Bash's stories seem all pointed to me and with Joe's caption on his birthday post... The gossip is hot, I'm sure.

R222 bash has nothing good going on in his life so the height of loyalty and the best way he can dig at joe is to get a friend whose ad campaign cant even get 2000 views to unfollow him

R222 That Bash stan makes me laugh, Joe in their username and in their header but hasn't tweeted about him in months and completely ignored his birthday.

Old, but Kit and Joe headed to the Vogue World afterparty. Will apparently got into the same car, but before them.

R211 I got read for filth for saying Kit was really milking the Nick Nelson looking at Charlie’s lips look thing on the Attitude red carpet. Absolutely dogpiled. When we had a particularly sophisticated chat about which combination we would most like to see fuck and I snuck Kit and Joe in the amount of ‘well ymmv but I can only see him with Bash’. Post break up has been a relief to those who like a twink/twunk combo

Love that they're friends.

I’m catching up on the thread but I think that Lego’s brothers comment is in reference just to the caption, but Lego is absolutely giving recently cut loose vibes. Joe deleting that great photo that Sofi took from his ig but not his threads, and the puppies one on threads is so strange. He’s done some weird sm shit in the past but that’s an odd one. People loved the puppy photo

R226 I was in the same boat as you. The way people pushed back on the mere suggestion that Kit found Joe hot should've clued us in that this place had too many fraus. The way they treated sexual attraction was really heteronormative, like it was only acceptable in the context of a monogamous, long-term relationship and the implications alone were tantamount to cheating.

R229 this is really true. Also, once suggested Bash and Joe could play with others, because that’s fairly fucking normal. Didn’t go down well at all

R223 Somehow doubt we’re ever going to see Nell put herself in harm’s way online in order to stick up for Bash, but what do I know.

Connor's one superfan really clocked his tea.

R232 she’s really going through it

It’s the hashtagging their names like what’s that gonna do? Really you’re just stirring the pot, if they even gaf enough to see your dumbass post.

Connor has no spine anyway, I don’t think Joe cares. People in the comments crack me up. Calling Connor a mentor. Please.

R235 Obi-Wan was a shit mentor and was surpassed in power pretty quickly, so I guess the comparison sort of works.

Not Obi-Wan catching strays

R332 Not Connor disappointing his only fan

R237 Right what a disrespectful comparison

R232 she’s not totally insane. She knows she’s stanning an unemployed man and that a cast member of on episode of doom patrol and the only cast member of servant never nominated for an award are not going to get him jobs

I will say the one semi iconic thing about Alice is despite Connor and now bash kissing her ass for years, she still hasn’t taken pity on Connor and written him a bit part and bash was the first one she wrote out of the show. Tragic

Poor thing really going through it

R241 Holding my breath till the next casting announcement

Even the queer men in this fandom are batshit

R241 Wouldn’t congratulate her on that since she basically wrote a shitty ending for Ben to please her annoying fandom.

R244 The link to a random twitter person with 6 likes will never fail to be hilarious.

R246 u right there’s so much else happening in the thread forgive me for distracting from all our other content

I could be wrong, but I get the sense that Alice and co. wouldn't cast anyone from outside of the UK in any major role. Maybe Connor will be standing in the background at a party in the last season or something.

The few vids I have seen of this trend really shows how steamy their kisses actually are

R249 This one too

R248 I haven‘t seen the casting calls, so I don’t know but I hope so. Glad he can’t get a role like Michael with his age.

R250 That second one is still so good.

R250 They really don’t look awkward like the other couples when they kiss. Crazy chemistry.

Anyone know Spanish? The translation is a bit off, but do they mean Yaz‘a bf brought her coffee and Yaz signed stuff for them?

R254 If that’s right, Yaz is winning. And he man looked good.

R254 The cop allowed her to yell to Yaz because she was about 5 meters away from her, but because Yaz's boyfriend was bringing her a coffee she didn't want to interrupt her, she asked Yaz if she could sign the book for her, Yaz said yes and to wait for her there, the fan waited 4 hours and they were still filming.

Yaz always seems sweet with fans. And yeah, good for her. Get you a man who brings you coffee.

R256 Thank you! Guess that serves them right for going there in the first place. And good for Yaz

R257 Bash could never

R259 Joe feeding him food and giving him coffee is still the sweetest thing and Bash did not appreciate it enough.

Good for Yaz. She’s gorgeous, she deserves a whipped man. All candidates for Joe take note

It’s especially sweet because they literally have runners for that stuff.

R262 that’s why I always liked that story of the person who saw Kit and Joe in Costa near the school, in the middle of a filming day.

Joe's birthday post has already reached one million

R264 Finally. It's been close for days

Thought Kit's post would reach 1.5 million, but seems like it won't reach more than 1.2-3 million maybe in awhile.

R265 1M for an ad is pretty good tbh

R266 it’s great. They must be thrilled

R266 Oh it's very good. Didn't mean it wasn't

I'm pretty sure Kit's post is the most liked JWA campaign ever on Instagram and might be the most liked one if you include Loewe as well, but don't quote me on the latter.

Kind of wish Joe hadn't hid the likes on his old posts, I wouldn't be surprised if some of them hit a million after the new season came out.

I might be late on this, but I didn’t realize that Will’s at 2.4 million followers now.

Joe hitting a million likes for his birthday post the day of Nell’s birthday is schadenfreude for me ngl

Won't happen, but Tobie needs to hit 1 million followers on Bash's birthday since he's the unwashed enemy #2. Maybe that's Kit though, can't decide.

R273 Better prepared ourselves in case Tobie or Kit post for Bashs bday.

R273 nah definitely tobie

R274 I think they or at least Kit will likely go to his party and maybe post something from there, I’m not bothered by it since Joe clearly isn’t

If Kit was still interacting frequently with Bash on social media I would think he might post, but I think Bash is in the pile with the rest of the non-Joe/Tobie/Will cast now and he won't post.

R276 I don’t see him doing a special post with pics to be clear, just can see if he goes to his party throwing one up from the party on his stories

It’s so far away who knows where they will stand then on photos but I think they’ll definitely go to his party. Never not funny that Joe’s Sam makes Kit’s photos from Bash’s birthday and Bash does not.

Another bitch eating crackers moment, but your 18th and your 21st, you can have a party, but otherwise you don't need a big birthday party unless you reach eldergay level

I’m not so positive they’ll go honestly. Don’t mind if they do so it’s not that, more that his birthday is very close to Christmas so they may already have plans and last year the whole cast went so they had people to hang out with and they were closer to him. If, as I suspect, solely Kit and will get invites this year, I can see them going together but also could see them missing. Can’t decide if he’ll invite only Kit and will and maybe rhea or be spiteful and invite the whole cast minus joe

Does he have big parties every year? Shit sounds exhausting. At least we got this picture out of the last one.

R280 Or they could be filming still and finishing up before the new year break, so could be a very busy time.

R281 I don't remember a big party for his 20th, though maybe I forgot it

R281 Jesus Christ. That mouth

If he invites everyone but Joe I can see people like Tobie sitting out and can't see Kizzy bothering or Yaz giving a fuck enough to go. Best bet it Kit being too nice and going.

R281 Kit needs to guard his body like Bash suggested

R283 Moments like these I feel like Bash understood Joe’s appeal because that’s a gorgeous shot of him. And he posted it on his story too.

R283 joes lips have to be the nicest pair I’ve ever seen on a white man. Shape, size, colour.

R285 He locked him down the second he saw him, he understood his appeal. You can say many things about Bash being shit, though thinking Joe wasn't hot isn't one of them.

R284 Yaz couldn’t care less. She didn’t go to his last birthday and I don’t think Kit would go by himself tbh he would definitely go with Tobie and Will if he goes.

R285 I mean I think bash was very attracted to joe, just narcissistic and still thought he was better and deserved to be catered to more

R288 it’s the tobie I’m most skeptical of — frankly, of him even getting an invite. Kit and will showing up together for a bit seems most likely if anyone goes. But who knows, he might not even throw something

R285 ymmv but i think he totally knew Joe was fucking hot to lots of men. He was completely into him for a long time. He was just a dick who didn’t hype him once he got more famous than Bash

R291 tbh, even after Joe was much more famous than him he still seemed like a devoted boyfriend. That MCU casting and Joe becoming an adult capable of living by himself must have fucked with his mind.

It is the UGLIEST men who try to insist they’re hotter than joe. Whoever compared him to joe was trying to build up his self esteem or was legally blind

R292 so devoted he visited him twice in the states in six months? He was “devoted” when joe put in most of the work, and acted like they were acquaintances when in public setting together.

R294 Oh god I'm not defending Bash, I said he seemed all right for awhile after Joe was more famous than him so don't think fame was the only thing. I'm saying Bash was an unemployed flop for 95% of their relationship who worked for four months in two years

R293 Maybe with the lights off he looks like Joe?

R288 Tbh, if he gets an invite I can see Kit going even without Will. There are some random people in Bash’s friend circle Kit is at least acquainted with and if they’re still somewhat talking then and there’s no tangible reason not to go, he‘ll probably show.

R286 The recent run of British men playing queer (Joe, Kit, and Nicholas Galitzine) have been really surprising in terms of lips. Basically false advertising for the rest of them.

R294 Even now, Walmart Charlie is the one flying out to see Bash.

R296 Yeah, people wouldn’t have been dickriding him so much in here if he didn’t appear to be a devoted boyfriend. We don’t know anything about that relationship truly but he did seem like a decent boyfriend for a while.

R298 agree to disagree. I think it’s fair for people in retrospect to say “oh so he was only a good boyfriend when Joe put in most of the work, which isn’t being a good boyfriend”

R299 Actually fair point there. Which is why I expect him to go to LA once and expect Charlie to always be in London otherwise. Good thing for Bash is that he's rich and unemployed too.

R300 good thing for Bash that his parents are keen on him moving young men they’ve only known for a short amount of time into the house

Hater perspective, but a couple of us would try to point things out and people would make excuses. A lot of people viewed the relationship with rose-tinted glasses the entire time and then re-evaluated once it ended.

R302 you were undeniably more insightful than most. Photos of them in Brazil and the Emmy’s were the only time I thought the vibes were off

R302 Well people called them the real life Nick and Charlie and thought they were going to get married, so yeah. I never thought it was perfect but did think they matched well for a while.

I’m 50/50 on Kit going to Bash’s party, I think a big part of the appeal to him was going and having fun with his other close friends from the cast and I don’t know if it’ll hold the same appeal if they’re not invited.

R304 That was so fucking corny.

Guy who said Joe’s next would be a hairy, 28 yr old (Daddy) was the real prophet. Obviously he was not imagining Lego but he certainly was closer than the rest of us

R306 That was also me, and don't fucking remind me.

Since I predicted Joe and Bash not lasting through the end of the show's run because Bash was a shitty boyfriend and (unfortunately) Lego, I need my inadvertent clairvoyance to carry through to Joe and Kit hooking up.

so Kit is at Heaven in london?

R309 I read that as they aren’t there?

R310 i must have misread it. i thought they meant as “ not Kit Connor…” like he was there

R310 Same

Another instance of them accidentally recreating Nick x Charlie things:

R302 Even fans were making excuses, I fought for Bash like he was my boyfriend about his birthday message for Joe. Though Emmy's and Pride did piss me off

R309 Think she's saying they aren't there. No Kit Connor or Joe Locke, what's the point of clubbing

R312 My frauest trait is how much I'm into these photo parallels, the NYC/DC ones especially.

R313 She's real for that.

The birthday thing was interesting to me because a lot of the pushback of the criticism was defending Bash for not being more affectionate when the problem was the overall lack of effort. I never expected them to come out as a couple via birthday wishes, but I did expect more than a single Story with 3 or 4 words. Everyone else got multiple Stories. Just this year you had Kit, Nell, and Yaz getting multiple Stories/pictures.

R314 Not to defend Bash but I think that was their thing. Joe didn't post a long paragraph either for Bash's birthday. It was tongue-in-cheek humor.

R315 Kinda agree. It’s this thing a lot of gen z couples do where they act pointedly uncouply in captions, comments etc. Which is partly why I used to think Joe and Lego‘s sm interactions tracked with that.

Like R314 said, it was effort. Joe got one pic with him in it and that dumb line, Nell got everyone on LPSG thinking she was his girlfriend and Kit got half a dozen pictures

and Joe was flying across the world to see him at the time even if he didn't post a paragraph

Joe doesn’t post a long paragraph for anyone.

R315 Joe's Stories fit with the way he celebrates everyone else, Bash's Story stood out with how low-effort it was. Imagine getting that shitty Story and then dinner with his parents third-wheeling in some random shitty town. Kill me.

Yaz getting three posts this year with one of them making it really obvious that they don’t actually talk all that much, the one with Ncuti, did make me laugh.

R317 I think you're confusing what seemed to be their way of flirting with showing 'effort' in the relationship. No one was talking about that.

R308 I’d say you owe us (and Joe) but honestly you copped so much shit for those posts you’re probably still owed apologies.

R320 low key so obsessed with the Yaz Ncuti situation. Bash posting them fully revealed how little he has to do with her and what a clout chaser he is

R323 I wouldn’t be surprised if he tagged Ncuti assuming that Ncuti was still close to Yaz and that it would finally get him a follow back.

Nick shirtless for the season 3 one (had to)

The way this poor interviewer unfortunately worded this and their reactions still has me WHEEZING.

You can tell someone who’s never been in a relationship wrote this because who thinks “we’re long past the part of our relationship where we need to make our whenever we are alone” which yeah is a thing if they’ve been married for like 10+ years!

R327 We need Kit pulling Joe down by the back of his neck to snog him in season 3.

Sometimes I believe fans when they say cheesy shit like “they share a braincell”

R329 Kit being so into staring at Joe that it takes him a second to realize Joe's wrong is making me laugh.

R330 yeah, he looks zoned out for a sec. also the quotes on the original one are fun

if I‘m understanding the tweets of that fan at the school correctly, only Will and Yaz were at the school yesterday and apparently they’re filming somewhere else on Monday.

R332. Thanks . Totally not normal but I really wish we had the filming schedule. Not for stalking , but because I am v nosy .

Also George Jacques film premieres today. It is sold out and I am going to the theatre anyway. But I would def go to the red carpet if I wasn’t busy, in case Kit turns up. Or anyone else of interest of course.

R333 Bash might go as well… he liked the initial post about the film premiering at the festival

Hot.

Joes lanky little body is so perfect. Their size difference is hot as hell

My guess is that they've been filming both at the school and at other locations this week. Wasn't there a day where they were done early at the school? Would think they hadn't wrapped for the day, just moved on somewhere else, like Nick's house. And didn't someone mention a third location they were scheduled to work at this week, the place where they filmed the prom outfit shopping or something?

R336 I’m too old for the way that Kit slips his thumb and finger into Joe’s sleeve here make me feel so many things. These two fuckers and their chemistry

Joe followed Alex Lacamoire on Instagram, if anyone had a Hamilton phase you'd recognize him. Arranged the score with LMM and was the musical director and conductor of the whole thing.

R338 honestly think a good part of what sells the chemistry is that they look like they want to touch each other

R339 interesting. Eric doesn’t follow him so that connection isn’t why

R340 I'm sure that's really hard for both of them.

R339 good mate of LMM as well, right? Seems completely unlikely he’s a stan follow. You have to be pretty deep in the weeds to know/care who he is

R342 as we all know Joe seems disgusted by hot muscular men and cradling a perfect little twink seems like a hardship for Kit. Thoughts and prayers

R343 I would say that Joe's enough of a stan to know who he is, so it could go either way, We should keep an eye out and see if Lacamoire follows Joe back.

R344 Awful.

What’s throwing me is less whether joe might be in the weeds enough to know who he is (probably yes) and more the timing. Seems unlikely he was listening to the soundtrack for the thousandth time today and was so inspired he just followed him

R340 Exactly. Even in this little clip that was apparently improvised. All the other couples are hugging and Nick and Charlie are fully making out at one point. I know they’re the main couple but their chemistry is not like any other.

Leila followed him and some of the Hamilton cast pretty recently, so the other option is that they were listening to to the OBC on set.

R348 The slow dancing bit of the montage, too.

Joe followed the Hamilton West End account now.

So it is just 6 year belated stanning. He’s funny

R352 Maybe re-stanning since he's mentioned it before

R335 I wonder if this little group of friends (Lucy Georgia Claire) are headed to the LFF premiere. They are always ahead of the game and share great pics.

R345 Wish Joe’d sang along properly, his singing voice is still such a mystery.

R339 Hamilton has a massive following all over the world. Even I who am not a musical fanatic knows who Alex Lacamoire is.

Love the clip of him singing along. Just like the one of Edvin Ryding and friends singing to Groff's version of 'You'll be back'. Wonder if Kit is also a Hamilton fan.

R356 Wow, really? I had no clue.

Fair play to Cormac, $25 per video isn't terrible. At least he isn't fleecing the teenaged fans.

I missed this back in August:

[quote]my spies tell me Ian McKellen will star as Falstaff in a new west end production of Henry IV part 1 & 2 dir by Robert Icke at the Noël Coward 🎭

This was tweeted 13 days before the Theater Fan guy tweeted about Kit, so looks like the rumours were all circulating around the same time.

R359 Joe and kits careers are actually insane

R354 this made me laugh. Sorry, but those girls who go to every event that he might even possibly go to are weird as fuck. Her tt are bizarre too

R351 he unfollowed since. Maybe he’s going tonight?

R359 I can already tell trying to get tickets is going to be irritating as hell.

R363 will it be that bad, do the west end plays get that crazy ( the big ones, at least)?

Okay, so the rumor about the Noel Coward gives us a couple of more clues. Right now, the theater is booked from December 9, 2023, to March 23, 2024, for The Motive and The Cue and then booked again from October 8, 2024 to December 21, 2024 for Dr. Strangelove. Meaning Henry IV could be slotted in somewhere between April and September 2024. That would give Kit time to rehearse after the third season is wrapped and would also allow him to shoot a 4th season in the fall if the show's renewed.

R361 I really wonder what it is with Kit that makes some fans act like crazy stalkers. They’ve met him several times but still try to see him again and again. Freaky.

Also, Kit popped into the LFF to support his friend.

He definitely went expecting to just chill at the actual screening and got pulled onto the carpet.

R369 Definitely, I laughed when I noticed the cap and the shoes.

Wonder if the DLer that said he was going wound up seeing him? Anyway, another picture without the watermark.

R371 He looks good.

R372 Hot and relaxed.

R367 obviously he’s really happy to be there to support his friend but this is just about the closest I’ve even seen him look to pissed off.

R365 nice work. That all seems like good timing for him.

R366 he really is a heart-throb in that very traditional sense, and girls and young women have always behaved bizarrely about them.

R374 Yeah, the way they talk about meeting these celebrities convinces me it triggers some addiction-like response in them or something. Especially when there are hugs involved and they get their need for attention met because Kit or whoever is being too nice about it all. Then they try to replicate that feeling over and over by practically stalking them. Also explains why some are so delusional (like that guy recalling meeting Kit and interpreting him being kind as "flirting"). Not to mention some of them seem to really believe they are friends with Kit etc.

R374 yeah I was wondering if he was pissed in general or if a photographer told him to smile

R376 as someone who wear a cap a lot, unexpected photos with hat hair is annoying. It’s incredible Kit’s hair looks so good when he just takes it off but at guess it’s a ‘for fucks sake’ face.

R375 it must be. Obviously I was being a bit narrow by saying girls and young women. Crunchy is at least mid 30s and I think I saw somewhere isn’t from the UK but flew to meet him (it was a good call because they’re best friends now).

Whatever happened to that weirdo that moved to Croydon for Kit and was "vacationing" on the IOM for Joe?

R378 oh god, that guy. Rosie’s only non-toxic trait was that she would call him a creep on Twitter. It was how she ended up doxxing herself here

okay, i thought it was known that he smokes but okay

R365 great research thanks , would love to see any of the cast on stage again for sure

R378 I’m new . WTF? Did this really happen ?

dk why but love seeing Kit & Louis together. their outfits look great too

R381 yeah haven’t heard from him in a while but yeah he was very much obsessed with Kit, like even more than the bash stans if i remember correctly. It was his trip to IOM i think that set off the beef between the weirdo and Rosie i think

R380 A casual "fan“ like that probably wouldn’t know. Even some of the stans seem to be under the impression Kit only vapes. Bur that might be them being in denial.

Also just saw that Louis follows Kit‘s finsta. Did that happen after PFW?

R380 Probably not in the fandom? There was some argument that he's just a social smoker. His more naïve teen fans think he randomly just vapes sometimes. He's probably not a heavy smoker, but yeah, he's a smoker. Think 99% of the cast smokes anyway.

R384 i think it was after MFW or the Venice film festival a while back i think

Just based on the situations he's been spotted smoking in, he does seem to be a social smoker. Like every other British person.

R383 Obsessed with Kit since he was in Slaughter House Rulez I think too, and listened to a podcast of a kid and decided to move to his home town. A weird situation.

t it

R388 I know we we throw around "stalkers" and "creeps" a lot but that’s actually giving restraining order case.

R389 yeah and i think when he was in the IOM wasn’t he asking around about Joe too?

I think he said something about knowing Joe’s family friends.

R389 You shouldn't admit some things in public

R390 I think he randomly met people who know Joe's family. IOM is small, but not that damn small

R390 he claimed he somehow ended up in a social setting with friends of relatives of Joe (or someone who worked with his grandma or something). He was clearly asking around about him. Wild

The absolute breakdown these threads had about Joe possibly smoking in Sicily. And lbr, if you scratched the surface it was just because everybody hated Lego. No one has ever had any particular issue with Kit and Will smoking. We really dug in on our dislike of that guy. Always impressed by DL’s commitment

R392 Lol, not even surprised crunchy follows him.

R393 For me it was 3/4th anger at the idea that Lego was influencing Joe in any way, 1/4th concern about him picking up smoking right before potentially doing a musical on Broadway.

R392 wow, he went absolutely quiet just around the time of the JoeBash break up. I wonder if it came as too much of a shock

R392 That tweet....

R394 And Shay being one of the likes on that creepy tweet.

R394 Yeah, the outrage was real. Making up scenarios about Lego getting Joe to smoke when he‘s been around smokers for years but never took up the habit until then. Sincerely hope Lego‘s 15 minutes of fame are done for good.

Yeah, if Kit, Will, Jenny etc. smoking did not get him to smoke I don't think a random man in Soho was going to influence him that much

I will fully admit that I was convinced it was casual 95% of the time, but at some point let some of the more dramatic fuckers on here get to me, and the smoking thing was part of the 5%.

R399 would not be surprised if Joe has had the odd cigarette over the years when with the HS cast, and clearly still hasn’t taken it up full time (or Kit’s presumed levels of social smoking). Lego’s selfie stories are still coming hilariously thick and fast so I’m invested in his new single desperation for the moment, but I’m probably less than two weeks away from unfollowing

R402 He's always does excessive amounts of selfies, so not really seeing much of a difference there honestly

I blame no one for the mild hysteria regarding Lego (been there) but that smoking thing was hilarious. Fun day

R403 agree to disagree on that. I think he’s up by about double the frequency almost since exactly around the sad, topless, pizza, single post. I will fully admit Im looking for it though

R401 I will admit I had my dramatic moments with Lego. Not teen bride level but the whole Joe and Lego in Marbella thing was a low.

R402 Joe’s still liking but hasn’t commented on posts he might usually comment on, taking that as a win.

R403 Okay, I take that back. The intimate with a pizza story was pretty desperate. I hadn't checked today. Joe did randomly go back and like his post from yesterday though. Though Joe seems like a horrible ex if you want to be petty and shitty, not in a bad way, but like in the way where he's so unbothered he'd make you go insane (see Bash).

Newbie here.

Have either had penetrative homosexual sex?

With each other or others?

Screen clips?

R407 he liked that one and Olivia‘s post this morning so I‘m guessing it was a long day filming yesterday

R406 The Marbella thing made me feel like I was taking crazy pills because I thought it was obvious he wouldn't be going on a vacation again a week into filming.

R407 He went back and liked a number of posts he missed yesterday, Olivia's was another one.

R406 the teen bride stuff shat me and honestly you could always tell when it was a gay man making the argument (rationally) and when it was a frau, and the frau came out in force on it. Big difference between calling Joe a baby gay being taken advantage of and just calling him a baby. But I also thought they were on holiday together - embarrassing.

R408 They are saving themselves for marriage

R408 Joe had a longterm relationship with a man so presumably they just held hands

R410 It seemed possible enough for me at the time because I thought they’d be filming Menorca stuff that week and Joe would be back by Wednesday but clearly I had lost my damn mind. Lyme Regis happened and that was a much better fever dream

R408 Best I can do is a clip of them getting horny over a candy bar.

R414 I thought it was possible since Lego wasn't attention whoring like he was before. Turns out he was probably just solo and didn't have someone to take his selfies

Dylan’s been on and following people multiple times over the last couple of days and hasn’t follow Lego back. Love it.

R392 Poor Kit attracts a lot of deeply mentally disturbed people, like that one anti who doxxed and bragged about harassing his family

R417 He's so fucking dumb for unfollowing her. She didn't take that long to follow him, liked one of his posts too. I don't think Joe has anything to do with it either, doesn't seem like his style to say anything like that when he didn't get his friends to unfollow his actual ex.

R418 I'll never not be infuriated over the fact that those people are so insane that they actually managed to push him into coming out:

[quote]Initially, Connor brushed off the speculation, tweeting a few weeks after Heartstopper was released that Twitter “is so funny man. apparently some people on here know my sexuality better than I do,” then saying on a podcast that he preferred not to label himself. [...] He deleted his Twitter account soon after, writing, “this is a silly silly app,” but the messages got to the point of harassment and stalking — “People would start reaching out to my friends and people I was close to about it,” as Connor puts it — which set him off. [...] So in bed, after that long day shooting last fall, Connor decided to log back on to Twitter and fire off a message: “back for a minute. i’m bi. congrats for forcing an 18-year-old to out himself. i think some of you missed the point of the show. bye.” It was an entirely impulsive decision. He tweeted it, deleted Twitter off his phone, and went to sleep. “Then, the next morning, I just realized, Oh God, what did I do?” he says. “In my head, I was just like, I want it to stop. I didn’t think about the reaction.”

R419 I think it’s more that Lego came up in the conversation and Joe might have mentioned that there’s not much going on with him (anymore) so Dylan decided for herself that he wasn’t worth following. Joe obviously didn’t tell her to unfollow, he’s still friendly with Lego afterall

R419 I don't think Joe would ever tell anyone to unfollow, but I wouldn't be surprised if Dylan asked Joe about him, Joe said they cooled off, and Dylan decided there was no point in continuing to follow him.

I don’t have an excuse. I’d convinced myself Joe was down and would be there. Ridiculous, and based on personal experience of dating someone Lego’s age at Joe’s age.

R419 I kind of think it’s a - why would I bother following this guy if my new mate isn’t with him anymore - situation, rather than Joe asking her to unfollow. The timing lines up because they had dinner together

Yeah, true. Could see Joe just saying they aren't really seeing each other anymore and she had no reason to follow someone who had unfollowed her.

R420 The “In my head, I was just like, I want it to stop.” part is always a gut punch.

Actually, might keep following Lego for a bit longer to see if he gets a bit chubby post Joe. Has upped the pizza consumption and I have a theory that men really hit a downwards trajectory when Joe breaks up (cools off) with them. Need to gather evidence for science.

R426 Godspeed, I had to unfollow. Waiting for the story complaining about being chubby along with balding so some desperate twink will side into his dm's to tell him he's neither.

R427 I’ll try not to keep this thread too Lego focused but if there is a notable downward spiral I’ll definitely update, so no need for us all to follow. Enjoy your strategically-angled selfies free tl.

Also, on the topic of things only a handful of us care about, Charlie’s story is hilarious. I do not think for a second he and Bash have cooled off. I do think he’s an attention seeker

R429 He's plugging his shitty song again. Too bad the Heartstopper fans don't give a fuck about Bash, let alone his new twink. Song isn't going to happen.

R430 him wearing that jacket again… lord.

random, but Gary has been replying to YT comments and they’re kinda nonsensical in general but it’s cracking me up that he keeps insisting filming has been delayed because of the strikes

He misses Sally.

Though he always does stories like that. Assuming he's trying to appeal to the 3k new followers he got from Bash. They aren't gonna listen to his song so he should just give up. He's gained all about he's gonna gain from Bash at this point.

R432 Bash hard launching all over the place, yet Lego (as nothing but a hookup/fwb) is still winning the clout chase over Charlie..

R430 the way the Joe fans dropped Bash like he never existed. Even Instagram has caught up

R434 He did it to himself. Interest was always going to go way down now that he's off the show, but if he stayed a decent friend to the cast and ex to Joe people might have supported him a bit more. Not all that much, but I could see myself in an alternative timeline telling people to be nice to him since he's someone Joe cared about. What a nightmare.

R435 suspect he feels likes he’s winning the break up regardless so I’ll be interested to see how he feels if his movie flops because no HS fans can be fucked watching. Unless someone reports it’s excellent I won’t bother

R436 I suspect he does since his friends he knew before Joe took his side and he's in a new relationship. While it's the opposite since Joe got all the friends they made together (minus Connor) and is currently working on a hit show and didn't rush into a new relationship. Oh well.

Meanwhile at least Lego seems to be going through some performative sad single phase - even though I think he probably doesn’t really care that much and it wasn’t serious - which is a tune I have changed (proudly flip flop based on little evidence)

I don't care about him, but I want to know where this is, I mean what event did he attend and why does he look so miserable

I love and will buy into the idea of chubby Lego consoling himself with pizza after losing joes hot little ass

R438 He came across a pic of Joe's ass/tongue/body in general, take your pick, on IG and went into a deep depression

R439 Looks like a poker table, am assuming he lost the 4 dollars he made from Doom Patrol.

R439 I’m trying to find evidence but I think that he wore the white tux ages ago. Doesn’t seem to be anywhere on his ig. Which continues to be a source of extreme annoyance to me

I think you’re right bash thinks he won the breakup but I honestly am fascinated by that and kind of need some of that delusion bottled to improve my own life. Imagine seeing all your costars prefer joe, him have mainstream success and acclaim, hugely famous respected industry people adore him, clearly thriving and happy and fulfilled single, and none of his projects be delayed and think you won because you kept prize racehorse secretariat, second string myrcella from game of thrones, and unemployed poorly aging Connor and because you and your creepy family lured a clout chasing tiktoker into your childhood bedroom

He’s with Connor and Nell’s elderly gentleman caller

Assuming Nell is having a poker-themed birthday party or some shit.

R445 yeah, apologies, I did just see it was new. Not sure how a man with his intergenerational wealth can look so sulky when losing money, but he’s clearly a competitive guy

R445 he‘s such a cliché.

R444

[quote] second string myrcella from game of thrones

you killed her twice

R440 happy to feed this narrative for you, based on the evidence of two ig stories only

R446 Nailed it.

So Connor for sure came to London for Nell's birthday when he couldn't leave a happy birthday on Joe's birthday post

I’ve started both the Lego and the Charlie chat here in the last hour but damn I wish Kit gave us some gossip. The Tobie theory seems unlikely and never really took off, I guess it’s possible he’s quietly dating a woman or man but I’d love some evidence of a man on his roster at least. I don’t want this to be interpreted as biphobic, I’m just more interested in gossip about him and men because I also like men (shockingly).

I don't think Joe would care and he might even prefer it that way, but it's going to be crazy when Connor leaves London without ever seeing him.

R453 I honestly don't think he's dating anyone, which is a large part of why we're not getting any crumbs.

I’m glad for bash and Nell they have these lavish 20K birthdays. Firstly family money to fall back on when their already middling careers inevitably fail. Secondly an excuse to wear tuxedos and gowns. God knows they’re not getting invited to premieres or fashion shows or anything. Ami lost his number the second he and joe broke up, Dior doesn’t remember he exists, and Jonathan Anderson saw his pan stick makeup after sticking him in the glove outfit and said “yeah we’re good”

R454 idk why Joe would prefer it that way. Sad as it is Connor is the one friend he seems to be trying really hard to hang onto, probably because he like all of us saw Connor as a true mutual. He likes all connors posts, tagged him as recently as late September, and has commented on his threads selfie. I think Connor and maybe to an extent bash’s family, though I’m sure he’s over them by now, are the ones who would make him legit sad

R453 question... since you're into gossip, the man/boy Kit was dating whilst filming S1 was Sof's brother right? or was that never confirmed?

R456 There's no gossip about Kit dating any guy. There was a he's dating Sof's brother truther, but there wasn't ever any even slight proof of that. Seems more like he's just a friend since they still hang out

R456 pretty sure Kit never dated him, tragically, but he’s sofs bother yes.

R454 I’m all for a happy single life but in this case what a waste. I hope he’s got some FWB situation that means he’s fucking on the regular.

R456 he’s a longterm friend, don’t think they were dating

R454 I‘d be almost certain he has someone if he‘d not always be spotted either by himself or with Tobie, Tobie/Joe.

R454 Inclined to agree, especially with all of the time he spends with Tobie.

R456 It was never confirmed that he was dating a guy during the first season, that rumor popped up from a random CDAN blind. Not saying he wasn’t, just that we don’t have any proof.

R459 Joe's free now... he can be his FWB

R455 Yeah, it's pretty sad to watch Connor jsut flat out ignore him. So much so, connor's only fan has noticed.

R461 That blind item was so dumb if I'm remember it correctly, didn't it basically say he had to come out since someone was going to do a tell all on an 18 year old.

R463 yeah that was it

R461 I didn’t realise that rumour came from that qanon internalised-homophobic poisonous pos. Alway infuriates me when his blinds pop up on DL. Guy is accusing most of Hollywood of being closeted pedophiles

Louis Partridge would be hot but apparently he has a girlfriend

Only one posts mentioning bash’s full name on twitter today. And it’s “daily bashy”. He fell off in a MAJOR way

R466 yeah, doesn’t ping for me at all. I’d think fully hetero

R454 Joe drove Connor around Atlanta and took him to see Taylor VIP for nothing.

R463 Yeah, requiring a person to somehow ignore that no publication would out an 18 year-old.

R460 Might be reading into it but looks like he’s going through it with the pictures from today.

R470 Kit? He seemed fine?

R470 really think he just got taken by surprise by the red carpet, felt he needed go do it to support his mate, and had hat hair

He looks okay to me.

R471 yeah, I also didn’t get a pissed off vibe from him. considering it’s a red carpet, the photos he smiled in even seemed genuine

R473 yeah, absolutely. A single shot where he looks a little pissed and I’ve projected a whole hat scenario on him. He seems great

Completely irrelevant, but didn't realize the guy who posted the pic of Dan Levy, Charlie and Bash only follows Joe and randomly Patrick from the cast. I hope he asked about Joe.

R470 Think Kit just didn't expect to have to take pictures, but probably wasn't that put out

I can’t even really think of anyone Kit could be connected to apart from Tobie. Maybe I should kick off a rumour about him and the cute assistant from the beach. From memory that guy was quite twinky

R477 he and joe are both single and having hot makeout scenes. And missing from Kizzy’s live. Let’s start with them

R476 which guy

R479 This one

R478 oh yeah. My thinking is still being influenced by the Lego factor clearly. Happy to run with JoeKit

Here's a video of Kit on the carpet.

R478 Oh, I love this kind of baseless spec. Let me add to it. The reason Joe and Kit were the only two in those pictures with the fans and you can only see Will farther back in one of them is because he was giving them space and privacy.

R480 also follows Bash and Charlie?

He looked really happy to see his friend.

R482 He looks a bit tired, guessing he and Joe filmed a ton this past week.

there’s a girl I thought he might be seeing casually, based on not a whole lot - just that she’s his type, sm interactions starting around the time Kit and Maya ended, and friends overlapping.. obviously not dropping her name. if he‘s actually seeing someone, they‘d be insanely good at hiding it.

Is the Taylor song from that one HS episode playing in the background?

R483 Bash is unemployed. I meant more not following Kit, Will, etc. He followed Charlie after he met him, not sure about Bash. Just find it randomly funny when Bash meets a Joe fan out in the wild.

R484 What about the blond twink? I know it’s his friend but is he single/gay?

R486 I know the one but their sm interactions have dropped off the irregular/no more, right? I haven’t checked in awhile

R489 He's an old friend. They went to the same school.

R489 Has a long-term girlfriend, she was there with him.

R486 R490 Not sure if it's the same girl I'm thinking of, but if it was she's had boyfriend but doesn't post much about him very often.

R490 irregular, yes. but he’s recently liked two of her posts, and that could be part of keeping it low-key, though I honestly doubt it..

Kit must be seeing someone or is in a fwb situation. I can’t imagine someone like Kit staying single for months/years. Unless that’s what he wants.

Oh, I kind of think I know who you guys are referring to? No, there’s nothing there. The social media activity’s been sporadic since the beginning.

Kit likes a lot of posts and follows so many people, it's hard to figure out much.

If I had to assume, a hot 19 year old man isn't celibate for a year though.

R486 Pretty sure the timing of when the social media interactions started is because that's when they met, not because the thing with Maia ended.

R494 giving it thought, honestly, I think if he was actively seeing her he probably wouldn’t like anything unless he was absolutely in. I think he mentioned he basically would be really hesitant to date a woman publicly.

R495 agree. Theory is he’s either seeing someone on the extreme DL (ha) who is older and discreet, or he has a FWB situation with someone he’s close to. Can’t see him flying solo for years in his position

To clarify, MY theory is

R496 true, the sm interactions wouldn’t have tipped me off at all if she didn’t seem so on brand for his type and the timing of it (Maia breakup) was different. But also agree with R498.. it’s all highly speculative anyway

R495 I wouldn’t be completely surprised if he has some anxiety about dating between the coming out shit and the position Maia was in while seeing him.

R502 with the shit Maia copped I was always surprised that arrangement lasted as long as it did. He must be a good time in bed

R502 Between the shit Kit went through with all of that and Joe's clearly complicated feelings about feeling like a burden to other people, I really hope they have good therapists. Dating is already a minefield for them with their fame, must be a shit salad with everything else.

R503 Seeing as her type is mostly older men, I agree. Always found it hilarious that as soon as that thing started, all the cast was in her comment section. Joe, Bash and weirdly Connor.

R505 Kizzy mentioned she was good value. I think they just liked her. Though they all clearly adore Kit so if he was actually really into her initially I see them being pretty enthusiastic for him

R506 yeah, wasn’t Kizzy also the one who said Kit was the most likely to fall for someone quickly? I think it really was a mix of Maia genuinely being cool and getting along with everyone and them being supportive friends

R503 I thought she looks miserable in some of those fan pics of them in Argentina, and then you had her friends at dinner speaking a language Kit can't understand, the hate and outing and all the other random shit, so I guess lasting longer than just London was a surprise. That article with Kit's name in the headline was probably not the final straw, but might have been a straw

I thought the thing with the friends at dinner was pretty rude. If her friends are all rich Argentinians as I suspect, they all probably know passable English. Rich kids in South American countries go through school learning two languages and the second one is almost always English, but sometimes German.

R508 She was always supportive though. When he won that Emmy, she was in Bash’s comment section and seemed really happy for him. It’s the crazy fans and trolls that kind of ruined it for them.

R507 I think that he has also mentioned he falls in love pretty easily (jesus I feel frau even just writing that).

R508 looked like they were being a bit stalked in Argentina and she's use to moving around pretty autonomously, though I guess there could have been some professional annoyance (rather than jealousy), particularly after that fucking article. Tbh, seeing her life since, Kit's low key life doesn't seem her style really. Not that she's constantly out partying, but she is far more than Kit. She's posting out most days/nights, and Kit gets spotted just travelling in London once or twice a week.

R509 Yeah, the behavior of her friends in that vlog struck me as a little weird. I've been in situations like that, where a person doesn't speak in the predominant language of the group, and we didn't ignore them and just speak around them. We struggled through trying to communicate and it ended up being pretty fun.

R510 I cannot believe bash made a grid post to celebrate his boyfriend losing an Emmy

R510 there's being supportive and then there is Teen Vogue using your costar/FWB's name in the headline of an article about an unrelated project. Took her days to share the article and they cooled off around then or not much later. Agree with guy who said it was probably wasn't the main reason, but it didn't help.

R513 it defies logic really. Massive red flag

R513 Joe had to sit there alone after losing too. And Joe never liked it and got shit for it from some of the more insane Kit fans who suggested he was being petty and jealous towards Kit. Which if he didn't like it, Kit was not the issue...

Love that these weirdos are saying we said things we never actually said. We never said Kit's a regular smoker or that Joe smokes. One of them also now thinks Kit's gum chewing is nicotine-related. You guys think this place is dramatic? That place is much more annoying.

R515 also sorry, Kit and joe are always enormously happy for and proud of one another but I would be fine with either being sad they lost an award to the other. Come on.

R516 Think our girl maurice can't read. Nobody said Joe smokes

R516 basic reading comprehension Reddit millennial women lurkers - we said JOE DOES NOT SMOKE.

R516 That Prize Track is constantly a cunt about Kit, surprised they haven’t been called out about it. They act like they like Kit but always go for the worst case scenario about everything. He’s a regular smoker, he was crippled with anxiety at Pride because he made a funny face in a video, his career is in the gutter because he has no chemistry with Maia in the Cuban Girl’s movie (mind you, no one has seen a single second of that movie yet).

R520 Oh, you can tell a lot of them don't like Kit. The bitchy and snide comments about Kit when Joe posted about the occupation made that really clear.

I honestly can't tell if that group love or hate us. I think twitter gets brought up far to often on DL but honestly its usually just to talk shit- they're reporting back on what we're saying like we're the fucking nightly news.

R520 honestly that subreddit is filled with weirdos. Another one goes off about how she loves joe but roots more for Kit because he seems more driven and to love the art of acting more and won more awards and other shady shit. Don’t really understand why they both have oops

Not to be shady on DL because I literally haven’t been in the Reddit group long and didn’t bother scrolling back. Feel like this thread tends to focus a lot on Kit opps or shady people when a lot of people on there or twitter are equally shady about joe?

R523 that sounds straight up like sad bitch Rosie. I wonder if she found a new place to police what everyone is talking about so it's only positive about Kit and Alice (despite claiming she hated her)

R524 Those bitches get dragged too when they're brought up here, see Crunchy and Gecko. Bring them up and we can have a free-for-all about them.

R522 I've read "DL said this and that" at various places like we actually know what we are talking about. Yes, people can figure out work stuff but as for personal life stuff, not really, we are hit and miss and not sure why anyone cares what we say. Figuring out Joe and Bash broke up did not take a genius since they made it so obvious but apparently because of that we are the #1 source of gossip now

R524 sorry, my reading comprehension is off myself now. I'm not sure what you're saying about this thread or reddit, and I'm interested.

R524 We did run JoeBashCandies off the internet for being a POS about Joe.

R526 no I meant specifically the subreddit and I was puzzled because I felt like everyone on there was OBSESSED with Kit and brought Joe up only occasionally to basically say Kit was better. But then I resolved my confusion. I think there’s a gossip subreddit you all are talking about that I’m not on, and maybe they are very shady about Kit — idk as I’m not on it. I was on just the regular “heartstoppercast” subreddit which is absolutely obsessed with Kit and posts fanart and shit of him all the time. So my confusion makes sense because I was just talking about a different site.

R529 yeah see above, I didn’t realize there was another subreddit about the HS cast. The main/not private one is absolutely very blatant about finding Kit far superior to joe, I believe you all that the other one is shady

R530 Are you R523? That explains why I was confused, I think I did see that comment but you're right, it was in one of the public subreddits. The screenshots are from a private lounge on Reddit.

R527 hoodiegate was pretty great but other than that, gay men should not be treated as a reliable source of gossip. Because we can find it in anything. I will never not smell frau when someone on here says 'there's no evidence of that'. Obviously there isn't, we are bored gays.

R532 yeah I am, I just refuse to join the private subreddit because the users in the regular one are so fucking rude about joe and generally frauish and annoying that I can’t handle more of them

R527 This is going to sound incredibly cunty, but the bar is so low in the fandom that we're probably the one place that congregates the brightest of the bunch. So we find things and make connections faster than anyone else. On top of that we don't police each other into silence and I bet they're jealous on some level that we say whatever the fuck we want.

Sorry but it is legit funny that as soon as people spotted Connor and bash in tuxedos, they knew it must be Nell’s birthday because they’re not getting black tie event invites. Truly love DL

There are three subreddits

heartstopperao - obsessed with the show but randomly hated S2. think kit is the best actor by far in the show and the only one who will have a career . heartstoppercast - didn't deny Joe and bash were dating, but obsessed with Kit. heartstoppergossip - basically old gossip they can't talk about publicly. have gotten a few new things recently like the dylan unfollowing lego on sunday and some good shots from filming on the beach

R537 I was tempted to join the third one but tbh they must be on the lookout for us now

You’d think I’d like those places as a Kit stan, but they’re so fucking stupid that I’d rather blow my brains out than read their posts and comments. I also generally hate people that are incapable of being fans of someone without taking random potshots at other people. I was terrible at being a pop girlie stan on Twitter.

R537 thank you. As someone who loves joe the first two are unbearable and gross about him anyway, and as someone who loves Kit, reading above that many members of the third randomly dislike him, I’ll give that a pass too and stick to DL.

R539 that’s the thing. I genuinely really like all the cast and love Kit but joe is my guy. Even so, when I’m scrolling down a nice joe Stan page or post I’ve post and then there’s a sudden barb at Kit it pisses me off. How is it needed? It’s admittedly far more common in reverse, but either way is so unneeded

Heartstopperao is also full of even weirder people than twitter. Their Kit fixation is next level creepy and they post incessantly about how much they need a nick Nelson to cure their deep issues. While Kit is indeed amazing I suspect their nick fixation and weird jealousy of joe and Charlie (they also shit nonstop on Charlie and say they’d be more supportive and loving of friends and nick) plays into their insistence that he acts circles around joe. Bizarre

i have enough of the joe haters on twt so yeah skipping the reddit hs ones. like you can stan your faves and not be a bitch to everyone else( unless they deserve it) Thats while i will always check for the nerds on the agatha reddit and hope they stay super supportive when it gains more users

My favourite for some reason are the Kit stans who think they re being very subtle when they talk about how glad they are Kit is thoughtful about his career and doing indies instead of mindless marvel films. Gee, doesn’t seem pointed at all

R542 Case in point re: Joe

[quote] I really like Kit as Nick, it really feels like the character almost walked out of the books. Joe, on the other hand, doesn't. He just doesn't feel like comic Charlie to me, nor does he look like him. Which is fine, it must be incredibly difficult to try to match a comic character, one that people are already visually familiar with, with a real life person. But I do wish the styling, the MUA side of things, would help him out a bit. Like, I don't know, couldn´t they try to make Joe's hair look a bit like Charlie's? Stuff like that. There's an interview in which Joe sports wavy hair instead of curly and it really made him look a lot more Charlie-y.

Imagine wanting to straighten Joe's hair

R544 Part of me is hoping they end up on stage at the same time so that it acts as an equalizer and everyone being weird about their careers shuts the fuck up, but I suspect it won't pan out that way regardless.

R539 pretty sure I know who you are without checking your history and you'd honestly barely even know you leaned Kit's way unless during the hornier chat. There are Kit fans and then there are the truly bizarre, mainly female, obsessives he attracts. I can't imagine it would be fun reading that weird truly parasocial shit - we can barely cope with twitter

R544 yeah especially when they were all gung ho about marvel in the beginning but as soon as Joe got it, they were above that. Like i am a bit of a film snob sometimes too but i know damn well not all his stans are art house film only types, like bsffr

R545 They're simple fucking drawings, Karen, what the fuck are you going on about?

R547 honestly I feel that way about most people on here with two notable exceptions. Like at a push I could probably guess based on who they make more comments about but not because they dislike the other, quite refreshing

R548 also the way they act like joe can now never do an indie or prestige bait like Florence Pugh didn’t walk off the set of black widow and onto the set of little women. I do think kits horror sounds really good and hell have an amazing career. I think it’s great to be excited for his indies. I think it’s unnecessary and weird for them to drag Joe over it

R547 Did not expect my comments about wanting to suck Kit’s dick would make me so easy to peg, bye.

R545 Charlie doesn’t have joes gorgeous dark curly hair because Alice isn’t a good enough artist for it, sorry

R549 I missed a worse one

[quote] I'm not convinced from the acting that Charlie likes/loves Nick quite like Nick loves Charlie. You know that last kissing scene is S2 E8? Look at the way Kit stares at Joe. From his expressions I have no doubt Nick is in love with Charlie and we've seen glimpses of that love building throughout S1 and S2. Joe kind of just smiles in Nick's direction and we see the leaves/hearts blowing around and we know he's gay. But he's had the same expressions when he's happy around Tao, Elle, Tori, Nellie, etc. Nothing special stands out in his body language around Nick, even when they're alone. I just don't see love in his eyes.

NIck who, Charlie loves Nellie the same

Anyway, more bad takes in this thread if you are as bored as I am

R551 A lot of the energy about it really comes down to people who don't know shit about acting or Hollywood. They're really delusional and act like the things they're doing immediately after Heartstopper are a map to the rest of their careers. I can guarantee that at some point Kit will end up in something with a big budget and Joe will end up in a tiny indie. It's not like they're Tom Cruise who does the same brainless popcorn fare over and over again or something.

My favourite bit of shitting on Charlie and joe was a long Reddit post rant about how Charlie was an awful friend to Tao for not leaving the bonfire party with him when he saw he was upset and then they added a comment at the end about how maybe part of it was joe doesn’t play him with empathy while Kit plays nick with so much empathy. Like weird thing to needle Charlie over and also way to sneak in the joe insult mates

[quote]Nothing special stands out in his body language around Nick, even when they're alone.

Missed the part where Charlie goes around giving Tao and Elle fuck-me eyes or straddling them.

R554 just closed the app when I saw a comment saying Kit carried the show on his back (and others agreeing he’s too good and outacts joe like crazy) that said he deserves to act with others on his level… and then they list RHEA AND CORI. Cori is legit great but she’s no joe, and rhea is the worst in the cast.

Also sorry, s1 I can see Kit was stronger, but Joe was absolutely his equal s2

R549 If Kit looked like Nick he'd be a chunky, small eyed, waistless plain blob.

R552 it's a venn diagram of industry knowledge and filthy thirst. Sorry mate. If it helps I know I'm visible from a mile away.

R555 especially if you think about it, who really has that type of career anymore except the big stars from the 90s. most new actors are not limiting themselves like that they are going back and forth from different things like

[quote]I’ve said it elsewhere and I’ll say it again. I’d like to see Imogen experiment and come to the conclusion that she’s definitely straight. I think it’s just as important for straight people to realize it’s okay to experiment and come to the conclusion it’s not for you and to not feel weird for: 1 not liking it and 2 having tried it in the first place.

#StraightRep #StraightPride

Quick, someone say something thirsty, I don't want to click on the link an hyperfocus on bitches shitting on Joe for the rest of the day

R561 God, bring back the hot beach photos please.

R558 Oh the comment about how Joe's okay, but probably only because he's acting with Kit and Kit needs to act like Cori and Rhea next season while Charlie is gone (probably just want to write Joe off the show).

R558 sorry I’m still fixated on this comment. That subreddit may be more vile to joe than stan twt and that’s saying something

The way these bitches want to put on a wig and pretend to be Charlie while wishing for joes death is crazy

R562 thinking as always about joes perfect little ass and how easily Kit can bend him in half and fuck it

Redirect your hate to this flag.

R562 Here is Joe's nipple as an apology for posting the reddit link

R559 Fuck, that’s definitely me.

R562 Obviously easier said than done, but just remember that these people are earnestly arguing that Rhea is a good actress and their opinions are worthless because of that.

R561 I can't. They really would prefer that Nick figured out he was bisexual but ended up with Charlie - short for Charlotte

R567 Ill never forgive that fucking flag.

R562 honestly I’m also telling myself half the reason they’re shitting on joe so earnestly is they see him as competition in two ways. Firstly, he’s as strong an actor as Kit and because Kit is their special baby boy they want to fuck, he needs to be THE BEST and thus joe must be trash and any good acting he does is because Kit taught him. The reality being they are both almost unbelievably good for their age, experience, and the dialogue they’re given. Secondly they see him as competition for their weird self insert nick/Kit shit because he and Kit do have insane chemistry and they’re jealous

R569 that part. thinking rhea is a good actress makes every other opinion you have null and void

never seen the nipple pic, thank you for that

R571 I really never knew inanimate objects could be homophobic until I started following Joe and Kit. That fucking hat from the beach

R568 you're forgiven

R568 he is absolutely into getting his nipples sucked, no one can convince me otherwise.and literally who could resist

Sorry, but no other combination of actors on that show is pulling this off.

R572 They seem to hate Charlie in general too and probably think they should be Charlie and date Kit. One comment said that Charlie's too dependent on Nick and Nick should dump him, like Nick wasn't boohooing about how he doesn't know who he is without Charlie recently

R574 him covering up a view of joes perfect inner thighs and higher with a god damn fedora.

R577 Like they're real fucking people and not two characters written by a single person. They actually need help

R577 the way the plot of s2 was Charlie ignoring his own schoolwork, eating disorder, and self harm because Nick is agonizing over coming out to the local postman and delivery guy and because he can’t remember any equations and they still insist Charlie is the needy one is hilarious

R576 as per Reddit, a masterclass by Kit while joe is awkward and unfeeling and any ok moments he has are due to Kit lifting him

R575 Fucking love a dark nipple. Match his lips. There is one guy floating around other hater threads that thinks Joe is unattractive neck up but loves his body and his nipples. Always amuses me

R576 Really looking forward to seeing what they do next season. You could really see that the experience of doing The Trials and ACGG respectively elevated their acting and I expect more of the same after they've done Agatha and One of Us.

Time for a new DL consensus on sex preferences.

I have already detailed my thoughts that Joe and Kit would be perfect because kits love for how tiny joe is and for being scolded plus joes bossiness and love for being lifted means they could have 1/2 bossy bottom joe getting his ass worshipped and 1/2 Kit spanking him, throwing him around and railing him. Will add as I said above that literally no one can tell me Joe doesn’t love having his nipples played with. And he absolutely looks incredible giving head.

Will is such a dark horse. He could be vanilla or extremely kinky. For my own fun I’ll say the latter. And tobie seems down for anything in a fun open minded way.

Bash and his twink have sex to their own whiny songs

R581 hilarious but also look at that fucking face in the nipple pic. His body is insane but his face is perfect. Do not see how people find him ugly

R583 Whenever these scenarios of Joe and Kit together are presented on here my brains melts a little and I end up not being able to meaningfully contribute. They'd just be so fucking hot together. Have a picture.

R583 Bash has sex with Charlie and goes and tells his mom about it

R586 she is the mean girls mom irl and asks if they need numbing lube.

Forgot to add joe sits in the oddest positions sometimes so he is definitely flexible and can be bent in half easily

R583 I mean this is pretty spot on. Will is an absolute enigma and Tobie is that friend that sends you a message from an Uber to say he's left the club without telling you because he's going home with the guy he was dancing with for 10 minutes.

R588 tobie is the friend who when you discuss exploits goes “have you ever tried” and it could be literally anything from blindfolds to puppy play. Just seems down to try anything once

Kit & Joe have such great asses that i don’t picture them as strict tops or bottoms, they've got to be versatile at least or it would be such a waste. Like come on, they need to he worshiped, preferably with each other

R590 joe is absolutely a strict bottom, sorry. I think Kit is a vers top though, and absolutely would be down to get fucked. It’s just not going to be by joe. Doesn’t mean they can’t have a fantastic time

Size difference even before Kit grew a little taller I think and got more muscular. They’re so hot together

I'm sorry, this is from the subreddit we're trying to move past, but it's such a bonkers take that I can't help myself:

[quote]My hot take is that Yaz’s acting is honestly so good, her delivery makes her seem like a real fleshed out person, the worst person acting might be Kit

R593 the fantasy world in which joe comes off green and Kit Carries him and should act alongside Oscar winnignrhea, and in which Yaz acts better than Kit is truly magnificent. They should all die

R594 At this point I'm convinced they all watched an entirely different show.

R593 fucking hilarious. Yaz is at best fine.

R589 Tobie is the friend whose carrying around the poppers and travel lube if you're ever need to borrow on a night out

R586 texts in the family groupchat. Given his usual Texts I presume “🥺🍆🍑🤓” to which they all reply “❤️🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️🦕”

New thread. If the first 30 comments minimum aren’t pure filth about Kit fucking joes tight ass I hate you all